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Speaker 1: Much Information. As you may recall, it's the show that

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Speaker 1: brings you the secret histories and little known facts behind

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Speaker 1: your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more. We are

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Speaker 1: your freewheel and friends of facts, your long lost legends

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Speaker 1: of long winded lore, your truant Titans of trivia. You're

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Speaker 1: a wall associates of Arcana. My name is still.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Runtag, and I am as ever Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: And we are coming to you live from Qatar.

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Speaker 2: Did you folks expect that?

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Speaker 1: We've seen your messages and here we are back and

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Speaker 1: better than ever in Qatar?

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Speaker 2: Makes perfect sense, right, you know, Jordan, We got a

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Speaker 2: lot of fan mail from our wonderful, dedicated fan base,

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Speaker 2: and the note kept coming up. You guys need to

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Speaker 2: move to Qatar, so we did you know? Come on, guys,

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Speaker 2: we're just your humble servants.

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Speaker 1: We need our five star reviews.

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Speaker 2: Yes please, actually we do. They matter to me so much.

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Speaker 2: I've been bereft. Yeah, Jordan, how's Qatar?

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Speaker 1: It's good? It's very very good. I uh, who actually

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Speaker 1: tell them all I'm here, or should we actually just

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Speaker 1: leave it a mystery? I can't tell, you know, It's

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Speaker 1: just part of our tireless mission to deliver only the

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Speaker 1: choicest pop cultural anecdotes. It sent us around the world

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Speaker 1: and back, and now we're staging our long awaited return

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Speaker 1: in Doha, the capital of Qatar. It's like when Broadway

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Speaker 1: musicals open in Connecticut because they want to have the

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Speaker 1: out of town test run first in cause it goes bad.

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Speaker 1: So we chose Qatar just to be safe, just to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you thought my takes were hot before, now that

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Speaker 2: I'm now that I'm out of the long arm of

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Speaker 2: the US intelligence community. I'm kidding now.

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Speaker 1: In truth, we have been invited to the Web Summit

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Speaker 1: conference in Doha, and we figured this will be the

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Speaker 1: perfect time to stage our return. So here we are,

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Speaker 1: out of practice jet lag to the point where I

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Speaker 1: in front of a live audience for the first time.

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Speaker 1: And that's not all adding to this death defying feat

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Speaker 1: of podcasting. We are out here without a safety net, folks.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we are back with another hotly anticipated installment

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Speaker 1: of TMI. Oops all digressions, iigeo, I'm so excited. What

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Speaker 1: about you?

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Speaker 2: Well, they thought it couldn't be done. They did, yes,

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Speaker 2: And here we are, as ever, proving the haters wrong.

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Speaker 1: Here we are covering the globe.

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Speaker 2: Du du da da dun dun dun du du.

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Speaker 1: Gonea flood. Now it's the Jurassic Park game.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure, yeah, No, I mean I like to

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Speaker 2: think of this as the perennial underdogs.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, That's true, that is very true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you yourself are, of course the Dolph lung Green character,

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Speaker 2: and I am the novelty robot that was purchased in rockby.

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Speaker 1: Four by Paulli.

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Speaker 2: I want to say Poulli bought that ro Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I went on a first date to Rocky for and

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Speaker 1: how did that go? Not in the eighties like recently,

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Speaker 1: which is weird, But we'll we'll table that, we'll offline

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Speaker 1: that for you new listeners out there. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that this is your introduction to us, But

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Speaker 1: normally we pick a single topic discuss each episode, a movie,

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Speaker 1: this episode, we are going rogue. Higo and I have

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Speaker 1: each pooled a series of exhaustively researched trivia factoids, and

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Speaker 1: we will share them with one another. We haven't discussed

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Speaker 1: in real time and see what other stories they provoke

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Speaker 1: from our hoarder's basement of our respective minds. It's riffing

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Speaker 1: tangents of the name of the game here, at least

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Speaker 1: in my case. I've chosen anecdotes that are maybe a

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Speaker 1: not sure how well Jeffrey Katzenberg jokes translate over here. Quibi. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they have quibi over here one day,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Jamie, can we look up where we're

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Speaker 1: quibus still active? Please? That's our long running bit where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not at US conference, so we won that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, us one Rogan zero. Do you know that dogs

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Speaker 2: can get obsessive compulsive disorder from playing with laser pointers? Jordan?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I did not. We we doing the facts already.

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Speaker 1: I mean, tell me more about dogs in the psychological conditions?

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Speaker 2: Actually I can't back that up. Did you just make

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Speaker 2: that up? Noise?

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Speaker 1: Noise?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we only have the studio book for

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Speaker 1: ninety minutes, so we better get going. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to TMI. Oops, all digressions to Electric Boogloo.

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Speaker 2: Live from Qatar, Quickening the Revenge three D. We're doing it, baby,

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Speaker 2: We're doing it all right?

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Speaker 1: Should I go first through you?

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Speaker 2: I'll take a quick one first. I'm going to just

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Speaker 2: throw out a topic there for you, Jordan Electric Jug

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Speaker 2: Now what does that bring to mind for you?

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Speaker 1: Jordan Electric Jug? Band? Music? Are you talking about like sixty? Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, well no, then I don't okay, Yes, I actually am.

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Speaker 2: But you were supposed to say no, what could that

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Speaker 1: No? What could that possibly mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, Jordan, I'll answer you. Did you know that stemming

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Speaker 2: from the sort of usual folk band roots of what

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Speaker 1: We have here of is it proud.

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Speaker 2: It's very proud of men blowing over the tops of

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Speaker 2: those huge earthenware jugs that I want to say whiskey

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Speaker 1: Right, It's like the x's on that, like the three x's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, but it would carry any kind

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Speaker 1: Only liquid that comes to mind, the only for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, you used to used to sit

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Speaker 1: America was in the pocket of big jug and one bait.

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Speaker 2: Many looks right now when I said that. All right,

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Speaker 2: so we're backing off that topic. It was jugs. Drugs

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Speaker 2: I believe to this date, electric jug player, in the

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Speaker 2: form of the Thirteenth Floor Elevators. Now, was that what

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Speaker 2: you were going to? Guess where I was going with that, Jordan?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say love and spoonful, But I guess

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Speaker 2: Did Love and Spoonful also do it? Because you just

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Speaker 2: threw off my entire tangent right now?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry, Okay, Now, I I love that.

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Speaker 1: I went for broad, generalist strokes for this audience, and

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Speaker 2: Music, electrified drug music.

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Speaker 1: We're both, We're both cultural ambassadors in our very own

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Speaker 2: Well. The Thirteenth Floor Elevators were a prominent Texas garage

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Speaker 2: rock band, best known for their immortal hit You're Gonna

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Speaker 1: Rocky Erickson was the lead singer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is correct, But the actual power behind, or

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Speaker 2: Floor elevators fell apart for various reasons, many of which

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Speaker 2: I'm just now realizing that we can't mention here.

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Speaker 1: The substances, substances.

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Speaker 2: Substances were involved. Tommy Hall was the chief purveyor of

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Speaker 2: so you know, all the psychedelic imagery for them kind

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Speaker 2: publish his findings one day. This is actually part of

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Speaker 2: an overarching theory that he calls the design, and what

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Speaker 2: although I've done that before. So that was my first

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Speaker 2: Every time you listen to thirteenth Floor Elevators and the

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Speaker 2: The man playing in his Tommy Hall, architect of the

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Speaker 2: band's lyrics and psychedelic consciousness, and he's still working on

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Speaker 1: You know, aren't we all working on figuring out the

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Speaker 1: universe every day?

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Speaker 2: It's true, and I usually do this through the lens

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Speaker 2: of cinema and Jordan. I believe that leads us into

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know how I go. I gotta say this

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Speaker 1: it's got me feeling a little bit like James Bond.

