1 00:00:01,820 --> 00:00:04,590 Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? 2 00:00:05,070 --> 00:00:08,050 Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. 3 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,470 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:30,490 --> 00:00:32,629 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:32,670 --> 00:00:34,470 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:36,050 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:36,090 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 9 00:00:38,780 --> 00:00:41,379 Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,010 Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 11 00:00:44,050 --> 00:00:46,770 Speaker 1: we are talking about... the Christian metal scene as it 12 00:00:46,810 --> 00:00:49,229 Speaker 1: pertains to As I Lay Dying in this week's full 13 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:53,910 Speaker 1: episode on Tim Lambesis. Previewing our episode on Alice Cooper, 14 00:00:53,950 --> 00:00:56,530 Speaker 1: the one and only Alice Cooper here in the Halloween season. 15 00:00:56,610 --> 00:00:59,330 Speaker 1: As always, we're going to get into your emails, comments, DMs, 16 00:00:59,390 --> 00:01:01,950 Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is 17 00:01:01,970 --> 00:01:04,430 Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent 18 00:01:04,450 --> 00:01:06,929 Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history 19 00:01:06,950 --> 00:01:09,250 Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories. 20 00:01:09,550 --> 00:01:11,470 Speaker 1: You'll end up telling someone else. All right, this goes. 21 00:01:11,890 --> 00:01:24,530 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Alright guys, welcome into the after party. 22 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:27,170 Speaker 1: So we're talking about Tim Lambesis from As I Lay 23 00:01:27,230 --> 00:01:29,569 Speaker 1: Dying this week. Obviously this guy is full of shit. 24 00:01:30,209 --> 00:01:35,550 Speaker 1: Complete fraud. Frauds are the theme this week. Guy clearly 25 00:01:36,250 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: wasn't Christian, wasn't living up to the Christian and spiritual 26 00:01:42,860 --> 00:01:47,220 Speaker 1: and religious tenets and aesthetic of his band. And it 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,620 Speaker 1: was an act to help As I Lay Dying gain 28 00:01:50,660 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: popularity in the Christian community. metal scene. Now, this has 29 00:01:55,810 --> 00:01:58,890 Speaker 1: had me thinking. I just wrote the Jared Leto episode 30 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:01,410 Speaker 1: of Disgraceland. That comes out in a couple of weeks. 31 00:02:02,290 --> 00:02:05,510 Speaker 1: Prior to that, I wrote the Reggie Watts episode and 32 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:09,269 Speaker 1: we're producing that one now. And that comes out in 33 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks as well. And like with Tim 34 00:02:13,470 --> 00:02:16,620 Speaker 1: Lambesis from As I Lay Dying, as I'm putting together 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: these other stories, I'm thinking about frauds. And Reggie Watts 36 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,820 Speaker 1: was this dude who turns out wasn't who we thought 37 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:32,780 Speaker 1: he was. It doesn't mean that he killed his ex-girlfriend, 38 00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:38,670 Speaker 1: as the most extreme of his detractors would allege. But 39 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:48,430 Speaker 1: he clearly is not the cuddly, creative, psychonaut, harmless, intellectual 40 00:02:48,590 --> 00:02:51,950 Speaker 1: who he puts himself cross as. He's clearly something else. 41 00:02:51,970 --> 00:02:53,829 Speaker 1: And you're going to hear all about that in that episode. 42 00:02:53,850 --> 00:02:55,970 Speaker 1: And he's kind of phony and full of shit in 43 00:02:55,990 --> 00:02:59,250 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I believe. Jared Leto, on the 44 00:02:59,270 --> 00:03:01,230 Speaker 1: other hand, may just be the dude we always thought 45 00:03:01,250 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: he was. And kind of just like, I guess, being 46 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: that person out in the open to a degree. There's 47 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:12,500 Speaker 1: this thing too, which is really interesting with irony, where 48 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:15,180 Speaker 1: if you come at whatever the thing is that you're 49 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:18,570 Speaker 1: most afraid of being accused of with irony, And you 50 00:03:18,590 --> 00:03:20,050 Speaker 1: kind of make a joke of it or with humor, 51 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:22,190 Speaker 1: you kind of make a joke of it. It's hard 52 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:26,050 Speaker 1: then to be accused of that thing. And that's the 53 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:28,150 Speaker 1: whole Jared Leto thing with the cult. Yes, it's a 54 00:03:28,169 --> 00:03:31,290 Speaker 1: cult when referring to 30 Seconds to Mars and Camp 55 00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:34,980 Speaker 1: Mars and all that stuff. But anyways, the point is 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,820 Speaker 1: frauds are on the brain here in my sort of 57 00:03:38,820 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: creative world. This other thing I have on the brain 58 00:03:42,740 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: regarding Tim Lambesis and As I Lay Dying and Faith 59 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:48,500 Speaker 1: is I read this book. I've got it right here. 60 00:03:48,540 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: It's a great little book. It's written during COVID. It's 61 00:03:51,860 --> 00:03:56,740 Speaker 1: by Martin Scorsese with Antonio Spadaro. It's called Conversations on Faith, 62 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: apropos of Tim Lambesis in As I Lay Dying. And 63 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Scorsese says this thing in this book that really made 64 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:08,590 Speaker 1: me stand up and take note. He says that creative 65 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:16,790 Speaker 1: people create out of a desire to better understand world 66 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: they're living in. And that's so, so true. And I 67 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:26,820 Speaker 1: think about what we do here in Disgraceland and the 68 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:30,580 Speaker 1: stories that we tell. A perfect example, again, As I 69 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:33,100 Speaker 1: Lay Dying, Tim Lambesis, but more so the Christian metal scene. 70 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,180 Speaker 1: Zeth and I really wanted to understand this world. We 71 00:04:35,220 --> 00:04:37,810 Speaker 1: don't know the world. This story has been out there forever. 72 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:41,250 Speaker 1: We're not breaking any news. That's not what we do here. 73 00:04:42,430 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: But we wanted to understand it. I'm not like a 74 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,940 Speaker 1: huge Reggie Watts fan. Some of the folks who work 75 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,750 Speaker 1: at Double Elvis are. I'm not particularly interested in him 76 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:57,450 Speaker 1: as an artist. I kind of am. I'm more interested 77 00:04:57,570 --> 00:05:00,910 Speaker 1: in knowing what the hell happened. How this guy who 78 00:05:00,930 --> 00:05:05,300 Speaker 1: presented himself as one thing was clearly something else. And 79 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: the result is completely tragic. The death of his ex-girlfriend. 