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Speaker 1: important enough to me and not maybe not like important

437
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Speaker 1: for the world, but important to me, then I need

438
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: to learn every piece of the business. And so it took.

439
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 1: I ended the political podcast so that I had space

440
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: and understanding, and I did a little bit of like

441
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Speaker 1: a tour, like I went around and tested ideas with people,

442
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 1: people I respected, people that I didn't know as well,

443
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: that were maybe in the media industry, and said I

444
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: have this idea. I actually had two ideas at the time.

445
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: One became she pivots, interviewing women to understand how they

446
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: go through something and come out better on the other

447
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: side with a different career. And I actually had a

448
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: second idea at the time, also about raising sensitive boys,

449
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: that my son is incredibly sensitive, and I didn't see

450
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: anything in current culture about celebrating his sensitivity. It was

451
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: all about overcoming it. So I wrote articles on both

452
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Speaker 1: of them, and I pulled them both in magazines, and

453
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,239
Speaker 1: the sensitive son one ended up becoming the number one

454
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Speaker 1: article on Reclare for I think about a month, and

455
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Speaker 1: then I launched one with sheep pivots, But I kept

456
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Speaker 1: them both going at the same time to see, like,

457
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Speaker 1: which feels right, which feels worthy enough for me to

458
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Speaker 1: really lean into. But even as I was putting these

459
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Speaker 1: things out into the world and saying this is my

460
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Speaker 1: culture change moment, this is my new thing, I was

461
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Speaker 1: still having a lot of doubt in myself one that

462
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Speaker 1: anybody wanted to hear anything cultural from me, except for, like,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, political commentary. And part of the reason I

464
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: had that doubt was actually external doubt that I had

465
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: shopped these ideas around to every talent agency and nobody

466
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: knew what to do with me. They were like, oh,

467
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Speaker 1: we like you, Emily, we like you a lot, but

468
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: like your background's news and you're not trying to be

469
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Speaker 1: a news anchor, so we really don't know what to

470
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Speaker 1: do with this concept. So I really got that external

471
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Speaker 1: feedback that like it didn't live anywhere, And I was

472
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Speaker 1: also struggling to feel like it was real enough, Like

473
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Speaker 1: I changed laws, I worked with. The White House is

474
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: sitting around talking about how I really hated being locked

475
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Speaker 1: in with three babies. Good enough, right, Like I really

476
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Speaker 1: struggled with that.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you said that you wanted to learn

478
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Speaker 2: all different aspects of the business of what it would

479
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: take to create this new type of podcast for yourself.

480
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: What was the most challenging one for you to get

481
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Speaker 2: into to really feel like you could.

482
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Speaker 1: Grasp, well, I understanding the actual mechanics of audio was

483
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Speaker 1: like a real ya. I still wouldn't say I really

484
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: got that. I did a lot of like making pillow

485
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Speaker 1: forts and sitting in them, a lot of trying that,

486
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Speaker 1: so those went pretty badly. Eventually I figured out that

487
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Speaker 1: I could outsource that piece in a good way, but

488
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Speaker 1: I also really felt like it was important for me

489
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: because I had this big insecurity around does anybody want

490
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: to hear anything about culture change from me? And is

491
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: it important enough? I really felt like I needed a

492
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Speaker 1: media partner for it. So I went around, and you know,

493
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Speaker 1: the agencies wouldn't take me as a client and pitch me.

494
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Speaker 1: So I did it myself. And so I went out

495
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Speaker 1: and found contacts at all these different kinds of media

496
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: agencies and so pitching to them differently. You know, some

497
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even take a meeting with me. Some would take

498
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Speaker 1: it and then say, well, you're not really what we're

499
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: looking for. It was a lot of rejection and so

500
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: being able to pitch myself in a way that felt

501
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: good and important enough when I really doubted it myself,

502
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: I say that that was a That was an interesting

503
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Speaker 1: piece of the journey too.

504
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that hear this and

505
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: they think to themselves, wow, I wish I could even

506
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Speaker 2: begin to garner that level of self belief because despite

507
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: the amount of rejection that you received, you were still

508
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: willing to, as the kids say, stand on business right.

509
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: You were still willing to put yourself out there. So

510
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Speaker 2: for someone that comes to you and has that level

511
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Speaker 2: of concern that says, I don't even know if I

512
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Speaker 2: could ever do that, if I could ever be the

513
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Speaker 2: person that has that much confidence in myself to go

514
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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to them? Well, I take the

516
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Speaker 1: advice of this same as when I was meeting with

517
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: people who were coming out of college networking for jobs

518
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: is to understand who you're meeting with and have a

519
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: really specific ask for them in that and understand what

520
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: level they are compared to you. Right like, if you're

521
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: just out of college or if you're re entering the workforce,

522
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: go to the people that you know really well and say,

523
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Speaker 1: what are my skill sets? Like you can see it

524
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: differently than I can, how would you pitch me? And

525
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: that can help you build and really be crystal clear

526
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Speaker 1: about what you're pitching, what you should lean into, and

527
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Speaker 1: how you should talk about yourself. And then once you're

