1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hulet's let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Let's go, get out the Giants bubbling, give me some job. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's roll. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: the newest edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought to 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. I 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: am John Schmelk, thrilled to welcome to the program. Senior 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: NFL reporter at Yahoo Sports Jory Epstein, Jory, how are you. 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm great, town, Thanks for having me on. 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: How are you doing, I'm doing great. Just to timestamp this, 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: it's airing on Thursday of the week before the season begins, 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: but we're recording this a week prior so if something 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: big happens, and usually that's not a good thing, so 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: or hoping that does not happen between now and then, 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: that's why we didn't talk about it. So we're gonna 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: try to keep things at a twenty thousand foot of 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: view here. This is really the Giants last like competitive 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: practice of camp, really today, Right, they play their last 18 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: preseason game in two days and then next week you're 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: kind of ramping up, but you're not really going at it. 20 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: Your losters limited again, what did your what were your 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: major takeaways just some kind of watching practice today and 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: being around the team. 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 24 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean I think I think everyone wants to 25 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: talk about Russ and talk about Jackson Darden. I think 26 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: it seems that Russ does really have a stronghold on 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: that first team offense and he knows where he's going. 28 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like a lot of today was Okay, 29 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: let's work with red zone, keep our legs fresh for 30 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: the upcoming game, and okay, let's see what we can 31 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: do with just handoffs and pitches and all of that. 32 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: But I was impressed with what we saw from Jackson 33 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: dart to day. I mean, I don't think it was 34 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: unlike what we've seen in the preseason games, which is 35 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: that when he gets in there, he's able to operate 36 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: it cleanly, and you do not always see that from Urkies. 37 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: No. Absolutely. And I've been here since two thousand and seven, 38 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: so I was here for eighty percent of you Line 39 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: Manner's career and he was more of a lead by 40 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: example type, right. The impact Russ has had on this building, 41 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: to me, has honestly been shocking, Like I did not 42 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: think the type of impact one player could have like 43 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: he has had was frankly possible in my long years 44 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: covering the league, But talking to the people in charge 45 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: here the players, did you get the sense being here 46 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: the type of impact Russ has had on the organization. Yeah. 47 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: I would say that Russ's impact is clear both to 48 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: the players and also to the coaches in the front office. 49 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I think around the clock what we're seeing that. 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: And it's funny because you talk about your career the Giants. 51 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: My first seven years of my career were Dak's rookie 52 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: year until a seventh year of his career, and he 53 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: did have that leadership and he's got leadership in spades, 54 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: and I think that no one debates that, even if 55 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: they debate where he is exactly in the quarterback pecking line. 56 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: And so I think when I look at this, I say, well, 57 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: I know what it's like when a quarterback is talking 58 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: to the defensive players and getting these guys and inviting 59 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: them over for this and all of those different things. 60 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: And I would say that we're seeing that from Russ 61 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: on and off the field. And I also think from 62 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 3: a culture standpoint, we're seeing that from Jamis Winston and 63 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: that might have been the most surprising thing to me, 64 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: only coming out for one day of camp, is how 65 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: many people were talking about Jamis's impact, whether that's Jackson 66 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: Dart talking about the ways he's developing him, or the 67 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: team talking about the way that oh it's the yoga 68 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: that assistant general manager Brandon Brown is talking to us about. 69 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: I mean all around the clock. 70 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon Brown basically saying, yeah, we are not interested 71 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: in trading Jameis Winston, like we love him here and 72 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of what he brings to the team. And I 73 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: think the interesting thing with Wilson and people in the 74 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: front office has told me this the confidence that having 75 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: a guy that the players a lot of these guys 76 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: frankly when they were like in high school, correct, so 77 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, go to a Super was potentially 78 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: be a Hall of Fame quarterback. Just the level of confidence, 79 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: the way like the tide has risen, which I think 80 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: was given how the last you know, ten years have 81 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: gone here. I think it's really needed and I think 82 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: it will help. 83 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 84 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that this is a team in a 85 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: quarterback that's getting married at the right time. I mean, 86 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: I think Russell Wilson and the Giants are just a 87 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: really good fit for right now. And I also think 88 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: you say, Okay, he's going to show you how to prepare. 89 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: He's going to show Jackson Dart what you want your 90 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: career to look like down the line, and how you 91 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: get to that far in your career and still have 92 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: a job in the NFL. And then oh, by the way, 93 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: he's still got that moonball and he's still got the 94 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: eighty year had pass. And I mean it's not only 95 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: off the field. I think rest still has something left 96 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: in the tank on the field. 