1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People to cool stuff your 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: podcast about Wait a second, Sophie's not here. We can 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: do anything we want. Hello, and welcome to Hollywood. Let's 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: talk about Hollywood. That's a real place and we care 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: about the people there, Shreine, Do you think that's a 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: good podcast? I feel like will be the first people 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: to come up with that kind of podcast. Yeah, we're 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be a big hit, smash hit. Yeah, 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna get some podcast money. Hell yeah U or Okay, 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: actually maybe we should just we'll do that later. First, 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: we'll do it. Cool people did cool stuff. Okay, Yeah, 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: I guess we had to get that out of the 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: way first. Yeah, okay, great, we'll jump in. Yeah, because 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about today's guest and topic. My guest 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: today is a Linda Segata and the principal songwriter. I 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: guess this is the maybe way to say it, but 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely certain of one of the best bands 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: out there. Hooray for the riffraff. Helenda, how are you? 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm on a wild journey of life, but 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm really happy to be here and I've missed you. Yeah. Yeah. 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: I keep finding my guests are like my old friends 22 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: from back in the day in a nice way. Um 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: and Linda and I know each other from New York 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: many many years ago. Yeah, that's beautiful, Linda. I was 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: going to describe your music, and then I realized, I 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: don't know how to. Is there like a catchy one 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: sentence version that you use? I guess like sometimes I 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: say folk rock because I feel like people not when 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: I say that, Okay, you know, I will go out, 30 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: go ahead, Sorry, Oh there's there's a rock in it, 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: but it's also folk. Yeah, I will say to anyone 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: who I don't usually like folk rock as described, and 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: I really like hooray for the riff raff, so if 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: anyone good, yeah, everyone, would you call it? Also, one 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: time somebody called it folk punk, and I was like, whoa. 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I felt like younger me was really excited. But me 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I used to distinguish between folk punk and punk's playing 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: folk because folk punk is when you take the punk 39 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: vocals and put them over folk instrumentation, and then punk's 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: playing folk is when punks play folk music. Yes, and 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: I like that one more. I gotta I want some 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: I want stop playing shows. Because I was playing shows 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: with an accordion and I told this other person I 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: played with. I was like, oh, I don't usually like 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: folk punk, but I relate like your set. And he 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: got really offended and he was like, which is fair? 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: It was a dumb thing for me to have said. 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: And he was like, what do you call what you do? 49 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: And then I stopped playing shows. I want to be 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: folk power. Anyway, that's not what we're talking about today. 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: We are not talking about folk punk today. Okay. Well, first, 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: as people might have noticed, our our producer Sophie is 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: not with us. Instead, we have Sharine at least partly, 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: but otherwise we're flying solo. I believe in you. I 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: thank you. That's I'll claim that I do too, so 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: that everyone feels safe. Our audio engineers Ian high Ian, 57 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: and our theme music was written for us by a woman. 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: And our topic today, Elenda. People talk a lot about 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: like getting shit done, but usually they don't get shit done. 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: They talk about getting shit done. Today we're gonna talk 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: about some people who got shit done. This was the 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: thing that I kept running over and over again, was 63 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: just like getting shit done, be out of They got 64 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: so much done that this is our second four partner. 65 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: There's two weeks that we're going to be talking about 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: a street gang that turned into revolutionary socialists who fought 67 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: for change, and they only got the tiniest portion of 68 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: what they wanted, and they still got more than almost 69 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: anyone I ever read about. In case anyone's wondering, anyone 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: who's listening, if you were wondering, huh, I wonder if 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: the reason that the trash gets picked up is because 72 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: of people rioting. I wonder if the reason that people 73 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: don't use lead paint anymore is because of militant demonstrators 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: who were threatening to overthrow capitalism. And was it people 75 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: committed to the destruction of capitalism who brought us the 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: patient's Bill of Rights and the fact that some of 77 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: times were treated okay at hospitals? The answers yes, because 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about the Young Lords. E Linda, 79 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: have you heard of the Young Lords? I have learned. 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: I have heard of the Young Lords. I was very 81 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: deeply affected by learning about them some years ago, and 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: it like really changed my music and it changed my life. 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: That's cool. The the reason A Linda's the guest for 84 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: this is that I started writing a script for someone else, 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: and then um, I was name dropping A Linda and 86 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: one of one of their songs in the script, and 87 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: then I was like, e Linda should be the guest 88 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: for this, and then A Linda said, yes, I'm really 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: excited to learn to learn about them, you know, like 90 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: I've had the emotional experience of learning some about the 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: Young Lords, but I am ready to deep dive. Fuck yeah. Okay, 92 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: So today we're gonna talk about this week and next 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: week we're gonna talk about some of the amazing stuff 94 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: done by the Puerto Rican radicals in the continental United States. 