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Speaker 1: And that got me thinking, you know, they're in the

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Speaker 2: So why not me?

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Speaker 1: It's the least swab spy like explanation you could possibly imagine.

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Speaker 1: That's very true. That's very true. Another name on M

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Speaker 2: I don't really think he wasn't gonna it wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: When I heart was looking for culture ambassadors, they sure

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Speaker 2: Well would you deliver it like that?

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Speaker 1: I mean you could do it like I am Batman too.

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Speaker 1: Michael Kane. I love Michael Kane. We all love Michael Kane.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't love Michael Kane. He was born Marris Micklwhite

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Speaker 2: of uh, Because wasn't it Michael Caine who watched Sean

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Speaker 1: Oh? No, you tell that, tell that you. I remember

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Speaker 1: you telling me that offline, and you tell it way

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Speaker 2: At one point, he said, in my early twenties, I

434
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Speaker 2: was running around with Seawan and Terrence Stamp, who most

435
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: people in the States will probably be familiar as General Zod.

436
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and he said, uh yeah, you know. Oh, Ever,

437
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: the humble one, Sir Michael said, every girl in London

438
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: was running after us. Sean Connor used to have parties

439
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: called bring a bottle and a bird a bird not

440
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: actually confusingly in this instance, after following the whole thing

441
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Speaker 2: about the Avian being a bird watcher, bird of course

442
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Speaker 2: being British slam for woman, and Michael kin quipped, I

443
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: couldn't afford a battle then, so I took two birds. Anyway,

444
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 2: Michael Kain continues, I was twenty three and Shawn was

445
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: twenty six, and he had just got into the chorus

446
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: of South Pacific. There's an image for you, Yeah, Sean

447
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: Connery in the chorus line of a production of South Pacific. Anyway.

448
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: He was mister Edinburgh at the time.

449
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: Ah, that's right. Yeah.

450
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: The story is one Saturday night, Sean walked into a

451
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Speaker 2: party where I was with two beautiful girls. He saw

452
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 2: me and we became friends. Once we were in a

453
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: club and some girls were on stage trying to sing.

454
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Speaker 2: Some guys behind us were giving them a hard time.

455
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: So Sewn just got up and beat all four of

456
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Speaker 2: them up while I held his coat.

457
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, he took off as Colley

458
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: followed it put it around a shell. Yes, I have

459
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: heard that story Sean Connery. Ladies and gentlemen, he was

460
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Speaker 1: James Bond in real life. We all need a friend

461
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Speaker 1: like Michael Kain or Sean Connery.

462
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Speaker 2: Or to Sean Kin, or two to Sean Kin, to

463
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Speaker 2: Michael Kaine, Vin Diesel, I think I hipped you to

464
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Speaker 2: this a few months to go.

465
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Speaker 1: Oh remind me, yeah, I remember you telling me this.

466
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Speaker 2: Michael Caine and Vin Diesel, Star Fast and Furious are

467
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: dear friends.

468
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

469
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Michael Kane cannot explain why.

470
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Speaker 1: He just like walked into a party once and saw

471
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Speaker 1: in Diesel.

472
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: Party and saw Vin Diesel and like exclaimed to the

473
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Speaker 2: room like I love this guy, he's my son, and

474
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: walked over and embraced him. So there's all these pictures

475
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: of Vin Diesel pushing Michael Caine around in a wheelchair

476
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: and hanging out, you know, strange bedfellows. I'll say in Hollywood,

477
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: not to imply anything.

478
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Speaker 1: I think I just read something about how like Sarah

479
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: Paulson paid for I want to say, Pedro Pascal's like

480
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: acting lessons or something. They have some kind of cute relationship.

481
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Speaker 2: Adorable.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And I think Denzel might have

483
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: paid for Chadwick Bozeman's lessons. I definitely, you know what

484
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Speaker 1: I think it was for our last Oops All Digressions episode.

485
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Speaker 1: I had a whole section. You had that wholesome, wholesome

486
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Speaker 1: acting stories that we didn't get to because we were

487
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: focused on rivalries and bitterness and feuds. Yeah. No, I

488
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Speaker 1: believe that's true. But Michael Kine, I mean, I love

489
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Speaker 1: Michael Kane for so many reasons. One in particular is

490
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Speaker 1: that he goes to the similarly insane lengths I do

491
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: for love. One night in nineteen seventy one, he was

492
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Speaker 1: watching TV when he saw an ad for Maxwell House

493
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Speaker 1: Coffee featuring a beautiful woman. According to Kane, it was

494
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Speaker 1: the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen. In his life.

495
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: Kane was awe struck and apparently turned to his friend

496
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Speaker 1: and said, that is the woman I'm going to marry.

497
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: She'd been on the screen for eight seconds, but that

498
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Speaker 1: is all it took. He became obsessed with finding her

499
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Speaker 1: and leaned on his friends in the advertising world to

500
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Speaker 1: track her down. For some reason, he believed she lived

501
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: in Brazil and was fully prepared to fly there, but

502
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: then one of his ad buddies came through and informed

503
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Speaker 1: him that her name was Shakira baksh and she lived

504
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Speaker 1: down the road in London. He called her up and

505
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: asked her to dinner.

506
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Speaker 2: She said no.

507
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Speaker 1: This happened ten times. He rejected him ten times before

508
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Speaker 1: finally agreeing to go to dinner, where he quote fell

509
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Speaker 1: in love in eight minutes, and they've been married since

510
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. He gave up smoking and drinking for her.

511
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: He said that she's made his life better in immeasurable ways.

512
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: I find that very sweet and one of the strongest

513
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: couples in Hollywood. Adorable emotionally not physically. He's very old

514
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: now anyway. Michael Caine was considered to play James Bond.

515
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: He'd already played Harry Palmer in nineteen sixty five is

516
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Speaker 1: the Ipcress File, but ultimately the Bond producers went another way.

517
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Speaker 1: Cam would later claim that he was quote too ordinary

518
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Speaker 1: to play James Bond, saying I was always much more ordinary,

519
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: but Bond was glamorous. I've always played real people. And

520
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: he also inferred that his friendship with Connory might have

521
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Speaker 1: influenced his decision, saying you didn't raise the subject of

522
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Speaker 1: Bond around him. Following his acrimonious departure, Connery, as has

523
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Speaker 1: been noted many times, was a very tempestuous man. Years later, Heigel,

524
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Speaker 1: I hope you don't know the story, because I love

525
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: it so much. He was working with a trainer and

526
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Speaker 1: apparently they had some terse words and the trainer sort

527
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: of accidentally on purpose, broke Connery's wrist. That trainer's name

528
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: was Steven Sagal. Yeah, that seems like something that you

529
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Speaker 1: would know.

530
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Speaker 2: I mean, I assume at one point Stephen Sigall was

531
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Speaker 2: good at martial arts before becoming an apparatchic of the

532
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Speaker 2: of the Russian State.

533
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Speaker 1: And a blues musician.

534
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, songs from the Crystal Cave. Yes, boy, that's a

535
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: deep cut. Yea man. The less said about Steven Sigal,

536
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: the better.

537
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the more said about Michael Kine the better,

538
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: because Michael Kine rules. I love him so much, So

539
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: many great Michael Kaine's stories. My favorite. Have you heard

540
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: the quote aout him when he's talking about why he

541
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: start in Jaws the Revenge, which is like I have

542
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: he certainly this was spoiled for me. But please tell

543
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: the people, Okay. Yeah. Michael Kaine was a man who

544
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: did not turn down work. He came from poverty, so

545
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: he had no problem doing movies just for a paycheck.

