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Speaker 2: I'd just like to give him up him him so

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Speaker 2: you can do.

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Speaker 3: You have a chip on your shoulder?

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Speaker 2: Good good morning, sweeper and welcome to the Now Dunks

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Speaker 2: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, April first, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. I'm Jay Skiats here in the Classic Factory

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Speaker 2: and alongside me as always Task.

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Speaker 3: Mellis podcast listeners, this is for you.

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Speaker 2: Next to him, it's the bearded one, my top shot

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Speaker 2: hot boy, treykrby bo bo haha, got us and over

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Speaker 2: yonder making the magic happen. Super producer j Kella. There

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Speaker 2: he is here, we are Trey's really in the spirit

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Speaker 2: of April Fools today. Oh man, Yeah, before you came in,

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Speaker 2: he dropped a banana peel at the doorway to the

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Speaker 2: Classic Factory and got JD so hard, oh big time,

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Speaker 2: nearly broke his back. So you love it, it's your

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Speaker 2: favorite day?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah. Something but not a lot of people know

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Speaker 1: is that the way me and my best friend from

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Speaker 1: back home met was our grandfathers were the original April

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Speaker 1: Fool's day, banana peel slippers. His grandfather was the first

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Speaker 1: of been in our blood for generations at this point.

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Speaker 2: Wait, are you being serious?

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Speaker 2: Oh crap, I didn't know if that was no, that one's.

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Speaker 1: True, that one's actually true. I did. I did get frank.

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Speaker 1: First thing when I walked out of the door this morning,

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Speaker 1: walked through a spider web, kids Nature, No Nature's prank,

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: The banana peel would be perfect for that number one,

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Speaker 3: because everybody's wiping their faces with banana peels, so wipe

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Speaker 3: seems like everybody else is a little flustered.

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Speaker 2: Know, we had another weggie last night. Yay, not in

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Speaker 2: April Fool's Day prank Weggie number forty two, ken Rich Williams,

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Speaker 2: Kenny Hustle in the corner, beautiful dicking it And yeah,

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Speaker 2: we said we needed a few more before we get

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Speaker 2: to the postseason. Now we got another one last night,

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Speaker 2: so the pace remains at forty nine. The magic number

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mud Flap stopped flapping hitting that Wedgie Kenrich

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Speaker 2: Reference though no, not yet, just any hustle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was some great ones thrown at us for

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Speaker 2: about how to fix tanking in the NBA. Popular topic

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Speaker 2: right now as we have the home stretch here, but

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Speaker 2: some games on last night, let's touch on a few

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Speaker 2: of the best ones. The Lakers held off the Rockets

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Speaker 2: from Dorian Phinney Smith and your guy Gabe Vincent, both

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt the Lakers were ready for those

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Speaker 3: But the Lakers defense that stopped the Rockets system of

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Speaker 1: KT, Well, the defense from the Lakers is basically predicated

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Speaker 1: He's guarding shengon a lot of the time. The Lakers

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Speaker 1: So I thought that was super impressive, and then I

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Speaker 1: So I thought the Lakers just executed their game plan

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Houston's defense, no doubt, it is nasty, but unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: minutes of clutch play. That's Houston. They have an eleventh

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Speaker 2: But yeah, dropping there as you get into clutch time.

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Speaker 2: And I'm with you on the Jaylen Green thing because

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Speaker 2: there were two costly turnovers too. So you'd rather live

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Speaker 2: with a shot attempt at least to maybe get a

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Speaker 2: rebound instead of turning it over. You had Van Vliet,

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Speaker 2: he threw a bad low pass to underneath. He just

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Speaker 2: He threw it sort of back too far, but Ruey's

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Speaker 2: teams couldn't score at all. Yeah, at least guy get

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Speaker 2: then the Lakers did enough offensively. Fun game, you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess we could see these teams. Yeah, we could

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Speaker 2: opposite side of the bracket in the Western Conference right now,

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Speaker 2: with the Rockets holding onto the number two seed, Lakers

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, the Lakers just won a gritty game. Again,

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Speaker 1: This is why they get talked about and the Kevin

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I should say I mean, I guess the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was weird to see, like that low pass

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Speaker 3: I had a flashback Raptors Nets when Jose called her

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Speaker 3: What was that and that's how their playoff series ended.

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Speaker 3: That's like seven oh seven.

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Speaker 1: Anytime the Celtics break a Celtics record in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: Their previous road winds streak was five. I guess you

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Speaker 3: They're going for the record too. The all time road record,

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Speaker 3: history is thirty four and seven. The Celtics can tie

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Speaker 3: this game, and it looked like John Moran, al right, baby,

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Speaker 3: just they turned it on and you could really see

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Speaker 3: the double bigs Porzingis and al Horford and what that

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Speaker 3: transition jams. Obviously, Horford was hot and that just turned

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Speaker 3: that fricking whole game around. Horford six threes and that

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Speaker 3: Derek White has hit the most threes in one season

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I guess it's not that surprising.

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Speaker 2: Well, I saw Celtics blog right leader. Well, when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Derek White two hundred and forty six threes on

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas twenty sixteen to seventeen. There he goes the

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Speaker 4: So both of those guys could take this right exactly.

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Speaker 4: It may not be Derek White's record at the end

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think Peyton Pritrick could steal this year, and

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Speaker 2: so it's in play that whatever it will end up being,

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Speaker 2: But Derek White has it for right now. And they

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Speaker 2: and they did here. But what'd you think of this one?

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Speaker 1: It was all about the three pointers. The Celtics were

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Speaker 1: score at will on the Grizzlies. They took sixty two

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Speaker 1: threes last night Boston did. That's the second most they've

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Speaker 1: give the Celtics two thirds wide open three pointers doesn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they were going at.

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Speaker 1: Their worst offensive night in two months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they started to go way too early in the

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Speaker 3: shock lock for them, like they weren't moving the ball,

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Speaker 3: that's what two of us. He is Hello, their new

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Speaker 3: coach has got to be saying, now, let's move that

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Speaker 2: How about head coach Boston head coach Joe Mizzula sort

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: There was no jail in Brown or Celtics. There was

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Speaker 2: not sure did he score. I know he went over

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Speaker 1: He was like the only guy that didn't score. How

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Speaker 1: Horford gave zach an edycation completely twenty six points off

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Speaker 1: they're rolling. They had the best offense in March.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, they're clicking at the right time. Whether this

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Speaker 3: The surprising thing for me was seeing Joe Mizula sitting

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Speaker 3: Ain't like Joe. It was weird.

