WEBVTT - Ep. 083: What The Hell's In Your Backpack 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:29.520 can't predict anything. You know. What was like a weird 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.120 emotion I had the other day is I was coming 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.600 back from a trip and and and I get a 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.720 call with my wife and she's saying that my boy, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:47.560 my oldest boy, has been invited to go fishing with 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:54.360 his body and that buddy's dad. And it was like, uh, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:55.920 it felt like my old lady is going out on 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.440 a date with another guy. That's what you said, Yeah 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.800 you feel Did you get over that? Yeah? I got 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.400 over because I realized it's like, you know, it's like 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:05.920 a totally unfair feeling, but I felt like I was 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.240 getting cheated on. He'd never gone fishing outside, like fishing 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.000 with my brothers. I think a little bit, maybe up 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:16.560 in our shack or something. Um he'd uh yeah, he'd 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.920 never fished with another man. And it like left me feeling, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.720 uh yeah, I was jealous. My initial feeling was like, 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.520 of course, of course, but the back of my mind 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.520 I was feeling jealous. Then he wanted up catching a fish, 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.920 brought home to flay. He's all excited ate a bunch 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.000 of it last night. Yeah, it's probably good for him 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.840 to to uh have other teachers. Yeah, I was just 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.160 hoping they'd get skunked so he'd be like, if you 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:43.920 want to catch fish, you gotta go with the old man. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.959 And now he's like, anybody can catch fish. Did you 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.040 come home with anything like oh we did this different 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.360 or so and so. No, but he if you turn around, 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.240 you'll see that rig right there. That's what he caught it. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.040 That's what he caught. A silver on. He caught a 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.040 little he caught a little dink or like twelve inch 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.680 king that he that they turned out and then uh, 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.680 and then he caught a silver on. That sounds like 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.680 the dude he was with, which is pretty nice. Like 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.640 duty is with the way my kid tells it is 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.160 the guy says, hey, hold this rode, I gotta do something. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.560 I gotta run an errand on the boat. And the 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.399 way my boy tells it is the minute he held 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.600 the rod, why I am a fish hit? But I 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.919 feel like I got checked. I haven't chatted with him yet. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.440 I feel like what happened was he maybe he hooked 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.720 the fish, which is just like move right to not 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.440 be like, hey, Sonny, there's a fish on here, but 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.080 just hand the rod and let him have like the 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.959 discovery one being honored. So I feel like he was 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.560 pretty shrewd, which makes me think he's a good guy. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.799 But then he brought the fish home. He brought one 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.320 flay home. He said another family kept the other flay 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:45.800 because it was like a couple of guys out there 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.880 with kids. And uh, so he brought one flay home. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.320 And I took my Japanese bone pickers and uh pick 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.840 the bones out and then the sounds growerty, But it's 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.160 not man. You were just saying may oh, like take 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.480 mayo and seasoning salt and lemon and herbs like parsley, whatever, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.120 mince it up, mix it all together, and just like 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.400 layer that, spread that on the fish and then cook 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.760 it and then broil. That's good ship man. But you 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.959 tell people like you're gonna coat it, and yeah, it 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.080 sounds weird. You just gotta say I'm coating in in 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.679 the sauce ras and saying based on coating that something. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.720 Go back to Japanese bone picker. Oh, my Japanese bone pickers. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:34.240 I have genuine stainless steel Japanese bone pickers. I mean 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.200 it looks just like a fans pair of tweezers. It 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:44.119 looks like the like a fingernail clipper, but not sharp. Yeah. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.400 You know what's funny too about picking bones out of 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.440 salmon is uh, when I'm talking about picking bones on top, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.840 about picking the pin bones right, like when you when 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.920 you flay a salmon or any number fish, you can 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.440 either like take the flay off with the ribs, then 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.720 just rib it in one piece and just take all 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.240 the ribs out comes off like a plant pain of glass, 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.360 you know. Or you take the ribs off, or you 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.000 either flay around the ribs and leave the ribs connected 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.280 in their rightful place to connect it to the spine, 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.440 or you take the whole damn thing off, ribs and all, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.719 and then rib it. But the pin bones um, particularly 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.480 on a salmon, you just grabb with a pair of 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:29.239 needle nose. But my Japanese bone pickers are amazing. Uh, 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.120 I like them. But the funny thing is what I 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.400 found is when that fish is in like a rigor state, 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.440 even if it's just a flame, it's very difficult to 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.160 pull those bones mm hmm. If you set it like 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.479 the muscles hanging on. Yeah, Like if you freeze a 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.200 fish and then pick the bones, they pick easy. If 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.080 you catch a fish and go to pin bone it 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.240 right away, it's difficult. You set it in your fridge overnight. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.560 It's easy to pick. So if you e k G 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.359 made it would be easy to pay. I bet if 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.039 your e k G made it, you the Japanese bone 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.720 pickers would work even better. Yeah, but you can use these, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.680 these these pickers. You can pick all kinds of fish 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.839 with them. Um. And the reason I'm calling them Japanese 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.280 they actually came with There was no English on the package. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.280 I ordered them. After finding out about them, I was 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:19.320 looking at a Japanese how to cookbook. A Japanese cookbook 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.839 you gotta read from back to front. Um, it's just 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.560 pictures of how to let cut up every fish on 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.279 the planet, and in there they're always picking bones. And 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:29.680 I was like, what the hell are those? So I 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.840 got to sniffing around online and I found those bone 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.160 pickers for nine bucks. Nice nine bucks. Yeah, but it's 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.080 just one more thing you gotta worry about someone losing. Man, Like, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.680 when I see my kids, of those makes you want 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.240 to kill them much as I like them, speaking of 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.279 ordering stuff, I ordered a pair of fishing players, did you. Yeah, 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.000 I got a new rule where I don't fish with 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.360 growing ups who don't have their own fishing players. And 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.000 now I don't backpack with growing ups who don't have 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:01.080 their own sterry pen to sterilized water. I'll probably come 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.040 up with more ship like this as time goes by, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:04.960 but that's where I'm at right now, with being rigid 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.240 about people being mainly as fishing players. Man, yeah, it's depainting, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.400 but when you gotta constantly be finding yours, taking them 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.560 off the land, you'red and pass them around. Yeah, and 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.479 with saltwater, you know, like all the stuff is real heavy, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.800 so you can't get through it, you know. Yeah, it's 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.279 not like you like I used to use. I wore 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.120 a groove my teeth, cut line my teeth, but you 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.159 can't cut my eighty pound plays out there with my 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.760 pocket knife cutting through the eighty pound mono, And that's 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.600 just not safe in a rocking boat when you just 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.039 got that knife, you know, out and about all the time. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.960 Speaking of gear, not speaking of salmon flaze, not speaking 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.160 to Mayo, but speaking to gear, what we're gonna do. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.400 We're doing a thing here. This is for all the 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.520 mugs that our eyes right in, like asking like super 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:55.359 specific gear questions, UM gear something like I like to 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.240 think about it more than I really like to talk 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.200 about it. Kind of that's kind of true. And I've 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.720 even declared I've even got we used to argue so 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.000 vehemently about geared for a while. I tried to have 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.640 it be that I would not gay engage in any 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:13.760 conversation arguing about the merits of various gear pieces. But 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.920 we're gonna do a big major gear deal here because 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:26.760 Yanni is going on um extracurricular uh hunting trip right now, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.160 So he's all packed up to go for how long 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.960 a week? Yeah, roughly a week. So he's going hunting 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:38.200 for about a week with his bone arrow four elk 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:43.720 during the elk rut where he's a little background here 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:51.040 where he's going. Um, it would if you were gone 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.240 for a week, I would expect it to be in 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.120 the seventies sometimes, and I would expect it to be 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:05.600 dumping wet ass snow on you sometimes. Yeah, I think 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.880 that's a safe and something. It's like you will have 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.720 a morning, not not for sure, but like a very 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.440 good chance you will have mornings where you wake up 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:18.320 and there's six inches of just sopping wet slush on 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:23.000 all your ship, and you will wake up and you 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.320 will have midday periods when you're moving to a new 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.200 area and you gotta hike three or four miles into 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:35.920 a new zone. Um, when it's uncomfortably hot, right, yeah, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.440 and I expect you could have you know, not only that, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:40.960 I was thinking about it, because I was thinking about 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.480 sun protection, you know, for those moments. Um, so you 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.680 want to be like stripped down so you're comfortable, but 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:48.840 you also need some protection. So you know, like long 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.520 sleeve versus sunscreen. What kind of hat do you want 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.000 for it? But uh, yeah, I can imagine, um, not 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.800 just that, but like maybe possibly finding a betted herd, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.120 you know that's on a ridge or something, and you're 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.840 moving in for the kill, you get within you know, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.960 shooting range, and then you're sitting there at two PM, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.920 known damn well that those probably aren't gonna stand up 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.679 until six and you're just exposed and you need to 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.040 be protected because it might be this beaten down sun 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:24.440 or could be spitting sail and everything. To keep in mind, Oh, 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.520 you're kind of in the you're in your you're you're 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:34.120 dead center, you're dead center. Uh, in the in the 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:40.880 population of about eight hundred grizzlies. So you'll see some 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.720 little mentions of that. And there, give her take a 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.560 couple of hundreds, give her take a couple of No, yeah, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.080 maybe more. Yes, it's been referred to as I've been 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.559 planning for this trip, it's been referred to as the 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.440 grizzly pit. Yes. Yeah, it's just like, well, we were 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.280 in a zone that long ago and we saw six 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.520 or seven and a couple of what we see seven 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.440 seven in a few days, um, different bears, you know, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.760 seven different ones, including some youngsters in there. Now all right, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:18.240 talk about talk like like run through the duds you bring. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:19.800 And this this is like, like I said, this is 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.080 like something that people pastor not pastor about, but just 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:27.160 asked so much about. And uh. Also before we get 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:28.800 into this, keep in mind the stuff we're gonna be 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.160 talking about isn't just necessarily for this, but this is 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.160 like what you use no matter what you were going 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:39.720 to do. Yeah, definitely, I think you just really make adjustments. Um. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.760 Certainly temperature, you know, as the year goes on, it 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.480 gets colder, you're gonna expect more snow. So that's when 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.559 something like, you know, we'll make adjustments towards that. We 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.880 can talk about that later. And uh, you might have 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.800 a shooting iron instead of a bone arrow exactly, and 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:05.320 you might have different optics, um, you know, or extra optics. Uh. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.040 But yeah, I feel like the base is pretty much 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.000 always going to be the same. You know, little accessories 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.920 here and there, But the little accessories add up to 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:20.280 a lot of weights sometimes. So you only told you 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.800 only told one like you got one pair of socks. No, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.360 So yeah, I broke down my uh, um, what does 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.520 jump in with the duds the clothing? And I broke 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.079 it down into like what I'm probably gonna be wearing 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.480 of the time, and then what's probably gonna be in 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.280 my backpack most of the time. So you're only wearing 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.360 one pair, which makes a lot of sense. Yeah, and 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.839 I'll have basically one pair as an extra. Do you 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.880 remember the old days and your kids, and you thought 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.280 that like putting more socks on, yes, and then putting 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.640 bread bags on them was like gonna be like the 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:56.679 ticket to warmth holies. Yeah, Um, cotton socks on the 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.520 last when you're putting your boots on. Trying your boots on, 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.280 you need to make sure that you can freely wiggle 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.600 your toes around, or else you will be a cold 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:11.160 little hunter. Um. So you got one of them on 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:16.040 and then you run Marino, well, Marino boxers. Yeah. See 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.959 that's the deal man. This is like, you know, the 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:22.320 old boxer's briefs thing. I'm not a boxer's man, and 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:27.560 you're kind of stuck like boxers versus briefs, not boxer briefs. No, no, no, 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:32.240 boxers versus briefs. Yeah, I'm not a boxer's man. I was, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.600 but I'm not. And um, that's a real Achilles heel 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.760 for you. Cotton, it's the one cotton thing. Hold on, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.960 I know that there's companies that make non cotton briefs. Well, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.680 they make those weird synthetic e ones. Yeah, I don't 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.720 like them. Those ones you can like washing the hotel 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.640 sink and dry them out real fast. No, I don't 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.319 like them. M yeah, man, it's an a killer. It's 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.960 like the weak link in the gear. Is that one 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:04.000 cotton thing? Yeah? Because they certainly I feel like those, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.319 um are the ones we I use and most of 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.160 our crew uses the first light red Desert. I believe 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.560 they're called boxer shorts, and they come down you know, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.720 you know, my long legs, like almost the tops of 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.040 my knees, So I feel like with those, and then 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.720 if I, you know, pull up a long pair of 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.600 socks to the bottom of my knees, it's like you 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.400 almost have a whole second layer covering you know, your 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.160 legs underneath your pants. But doesn't get hot in the 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:34.600 you know, the Marino they're not that loose right there, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.439 like tight fitting Marino will bob. They're not loose at all. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:43.319 Actually they don't fit, probably quite as tight as um 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.640 as briefs, but no, and they actually can prevent chafing, 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.000 right Like, I don't have that problems. I've got chicken legs. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.640 But if you got like I feel like a thick 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.320 thighed fella, yeah, your thighs are rubbing, that can prevent 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.960 you know, a little chafing down there. Oh yeah. But anyways, Yeah, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.000 I'm going like, and I'm gonna really try to stick 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.360 to this list. I'm actually gonna pack probably tonight and 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.440 finish packing in the morning and then go to and 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.520 then I'm walking into the woods tomorrow. But uh, I'm 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.640 going one pair of boxing shorts like the ones you 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.760 got on, just the ones I got on that. Yeah, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:21.280 but that's a good move because people like the more stuff, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.160 you like, the more clothes and things. I feel like 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.280 a lot of people bring too many socks, too many underwear. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.640 It's just stuff to manage. We'll manage. And like we 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.480 we had the luxury like along a lot of our 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.400 hunts where we like recently got flown in and so 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.000 couple three, four, even ten pounds of extra gear, it's 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.040 just gonna sit in my tent. I'm not really packing 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.040 it around when we leave to go han or whatever. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.120 Now we're packing on plenty of other stuff because we're working, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.720 so there's cameras and batteries and whatnot. But here I'm 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.120 really like, there's none of that stuff. It's this is 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.760 purely for fun. And so there might be times when 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.680 I'm actually having my whole camp and all my gear 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.520 on my back and I might be chang sing elk. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:02.800 And I know from experience when the first time I 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.880 ever did that, I walked into the woods where I 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.800 think with a with all my water well with I 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.720 think it was roughly three liters of water on my back. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.880 I was chasing elk around with like a fifty five 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.160 to sixty pound pack. Very quickly after the first morning, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.160 I was like, I need to change. I need to 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.440 like figure out a different system, because when you're like 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.520 you're chasing a bugling bowl and you got fifty five 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.360 pounds on your back, you're not like you're not the 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.520 same hunter as you are if you have a little 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.040 day pack on your back. It's a big difference. You know, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.880 your legs are getting smoked because in your mind you're like, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.040 oh my gosh, bugle and bull run, run, run, RNT run, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.880 and then an hour later your legs are like, dude, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.320 what's this all about? You? Yeah, I know that's that's heavy. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.040 But I think a lot of guys like just I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.560 don't know. I feel like some guys just like over 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.880 do it and think about it. They do. But here again, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.360 I mean, we can go down this rabbit hole and 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.480 go on forever. But if you really want to chase 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.400 salk with your camp on your back and be able 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.240 to stop at the end of the day and then 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.240 just be there and not use the time and energy 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.880 to go back to camp, you have to be fairly light, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.880 all right, so I got your socks, and you've got 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:23.600 that far, so you might bring some sneakers or and 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.960 or is this and or or you're you're running like 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.000 mountain hunting booth. I think I'm gonna go and and 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.000 this is a place where it's gonna be extra weight. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.720 But these high top sneakers I figured for my size. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.200 I think they I just looked up to wait, they're 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.400 like fourteen ounces for a pair of nines. Okay, so 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.320 under a back I'm sorry, Yeah, they were under a pound. Yeah, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.320 but for a pair of twelves, I'm looking probably a 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.360 little bit over a pound, right, there's not that much 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:53.560 more there. Um, and you want them for sneaking up 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.840 a couple of things like I've got um Morton's neu 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.680 roma in my feet, which is like Morton's neuroma. I 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:05.240 know you got feet problems. Yeah, it's basically like nerves 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:12.159 getting um agitated by metatursal bones, and it creates like 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.199 after a while, usually around five or six miles, it 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.399 can create some immense paint to the point where you 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.440 just like want to stop walking and take his shoes off. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.760 Eat ibuprofen. It's bad. The softer than mid soul isn't 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.640 a pair of shoes. The longer I can go without 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.480 getting to that like, the stiffer that mid soul is, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.920 the more quickly it starts to agitate and it hurts. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.960 So having an extra pair of sneakers, especially if I 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.840 want to trail, say i'm packing in or packing out, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:45.119 I'll carry my heavy, heavier, you know, mountain boots on 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.120 my back, even though that's you know, four or five 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.240 pounds back there, because I'm no at some point we'll 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.359 be running across the side of a mountain on some shale, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.879 and I'm gonna want those. But so I can just 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.919 bang out five, six, seven miles on a trail quickly, comfortably, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.960 I might not have my feet. Yeah, and then you 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.280 put your then you put your barre tooths on and again. Oh. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.280 Something we didn't talk about is I'm going hunting with 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.240 your brother, right, So we got llamas. Um, so I'm 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.080 he's already in the woods. I'm going in there to 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.359 meet him. I need to be self sufficient just in case, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.679 for whatever reason, we don't come together. I need to 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.680 be you know, prepared. Um. But something like this, if 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.960 I was only going by myself, I might consider just 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.280 not bringing my you know, mountain hunting boots and just 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:33.720 be going in myself. But no one that once you 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.560 get way back in there, you might hook up and 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.320 exactly put some on the llamas. Yeah, so I don't 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.360 have to carry quite as much food in because he's 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.879 already carried some food in. Obviously the lamas well, if 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.359 we kill, they'll be packing meat out. So I wanted 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.600 to carry as much out. So if I was doing 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.080 if I was in your situation, depending on the weather, 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.439 I would be running, I would be running. Uh my 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.920 snais barre tooths. And if it was really cold, I'd 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.800 bring my little down boot, my little down it's like 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.000 kind of like a sock, kind of like a thing 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.840 for at night if you want to like stretch out, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.520 but this time year, I would never bother with it, 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:14.560 right Yeah. And then a Marino wool T shirt mm hmm. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.040 So this is all for your so just for like 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:24.840 one's body on a mixed climate hunt, a base layer 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:30.800 T shirt, base layer long sleep that's right, which is 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.280 gonna be the Choma hoodie from First Light and no 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.679 beanie cap because that's something has a hood. Yeah. Not 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.960 only that, but I'm also gonna have my from my installation, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.720 I'm gonna have my And this is something I wanted 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.919 to discuss and talk about because over the and again, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.199 we get so much experience by shooting the show that 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.239 we get to try a lot of things and really think. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.640 You know, when you're just on long hikes back to camp, 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.960 you're thinking about, Okay, you know my beanies in my pocket. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.680 I haven't worn it for two days, and I realized 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.239 that I was having a lot to me where I'm 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.800 just like, because sometimes you get that like ear ache, 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:09.160 you don't even wearing a beanie too long, and uh yeah, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.240 I just wasn't using it because like like a lot 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.520 of our gear has hoods on it, right, So between 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.160 like the wool hoodie on the Choma hoodie, then the 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.720 uncome progrede jacket which has the insulated hood, and then 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.000 a rain jacket which has a hood. I figured, in 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.200 some pretty darn right shitty cold conditions, if I put 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.240 those three hoods on, I'm gonna be pretty comfortable. And 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.760 I know that the beanie is it's ounces right, it's 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:37.960 probably a quarter pound, but yeah, I'm leaving it, you 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.800 know what. I flirt back and forth with his running 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.400 what I call the Remy Warren, which is a baseball 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.959 hat and then you just put the beanie over it. Yeah, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.600 because Remmy like has a trick where he doesn't always 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.200 run a tripod with his binys, but he's got like 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.359 like the Remy Warren. The move that I called the 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.800 Remmy Warren is a three part move. Once insulation move. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.760 You always have a baseball cap on and you pull 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.000 a large beanie over that to keep warm. But then 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.879 when he's running his body, when he's using his binos, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.280 he holds his hands around his binos and grabs the 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:17.000 bill of his hat. And I's if your hats tight 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.520 and you're grabbing your binos and the bill of your hat, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.240 it works good. It's stabilized. And I think he also 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.399 he carries a hike and poll a lot and he 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.720 and uses that stable too, But like, I can't do that. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:35.960 But it's also kind of uncomfortable. Yeah could the ball cap. Yeah, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.320 beanie combo And for a long time, I wear like 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.840 a lot of times I wear like that first light 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.879 brand beanie. But that's not rigid. That's not like a 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.720 rigid set up for stabilizing binos. No, that wouldn't work 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.360 for that. Um, I feel like the only the real 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.480 the one thing you're getting from a baseball hat, right 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.920 is basically shade for your eyes, some some protection for 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.600 your eyes, which is crucial. You gotta have something that 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.280 provides you that. But the fact that most baseball hats 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:09.119 are cotton, I feel like it's a pretty big They 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.679 make them all out of goofy ship. Well yeah, I 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.240 mean now they have like technical fabric baseball hat shouldn't 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.320 say all, but yeah, there's a lot of bad material 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.040 baseball hats out of there, the mesh stuff that chafes 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:26.840 your ears. The Yeah, but I think since we're on hats, 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:31.000 I'm also not bringing a baseball hat. I'm going with 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.440 a It's like a lightweight, breathable. It's a booney hat, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.200 is what you call it, right, It's like a bucket 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.800 with a I don't know, it's probably like a three 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:44.200 inch brand that goes all the way around. Yeah, very lightweight, 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.080 very pacable. Uh would dry super fast, but it goes 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.160 all the way around. And I've noticed, especially when we're 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:54.360 sitting around in the sun glassing, it's nice to have 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.160 that protection not only on over your face and your eyes, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.520 but now my ears are covered part you know, hopefully 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:05.200 at least part of the back of my neck is covered. Um, 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.439 and for me it's more comfortable. Yeah, I've never been 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.000 in the head guy. I don't like the feeling of 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.320 that back brim rubbing against my backpack. I don't like 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.040 when I'm leaning against stuff having that thing. Yeah, I 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.720 would like him, But you gotta pat you gotta patta 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.119 Gucci boony hat and again I'm I got such a 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.720 love hate with that organization, right, Yeah, I love a 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:30.720 lot of you. Anyhow, So Yanni's got on base Layer. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:32.960 So so you got your base Layer T shirt basically 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.000 their long sleep in this case a Chama hoodie with 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.560 a hoodie in place. You don't need to wear a beanie. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:41.520 Then a third layer is you got a Halstead fleece, 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.200 which is a flea shirt quarters hip quarters hip flee shirt, 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.720 and that'll cover you for like unless it's raining out. 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:54.000 That covers you for a real wide array of temperatures exactly. Yeah, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:55.800 especially with the fact that you can, you know, the 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.360 Choma and the Hallstead fleece, you can zip them down 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.479 to like just stirring them or even a little bit 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.240 lower really opens it up. And let's you get a 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:05.480 lot of heat out, you know, if you need to 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.320 dump some heat. Oh yeah, I find when I'm going 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.280 up a hill and you got that on, I think 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.919 this rolling my sleeves up to my elbows and then 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.119 unzipping those couple of zippers. It makes a huge difference 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.040 rather than stopping taking all that garbage off, you know. Yeah. 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.399 And another thing with the hood and you know, and 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.399 not having the hat. It's when I'm climbing up that 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.600 hill and you're trying to dump that heat, just ripping 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.720 that hood off, you know, on covering your head. There's 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.919 no better way than to dump heat that everything off 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.480 your head. Takes a big deep breath. And then the 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:38.080 ubsidian field pants which are like not that synthetic e stuff, No, no, no, 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.560 They're made out of same material as the cannabs were. Um, 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.600 they just have a few extra technical pockets on them 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.399 around the legs. Um, they don't that Like the cannap 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.040 kind of has that cargoy pocket that sticks out a 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.920 little bit more taser, a little bit sleep from off 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:56.920 the side. The Cannap's got the pocket that kind of 0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.960 sits up front. I've always liked them. I liked those pants. Yeah, 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:04.920 a lot, but um, so, yeah, it's a marino wool 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.239 with like uh like a rip stop material in them 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:12.320 m and then a couple like the crotch, the inside 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.480 of the uh bottom of the pant legs where your 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.720 feet can rub together. There's a little patch of synthetic 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.040 material to give the pants a little bit of stretching 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.199 a little bit, you know, wear resistance in the highway areas. 