546
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: And somebody asked him, you know, why did you do

547
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: that horrible Jaws sequel? And he said, I've never seen

548
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: the film. By all accounts, it was terrible. However, I

549
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: have seen that house that it built, and it's terrific.

550
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: Michael Caine, Ladies and gentlemen. So Michael Caine has passed

551
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: over to play James Bond. This option, I can't believe

552
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: they were considering going with this. They were considering Tom Jones,

553
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: the Welsh belter Tom what's new Pussycat Jones?

554
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Have you seen Tom Jones really cut

555
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: loose on stage? That man has a leonine physicality.

556
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: He does. He's a lion. Yes, I have seen that.

557
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: Actually have all the ones I've mentioned, He's probably the

558
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: one that have the least problem with that's right, So

559
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: that's pretty funny. They also when Sean Connery was looking

560
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: to leave, we're looking at a number of Americans, which

561
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: I find really strange. One of whom was Clint Eastwood,

562
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: who was extremely famous at this time from his appearance

563
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: as the Man with No Name and so Giolioni's iconic

564
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: Western trilogy The Dollars Trilogy. Eastwood did the sensible thing

565
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: and said that, yeah, I kind of think that Bond

566
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: should be British. I think he kind of feel that

567
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: there was gonna be a backlash if an American took

568
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: over the job. They also considered Adam West, who was

569
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: also extremely famous at this time for playing Batman on TV.

570
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner was considered, and Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds he

571
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: turned down. He said, in my stupidity, I said, an

572
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: American can't play James Bond. It has to be an Englishman.

573
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: And you know what, later I realized, Nah, I could

574
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: have done it, which sounds like I can only really

575
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: hear that in like the Norm McDonald Burt Reynolds impression voice.

576
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I could have done it, could have done

577
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: it well, James Bond, Yeah, chewing absently.

578
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like to imagine, Oh man, can you

579
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: just imagine what life Adam West would have had had

580
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: he been Batman and Bond?

581
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, who else who has had too? I know

582
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: there's like a big one that I'm completely skipping. Who

583
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: has had two massive characters that they've played in their career?

584
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: It's too broad man, What are you talking about.

585
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Like huge franchise characters, Like there's some I'm forgetting somebody

586
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: move on?

587
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Move on?

588
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: All right, fine, fine, I don't have that at the

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: top of my head.

590
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: Keep going.

591
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: I'll blow through the rest of the Bond. Apparently they

592
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: were considering Dick Van Dyke. The Bond producers asked Dick

593
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Van Dyke, and Dick Van Dyke this is he said,

594
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: he was on the Today Show recently. He is very old,

595
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: so maybe starting to make stuff up, having Quincy Jones

596
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: syndrome and just starting to make things up. He said, yeah.

597
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Albert Brockley, the producer James Bond came to me and said,

598
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: how would you like to be Bond, and I said,

599
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: have you heard my British accent? Which is a reference

600
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: to his awful British accent in Mary Poppins.

601
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: I feel like that was one of like the first

602
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: British accents I ever heard in my life. Though, so like,

603
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: whenever people would talk about that and you thought that

604
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: was what it was, I was like, don't they just

605
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 2: sound like that?

606
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, James Brolin. Once Roger Moore was going to

607
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: wrap up, he felt that the job was his. He

608
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: ended up buying an apartment where they were filming, and

609
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: he started training, I think with his own money, but

610
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: unfortunately he didn't have it in writing and someone Roger

611
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: Moore decided that he wanted to one more Bond movie.

612
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: James Brolin was stuck and he was very sad. And

613
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: Brolin wasn't the only man heartbroken by the Bond people.

614
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: In the early eighties, Steven Spielberg desperately wanted to direct

615
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: the Bond movie, but he was turned down by the producers.

616
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: And when he told his friend George Lucas, Lucas said

617
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: he had a film quote just like James Bond, but

618
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: even better. It was a story about an archaeologist named

619
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones, And isn't the reason George Lucas created Star

620
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Wars was because he couldn't get the rights to make

621
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: Flash Gordon something like that. I think I read that. Yeah,

622
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: and he was gonna make eleven installments George Lucas before

623
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: he decided that was insane. Presumably.

624
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm not the most well versed in

625
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: Star Wars. Low, it was a huge part of my life,

626
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: and it then it became one of the most disappointing

627
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: parts of my life, next to many other things.

628
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Music.

629
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Speaker 2: But well, why stop there, Jordan? But yeah, the original god,

630
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Speaker 2: what was the original line for?

631
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: There was a pitch for Oh, I know what you're

632
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: talking about.

633
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: It was like one sentence that he was carrying around

634
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: to people, and it's in the book Easy Writers and

635
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: Raging Bulls.

636
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh that is a great book. Yeah. Was the term

637
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: space opera involved?

638
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: No, but it's something about like this is the story. Yeah.

639
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: Within within a year of writing, Lucas had one sentence

640
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: of Star Wars saying, this is the story of Mace Windu,

641
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: which is like an ancillary character eventually played by Samuel

642
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson. As we all know, Easy writer. Raising Bulls

643
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: is an incredible book, mostly for how much how intertwined

644
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: Lucas and Coppola were.

645
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you.

646
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: Know, everyone knows the American Graffiti bit. But as sort

647
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: of George began breaking in money hand over fist, Copela

648
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: actually kind of went to him hat in hand, being like, hey, man,

649
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: can I have some money now that you're like the

650
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: richest person on earth and I like helped get your

651
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Speaker 2: early stuff made, And George Lucas was.

652
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Speaker 1: Like, no, really, you can't. I didn't know that.

653
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Coppola is very interesting in that book.

654
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: I mean he went straight down the Bolivia marching powder

655
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: hole and did not come out. And maybe also his

656
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: own ego to you know, just spending money like he

657
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 2: was paid to do it. He was really bless his

658
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: heart invested in trying to launch San Francisco as a

659
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: film production alternative hub to Hollywood. And so that's why

660
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: he founded American Zoo Trope. You know, he bought this

661
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: enormous building that was going to be the headquarters and

662
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: where we had lunch, correct, where we had lunch, that's

663
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: correct in the North Beach neighborhood. And after apocalypse now

664
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: just like cleaned him out. He was just kind of

665
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: bereft for a while and they were just a number

666
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: of flops and then he basically just kind of became

667
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: a jobber actually, like a work for hire guy.

668
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: But we did like Jack and stuff like that in

669
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: the nineties.

670
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: But he was, I mean, he was quite admirably being like,

671
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: let's set up Hollywood b and like rest control away

672
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: from all these LA studios. And probably the person that

673
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: he could have done it with was Lucas, because Lucas

674
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: had that much money, and Lucas sort of did, but

675
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: he just he sort of did set up hollywould Be.

676
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: But it was called Skywalker Ranch and it's out in

677
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Marin and they don't shoot so much there as they

678
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: do anymore is record a boat load of stuff.

679
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: That's right.

680
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: Skywalker Sound has actually become like a first call studio

681
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: for all kinds of stuff these days. But yeah, and

682
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I think that might have soured their relationship like forever.

683
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it was this whole thing in the era

684
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: when they would just trade points on stuff speculatively back

685
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: and forth. They would be like, oh, well, like if

686
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: you give me five million towards bridging this gap, I'll

687
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: give you a point on this thing, and then the

688
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: movies would flop and people would either kind of forgive

689
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: that debt or come come to collect and the person

690
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I don't have that, And I think

691
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: it was one of those situations where just like the

692
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: money kind of got crossed. And Coppola was like, when

693
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: you were down and I was up, I helped you.

694
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Now that you're up and I'm down, you can help me.

695
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: And George Lucas was like, I don't think I'll be

696
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: doing that, Francis. I've seen how you spend money.