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Speaker 1: Think he slipt on a banana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Grizzlies are currently in the fifth spot in

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Speaker 2: and then the Wolves and Clippers are one game back

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Speaker 2: is there concern here that the Grizzlies are gonna be

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Speaker 2: bad will look considering you fired your coach with nine

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Speaker 1: It's definitely possible. I would say the Wolves and the

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Memphis needs to figure something out pretty quickly here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're hoping to win one of those, but you're

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Speaker 2: also playing the Lakers team. Celtic's Yeah, tough Tames, but

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Speaker 2: that's been the story of their season, right, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't beat these good teams, Yeah, They're highlight of this

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Speaker 3: year might be Santie all Dama's wedding. I think Santiel

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Speaker 3: Dama is getting married because after remember after Desmond Baine

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Speaker 3: but I love santi He was at my wedding. I'll

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Speaker 1: He's getting married and he's a free agent. Big summer

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Speaker 2: He's so stressed. Yeah, doesn't know where to go on

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Speaker 2: a lot of things. Yeah, yeah, I think he needs

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Speaker 2: to grow the beer back.

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Speaker 1: You think his fiance asked, I would like to see

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Speaker 2: Maybe, but I think he looks better about a beard,

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Speaker 2: if I'm being honest person, you know, Yeah, true guilty

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Speaker 1: Also, I didn't know that they were calling Drew Holiday

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Speaker 1: doctor Evil. I heard it from.

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Speaker 2: Drew Carter's dropping in the Pinky Song.

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Speaker 1: He got a mallet finger injury, got a cast and

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Speaker 2: Oh God, don't say stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor this movie came out on all.

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Speaker 2: I know, but you feel like just something should be

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Speaker 1: And that's one of them. Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's like we had Marvin Bagley on our show. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's like ten years older.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's bulls. Yeah, well but he was playing yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true, he's.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember being on that show. We got Marvin

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Speaker 1: Bagley to wear an eyepatch when he came on. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Which Celtics do you think of? Seen an

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Speaker 1: Austin Powers movie?

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Speaker 2: Okay a Drew Holliday, Yeah, obviously Tory Craig.

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Speaker 1: I sorted this by reverse birth date, so these are oldest.

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Speaker 3: But he ain't that old.

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Speaker 2: He looks he just like, well, we know Joe Missoula

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Speaker 1: Only watches the Town one movie. Derek White, I think, yeah, yeah, Cornett.

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Speaker 2: For sure, God, he knows it by heart.

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Speaker 1: Porzingis great question. Yeah, I want to say yeah, Jalen Brown,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he liked it. Agree with you?

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Speaker 2: He would not like told me like that shouldn't be No,

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Speaker 2: it's just too silly or something.

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Speaker 1: The science doesn't add up. How could they keep him

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Speaker 1: frozen for thirty years and he's the last depete doesn't

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 2: So we just assume all the White guys definitely seen it.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I agree?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who just say Tatum?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tatum?

434
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he watched it with what was the name Kuchuk

435
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 3: that he went to school.

436
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Speaker 1: With, Matthew.

437
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah and Matthew.

438
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Speaker 2: Okay, has Duce watched it? Does? Does Deuce snow? Doctor evil?

439
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,040
Speaker 3: Number two? Yeah? Number two? That's why they called him

440
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,120
Speaker 3: Duce because they watched it so much to the other Okay, good,

441
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 3: all right.

442
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 2: We got to the bottom of it somehow. The coach

443
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 2: has never seen it, but Deuce has. I like that.

444
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 2: All right. Let's move to the Pacers coming back from

445
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,719
Speaker 2: sixteen down in the second half to beat the Kings

446
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: one eleven one oh nine. Aaron Smith was pretty good

447
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: in this game, seventeen of his twenty four in the

448
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: second half. He was clutch at the line too over

449
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: the final stretch where you know, the lead was pretty

450
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 2: comfortably for the Pacers, but the Kings were just doing

451
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 2: the thing where they just kept coming down and banging threes.

452
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 2: They kept going close and close. But anyway, he hit

453
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Speaker 2: six free throws in the final twenty seconds or so.

454
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Speaker 2: But uh, why don't you get to started here? TK

455
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 2: on the Pacers big win.

456
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Speaker 1: I would have to say this was the most predictable

457
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Speaker 1: result of the night. The Kings had a lead going

458
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter. But guess what, the Pacers have

459
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: been awesome in fourth quarters, one of the best clutch

460
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 1: teams in the month of March. Meanwhile, the Kings are

461
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 1: kind of good at melting down in fourth quarters. They

462
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: look like just too much DeRozan, Like, you get such

463
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: clarity seeing your team replicated for another team without the

464
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: emotional attachment. It's like, seriously, another mid ranger for Deroze

465
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: ten shot attempts in the fourth quarter, he went four

466
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Speaker 1: to ten. Did hit a three later in it as well,

467
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Speaker 1: but it just slows everything down. Man Sabonis looks miserable

468
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: out there. He just hands the ball to Deroze and

469
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: goes to the other side. Think, all right, I know

470
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: you're not passing it back. So enjoyed the pump fakes.

471
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Speaker 1: Monk was pretty bad, I thought in this one. Then

472
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Speaker 1: on the flip side, the just went at Sabonis every

473
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Speaker 1: time with Halliburton and Siakam, and they were getting good shots,

474
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Speaker 1: either Haliburton getting in the lane and finishing over the

475
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Speaker 1: top or a pick and pop for Siakam, who would

476
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Speaker 1: then move the ball. It was just good Pacers basketball,

477
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 1: and that looked like the Kings that were used to

478
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: I thought Kee and Murray played a great game, but

479
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: otherwise the bench was monstrous for the Pacers. They outscored

480
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Speaker 1: Sacramento forty six to twelve. Monk went two for fourteen.

481
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Speaker 1: And I'll throw a little bone here, Jaris Walker fifteen

482
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Speaker 1: points last night, three threes. He's got three straight games

483
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Speaker 1: with double digits off the bench. Hasn't had a great season,

484
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Speaker 1: but he's got some nice flashes that I appreciate.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, these Pacers are I mean, they keep on doing

486
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Speaker 3: this thing where they come back from nowhere. They had

487
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Speaker 3: the lead, you know, in the second quarter, but then

488
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 3: didn't have it until late. That's what they do. Are

489
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: they miracles? If they keep on doing them over and

490
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Speaker 3: over and over again.

491
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it shows how strong their bench is. Yeah,

492
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 2: it's a deep team. Yeah, so if the starters are

493
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Speaker 2: struggling against the other starters, then you bring in that

494
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 2: wave of guys and they're all back and healthy. Now

495
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: for the most part. I know they were missing some

496
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Speaker 2: guys last night, ironically, no Turner and no Mathron, I think,

497
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 2: but they have a lot of guys on that bench

498
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Speaker 2: for sure.