80 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,529 Speaker 1: It just– I really, really wanted to get to how 81 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:21,990 Speaker 1: that happened, maybe even why that happened. Same thing with 82 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:29,010 Speaker 1: Jared Leto. Artists create out of a desire to understand 83 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:35,089 Speaker 1: the world around them. Real artists, like Martin Scorsese. To 84 00:05:35,150 --> 00:05:38,610 Speaker 1: what extent Jared Leto creates to understand the world around him, 85 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:43,739 Speaker 1: I don't know. even after spending two weeks inside that story, 86 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,940 Speaker 1: putting that episode together for you guys, which again will 87 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,430 Speaker 1: be out in a couple of weeks, to what extent 88 00:05:47,460 --> 00:05:52,010 Speaker 1: Reggie Watts creates to better understand the world around him. 89 00:05:52,089 --> 00:05:55,589 Speaker 1: I have a better idea than I do with Jared Leto. 90 00:05:55,910 --> 00:06:01,890 Speaker 1: So much of what Jared Leto does, even artistically, strikes 91 00:06:01,970 --> 00:06:06,110 Speaker 1: me as phony. Specifically, as we're talking about music, we're 92 00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:08,750 Speaker 1: talking about 30 Seconds to Mars. We talk about his acting, 93 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:11,690 Speaker 1: which I think he's a better actor than he is 94 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:16,289 Speaker 1: a musician. It's hard for me to understand beyond his 95 00:06:16,370 --> 00:06:20,029 Speaker 1: own narcissism and his own sense of self and id 96 00:06:20,089 --> 00:06:23,510 Speaker 1: and ego and all of that, what exactly Jared Leto 97 00:06:23,589 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: is trying to figure out through the roles that he plays, 98 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: the majority of them. Perhaps as Rayon in Dallas Buyers Club, 99 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,940 Speaker 1: he was really trying to figure out what life was 100 00:06:36,060 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: like for somebody like Rayon, who was a particularly unique 101 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and original character to be portrayed specifically at that time 102 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:49,420 Speaker 1: when that film came out, especially, I should say, not specifically. 103 00:06:50,460 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: So these artists all fascinate me and their motivations fascinate 104 00:06:54,260 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: me as well, especially when I think about what we're 105 00:06:57,060 --> 00:06:59,140 Speaker 1: doing here and why we're doing it as we're thinking 106 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,870 Speaker 1: about what stories we're going to be telling in the 107 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:05,670 Speaker 1: new year. Artists create to better understand the world around them. 108 00:07:07,230 --> 00:07:09,590 Speaker 1: When it comes to faith, when it comes to Tim Lambesis, 109 00:07:09,730 --> 00:07:15,380 Speaker 1: it's particularly appalling when you're fraudulently leading these people along 110 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:21,060 Speaker 1: and having them just bullshitting your way through your art. 111 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: I find that to be particularly gross. At least the 112 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: damage that Reggie Watts is alleged to have brought. comes from, 113 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:35,140 Speaker 1: I feel like, a place of, I guess he's being 114 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: true to himself in some way. I mean, he is 115 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:44,490 Speaker 1: this sort of psychonaut, psychedelic ketamine advocate who has a 116 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:48,470 Speaker 1: handle on drugs or at least proclaims to have a 117 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:51,750 Speaker 1: handle on drugs in a way that guide him and 118 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:56,390 Speaker 1: help him and really have designed his worldview. Now, is 119 00:07:56,430 --> 00:08:00,190 Speaker 1: there collateral damage there? Sure. But I do think to 120 00:08:00,250 --> 00:08:04,390 Speaker 1: some extent, Reggie Watts, unlike Tim Lambesis, is creating to 121 00:08:04,410 --> 00:08:08,550 Speaker 1: better understand the world around him. And that's something, even 122 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:10,630 Speaker 1: if the guy is a creep. But as I got 123 00:08:10,670 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: into this book I've mentioned before, and I know I'm 124 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: all over the place here, but I'm going to make 125 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,500 Speaker 1: this point. Thanks for staying with me. This is Martin 126 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,260 Speaker 1: Scorsese with Father Antonio Spadaro, Conversations on Faithbook, which I 127 00:08:22,420 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: really highly recommend. It's very short. And there's a little 128 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,250 Speaker 1: Scorsese script at the end, an unreleased film script, at 129 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:32,860 Speaker 1: the end of this book, which is great. In this book, 130 00:08:32,890 --> 00:08:34,750 Speaker 1: as I was reading it, I started to think about 131 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Scorsese in relation to Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying. 132 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,380 Speaker 1: And I've listened to As I Lay Dying, and none 133 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: of it strikes me as particularly compelling. Obviously, Martin Scorsese 134 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,620 Speaker 1: is a horse of a completely different color. And when 135 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:56,179 Speaker 1: I look at something like The Last Temptation of Christ, 136 00:08:57,330 --> 00:09:01,690 Speaker 1: a movie which quite literally almost killed Martin Scorsese, and 137 00:09:01,730 --> 00:09:04,990 Speaker 1: where he's trying to really say something. He's really trying 138 00:09:05,050 --> 00:09:09,069 Speaker 1: to look at the duality, not only of man, but 139 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: specifically of Jesus Christ, of this consubstantial God slash human, 140 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: this entity that has to deal with both the failings 141 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:28,910 Speaker 1: of being a man And the power of being a 142 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:33,689 Speaker 1: god and how to live as both those things, that duality, 143 00:09:33,730 --> 00:09:35,030 Speaker 1: the good and the bad, the good and the evil. 144 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:38,190 Speaker 1: And it's Scorsese trying to figure out himself. I mean, 145 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:41,469 Speaker 1: that's exactly what this is, how he can be a 146 00:09:41,510 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: great artist and a terrible husband or whatever. I'm putting 147 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,620 Speaker 1: words into his mouth, but I'm sure this is the 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,010 Speaker 1: type of thing that's going on in his head. And 149 00:09:49,050 --> 00:09:51,070 Speaker 1: he started to look at musicians from history. Somebody we're 150 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: going to be releasing an episode on, I believe, next week, 151 00:09:53,640 --> 00:10:00,100 Speaker 1: Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper. all this dark, evil imagery, Christian. 