WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Early Impressions 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:24.000 And the Dallas Cowboy Cowboys Football's world headquarters at the 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.160 start production Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:37.960 Football and now your host, Isaiah stand back. He's Cowboys. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.879 Kyle Ringing live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:47.040 forty eight days away from the start of the NFL season, 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:51.919 and it's a Cowboys training competition of talking Cowboys presented 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.200 by Geico here from Oxnard, California. It's the first show 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.600 we've done from out here at Cowboys Training Camp, presented 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.920 by him Errican Airlines, Rob Phillips, and Well, we were 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.520 supposed to get the bank, the band of brothers, the 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.240 gang back together. That has not happened, as Mickey Spagnola 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.399 will join us at some point throughout the course of 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.039 this this podcast, but I'm Kyle Yeoman's it'll be me 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.040 and Rob Phillips for a quick moment here. But this 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.400 is one way that camp gets underway. We're talking Cowboys. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.760 You sent us a rundown for the show. Has mentioned 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.760 how many camps he's been to, like thirty five, Yeah, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.800 thirty five camps. We figure out the Dallas, California time difference, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.399 you know, let's just let's get that settled here the 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.240 first week of camp. Mick, he'll be here. He'll be here, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.000 I'm sure he will. He may have a he may 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.240 have a scoop or something. You know. Yeah, it may 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.000 come back with a big scoop. Yeah, we can't make 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.440 fun of him too much because maybe that's what he's doing. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.080 Maybe he's out there, he's talking with players. He's gonna 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.440 bring it back to us and we're gonna have plenty 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.280 of information to relay back to the Cowboys fans back home. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.120 Or he was just on a Sunrise bike ride. Who 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.639 knows either way throughout California. But Rob, what what training 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.480 camp is this for you? Fifteen and all of them 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.680 in Oxnard or I guess not necessarily a handful in 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.040 San Antonio, including my first one in h three, which 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.440 happened to be Bill Parcel's first camp as Cowboys head coach. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.160 But the majority out here and it is so nice 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.919 to be but it's cold out here today. It is 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.440 yell Philly. We're both wearing sleeves at the moment, and 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:25.560 of course this being nine am Pacific Coast time compared 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.200 to the eleven am for the majority of our audience 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:34.880 back in Texas, and hey, look who made the trip Pola. Yeah, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.799 we're gonna have to get back over here and kind 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.680 of scoot in and get him here. This is professional radio. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.079 This is fantastic, thirty five years of camp experience, everybody, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.040 and this is Mickey Spagnola back on Talking Cowboys. Were 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.800 you just that excited to get back on this podcast? 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.480 All right? I almost wear that ship today too. I 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.920 was thinking that I needed to be back here by 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:00.120 nine o'clock, and I got back at eight forty and 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.520 I go, okay, I got twenty minutes, went to breakfast. Oh, 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.359 I forgot good thing you'd text me? Yeah, I thought 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.480 you're asleep. You didn't answer me. We've been riding for 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.959 an hour and a half. It was a sunrise bike ride. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.079 What was your route? Where you go? We went down 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:23.040 Vineyard to the Oxnard Airport, took a ride and went 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:28.920 to the beach. Nice cool. I showed Alex the way. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.040 And now I'm out of breath too, great talk Cowboys. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.400 I am all right, absolutely. Now I will ask this question. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.240 I was about to ask it to Rob a moment ago. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.840 But throughout all of your training camps that you've been 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.360 a part of it, I've never been late for talking Cowboys. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:48.320 There's one god, Um, I was gonna ask, has there 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.360 ever been a training camp that you've been around that 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.080 has been so excitable? Has there been so much excitement 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.040 and so much anticipation around a training camp much like 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.080 this one? Maybe not necessarily because of the expectations. Sure 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.240 there are some expectations that are there, but mostly just 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.320 getting back to normal and getting back to Oxnard, Mickey. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.280 Maybe in and I got to remember where we were 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:20.039 two thousand and seven when t O showed up or 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.039 he was here and Tony Romo was going to be 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.320 the starting quarterback, so I can kind of kind of 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:32.000 remember that. Now eighty nine, there was a lot of 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.120 excitement when Jimmy Johnson became the head coach. Troy Aikman 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.600 was the first pick in the draft, so yeah, there 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.400 was some serious excitement then. And then they went out 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.120 and in four preseason games they went three and one 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.719 and won the last one at home in the last 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:59.359 seconds over Houston and Jimmy and Jerry running off the 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.080 field at the arms in the air. And then things 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.440 went downhill quickly because they went to New Orleans for 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.560 the opener and got the snot knocked out of him 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.840 twenty eight to nothing, and then reality set in that 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:20.120 maybe we're all ways away. I think they didn't even 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:25.400 gain two hundred yards, got shut out and back in 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.440 the day the Cowboys score. The one thing Tom Landry 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.880 teams did is they scored points right, and it was 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.360 like their first shutout in twenty years or the first 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:40.400 time they were shut out in twenty some years. So yeah, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.400 but I remember that training camp. It was pretty exciting, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.599 and actually it was my first one to be at 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.400 training camp. The entire time before that, it was a 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.480 week at a time for I was a backup guy. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.479 And so when they gave the beat writer time off, 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.440 because back then training camp was like five six weeks, 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.360 so they let them either go home or bring somebody out, 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.760 and so I would go for a week. I was 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.480 the relief man. But yeah, that was my first one. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.680 The only one that compares for me is oh eight 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.760 when Hard Knocks was here. Oh wow, ironically, and you know, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.920 there was just so much star power on that team 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:25.000 and so much Super Bowl expectations, yet TiO running on 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.359 the beach in the Hard Knocks episode and it was 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.279 just it felt like a Hollywood script. You know, this is, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.320 like you said, excitable for a different reason. This just 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.840 feels like a fresh start for this whole organization, not 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.680 just us getting to be back here, but you know, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.760 I think this is your first camp. Yeah, but for 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.880 anybody that's been out here, Mickey and I, Chris and 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.880 obviously members of the organization, this is like a second 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.880 home for the Dallas Cowboys. It really is. There's a 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.719 there's a comfort level coming out here. And when you 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.000 run into people these first few days, it's not just 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.520 players and coaches, but staff members people we haven't seen 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.839 that much for a year and a half. There is 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.400 a it's almost like a sense of relief for people 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.880 to see each other a little bit and feel like 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.240 we've got some simbulance of normalcy right now. It's you 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.040 feel in this like a homecoming. It is. I just 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.160 ran into one of the guys that has been working here, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.920 I swear since we've come. He was in the in 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.200 the lunch room, and I just saw him for the 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.040 first time. I hadn't seen him before, and I said, oh, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.000 you're still here. He goes, yeah, and it's good to 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.120 have you back, you know. And I had made friends, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.440 we used to stay over closer to like where you are, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.320 where the pool is. And every morning when i'd get 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.080 up to go work out, this guy was out there 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.120 cleaning the leaves out of the pool. And I don't 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.800 remember his name, but we became friends, like, Hey, how 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.520 you doing this morning, you know, And every year he'd 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.920 be out there cleaning the pool. Right. I haven't seen 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.000 him this year, but I've seen some of the volunteers 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.160 that we're used to being around. They're back. And all 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.360 these people that you haven't seen in two years, will 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.840 you forget their names, but all these people are back. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.720 To the security people, they're back, and they're also happy 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.560 to be here volunteering again. And let me see, that's 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.480 a capital V volunteering. And not just that, but staff 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.520 within the Cowboys that we used to see all the 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.520 time at the Star and we don't as much anymore. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.880 And even when players are happy to see us, that's 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.920 you know, that there's a sense of relief because we 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.720 make their jobs difficult, you know. So I just think 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.800 I think that is what Jerry was trying to get 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.200 across when he kind of got emotional a couple days 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.760 ago at the press conference. There is a sense of 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.000 normalcy right now, and let's enjoy it because you know, 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.080 this pandemic is not over, and hopefully it stays the 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.040 way it is, right. That's like I told you the 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.880 other day. When I showed up on time for the podcast, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.720 I passed Dak and I heard him kind of shout 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.760 out right, yeah, And I turned to my left to 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.360 see who he was yelling at, you know, and he 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.520 got up the steps and he yelled at me again, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.600 and he goes, hey, good to see you. And I said, oh, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.880 he's talking to me right, you know. And and and 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.240 I realized, how long has it been since I've been 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.240 that close to Dak Prescott to say hi? Well, we 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.800 have to go back to December or in the last 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.400 season of the twenty nineteen season. Yeah, he may have 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.080 seen us on a video conference call, yeah, but maybe 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.040 not that close to him and