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Speaker 1: Welcome to Local Radio Season seven, take us to your network,

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Speaker 1: Ola locomotives. Welcome back to radio. I'm Theosa and I

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Speaker 1: am Mala. Thanks for tuning into one. Today we're talking

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Speaker 1: Let's start with a vocabulary review. The word yeah, you

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Speaker 1: and we've talked about words being reclaimed. Um, we've done

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Speaker 1: counter narratives for many years now, and so I was

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Speaker 1: this literally ten steps of how to be a Chinona

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Speaker 1: and it's very it's very short, so I'll read it quickly. One.

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Speaker 1: Live for your own approval, Center yourself, be alone, create

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Speaker 1: your own space to discover your own power. What floods

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Speaker 1: you with joy? Three? Find true humility and practice it.

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Speaker 1: Four keep your pallaba your word. Five what are you

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Speaker 1: Your only true possessions are your actions. Seven, Seek Forgiveness. Eight,

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Speaker 1: Live in the Present movement nine. Depression has a purpose.

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Speaker 1: If you use it before it uses you transform it

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Speaker 1: to light composted through art. If you can't do it

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Speaker 1: by yourself, see a professional healer or therapist can listen

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Speaker 1: to your body. And so that was my first introduction

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Speaker 1: gana renaissance on Instagram specifically and Santa Season. It also

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Speaker 1: right to be a Chingana, to aspire to be one.

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Speaker 1: going to be a field trip. So yeah, everybody, I

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Speaker 1: you've seen it, but we're naming We're naming it. Yeah, alright, y'all. Well,

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