528
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Speaker 1: ready to enter a different industry than you've been in,

529
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Speaker 1: or maybe expand the industry, then you can go one

530
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Speaker 1: step remove to the people you might be like you

531
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Speaker 1: know one or two connections away from on LinkedIn and say, hey,

532
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Speaker 1: would you take a meeting with me? But once you've

533
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Speaker 1: done that, once you've gone to someone who's step in

534
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Speaker 1: that industry. You do need to be prepared. You can't

535
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: waste their time. That's not the person that you have

536
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Speaker 1: a brainstorm in conversation with and it's like, what do

537
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: you think I should do? Like I just sort of

538
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: love this field, you know, like that's the kind of

539
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Speaker 1: all you have with your girlfriend. Yeah, have it with them,

540
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: and then once you've got that really solid, then you

541
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: can make the leap to talk to someone who's like

542
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: steeped in the industry, but also that part as well.

543
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Speaker 2: Have that conversation with your girlfriends. So often when it

544
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: comes to career, you know, we think about getting together

545
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: with the girls and we're talking about like who knows

546
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Speaker 2: what what happened over the weekend and kind of trying

547
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Speaker 2: to take a break from maybe the madness that is

548
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: the work week. But your friends, your squad can be

549
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: truly the best place to pulse check so many things

550
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Speaker 2: when it comes to what it is that you're doing

551
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: and who it is that you want to be. When

552
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: you said, just now, okay, what do you perceive of me?

553
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: These are people that know you front and back. Why

554
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Speaker 2: don't you ask them?

555
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: Right?

556
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Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't think Okay, I actually

557
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: have this built in support squad that can give me

558
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: some really great feedback relevant to you know, beyond what

559
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: we're doing on the weekends here.

560
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, we don't even realize how strong our skills are,

561
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to interpersonal skills and EQ. We

562
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: are often very strong in these spaces and can be

563
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Speaker 1: leaders among our peers. And especially if you're just born

564
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: that way, you may not realize that's a skill.

565
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Speaker 2: And sometimes just born that way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

566
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Speaker 2: just a natural leader, but you may not realize it. Yeah.

567
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Speaker 1: I had a really interesting conversation in the last couple

568
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Speaker 1: of months with someone, you know, I have young kids.

569
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Speaker 1: I'm in a community people with young kids. A mom

570
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Speaker 1: who has three kids, who hasn't worked outside of the

571
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Speaker 1: home in about twelve years. And she said to me, well,

572
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Speaker 1: I really haven't worked and I don't have any skills.

573
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Speaker 1: And I was like, ugh, hold up, you are a

574
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Speaker 1: leader among your peers, you are incredibly organized, you have

575
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Speaker 1: a ton of skills. And what actually made me insane

576
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Speaker 1: is that she was like, well, my husband said I

577
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: really need business skills, and I was like, you have

578
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: business skills, you just have been applying them in a

579
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: different context. You need someone outside of you to tell

580
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: you that you have those skills and apply them in

581
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Speaker 1: this context. But you absolutely have them.

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes you just need that other to kind

583
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: of like remind you who the hell that you are.

584
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Speaker 2: I was having this really beautiful conversation with a friend

585
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Speaker 2: yesterday about this broader concept of confidence, and confidence isn't

586
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Speaker 2: something that just drops down overnight on the lucky chosen right.

587
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: Confidence is something that comes from repetition.

588
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: And so when you take the time on the days

589
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: that you feel good, on the days that you feel bad,

590
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: on the days that you feel med, and you still

591
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: show up anyway, that is where confidence comes from.

592
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Speaker 1: I would even build on that and say and doing

593
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Speaker 1: hard things that you are never going to gain confidence

594
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Speaker 1: by always doing things that come easily. Otherwise there's nothing

595
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: to build on. You have to do things that are

596
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: hard to be able to have any semblance of confidence

597
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: and really feel like you know who you are.

598
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so for you, the hard thing is starting

599
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 2: this podcast at the time you are in pillow forts,

600
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: you're brainstorming, you're shopping these ideas. When do you really

601
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: feel like you're starting to garner the momentum?

602
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: I think when I put the well I did. The

603
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Speaker 1: big one is that I got a handful of guests

604
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that I felt really good about. So I said, let

605
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: me just try this. I'm going to try something that

606
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: feels concrete that I can pull off. I can do

607
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: ten guests in a season, I can have an arc,

608
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: and let me start to go out to people whose

609
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: either stories haven't been told or people whose stories may

610
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: have been told but never this aspect of it, because

611
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: I really wanted to uplift the personal piece out of

612
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: their professional narratives. Once I had a little bit of

613
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Speaker 1: that idea and that roster together, I did find a

614
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: partner who really believed in me, and it was a

615
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: partner that I really expected. It was Marie Clair Magazine,

616
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: so they were willing to take me on as the

617
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Speaker 1: first podcast for the magazine. I became a contributing editor

618
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: for the business column for the business section of the magazine,

619
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Speaker 1: which also felt like a little strange to me, like

620
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Speaker 1: I was coming out of government and policy. I wasn't

621
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Speaker 1: really sure I could be a business reporter, but it

622
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Speaker 1: was understanding that it was kind of the same skill

623
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Speaker 1: set that I was applying across the board, and the

624
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: fact that they were willing to take that chance on me.