and actually talk or 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.240 just say hi, you know. And was so different, And 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.760 it's happened with a lot of people like I had 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.160 a long conversation the other day with Mike McCord, the 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:39.760 head of the equipment hadn't talked to him, and year, sure, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.160 you know, and we're used to being around these guys, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.520 you know, all the time, and I think they returned 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.800 to normalcy really got came to a peak yesterday whenever 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.079 the first practice was out on the field and then 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.000 you kind of got out there and we were making 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.559 our way to our spot, and the players were already 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.440 out on the field, and guess what, fans started filing in. Yeah, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.080 and they were all lined up on the fence and 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.600 they were talking to everybody, and they were yelling at players. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.520 They were singing Ezekiel Elliott, Happy Birthday. There were so 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.080 many different animated things that hasn't been a part not 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.720 only of training camp, but of football the last couple 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.959 of years, just because of the COVID nineteen protocols and stuff. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.480 But I do want to talk about the practice and 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.160 kind of get into that a little bit. Yesterday Mike 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.600 McCarthy doing his press conference said it was going to 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.360 be simplified. Early on, he said it was going to 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.000 be a reinstall of the offense. We're gonna lay a foundation. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.079 We'll get to some of the simulated practice stuff pretty quickly. However, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.520 we want to make sure the foundation is set for 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.560 some of these young guys and then also maybe some 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.440 of the changes, especially on defense. But Mickey as you 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.000 were watching practice yesterday, was there anything that stuck out 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.239 to you overall? I don't know so much about practice, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:54.280 but from his press conference, which you know, how many 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.440 times have we seen him do that that close? Right? Yeah, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:01.240 we got to go back to Dack citing his con track. Uh, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.120 and then the draft the draft, Yeah, but from the 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.240 contract standpoint, we hadn't talked to him in person since 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:13.120 January of twenty twenty, right, Yeah. So, uh, here's what 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.160 stuck out to me. The first I don't know, what 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.240 do you think ten fifteen minutes of the press conference 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.600 was about COVID nineteen. That's what stuck out to me 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:30.040 that there was a huge discussion on that, and you know, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.120 not only did they have to talk about it when 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.840 they did the camp opening press conference, that then Mike 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.800 had to continue to sort of address it. And it's 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.480 you know, it's a hot topic. I mean, especially after 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.560 what the NFL came down yesterday right with UM, you know, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.760 if if you're unvaccinated and and you create a breakout, um, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.000 you know they're gonna find you. You're gonna forfeit games 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.920 and there's no more rescheduling. And so to me, that 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.840 tells you the NFL can't come out and tell players 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.320 you need to get vaccinated, but they can give ramifications 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.679 if you don't, and the NFL PA has to sign 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.520 off on that, and I'm assuming they did. So there's 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.880 a lot of centives for these guys to get vaccinated, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.480 and no more so than when Zeke was asked the 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.960 question and he kind of gave the politically correct answer 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.360 and then somebody said, yeah, but if you're unvaccinated and 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:35.680 you cause a breakout, they're gonna, they're gonna it's gonna 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.880 cost you a check, And all of a sudden his 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 eyes light up and go a check, check, a check, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.480 Zeke's check in particular. Right, it's pretty nice. Yeah, And 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.080 so that got his attention and maybe it's got the 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.040 other player's attention too. So I know you asked about 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:56.600 the practice, but that that's the two days. Yeah, this 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.680 first two days. Really that's what stuck out. That's why 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.640 it's a semblance of normalcy. Yeah, it's not there. Yeah, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.000 because this is still an issue. It's still an issue league. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.839 Why now the Cowboys feel good about where they are? 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.320 They think Steven Jones said that he thinks they're going 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.840 to hit that eighty five percent that the league wants 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.040 in terms of vaccinations, but they're not there yet, and 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.360 so there are some protocols around here. As far as practice, 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.640 you know, it's it's still ota mini camp. Feel sure. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.680 I mean, they're they're not in pads and they won't 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.800 be until next week. That's just part of the league protocols, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.360 I think, or league rules. You got to be day seven, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.560 I think to get back in pads. But you know, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.600 it kind of reminded me of early practices that we've 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.440 seen in camps before, where the defense maybe a little 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.720 bit ahead in terms of making plays on the ball 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.840 and the offense not quite as crisp. And and look, honestly, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.400 there's a lot of new faces on the offense, at 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.800 least with the first team that not new signings, but 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.960 just guys coming back from injury. And I think it'll 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.920 kind of sort itself out as we go here. But 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.920 you know, we gotta tap the brakes a little bit 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.600 on evaluations early because we're we're not seeing anything really 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:06.199 different in terms of padded work and that type of stuff. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.679 But Mike McCarthy did speak to it, there's gonna be 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.000 some more competitive stuff early because they feel good about 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.480 the installations they did in the spring to where now 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.319 they can just kind of review it and then get 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.680 after it with some situational work and some competitive stuff, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.080 which is fun. And yeah, and then you know, one 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.640 of the things, they were still offensively for a lot 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.040 of the team drills and even the seven on seven 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.560 they were still doing their scramble thing where they weren't 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.840 running a play that was called. It was like, okay, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.560 here's the formation, and then Dak starts spinning around and 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.240 you know, trying to scramble and throw on the run. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.120 So there was a lot of that going on still, 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.880 and he showing that, you know, I'm fine, I can run, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.040 I can plant, I can stop and start, I can 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.720 throw deep, you know. And I heard somebody go yeah, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:04.200 typical Dak Prescott. He won very good, and it's like, okay, seriously, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.760 this is the first time they did team since he 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.400 had his foot going the wrong way. Yeah, right, Yeah, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.360 he did none of that in the right ring. And 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.440 I mean it was all seven seven on seven or 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.840 against air or even when they had eleven, it was 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.560 eleven on seven, and there was no no line, no rush, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.680 there was no congestion around him. So yeah, it's like, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.840 give me a break. And the other thing is, when 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:37.160 you're in practices like this, you're gonna throw the ball. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.080 You're not gonna take a sack or you're not gonna 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.920 just throw it away right. You're gonna try to drill 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.920 one in and it might get intercepted, but big deal. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.480 The way you do, you're trying to find out where 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.880 your margin of error is. And it's like the comeback 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:57.080 one that Digs picked off right away. It's like, Okay, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.040 in the game, he's not throwing that pass and he 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.080 just tried to drill it in there. He has said 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.760 that for five years that in training camp, I'm gonna 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.480 take chances, I'm gonna test my limits. I'm also gonna 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.600 show my guys I'm willing to throw it up to 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.440 you and try to let you make a play on 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.440 the ball. But in games he's going to be more 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.920 cautious in terms of not making mistakes. So that's a 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.200 good point by Mick. I remember I remember one training 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.920 camp and somebody was like, I don't I don't know. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.120 I don't remember who it was or what affiliation it was, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.200 but they were new to training camp, and so the 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:33.360 offense was practicing against the scout team or no, the 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:38.360 defense was practicing against the offensive scout team. Okay, And 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.960 and and the next day the next morning is you 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.680 know who's hot and who's not? Well, who's not was 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.000 the scout team quarterback because he got picked off five times? 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.800 Oh yeah, sure, well you're supposed to throw the ball 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.360 so the defense could succeed, right, And I was like, oh, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.560 come on, let's not go through this. Uh so yeah, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.880 but you know, even those guys they're gonna they're gonna 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.640 gun it in there and see what they can do. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.720 So it's really hard to judge, especially the first practice, right, um, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:12.280 and the defense should be playing well, you know. And 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.040 and who you know caught your eye again, you know, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:20.639 because he's caught everybody's eye and perked their right. Yeah. Again, 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.359 he's always making a play on the ball. It seems 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.680 like one or two every practice. Three in the span 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.880 of six plays yesterday, he's uh, you know, he he's 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.919 turning some heads. And he can close so quickly because 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.960 of his length. Yes, you know, he can get up 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.879 on even if he's beat on a play, he's got 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.920 the arm length to close and make a play on 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.959 the ball. And he did it two straight plays earlier 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.520 in the pract and if I had arms like that, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:51.320 I'd have been great in tennis. Uncortunately the net, Josh 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.920 Nicky's gonna win win Wimbledon with long arms. The one 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.400 thing you're looking at in these practices isn't, like you said, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.720 It isn't the stats. It isn't the charts, It isn't 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.000 in completions, completions and whatnot, whatever it may be. You're 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.439 looking for footwork, you're looking for positions, you're looking for 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.040 speed at the same time, and I think Nishan right, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.119 that was what was intriguing about yesterday. Not only was 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.200 he getting a hand on the football on multiple occasions, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.000 but his footwork was good, his closing speed was there, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.680 and then the change of direction was honestly there too, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.359 that I thought was pretty impressive overall. Before we do 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.600 take our first break, I wanted to give a quick 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.720 update for those who did not see it on the 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:34.320 breaking already. Yeah yeah, yeah, right, I miss unfortunately the 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.959 quick update on the pup list, the physically unable to 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.000 perform list, Amari Cooper to Marcus Lawrence, Tristan Hill, Mitch Hyatt, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.600 Greg Zurline, a couple of those names on there. T J. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.080 Vascher not on the pup list. He's on a different 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.720 list at the moment. Triston Hill Tristan Yes, yeah, Tristan 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.440 hill On There anybody that sticks out there that has 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.320 any concern for you guys going into camp. I don't 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.399 know if it's concerned. I think the surprise was I 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.959 don't think we knew Greg Zerline had back surgery, had 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.160 any issue, yeah, because but you know, he wasn't there 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.960 for the OTAs and he wasn't there for Mini camp. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:15.439 And I remember asking somebody about are the kickers like 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.359 working inside when we're outside, and it was like, yeah, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.480 I think that's what they're doing. And it's like, well, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.520 because I haven't seen Zurline and somebody goes, well, he's 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.280 a veteran. He didn't need to be out here. And 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:31.000 it's like, oh, okay, you know he wasn't perfect. So 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.480 and then you know, you hate to hear your kicker 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.200 had back surgery. But if he had it like after 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.920 the season in January, and it's and I'm assuming the worst, right, 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.800 I don't know that it was a disc, but I'm 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.240 assuming when it's a back, it's usually is that's a 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.760 three month recovery, so he they're probably out of an 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.840 abundance of caution with him and all the rest of 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.639 the guys the same thing. Yeah, it was zeroline. I 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.359 don't think it's anything long term, and they you know, 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.800 Mike said that about all the guys they're coming off 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.720 these lists now. DeMarcus Lawrence has a back too. Did 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.680 the back surgery in the spring, apparently clean up procedure. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.359 I don't know what a clean up procedure means necessarily 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.920 with the back, and it's his third procedure I believe 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.320 of his career. Um but there they say they're not 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.560 concerned about it. So we'll see. He's in great hands 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.280 with the athletic training staff. But the sooner he could 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.199 get back out there, obviously the better. For this. I'm 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:29.280 assuming he had it while before we saw him doing 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.840 his rehab stuff. Yeah, the OTAs in mini camps. He's 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.719 out there, and if that's the case, he was running 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.159 pretty good during that. That's why I didn't think it 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:42.520 was he had any leg issue or anything. But um, yeah, 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.800 it's it's a three month recovery. And you know, I 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.880 can take you back to the summer of ninety three 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.960 when Troy Aikman had his dissurgery micro dissectomy, and he 0:20:55.040 --> 0:21:00.800 had it middle of June, and by the second or 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:05.439 third preseason game, he's diving head first into the end 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.520 zone for a touchdown and it's like, seriously, can't be 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.680 doing that. And they told him, you know, you don't 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.480 need to run, and he did that. Jimmy, you're out. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.000 That's it. Take his helmet away. It's a good way 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.119 to put it. And I think Mine McCarthy said it 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.880 in his press conference, but Tristan Hill probably the furthest 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.399 from being ready is one of the one things that 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.320 he said. I had a little bit of perspective on 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.840 that that if they needed him to be out there, 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.120 he would be out there. But they're kind of so 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.879 slow playing it because there might be somewhat of a 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:51.919 log jam tackle and especially if Bohanna proves that he 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:58.119 can do something right and so, I don't know, it 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.080 may have something to do with, yeah, let's watch his back, 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.959 but we put him on pup and if we do 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.440 get a log jam there, then you can leave him 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.359 on pup right and and and you would buy what 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.320 is it eight eight more weeks at least six six 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.920 minimum six minimum, right, Yeah, and then you if something 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.040 happens in the defensive line, then oh I got here 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.240 in my last pocket. You don't have to take up 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.280 a roster spot in order to exactly So I think 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.640 there might be some of that uh talk in there. 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.600 The other thing too, Yeah, the other thing too is 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.199 he's three hundred pounds and what we've heard about the 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.520 you know, coming off acls if you're if you're heavier player, 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:36.600 it can take a little bit longer than maybe a 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.560