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Carlisle says, all right, we're gonna match up

500
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Speaker 3: with the bonus at the five. We're putting Pascal Siakam

501
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Speaker 3: at the five. They said. Thomas Bryant said, Sakam, Halburton,

502
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: you do your thing. Halburn had eleven points in the

503
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter, and then Pascal Siakam hits that three where

504
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: he kind of pulls out the jazz hands sort of

505
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: but they're kind of like turned down, so they're like handshack,

506
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 3: handshake jazz hands or he shakes them.

507
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Speaker 1: It's a good celebration.

508
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Obie Toppings started at first because he came over

509
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: and started doing that little dance, and then Suckham got

510
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Speaker 2: in on it.

511
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Speaker 3: It's a good one. Yeah, it's a good one. It's

512
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: not seen a lot, not talked about a lot, but yeah,

513
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Speaker 3: Carlisle just said, all right, we can go small, we

514
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Speaker 3: can go Topping and seek him at the four or

515
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: five and we'll get you. And there was a little

516
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: too much segment basketball for the Kings of this tree said,

517
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Speaker 3: that's King's ball.

518
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: How about Obie Topping This month of March, he's been really,

519
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: really good and he changed the energy in this game again.

520
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: You see it time and time again. At the Pacers

521
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: scored eleven points in the third quarter alone, hit a

522
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: bunch of threes in that quarter, had nineteen points, shot

523
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: seven to eleven from the floor, hit five threes. Guy's

524
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: a three point shooter, incredibly and just a good month

525
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Speaker 2: of March. Heah. Thever was twelve four and two in

526
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: twenty minutes per game, so it's not like you're seeing

527
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Speaker 2: a lot of time out there. But shot forty six

528
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Speaker 2: percent from three in those seventeen games in the month

529
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Speaker 2: of March. That is damn good. Like thirty three is

530
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Speaker 2: seventy two from three. So he was great. And yeah,

531
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Speaker 2: Carlo talked about just his energy when he comes in

532
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: just obviously can shoot here a little bit. Now. Yeah,

533
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: they went small and it worked and they are now

534
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: on the brink of clinching a top six seed in

535
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Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. The Pacers are. If the Hawks lose

536
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: tonight to the Blazers, then they've locked it up. So

537
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: it's very likely they're going to be top six. But

538
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: Hawks could even make it happen tonight with a loss.

539
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: Hawks hosting the Blazers, what they got to do is

540
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: call up Jacob Topping from the minor leagues College Park Skyhawks.

541
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Speaker 3: We got to see up close in personal ol Jacob,

542
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: who scored a lot of points this year. I'm sure

543
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: he'll be playing more in the NBA.

544
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: Maybe.

545
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else from that one in particular you already

546
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: brought up, like, Yeah, Haliburton had that big step back

547
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: three with like a minute twenty to go, and then

548
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: the in a game where Sucking was not shooting well,

549
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 2: was getting good rocks but nothing was dropping. He let

550
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: that one rip up top after they doubled Haliburton and

551
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: he let it go. Quinn Buckter was pumped on the call.

552
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: It was I forget exactly what he said, but he's like,

553
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: that's that dude, or something like he was like he

554
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: was like bigging them up because he's like, yeah, man,

555
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: you gotta shoot that even though you're struggling, like you're

556
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: wide open and you're a star player, and dragged it

557
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: home and then the little jazz hands happened.

558
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, all right, Any Ovens are on the

559
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: edge of a decision to make here their first round

560
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: pick is protected one through twelve to the Atlanta Hawks

561
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: for the Kevin Herder trade. Yeah, Kevin Herder now in

562
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: the Bulls, of course, not even a Sacramento King. They're

563
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: currently thirteenth in the ranking, one game up on Phoenix.

564
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: So it's like it almost behooves the Kings to start

565
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: losing some games in order to keep their pick, because

566
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: do you really want to give up a first round

567
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: pick when your first round pick from this year basically

568
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: missed the whole season. That hasn't really impressed so far. Like,

569
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: things are going to be weird for Sacramento. I think

570
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: during the offseason. I think the bonus is gonna get traded.

571
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to figure out what happens with this pick.

572
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: Darren Fox has already gone like, who's the guy for

573
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: the Kings? Literally it's de Rozan and Levine without picks.

574
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: Thank god they got seen that before.

575
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna say, thank god they got baseball in

576
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: Sacramento now.

577
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, that's right.

578
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: Keep it distracted a little bit.

579
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good, good call because the Kings pull

580
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: off what the Mavericks did a couple of years ago

581
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: and basically tanked the last couple of weeks so they

582
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 3: could get their hands on Derek Lively.

583
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the draft they said draft too.

584
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: That being said, I mean they are a half game

585
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: behind the Mavericks that somehow lose games. They get Daniel

586
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: Gafford back yesterday against the Brooklyn Nets, Anthony Davis doesn't

587
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: play all that well and they somehow lose that game

588
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: and they're up on the Phoenix Suns in eleven. So

589
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: they're who are missing Kevin Durant. So all those teams

590
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: around him are just losing too. I don't know if

591
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: you can lose your way out of it, out of

592
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: the system.

593
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: Right, it almost feels hard to catch Phoenix.

594
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

595
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Any other takeaways from any of the other games last night.

596
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the Magic Clippers, it was nineteen nineties basketball.

597
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: Two of the top three defenses, and that's what they

598
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: were playing out there. James Harden was playing defense man.

599
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: There was a play in the third quarter where Derek

600
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: Jones Junior, he fouled Franz Wagner, and so James Harden says.

601
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Get in here.

602
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 3: Everybody calls a little team huddle. All five of them

603
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 3: come in there and he talks to Derek Jones Junior,

604
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: and you could see Derek Jones Junior, I got you,

605
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: I got you to James Harden, who had seven steals

606
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: in this game, a ridiculous number, and then a couple

607
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: of possessions later. Derek Jones Junior must have heard it.

608
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: He must have heard James Harden got encouraged because when

609
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: Harden missed a shot that guy had he also had

610
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: just a runway to the rim but had a beautiful

611
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: put back dunk. So it seems like the Clippers are

612
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: talking to each other. That's all I got to say

613
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: about this game. I don't want to get in too

614
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: much into the l The Clippers look great, but damn

615
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: do they look great. They had nobody score over twenty

616
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: one points. But they had four guys you know, they're

617
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: big three. I'll call them their big three of Norm,

618
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: Harden and Kawhi plus Zubats who was a monster, all contributing.

619
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: So they just look like a great team. That's all

620
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: I got to say about that game.

621
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Speaker 1: Ninety six eighty seven fifteen combined threes, and they both

622
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: shot under thirty percent from three. If you're one of

623
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: those people complaining that there's not enough defense and too

624
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: many three pointers, watch this game and you'll change your mind.