97 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, obviously, if if he comes out and 98 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: he plays poorly, none of that of the subsequiclarly get 99 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: night matter right. And I think his connection in the 100 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: League neighbors is going to be really huge if he 101 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: was back on the I to feel today, after missing 102 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I've kind of slowly tried to 103 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: manage him this offseason, ramp him up. How big of 104 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: your do you think the League Neighbors can have? 105 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's huge. 106 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: And I think the biggest thing is when I think 107 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: about what Russell Wilson will do with this offense, the 108 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: moon beell is his number one thing. I think what 109 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: you want to do if you're the Giants, has establish 110 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: a run game. Establish a run game that requires defenses 111 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 3: to respect their run game so that you can lighten 112 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: up a little bit of the coverage further down the field. 113 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: And if you do that well, then Russ and elite 114 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: neighbors should have a very complimentary skill set. 115 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to make this look like what Russell 116 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Wilson's best years look like in Seattle, right where you 117 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: know the old thing, let Russ cook. Well, that didn't 118 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: work out that well. It turns out that Pete carol 119 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Ashian knew what he was doing. And if you use 120 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: the run game and then you have Russ compliment that, 121 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: that's how you're probably going to get the best out 122 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: of them. 123 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think generally you see this around the 124 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: league is that if you want those explosives, you need 125 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: the run game to complement it. And so I think 126 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: this team realizes that that is where you can most 127 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: have success. 128 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: You mentioned Jackson Dought a couple of times. What do 129 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: you think the developmental cycle is going to look like. 130 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: The fans are probably going to see Jackson Dorp play 131 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 1: real football for the last time in that third preseason game, 132 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: and then who knows when any of us, including me, 133 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: are going to see him do anything, let alone in 134 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: a game, but even like in practice. Right, So, how 135 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: do you think they're going to go about this and 136 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: how do you say they're going to know when he's ready? 137 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 138 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: I think the Giants want to understand how many data 139 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: points can we get before week one of the regular season? 140 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: How many data points can you get where Oh, he 141 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: has no idea he's going in the game. Most of 142 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: the coaches didn't even know, but Brian Davis throwing him 143 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: in there with their ones all of a sudden just 144 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: to see what happens. And it's funny. I was talking 145 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: to Jackson about this and he said he I mean, 146 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: he said, are you serious to Daves? Because he goes 147 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: Dave's does things that are sometimes kind of joking, and 148 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is one of the joking 149 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: ones or one of the serious ones, Like which one 150 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: is us to do? So he wasn't saying are you 151 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: serious in terms of what do you mean you want 152 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: me to come in? It was I legitimately don't know 153 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: if you're making a joke, And how'm suos to respond 154 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: to this? And I just think when you look at 155 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 3: what he did there, what he did in different parts 156 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: of the game. I think that they are continuing to 157 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: ramp up what's asked him. And another thing that really 158 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: interested me when I talked to Jackson was this idea 159 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: of He told me that he has a lot of 160 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: freedom at the line of scrimmage. And I'm not him 161 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: at the exclusion of the other quarterbacks, and I'm not 162 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: around every day, so I haven't seen that in practice. 163 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: But I was surprised at him being like, yeah, they 164 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: are giving the quarterbacks the keys to this offense that 165 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: if we see something the defense is doing, we have 166 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: the ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage. 167 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that goes to the complicated nature of Brian 168 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: Dables offense. I mean, I had players come in here 169 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: that were ten year veterans and be like, John, this 170 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: is a lot like there's a lot of verbiage, there's 171 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things in it. Jackson does not seem 172 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: overwhelmed by it, which is I think is probably the 173 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: most encouraging thing. 