697
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: And he ever learned because now I got Metropolis And

698
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: isn't he like selling.

699
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: He's selling his wristwatches.

700
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll

701
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: be right back with more. Too much information in just

702
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: a moment.

703
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Speaker 2: What were we talking about?

704
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: Talking about James Bond and how James Bond ended up

705
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: birthing Indiana Jones because Spielberg couldn't get a job directing

706
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: one of the Bond movies. But he got the last

707
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: laugh because for the Last Crusade he hired Connery, the

708
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: original James Bond, to be Indiana Jones's dad, which in

709
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of ways spiritually he is. And you know, well, no,

710
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: wat I got another fact, Tygle, I've got so many

711
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: facts you wouldn't believe, you know, what's kind of the thing.

712
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: But well, you know that the famous image of Indiana

713
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: Jones in the white dinner jacket with the red our

714
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: nation that's taken from one of the early James Bond movies.

715
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: That's I think it was in Doctor No. I think

716
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: it was the first Bond movie that was an homage

717
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: to James Bond.

718
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: I simply never would have guessed.

719
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what are you saying?

720
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: I actually completely forgot it now, adhd. It's a wonderful

721
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 2: condition to have. Nope, it is completely gone. But now

722
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Harrison Ford in a white dinner jacket. So hey,

723
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: things aren't all bad.

724
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Things are looking up from that cycle the world. All right,

725
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: I'll blow through the last bunch. Mel Gibson was considered.

726
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?

727
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I remember what I was gonna say. Steven Spiegeger

728
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: would have crushed a Bond movie.

729
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course he would have. Spielberg would have been

730
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: amazing if the bat jerk to Bond movie.

731
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: Kidding my god, at the top of his powers, what

732
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: is wrong with them?

733
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: Any This would have been like eighty so I probably

734
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: would have been like Moonraker or like one of those. Yeah,

735
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Moonraker for Spielberg, Moonraker after after close Encounters and all those.

736
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it'd be incredible. Yeah, I know that

737
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: that was somebody fumbled that.

738
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: This is what they took from us. This is what

739
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: they took from me.

740
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: They took so much from.

741
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: Us mel Gibson, let's see, well, he wouldn't know.

742
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: They have been right after Mad Max. It was hot

743
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: off a Mad Max.

744
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: And that, but they would have never let it off

745
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: the British let an all Australian be James Bond, George Lazenbye.

746
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: He did one Bond. He was Australian, he was he

747
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: was an Australian model. He only lasted one.

748
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: But that was his I was gonna say. Mel Gibson's

749
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: accent at the time was so strong that they dubbed

750
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: the original Mad Max. Right, that's not his speaking voice

751
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: in the original What I didn't know that?

752
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Wait, that's crazy, that's that's vaguely disappointing. That's the most

753
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: disappointing thing Mel Gibson has ever done. I say that

754
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: here anyway, Sam Neil, A pre Jurassic Park Sam Neil,

755
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? That's James Bond.

756
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: Sam Neil could do absolutely zero wrong in my heart.

757
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, this would have been right after

758
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: he did Omen three, I believe.

759
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's when he played is a grown up

760
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: Damien now running for president. I actually, you know, it's

761
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: kind of amazing. Everyone thinks of him as you know

762
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 2: doctor grant In in Jurassic Park. But you know, Sam

763
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: Neil has a cozy little niche in horror movies as

764
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: like the extra dimensional like cosmic horror guy. He was

765
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: in a movie called Possession, which is one of the

766
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: absolutely craziest divorced movies of all time. Polish director's name

767
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: I cannot pronounce, co starring the most beautiful woman in

768
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: the world. What is her name?

769
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: Monica?

770
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: Nope? Close though, yes, actually Isabella Johnny, Yes, Johnny and

771
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: Sam Neil. And then he went and followed that up

772
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: with I think Omen three, And then he's in a

773
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: lesser John Carpenter movie called At the Mouth of Madness,

774
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: which is loosely love Craftian. So you know, I just

775
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: got to give it to Sam Neil. For oh, and

776
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: then he was in an event Horizon, which is like

777
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: a haunted house space ship movie essentially.

778
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: So I just, you know, you think Sam Neil's neat.

779
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: I do think he's he makes neat choices and I

780
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: enjoy his ouvra.

781
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. Uh. Interestingly, not one but two actors

782
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: who would later co star on Schindler's List were considered

783
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: for James Bond in the late eighties or early nineties,

784
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: Liam Neeson and Ray Fines. Liam Neeson wanted to do it,

785
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: but his wife to be Natasha Richardson, refused to marry

786
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: him if he did. But very funny, I'm quite sure

787
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: what that overlap was, but he was like, yeah, I

788
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: really wanted to marry her, so I turned that down.

789
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: So we can do it now, right, He could the

790
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: oldest James Bond. No, he's with uh, I think he's

791
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: still with Pamela Anderson.

792
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, Okay, Ray finds

793
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: in that era, I could see him being a really

794
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: good James Bond. He said he felt really uncomfortable all dish,

795
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: and he said he would have felt better if they'd

796
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: set the Bond movies in the fifties. And I could

797
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: see him playing like a classy again white dinner jacketed

798
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: James Bond in like the late fifties. That would be

799
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: very good for him. I feel like, how do you

800
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: feel about that?

801
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: M Ray Fine scares me actually, which elaborated well, I mean,

802
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: you know, not just from being Voldemort, but for being

803
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: the character in Chindler's List.

804
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and that would have been around the

805
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: same era too.

806
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also terrifying in Bruges, like hilarious but also

807
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: like very scary. I mean, yes, of course he can

808
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: be charming, but I actually would find that frightening.

809
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: Deeply unsettling. Well he was. He did get his moment

810
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: of sixties British spy dumb. He was in the nineties

811
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: movie version of The Avengers, the British sixties spish show,

812
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: which also had Sean Connery in it. He's the villain

813
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: who's trying to control the weather. I believe, sure, yeah,

814
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: something like that. But Ray Fines he did get his

815
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: moment of Bond dum. He replaced Judy Dench as Bond's boss,

816
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: the chief of M I six M.

817
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: I forgot that, but I was just I know, I

818
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: kind of like he replaced Dame Judy Dench in Elizabeth.

819
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: In Shakespeare in Love. Yeah, Hugh Jackman was considered after

820
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnan was hanging up the Tucks in two thousand

821
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: and two, after Diana the Day or the World's Not Enough.

822
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: I forget which one. This was just after he did

823
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: X Men.

824
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: And therefore he became an enormous pile of human growth hormones.

825
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman. Oh yeah, Oh that's disappointing.

826
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: No, I mean everybody was. I mean, there's no he was.

827
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean he was pushing his You know what's really interesting,

828
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: I just have Arnold Schwarzenegger on the mind. Who doesn't

829
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: these days you so often do as I so often do. Yeah,

830
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, there's no way he wasn't. I'm

831
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: sorry he was by the time he was in that

832
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: third Wolry movie where he was like maximally jacked. He

833
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: was God, it had to be in his above forty

834
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: and one of the things that I thought was interested

835
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: I was listening to as we think about Terminator and

836
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: speaking of on speaking of lengths that people go to

837
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: prepare for Terminator, Arnold was apparently so this is adorable,

838
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: speaking of like director, actor friendships. James Cameron took Arnold

839
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: Schwarzeninger out to lunch to the sort of like, you know,

840
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: a pitch him the thing pitched him on the Terminator.

841
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: But Cameron was so broke making that film that he

842
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: could not cover the lunch, and so Arnold picked up

843
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: the check for him being wooed. But they just became

844
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: such good friends, and that's why he was in True Lies,

845
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: and they went on to do They went on to

846
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: do not just the Terminator sequel, but True Lies together

847
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 2: and anyway. So that's adorable. But one of the things

848
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: that Arnold did to prepare for that movie was just

849
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: go down to the gun range and spend hours shooting

850
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: like every gun that he could get his hands on,

851
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: for the purpose of training himself not to blink when

852
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: guns went off. On the set of that.