95 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: And that means we should at least briefly talk about 96 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico itself. Puerto Rico is an American colony. The 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: US doesn't like to use that word. They use the 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: word unincorporated territory. Whoa, yeah, it means I've heard commonwealth 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: my whole life. Oh okay, I think that which is well, 100 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: I just think it's a very silly term when it's 101 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: like there is no commonwealth. Yeah, well, the that's the 102 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: white people in the United States have the commonwealth of 103 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. It was all extracted. Yeah yeah, so the 104 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: US got this colony in eighteen ninety eight by the 105 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: usual means of colony getting colonies through war, and in 106 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: this case they sold it from Spain as the result 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: of the Spanish American War. Spain, of course, had stolen 108 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: it in the first place. They stole it from the 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: indigenous people the island back in fifteen oh eight Puerto Rico, 110 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: so it becomes a colony of the US instead of Spain. 111 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: And then in nineteen seventeen, Puerto Ricans were suddenly granted 112 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: US citizenship, which was so benevolent. It was just a 113 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: strange coincidence that there was just in time for all 114 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: the Puerto Rican meant to get drafted. Yes, yeah, yes, 115 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: So the US gave Puerto Ricans US a citizenship because 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: they wanted to throw them into the meat grinder of 117 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: World War One, and the entire Puerto Rican House of Delegates, 118 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: like the local governance in Puerto Rico, voted against getting 119 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: US citizenship because they were like, oh, whoa, yeah, that 120 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: part actually a little bit surprised me because a lot 121 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: of US statehood is a big part of a lot 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: of Puerto Rican movement stuff. Now right, we're gonna talk 123 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. But they knew it was 124 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: a fucking trick as far as I can tell, they 125 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, why would we go off and 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: do this. So Ever since, Puerto Rican folks have been 127 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: fighting for and this depends on who you ask. Some 128 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: people are fighting from independence from the US, some people 129 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: are fighting for statehood. Either way, people are fighting. I'm 130 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of curious whether, like in your family, whether like 131 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: there's a strong sense of statehood, independence, that kind of thing, 132 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Like it really depends. It's like, I think there's definitely 133 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: exhaustion that my family has. I think is pretty common 134 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: to Puerto Ricans who you know, I don't really have 135 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: a lot of family in the island anymore, and it 136 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: seems like my family is very much like, well, how 137 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: would the island survive if we weren't owned by the 138 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: US at this point, like an exhaustion of this idea 139 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: of independency even being possible. But then there are certain people, like, 140 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's like some more radically leaning people, and 141 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: my family they're just like the point is to try, 142 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: The point is to figure it out, you know. Yeah, 143 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: And I feel like it's like useful to understand and 144 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: be sympathetic to both of those positions for me, as 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: someone who's not Puerto Ricans, just being like, all right, 146 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: like independence, the more radical thing sounds always cooler to me. 147 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I could get people just trying for 148 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: what they can, you know. Yeah, And I feel that too, 149 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: even being like a Puerto Rican person that wasn't brought 150 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: up on the island. I'm like, what right do I 151 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: have to tell people how to like to make a 152 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: decision that really it affects them. It doesn't affect me, 153 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, it affects their daily life. So I definitely 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: try to be aware of that, especially with like having 155 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: a band and being sometimes the only Puerto Rican person 156 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: that someone's ever talked to, right, you know, yeah, Well, 157 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: part four of this episode will be particularly interestingness relates 158 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: to not the band part, but the mainland US Puerto Ricans, 159 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that later. Everyone's got to wait 160 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. So the US they want Puerto Rico still, 161 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: and it is part of the US exercising power across 162 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: the globe. It's not like some benevolence thing that we 163 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: have this fucking colony. The majority of US interventions in 164 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Latin America are staged on the island. Of Puerto Rico. 165 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow. And since Puerto Rico is a colony, it 166 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: means the US is out to extract whatever value it 167 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: can from the island, which in nineteen seventeen met Grist 168 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: for the mill. Post World War Two, it was something different, 169 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: but something related. It was need workers. We need workers 170 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: because so many of ours just died because we just 171 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: fought World War two. So please everyone come over. And 172 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: so between nineteen forty seven and nineteen seventy a third 173 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: of the population of Puerto Rico moved to the United 174 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: States looking for something like stability in a decent life. Disproportionately, 175 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: this was youth who came, and ninety percent of them 176 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: went at least to begin with the New York City. 177 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: This massive gration started because of a US project called 178 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Operation Bootstrap, which was this massive spike in industrialization that 179 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: displaced people even as it like put in power lines. 