625
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: I think it's also official that the Thunder won the

626
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: alex Cruso Josh Giddy trade. Yeah, twenty eight point win

627
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: for OKC last night forty three point lead, won the

628
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: previous game by nineteen. Literally the only drama in this

629
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: game was if Sga was going to be able to

630
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: continue his twenty point streak. I think he had fourteen

631
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: at halftime. The Bulls were doubling in like crazy. Had

632
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: thirteen in the third quarter, finished with twenty seven, did

633
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: not even play the full third, didn't come back for

634
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter as well. Sixty seven straight games for

635
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: Shay gill Alexander with twenty or more, also finished with

636
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: twelve assists. Matsis Bozellis, though had four blocks and three

637
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: of them are on Chat Holmgren, who looks like a

638
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: guy that's a kid standing on another kid. Oh, I

639
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: love that, very funny. But Bozillis is good at blocking shots. Man.

640
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: Okay See did improve to twenty eight and one versus

641
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: the East this season, including fourteen to O at home,

642
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: and they got one game remaining against opponent from the

643
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: other conference that's the Pistons. But they've already set the

644
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: all time record winning percentage wise interconference style. That is unbelievable.

645
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Did we ever.

646
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: Decide on what we were calling the OKC version of

647
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: the cavalanche like the Calves have. I know we said thunderclap.

648
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Speaker 1: I like it.

649
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: I think worldwide. Wob was also asking for suggestions. He

650
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: liked thunderstruck, sure, and then you know, maybe a tornado

651
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: to go along with the clouds and the lightning and

652
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: the storm and stuff like that. I like thunderclap the

653
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: most because that's what they did. In the second quarter.

654
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 2: It was like a nine point game, and then it

655
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: was sixty five to thirty three. It was We're team

656
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: Thunderclap over here. Yeah, that's weird to say it loud.

657
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: But also the Heat have won five straight games and

658
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: with the Bulls lost, Miami back up to ninth. Good

659
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: for the Bulls get back into ten.

660
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: Like it.

661
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: Man, it was weird. It was weird being so good

662
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: for a second.

663
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: There a wild stat from Statitudes. I saw the Heat

664
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: became just the third team in NBA history to immediately

665
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: follow up a ten game losing streak with a five

666
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: game win streak. You want to hear a crack at

667
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: the other two teams to have done it. You saw it, Yeah, I.

668
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: Saw, and I and I literally remembered. One of them

669
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: was the Bulls because of Nikolameritach coming back from getting

670
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: jacked in the face by Bobby Porters.

671
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: Exactly right, seventeen eighteen, Chicago Bulls did it. And then

672
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: the other one, for sure. The other one was fairly

673
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: recent a couple of years ago that I thought maybe,

674
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you saw it. But the other that

675
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: you could get maybe tasks a team we just talked

676
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: about that have turned it around, that are gonna maybe

677
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: win fifty games or very likely going to win fifty games.

678
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: The Houston rock Rocks.

679
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, two Rockets. They lost fifteen straight and then they

680
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: won seven.

681
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: Straight twenty two.

682
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: They were bad, yeah right, yeah, but they had that

683
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: little stretch there was something like, what the hell's going on?

684
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: Here? Was very strange, crazy stats out there, crazy stats.

685
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: I got a stat for you, Yeah, this is a

686
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: weird one. Who has made the most corner threes over

687
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: the last twelve seasons? Which player has made the most?

688
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: Well, corner PJ Tucker.

689
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: It's PJ Tucker. Yeah seriously.

690
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he just got signed, right.

691
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's why that's why that stat came up.

692
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: According to Second Spectrum, he's made seven hundred quarter threes

693
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: or the last twelve seasons the most in the NBA.

694
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: During that spin, I guess that's probably true. That's a lot.

695
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: That's where he stood for a long time, but he

696
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: just hasn't hit him in a couple of years. Yeah.

697
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he must add a hugely. Man. I remember back

698
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: in the day, Brent Barry and the NBA TV offices

699
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: just strumming the guitar PJ. Tucker's open. That was like

700
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: twelve years ago. I'll tell you what, I started singing.

701
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: It wouldn't sing it on TV, but he would sing

702
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: it in the locker room.

703
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's behind the scenes, that's right.

704
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: The fact is stuck with people too, because I was

705
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: just playing pickup Hoops on Sunday morning and some guy

706
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: mentioned all I do is shoot corner threes and somebody said, oh,

707
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: you're a real PJ. Tucker. I kid you not.

708
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: That's right.

709
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: So I guess maybe we were the last people on

710
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: earth to know that he would have led that. Yeah,

711
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: the last twelve years.

712
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was weird that PJ. Tucker got signed

713
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: to a contract, But it ain't really all that long.

714
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: It's just like he's signed two ten days with the Knicks.

715
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: Then you're around for the rest of the year. That's allowed,

716
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: and then next year team option.

717
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not that long. That's keep it for trading purposes, right, Like,

718
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: we might need this contract to throw into something else,

719
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: so sign you to an option and then suddenly he's

720
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Speaker 1: getting paid again.

721
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Speaker 2: How great would it be though, in a playoff game here,

722
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: you know they need a three and just stick them

723
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: in the corner. Run it back, man, Let's see if

724
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: he's got one more left. All right, let's go from

725
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: talking about the games to talking about tanking because the

726
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: athletics Mike Workinoff had a great article up the other

727
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: day wondering about, you know, can the NBA fix its

728
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: big tank and problem here? Even is this a problem?

729
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: Maybe we could even debate. He wrote, nothing can match

730
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: the chaotic energy of the NBA's great tank. The race

731
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: to the bottom is as good as ever. Seven teams

732
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: jostling with one another for positioning in the lottery. And

733
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: yeah and yeah, if you fire up Tankathon, you know

734
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: we got we got some bad teams right now, and

735
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: they're getting creative even how they're losing these games, you know,

736
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: especially in the Raptor's case, it's hey, start all the

737
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: guys league ain't looking in your direction, and then just

738
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: sit them early in the fourth quarter and maybe try

739
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: and throw the away a game, throw away the game.

740
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: But within that article, Vorkanoff had five ideas to potentially

741
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: fix tanking. I wanted to throw them at you guys,

742
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: throw them at everyone here on YouTube and the podcast

743
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: listeners and talk about them. So I'll give you each

744
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: of Mike Vorkanoff's ideas and we can break them down.

745
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: And you've heard a lot of these before. But the

746
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: first one extend the lottery drawn to determine the top

747
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: eight picks, So the NBA could let the lottery drawing

748
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: determine the top eight picks in the draft instead of

749
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: just the top four, so basically flatten the odds even

750
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: further than the NBA has taken measures to do over

751
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: whatever it was the last ten years or so. Right now,

752
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: the three worst teams each own a fourteen percent chance

753
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: on the number one pick. What if the top four

754
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: teams each had a ten percent chance and the teams

755
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: outside the top eight had their odds increased as well.