853
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Movie, I thought the RoboCop guy did that too.

854
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: Peter Weller maybe. I think Peter Weller probably didn't have

855
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: to train himself to Peter Peller's still Peter Weller has

856
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: like a doctorate in Italian art. Yeah, he's a PhD.

857
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right.

858
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: And here's something, here's another fun fact. Do you know

859
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: which movie earned Arnold the most money. I don't think

860
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: you'll guess.

861
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: Is it one of the stupid Like, is it like

862
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Twins or some comedy you do.

863
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: Twins? Forty million for twins?

864
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got paid, Like did he get points on

865
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: the back end or was at his salary?

866
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Speaker 2: Well, no one wanted to cast him into comedy, and

867
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Speaker 2: he was just like, I want to do comedy. I

868
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Speaker 2: want to make the children laugh.

869
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: Presumably, Wait then why why did he demand so much

870
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Speaker 1: money for that?

871
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: Then he didn't, he said he demanded he demanded no money. Oh,

872
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: and he just said, I'll do points, okay, and it

873
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: got in when that well million, Yes, that's insane. Okay,

874
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: that move made two hundred and sixteen million dollars worldwide.

875
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: That's obscene. That upsets me.

876
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: And you know what it's really going to upset you.

877
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

878
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: Do you know who they were going to add to

879
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: make the movie Triplets? No, Eddie Murphy. Okay, imagine a

880
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: world where that came to pass.

881
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: So, Hugh Jackman did not play James Bond. Neither did

882
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: Christian Bail. He was considered before they cast Daniel Craig.

883
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: It's a testament to how low the stock for James

884
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: Bond had fallen. So many people turned down James Bond

885
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: after the Piers Brazen era, and Christian Bale was extremely

886
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: negative towards the idea. Barbara Broccoli, one of the producers

887
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: for the Bond franchise, said the job was Christians for

888
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: the asking, but he said, it's every despicable stereotype about

889
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: England and British actors, and I already played a serial killer,

890
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: a reference to Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. So Christian

891
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: Bale was very cold in the idea of playing James Bond.

892
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Clive Owen, who's a guy that I often confused for

893
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: Daniel Craig. He apparently wanted points on the back end

894
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: of the Pond movies and they were like, nope, get lost.

895
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: And he had an incredible quote about this. He said,

896
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: am I gonna be the next Sean Connery? No, I'll

897
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: just be the next Clive Owen, and we should all

898
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: aspire to that level of self confidence. I like that.

899
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: I wonder what he would have been coming off, maybe

900
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: since city, like, I have no idea how he got it,

901
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: since he is an action star. But have you ever

902
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: seen the movie that he apparently made. Instead of becoming

903
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: James Bond called Shoot Him Up.

904
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: Oh, no, children of Man. I thought children a man?

905
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: No children, amen is no, that's a great one. No,

906
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: he made just a very brick stupid action movie called

907
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: Shoot Him Up Rick, which is oh my god, it's

908
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: it's it's awful, and I sadly cannot detail one of

909
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: the most hilarious things that happened in that movie, but

910
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: legal reasons. Google it, folks.

911
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Finally, Superman star Henry Cavell was a finalist

912
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: to play James Bond in Casino Royal, but he was

913
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: just twenty two and producers thought he was too young.

914
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: In fact, he thought he was too young too. Daniel

915
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Craig was thirty eight when he started James Bond in

916
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Wow, that's crazy. But he's still apparently

917
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: very interested in it, and I guess there are talks

918
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: about getting him in as the new James Bond, now

919
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: that Craig has retired from the.

920
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: Role, now that Cavell has no job. Yes, they took

921
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: Superman away from Who would your choice be? Who would

922
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: be my choice to play James Bond? I you know,

923
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: I don't care. We've talked about this before. I'm sorry.

924
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: I know, I can't believe that you're not a James

925
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: Bond guy, because, dude, my theater going age was the Decline.

926
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: I was too young to see GoldenEye. I played the

927
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: N sixty four games. So then my like only films

928
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: that I got to see where the two last bad ones.

929
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pierce Broson's last ones were not good Bond movies.

930
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, but the.

931
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: Original like the Connery one, the gold Fingers a classic.

932
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I mean, you know, I like them

933
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: for all the right reasons. I like no, mister by

934
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: no means mister Bond, I expect you to die. Say yeah, Bond,

935
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: I expect you to die. Yeah, such great, great line

936
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: readings and great everything. You know what they should you

937
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: know what they should do. How about this, I'm gonna

938
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: pitch you something New Job in which, oh Bond's new job. Okay, no, no, no.

939
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: The movie is called New Job in which odd Jobs.

940
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Great great grandson grows up to take revenge on James Bond.

941
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: This was my grandfather's hat. That's good. It's got low

942
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: note bom.

943
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things you never know about your

944
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: grandfather blowing.

945
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: Dust off the brim of the hat.

946
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, lifts it, lifts it out, blows dust on it,

947
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: maybe runs his finger around, and he goes, ah, little

948
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: drop of blood, push it and zoom on that. I

949
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: need to go to America. Wait, no, I need to

950
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: go to Britain. I need to go somewhere. And he

951
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: will be played by Henry Cavill actually in a very

952
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: confusing twist. Remember everything we say here counts as a

953
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: verbal hop trademark, So Hollywood don't get any big ideas

954
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: without my name on the check and Jordan's.

955
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: Or Doha, Doha, don't get any big ideas.

956
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you too, Doha, You're on notice.

957
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: You've had it too good for too long. Um. That

958
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: is the end of James Bond segment. That is a

959
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: that was a third of my notes.

960
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: How did you pass over the fact that Shaquille O'Neal

961
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: wanted to be in the X Men movie?

962
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, right, I forgot the actually did share these

963
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: with here. Yes, Shaquille O'Neal begged to be in the

964
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Speaker 1: X Men movies and they kept turning him down. Also

965
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: on in a similar note of well, I was gonna

966
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: say extremely qualified, Tequil O'Neil. I don't know how qualified

967
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: he would have been to be in the X Men movie.

968
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Speaker 1: He's probably pretty qualified, I guess. Bruce Springsteen wrote a

969
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: song and offered it to the to the Harry Potter people,

970
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: and JK. Rowling was like, no, we don't want it. Thanks.

971
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: That's amazing. It's so funny.

972
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's funny that he wrote

973
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: a song for the Harry Potter franchise or the Harry

974
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 1: Potter franchise didn't want it. It's both.

975
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Walking down Platform seven three.

976
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Quarters, Hey, thanks Bruce. Thanks for the song. Bruce. You know,

977
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna go another way, but.

978
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: Weird that it's all about Detroit.

979
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: You know that. But it doesn't really have to do

980
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: much with the decline of the auto industry. But thanks Bruce.

981
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, really impressive you You managed to jam Hermione with

982
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: real life mining catastrophe. Impressive bit of songwriting. But no,

983
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: it's a no from JK.

984
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Jak Jake. I didn't want to.

985
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so I had some I had a fun

986
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: one avant garde director category. Oh did you know this, Jordan?

987
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: And I don't think that you would have because the

988
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: documentary is new which avatar of American Experimental Cinema was

989
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: present at the very first Beatles concert in the United States.

990
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: You're asking me a Beatles question. Of course I know this.

991
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: It's David Lynch.

992
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: That's correct, sir.

993
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: You can't ask me a Beatles related question. I know

994
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: everything about the Beatles. Yeah.