625
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: It made me feel I would never really say that

626
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: I've had like a full imposter syndrome, but I was like,

627
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, I pulled it off, Like I'm still

628
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: checking to see if this idea is real, and they

629
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: believe in me enough to launch this with me, like

630
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: they believe they are taking a chance on me building

631
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Speaker 1: their brand. Like I kind of pulled it off.

632
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you pulled it off. And then in practice, how

633
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: did it feel?

634
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: It felt good. Yeah, it felt really good. I loved

635
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: doing the interviews. It took me a while to get

636
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Speaker 1: into the rhythm. I still had to check myself about

637
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: being personal in any way because I was very good

638
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: at cable news. I was very good at being buttoned

639
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: up clear. She was well media trained. She was well

640
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: media trained, Like people don't realize, but it's a real

641
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: skill to be able to pull new thoughts in your

642
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: head and never move your head and never move your

643
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Speaker 1: eyes so like always look straight. Like I was really

644
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Speaker 1: good at that. And even if you listened to the

645
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: early at like the early episodes of my show, I

646
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: basically edited myself out of it entirely, like you barely

647
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Speaker 1: ever hear me asking questions, yeah, because I didn't feel

648
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Speaker 1: secure in it.

649
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Speaker 2: Taking a break from today's episode to give some love

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Speaker 2: Because to you here, you're saying you don't hear me

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Speaker 2: ask questions. I remember early on a mentor of mine

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Speaker 2: said that people are going to come back to your podcast,

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Speaker 2: yes because they are good guests, but because they like you.

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Speaker 2: And so if you aren't having a conversation, if you're

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Speaker 2: just there being a talking head and asking through a

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Speaker 2: list of questions, then you're going to lose people. So

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Speaker 2: that was the best piece of advice that I had

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Speaker 2: got that I received.

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Speaker 1: So what was yours? Well, the feedback actually came from

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Speaker 1: the guests. At the end of every episode or the

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Speaker 1: end of every conversation I've interviewed, the guests would say,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I've never shared it like that before.

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Speaker 1: I have never shared so much. I've never felt so

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Speaker 1: good about a conversation. And after doing that capsule of ten,

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, you know what, I am kind

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Speaker 1: of good at this, and I don't have to hide

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Speaker 1: behind the guest story. People can hear me ask the

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Speaker 1: questions too. And so from the end of the first

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Speaker 1: season to the beginning of the second season you'll hear

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Speaker 1: like a real shift in the way that we edit

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Speaker 1: the show, because is I keep more of my question

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Speaker 1: asking and more of my edit in And that really

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Speaker 1: did come from the guest But I actually had a

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Speaker 1: big hurdle even before that, is that I had this big,

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Speaker 1: you know, insecurity that I'm trying to overcome. And I

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Speaker 1: put together an email list of all my personal and

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Speaker 1: professional contacts to announce the facts that I am now

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Speaker 1: doing a personal podcast and I'm sunsetting my career as

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Speaker 1: a political strategist, which also felt like I thought everyone

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Speaker 1: was going to laugh me out of town. Although I

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Speaker 1: was already gone, I couldn't tell if I cared, and

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Speaker 1: you know, saying this personal thing and saying that I struggled,

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Speaker 1: and it was so vulnerable and I'm trying to have

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Speaker 1: a new identity around it, and I launch it, and

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Speaker 1: I launch it with this podcast called Pivot, and I

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Speaker 1: knew enough that I had to trademark it, or I

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Speaker 1: at least had to do a trademark check. So I

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Speaker 1: had hired an intellectual property attorney to do a trademark

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Speaker 1: check for me. And one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: had done in creating like all the different like the

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Speaker 1: business of the show, is that I had created different

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Speaker 1: formats for it. So one of them is that it

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Speaker 1: would be an award and then I would get to

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Speaker 1: interview people after I gave them the award. I did

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Speaker 1: not have a very ip attorney. They had done the

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Speaker 1: trademark check as the copyright the check as Pivot Awards,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't tell me that. So within two weeks

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Speaker 1: of launching the show, I get a cease and desist

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Speaker 1: order from Vox Media, who owns the parent company that

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Speaker 1: owns the podcast called Pivot, and I'm like, it's all gone.

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Speaker 1: I just did this major, I just rebranded myself and

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Speaker 1: I screwed it up. And I went through almost two

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Speaker 1: months of back and forth them saying well, here's the

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Speaker 1: kinds of names you can use, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: but none of them were pivot. And going through that

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Speaker 1: really solidified for me that once I'm going to fight

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Speaker 1: for this, I care enough to do it. And two

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Speaker 1: it's the pivot that I care about. No other name

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Speaker 1: or title was acceptable to me. My mom gave me

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Speaker 1: the idea for she Pivots, and at first I had

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Speaker 1: I was. I was like, well, maybe I want to

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Speaker 1: interview a man from time to time, and then I

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Speaker 1: realized I actually don't care. So I was fine with

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Speaker 1: she pivots.