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:29.960 And those pants are good for again huge temperature ranges. Yes, 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.080 like running some lj's with him, you're good for like 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.400 in the freezing below freezing mark. Yeah. I think where 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.280 a lot of people mess up is they start to 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.880 think about um and I did it for a long 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.560 time and I actually learned this from skiing. When we 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:48.639 sell ski clothes is we advise people to, hey, when 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.280 you're in the lift line at eight o'clock in the morning, 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.680 start cold. Yeah. Right, It's the same thing when you're 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.399 like at your tent eating breakfast, It's okay be a 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.360 little bit cold. Like especially elk hunting. It doesn't take 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.600 but a hundred yards and like that's the tempionshure you're 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.600 gonna be working with, you know, and your body temp 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.520 that you're gonna be working with for most of the day, right, 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:14.600 So start cold, start a little bit uncomfortable, and don't 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.639 bring that extra layer of clothing, the big down jacket, 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.200 just so you can have your coffee comfortably, you know. Yeah, 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:24.879 I think people uh too, you know, in place of 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.320 the down jacket, if you think about it, you could 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:28.880 just stay in you're sleeping bag a little bit longer, 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.239 eat your breakfast, and you're sleeping bag, then get out, 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.640 get dressed, and go. Well, we've done in the past too, too, 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.520 because you already you know, you've got your sleeping bag 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.359 with you. Yeah, I've spent a lot of time on 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.880 glass and tits in my sleeping bag, you know, whether 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.240 like the weather, depending if it's just like cold and 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.440 windy and just kind of miserable all oftentimes hop in 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:52.879 my sleeping bag when I'm just posted up somewhere watching, 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:54.920 I'll just do that to stay warm. Or like you said, 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.800 let's keep your sleeping bag wrapped around you and eat 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.920 your breakfast and then if you're carrying around a giant 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.920 puffy like a giant down pants and down jacket for 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.439 those like moments in camp, save that and just use 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.840 your sleeping bag as an insulation layer instead of having 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.560 all the more garbage with you. But at the same time, 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.040 you can be super careful that you don't get your 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.440 sleeping bag wet, you know, even you know it's like 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:19.960 you know, down, a wet down bag is a real 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.000 bad a wet synthetic bag. You still got good insulation, 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.639 but it's just uncomfortable. It doesn't work as good and 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.280 it's uncomfortable. So you gotta like keep your bag dry, 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:34.320 but it is. It's gotta be really extremely cold before 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:40.240 I start bringing uh, like down like down jackets and 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.680 down pants and stuff with me. I mean, like way cold. 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.760 So we got two pants, a couple of accessories that 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.639 I have. I won't even I won't be wearing them, 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.639 but I at least have them in my pockets at 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:54.040 all the times. And it will be a pair of 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.560 like work glove style of gloves and then um a 0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.119 Marino linery glove and the line of glove is probably 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.520 more for like a um you know, just to kind 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:06.879 of take the chill off. Or if I feel like 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.880 I'm getting really close and I just want to cover 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.119 up the shine the sheen in my hands, you know, 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.320 something to do that. Um, So just practice shooting in 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.119 those gloves, then yeah, I haven't done a way different 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.120 feetle Man. That's a good thing we should talk about 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.600 because in general I didn't shoot enough with sort of 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.159 like like I'm always wearing my bino harness. I never 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.320 shoot without my bino harness on and my range finder. Um, 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.240 I try to like wear the hat that I'm gonna 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.639 be shooting in. But over the last week, like a 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.440 few days prior to lead on this last trip, and 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.160 then the last couple of days, I started putting on 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.920 like a twenty pound pack with my forty four on 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.680 my side, bear spray on my side, you know, the 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.640 GPS hanging off of me, wearing the shoes I'm gonna 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.520 be hunting in, and just really you know, zipping up, 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.880 like doing things like uh, putting a hoodie on and 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.200 zipping it all the way up and then shooting. That 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.240 feels a lot different, Like I have a kisser button 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.280 on my string now, and when I have a hoodie 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.320 on a lot of times that kisser button wasn't hit anymore, 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.200 you know, just that little bit of extra material. It 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.720 feels a little bit different. But I've shot enough to 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.160 know that, you know, at fifty yards even if I'm 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.200 not feeling that kisser button. As long as I'm you know, 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.760 lined up through my peep and everything looks good, you know, 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.960 I'm shooting fine. But yeah, that's very important to do. 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.280 It's like all this stuff you need to be you know, 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.000 at least hopefully towards the last week before you go 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.880 on the hunt, is be shooting wearing all this stuff, 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.640 you know, especially the backpack because it feels different. You 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.680 really want to make sure that you're just not um impeding, 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.640 like the string, whether it's on the draw or the 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:40.120 shot itself. You're talking about buying the harts or bulky sleeves, right, yeah, yeah, 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.080 experiment with it all. Uh so that's why you're wearing 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.280 the Marino liner gloves. And then you got like a 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.800 pair of like a pair of hybrid shale gloves which 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.160 are kind of like a not not kind of like 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.480 it had like work glove elements to them. Yeah, heavy 0:29:55.560 --> 0:30:01.360 duty leather palm, you know, breathable back, breathable will back. Yeah, good, 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.960 like pretty versatile glove. And then I always use one 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.600 to net gator. I love those things. Yeah, I like 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.840 items that have I As I was building this list, 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.000 I was thinking about how many items I have that 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.600 have like our multi purpose And I was thinking, you 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.440 know what that net gator if if I just fell, 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.400 I'm like, all right, I want to be wearing a beanie. 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:23.760 You can wear that thing like a beanie, and sure 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.600 there's a hole on the top of it, but you 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.640 do it. Sometimes you get on your all kinds of things. 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.800 So I use it for its intended purpose as like 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.520 a warmth device. I use it so you're not burned 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.800 in the back of your neck, because amazing how many times, 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.120 like you can burn your neck five times a year, right, 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.200 Like it doesn't get you know what I mean, Just 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.080 like it doesn't like tan up, kind of like how 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.200 your lower arms do or you just like eventually it's 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.160 become like impervious to burn. So you can even be out. 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.120 You can even be out in October and like bake 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.040 your neck all over again or your ears. So I'll 0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:01.640 just use it like that, um wan't a warmth sun protection. 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:04.480 Sometimes I put it up on my hat when I 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.520 get like when your hat just gets uncomfortable, I put 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.840 that thing on for a while. And then the main 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.360 thing I use it for is especially hunting in Alaska 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.440 in the early season when you have so when you 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.160 have like twenty hours a daylight or eighteen hours a daylight, 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.240 I'll use it over my eyes to sleep and for 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.360 nappy time too. So I'll just take that netgator and 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:24.840 it's I just kind of folded up and wear it 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.720 like a I peace and allows me to It allows 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.760 me to conk out and sleep good. And then I 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.360 do it enough where if I wake up and it's 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.160 kind of like an emergency situation in the middle of 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:34.680 the night or whatever, I'm not like confused by like 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.160 I just noticed, like lift it up, you know, um, 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.160 and it really helps me get uh, helps get those 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.640 twenty minute and absent and it helps at night, especially 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.640 if you're in the area when like this time you're 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.480 in Alaska, you have these very prolonged periods of like 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.920 kind of duskiness, it can be hard to sleep. So 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.560 I was like to block my eyes so I can sleep. Yeah, 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:54.920 So I use it for all that. And it's not 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.479 uncomfortable to have on because it doesn't add a lot 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.320 of heat to you when you just get running around 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.440 your eyes. Yeah. But I think like within these lightweight 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:08.720 Marino net gators, the weight to like gain ratio yeah, 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.640 there's almost no weight and what you're getting out of 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.240 that as a piece of warmth. I've had two instances 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.440 that I can think of in my head where I 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:19.800 was like in like a very cold stain and it's 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.280 like a like a very important part of the hunt 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.720 where there's like animals nearby, or I'm having to like 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.480 glass it's like sea where an animals going, but like 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.680 you don't want to, like you need to be staying there, 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.400 but you're like very cold, like shavering cold, like it's coming. 