995
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: I was just kind of doing that to shove the

996
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: Beatles in here, because I knew it would make you happy. Yes,

997
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: David Lynch's father was in the Department of Forestry, and

998
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: they moved around a lot, but they were living in

999
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: Alexandra at the time. And I think, as we mentioned

1000
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: in our Razorhead episode Young Eagle Scout, David Lynch once

1001
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: met JFK in the same sittings. So then he had

1002
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: gotten a ticket to the Beatles' first US concert at

1003
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Speaker 2: the Washington called Oh see Him follow up to that

1004
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: apropos of nothing, did you know, Jeordan? Are you familiar

1005
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: with the film Werner Hertzog eats his shoe?

1006
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar, but I guess you don't forget a

1007
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: title like that.

1008
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: So Warner Hertzog my beloved. He completed this film Burden

1009
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: of Dreams with this Northern California, specifically Berkeley filmmaker named

1010
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: Les Blank. Yeah, Les Blank's films are incredible, but so

1011
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: Les Blank was there when Werner Hertzog was trying to

1012
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: make FITZGERALDO and move an actual steamship over a mountain

1013
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: in the amazons Well Hill an isthmus to be precise,

1014
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: but so Herzog has this like Berkeley connection and Errol

1015
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: Morris documentary filmaker. Er Morris, perhaps most famous for The

1016
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: Thin Blue Line, was a graduate philosophy student at UC Berkeley,

1017
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: and Hertzog made this offhand val to Errol Morris once

1018
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: while talking there, presumably at the behest of Les Blank.

1019
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: He said, when I see finished movie, I will eat

1020
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: my shoe. And then there's another guy who said it

1021
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: was somewhat less encouraging than that. He said, you'll never

1022
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: make a movie to Errol Morris, but if you do,

1023
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I'll come and eat my shoe at the premiere.

1024
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: When was shoe eating such a big popular expression.

1025
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: It's a fun idiom. I guess I'll eat my hat

1026
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: would probably be in the Maybe just Werner just wanted

1027
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: to make it make it difficult for himself. Errol Morris

1028
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: says he does not remember this, but the fact of

1029
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: the matter is is that it does, in fact occur

1030
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: at famed Berkeley restaurant Shapanee by many people for having

1031
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: you know, Alice Waters, chef widely credited with starting like

1032
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: the farmed table movement in California cuisine that came out

1033
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: of Shapinee in Berkeley, along with the Garlic Gilroy Festival

1034
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: and the book that inspired it simply called the Garlic Book,

1035
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: and then the Less Blank film Garlic Is as Good

1036
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 2: as Ten Mothers. So, assisted by Alice Water at Shapinee,

1037
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: Herzog boiled a pair of his shoes for five hours

1038
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: with garlic, herbs, and I believe beef stock, and he

1039
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: was later shown eating one of those shoes in front

1040
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: of the audience at the premiere of Errol Morris's documentary

1041
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: about a pet cemetery called Gates of Heaven. He however,

1042
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: did not eat the sole of the shoe, as he explained,

1043
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: one does not eat the bones of the chicken.

1044
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: Isn't that what they did during the siege of Stalingrad

1045
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: when no food could get in that they started boiling

1046
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: leather suitcases as like sort of the closest thing to

1047
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: meat that they could get.

1048
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Jordan, that is correct.

1049
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: So there was a precedent for this in the Eastern

1050
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: block of boiling leather to eat, okay, a proud tradition

1051
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: of leather consumption.

1052
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: H As you meditate on that, we'll be right back

1053
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: with more too much information after these messages.

1054
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: Wow. One of the first things I did when I

1055
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: arrived here was exchanged by US dollars for the guitar reale,

1056
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: which was exciting for me because it was a little kid.

1057
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: I loved collecting coins and foreign currency. I was just

1058
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: fascinated by how it came in all kinds of colors

1059
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: and shapes and denominations. So I thought to do a

1060
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: quick spotlight on some interesting kinds of money from across

1061
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: space and time. There are one hundred and eighty currencies

1062
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Speaker 1: in the world, spanning roughly one hundred and ninety five countries.

1063
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: I say roughly because that gets into the complicated matter

1064
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: of which countries are technically recognized, which we are not

1065
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: getting into right now. These spam from the Azerbaijani mona

1066
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: to the Zambian quacha. Of course, there's also more than

1067
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Speaker 1: four hundred currencies that have been withdrawn, like the Italian lira,

1068
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: French franc or Spanish perseda, which were all taken out

1069
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: by the Euro, which is a very sad day for

1070
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: a young currency collector like myself. Of course, currency became

1071
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: a stand in for objects to use for bartering in

1072
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: ancient times, and some of these may surprise you. The

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00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: Aztecs used coco beans as money. They were so valuable

1074
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: that they were even counterfeited, which says so much about

1075
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: human nature. In ancient Japan, rice was used as currency,

1076
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Speaker 1: the value of which was measured in cookou, which was

1077
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: enough rice to feed one person for a year. Salt,

1078
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: rather famously, was a highly valued commodity in ancient times

1079
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: because of its properties as a preservative, was often referred

1080
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: to as white gold. Large palmejan and cheese wheels acted

1081
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: as both edible currency and collateral medieval Italy. The long

1082
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: aging process and costly preparation made them valuable trading commodities

1083
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: that could be divided as needed for payments. And buckskins

1084
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: were traded in North America, which is where we get

1085
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: the slang term buck for dollar. Now to me, he

1086
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: the most interesting form of currency is the rye stones

1087
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: found on the Yap Islands of Macronesia. People there traded

1088
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: large limestone discs called rye, which could be as large

1089
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: as twelve feet in diameter. Rye meant whale in the

1090
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: native language because they were so big and heavy. These

1091
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: are interesting to me because they had no practical or

1092
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: intrinsic value. The community just decided that they did. It

1093
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: was purely a social construct, which is kind of mind blowing.

1094
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: The value was determined in part by whether or not

1095
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: the stone was delivered to the area by a famous

1096
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: explorer or sailor, and sometimes by how many people died

1097
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: transporting it. The abstract nature of this currency is compounded

1098
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: by the fact that they were very rarely moved. Ownership

1099
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: was determined by collective recognition and could be passed on

1100
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: without anyone actually handling or even seeing the stone. Each

1101
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: large stone carried an oral tradition of its past owners.

1102
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: In one case, a massive Rye stone sank to the

1103
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: ocean floor during transport by canoe, and oh it was

1104
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: never recovered, the community agreed that it still existed, and

1105
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: it still continued to be traded, just like any other stone.

1106
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: The first known currency was created by the Lydians in

1107
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: six hundred BC. They struck coins from a mixture of

1108
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: gold and silver called electrum. The Romans for the first

1109
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: to standardized currency throughout the empire by minting coins with

1110
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: the image of the emperor, thus providing a sense of

1111
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: economic unity throughout their vast territories. The oldest currency that

1112
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: still in use today is the British pounds sterling, which

1113
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: dates back to Anglo Saxon times and roughly seven to

1114
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: seventy five AD, and as you may expect, early currency

1115
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: took the form of metal coins, hence the phrase cold

1116
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: hard cash, which was quite literal at the time. In

1117
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: those early systems, a coin's value was tied directly to

1118
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: the type and quantity of metal it contained. Gold was

1119
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: worth more than silver, and silver worth more than bronze,

1120
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: et cetera. Over time, however, currency began to drift away

1121
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: from intrinsic value and towards symbolic value, much like the

1122
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: Rye stones. Money was worth what was collectively agreed it

1123
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: was worth, rather than what it could be melted down for.