180 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: So it was like kind of like, oh, we're doing 181 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: all this nice stuff. We're bringing in power lines and 182 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: industry and infrastructure, but it just fucked everything up. It 183 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: was openly an attempt to stabilize the political situation in 184 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: the colony and make it more useful for US. Interests, 185 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: the sugar economy, which was also bad, but it was 186 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: like what Spain was mostly up to, was replaced by industrialization, 187 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: also bad, and US investment in capitalism, just like poured 188 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: into Puerto Rico. So Puerto Rico, Puerto Rican folks led 189 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: the fucking up of their country and moved to the US, 190 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: where they were welcomed with open arms, economic opportunity, good 191 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: living conditions, the American dream and no, no, wait no, 192 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: it's the opposite of that. Puerto Rican immigrants was even 193 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: immigrants the right word. I mean, you know, people coming 194 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:05,359 Speaker 1: from Puerto Rico. Yeah, yeah, met with violence, nativism, bigotry, racism, classism. Instead, 195 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans in the US were immediately slandered as junkies 196 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: and thugs and welfare dependents, the same as marginalized people 197 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: always are. They're treated like illegal immigrants, which of course 198 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: is not true, and obviously undocumented people should also be 199 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: treated well in borders. But in this case, literally it's 200 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: US since moving to another part of the US, and 201 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: they'd come over basically at the behest of the US 202 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: government to work. But the piece of shit racists didn't 203 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: like thinking. Period. Yeah, this is actually when my family 204 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: came over is like around nineteen forty seven. Oh okay, 205 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: oh damn, so like kind of like first wave of 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: all this stuff. Yeah, my dad came over when he 207 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: was a kid, and he asked this story about being 208 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: on a plane, that the chairs were actually like lawn chairs, 209 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: and that my mother came with like her three kids 210 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: because my grandfather was already over in New York working, 211 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: and like it just being like okay, every you know, 212 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure they were like some house that bolted down, 213 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: but just like this totally crazy, yeah experience of like 214 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: let's get as many of these people over as we can. 215 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: You know, that's fucking I mean, it doesn't surprise me, 216 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: but I just had never even imagined that kind of like, yeah, 217 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: like I wonder how I thought. I never really thought 218 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: about how folks came over, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Operation 219 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Bootstrap had another impact. It showed the world that the 220 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: quote unquote Third world was open for business. And I 221 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: think it was like one of the things that kind 222 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: of started the industrial economy disappearing from the United States. 223 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: Oh as industrialization has moved out to the colonies and 224 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: to the sort of you know, in a neoliberal sense, 225 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: you can kind of claim that most of the quote 226 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: unquote developing world is colonies for the rich nations. You know, 227 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: So there's a weird, awful downside to this. Millions of 228 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: people are showing up for looking for work in the 229 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: cities because they've been told to come over and get 230 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: work in the cities, just as the US is like 231 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: starting to eradicate industrialization within in the continental United States, 232 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: and so there's not a lot of work. In nineteen 233 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: sixty six, a study found that the unemployment or underemployment 234 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: of Puerto Rican men in East Harlem or what's called 235 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Spanish Harlem or Elbadio was forty seven percent. Half the 236 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican families in New York lived worse than immigrant 237 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: families in New York during the fucking Great Depression. So 238 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: by nineteen sixty six, twenty percent of the students in 239 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: New York City where Puerto Rican and thirty percent were black, 240 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: which means it's the first time that white people weren't 241 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: the majority in New York City in the schools. WHOA, 242 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you knew this, but white 243 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: people don't historically like that. They don't. Yeah, it's not 244 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: a not a cool look. Yeah, Yeah, they haven't figured 245 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: out that. They're like, they don't want to get treated 246 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: like they've been treating people, you know. Yeah, So two 247 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: thousand white parents picketed City Hall over school integration. In 248 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, almost half a million white students stayed 249 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: home in a boycott protest organized by their racist fucking 250 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: parents in New York City. Wow. Yeah, like half a 251 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: million fucking kids didn't go to school and protest of 252 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: their being people of color in their schools. And like 253 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: white Northerners have this attitude that, like white Southerners are 254 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: the only racist people. Seriously. Yeah. Wow. So we'll come 255 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: back to New York later. Our story winds up in 256 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: New York, but it starts in Chicago. Yeah. In Chicago, 257 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, some white assholes fire bombed to Puerto 258 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: Rican bar in an apartment, which led to a week 259 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: of fighting, and it led to non white gangs forming 260 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: for self defense. Specifically Puerto Rican, Mexican and Black gang 261 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: started forming in Chicago in the nineteen fifties. And you've 262 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: got a bunch of capitalists exploiting this racist fear. White 263 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: people started fleeing Chicago in the fifties out to the suburbs, 264 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: the classic white flight. The white people who stayed in 265 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: Chicago were like really paranoid about black people driving down 266 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: their property values or whatever. So these real estate assholes 267 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: who created the racist panic in the first place, would 268 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: get white people to sell at a loss and basically 269 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: like stoke these fears in order to make money and 270 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: flip houses. And it was kind of like Domino style, 271 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: and so like the white flight was like both racist 272 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: cowards and also racist capitalists. We're looking to exploit the 273 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: fear of them racist capitalists, racist cowards, and that's the 274 