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Speaker 2: So it was fine after I realized that men don't

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Speaker 2: need to be in the space.

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Speaker 1: We've heard enough. We've already been there. Yeah, we've heard

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Speaker 1: enough from men.

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Speaker 2: And so I mean, at first you hear it, you'r

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Speaker 2: lukewarm to the idea, and then you really get on board.

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Speaker 2: For you, when you get on board, do you feel

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Speaker 2: it deep in your you feel in your chest?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fighting for it. Oh yeah, I just fought

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Speaker 1: for this and I care. I care way more than

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Speaker 1: I realized that I did. Okay, And so she Pivots

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Speaker 1: is born. She Pivots is born.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, And so now, as you said, you go

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Speaker 2: through that first season. The second season becomes more in

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Speaker 2: depth than the third, and so on.

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Speaker 1: You've done four Uh, yeah, we're going into season five now, yep.

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Speaker 2: Yep, going into season I've had about one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty five guests. Can you imagine four seasons ago saying

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Speaker 2: that sentence out loud?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? The lift to get to ten the

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Speaker 1: first ten in the first season is probably the same

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Speaker 1: lift that it's been afterwards. Yeah, it was so it

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Speaker 1: just felt so big and so hard, and everything felt

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Speaker 1: like a decision. No, I never could have I never

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Speaker 1: could have amenda with it.

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Speaker 2: You know, you talked about how important it was to

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Speaker 2: you to really make sure that your guests were telling

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Speaker 2: stories in ways that maybe they hadn't told these stories before.

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Speaker 2: When you reflect yourself on some of the stories that

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Speaker 2: you've told, what comes to mind for you when you

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Speaker 2: think about maybe some of the things that you've spoken

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Speaker 2: about before but haven't really brought new light to as

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Speaker 2: of late.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm incredibly proud of the vulnerability that the show brings,

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Speaker 1: the level that people feel comfortable telling me different aspects

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Speaker 1: of the story that are so personal they often I'm

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Speaker 1: really the thesis of the show is to integrate the

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Speaker 1: personal into the professional, to show why we've made these

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Speaker 1: professional choices and how we're better because of this personal

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Speaker 1: thing that we went through. And we're just not used

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Speaker 1: to thinking of our lives that way. We're not used

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Speaker 1: to thinking of our professional stories that way. So I'm

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Speaker 1: incredibly proud that I've helped the people who have gone

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Speaker 1: through it even make that connection for themselves. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of what I've learned through going through the interviews

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Speaker 1: is that it brings out a different vulnerability in me

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Speaker 1: that I'm willing to say things that are personal and

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Speaker 1: willing to talk about things that are personal, and I

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Speaker 1: get more and more comfortable with it as I go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, now that you have this platform and this

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Speaker 2: place to get personal, when you think back to the

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Speaker 2: woman who felt so alone, who felt so othered in

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Speaker 2: this otherwise very quote unquote normal experience, what comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of how far I've come. I really talking

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Speaker 1: about pivoting. It's become a much more popular word and

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Speaker 1: much more popular concept, which I think is only for

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Speaker 1: the better. The more we're talking about it, the more

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Speaker 1: people are likely to get touched by some conversation, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully they feel connection to it. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: hear as I talk about it right now, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty clear on talking about how not excited I felt

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Speaker 1: about being pregnant, how alone I felt in all of it,

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Speaker 1: how little connection I felt to even my own babies.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that that is still hard to talk

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Speaker 1: about and hard to hear. I think for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, really specific in talking about it, because I

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Speaker 1: felt like there was no one that could have felt

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Speaker 1: more alone in those feelings than me, Like it was

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Speaker 1: so unacceptable to feel those things. So I don't sugarcoat

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Speaker 1: it in any way. I don't try to give it

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Speaker 1: a positive lens. Now. It was what it was, and

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Speaker 1: I will say that now because of that, I really

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Speaker 1: have unique relationships with each of my kids, and I

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Speaker 1: parent them for who they are, and I don't do

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Speaker 1: it because of what I'm trying to project on them.

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Speaker 1: I am proud of the relationship that I have with

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Speaker 1: my kids, and I think it's in some ways different

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Speaker 1: than other people's. But I can live with my parenting

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Speaker 1: choices because they're all my own. How does motherhood make

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Speaker 1: you feel?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Now? I feel joy around it. I think that being

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Speaker 1: with my kids has I think They're super interesting, Like

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Speaker 1: they see things differently than I do. And there it's

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Speaker 1: brought out a lot of things that I thought adults

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Speaker 1: couldn't do. We're like thought was embarrassing, you know, Like

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Speaker 1: I jump in the pool with my clothes on. I

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Speaker 1: have the biggest bruise you've ever seen on the back

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Speaker 1: of my leg cause I fell out of a tree

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Speaker 1: because we were limbing trees. We have farm animals now,

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Speaker 1: things that I never thought were possible as an adult,

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Speaker 1: and things that I never definitely never thought when I

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Speaker 1: was like a power lady in a power suit, like

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, Like I definitely never thought would be

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Speaker 1: part of my life. Right, I'm proud of who they are,

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Speaker 1: and I'm proud that I bring them along with I'm

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Speaker 1: honest with them, and I'm proud of how I bring

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Speaker 1: them along with me and my work. And I think

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Speaker 1: they're becoming. They will be great adults. They will be

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Speaker 1: great adults. Yeah, Like that's how I parent them, Like

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Speaker 1: I think about what kind of adults they would be

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Speaker 1: and what kind of lessons they have to learn now,

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Speaker 1: And part of that is building confidence. Not everything can

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Speaker 1: be easy.