174 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't seem overwhelmed, but he does say in his 175 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: ors that he's humbled by it, not by the offense, 176 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: but by being in a room trying to learn this 177 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: offense with Russell Wilson, who's won a Super Bowl, Jameis 178 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: Winston who's been this league as the first round pick 179 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: for a while, and Tommy Devido, who's actually got the 180 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: most experience in this offense and may know the offense 181 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: better than any of them. 182 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: It's true what we're talking to Jackson, were you just 183 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: you feel like his personality is build from scratch just 184 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: to play quarterback in the National Football League, doesn't and 185 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: like he's just like captain charism. It's it's just fun 186 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: talking to him, you know. 187 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, before I was waiting or when I was waiting 188 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: to talk to him, before we started talking, someone's walking 189 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: by and they're kids with him, and he's asking the 190 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: kid about, well, what's your name? And oh, you got 191 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: that blue raspberry shaved ice here, And I mean he's 192 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: making friends with everyone in conversation. And this was not 193 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: someone he was asked to go meet. He's just kind 194 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: of doing that. It seems like that's pretty much across 195 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: the board. Oh, I'm mentioning where I'm from and he's like, oh, 196 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: I've got high school friends there, and I mean, all along. 197 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: It's fun and It's funny you talked about how we 198 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: talked about Russell Wilson had his best success in Seattle, 199 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: and I think they also want to build this team 200 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: around the defense, right, That's where a lot of their 201 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: investment came in the off season, whether it was Javon 202 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: Howid and Paulson Adiebo's free agent signings, Chauncey Golston as 203 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: well j Abduquatter as a third overall pick. How do 204 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: you think this defense is being built and what do 205 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: you think it might look like when we hit the 206 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: field in Week one? 207 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what we hear from Brandon Brown and 208 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: this echoes what the Giants have been saying. Is this 209 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: Russian coverage. That's how you want to build it. I 210 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: have questions about the coverage, and I think the question 211 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: to me is also how is your run defense going 212 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: to look? Because if your run defense isn't strong, your 213 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: pass pressures usually don't have the opportunity to go make money. 214 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: And Brian Dables talked to us about this. You can't 215 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: rush the passer. If a to your point, you're giving 216 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: up you know five six yards on first down, you 217 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: know second and four, and teams can do whatever they want, 218 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: but also if you don't have leads, like if you're 219 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: down ten thirteen points in the second quarter, well guess what, 220 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: You're never putting your opponent into a position where you 221 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: can get all your pass rushes on the field do 222 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: all these crazy blitzes because they're under no pressure of like, 223 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: all right, well we have to get a first down here. 224 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: If that happened to just check it. That up to 225 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: the ac dud because they're a couple of scores. 226 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I think you see that pass pressures are 227 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: going to close out the game. They're not going to 228 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: be able to win the game from the start. 229 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: Bingo. Absolutely. What do you think of what you saw 230 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: from Abdul Quarter and what you've heard from people about 231 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: ab du Quarter in the building? 232 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're excited about him. 233 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: I think when you look at both him and the 234 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: Lake neighbors, I think that this team feels like you 235 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: don't want to be picking as highly as they are, 236 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: but if you're going to you want to get talents 237 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: like get. 238 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: Those guys right and that that can be difference makers. 239 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: And I think when you look at this defense, if 240 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: you combine Carter, we know what Brian Burns is that 241 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: he's really accepted a leadership role this year. And then 242 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence who really hasn't done a ton yet in 243 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: the summer, but he'll be ready for Week one. This again, 244 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: if the other parts come together, could be one of 245 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: the better defensive lines in football. 246 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: The talents is there, and I think, as we mentioned 247 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: the questions, just what's the offense going to be doing, 248 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: what's the back end going to be doing? And is 249 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: this talent going to be able to show what they have? 250 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, very young secondary which always you know, does it 251 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: come together well? To see how that goes. 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Huddle up, I didn't hear. 260 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 261 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: middle with at the score. 262 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: Great, How do we make that happen? I don't know, 263 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: Bud Citizens? 264 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: Does it makes sense of your money with citizens Official 265 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Bank of Eli Manning? All right, let's go wider NFL here, 266 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: you've been to eighteen cam if you told me. 267 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: This is sixteen tomorrow by the time people are watching this, seventeen. 268 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: Very good. So let's start with the NFC East. First, 269 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: we've given the stat of bajillion times in our programming. 270 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: You have not had consecutive since the NFC East champions 271 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: since two thousand and four, when Andy Reid with Donovan 272 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: McNab was, you know, coaching and quarterback in the Footdelphie Eagles. 273 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: Is that finally going to get broken this year? 274 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: I'm actually glad you remind me of this because on 275 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: all accounts, on paper, the Eagles team like the best team, 276 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: and I do think they're the best team in this division. 277 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: I have a hard time even against them. 278 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: But I also have a hard time making an argument 279 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: that someone's going to repeat in the NFC East, because 280 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: why should we keep making this argument? 