152 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:04,660 Speaker 1: You look at Slayer. One of the dudes in Slayer 153 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:06,420 Speaker 1: is Catholic. I can't remember which one. You look at 154 00:10:06,460 --> 00:10:12,620 Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Christian. And Black Sabbath's music, heavy 155 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,550 Speaker 1: and dark, These themes, I mean, just the name, Black Sabbath. 156 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:21,369 Speaker 1: They had literal Satanists following them around on tour in 157 00:10:21,390 --> 00:10:24,500 Speaker 1: the 70s trying to recruit them. And what you have 158 00:10:24,530 --> 00:10:27,620 Speaker 1: in the music is Ozzy Osbourne trying to figure out 159 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: his own faith, which was really strong and really significant 160 00:10:33,820 --> 00:10:37,239 Speaker 1: and really sincere and not what you would think. And 161 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:41,699 Speaker 1: that contrast is fascinating to me, truly is. Somebody like 162 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:46,540 Speaker 1: Tim Lambesis, though, he bores me because he's just, once 163 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,180 Speaker 1: the veil is lifted, there's not much there besides the fraud. 164 00:10:52,780 --> 00:10:55,140 Speaker 1: And it's really gross, and it's really disgusting, and I 165 00:10:55,179 --> 00:10:58,900 Speaker 1: feel bad for his fans. I truly do. I'm not 166 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,189 Speaker 1: sure what I learned about myself in the telling of 167 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:04,410 Speaker 1: this story. Zeth wrote it, so he's a little more 168 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:07,090 Speaker 1: connected to it via the writing than I am via 169 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:10,540 Speaker 1: the production. But at least it got me thinking more 170 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: deeply about the sincerity that an artist should aspire to, 171 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: not just for their audience, but for themselves, to help 172 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: them better figure out the world, help them better figure 173 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: out how to exist in this world, how to better 174 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:30,020 Speaker 1: figure out how to defend against the trauma that this 175 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: world can bring, and how to be a better person 176 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: for your fellow humans. Walk through this world with a 177 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: better understanding, not just of yourself, but of other people. 178 00:11:41,460 --> 00:11:44,350 Speaker 1: And that condition, that human condition there at the core 179 00:11:44,390 --> 00:11:47,550 Speaker 1: of all this storytelling, for me, endlessly compelling. Here we 180 00:11:47,570 --> 00:11:52,230 Speaker 1: are nine years in. Nine years in almost. We're eight. 181 00:11:52,270 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: We'll be nine. I'm saying nine because we're currently figuring 182 00:11:54,940 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: out the episodes that we're going to be telling next year. 183 00:11:58,660 --> 00:12:00,700 Speaker 1: Zeth and I just got into a great conversation. You're 184 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,170 Speaker 1: going to hear it later. on fraudsters in music history, 185 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: from music history. You can hear this story later if 186 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: you become an All Access member of Disgraceland, or if 187 00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:12,339 Speaker 1: you already are, excuse me, in the exclusive section of 188 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: this after party. And it unlocked for us some great 189 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,710 Speaker 1: stories that we're probably going to get into and tell 190 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,970 Speaker 1: next year. Stories that I wasn't aware of, or that 191 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:23,429 Speaker 1: I knew a little bit about, but not a lot 192 00:12:23,470 --> 00:12:25,250 Speaker 1: of it about. Now I know more about it, and 193 00:12:25,270 --> 00:12:27,270 Speaker 1: I'm excited to dive in and bring them to you. 194 00:12:27,490 --> 00:12:29,990 Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All 195 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:35,510 Speaker 1: Access member to unlock this exclusive content plus ad-free content, 196 00:12:36,809 --> 00:12:40,590 Speaker 1: and you'll be able to hear this conversation. Also, Zeth, 197 00:12:40,750 --> 00:12:42,490 Speaker 1: if you're listening, and I know you are, I meant 198 00:12:42,530 --> 00:12:44,310 Speaker 1: to mention this when we were talking, but we have 199 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:47,010 Speaker 1: yet to set a date for all of you guys 200 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:50,859 Speaker 1: to get in on a Zoom and go through, kick 201 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:55,010 Speaker 1: around some ideas. four episodes that we're going to program 202 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:57,450 Speaker 1: for next year. We've got to do that soon. We've 203 00:12:57,470 --> 00:12:58,630 Speaker 1: got to come up with a date. We'll be doing 204 00:12:58,670 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: that in the coming days slash week. And we'll talk 205 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: about it first on Patreon, but we'll also be talking 206 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: about it here in the after party. Appreciate all of 207 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: you guys. 208 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: All right. 209 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:11,570 Speaker 1: As I lay dying in the feed this week, that's 210 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:14,150 Speaker 1: our latest full episode of Disgraceland. If you haven't heard 211 00:13:14,170 --> 00:13:15,670 Speaker 1: it and you want a little taste, here you go. 212 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:20,370 Speaker 1: Tim Lambesis, he walked into a Barnes and Noble in Oceanside, California. 213 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: And he found this dude named Red. He'd never seen 214 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: Red before. Red was a fixer. Red was a problem solver. 