1124
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: That shift laid the groundwork for the modern fiat currency. Today,

1125
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: the idea that a coin's material defines its value was

1126
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: almost completely vanished, so much so that some modern coins

1127
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: like the American penny actually cost more to produce than

1128
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: their face value, which is why it's being phased out

1129
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: these days. Coin stay in circulation for about twenty to

1130
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,479
Speaker 1: thirty years, which is when they become too warned to use,

1131
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: and every year TSA officials collect roughly a million dollars

1132
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: in unclaimed money at American airports from people who empty

1133
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: their pockets at security and just leave it. China was

1134
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: the first country to circulate paper money, the giouzi, during

1135
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: the Song dynasty between nine sixty and twelve seventy nine

1136
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: a d. This was known as flying money because the

1137
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: wind would take them so easily. The largest banknote ever

1138
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: made to date was in the Philippines to commemorate one

1139
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: hundred years of Spanish rule, and it was fourteen inches

1140
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: long by eight point five inches wide, which is larger

1141
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: than your standard piece of printer. The smallest paper currency

1142
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: was printed in Romania in nineteen seventeen, and that was

1143
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: just under two inches long. The Swiss have adopted a

1144
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: vertical banknote to be more practical because they're Swiss, and

1145
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: Canadian banknotes feature braille because they're compassionate and hey, this

1146
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: is fun. Ninety percent of US bills are coded with

1147
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: illicit substances which I won't elaborate on. The cost of

1148
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: producing paper money depends on many factors, such as the

1149
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: size of the banknote, its security features, and the production quantity.

1150
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: According to the German Federal Bank, a euro banknote costs

1151
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: an average of eight cents to produce, while the US

1152
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve says that the cost of printing paper money

1153
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: ranges from seven cents to twenty cents per note. The

1154
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: process of making these bills is very interesting because they

1155
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: have to pass through many hands, especially low value notes

1156
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: like You're one, five, and ten dollars bills. They are

1157
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: put through extreme stress tests. In the United States, paper

1158
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: bills are exposed to two hundred and fifty degrees of

1159
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: hot air for thirty minutes, put through a washing machine

1160
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: cycle at four hundred spins per minute, and they are

1161
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: also pressed for five minutes under a three hundred and

1162
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: twenty degree iron. The US Bureau of Engraving and Printing

1163
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: produces about thirty eight million notes a day, worth approximately

1164
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: five hundred forty one million dollars. Yes, the Mint creates

1165
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: five hundred and forty one million dollars in bills a day.

1166
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: The Federal Reserve printed approximately three point three trillion dollars

1167
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty alone, and each year a staggering one

1168
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy billion banknotes are shredded and replaced with

1169
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: brand new ones. As we touched on earlier, money comes

1170
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: in all shapes and sizes and also denominations, from the

1171
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: humble one dollar bill to the one hundred quintrillion pagos

1172
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: note circulated by the Republic of Hungary in nineteen forty six.

1173
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: The country was going through a hyperinflation at the time,

1174
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 1: and they issued a note for one hundred quintillion, which

1175
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: is a number that I thought was made up. That's

1176
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: ay ten with twenty zeros after it. That extremely high number.

1177
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: The note was worth approximately twenty US cents at the time,

1178
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: and Germany went through a similar period of hyperinflation following

1179
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: the First World War. You could see photos of women

1180
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: bringing wheelbarrows of bills to the bakery just to get

1181
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread, or children playing with stacks of

1182
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: bills like building blocks because they were effectively worthless. And

1183
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: I actually have some bills from this era that were

1184
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: initially things like ten marks, and then there was a

1185
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: crude stamp over top that says ten billion marks. Very interesting,

1186
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: but not all money is worthless. Take Canada. Canada broke

1187
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: a record when it issued the one million dollar coin

1188
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: dubbed the Big Maple Leaf in two thousand and seven.

1189
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: It was made of ninety nine point nine to nine

1190
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: percent pure gold bullion that weighs two hundred and twenty

1191
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: pounds and measures twenty inches in diameter. It's basically a

1192
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: gold frisbee, only five or ever made. Despite its face value,

1193
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: its worth fluctuates on the market price of gold, and

1194
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: it's now worth closer to twelve million dollars for one coin.

1195
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: On the flip side, the bill worthy smallest value in

1196
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: the world is the one thousand Somaliland shilling note, which

1197
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: is worth about half a cent. Now. You probably notice

1198
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about multiples of ten so far,

1199
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: but that's not always the case for some bills. For example,

1200
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: the Burmese military leader nay Win caused a massive financial

1201
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: crash when he attempted to make all Burmese currency divided

1202
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: by nine, his lucky number. A slightly happier incident occurred

1203
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: in Fiji, when the National Mint circulated a seven dollars

1204
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: note to celebrate the nation's gold medal victory in rugby

1205
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: seven's at Rio de Janeiro's Olympic Games in twenty sixteen. Now,

1206
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: over the years, some strange materials have been used to

1207
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: make currency, particularly during wartime. Copper was a valuable resource

1208
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: for the war effort during World War Two, so pennies

1209
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 1: were made out of aluminum, which made them extremely light.

1210
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: The Australians got even more creative during the war and

1211
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: melted down old tin toothpaste tubes to make their coins.

1212
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: Post World War One, money in Germany was even stranger.

1213
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: A paper shortage led them to issue not guild, which

1214
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: translates to emergency money or notes printed on things like wood.

1215
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: The designers took a somewhat less than serious stance on this.

1216
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: For example, the tu mark note features a donkey eating grass,

1217
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: while let's just say the artists had a lot of

1218
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: fun with the fact that the number two was featured

1219
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: on it. There have been lots of weird things on

1220
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: money over the years. Latvia has a hedgehog on their coin,

1221
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: Switzerland is a human brain, and Peru has lamas. My

1222
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: personal favorite is a three dollar bill from the Cook

1223
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: Islands that depicts a Polynesian woman riding a shark. The

1224
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: Euros feature arches and bridges, which doesn't seem very weird

1225
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: until you learn that none of these arches and bridges exist.

1226
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: They're all fictitious so that no country could complain about favoritism.

1227
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: But then those fun loving folks in the Netherlands started

1228
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: building a few of them for real. The tiny Pacific

1229
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: island of Nue, which uses the New Zealand dollar as

1230
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: his currency, annually releases commemorative coin featuring Disney princesses, Star

1231
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: Wars characters, Pokemon, and other fan favorites. And that is

1232
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: my brief seminar on currency of the world. Thank you,

1233
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: Heigel h Well, you know I had a long flight

1234
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: over here. I just flew him from New York and

1235
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: uh boy in my arm's tired. Sorry I had to

1236
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: I was an eleven hour your Ar'm sored. There it is,

1237
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: there it is. And to pass the time, I played

1238
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: a little solitaire and it got me thinking about the

1239
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: origin of playing cards. So I did a little digging

1240
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: the past even more time. I'd like to share with

1241
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: you what I learned. What do you think about that?

1242
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: Hit me?

1243
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: I love solitaire, I do time trials and solitaire. What's

1244
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: your best time three draw.

1245
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: I didn't actually play solitaire. It was just for the bit.

1246
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: It was just the setup. But I did actually one seven.

1247
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: That's mine.

1248
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: That's my shut up one minute thirty seven seconds. I

1249
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: have the screen grab. If anyone out there wants to

1250
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: challenge me, if you can beat go toa s L

1251
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: t r dot com solitaire using draw three. If you

1252
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: can beat me, you can get lower than one minute

1253
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: thirty seven seconds. I will eat one of my shoes

1254
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: and we'll do it on this show. Not from Qatar though.

1255
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: Well, like many things, Okay, seeing people outside with the

1256
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: headphones taking the hearing you talk about eating your shoe,

1257
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: just taking their headphones off and putting a pack on

1258
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: the card and walking away.