281 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: We've been doing it every year. 282 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: I mean again, this is nine tenth season covering the 283 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: NFC East in large part I'm covering the whole league now, 284 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: but it's starting in Dallas now, living in New York, 285 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 3: being with Philly a lot, and every year we think 286 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: it's going to happen. 287 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: So why is this the year? 288 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: I know? But what team? How about this? Which team 289 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: in the division I think has the best chance of 290 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: breaking the question? 291 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: I mean, you want to say the Commanders when you 292 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: see what they did in the NFC title game last year. 293 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: I still think that the Eagles are more complete game, 294 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: a complete team, I should say, than the Commanders. I 295 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: think that the Commanders will be a better team than 296 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: last year, but I don't think they'll have a better 297 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: record because the NFC East schedule is a lot tougher 298 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: this year. 299 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: Oh it's impossible. And you know, we kind of talked 300 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: about with the Giants and then we'll get back to 301 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the division. The Giants could be a 302 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: significantly better team this year. And I was joking with 303 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: fans like two months ago, I'm like, can I get 304 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: you excited about a better point differential and better DVOA? Like, 305 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: does that get you excited? Because that might be what 306 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: we're looking at where you see the progress in those areas, 307 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: even if you know the record, maybe you know two 308 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: or three more wins. It's just so difficult it might 309 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: not show up in the one lost column. No. 310 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 311 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 3: I visited all four NFC North teams, and I think 312 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: they all kind of realized, like, hey, when you look 313 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: at their opponents last year and you look got something 314 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: that's going on, you're probably not all going to win 315 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: fifteen games this year. 316 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: You get the Giants and everybody in the NFC East 317 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: gets the NFC North in the NFCUS, Yeah, I mean 318 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: that's it. You don't have one easy game in the 319 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: eight against those too. Not to mention the teams in 320 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: the NFC East, what are your concern levels about the 321 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Commander's defense, because I feel like they're secondary, right, you know, 322 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: they's some older guys, whether there's Bobby Wagon and Marshaun Lattimore. 323 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. It's safety there. Necessarily, 324 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: they don't have that eight plus pass rusher up front. 325 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: How do you think dan Quinn's going to try to 326 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: put that unit together, which really, in the end is 327 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: the reason they did not beat the Philadelphia Eagles, Right, 328 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: They just couldn't get a stop in that game. 329 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: Right, I think the question for them on defense is 330 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: I don't think they believe that in their first year 331 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: they had the talent fits to run the scheme they wanted. 332 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: I think that they wanted corners that were a little 333 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: bit longer. I think there were some personnel elements that's like, hey, 334 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: you can't completely turn over the cupboard in one year. Sure, 335 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: I think they believe they have personnel that better fits 336 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: the type of defense they want to play. With Joe 337 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: a junior calling the defense as the coordinator, now the 338 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: questions can you do it? They do have some guys 339 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: like a Frankie Luviu, like a Miikey Stander, So like 340 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: they had some bright they got von Miller in house, 341 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how much he has left. 342 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: In the tank. 343 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: And also, quite frankly, what do they ask him to do? 344 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: Or they ask him to play on first and second downs? 345 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: All of that, and so I think that I think 346 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: they have the pieces to be better, but we need 347 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: to see it before we. 348 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: Can believe it. 349 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: We're here in the Hackensack Marita Hill podcast Vidio Keep 350 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: getting Better with Jory Epstein, senior NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports. 351 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: That's Cowboys. I'm sure you still have ties with them, 352 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: and you pay attention to them as when you ever 353 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: recover a team that long, you can't really pull yourself 354 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: away from there. I'll start. The big story with them 355 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: is Michael Parsons on the field week one. 356 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: I think he is on the field week one. 357 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: I would say there's like a seventy percent chance that 358 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: he is on the field week one with a new contract, and. 359 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: I think with a new contract. 360 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: I think seventy percent with a new contract. I think 361 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: I was about to go twenty five. You get twenty 362 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: five percent that they play this out, tag him and 363 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: then figured it out in five percent chance of trade. 364 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: I don't think it's out of the question that they 365 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: plays out. And I will say the more that each 366 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: side digs in, the more you say, well, the Cowboys 367 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: are like, we're under contract, and Mike's party can be like, 368 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: we're just going to keep making more money. But I 369 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: don't really think that's actually in either side's best interest. 370 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: The way that Dak, for example, when he was going 371 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: through this and he did play out a franchise tag year, 372 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: believed that it was in his best interest. 