756
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: So that's the idea here, just like flattening more and

757
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: maybe there's less really leaning into being bad because it's

758
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: not much of an incentive once you're just one of

759
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: the bad teams. Your thoughts top eight.

760
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Seemed too punitive to me, where if you have the

761
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: worst record in the league, you could drop to the

762
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: ninth pick. That's how you get stuck being the worst

763
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Speaker 1: team in the league. Ye year after year, Like it

764
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: was a bummer for the Pistons to keep finishing with

765
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: the worst record, but at least they were picking fifth.

766
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Speaker 1: They got Asar Thompson. Yeah, Jaye and Ivy these are

767
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: both good players. Obviously Ivy's hurt tom And was to

768
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: start the season, but like, those are good guys. The

769
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: ninth pick, like you might not even get an.

770
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: All Star, right, so that's your biggest concerne. Yeah, so

771
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: really bad teams could drop very far.

772
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Speaker 1: Because there's always going to be bad teams.

773
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree. If you want to

774
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: be bad, you'll still drop to the bottom eight. You'll

775
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: drop you'll be bad enough to get to those bottom eight.

776
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Speaker 3: So I think when we get further into this article

777
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: of working on wrote the extension of those percentages, whether

778
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: we just level it out completely flat between one and thirty,

779
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: I mean that makes a little more sense about that's spooky. Yeah,

780
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: that's a little scary. We're getting back into the Sequil

781
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: O'Neal era where anybody gets the number one pick and

782
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: lick could literally be handed out to the Boston fricking Celtics,

783
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 3: which is a little too scary.

784
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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's why he started with that one first.

785
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's just how you write an article

786
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: right now, all right. Second idea here to fixed tanking.

787
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Get rid of the weighted lottery altogether, so every non

788
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: playoff team would have the same odds, a one in

789
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: fourteen chance. That's a seven point one percent chance at

790
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: the top pick. That's the idea here. If you are

791
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: not in the playoffs, you're in the lottery and you

792
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: got all the same chance. Now, the downside, he writes,

793
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: is that it may keep losing teams in a position

794
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: where they can't draw on the top of the draft

795
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: talent to get them out of this cycle of being bad. Sure,

796
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: but then people push back and go, well, a lot

797
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: of these teams are there every year after it is

798
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: as it is, so it's like they're just bad at

799
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: running an organization and bad at maybe drafting talent or

800
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: evaluating talent and then growing talent, so like stop rewarding

801
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: them so to speak, with these like higher picks, and

802
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: maybe this's is better for these teams that are like

803
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: had a bad year, maybe because of injury, maybe not

804
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: that they might get a chance at the number one pick.

805
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on getting rid of the weighted lottery altogether?

806
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: I think it's awesome for TV to watch a lottery

807
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: where literally any team could win. Bad for ping pong

808
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: ball manufacturers because you would only need one for each team, right,

809
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: So that's a problem. My biggest issue though, is that

810
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: this would encourage tanking from teams higher up in the standings,

811
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Like we're talking about the Sacramento Kings. Should they keep

812
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: tank to keep the twelfth pick just so they'll have

813
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: a pick?

814
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: Right?

815
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't even be a question if this were the

816
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: case and lottery odds were flat, Like, why would you

817
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: want to go into the play in and either play

818
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: against the Rockets or you might have to play the thunder.

819
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna play a sixty five win team in the

820
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: first round, or have a chance at drafting Cooper Flag

821
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: not even a choice, So that to me is the

822
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: problem is that like the teams that are right on

823
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: the edge of the playoffs, they would have no incentive

824
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: to try and make the playoffs.

825
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Zach Carper disagrees with you wholeheartedly because he

826
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: thinks that that would not be a problem because to

827
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: quote him here, to convince ownership groups that they should

828
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: bail out of potential playoff revenue from a seven point

829
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: one percent chance of hitting the top pick doesn't sound

830
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: like the smartest business decision. So that's Harper's reason. He's like, yeah,

831
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: he hears you, but like more, I'm not they're gonna

832
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: be like, no, get into the playoffs, and like, we

833
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: make tons of money with those gates, and that's better

834
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: than a seven percent chance at a number one pick.

835
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 2: Seven point one percent chance. That's that's what he thinks.

836
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: But I hear you as well, t K. Where are

837
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: you fall on that? Do you think this would be

838
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: an issue or do you like it?

839
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: I think it, Like we've sort of been implying here,

840
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: a lot of it comes down to the gms in

841
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: the front office whether or not they can make a

842
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: good draft pick. And that's where where it all what

843
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: it all boils down to NBA teams and organizations realized, Yeah,

844
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: top two, top three picks could be extremely great. But

845
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: then what it comes down to is you're gonna make

846
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: a nice pick at eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, So

847
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: it goes hand in hand.

848
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all of the Hall of Famers are not

849
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: number picks one, two and three.

850
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely, Zach's wrong. We just saw this happen

852
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: with the Mavericks. They tanked just to keep a top

853
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: ten pick, and they like they had the chance. Can

854
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: we go for the play in tournament or do we

855
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: try and get the pick? And that's for the tenth pick,

856
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: So I think obviously Zach is wrong. No offense to this.

857
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the whole thing is owners do

858
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: love money, which he's right about that.

859
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what's going to make you more

860
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: money having Cooper flag next season?

861
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Seven chance at it.

862
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. The percentage is wise. And then

863
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: the matters were fined. May they may like money, but

864
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: they were fine because they tanked games if I'm not incorrect,

865
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: and went.

866
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: To the finals with Derekly they get two games, Like,

867
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you tell me, it's worth it for the Sacramento Kings

868
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: to have two home playoff games versus forty one home

869
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: playoff games with a star The next thing.

870
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the play in tournament definitely changes the equation

871
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: of all this too. If if this was like the

872
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: old ways, the seventh and eight seeds are just the

873
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: seventh and eight seeds and they're getting two playoff games. Yeah, okay,

874
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: maybe that's it, But you're right, you know, you're the

875
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: ninth and tenth seeds, Like you may not even have

876
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: a home game when it's all said and done. You

877
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: very likely won't unless you get in like fight your

878
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 2: way into actual playoffs. Okay, next one here I did.

879
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: Number three. The lottery odds are based off multiple years

880
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: of records, not just the last one. This is at

881
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: the end the WNBA does. So teams in the lottery

882
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: have their odds based on their record over a two

883
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: season span rather than just the immediate season. That changes

884
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: the stakes of deciding whether to tank for a year,

885
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: especially if you just made the playoffs the year before

886
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: or you weren't flat out awful. So while some teams

887
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: still might commit to the multi year tank, there is

888
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: a fear of doing that for too many years, of like,

889
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: you know, losing your fan base. Really because the idea

890
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: is like people can put up for like one year

891
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 2: of like leaning into a tank to take a crack

892
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: at getting a high pick. But it's like when you

893
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: start doing it two years, three years, it's like people

894
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: start tuning you out, and there's a negative connotation to that.