1259
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm activating your brand.

1260
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: You are you, are you?

1261
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1262
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: Hell of an activation. Well, like many things, particularly of

1263
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: the paper variety, playing cards are believed to have originated

1264
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: in China at the end of the Tang dynasty in

1265
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: the ninth century. Made with woodblocks, these early decks contained

1266
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: only thirty two cards, which is a number that I'm

1267
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: told corresponds to the maximum number of combinations of a

1268
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: pair of dice. So it's believed that these cards were

1269
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: initially intended to be a stand in for dice games,

1270
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: which is interesting. Through trade routes and cultural exchange, card

1271
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: like games spread westward across Asia, reaching India and Persia

1272
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: before appearing in the Islamic world, and some of the

1273
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: cleanest early non Chinese examples come from Egypt under the

1274
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: Mamluk Sultanate, where surviving cards show suits like cups, swords, coins,

1275
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and polo sticks, which were believed to be inspired by

1276
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: early Tarot cards. And now these Mamluk cards are widely

1277
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: thought to be the direct ancestors of European playing cards,

1278
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: and likely entered Europe via the Mediterranean trade routes in

1279
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: the late fourteenth century, and once there, card designs rapidly diversified,

1280
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: with regional styles in Germany and Switzerland, for example, that

1281
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: depicted hearts, bells, acorns, and leaves, and early European decks.

1282
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: These were hand painted luxury items, sometimes commissioned by nobility

1283
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: and decorated with gold leaf. Owning a deck at this

1284
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: time was closer to owning a piece of fine art

1285
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: rather than a casual game accessory. It was a big deal.

1286
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: The world's oldest surviving deck of cards date back to

1287
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: the fifteenth century. Originally made in the Netherlands, was purchased

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Speaker 1: by a private collector in nineteen seventy one for one

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty three one thousand dollars and are currently

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Speaker 1: on display at the Cloister's location of the Metropolitan Museum

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01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: of Art in New York City. Ultimately, the simplified French

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Speaker 1: suit the hearts, diamonds, clubs, and spades, became dominant in

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Speaker 1: the fifteenth century, and that's the version that we know today.

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: The hearts represented the church, the diamonds were arrowheads, which

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Speaker 1: were symbolic of archers and bowmen, clubs were clovers to

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Speaker 1: represent shepherds, and the spades were the points of lances

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Speaker 1: for knights. The face cards I didn't know this are

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Speaker 1: thought to represent famous historical figures. The King of hearts

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Speaker 1: is believed to be Charlemagne, the King of diamonds is

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01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: Julius Caesar, king of clubs is Alexander the Great, and

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Speaker 1: the king of spades is King David of Israel. And

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Speaker 1: the queen's origins are less clear, but it's believed that

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: the Queen of Spades is the Greek goddess Palas and

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: the Queen of Hearts is based on the biblical figure

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: of Judith, and the Jack of Clubs is supposed to

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01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: be Lancelot from King Arthur's.

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Speaker 2: Court Judith, as in Judith killing Holophernies. I think, so, wow,

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Speaker 2: is there anything that woman couldn't do.

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Speaker 1: You may notice I didn't realize this that the Ace

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Speaker 1: of Spades always looks very distinctive with a unique design

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Speaker 1: from the rest of the cards. This is because, in

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Speaker 1: the early eighteenth century, the French and English governments levied

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Speaker 1: a tax on playing cards, and to prove at tax

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Speaker 1: was paid, each Ace of Spades would need a special stamp,

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Speaker 1: which was applied before the deck was sold at market.

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Speaker 1: And because it served this legal function, the Ace of

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Speaker 1: Spades was often more ornate than other cards, featuring elaborate

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Speaker 1: designs to deter forgery. Some producers tried to avoid the

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Speaker 1: tax by simply not including the Ace of Spades, which

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Speaker 1: is thought to be where we get the phrase not

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Speaker 1: playing with a full deck, which is pretty saying.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's where the Motorhead song came from too.

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Speaker 2: Motorhead was Ace of Spades, yeah, ace of Spades, aces spades. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well you know, now, something I never noticed and I

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Speaker 1: bet you have any either. Is that playing cards had

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Speaker 1: a really bizarre number of connections to a calendar year.

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Speaker 1: Some skull think it's a coincidence, whereas others believe that

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Speaker 1: they were specifically crafted for this purpose. Follow along with me.

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Speaker 1: The red and black colors of the suits are believed

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: to represent night and day. The four suits symbolize the

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Speaker 1: four seasons spring, summer, fall, and winter.

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Speaker 2: Frankie Valley.

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Speaker 1: Each suit has thirteen values ace through king, and there

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Speaker 1: are roughly thirteen lunar cycles in a year or thirteen

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Speaker 1: weeks in a quarter. There are twelve court cards in

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Speaker 1: a deck of cards and twelve months in a year.

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Speaker 1: And there are fifty two weeks in a year and

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Speaker 1: fifty two cards in a deck. Is it interesting? Yes? Yeah? Good?

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Speaker 1: With caution? Well okay. I usually prefer history to math,

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: but I learned this incredible stat that I can't stop

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Speaker 1: thinking about. I suggest you sit down for this. There

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Speaker 1: are more possible ways to shuffle a deck of cards

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Speaker 1: than there are atoms that make up the earth. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that crazy?

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Speaker 2: Explain?

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Speaker 1: The math behind this can be summarized as fifty two factorial,

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: which means fifty two times fifty one times fifty, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: all the way down to four times three times two

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Speaker 1: times one. If you do the math out, you'll end

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Speaker 1: up with an eight followed by sixty seven zeros. So,

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01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: in other words, every time you pick up a deck

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Speaker 1: of playing cards and shuffle, it's more or less guaranteed

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Speaker 1: that you're going to get an order of playing cards

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Speaker 1: that has never existed before. You could change the arrangement

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Speaker 1: of cards every second, and it would take you a

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Speaker 1: million years to achieve all combinations. More than a million years.

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Speaker 1: I find a weird degree of comfort in that you

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Speaker 1: can do something that no one has ever done before,

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Speaker 1: just by picking up a deck of playing cards and shuffling.

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Speaker 1: Is that beautiful?

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Speaker 2: I'm so that is crazy that you have actually genuinely

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01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 2: stumped me right now the first time maybe ever in

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: our friendship. Or maybe I'm just comfortable saying that because

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01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: because of the beautiful guitar air. But wow, Jordan, that

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: is that is that is crazy? I assumed you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. I was like, fifty two times fifty two.

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Speaker 2: It can't be that many. My god, isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 1: That is wild? Oh? Is that a note to end?

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Speaker 2: On I was gonna say, I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't think we can.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a deck you want to start shop

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01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 2: with some cards?

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01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: What happens? To shuffle some cards and see what happens? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well this was fun. I don't think I'll ever get

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 2: over the side of you in a well cut suit

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 2: in a glass cube in Qatar. It's the way I

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Speaker 2: choose to remember you. Actually, Well, folks, thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to this unexpected and interesting episode of too much information.

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Speaker 2: They're all interesting, Heigel, they are all interesting, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's it's uh, it's like live theater. You

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01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: never know what's gonna happen. Bubba booe bubba booey. I'm

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: just trying to riff in ways that I know won't

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01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 2: get you killed and or fired, and it's very difficult

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Speaker 2: for me. So I'm gonna sign off. Thank you for listening, folks.

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Speaker 2: This has been too much information. My name is Alex

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Speaker 2: Heigel and.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Runtagg. We'll catch you next time TVD. I'll

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Speaker 1: be back. I'll be back. Don't you worry your pretty

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Speaker 1: little head. I'll be back. I'll be back, baby, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming Back Too Much Information was a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalg.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtag

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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