373 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: Easier for a quarterback to do that than the defensive end, right. 374 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it's interesting going back to that distinction. 375 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: When I talked to Dak at Cowboys training camp this 376 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: year and I was like, Dak, why are you supporting 377 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: Mike and not practicing when you practice through this? And 378 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: He's like, yes, but I'm a quarterback. I wear red jersey. 379 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm not getting hit business. You can't go out there 380 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: and do that. And Dak has been very open about 381 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: supporting what Micah does. So I think that when it 382 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: comes down to it, currently, to me, the number one 383 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: reason Mike doesn't have a contract is because Jerry Jones 384 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: is not happy with the fact that they had a 385 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: handshake agreement that Mike is not keeping, which, oh, by 386 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: the way, in case everyone hasn't been watching, the agent 387 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: was not involved with his handshake agreement, nor did they 388 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: have anything in writing. And I loved Herry. He's fantastic 389 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: for our jobs and he's so helpful for all of 390 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: my interviews. So I say that, but I think when 391 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: you look at it, at some point, I think Jerry's 392 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: going to be like Jerry always has enough time to 393 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: have a bad time. He's getting up there in ages 394 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: in his eighties. I don't think he's really going to 395 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: want to risk that with Micah for the sake of 396 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: being stubborn. 397 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't want to spend a ton 398 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: of time on this, but the way I look at it, 399 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: if Jerry Jones is willing to just pick up the 400 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: phone and call the agent, I feel like they'll get 401 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: the deal done. But if he's just gonna be stubborn 402 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: about it, that's how you get to the whole franchise 403 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: tat thing, which again the Cowboys have gone down that 404 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: road before. 405 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me, the most jarring moment of 406 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: this whole conversation was I was at Denver Broncos practice 407 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, Micah Parsons put out a 408 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: three page statement saying he wants to be traded for 409 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: the Cowboys. And I know that people say they want 410 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: to be traded. I know that Miles Garrett said that. 411 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: I know that Terry McLaurin and the Commanders had said 412 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: that they don't have a deal. As at the time 413 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: we're recording this podcast. No one does this in Dallas. Again, 414 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: I've been in this covering this league for ten years. 415 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: Not one person has asked for the Cowboys to trade 416 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: them away. 417 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: I didn't do a dack didn't do it right. 418 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: So that's just not what they had other I mean again, 419 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: I was there when Zeke was holding out forty days 420 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: in Cabos San Lucas. There have been a DeMarcus Lawrence. 421 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: I was there when he would not get his shoulder 422 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: surgery until they give him a contract. So I'm not 423 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: saying no one had tactics, but no one's you use 424 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: this one to. When I say that, I was like, oh, 425 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: is Jerry gonna just draw a hard line of if 426 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: you don't want to play here, I don't want you 427 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: here because if that's how he believes in the brand. 428 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: And then I'm there a few days later and Mike 429 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: is on the sideline and he's talking to this player here, 430 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: and okay, maybe he's not talking to Jerry, but he's 431 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: talking to Will McLay, their VP of player personnel, And 432 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: during the individual drills he's talking to defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus. 433 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: So I don't think this is quite as broken as 434 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: we're making it out. 435 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, when he showed up to practice the day after 436 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: you put the statement on, I'm like, all right, maybe 437 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: he really doesn't want to get traded. That badly. It's 438 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: just kind of a negotiation thing. What do the Cowboys 439 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: have to do to challenge the Eagles? They've been kind 440 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: of the two teams that have gone back and forth 441 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: right over the past five six years. Do you think 442 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: they have the ability to make a run and get 443 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: back closer to that kind of eleven twelve when Mike 444 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: McCarthy era type of team. 445 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the two biggest question marks for 446 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: me are your defense if you don't have Micah Parsons. 447 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: The defense is significantly worse without Micah Parsons. And is 448 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: your run game at least average. I don't think you 449 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: need a great run game. You have Ceede Lamb and 450 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: George Pickens catching the ball from Dak Prescott, especially if 451 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: the offensive line is fine, they should be okay. But 452 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: you need something of run game for guys to respect, again, 453 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: as we were talking about with rust and the moonball, 454 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: so that you can get those guys open. Now, I 455 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: do think that if I'm playing fantasy, which I'm not, 456 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: you want that third receiver on your team. Because George 457 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: Pickens and Ceedee Lambs are covered well, Jalen Tolbert should 458 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: begin a lot of targets, so I think that there 459 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: are going to be some surprise players because of the 460 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: attention that those two receivers will be commanding. 