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Speaker 2: Not everything can be easy, And I mean going back

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Speaker 2: to talking about how at the time, when you were

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Speaker 2: working in Washington, DC, you didn't really feel like you

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Speaker 2: had any sort of steady, consistent wellness routine. What does

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Speaker 2: wellness and taking care of yourself look like these days?

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Speaker 2: It's incredibly different.

872
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: While I was building sheep pivots actually really coincides with

873
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: my own not to sound cliche, but like wellness journey

874
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: along with it. You know, I had gained so much

875
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: weight with my first pregnancy, really hadn't lost it before

876
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: the second, had lost most of it before the third,

877
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: but then gained about sixty pounds again, and that coincides

878
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: with as I'm redoing my life like I had always.

879
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: There was a piece of me that, when I was

880
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: still working in politics, felt like if I dedicate as

881
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: much mental energy and time as it's going to take

882
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: to lose this weight, people will look at me and

883
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: think I'm not serious about my job. Everything has to

884
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: be being serious about my job. And so all of

885
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, I had no job and I had to

886
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: redo the whole thing. It was also during the lockdown,

887
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: and I thought I cannot come out of this with

888
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: the same body that doesn't feel like it's mine. I

889
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of health problems. They had thought I

890
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: had a breast cancer scare after I had had the

891
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: second Maybe I did not have it. I slipped a

892
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: disc from delivery. My abs were totally separated, like I

893
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: had just had a lot of issues from not just

894
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: the pregnancies and the deliveries, but also carrying so much

895
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: weight for about five years, and I thought, I cannot

896
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: come out of this the same person. I have to

897
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: really prioritize this and take this seriously. So before my

898
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: third baby was one years old, I went down to

899
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: a health clinic in Florida. I went for two weeks.

900
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: It's called Critticken. It's for people who are basically old

901
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: and I have heart disease. I was neither of those things. Nevertheless,

902
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: that program really worked for me. Why did you choose that, Loe?

903
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: Why did I choose it? It's a great question. I

904
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: think probably because I'm a vegan and always have been,

905
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: and so it could work for me. And so the diet,

906
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of like an outdated idea of

907
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: what dieting is, or like what eating healthy is, and

908
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: it's very vegetables. First, didn't I felt like every other

909
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: like nutrition or you know diet or like anything I

910
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: had looked at was like, well, if I'm not going

911
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: to eat fish, but this one was very vegetables first

912
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: and vegetable protein first, and so that really worked for me,

913
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: and I super focused on it, and I lost the

914
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: rest of the weight and got tone within about six months.

915
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

916
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: And it was a very serious endeavor for me, and

917
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: it really has changed my life where I'm stronger than

918
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: I've ever been. Fitness is a very serious part of

919
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: my life now and it really never had been before,

920
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: Like I really prioritize it in my day. I do

921
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: something pretty aggressively active every day, and it's changed my

922
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 1: relationship to me even change my relationship to my kids

923
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: and parenting that I hadn't realized how much I was

924
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: always trying to end the play or not play the sport,

925
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: or not pick them up, like because it was hard

926
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: for me. And now because I'm strong, I'm driving it

927
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: or I can stay in it with them, and it's

928
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: made our relationship much happier, much more joyful.

929
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: Beyond the diet component of it, you talk about doing

930
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: something physically demanding every day, what does the movement component

931
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: of your overall wehill and this routine look like.

932
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: I'll do pretty heavy weights two to three times a week.

933
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: I've been working with the same trainer he helped me

934
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: rehab my back after the slip discs. I've been working

935
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: with him for a long time, very dedicated to him.

936
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: But we do it outdoors. I really care about there

937
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: being a lot of natural light, so I'll be outdoors

938
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: almost any time that I can. Beyond that, I might

939
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: take a class. I really like like a good heavy movement,

940
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: like a hard you know, like a like a tremble

941
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't love a yoga. My running

942
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: goes in waves. It's usually pretty bad. But I will

943
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: at least do like a good hard, aggressive walk with

944
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: a weight to invest on to try to get that

945
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: in everything. She's a rocker.

946
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So talk about a one eighty right,

947
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: because you went from this place of really not putting

948
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: any heavy emphasis on this for yourself to now really

949
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: investing in yourself. I firmly believe that when you take

950
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: the time to invest in yourself, there is nothing to

951
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: regret in that because it only pays back to you

952
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: and gives you that real word tenfold.

953
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: It has been incredibly warning, but I have to say that.