215 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: Red was the guy who did the dirty work and 216 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:32,500 Speaker 1: got paid for doing the dirty work. Tim Lambesis paid 217 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: Red $ 1, 000 in cash. This $ 1, 000 was a down payment 218 00:13:37,740 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: for Tim Lambesis to get rid of his wife. He 219 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: wanted Red to kill his wife. Tim Lambesis, singer of 220 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:49,070 Speaker 1: Christian metal band As I Lay Dying. When Tim was 221 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,870 Speaker 1: speaking with Red, he was careful. He didn't use words 222 00:13:51,890 --> 00:13:54,630 Speaker 1: that would incriminate him, at least for the beginning of 223 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:57,620 Speaker 1: the conversation. At the end of the conversation, he couldn't 224 00:13:57,700 --> 00:14:00,020 Speaker 1: help himself. He turned to Red and he said, hey, 225 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,939 Speaker 1: just to clarify, just so you know, I want her dead. 226 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: That was on May 7th, 2013. And that was the 227 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,030 Speaker 1: day that Tim Lambesis discovered that the man that he 228 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:14,630 Speaker 1: knew as Red was actually an undercover San Diego County 229 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:15,390 Speaker 1: Sheriff's deputy. 230 00:14:16,010 --> 00:14:16,210 Speaker 3: So. 231 00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:18,420 Speaker 1: That's a little bit of the As I Lay Dying 232 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:20,150 Speaker 1: story for you. If you want to know more about 233 00:14:20,170 --> 00:14:23,790 Speaker 1: the Christian metalcore scene, then this episode on As I 234 00:14:24,010 --> 00:14:26,430 Speaker 1: Lay Dying will have your jaw on the floor. That's 235 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:29,610 Speaker 1: top of your feed right now. Coming up next in 236 00:14:29,650 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: your feed, right after this episode, in our Rewind episode 237 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:36,660 Speaker 1: this Sunday, is our story on Michael Alec and the 238 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Club Kids from the 1990s. Now in 1996, Michael Alec, 239 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,070 Speaker 1: quote unquote, king of the Club Kids, told anyone who 240 00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:48,290 Speaker 1: would listen, that he killed his friend and nobody believed him, 241 00:14:48,350 --> 00:14:50,650 Speaker 1: despite what Michael was saying. Michael's parties, they were the 242 00:14:50,670 --> 00:14:55,170 Speaker 1: most decadent in Manhattan, including one specific party called Blood Feast, 243 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:58,650 Speaker 1: where Michael showed up covered in someone else's blood. So 244 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,100 Speaker 1: when he said he killed his drug dealer and friend, 245 00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: Angel Melendez, and stuffed him in a box, everybody figured 246 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: that Michael was just putting him on, that it was 247 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: another bit. Everybody except Village Voice columnist Michael Musto. Musto? Musto. Musto. 248 00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:17,530 Speaker 1: You say Musto, I say Musto. Michael Musto knew where 249 00:15:17,570 --> 00:15:20,630 Speaker 1: Michael Alec lived on the corner of narcissism and drugged 250 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:23,450 Speaker 1: out madness. So Michael Musto took a chance and he 251 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:26,990 Speaker 1: published a blind item on this story. Page six picked 252 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:30,070 Speaker 1: that item up and suddenly Michael Alec was having to 253 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:33,450 Speaker 1: defend the fact that he was alleged to have killed 254 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:37,620 Speaker 1: Angel Melendez. Michael Alex called it a prank. detectives closed 255 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,180 Speaker 1: in on Michael Alec and found him holed up in 256 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: a New Jersey hotel trying to escape justice. Alec pleaded 257 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,570 Speaker 1: guilty to manslaughter, served 16 years, eventually called me on 258 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:51,290 Speaker 1: the telephone to tell me how upset he was at 259 00:15:51,370 --> 00:15:54,890 Speaker 1: me for calling him a murderer when, in fact, he 260 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:58,050 Speaker 1: was just somebody who was guilty of manslaughter. If you 261 00:15:58,070 --> 00:16:00,239 Speaker 1: want to know more about Michael Alec's infamous days on 262 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: the New York City club scene, be sure to check 263 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: out this Rewind episode of the Disgraceland podcast. That's coming 264 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,630 Speaker 1: up next, right after this after party. And then next week, 265 00:16:09,650 --> 00:16:12,950 Speaker 1: we've got Alice Cooper. Listen, when you're taking in this 266 00:16:13,070 --> 00:16:18,330 Speaker 1: Alice Cooper episode, be thinking about second acts in rock 267 00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: and roll. And let us know what's your favorite comeback 268 00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:26,100 Speaker 1: album from an artist, their second act album that kind 269 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,540 Speaker 1: of brings them, puts them back on the map. Album, song, 270 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:33,390 Speaker 1: can be anything. Favorite second acts in rock and roll, 271 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:37,150 Speaker 1: give us a call, 617-906-6638 with your voicemail and text, 272 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:39,510 Speaker 1: and you might hear it on next week's After Party. 273 00:16:39,530 --> 00:16:42,930 Speaker 1: All right, discos, excited for next week, blasting out of 274 00:16:42,950 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: this Christian metal scene into the world of shock rock 275 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:48,619 Speaker 1: with the screaming Jay Hawkins descendant, Alice Cooper, and I 276 00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:52,620 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. So 617-906-6638, get at me, 277 00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:55,700 Speaker 1: voicemail and text. I'll be back right after this with 278 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: your DMs, text messages, phone calls, and more. All right, guys, 279 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: welcome back. We're going to get to your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, 280 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:18,139 Speaker 1: and all of that in just a bit. But I 281 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: got to mention that Dwayne Keefe, Keefe D. Davis was 282 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,939 Speaker 1: sentenced to 40 years to life in prison for Tupac 283 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:31,810 Speaker 1: Shakur's murder. And I don't know, it still feels like 284 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:36,570 Speaker 1: the story is not closed. Sentenced, New York Post says, 285 00:17:36,609 --> 00:17:42,290 Speaker 1: sentenced for masterminding Tupac's murder. Keefe D. Davis sentenced on Tuesday. 286 00:17:42,790 --> 00:17:48,190 Speaker 1: Sentencing came decades after Tupac's September 1996 murder in Las Vegas. 