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: condition into which are very young heroes or lords as 275 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: we might call them, and to our story. Yeah, but 276 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: first we're going to talk about some other heroes, cap 277 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Botalism and products and services that support our show because 278 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: we're ads sponsored, and now you can listen to those ads. 279 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: And we're back and we are talking about the beginning 280 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: of the Young Lords. They formed as a street gang 281 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine in Lincoln Park in Chicago. They 282 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: were formed by seven kids. Six of them were Puerto Rican, 283 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: one of them was Mexican. And this part I didn't 284 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean it when I say kids, how 285 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: old do you thinks these kids were I mean I 286 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: always imagined like mid twenties, but I know that's wrong. Yeah, 287 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: like half that some of them are like eleven what yeah, 288 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: in fact, well like actual children. Yeah, the kind of 289 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: like main founder of the will get to this, Like 290 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: one of our heroes that we're going to talk about, 291 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: Jose Chachamenesh he was eleven years old in nineteen fifty 292 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: nine when he was a founding member of this gang. 293 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Yeah that actually, okay, that reminds me though. Have you 294 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: heard there is a story about kids in Puerto Rico 295 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: talking about kids not going to school, about kids in 296 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico like not going to school and protest of 297 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: this time when they were trying to make when the 298 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: US was trying to force like English to be the 299 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: official language of the school system. Oh no, this is cool. No. Yeah, 300 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 1: so there is I don't know a lot about it, 301 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: but there is like a history of Puerto Rican children 302 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: being like yeah, fuck you, but we're not gonna go, 303 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: which is the opposite of us. Sorry, go ahead, it's 304 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: in the blood. Yeah, and the opposite of those half 305 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: a million white kids who are like, we don't want 306 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: to go to school because there might someone at schools 307 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: speaking Spanish. I can't handle it. Yeah, God forbid. Wow 308 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: eleven yeah, Jose Shacha Jimenez. He was a founding member. 309 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: He's eleven years old. By the time he was fourteen, 310 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: he was a pretty petty crook. He got caught a 311 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: bunch going in and out of facilities all the time. 312 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: His Catholic parents had come over from Puerto Rico with 313 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: him when he was two. His mom passed when they 314 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: moved to Chicago. His mom packed Christmas cards for a 315 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: living and his dad worked in a meat packing plant. 316 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: As the city redeveloped and tore down everything and like 317 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: fucked over all the pool poor people. They moved nine 318 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: times in the first six years they lived in Chicago. 319 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: Oh wow yeah yeah. Where they wound up in Lincoln 320 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Park was like diverse quote quote unquote, but it was 321 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: segregated block by block. His mom pulled a bunch of 322 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: strings to get him put into a Catholic school because 323 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: he'd been she'd been raised in a Catholic poorhouse and 324 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: had connections. But this will be shocking to you, So 325 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: the priests at this school not so cool. Um. They 326 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: were all a bunch of racists. They used the N 327 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: word constantly. They just fucking hated these like as best 328 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: as I can tell, it was like white Catholics and 329 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: they were like, fuck, why did And it's like, honey, 330 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: that's on you. Your missionaries went and turned all these 331 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: people of color into My family had so many stories 332 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: about like nuns, like hitting them with rulers and ship like. 333 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: Luckily I was able to grow up, not like we 334 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: went to mass like for Christmas, but I was raised. 335 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: So I was raised by a bunch of like hit 336 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: bees basically that got hit by nuns. We're just yeah, yeah, 337 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: so I'm very lucky. Yeah that Yeah. My dad went 338 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: to Catholic school, so I didn't have to exactly. Yeah, 339 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: so this is what he's getting raised. How he was 340 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: getting raised. His dad had actually been in a gang himself, 341 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: Lacha Vieja the Old Hatchet, which is the oldest known 342 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican street gang in at least Chicago. I'm unsure 343 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: if there's older older Puerto Rican street gangs in the 344 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: United States. I tried looking and like it would come 345 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: back being like nineteen seventy and I'm like, no, no, 346 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: that's not the one. Well cool name though, I know, right, 347 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: and especially sick band name. Okay, but you're breaking my 348 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: rule I have, Like if there's like Margaret's law, it's 349 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: that everyone who says that would be a cool band 350 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: name is wrong, but this actually would be a good 351 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: band name. Like yeah, you, um, you broke the law, 352 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: band jail you have to go to. Yeah, I know, 353 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: especially because the old Hatchet was probably a bunch of teenagers, right, Like, yeah, 354 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: the only like Puerto Rican street gang I know about 355 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: is the Ghetto Brothers. Okay, I don't know about, but 356 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: I think that was. I think that was later on. Okay, 357 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: they eventually became a band. Oh yeah, so different than 358 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: the Ghetto Boys. Yes, great, I was like, Okay, So 359 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: the history I feel like it's worth pointing out if 360 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about this street gang, right, and people have 361 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: like various impressions about street gangs depending on where you 362 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: live and all of these things, but it's like really 363 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: worth understanding why people are forming a street gang. There 364 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: is a long history of ethnic gangs in Chicago. This 365 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: is not a nice history. It goes back into the 366 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: late nineteenth century when German and Irish youth crewed up 367 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: not with each other, but with other German and the 368 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: Germans or the Germans, the Irish, the Irish, because everyone's 369 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: fucking bullshit in order to be shitty to more recent immigrants. 