461 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: Nah Camonte Turprink with the other guys, there's lot of 462 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: damage this line. I think a lot of has have 463 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: to do with the young offensive line right right. They've 464 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: you know, they've turned that cool group over. No more 465 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Zach Moore, no more Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick ORed a 466 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: while ago. It's all new guys and a lot of 467 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: first round, second round picks and still on their rookie contracts. 468 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that line as the potential to come 469 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: together and kind of become the core of this group 470 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: like we've seen Cowboy offensive lines do so in the past. 471 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you've have been it on the head, 472 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: which is that when the Cowboys offensive line has been 473 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: good the last decade decad and a half, the team 474 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 3: has been really good and made it to the playoffs. 475 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: When they've struggled on the offensive line, that's pretty much 476 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 3: been like complete correlation with how they've done in the 477 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 3: regular season and ultimately making it to the post season, 478 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: if not advancing super far into the postseason. So I 479 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 3: would say, I think we have to give the Cowboys 480 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: some credit for being able to draft offensive linemen, because 481 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: these guys were talking about are all homegrown, and they've 482 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: continued to take first round offensive lineman again recently, which 483 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: I think is a good investment. So I think they 484 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 3: can do it, but it might take a little while. 485 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: At the beginning of the season is usually pretty rough 486 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: for offensive linemen. 487 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 488 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your matt But if you're 489 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 490 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: to citizens. 491 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. 492 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about amliarutine. 493 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 494 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: money with citizens. All right, let's stick in the NFC. 495 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: Any teams that you think people in the general public 496 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: might be sleeping on, that you think might be better 497 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: than their being given credit for. 498 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: I don't think we're sleeping on the rams, but if 499 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: we think the rooms are good, like they could be 500 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 3: great again. I think would be the last year exactly. 501 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: I think that this is a team that I do 502 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: think Matthew Stafford will be out their week one, perhaps 503 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 3: limited in terms of how comfortable he is. I don't 504 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: think he's going to be limited in terms of his game, 505 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 3: But I do think that, like I talked to their 506 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: general manager Lessening about having DeVante Adams in the building, 507 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: and I talked to Puka Nicoo about learning from Devonte. 508 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: And no one's doubting what Cooper Cup did. He was 509 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: obviously incredible for that team and a big reason they 510 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 3: want a Super Bowl. But I think that when you 511 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 3: look at what Davante's doing, it's kind of like a 512 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: new perspective when so many other guys had been Here's 513 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: what Sean McVay taught me, and here's what I've been 514 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: doing my entire career. And so I think having DeVante 515 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: and Puka and oh, by the way, you still have 516 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: Kien Williams. And when I was at the Cowboys Rams 517 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: joint practice, the Cowboys are sorry. The Rams were significantly 518 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: stronger on both sides of the line of scrimmage and 519 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: the Cowboys, and I think that that is in large 520 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: part because of how well they've drafted lately. 521 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: The Rams have a very good young defensive line that 522 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: a lot of those guys could end up breaking out 523 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: this year for sure. How about the forty nine ers, 524 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: do you think they might have a big resurgent year. 525 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: It's funny. They have these years every now and then 526 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: they just get a lot of injuries in their bad 527 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: of course, then they get to like draft Nick Bosa, 528 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: it turns out the end of being really good again. 529 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: Do you think this could be a big bounce back 530 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: year for for San Francisco? 531 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 2: I think it could. 532 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: I think they still have the talent, but as you mentioned, 533 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: I think that it's fair to question their health. And Okay, 534 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: they don't have Deba Sam anymore. Okay, you've got guys 535 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: who have been having some lingering injuries, is old, right, Yeah, 536 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: they've lost some guys tar various awards and there are 537 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: so I think that there are a lot of question 538 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: marks there. I think that their floor should always be 539 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 3: pretty high in terms of what Kyle Shanahan can do, 540 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: Rock Purty, et cetera. 541 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: But I do think that they have some question marks. 542 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, and they never bet against Kyle Shannon. 543 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: Another team, by the way, on the Giants schedule of 544 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: this year, because somehow they finished in last place like 545 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: the Giants, so they have to face each other. Is 546 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: there a team in the AFC that does not have 547 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: one of the big four quarterbacks and that's obviously Lamar Jackson, 548 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Joel Burrow that you think can 549 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: challenge one of those teams to get to the Super Bowl. 550 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 3: Champayne is very high on his Broncos team. I think 551 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: when you see what he did with bon Knicks last year, 552 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: he believes he's got that guy. They might be the 553 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: best defense in the year in the league this year. 554 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they have that talent and 555 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: that got the defensive Player of the Year, and so 556 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: I think when you see what bon Nicks as year two, 557 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 3: if he builds on it, I do think that the Broncos, 558 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: despite coming from a really tough division. I think the 559 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: Chiefs will in the division, but I'm not sure. I 560 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: think the Broncos could challenge them for the division. And 561 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 3: if you got home field advantage in Denver, I mean, 562 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: I don't think. 