895
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: So what do you think about this taking the WNBA

896
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: page from their playbook and sort of doing a weighted

897
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 2: thing here.

898
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: I was intrigued at first, but MBA front offices will

899
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: be smart enough eventually to just start punting multiple seasons.

900
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: I mean, we basically see it. What the Utah Jazz

901
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: right now, they're they're they're terrible year after year after

902
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: year with the idea that we can get a number

903
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: one pick. So I think you'll see I totally get

904
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: it's difficult for a fan base to see a team

905
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: saying we are going to be bad in the following year,

906
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: Oh we got a renew season. Seas this team is

907
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: bad and they're going to be bad again. I mean, yes,

908
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: over and over and over again. To see a team

909
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: be bad, it's it's painful. That being said, I think

910
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: organizations will start doing it. I think that's that's the scenario.

911
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: This one was just a little convoluted to me, I

912
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: don't understand how you get the best odds for the

913
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: number one pick. Are you the worst team in the

914
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: league for two straight seasons and then.

915
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: You get accumulative record?

916
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, in that case, people aren't going to be

917
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: changing anything. Like you can deal with two to three

918
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: years and being the worst team. Everybody does it? Like

919
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: how long did the Sixers tank for? The thunder went

920
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: back to back seasons tanking and shutt and shake guilds

921
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: Alexander down at the end of the season, Like, you'll

922
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: just commit to it for two to three years.

923
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the Jazz are going to lose sixty games

924
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: this season for the first time in franchise history. Painful stuff.

925
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: That being said, they could do it, yeah, for a

926
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 3: couple of years. Yeah, is it even more painful? Frankly

927
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: because okay, more bad years than you'd anticipate.

928
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: How about this little tweak which Forkinoff recommended. You could

929
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: tweak the rules to let teams into the lottery regardless

930
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 2: of whether they make the playoffs, which could create positive

931
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: incentives for franchises like the Detroit Pistons, who turned it

932
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: around this season, but they're still tied for the seventh

933
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: worst cumulative record since the start of last season. Right,

934
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: So if we were taking the WNBA thing, they don't

935
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: take the play like if you're in the playoffs, like

936
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: you're out of the running, Like you're not getting a

937
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: high draft lottery pick. But he's saying maybe a tweak it.

938
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: It's like you're actually incentivizing those teams that like turn

939
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: it around, maybe had a bad injury, locked the one year,

940
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: or maybe just like got good with a new coach

941
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: and finally some life of that team. I don't mind

942
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: that tweet, but you guys overall think teams would just

943
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: lean into instead of a one year tank job, it'd

944
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: be a multi year tank job.

945
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Well, aren't all most tank jobs multi year tank jobs?

946
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: At this point, I think it's more unusual for it

947
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: to be like the Grizzlies ended up in the lottery

948
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: last year, the Pelicans are ending up in the lottery

949
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: this year. This is like one year occurrences.

950
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: Right, The Sixers will be there this year, six.

951
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: Ers year there this year.

952
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 3: Right.

953
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: Whereas like the teams that are at the top of

954
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: the draft currently, these are teams that have been bad

955
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: for years. So wouldn't that continue to be the case.

956
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they continue to be bad for years until

957
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: they get a great pick and then their team turns around.

958
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, get yeah, And it's a tougher pill

959
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: to swallow for your fan base and all that. Yeah,

960
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: like over three, four, five years. But yeah, if you're

961
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: in that unfortunately you're a bad team. You're a bad team,

962
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: and you also suck at drafting. You're going to continue

963
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: to be a bad team. That's the whole part of this.

964
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: Like we are really talking about teams like the Jazz

965
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: who two years prior we're good, they were actually decent

966
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: and then traded away everyone to get into this whole

967
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: scenario where like you're actually tanking and you know, the

968
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: Raptors getting crafty. Here, we've seen the Nets trade away guys.

969
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, yeah, there are bad teams, and

970
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: that's one thing, but then there are teams that are like, oh,

971
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: we want to be bad because we're incentivized to be

972
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: bad to help our chances at the odds to get

973
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: obviously a franchise changing player.

974
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: But in this case, like the longer you're bad, the

975
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: better your odds get.

976
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's just two seasons, just the two yeah, yeah,

977
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: it's over.

978
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: Too, like if you were a bad five three years

979
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: ago that it has nothing to do with the calculation.

980
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: It's only a two.

981
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, But say you get the fifth pick in that draft.

982
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: The next year, you're like, well we didn't get the

983
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: number one pick, we better be bad again.

984
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's basically what the Pistons have been,

985
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: you know. And from nineteen twenty they won twenty games.

986
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: The next season twenty, the next season twenty three, next

987
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: season seventeen, next season fourteen. When they keep getting even

988
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: though they're that bad, they keep getting the number five

989
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: pick over and over again.

990
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Well they got the number one pick too, yeah, yeah,

991
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: they were trying to win. The Pistons were trying to

992
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: win games last year.

993
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: Last year yeah yeah, when they were four, had fourteen wins. Yeah,

994
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: the unfortunately five straight bad seasons.

995
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, idea number four. Then the two worst

996
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: teams get the number four and number five picks. Okay,

997
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: hear me out here. It sounds crazy at first. Okay,

998
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: the two worst teams who are they right now? The

999
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: Jazz and the Wizards. So they would just get obviously

1000
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: where they would end. Maybe you'd have to do a

1001
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: tiebreaker or flip a coin, but they would get the

1002
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: number fourth pick and the number fifth pick. And here's why.

1003
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: If the goal is to create incentives for teams to

1004
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: not be horrible and to try and win games in

1005
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: March in April, then ensuring that the worst teams don't

1006
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: get the best lottery odds is one way to do it.

1007
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: So if this run place right now, the Wizards and

1008
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: Jazz would be they would be actually desperate to try

1009
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: and win more games right now to avoid getting stuck

1010
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: with one of those worst records to get out of

1011
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: the fourth and fifth if they want to get better

1012
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: odds to win the higher pick. So they would be

1013
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: trying to catch up to the Charlotte Hornets, I believe

1014
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: right now who won last night. I think they have

1015
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: nineteen wins. Now, well, what do we think about this one?

1016
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: This is sort of fascinating because it flips it on

1017
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: its head. It's like, at a certain point, we have

1018
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: the worst teams at the end of the season, trying

1019
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: not to be the worst, like get out of that spot,

1020
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: because otherwise you're just gonna you're gonna have a good

1021
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: pick still, but it's gonna be in the fourth and

1022
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: fifth spot. Tikes started here.