370 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: That's where ethnic gangs come from in Chicago. And this 371 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: tied very happily and easily into the city's politics. The 372 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: city gave the gangs resources, and the kids would grow 373 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: up and join the more formal political structure. They all 374 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: became cops and firefighters. Oh wow, yeah, there's this this 375 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: criminal a professor guy, his names John M. Haggardorn and 376 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: his quote is the Irish gang in effect was reinvented 377 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: as the Chicago Police Department. Oh wow. Yeah, corruption and 378 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: Chicago go the long history together. Yeah. So the white 379 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: ethnic gangs continue to be fucked up, whether before joining 380 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: the cops or after joining the cops. And they did 381 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of racist shit time and time again as 382 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: black labor moved into the city. And so I feel 383 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: like this is important to understand when we talk about 384 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: the development of non white gangs in the US more broadly, right, 385 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: because like a huge part of racism is like being like, 386 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: but the gangs or whatever, you know, totally and it's like, Okay, 387 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: they came from defending themselves against you yeah for real, 388 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: which isn't to say whatever. We'll talk about some of 389 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: what they got up to, and you know it's complicated, right. 390 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: So Chasha starts a gang when he's eleven because white 391 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: gangs have been fucking with him for a year already, 392 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: since he's ten years old. He's used to white gangs, 393 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: like because the white kids in the area outnumbered everyone 394 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: else seventeen to one at that point demographically. Yeah, and 395 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: he guess his nickname because racist kids keep saying cha 396 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: cha cha every time they see him, oh wow, and 397 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: he's like, all right, fuck it, that's my name. I'm 398 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: cha cha And he just becomes a badass, you know. 399 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: And it liked be like a scary name to run 400 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: into someone who's like fucking with you. Definitely. It's like 401 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: you go and like someone's like maybe picking a fight 402 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: with you, and you're like what's your name and they're 403 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: like Tiddley winks and you're like I gotta go. I 404 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: hear my mom, Like you've seen some shit. Yeah. They 405 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: met up at a junior high school, the Young Lords. 406 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: Their founder was this darker skin Puerto Rican kid, Orlando 407 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: da Villa, who was red as black and got even 408 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: more shipped from people from which he learned to defend himself. 409 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of curious you're on this part because 410 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: it's like this is something I can like read about. 411 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: But there's this, Yeah, there's this interesting writing about race 412 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: relations into Puerto Rican immigrants. At the time, for most immigrants, 413 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: the Puerto Rican ethnicity was far more important than their 414 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: race is viewed by other people in the continental US. 415 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: So like Chacha had green eyes and light skin, Orlando 416 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: was red as black. But for the second generation American 417 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: views like mainland American group views, crept in more and 418 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: more Younger Puerto Ricans identified with black struggle, and their 419 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: parents were largely trying to distinguish themselves from black struggle. Interesting. Yeah, 420 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean I have, like, especially in my family, it's 421 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: like I have so much white privilege, you know, and 422 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: I feel like, definitely I witnessed a lot of racism 423 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: get just like crammed into my family's minds. I think, 424 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: like what I've experienced is also like a lot of 425 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: pride about like not being considered immigrants, right, even though 426 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: they have this immigrant experience, it's like the classic American 427 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: thing where it's like, well, we are one step closer 428 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: to this pyramid, the top of the pyramid than people 429 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: who are dealing with immigration status. We don't have to 430 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: deal with that. Yeah, and racism and colorism definitely was 431 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: something that I saw all the time, Okay, and yeah, 432 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like one of the things I have 433 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: the hardest time because again, I'm mostly just reading about 434 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: this stuff, and everyone who's writing has different, you know, 435 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: things that they're trying to say or not say, right, 436 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: and like so like sometimes I read about like all 437 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: of the awful inter fighting but horizontal conflict between Black 438 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: New Yorkers and Puerto Rican New Yorkers, right, And then 439 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: other places I read, I'll read about all of these 440 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: like moments of solidarity and people will be like, oh, 441 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: we all got along, and like, yeah, I have a feeling. 442 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: Then there's both maybe, you know, I think so. I 443 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: mean also, like I said, there was a generation like 444 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: who was radicalized and then after you know, not to 445 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: jump ahead, but then they experienced the fucking eighties and 446 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: it's like such disillusionment, and then my generation comes. I 447 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: feel like it's only now that I'm seeing kids like 448 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: get radicalized in the same way, you know, I feel like, 449 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: so I don't know, I think I think there is 450 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: more like solidarity now, but I also feel like a 451 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: white kid looking in right, you know. Also an interesting 452 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: thing in New York at least is the fighting between 453 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: Dominican and Puerto Rican Oh okay people. That was something 454 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: I witnessed a lot because of like immigration status and 455 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: also racism. Yeah for sure, Yeah, it's I love. Love 456 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: is not the right word, but I'm so interested in 457 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: all these things that like complicate the main stream conception 458 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: of like the racial hierarchy, right, and like, you know, 459 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: the fact that Puerto Rican immigrants would be coming from 460 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: different ethnic backgrounds with or different racial backgrounds I guess 461 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: you would say from Puerto Rico, whereas like to like 462 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: the people who live in the US, maybe it was 463 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: like whatever, you're all fucking Puerto Ricans. Fuck you, you you know, 464 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: as compared to like white Puerto Ricans and black Puerto Ricans. 