563 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: That's out of the question. 564 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. And the Broncos 565 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: also maybe have the best offensive line in the league too. 566 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: So if you can combine those two things, a great 567 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: offensive line, a really good defense, play caller at a 568 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: great break caller, that that is not a bad formula. 569 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: Here's an interesting one. I'm throwing this on you, so 570 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: feel free to think about it for a few seconds. 571 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: What division do you think is most likely in the 572 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: NFL to have three playoff teams come out of that division? 573 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: Team last year was I believe the AFC North. I 574 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: think did it too right? Didn't they? Then the Steelers 575 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: make it with the Ravens, though the Beans did not. 576 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: They were it was the NFC North last year, and I'm. 577 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean I could see that af I think 578 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: the AFC North. Yeah, I think the AFC North is 579 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: it this year because I mean, you'd have the Ravens, 580 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 3: you'd have the Bengals and the Steelers. I don't know 581 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: that the Steelers will go all the way, but I 582 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: do think with Aaron Rodgers, they should be a better team. 583 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: League wis some suggests that usually about eighteen months after 584 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: you have that tier, you're a little bit better. So 585 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: I think the beginning of last year he was kind 586 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: of dealing with, like, oh, the calf is a little 587 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 3: bit hurt because of the achilles from beforehand. I think 588 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: he should be better. He's got DK Metcalfe in house, 589 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: and I think that defense is good. I also will 590 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: say that just the vibe around Aaron Rodgers and the 591 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: Steelers felt very different to me than Aaron Rodgers and 592 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: the Jets. 593 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: I'm curious. 594 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 3: I think that with the Jets, and obvious it's not, 595 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: but it's been a long time since they've had success, 596 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: and I think they were really like, Aaron Rodgers is 597 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: our savior and we're going to have success. Not to 598 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: mention the injury that happened, and obviously, who knows what 599 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: would be different if he didn't get that injury season 600 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: ending four snaps into his Jets career. But on the 601 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: Steelers end, I feel like the Steelers are like, you've 602 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: been here before, but so have we as a franchise 603 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: and maybe not the last few years, maybe, but we're 604 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: not losing. We don't have losing seasons. Mike Tomlins famously, 605 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: what is that eighteen years no losing sight. 606 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: This is Mike Tomlin's team and you're coming into it. 607 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: It's not Aaron. 608 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 3: Rodgers say yeah, right, And I think that they that 609 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: Aaron respects Mike in a way that maybe hasn't respected 610 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: some of his coaches recently. I'm not saying that in 611 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: terms of necessarily how he directly handled it, but I 612 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: think in terms of the approach, so I do think 613 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: that they have a lot of potential even in a 614 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: difficulty And I just think, to me, the biggest question 615 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers is his mind is still one of 616 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: the best, if not the best at the position in 617 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: the game, and his arm is still great. So just 618 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: to me take out a little bit of the mobility, 619 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 3: be a little more realistic about how much you can 620 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: move around. And maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe he 621 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 3: does have it back after that extra time from the injury, 622 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: and then you should be able to do it. 623 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: And I'm curious, and I'll do my final question as 624 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: you look, and I think by the way, they'll run 625 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: the ball a lot more in Pittsburgh. Yeah, No, won't 626 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: put as much on his shoulders, because that's what the 627 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Steelers do. As you win around the league, What are 628 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: maybe one trend on offense and one trend on defense 629 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: that you think might be coming down the pike in 630 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: the NFL from talking to some of these coordinators that 631 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: you think teams might be leaning into on both sides 632 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: of the ball a little bit. 633 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say one thing on offense. 634 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: Does the Commanders did a whole lot of things that 635 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: interest me, but I would say that what interests me 636 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: most is I didn't realize how much they went no 637 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 3: huddle last year. I mean, I believe it was sixty 638 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: one point four percent of time last year the Commanders 639 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: went no huddle. That's more than double the next high number. 640 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 3: I think it was like twenty five percent and more 641 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: than five times the average. And look what it did 642 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 3: for Jayden Daniels. And I think that's relevant for you 643 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: guys here at the Giants because when, yeah, when you 644 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: see what Jackson darkin do I think that the Cincinnati 645 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: Bengals defender Cam Taylor Britt famously was like, oh, Jade Daniels, 646 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 3: He's just running a college offense. 