954
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I also think there's like an edge of it, Like

955
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I do think to some degree we thinking about ourselves

956
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: too much. And I use it as a tool to

957
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: let me live the life that I want to live.

958
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't organize my entire day around figuring out the

959
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: right fitness class that I want to go to, Like

960
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: if I can't do it in a way that fits

961
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: into my day and gives me the ability to accomplish

962
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: the things that I want, then I throw on a

963
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: vest and I go outside, Like I don't overthink it.

964
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I do think that's an important piece that there's a

965
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 1: balance to it too, because I do see a lot

966
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: of I think people overthink like am I doing it

967
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: exactly right? Am I getting exactly the right routine? Am

968
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: I doing the skin thing whatever it needs to be?

969
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: And I think, to some toge we're thinking about ourselves

970
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, I hear that.

971
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: I also think that when it comes to such a

972
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: big transformation like the one that you've had, there's a

973
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: lot of quote unquote shoulding yourself typically involved in that,

974
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Like you probably we're exposed to so many different things

975
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: that you could do and constantly wondering should I be

976
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: doing this, Should I be doing that?

977
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: Should I be doing that?

978
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: How did you get to a point where you were

979
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: able to listen to yourself intuitively and trust that the

980
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: path that you were on was the right path for you.

981
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I think probably once I started to see results from it,

982
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: Like once I started to get stronger, once I started

983
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: to feel stronger, I think that I was like, oh, okay,

984
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: this is worth it, this is right. And once I

985
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: started to be able to be much more active with

986
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: my kids and pick them up quite quite frankly. Yeah, Oh,

987
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: it's so.

988
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: Special and it's so rewarding, and it's just now that

989
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: you're in this place, As someone who also went for

990
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: her own health journey, I can sympathize and relate to

991
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: You can't imagine going back.

992
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: No, No, I really can't. It's like a very strict

993
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: part of my day, my week because I'm so proud

994
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: of how far that I've come and I'm so happy

995
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: with the things that it facilitates me to be able

996
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah.

997
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: Then, as you now are strong and feeling good in

998
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: your body and able to play with your kids, you

999
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: segue into the women's sports space, You're like, well, now

1000
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: that I'm in this place.

1001
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: It's a perfect time for me to really get on

1002
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: board with that. I know, I'm so intense and I

1003
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: do something, I go all the way in.

1004
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that you and your upbringing,

1005
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: you were really around sports quite often. Give us some

1006
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: context on that before we talk about the end ofsl So.

1007
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York City. When I was

1008
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: nine years old, my grandfather bought fifty percent of the

1009
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: New York Giants. So being a part of sports ownership

1010
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: is a very big part of our family tradition. We

1011
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: went to Giants games every single week with my grandparents,

1012
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: sat next to them, always with them, had dinner afterwards.

1013
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: It would go into the off season. We often went

1014
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: to away games. It's been like a very big part

1015
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: of our family identity. It's one of the things that

1016
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: our family organizes around. Even if I wasn't kind of

1017
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: sporty and like playing a lot of sports myself, it's

1018
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: been a big part of our family culture.

1019
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so having that as a background, when this

1020
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: opportunity came around to get involved with the Gotham it

1021
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: felt now question mark question mark.

1022
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're I think we were kind of

1023
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: figuring it out. So I had three kids very close

1024
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: in age. My sister actually went through the same thing

1025
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: with the three kids. She had been the head of

1026
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: global marketing for Peloton and left when she had the

1027
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: third kid. So my sister started a sports VC fund

1028
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: to invest on behalf of our family, leveraging our position

1029
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: in the Giants and the access that we had into

1030
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: the sports world. And I thought, cool, go for good,

1031
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: go you like, what a cool thing you're doing. That

1032
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: seems perfect. And she made a couple of different investments, smaller,

1033
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: and then she saw that the biggest opportunity was in

1034
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: women's sports, particularly in women's soccer, particularly in New York.

1035
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: They wanted her as the lead investor because of her

1036
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: operating background with Peloton, and again I thought, go you

1037
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: go off, have a great time like that. I would

1038
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with it. We fast forward to

1039
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: the second day that we signed in as owners were

1040
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: in the national Championship. I flew to San Diego where

1041
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: the championship game was for the championship, basically just to

1042
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: support her, and thought like, what a cool investment this is.

1043
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: And from the context of being around I mean, I've

1044
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: been to almost every Super Bowl my entire life, from

1045
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: the context of being around what the NFL has built

1046
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: to and what that business looks like. To see what

1047
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: I had walked into when these were the champions this

1048
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: was the championship game. The level of business was just

1049
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: so different that it did feel like this, all of

1050
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: this background that I had could actually be useful. So

1051
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: from the minute I stepped on the ground, I was

1052
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: figuring out ways even really just to help my sister

1053
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: get her hands around it and figure out how do

1054
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: we turn this into the business of the future and

1055
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 1: the business that these athletes deserve because they've always worked hard.

1056
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't the athletes, it was the business around them,

1057
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: and that has just grown over the last eighteen months

1058
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: basically almost been almost two years.