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.440 And I've remembered I've had these gators in my pocket. 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.080 Put them on and put that on your neck, and 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.520 I think it's almost like putting a beanie on, like 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.880 just insulating your neck, keeping that blood flow, you know, 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.640 warm as it's going to your head and back. Huge 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.120 Also the main one I wear, I got a hole. 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.520 I cut in one part of it. So when I'm 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.600 turkey hunting, smoker, no mouth calls, so the whole you 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.600 never even noticed there. It's a really small hole there 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.200 as you keep it in the back. But when I 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.120 spin that thing around and pulled up, like if I'm 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.360 hunting turkeys, when I got when I'm trying to like 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.080 work a bird all the times. Just pull that net 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.960 gator up over my nose for a camouflage. And I 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:14.640 got a little hole cup, so I just swing that 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.840 hole around over my mouth and I can take diaphragm 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.280 calls in and out of my mouth or blow calls, whatever, 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:21.800 and put up in that hole and use it and 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.280 the when I'm done, I just dropped the thing back 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.400 down to my neck and spin it around. But fishermen 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:30.080 wear the same thing though the buffs. Yeah, since it's 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.040 a it's a synthetic material. But they were the same thing. 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.920 Now because people are realizing you shouldn't just be like 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.120 scorching your skin all the time. Yeah, sounds screen or not. Yeah, 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.200 So pull that thing up to block your ears. It's 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.360 so great. It's like a thing that not many people use. 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.000 But it's like a real gem of a of an item. 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.520 And you're not running any gators. No, I wouldn't either. 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.960 Net are what it's it's for. That kind of stuff 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.600 is too loud. Yeah, Usually gators for me are like 0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:01.360 a deep stone. When I say, you know, I find 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:05.040 no I'm gonna encounter six plus inches, I'll probably put 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:06.840 on gators. Or if you're in an area. It's just 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:11.000 like like tons of creek crosses or lots of like 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.759 mucky hell holes and stuff. Pretty nice for that reason, 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.840 because when your pants are all wet on the bottoms, 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:19.399 it just gets annoying. And if you want to climb 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.759 into your sleeping bag, you got all that extra water. 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:23.680 So when you do it, like in wet snow, when 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:25.320 it's all just caked in, it's nice to take that 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.279 off and have dry lower legs and just slipping your 0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.000 sleeping bag and night not to worry about taking your 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.360 pants off. And that's a good point to bring up 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:35.120 to something I'm gonna start doing is if I'm because 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.040 I'm just gonna have rain pants. Right, So if we 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:38.920 do have like a super dewey morning, or if we 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.719 get that six inches of wet shitty snow that you 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.960 were talking about, when I'm put on my rain pants, 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.919 I'm gonna go out into very wet conditions, I'm gonna 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.279 make sure that my pants are rolled up, tucked up, 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.640 the pants underneath my rainpants somehow, because I feel like 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.160 what happens is that that moisture like hits your cough 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.719 like you're talking about, and it just it just it 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.400 us to travel. Yeah, it wakes up and so then 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.920 it goes to your socks and your socks wicket and 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:06.480 all of a sudden that you know, even though you're 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.640 completely covered, that moisture is like going up your pants 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.480 to your socks and then down into yours. I never 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.320 enjoy having gators on, Like when I put gators on, 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.440 I'm I'm I'm only I'm playing the long game, right, 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.480 Like I'm always annoyed by them, you know, I'm annoyed 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.680 by where they feel. I'm annoyed by the noise. But 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.719 in certain situations, it's so nice to pull them off 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.799 and have your legs dry from the knee down when 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.400 they would otherwise be full of mud, snow or whatever. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.839 So I tend to carry him more when I put 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.680 them on. And it's one of those things like at 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.920 the last minute, like I'm going somewhere, I got my 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.880 duffel and my gators are in it. At the last minute, 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.719 I'll oftentimes leave them in my duffle and they don't 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.200 make the final like I can't trim them out in 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:57.480 my garage, right, Like I can't cull it in my garage, 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.200 but cull it at the last minute before loading my pack, 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.440 I look at him like really, and then a lot 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.480 of times I'm like, no, yeah, it might be something 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.520 that I have in the truck to that would be 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:09.840 it would be good, it'd be smart. I mean, I 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:11.600 know that what the weather is coming up, right, I've 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.239 got like a couple of sunny days and then we 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.080 have some rain days and there's actually another forecast in 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.759 a snow day. Not a lot of accumulation, but there's 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:22.000 definitely gonna be some moisture. Um. But yeah, if I 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.439 knew that I had to hike in whatever to three 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:29.640 hours and I'm looking at doing that through four or 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:33.080 five six inches of snow, probably worth it. Even if 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:34.480 it was a couple inches snow, it might be worth 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.799 to put them on just for the long game. Uh. 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.640 All right, So in your so your pack, you gotta pack. 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:43.480 This will give you a sense like this sounds like 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.120 a lot of stuff that we're gonna be talking about, 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.920 but it's not. Because you got a thirty pack. Explain 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.440 that whole deal. Yeah, it's the same pack I used 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.000 last year, and I know I know it works for 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:59.400 this so um, the pack is a stone Glacier solo thirty. 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.680 I believe it's the name and UM, so it's thirty inches. Um, 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:10.120 it's slim, trim, tidy. UM. The pack itself only has 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:14.360 one pocket built into it, and then you can accustomize 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.800 it by adding their little pullout pockets that come in 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.880 different sizes. So there's a little attachment points, like on 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.279 the back side of the UM it opens like a 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.719 clam shell and uh, on the back side of that, 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:29.040 there's a couple attachment points and then UM on the 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.560 what would be like the faces your back the back 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.400 panel on the inside, there's a couple attachment points to 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:42.000 for these super lightweight UM what would be the fabric, Oh, 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:48.440 the little nylon pockets, yes, right, and um yeah, ultra lightweight. 