647 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: It's simple. 648 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: And I don't even think that he actually meant it 649 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: as an insul as much as it was taken it 650 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: that way. But I do think people kind of viewed 651 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: it as a mockery, and it turned out that Clik 652 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: Kingsbury was actually just like, why don't I play to 653 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: Jaden's strengths instead of just doing something the way the 654 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: NFL has done. And I think that a lot of 655 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 3: teams around the league are watching the Commander's blueprint for 656 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: developing Jayden and saying, hey, we should probably do something 657 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: like this. So whether that's no huddle or whether that's 658 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: some of these more college principles, I do think we'll 659 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: see that. Defensively, that's a good question. But I have 660 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: been just very intrigued by the way that Brian Flores 661 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: has revolutionized what Minnesota has done. I think when you 662 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: look at it, I mean they were basically a bottom 663 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 3: five offense in a lot of categories before he got there. 664 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: In two years in their top five, and I would 665 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: say we're already seeing some of the trends in terms 666 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 3: of like the versatility of his players, like what he 667 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: did in Minnesota with certain guys like Andrew Vankinkle, and 668 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: technically Fangio had done that with Andrew vankin gold Well. 669 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 3: Now the Eagle are like, well, why don't we take 670 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 3: a chance on Zach Bond and see if we can 671 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: have our guy? And essentially this idea of being able 672 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 3: to change the coverage without changing the personnel, and I 673 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 3: think that defenses that can do that feel really really 674 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: strongly about how they're able. 675 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: To confuse offenses. 676 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 3: Because I had an offensive coordinator tell me about Brian 677 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 3: Flores like, I'm just guessing against him because what they're 678 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: showing me pre snap it could be true, it could 679 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 3: be not, it could be what I saw on film 680 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: from last week. 681 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: It could have nothing to do with that. 682 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Now the schemes are different, but it reminds me a 683 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: lot of when we had Wink Morton Dale here, and 684 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: what he always said to us is that, look, generally speaking, 685 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL, the offense will dictate what the defense 686 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: ends up doing. Right, Wink was always like, that's not 687 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: how I'm gonna play. I'm going to set my personnel 688 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: and my formation on defense. Well, I'm gonna tell the offense, well, 689 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you do these things because if 690 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: you do, it's not going to work against what I'm 691 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: putting out there. And I feel like that's what Flores does, 692 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: except he's even less predictable. Right, he uses three safeties. 693 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: He's going, you know, drop an eight and coverage. Sometimes 694 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: he's splits an eight. He's all over the place. And 695 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: I do wonder how person and now base that is, 696 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: if that will work for all these different teams, and 697 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: how that can filter out, because I do think that 698 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: is kind of the next duration, Right, How can defenses 699 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: confuse and dictate offenses who've been trying to do that 700 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: to defenses with motion. This is kind of like the 701 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: other side of that, right right. 702 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: I think it's a great point because to me, like 703 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 3: what Brian Floreses is doing is threefold. Part of it 704 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: is the aggressive play calling and scheming. Part of it 705 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: is we have to execute that. And the way that 706 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: people are on lead telling me is like they kind 707 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 3: of feel like that defense has taken on Brian Flores's fiery, 708 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: tough personality and there's a sense of swagger that he's basically. 709 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: Infusing in them. 710 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: And then also the personnel and Brian Flores, I do 711 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 3: think it's been intentional about who they've gotten on that 712 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: defense to fit that. So if you don't have the 713 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: personnel and the scheme and just the general like demeanor 714 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 3: to do it, it really probably doesn't work. 715 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Van Ginkel, Harrison Smith being of safety 716 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: that's seen everything buying them right, another man that's super. 717 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Josha Mattellus was there right, another super. So I think 718 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: you're right. I think it'll be really really interesting. All right, 719 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: tell the folks everything that you have gone on where 720 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: they should go find your work, social media, whatever you 721 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: want to promote the floors awesome. 722 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: Thanks so much done. Yeah, Jewelry Epstein. So I'm at 723 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: Jewelry Epstein on Twitter and my work is largely found 724 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: on Yahoo Sports. Co host Inside Coverage the podcast there, 725 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: and I'm writing often on Yahoo Sports. So that's my 726 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,239 Speaker 3: account on Twitter, on Instagram, all the things. And it's 727 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: great to be honest you No, this was so much fun. 728 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing it. 729 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: Happy to be here. 730 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: Jory Epstein on The Giants Total Podcast presented by Citizens 731 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: Official Bank of the Giants from the Hackensackmriny Hell Podcast, 732 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: who will keep getting better? Enjoyed everybody, We'll see you 733 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: next time.