1059
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: What's the biggest difference in what's going on with the

1060
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: team now versus eighteen months ago?

1061
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: How long can this podcast.

1062
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: Look?

1063
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: I'd say the biggest difference is the two things that

1064
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: my sister brought into it leading the team. One is

1065
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: the understanding that we will be the first global sports

1066
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: brand for women. There are other global sports brands that

1067
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: people understand, like Real Madrid or the Dallas Cowboys or

1068
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: the Yankees, like you can see their logos anywhere in

1069
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: the world and you understand what it means. That person

1070
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: may not even understand who the starting ten are, you know,

1071
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: but you understand what that global sports brand means. There

1072
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: was no global sports brand for women, and it will

1073
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: be US, and so we make decisions based on that

1074
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: with that as the north Star. The second thing she

1075
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: did is that she reoriented US as a live events business.

1076
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: So she brought over the head of live Events and

1077
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: Activations from Peloton. She brought over a lot of other

1078
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: marketing people from Peloton to really be thinking about how

1079
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: do we make this a wrap around experience for everyone

1080
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: who shows up. People have to feel like they are

1081
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: attached to every piece of the experience. They also additionally

1082
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: need to understand the stories of our players, because that's

1083
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: how we're You know that people get attached through players

1084
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: and through the stories of them, and they are and

1085
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: they're worth it. Yeah, every one of them has an

1086
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: incredible story and they're incredible people, and they are worth it.

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00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: It can be challenging when people are so attached to

1088
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: the players when there are changes within the roster. I

1089
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: know that you guys went through a lot of changes

1090
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: at the top of this season. How did you handle

1091
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: that in a way that really showed your biggest fans

1092
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: that you truly do care about them.

1093
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: We had we had our GM speak directly to our

1094
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: to our audience and to our fans, and she spoke

1095
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: directly about how the slogan of our team that we

1096
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: talk about that like really gets into the values is

1097
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: always building, never finished. We are always building the team

1098
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: of the future. We are never satisfied with where we are,

1099
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: even if it's winning a national championship, but we are

1100
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: always thinking ahead because we are planning not just for

1101
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: this season, not just for next season, but we are

1102
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: planning to be a global franchise, and so we are

1103
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: always building, never finished.

1104
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: I am just like sitting here and again the confidence

1105
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: that radiates from the way that you talk about what

1106
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: it is that not only you are creating what you

1107
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: expect from this brand. It's really beautiful and it beckons

1108
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: the question.

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00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: How do you maintain it?

1110
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: Because there are going to be hurdles, There are going

1111
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: to be things that don't go as you'd hoped right,

1112
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: and so those otherwise shake that confidence. How do you

1113
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: come back to this through line of we've got this

1114
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: and this is what we are going to be well.

1115
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: I actually think implicit in the question is the two

1116
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: things that it is. One is keeping your north star.

1117
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: You know where you're going. If you know where you're going,

1118
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: then you just make every decision focused on that you

1119
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: don't get distracted by pieces along the way. And the

1120
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: second piece is to expect that the form will change.

1121
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: I feel like this in my podcast, in my investments.

1122
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: We can see it in Gotham. You have to understand

1123
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: that there will be hurdles and that things will change. Look,

1124
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: I started an award show and then got sued on it.

1125
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: You know, like the form changed, and my core north

1126
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: star was to be able to move culture by telling

1127
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: stories of women who have changed their lives for personal reasons.

1128
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: And I got to be able to do that, but

1129
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: the form changed. So understanding that it is part of

1130
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: the process and not getting derailed by it, I think

1131
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: is an incredibly important piece of being able to move forward.

1132
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: I'll also say, you know the other piece of it.

1133
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, I have confidence talking about it. I get

1134
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: that from the players. They are so confident in their

1135
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: abilities and we have confidence in them. One of the

1136
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: things that was transformative for me that first weekend that

1137
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: I went out and met them at the championship. We

1138
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: stayed in the hotel with them, so I got to

1139
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: see them interact, and they go on their walk before

1140
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: every game together, walk with me, when with mey, our

1141
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: coach says, And to see them interact. I had never

1142
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: been around women who were so physically strong and also

1143
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: so unapologetic about being physically strong. And I thought to myself,

1144
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: I I need to see this. I want every insecure

1145
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: mom in my class to see this. I want my

1146
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: kids to see this. These are the role models that

1147
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I want my kids to see, the role models that

1148
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: I want my daughters to see. But by the way,

1149
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: my daughters see a lot of strong women, these are

1150
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: the role models I want my son to see because

1151
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: I want him to also know that women can be

1152
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: physically strong and have confidence. Yeah, oh my god, chill's

1153
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: just thinking about it. We love strong women.

1154
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: And speaking of strong women, obviously, women's sports at the

1155
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: crux of such an unbelievable moment in culture period right now.

1156
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: We are seeing so much momentum and it must feel

1157
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 2: some kind of way to be a part of it.