1023
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: So wouldn't you just try to have the third worst

1024
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: record every Yearah?

1025
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, isn't that any better?

1026
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: The Hornets have nineteen wins to sixteen. I think it

1027
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: would solve tanking for like the last week of the season.

1028
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think this does. But isn't that fine?

1029
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Aren't we making these games? I guess more exciting in

1030
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: a weird way, and teams would be trying to win

1031
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: these games for a lot of these crap teams at

1032
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: the bottoms.

1033
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, like Utah, Charlotte came down to

1034
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: the buzzer last night. Kyle Philipowski had a great run

1035
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: for three, hit it off the glass, Keante George rebound

1036
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: underneath the rim, missed the layup. They were trying to win,

1037
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: but they just couldn't win bad. So I don't know,

1038
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: were you watching Charlotte Utah? Would you have been watching

1039
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: if it mattered for who's getting the fourth and fifth

1040
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: versus the first pick?

1041
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: No? But again, come on, you can't deny that teams

1042
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: aren't tanking. There are bad I.

1043
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: Chually don't think tanking is that big of a deal. Okay,

1044
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: well I don't think there's that big of a problem.

1045
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: We talk about this during the last like four weeks

1046
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: of the season, right because unfortunately, twenty teams are playing

1047
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: for something and ten teams aren't. Like there's until every

1048
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: team makes the playoffs, Like, there's no way around it.

1049
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: This is more of a basketball problem than it is

1050
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: an NBA specific problem because one player changes things so much.

1051
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: For a franchise, you got to get the one player.

1052
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a star driven league, there's no doubt about it.

1053
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: So dropping to four or five, I mean it just

1054
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: creates a lottery for other teams, Like, yes, you can

1055
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: be top bomb three in this scenario. If you're the

1056
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: worst two, drop to four or five. So then three

1057
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: through fourteen, let's say.

1058
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, to have their odds off of getting the number

1059
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: one pick.

1060
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the hope it like so you're basically saying

1061
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: they're not racing to be the worst, racing to be

1062
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: very clear games at.

1063
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: The end, to actually compete. Yeah, that's the ironic parts.

1064
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: I've never heard this one, so I was at least fascinating.

1065
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 3: I Mean, the lottery odds are all fun. That's that's

1066
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 3: the interesting part is what you do with these lottery odds,

1067
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: because again, the pistons. Let's say last year, fourteen and

1068
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: sixty eight drop to number five. They get Ron Holland

1069
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: at number five. I hope he's going to be a

1070
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: great NBA player, But they drop off. It's like what

1071
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: becomes of these It's all just about pig pung balls.

1072
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: Because teams want to be teams want to get the

1073
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: number one, So do what I think the only other possibility.

1074
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: I think the interesting thing from Vorkanov is changing the

1075
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: lottery odds, extending the lottery odds to determine the top

1076
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: eight picks, as that first idea was extend the lottery

1077
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: drawing to determine the top eight picks, or go a

1078
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: little deeper, go to the fourteen where everybody sort of

1079
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 3: has the exact flat numb Yeah right, yeah, because.

1080
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: Then you're not incentive to like race to the bottom

1081
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: and have more losses. Yeah, where were got the playoffs?

1082
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: You got the equal amount as the other thirteen teams.

1083
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: I think that's but like Trey said, then we might

1084
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: have teams actually trying to purposely avoid the playoffs. Sarach

1085
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: Carper doesn't believe that would be the case, but people

1086
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: obviously disagree on that. One final idea, let's get it

1087
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: out here, get rid of the draft, just chuck it out.

1088
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: You can't tank if there's nothing to tank for now.

1089
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: Vork writes that the league just could get rid of

1090
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: it and allow each team a capped amount of money

1091
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 2: it can spend on incoming players each offseason. That would

1092
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: put agency back into the hands of the players and

1093
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: allow teams to define their rookie classes however they want.

1094
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: So we would basically get like almost like a rookie

1095
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: free agency here, if you want to call it that,

1096
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: and where everybody and how you manage your money and

1097
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: all that, and even the players dictating almost where they

1098
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: would want to go. And I think there's a lot

1099
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: of pros to that, and I think there could be

1100
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: a lot of CONTs to that. But what do you

1101
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: think of just abolishing the draft altogether.

1102
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: I think something that would be comparable to this would

1103
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: be shortening the NBA season to solve it all so

1104
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: you don't have getting away from tanking would be a

1105
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: result of just having fewer games to play, because you

1106
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 3: just can't bomb as many games. You have to actually

1107
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: play harder. I think that's that's a different way of

1108
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: doing this.

1109
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: So we lopped off at least a month of the

1110
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: regular I think it diminishes the buzz about it and

1111
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: the talk about it. Yeah, I still think there are

1112
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: teams that are going to get crafty at being bad

1113
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: and be assent advice to get the number one.

1114
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, a sixty game season is way different.

1115
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: I think, Well, we keep dreaming and keep saying it,

1116
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 2: so I don't know why we keep doing it to ourselves.

1117
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: What do you think I getting rid of the draft?

1118
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: I think it's great for workers' rights. I don't think

1119
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: it's very good for small markets because even if there

1120
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: is a cap on how much teams can offer, money wise,

1121
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: there is money to be made off the court, and

1122
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: you're making more money in a place like New York

1123
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: or LA or like Cooper Flag. You think he would

1124
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: maybe want to sign with the Celtics right like, I

1125
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it becomes the nil era. In college,

1126
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: we got four number one seats in the Final four,

1127
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: and they're saying the mid majors can't compete anymore because

1128
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: their best players get poached by the big teams. You know,

1129
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: they don't have the continuity. I think that's exactly what

1130
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: would happen in the NBA as well.

1131
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, vork wrote quote it could force teams to be

1132
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 2: more competitive, not just because there's no need to tank anymore,

1133
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: but because it would want to present itself as a

1134
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: strong landing spot in recruiting incoming players. This slurity goes

1135
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: to what you're saying about. Maybe it becomes the nil.

1136
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: There's a reason top high school recruits don't want to

1137
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: go to losing programs. Would that be so different in

1138
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: the NBA If this entire rookie class gets to pick

1139
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: or want to pick where they go and they're like,

1140
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to go play for the Hornets, you know,

1141
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: what have they done or you know the last decade,

1142
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: there would be that Maybe I guess you could argue

1143
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Maybe not. Anyway, fun ideas from borkinoff.

1144
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 2: Are there any other ones you like or anything else

1145
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 2: from this article you want to touch on? Not dust

1146
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: rules all right, I think are the way to do it. Actually,

1147
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: all non playoff teams after the All Star break, whoever

1148
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: has the most wins get the best odds. Yeah, I've

1149
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: seen this idea. So it's like, okay, so talk that

1150
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: out after the All Star break. We almost like not reset,

1151
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: but it's like now you want to win, yeah, and

1152
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: get the games. You want to get victories in the

1153
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: second half.