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.200 You know, it just gives you a little bit of organization, um, 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.600 but for a couple of little like loose things. And 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:59.839 we'll talk about that later. But anyways, yeah, it's not big. UM. 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.680 The way I can do all this is that the 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:05.680 all my gear will fit into the pack itself and 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.600 then they have that system, the load shelf system with 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:14.800 their UM dry cell bag that fits in that in 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.320 the load shelf which basically fits between the pack and 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.640 the frame. Right, so as it's like a little bag 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:21.360 it's not quite like a dry it's not like a 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:25.080 submersible dry bag. But it's like yeah, I think the 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.640 only reason it's not submersible is because they seems aren't 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:33.759 taped right, so there is some breathing. Definitely a rainproof yeah, 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.080 like a like a rainproof bag, but not like a 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.000 rubber not like we're not talking like what I'm trying 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.080 to say. It's not like a rubberized dry bag. No, no, no, 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.600 it's light. It's like pack it's like pac material with 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.080 a roll top. So what I'll do is on the 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:49.640 way in, all my food will go into this um 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:55.960 dry cell bag between my backpack and the frame, and um, 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.440 I'll pack it in. And it's nice about that is 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.080 as soon as I get to camp, just grab my pecord, 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.719 pull it up into the tree and it will act 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.399 as my bare bag, you know, for the hanging food 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.239 until you know, hopefully we get a kill and we 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.800 have to use it to pack meat out. Um. So 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.720 once I do that, also probably if we're you know hunting, 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.520 like if we're gonna be coming back to camp, you know, 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.920 I'll dump all my camp gear, my cooking stuff and whatever, 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.920 and then that thirt it cinches down so nicely that 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.800 all of a sudden you go from you know, basically 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.600 carrying in a whole camp and you sent you down 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.000 to where it looks like a kid's you know, school 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.680 day pack. That's the thing about that, That's the key 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:40.360 about these packs. It's like if you're ever trailing a 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.160 bunch of elk through timber. Let's say you're trailing you 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.719 got like five six elk going down through timber, and 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.080 you notice that one of those elk keeps peeling off 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.040 away from the group and then coming back into the 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.600 group and peeling off away from the group. That's a 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.319 lot of times a bowl who knows his antlers can't 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:58.480 fit through the gaps in the trees, so all the 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.080 cows can go screaming down, and he's always like playing 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.800 in the head about where he can actually go and 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.960 not go with a rack that's like the widest part 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.120 of his body. I've used a lot of packs. There's 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.280 like a lot of packs I like, but a problem 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.920 with pack like I don't like a pack for for 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:18.040 unless I'm hunting like open open country. I don't like 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.759 a pack where the pack is any wider than I am, 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.279 because you just never unlike a bull elk. You never 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.320 get used to having things on you that are wider 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.360 than what you're used to. It's so you wind up 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.160 making a lot of unintended noise going underlogs through stuff, 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:35.759 and you're just banging that thing all the time, not 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.320 just banging it, but hanging it up. And these packs 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:40.719 are actually like if you got a dude, like like 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.520 the way the stone Glacier packs are if a guy's 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.240 wearing when looking at you, you don't see the pack 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.120 when it's snugged up, but you don't see the pack 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.800 bulging out in weird angles. No, not at all. So 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.919 it allows you to kind of move through without having 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:55.279 to constantly be like remembering what the hell is going 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.319 on in your backpack. And like this pack, like I said, 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.600 there's only one pocket there. There's no lid, um, so 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.960 there's nothing flopping once you set you down. It's just 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:09.560 slim trim. Nothing's gonna snag. Um, there's just there is 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.440 nothing to snag. There's there's there's like there's a lot 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.520 of good packs. No pack is absolutely perfect, um, but 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.160 I do like these freaking packs a lot, man. Uh. 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:25.000 But yeah, the pocket thing when it's all snugged up 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.400 you like, you love looking at how tidy it is, 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.400 you know, But it's like this like trade offs. You 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.880 put these big sleeve pockets on the outside everything, and 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.360 just you get like a bulkier pack. It's more stuff 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.239 floppy and hanging. That seems like you're organized, But again 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.879 the tradeoff is when it's all loaded up, like how 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.440 tight and confined and quiet is that thing? I remember 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.640 reading a book about the LRPS and Vietnam, the Long 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.439 Range of Connaissance Patrollers, and it would say that before 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.399 they would go out, they would load all their gear 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:55.080 on and then jump and you would keep jumping, and 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.719 then they would use electric tape to to tighten things 0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.640 up and keep things so they didn't rattle or bang. 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:01.719 They would keep jumping until they could jump and make 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:06.600 no noise. And with a pack, with these kind of packs, 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.800 once you snug them down, you can achieve that like 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.279 noise free jump that you're never gonna get with a 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:16.080 lot of loose, floppy pockets all over the place. So 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.759 again it takes you gotta kind of rethink how you 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.200 organize your gear. If you're like a big time pockets guy, 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.080 you gotta rethink like how everything's gonna go. And the 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.800 thing I found with backpacks too is I'll use a 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.480 backpack for a couple of years and then my whole 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:36.839 system gets conforms to the pack. Yeah, so then when 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.080 I try a new pack, I might recognize something I 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:40.480 like about the new pack, but then I kind of 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.680 like dislike the pack for a minute because I gotta 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:44.680 redo my whole system right down. Like when I go 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.000 to brush my teeth at night, right if I've been 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:48.360 using the same pack for a couple of years, like 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.279 I just know like toothbrush, toothpaste or whatever within it, 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.640 here's where my Like if I've got a paper map, 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.799 where's that? Where's all my stuff? And then I get 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:57.680 a new pack and I get frustrated and I blame 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.000 the pack, but really it's just getting away to get 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.400 dialed in. That's why I hate, like one thing, I 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.640 hate changing around all times. I hate changing my pack 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.799 all around. When I need a new pack, I'm trying 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.520 to find a pack aroun I'm like, this is gonna 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.640 be my pack for years, and I'm gonna hunt everything 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.200 with this pack just to have it be that. I 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.680 just know where everything is, you know where it all goes. 