465 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know enough about race relations within Puerto Rico. 466 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: I've only read about them and how they relate to 467 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: the mainland. Um. Yeah, i feel like I've definitely experienced, like, 468 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, I get this like platform and because I 469 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: feel like I just make people feel more comfortable they're like, oh, 470 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: I understand you more like, yeah, I don't have to 471 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: experience that racism. So I think certain Puerto Ricans that 472 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: are super light skinned. It's I think, I know, like 473 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: we get these you know, platforms and experience you know, 474 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: these opportunities and shit, and j Lo becomes like the 475 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: idea of what being Puerto Ricans instead of a super 476 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: complex identity. Yeah. I had no idea that Jaylo was 477 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: port Rican. But I also really, okay, this is the 478 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: like main running in joke is that I don't know 479 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: anything about pop culture. Oh my god, yeah, Ricky Martin 480 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: and jay look about Ricky Martin. Yeah yeah, I mean 481 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: I grew up thinking that was what being Porto Rican was, 482 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: so then to find out about the Young Lords is 483 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: like a mind altering moment where I'm like, wait, what, 484 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: We're like revolutionary fucking fighters. This is crazy. Yeah. I 485 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: thought we were just like pop you know, like I 486 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: was just raised with this idea of what it was. Yeah, 487 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean that, well, I guess we'll get to it. Yeah, 488 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: the death knell of everything in the eighties and all that, um, 489 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: isn't the kind of sad thing about like cool people 490 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: in history and you're like, well, if you tell the 491 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: story long enough, but there's amazing stuff along the way, 492 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: which is all any of us have as our lives anyway, right, 493 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: like all of them. So they're a gang now to 494 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: come back to Chicago nineteen fifties, and they immediately set 495 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: out and they're like eleven into fourteen, and I think 496 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: may some of them like sixteen or whatever, and they 497 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: immediately set out to do gang shit. They're really into 498 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: stealing cars you gotta have a nice car, and selling 499 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: stolen car parts as good money. Cha Cha had white 500 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: passing privilege, so he was the kid who would do 501 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: the initial stealing. Also, probably the fact that he's like 502 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: a white passing eleven year old is probably part of 503 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: how he got away with us, you know, Oh my god. Yeah, 504 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: and then the young lords immediately got to fighting anyone 505 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: who fucked with them, and they immediately started getting arrested 506 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: for weapons possession, assault, petty theft, and drugs. Most of 507 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: the fighting they did this is like where they was. 508 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: They would forcefully integrate places that were informally whites only. 509 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, when older folks would get pushed around, 510 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: like old older Puerto Rican folks and would get pushed 511 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: around or slapped for being in the wrong place. There's 512 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: like the Lake Shore Drive beach. The Young Lords would 513 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: just show up and be like, no, that's cool, allowed 514 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: to be here, Like wow, that beach in particular, they 515 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: fought with broken bottles and knives for the right to 516 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: swim there. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, all badasses, I know. 517 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: I like my friend who turned me on too. I 518 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: heard some about the Young Lords, but not like a ton, right, 519 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: and my friends like, you really need to an episode 520 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: on them. And it ties into there's like some stuff 521 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: that keeps coming up over over and over again. We're 522 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: going to talk about tuberculosis in this episode for some reason. 523 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Tuberculosis this running theme throughout all these things, and it's 524 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: going to come up, but not yet, okay, but yeah, 525 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: so and the white gangs would fight back, right, you know, 526 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: the I presume German, German and an Irish gangs would 527 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: fight back and try and fight the Young Lords and 528 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: be like, no, we wont our whites only beach or whatever. 529 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: But eventually the white gangs were lented. And I'm under 530 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: the impression this isn't less because the Young Lords always won, 531 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: and more because they always fought and I think that 532 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: this is how oppressive power works. You don't even need 533 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: to all always win. You just need to keep fighting 534 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: and they'll back off first because they have more to lose, right, 535 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: they're more privileged. Wow, wouldn't a great lesson to like 536 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: keep in mind. Yeah. Yeah. When Shasha was fifteen, he 537 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: found himself increasingly in charge of the gang because he 538 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: was willing to do the paperwork for the gang perwork entail. 539 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: So he was the business manager, and he would raise 540 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: money to get everyone in the gang black and purple 541 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: sweaters and yeah, and they would throw soul dance parties 542 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: and that's how they would raise the money. And so 543 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: he was this fundraiser. Yeah, and he was like he 544 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to throw down, but he was always also 545 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: trying to figure out non violent solutions to most problems. 