1154
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 1: Well, I would argue in the first half of the season,

1155
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: you also want to win, yes, but you'll keep wanting

1156
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: to win. You keep wanting to win, there's no incentive

1157
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: to lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, flip it on its head. Yeah, yeah,

1158
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: that's a popular one. How do you feel about that one?

1159
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just looking up what Yanni said about European

1160
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: players and how they want to go to big markets

1161
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: like Luca going to la is good for everybody, good

1162
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: for the entire world. Yeah, and that's something that could

1163
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: be a result of getting rid of the draft. Bigger players,

1164
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 3: bigger markets, that type of thing. So Ya would be happy,

1165
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: I guess, because yeah, it's just said, you know, it's

1166
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: something new for Europe and how they get to see

1167
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: their guys go to big franchises and like people were

1168
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: definitely saying about Yeahestet of Kumbo, why you want to

1169
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: play in Milwaukee? But but he went there and loves it, so.

1170
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's and this is a per like he's drafted,

1171
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: what do you go fifteenth? So it's like this is

1172
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: the it is the funny part of all this and

1173
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: maybe goes back to what you're saying, Trey, like is

1174
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: it a really big issue when you think about it, Like, yeah,

1175
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna want Cooper Flag. Yeah, And these teams are

1176
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: incentivized to help their chances to get it, And if

1177
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: you're a bad team, then you'd be silly right now

1178
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: current structure to not do what the Jazz are doing,

1179
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: to not do what the Wizards are doing, and like, okay,

1180
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: give us a fourteen percent chance, like he completely changes

1181
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: everything if he pans out. But there are also really

1182
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: really good players that you're gonna find two through thirty,

1183
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: I guess, or at least in the lottery that can

1184
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: be changers or outside the lottery, I guess. And honest's case,

1185
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: well it's here for me.

1186
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: The best player in the league is not even a

1187
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: first round draft pack.

1188
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right right.

1189
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: So if you're good, it doesn't matter why you're drafting.

1190
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: Let's hear from you out there, guys, what do you

1191
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: think isn't an issue? And if we need to fix it,

1192
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: what's the best solution get rid of it? Change the

1193
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: the odds like flat knit, Like we said, just if

1194
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: you're a bad team, you're in the lottery. You got

1195
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: a seven point one percent chance. It could be fun too.

1196
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: That would be great TV, no doubt about that.

1197
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: That's the most exciting.

1198
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: I mean going nuts right now, like, oh my god,

1199
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: the Raptors could win, but like we weren't.

1200
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: We weren't even trying to fix tanking last year, you know,

1201
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: because there was not a number one surefire prospect, so

1202
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a nast year. Yeah, we got a

1203
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: bad team that like the Pistons just couldn't win last year,

1204
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: Wizards couldn't win last year, and it was just like, Okay,

1205
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens at the lottery's when the year

1206
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: Cooper flag is available. So yeah, teams want Cooper flag.

1207
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: Imagine the webby year. Yeah right, if you had a

1208
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: flat lottery odds, you would have like maybe five teams

1209
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: trying to win the championship.

1210
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. All right, let's uh, let's give you

1211
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: a little pick them update because we played our final

1212
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: pick them game last night. We're not going to do

1213
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: it for the month of April, short month in the

1214
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: regular season. We don't do it in the postseason. And uh,

1215
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, we got some spring right coming up here. Basically,

1216
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: what I'm getting that is like the three of us

1217
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: are barely going to be in this classic factory all

1218
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: together for a lot of shows here in April, so

1219
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: it is done.

1220
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: To start April, then the playoffs start, will be cooking.

1221
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you worry about the postseason.

1222
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: Or even a play. And we love the play and

1223
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: no tanking, but.

1224
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 2: We're not doing pick them. But I wanted to crunch

1225
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: the numbers see how everybody did this season, and here

1226
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: it is. We were all in the forties. Trey a

1227
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: nice winning record forty nine and forty four overall, I

1228
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: with last night's victory, got above five hundreds. That was

1229
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: huge for me. I had the Celtics to cover. So

1230
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm forty seven and forty six task just under five hundred,

1231
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: forty five and forty eight. And Esh, who yes, has

1232
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: to pay off his march pick Them loss. Thank god

1233
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: he finally lost a month because overall he has the

1234
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: worst record forty two and fifty one for Esh. So

1235
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: if you have an idea for what should do to

1236
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: pay off his march, let us know. But yeah, you

1237
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: see some of our fun uh you know, pick and

1238
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: payoffs there on the screen, Tassa sitting on the can

1239
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: we have a pickle guy. Way back to start season,

1240
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: I had the pumpkin Pie task outside. That was a

1241
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: fun week, and then I did the Interstellar in the

1242
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: bookshelf challenge as well. So yeah, what can esh do?

1243
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: What can beat those? So funny though, when it was

1244
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 2: all said and done, like three of us were within

1245
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: four games.

1246
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. I know they're doing with

1247
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: those sports books. Huh.

1248
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: Are really quite good at it, all right?

1249
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: They keep winning somehow.

1250
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, three important games on tonight. There's more than three games,

1251
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 2: but the three important ones Warriors Grizzlies important when you're

1252
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 2: looking at obviously the fifth sixth seed, as we talked about,

1253
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: that's at eight o'clock Sun's Bucks. Son's gotta win, try

1254
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: and get in the damn playing bucks. Obviously they're fighting

1255
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: for their life. That one's on TNT, and then Wolves

1256
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: Nuggets follows that one on TNT. Those are the three

1257
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: most games. We'll be back tomorrow to talk about them.

1258
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,080
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00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,560
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00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome.

1263
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. And remember, I gotta go get

1264
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: that banana peel because I've had a hair You ever

1265
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: get a hair just stuck to your hands, Like if

1266
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: your hands are wet, especially and you find a stray

1267
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: loose hair gets on your hands, it just gets stuck.

1268
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,479
Speaker 3: And I want a banana peel. Just I'm gonna start

1269
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: rubbing banana peel on my hands in the morning so

1270
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: hair doesn't get stuck. Because it's happened two days in

1271
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Speaker 3: a row. It's been very aggravating. I've been at the gym.

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00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: May my hands a yeah, because my hands are on

1273
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: the floor at the gym, we're doing a match, we're

1274
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: getting after it, and then I all of a sudden

1275
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: there's a hair on my hand. I just can't get

1276
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: rid of it. But my hands are sticky. Well, banana peel.

1277
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: Change that? Well, moving or changing the draft lottery members,

1278
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: changed tanking? Probably not. That's all I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: I'm Race. The eight People