287 00:17:48,190 --> 00:17:53,550 Speaker 1: 40 years, Davis will most certainly die in prison. But again, 288 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:57,780 Speaker 1: I don't know. This just does not feel, it doesn't 289 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,619 Speaker 1: feel done. And I can't tell if that's because of 290 00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: the facts or just because psychologically, I can't let go 291 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,230 Speaker 1: of this story anymore. I feel like a lot of 292 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: you don't want to let go of this story as well. 293 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: This is one of the mega iconic stories from music 294 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,260 Speaker 1: history that is just, it's hard to put down. It's 295 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:15,300 Speaker 1: hard to slam shut. And I don't think any of 296 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,460 Speaker 1: us are going to do it despite this sentencing. It's 297 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: kind of like the Kurt Cobain story. People just don't 298 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:24,750 Speaker 1: want to put it down. People like Curtis in the 513. Hey, Jake, this. 299 00:18:25,670 --> 00:18:28,409 Speaker 2: Is Curtis from 513. I ain't called in in a 300 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:32,090 Speaker 2: long time, but I'm listening to your after party and 301 00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: you asked about why people don't hate Sid Vicious as 302 00:18:37,380 --> 00:18:42,500 Speaker 2: much as they hate Courtney Love. Well, Sid Vicious' era, 303 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: nobody gave a shit about Sid Vicious except for punk 304 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,590 Speaker 2: rock people and maybe some other people on the fringes. 305 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:57,830 Speaker 2: And so nobody cared, basically. With Kurt Cobain's death and 306 00:18:59,010 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: Courtney being his wife, The people needed somebody to blame 307 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:08,340 Speaker 2: because he left a void. That's it, man. Take it easy. 308 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,379 Speaker 1: Yeah, Curtis, he did. Kurt Cobain absolutely did 100% leave 309 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: a void, as did Tupac. And you're right. You're right 310 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,100 Speaker 1: about Sid Vicious. Sid Vicious looms large in history. But 311 00:19:20,140 --> 00:19:24,220 Speaker 1: in the moment, he was fringe. He really was. The 312 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:29,550 Speaker 1: Sex Pistols were nowhere near as big as Nirvana or Tupac. 313 00:19:30,990 --> 00:19:32,909 Speaker 1: And again, I think the Kurt Cobain story, like the 314 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:35,380 Speaker 1: Tupac Shakur story, is one where people just do not 315 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: want to give it up. They don't want it to end. 316 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,260 Speaker 1: What does that say about us if that story is finished? 317 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,030 Speaker 1: Same subject. Let's go to the 903. Hey, guys. 318 00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:49,230 Speaker 3: Adam from Texas and Maryland now. And I'm just calling 319 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:51,500 Speaker 3: for a response. to the Courtney Love thing and then 320 00:19:51,540 --> 00:19:54,020 Speaker 3: the question of the week. But the Courtney Love thing 321 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:57,140 Speaker 3: is this basic trauma, a little bit of sexism, but 322 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 3: trauma and, you know, people just hate her and all 323 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,250 Speaker 3: she is. And if they can get a foothold in 324 00:20:03,290 --> 00:20:05,670 Speaker 3: with any way to explain the way that Kurt died 325 00:20:05,710 --> 00:20:08,210 Speaker 3: and she's still alive, that's basically my, you know, what 326 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:11,790 Speaker 3: I think of that. And the CIA just because she 327 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:14,510 Speaker 3: hung out with the Deadheads is insane. Like I said, 328 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:17,070 Speaker 3: Bill Walton hung out with the Grateful Dead, too. Does 329 00:20:17,109 --> 00:20:19,409 Speaker 3: that mean he is a CIA agent, too? Bill Walton, 330 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: basketball player? I don't think so. Anyway, love you guys. 331 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: Love the show. Rock and roll. 332 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,980 Speaker 1: Bye. You're absolutely right. Bill Walton, the 86 Celtics were 333 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:33,740 Speaker 1: a PSYOP. It's a CIA plant. No, I'm kidding. But 334 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,649 Speaker 1: you did hit on something here, Adam. It's just where 335 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:41,570 Speaker 1: you have one beloved... artist in Kurt Cobain and one 336 00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:46,490 Speaker 1: despised artist in Courtney Love. And I forget how you 337 00:20:46,510 --> 00:20:48,730 Speaker 1: put it there, Adam, but you said something like they 338 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:52,180 Speaker 1: can't understand how one is alive and the other is not. 339 00:20:53,180 --> 00:20:56,100 Speaker 1: And I think that goes to the heart of what 340 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: we're discussing here. All right, let's go check in here 341 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: with the 915. Hey, Jake, this is Vince from the 915. 342 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: I've been a huge fan of the podcast and Since 343 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: the beginning when you were a guest promoting it on 344 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,530 Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist. That was the beginning. Damn, Vince. That 345 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:12,889 Speaker 1: was a long time ago. As for the question of 346 00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:17,550 Speaker 1: the week, what song inspires you to confront slash contemplate 347 00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:20,740 Speaker 1: your faith? The song that immediately popped into my mind 348 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: is Doubting Thomas by the alt bluegrass band Nickel Creek 349 00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:28,670 Speaker 1: off their album Why Should the Fire Die? I've had 350 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:31,149 Speaker 1: issues with my faith throughout my adulthood, and the lyrics 351 00:21:31,210 --> 00:21:33,970 Speaker 1: perfectly sum up those struggles. I'm a doubting Thomas. I 352 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:36,450 Speaker 1: took a promise, but I don't know what's safe. Oh, 353 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:39,170 Speaker 1: me of little faith. Anyway, I love the show, Rockarola. 354 00:21:39,930 --> 00:21:42,820 Speaker 1: Vince from the 915, the story of doubting Thomas from 355 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,619 Speaker 1: the Bible, a good one indeed. And, you know, I 356 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,580 Speaker 1: got this book in front of me that I was 357 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: talking about earlier, the Scorsese one. And he says something, another, 358 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:54,459 Speaker 1: he says a lot in here, obviously, that I've remembered. 