546 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: He still fought a lot. He got arrested twenty times 547 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: over the course of his young life, like only a 548 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: couple of years. So I really like this, Like this 549 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: is my favorite version of non violence, is the like, 550 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: our preference is not violence, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 551 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna swim at this beach non violently ideally. Yeah, 552 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: all right, So then he's sixteen, and he might be 553 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: fifteen or something. I get the year something happened and 554 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: not the age of the person. So I do rough 555 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: math and he gets sentenced to I don't remember. We 556 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: get a caught for this time. He gets sentenced to 557 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: go live in Puerto Rico for a year. The judge 558 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: is like, WHOA, yeah, I didn't know this was a thing. 559 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: It was an assault that would have had him in 560 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: prison for years. And I think that the judge was 561 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: just actually like, you, dumb fucking kid, go get out 562 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: of here, you know, like wow. Yeah. So he goes 563 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico and while he's there he tries to 564 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: get up to all his usual shit. At one point 565 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: he steals a horse to ride off to go hot 566 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: wire a priest's car in order to go see a girl. 567 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: He likes, wow, yeah exactly, I know. But they catch him, 568 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: and they don't throw him in jail when he's in 569 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. Instead, they chew him out in public, like 570 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: I think, in like the town square. Basically a priest 571 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: and then an older woman just like yell at him 572 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: for being a fuck up in front of everyone. Oh 573 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: my god, And this works. I mean, he doesn't like 574 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: one eighty, but it's way more effective than getting sent 575 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: to jail, and going to Puerto Rico is like a 576 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: sea change. His two main sea change moments about how 577 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: he becomes who he becomes, and going to Puerto Rico 578 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: as one of them. He did come back in a 579 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: week later go to jail for stealing a toaster, so 580 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: he's not one eighty. New habits they take a little 581 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: while to catch on, much like what also takes a 582 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: wild catch on our products and services. And that's why 583 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you have to hear about them over and over again 584 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: before they stick in your mind. And you know that. 585 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: We've had really bad sponsors lately. The main bad one 586 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: is Reagan Gold, So go buy gold. That'll teach them. 587 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: And we're back. Oh we should have thought of. Now 588 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: that we're back from a break, I want to go 589 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: back to being sponsored by really nice stuff. Historically some 590 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: of the things that we got sponsored by. For a 591 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: long time, we were sponsored by the concept of Potatoes. 592 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: We've also been sponsored well not officially, but our unofficial 593 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: sponsors the concept of potatoes, and we've also been sponsored 594 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: by like a nice comb. The Happy Sleeping Dogs is 595 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: a good sponsor for the show. So I'm wondering if 596 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: you have any sponsors you'd like us. When Sophie is back, 597 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: Sophie will get us sponsored by by whatever you want. Um. 598 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, lately, I've been really into baby elephants in general, 599 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: especially baby elephants bathing. Okay, okay, so if that's if 600 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: that's a possibility, we can do it. Sophie is really 601 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: good at shit, and this show is brought to you 602 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: by baby elephants bathing. Go wash videos of baby elephants 603 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: and see them be cute, and that is substantially better 604 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: than behind Gold. In nineteen sixty six in Chicago, you 605 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: have the Division Street riots. Chicago declared Puerto Rican Week, 606 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: which included the city's first Puerto Rican parade. Cops were there, Yeah, 607 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: and the cops were super respect No, the cops were 608 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: being cops. So they shot someone. They shot someone in 609 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: the leg during the celebrations, and so crowd showed up, 610 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: and then cops sicked a dog on someone and the 611 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: crowd went wild, and the rioting went on for three days, 612 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: destroying fifty white owned businesses that ran through a Puerto 613 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: Rican neighborhood. And Shaha was sitting in jail during this, 614 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: and he was just like for something else, maybe the toaster, 615 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, And so he's just cheering it on, right, 616 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: He's like, go, kids, go, this rules. You know. Yeah. 617 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: Other Young Lords are involved in the organizing in the 618 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: wake of it for structural change, and a bunch of 619 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: new groups pop up in the wake of this. And 620 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: the most influential one, or the one that I keep 621 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: writing about in the books that I was reading about 622 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: this is the Latin American Defense Organization or Lado LATO, 623 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: and they rule. They spread across the country. They bring 624 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: together working class Latin Americans. And but the Young Lords 625 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: they're not ready to be a socialist organization quite yet. 626 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: In fact, they're starting to drift apart. Members grew up, 627 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: they get married, they join the military. They could a 628 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: prison for a long time because they keep doing crime. 629 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, Cha Cha is in prison again. 630 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: I think he's doing a six day stint for heroin possession. 