1158
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: It feels incredible, honestly to have walked into something and

1159
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: then see its skyrocketing almost immediately. It does put a

1160
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: little bit of pressure on us, to be honest, to

1161
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: like move a little faster, like faster than maybe we

1162
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: would have normally internal rondomitess or like building to what

1163
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: we want to. But again, like our athletes have always

1164
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: been at this level and they've always deserved it, So

1165
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: it's the right kind of pressure. Yeah, And so when

1166
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: you say the pressure to move a little bit faster,

1167
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: how do you keep up with that? How do you

1168
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: execute in a way that aligns with your north star

1169
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: when maybe you're having to do things at a little

1170
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: bit more quicker of a clip. I think it's putting

1171
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: people in place that you really trust and you think

1172
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: have good judgment and to not micromanage them. And actually

1173
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: my sister does that incredibly well. She has put very

1174
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: good people in senior positions and doesn't micromanage them. And

1175
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: then I bring in we have entirely different skill sets,

1176
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: so she is managing the team. She's actually now the

1177
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: president of the entire league of the chair of the

1178
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: entire league of the NWSL, So we have incredibly different

1179
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: skill sets. I bring in, as we say, like the

1180
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: vibes officer, right, like I'm the she Vibes officer. I

1181
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: bring culture to Gotham. I bring Gotham to culture. So

1182
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: being able to work also, my sister and I never

1183
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: thought we would work together. By the way, how is

1184
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: that for you? It's been great because we do have

1185
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: very different skill sets. We're very close, but we're very different.

1186
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: And owning that I think is so powerful. Owning and

1187
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: sitting in what you know to be true. It's not

1188
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: about ego, It's just about facts. Yeah. Yeah, our kids

1189
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: are very close and the facts that we can and

1190
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: we can see each other every weekend at games. We

1191
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: live in two different places now, but we see each

1192
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: other every weekend of games. And the fact that we

1193
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: are able to create for our kids what was so

1194
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: incredibly formative for us in our childhood. The fact that

1195
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: we can do it for our kids and that we

1196
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: can do it for women is very important to us.

1197
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: I say that is essentially one of our north stars

1198
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: as well.

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: Like personally, someone comes to your Instagram page, they see

1200
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: a podcast host obviously a co owner of The Gotham.

1201
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: But when you look in the mirror, Emily, what is

1202
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: it that you see looking back at you?

1203
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: I see someone who is finally comfortable in every piece

1204
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: of themselves. I was so serious when I worked in policy,

1205
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: and I worked so hard, and I was so proud

1206
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: of it, and I couldn't be that silly. I couldn't

1207
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: be that fun. You know. I started dying my hair

1208
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: lavender during the pandemic because I wanted to do something

1209
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: that gave me a little joy. And now we like

1210
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: to say this is my natural purple. I could never

1211
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: be doing the job that I had done with it,

1212
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: and I don't do it for anybody else. I do

1213
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: it for myself because it brings me joy. I'd say,

1214
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: I now see someone who finally embraces every part of themselves.

1215
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: When you think about the woman that was beside herself

1216
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: in the midst of having three children within three years,

1217
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: the woman who felt so lost, so unsure, so othered

1218
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: by the circumstance.

1219
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: Knowing what you know now, what advice would you offer

1220
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: her during that hurdle moment. It's so hard to say

1221
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: what advice would be, because I think I had to

1222
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: live through that low point to be able to get

1223
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: to this high point. Yeah, I don't think I ever

1224
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: really truly believed that I could be as comfortable in

1225
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: my own skin as I am now, and I never

1226
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: truly believed that I could be as happy as I

1227
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: am now. I just didn't believe it was going to

1228
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: be possible. I thought I'd have to find some other

1229
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: compromised version of myself. Yeah, so you know, I guess

1230
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: the right answer is, you know, like, hang on, You'll

1231
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: make it like you're going to get through this. But

1232
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: I do think I had to have lived through that

1233
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: load to be able to have the perspective to gotten

1234
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: to where I am now.

1235
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: What do you tell yourself on the days that you

1236
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: don't feel so shiny or so confident? Are so good

1237
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: as you are?

1238
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: That I probably need to rest? Is like the biggest thing.

1239
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm like a go go until I crash, And sometimes

1240
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I just need to crash. It's it's just so hard

1241
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: to where I am. Oh my god. And that is

1242
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: the advice we will leave them with. Emily.

1243
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you were able to come to

1244
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: the studio today talk to us. How do people keep

1245
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: up with you? How do they follow along with you?

1246
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: How do they keep up with the Gotham Give Me

1247
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: the Beats.

1248
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: You can find the podcast anywhere you listen to podcasts

1249
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: called she pivots or with iHeart. You can find it

1250
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: in the app as well. You can find us also

1251
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: and our guests on she pivots, the podcasts on Instagram

1252
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: and Gotham FC has its own account you can see

1253
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: all the players. Our team does a really good job

1254
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: of getting to know all of our players in their personalities,

1255
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: so I definitely recommend it. And we have three home

1256
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: games less less this season. Oh my gosh, I need

1257
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: I need to get you need to need to get over.

1258
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Ives are immaculate.

1259
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: Lives are immaculate. From the Chief Vibe Officer herself, I'm

1260
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: over at Emily a body at Hurdle podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: Catch you guys next time.