359 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: But another thing he says is, connected to what you're 360 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: talking about here. Another thing he says is that faith, 361 00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing, so forgive me. He says that faith 362 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:09,530 Speaker 1: is something that should be contemplated and confronted. Contemplated and confronted. 363 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:12,609 Speaker 1: And that's so true. I think oftentimes people think that 364 00:22:12,670 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: faith is just this really hard line in the sand. 365 00:22:17,340 --> 00:22:21,899 Speaker 1: I believe X and that's it. And anybody I know 366 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,270 Speaker 1: who lives a life of faith, including priests that I know, 367 00:22:26,369 --> 00:22:29,590 Speaker 1: Catholic priests that I know, they all have their own 368 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:32,650 Speaker 1: questions and they all have their own ways of confronting 369 00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:36,010 Speaker 1: and contemplating their faith. And the story of Doubting Thomas 370 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:38,190 Speaker 1: is a good one. I don't know the Nickel Creek song, 371 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:40,190 Speaker 1: but I'm going to check that out. Appreciate you, Vince. 372 00:22:40,210 --> 00:22:43,060 Speaker 1: Appreciate you listening since way back. I remember that interview. 373 00:22:43,210 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: I remember that interview with the Daily Zeitgeist. Saw Jack recently, actually. 374 00:22:47,530 --> 00:22:51,890 Speaker 1: Good dude. Anyhow, let's go on. Here we go. 781 375 00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: gets at us and says, hey, I was into Striper too, 376 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: so you're not the only one. Just wanted to let 377 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: you know that real quick. Thank you. Also, I'm so 378 00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: happy that you reconsidered Eminem and are now a fan 379 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,109 Speaker 1: because I love Eminem and I've always loved him. And 380 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,689 Speaker 1: I was so disappointed when you said that he did 381 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:08,430 Speaker 1: not make great music. However, I did not send hate 382 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:10,850 Speaker 1: mail and I never would. Love you. Love the podcast. 383 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:13,990 Speaker 1: Always Kel from the 781. Appreciate you, Kel. It's okay 384 00:23:14,030 --> 00:23:16,260 Speaker 1: if we disagree on some music, though. here and there. 385 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:17,619 Speaker 1: We're not all going to love the same thing. And 386 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: oftentimes the music I don't love, I come back to it. 387 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,780 Speaker 1: There's some music that I know is great and I 388 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,050 Speaker 1: just can't get with it. And then there's music that 389 00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:30,010 Speaker 1: I just cannot stand. 30 Seconds to Mars is part 390 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:32,790 Speaker 1: of that. I've never liked that band. I don't care. 391 00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:34,889 Speaker 1: I don't care what Jared Leto may have done or 392 00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:36,949 Speaker 1: not done. It has nothing to do with my opinion 393 00:23:36,990 --> 00:23:40,210 Speaker 1: of that band. I disliked the band so immensely that 394 00:23:40,410 --> 00:23:42,510 Speaker 1: I didn't even really talk about my dislike of the 395 00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:44,490 Speaker 1: band in the episode that I wrote because it just 396 00:23:44,530 --> 00:23:47,740 Speaker 1: seemed too easy And I didn't really feel like I 397 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:50,899 Speaker 1: had anything interesting to say critically about them because I 398 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: don't care about them. You know what I mean? It's 399 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: like there's such a nothing burger to me musically. The 400 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,330 Speaker 1: guy has no fucking roots. For a guy who supposedly 401 00:23:59,369 --> 00:24:02,710 Speaker 1: was raised in the circus or whatever the fuck he says, 402 00:24:03,670 --> 00:24:05,910 Speaker 1: you know, Bob Dylan said he was raised in the circus. 403 00:24:06,730 --> 00:24:09,689 Speaker 1: That guy's got roots. Jared Leto as a musician has 404 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:12,140 Speaker 1: no roots. As an actor, on the other hand, well, 405 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,690 Speaker 1: that's a whole other story. Kate in the 270 says, hey, 406 00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:17,310 Speaker 1: when you talk about the Christian music scene and what 407 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: it's really like behind the scenes, well, I grew up 408 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,900 Speaker 1: going to the New Song Music Festival held at Camp 409 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: Lucone every summer in Kentucky. Back when I was going, 410 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,780 Speaker 1: it was super cheap. Hey, it was the 80s and 411 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: early 90s. And you could actually have time to speak 412 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,820 Speaker 1: to different bands. And I'm talking bands like Petra, Striper, Newsboys, 413 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: DC Talk, and so on. I've met them, talked to them, 414 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: stood next to them in the crowds, watching the other 415 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,890 Speaker 1: bands play. As I Lay Dying is not an anomaly. 416 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: From the time I started going to New Song as 417 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,859 Speaker 1: a middle school-aged girl, we would tell each other who 418 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,300 Speaker 1: to avoid. It's like how those of us who were 419 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,290 Speaker 1: Catholic would tell each other which priest to avoid. I 420 00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:55,030 Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about. Growing up, there was 421 00:24:55,090 --> 00:24:56,350 Speaker 1: always that one. 422 00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:57,130 Speaker 3: You knew. 423 00:24:57,210 --> 00:24:58,869 Speaker 1: You just fucking knew. You didn't even really have to 424 00:24:58,990 --> 00:25:02,609 Speaker 1: say anything. You just knew. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, 425 00:25:02,670 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: she goes on to say here, Kate goes on to say, 426 00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: we knew who was the real deal. The dudes from 427 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,609 Speaker 1: Petra and Striper were okay. And who is not? Everyone 428 00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:12,830 Speaker 1: knew to avoid the hell out of the newsboys. And 429 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:15,570 Speaker 1: if you've been following the controversy surrounding their former lead singer, 430 00:25:15,609 --> 00:25:19,449 Speaker 1: Michael Tate, you'll understand why. Even among women in CCM, 431 00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:22,470 Speaker 1: contemporary Christian music. When Amy Grant had an album cover 432 00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: back in the 80s, where she had two buttons of 433 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,619 Speaker 1: her blouse unbuttoned, and you could see her throat, Sandy 434 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: Patty Alba called her a whore, which is rich coming 435 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:33,660 Speaker 1: from Sandy Patty, who was banging her security guard right. 436 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,670 Speaker 1: We're going deep into it. I love it. So Tim 437 00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:41,050 Speaker 1: Lambesis may be more salacious and evil and murderous, but 438 00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:43,970 Speaker 1: he's nothing new. And it's just ick. And the closer 439 00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:45,890 Speaker 1: you live to Nashville, like I do, and the more 440 00:25:45,910 --> 00:25:48,710 Speaker 1: you see of this, CCM is based like country out 441 00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:51,459 Speaker 1: of Nashville. Fun fact. The more you realize the industry 442 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,500 Speaker 1: is the industry. Rock a roll of babes. Kate, appreciate 443 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,979 Speaker 1: you and the 270. My wife lived in Nashville, went 444 00:25:57,020 --> 00:26:00,459 Speaker 1: to Belmont University. She has her fair share of stories 445 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: here with some of the folks you're mentioning even. So 446 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: appreciate the text there, Kate. 303 texts in, hey, in 447 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: the As I Lay Dying episode, you referred to Razzle 448 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,940 Speaker 1: from Hanoi Rocks as Dazzle. That was, I'm guessing I 449 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,850 Speaker 1: didn't pronounce that incorrectly and I actually got tied up there. 450 00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:22,990 Speaker 1: My bad. And I apologize. I'm well aware of Razzle. 451 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:24,850 Speaker 1: And if you want more on Razzle, you can get 452 00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:27,410 Speaker 1: him in the Motley Crue episode of Disgraceland. Going back 453 00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:30,709 Speaker 1: to season two, I believe. Still haven't heard from any 454 00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:32,859 Speaker 1: of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' children. If you're out there, get 455 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,629 Speaker 1: in touch. Would love to talk to you. We typically 456 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:38,070 Speaker 1: hear from kids of rock stars that we cover, some 457 00:26:38,109 --> 00:26:41,169 Speaker 1: of them anyways. I'd love to hear. I'd love to 458 00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: talk to one of Screamin' J's kids. Hit us up, 617-906-6638, 459 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:50,659 Speaker 1: voicemail and text. Want to know how you spent that dollar? 460 00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:55,189 Speaker 1: All right, guys, 617-906, voicemail and text. Get at us 461 00:26:55,950 --> 00:26:59,189 Speaker 1: with your thoughts on next week's new subject, our new 462 00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:02,730 Speaker 1: story on Alice Cooper. Question of the week involves greatest 463 00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:05,540 Speaker 1: second acts in rock and roll. Is it Alice Cooper? 464 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:10,660 Speaker 1: Who is it? Who came back from the brink? 617-906-6638. 465 00:27:10,859 --> 00:27:16,660 Speaker 1: Voicemail and text DMs at disgracelandpod. Email me disgracelandpod at gmail.com. 466 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of emails, we'll be back right after this with 467 00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:34,050 Speaker 1: your emails. All right, guys, we're back. Thanks for joining 468 00:27:34,109 --> 00:27:37,909 Speaker 1: us in this after party. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. You want 469 00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:39,970 Speaker 1: to hit us up, talk about anything under the sun, 470 00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:43,730 Speaker 1: music history, true crime related. This email comes from Brandon 471 00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:45,970 Speaker 1: Boyd who writes, Hey, dear Jake Brennan, my name is 472 00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:50,270 Speaker 1: Brandon Boyd and I'm a big fan writing from Burlington, Kansas. 473 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:53,340 Speaker 1: Your Disgraceland episode on Blondie's Debbie Harry in her near 474 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: miss with Ted Bundy is a masterclass in music, true 475 00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:58,470 Speaker 1: crime storytelling. I was wondering if you'd be willing to 476 00:27:58,530 --> 00:28:01,429 Speaker 1: send me, oh, yo, Brandon, you know what, dude? Not 477 00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:04,260 Speaker 1: going to read your address here. Appreciate the kind words. 478 00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:09,780 Speaker 1: I'm happy you wrote us this episode. I can't take 479 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,180 Speaker 1: credit for it, though. It was written by Mr. Zeth Lundy. Dr. 480 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:15,530 Speaker 1: Lundy crushed it. Matt, Sean, Ryan, the team here on 481 00:28:15,550 --> 00:28:19,830 Speaker 1: the music side nailed the mix. All praise goes to 482 00:28:19,869 --> 00:28:23,230 Speaker 1: the team. Brandon, appreciate you writing in, man. Thank you. 483 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: All right, this is GracelandPod at gmail.com. If you guys 484 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:27,619 Speaker 1: want to get at us about anything, I've got to 485 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: address my own friend, John Strymish, who hit us up 486 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram. John was upset that we didn't mention John 487 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:36,070 Speaker 1: Lurie when we were talking about, we were having our 488 00:28:36,109 --> 00:28:39,890 Speaker 1: conversation about great musicians who have become actors. John Lurie, 489 00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:43,450 Speaker 1: you might know him from some of the Jim Jarmusch movies. 490 00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:46,850 Speaker 1: Maybe you know him from the last episode of Anthony Bourdain. 491 00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:49,060 Speaker 1: And maybe this is all sounding familiar to you because 492 00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: we just talked about John Lurie, John Strymish, but I 493 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,729 Speaker 1: like any opportunity to talk about John Lurie. Thus, my 494 00:28:56,770 --> 00:28:59,310 Speaker 1: commentary here. Plus, John Stravich, I hope you're doing well, 495 00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:01,850 Speaker 1: my friend. Thanks for writing. Appreciate you. At DisgracelandPod on 496 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:03,790 Speaker 1: the socials. You guys want to get at us about anything, 497 00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: that's one way to do it. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, 498 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,700 Speaker 1: that's another way to do it. DisgracelandPod at gmail.com via email. 499 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: Halloween's here. That means I got a zombie movie to 500 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,219 Speaker 1: watch with my friend Zeth Lundy this month for this film. 501 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,209 Speaker 1: Should be played loud. We're going to be doing Sean 502 00:29:23,290 --> 00:29:26,230 Speaker 1: of the Dead. That's the next one. Gross Point Blank 503 00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: was the last This Film Should Be Played Loud episode 504 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: that we taped. That's available for you to listen to 505 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,270 Speaker 1: right now. Excuse me, watch. That's our video podcast. Listen to. 506 00:29:35,290 --> 00:29:38,950 Speaker 1: What am I talking about? Disgracelandpod.com to sign up to 507 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:41,610 Speaker 1: become an all-access member. Grab this film should be played 508 00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:44,890 Speaker 1: loud episodes. You watch all of those. Do the right thing. 509 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:48,820 Speaker 1: Good fellas. High fidelity. If you want more of a 510 00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: movie conversation, you can get that for free over in 511 00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:53,980 Speaker 1: the Hollywoodland feed with Zeth Lundy and myself. I'm giving 512 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:59,180 Speaker 1: you my Hollywood inspired music recommendations every week. Subscribe to 513 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,490 Speaker 1: Hollywoodland wherever you get your podcasts. As promised, Zeth Lundy 514 00:30:04,510 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: and I, coming up right now, talk about the biggest 515 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: fraudsters in music history. All right, we'll be back after this. 516 00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:27,530 Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back. We're close to that 517 00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:31,490 Speaker 1: 300 episode number that's coming up in the next couple months. 518 00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:36,260 Speaker 1: I almost said weeks. But hey, we're around like number 519 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: 290 or something like that. So lots of, lots of 520 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: content is the point. You got a favorite artist, you 521 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:45,709 Speaker 1: want to hear a story about them from Disgraceland. Chances 522 00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:48,370 Speaker 1: are we've told it and it's in the archive or 523 00:30:48,390 --> 00:30:51,510 Speaker 1: we're going to tell it. Hit me up at disgracelandpod 524 00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:57,490 Speaker 1: on the social 617-906-6638, voicemail and text disgracelandpod at gmail.com. 525 00:30:57,550 --> 00:31:00,370 Speaker 1: If you need guidance in finding your way through our 526 00:31:00,450 --> 00:31:04,430 Speaker 1: massive archive, I need guidance finding my way to lunch. 527 00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:06,670 Speaker 1: So I got to get out of here. Let's recap. 528 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:07,010 Speaker 2: All right. 529 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:09,470 Speaker 1: Number one, this week, our new episode is available for you. 530 00:31:09,490 --> 00:31:11,230 Speaker 1: That's on As I Lay Dying. Number two, in the 531 00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode on Michael Alec 532 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:17,180 Speaker 1: is coming your way. Next week, new episode on Alice Cooper. 533 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: Number four is that's going to give you those Hollywood 534 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,380 Speaker 1: and crime vibes in the Hollywood land feed. So make 535 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,300 Speaker 1: sure you're subscribed. I'm going to give you my music 536 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:25,820 Speaker 1: wrecks and the rap party that happens every week. Number five, 537 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:28,190 Speaker 1: this film should be played loud. Our video podcast episode 538 00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:31,390 Speaker 1: on gross point blank is available right now. Next, we 539 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:34,410 Speaker 1: are filming Sean of the dead. That's on October 28th. Okay. 540 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:36,510 Speaker 1: Go to disgrace and pod.com to sign up, become an 541 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:40,290 Speaker 1: all access member. unlock exclusive content just like this, along 542 00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: with ad-free listening. Number 6-617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging 543 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, 544 00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:51,070 Speaker 1: keep texting. with your answers to this week's question of 545 00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:53,229 Speaker 1: the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. 546 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:55,750 Speaker 1: Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's 547 00:31:55,810 --> 00:31:57,850 Speaker 1: a community, a community of the obsessed, and no one 548 00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:00,250 Speaker 1: cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime 549 00:32:00,290 --> 00:32:02,270 Speaker 1: that ties them all together like you do. And well, 550 00:32:02,610 --> 00:32:05,990 Speaker 1: that's a disgrace. All right, back on May 7th, 2013, 551 00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:09,170 Speaker 1: as I lay dying frontman Tim Lambesis walked into a 552 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: Barnes & Noble to talk to a hitman, a supposed hitman, 553 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: named Red, and this is what America was listening to 554 00:32:14,060 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: on that day according to the Billboard charts. Number one, 555 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,950 Speaker 1: just give me a reason. Pink. Last week, one. Peak position, one. 556 00:32:23,410 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: Weeks on chart, 11. Number two, Can't Hold Us, Malcolm 557 00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:31,420 Speaker 1: Moore and Ryan Lewis featuring Ray Dalton. Last week, two. 558 00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:38,110 Speaker 1: Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 12. Number three, Stay, Rihanna, 559 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:43,590 Speaker 1: featuring Mickey Echo. Last week, six, Peak Position, three. Weeks 560 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:49,090 Speaker 1: on Churn, 12. Number four, Thrift Shop, Macklemore, and Ryan Lewis, 561 00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: featuring Wads. Last week, Peak Position, one. Weeks on Churn, 13. 562 00:32:53,900 --> 00:33:12,620 Speaker 1: Number five, That's It. Quit talking and start mixing. 563 00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:13,340 Speaker 3: Cut it!