631 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: This is another thing no one likes talking about in 632 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: all the history Everyone who's listening to heard me go 633 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: on about this before. But like they always cut so 634 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: much shit out of history books. They never talk about 635 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: how a bunch of our heroes were drug users. How 636 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: a bunch of our heroes were sex workers, A bunch 637 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: of our heroes were like had specific political ideologies, like 638 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: like there's all this stuff that gets cut out. And 639 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: so I don't know much about Chato's drug use. I 640 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: do know a lot about how the Young Lords dealt 641 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,479 Speaker 1: with heroin use in New York. And we'll talk about 642 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: that later. Oh, really interesting him. That cool, It's really interesting. Yeah, 643 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm I kept whatever. I'm really excited about this. 644 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: Everyone knows this. So he's doing a sixty day stint 645 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: for heroin possession and in prison. This is his second 646 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: Sea change moment. A bunch of shit that happens solidifies 647 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: his future politics. First, he's in prison when m Okay 648 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: is assassinated. Second, a bunch of Spanish speaking prisoners, including him, 649 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: get thrown into solitary for basically no reason, and a 650 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: guard tries to call him white in order to get 651 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: black prisoners to beat him up to like race bait 652 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: people against each other. But a black prisoner stood up 653 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: for him, and that black prisoner said a few simple 654 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: words that everyone needs to shout from time to time. 655 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up, you pig wow, And so chatchas like, oh, 656 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: cross racial solidarity is real, right, And while he's in solitary, 657 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 1: he likes to read. And the Nation of Islam has 658 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: prison is in prisons because they're bigger, rested a lot, 659 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: and they would get themselves jobs in prison libraries in 660 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: order to provide radical books to people, which is fucking rat. 661 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: And so he starts reading Martin Luther King. He starts 662 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: reading Malcolm X. He also started reading a book called 663 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,479 Speaker 1: The Seventh Story Mountain, written by a radical Catholic monk 664 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: named Thomas Merton. Oh, gonna look that up immediately. Yeah, 665 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: he was super social justice in his faith. He was 666 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: really into interfaith understandings, Like all of his like theological 667 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: books are about like why Catholicism isn't the only way, 668 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: even though it's his way or whatever, how different people 669 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: from different religions can get along and understand each other 670 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: and like including not just like the monotheistic religions. But 671 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: like he writes a lot about I didn't write this 672 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: in my script, but I think it was Buddhism, but 673 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember. And he's really into writing fighting racism 674 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: in war, and he has this quote, I really like 675 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: the world is full of great criminals with enormous power, 676 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 1: and they are in a death struggle with each other. 677 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: It is a huge gang battle, using well meaning lawyers 678 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: and policemen and clergymen as their front, controlling papers, means 679 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: of communication, and enrolling everybody in their armies. Wow yeah, 680 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: so yeah, what is this sname again? His name is 681 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: Thomas Murton. I haven't read his books yet, I am, 682 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: but I really like this weird like, yeah, he reads 683 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: m Okay, he reads Malcolmax, he reads Thomas Murton. And 684 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: then he gets out of prison. He's like, you know, 685 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: we need something like the Black Panthers. Good thing. I'm 686 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: the leader of a gang. Nice what will he do? 687 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: Who's to say? You certainly can't go read a book 688 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: or some article on some website. You have to wait 689 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: until Wednesday for part two of this epic four part 690 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: series on the Young Lords. But first, before people wait 691 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: until Wednesday, they should hear more about you and what 692 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: you've been working on and how people can find you. Well. 693 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: I actually am working on a new album, so that's 694 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: really exciting. I just put out an album last year 695 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: called Life on Earth. My band's called Hooray for the 696 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: Riff Raff. And you can find me on all the 697 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: social media's, even though Twitter scares the fuck out of me, 698 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: so I don't really hang out there. I'm like trying 699 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: to figure out how to exist on the internet without 700 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: it severely damaging me. I think we all are. Yeah, 701 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: but Instagram, you know all those places you could probably 702 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: see me on tour. You should do that definitely. When 703 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: are you going on tour? I'll be on tour in 704 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: May on the West Coast. I don't know when this 705 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: will come out, come on in July for then. Oh cool. 706 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: So I'll be on tour in May on the West 707 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: Coast and in July i'll be like through the Midwest 708 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: and some other places. Yeah. Yeah, And you seriously owe 709 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: it to yourself to go check out Hurry for the 710 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: riff Raff if you haven't heard it before, or if 711 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: you came here to listen to this because you like Alinda. 712 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and I hope you stick around for Wednesday. 713 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: And you can follow me on the internet at Magpie 714 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: Kill Joe on Twitter, which I also hate, but I'm there. 715 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: You're so good at it though, thank you. All I 716 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: do is get really sad about it at least once 717 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: a week and Instagram at Margaret Killjoy, where I mostly 718 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: post pictures of my dog as I go hyping really 719 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: cute dog. Thanks, I like him and I will see 720 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: everyone on Wednesday. Farewell. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff 721 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: is a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts 722 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: on cool Zone Media, visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com, 723 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 724 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.