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:20.759 No there's a lot of to be seven that because 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.480 it's it turns into efficiency, you know, and if that 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.960 means if it costs you that it might cost you 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:28.960 just thirty seconds one time when you're going to pull 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.080 out your spot and scope and your tripod, but all 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.560 of a sudden that animal walked over the ridge, you know, 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:36.400 and all of a sudden you all you needed was 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.319 one glimpse to be like, yes, that was a bull, 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.919 or it wasn't a bull. We're not going over there. 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.120 Yes it was, we are going over there. And yeah, 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.640 having that system dialed is there's you know, times when 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.320 it's crucial. All right, let's go over to packed clothing, 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.799 so you bring socks to put over your boots. Yeah, 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.480 that's what I'm gonna do this year because over your 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.840 mountain boots or over a mountain boots especially, probably wouldn't 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.439 need them in in stalking socks or socks, they're they're 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.160 basically just a giant pair of wool socks, like not 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.480 with a stalking pad. I'm just gonna pull them over. 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.799 Have you tried it a long time ago? Yeah, last 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.719 time I went quiet, we used those uh what do 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:21.719 they call it? Sneak ease I believe like a ninja bot. 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.240 It's like it's like a yeah, it's a thick fleece 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.319 kind of soul with basically just um bungee cords going 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:29.200 over the top of it and you put your foot 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.680 into the bungee cords since it tight. Those things. Yeah, 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:35.200 those things are incredibly you know, quiet soft. I just 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.080 feel like again to trade off, like it's only gonna 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.000 be used for while. I'm like, I have something like 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.759 betted and I gotta like sneak in if you were 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:47.200 stalking something on a gymnasium floor. Those are great, exactly. 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.840 They suck when it gets Yeah, you're on a forty 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.080 five degree pitch full of a bunch of rocks and stuff. 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:57.520 They are not stable. They're not stable, and it makes 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:01.120 a huge, huge difference. Um. We've talked about this before, 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.319 but in Arizona it's like a lot of times you're 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.880 chasing um it's down in the Unit ten where I 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.080 had this experience, but you're chasing elk across stuff that 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:16.040 has you know, because millions of like pebble sized rocks, 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.600 it's sort of just like rub against each other. They 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.440 look like because they look like pumics. They're a pumacy 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.640 volcanic rock. That's like hunting on corn flakes exactly. It's 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:29.920 like it's like the corn flake version of rocks. And 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.040 when you're in a heavy souled mountain boot, like I 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.800 think for humans it's sometimes imperceptible, but I noticed that, 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:39.080 Like one day I was like, you know what I'm 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.600 gonna my my feet? Is it? It was I've been 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.120 in the woods for a while and my feet were 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:44.719 starting to hurt. I'm like, I'm gonna go hunt in 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.520 my run issues today like some trail runners. And I 0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:50.000 just remember like coming in on some elk and be like, 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.000 oh my gosh, like how much quieter am I right now? 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:55.279 Just because it was like a soft, malleable soul that 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.279 was sort of sucking up the rocks as opposed to 0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.040 pushing against them. And that's saying in morning I noticed 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.960 I'm like, I think what happens out there is that 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.080 the bulls keep bugling right like that They've managed it 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.879 to the point where like it's like very hot, good 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.080 running action because it's very even like numbers like bulls 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:16.560 to cows. Right, they keep bugling, but as hunters are 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:21.000 moving around and closing the distance, the massive bugling sort 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.160 of just kind of keeps his buffer away from you. 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.200 You know, you're like, oh, the wind is good, everything's fine. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.239 But I think there's just that like that little bit 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.560 of noise where they're like, whatever that is over there, 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:32.880 and it's making that walking noise. It doesn't sound like 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.600 us on the rocks. Let's just slide over a little ways, 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.080 you know. And as soon as you take that away, 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.719 whether it's by going running shoes or putting on some 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:46.399 sneak eas or those you know, like socks over your boots, um, 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.240 and it makes a difference what I'm thinking about trying 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:53.839 in the futures. I'm talking about trying my uh just minimalists. 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:59.759 They're actually called minimalists minimalist sneakers because there you could 0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:02.400 walk kind of steep pitch and have a lot of agility. 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.799 It's not like running around and like like those things 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.680 that go over your boots that are unstable. It's like 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.200 walking on tussocks almost. But yeah, I might try that 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.719 in the future, or those little ninja boots, not the 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.920 bungee kinds, with a little ninja socks, you know. Yeah, No, 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.640 I think those little minimal issues would would work well 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.320 for stalking. Sure, I feel like I feel like that 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.160 might be the way to go. I'll probably bring those 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.080 down to Old Mexico and try them out because that's 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:31.160 a lot of that gravelly crap down there too. Um. Okay, 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.000 so you run a dry bag to keep all your 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:37.239 extra gear. Yeah, and again like packed clothes, going to 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.880 a dry back like a super lightweight. It's basically a 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:45.120 stuff sack, but it's waterproof. Um. And in there will 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.919 be an extra pair of socks, a pair of bass 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:50.279 layer body, one pair of one extra pair of socks, 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:52.520 so you have on you a total of two pairs 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:57.239 of socks for one week of hunting. Yeah. If I 0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.760 had to, I mean if they got so crusty and crunchy, 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.520 because I feel like that's what happens after a while up. 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.800 Yeah that if I really had to, I could probably 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.719 wash them in a stream or something and hang them 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:10.239 up and in a day they'd be dressed. Hang them 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.319 off the back of your pack when you're hiking around, um, 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.520 and they get back nice again. Yeah. And I feel 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.480 like if you do the right things, like take them 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.279 off at night, put them into the bottom and you're 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.120 sleeping bag. So so you're sleeping back, sucking the moisture 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.279 out of them. Don't just roll them up and stick 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.200 them into your boots which have a lot of moisture 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.200 in them that you're that should be you know coming out. 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:35.359 Keep that whole system dry and you're gonna get longevity 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.400 out of it, you know, before those socks aret to 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.680 get slicked up, crunchy, it's like not comfortable anymore. And 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:43.440 then to keep mine. If you're hunting an area, you 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:48.719 gotta cross bad creeks, bad you know, fast slick rock creeks. Uh, 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:51.640 put your extra pairs, take your boots off, and don't 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.000 cross barefoot though, because you you know, you slip on 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:57.160 the rocks and bang your feet all up but across 0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:01.120 in a pair wool socks and then hang them out 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.680 to dry out. But that way, you just it glues 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:07.239 you to the rocks. Man, It's like wearing felts old waiters. Yeah. 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.000 It protects you. Yeah, I mean unless you stay on 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:11.840 top of the rocks instead of having your feet slipped 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:16.560 down between the rocks getting all messed up. Basic layer bottoms. 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:23.239 Maybe yeah, I think they're gonna go because I'm looking 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.520 at the weather and it's looking like it could be cold. 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.440 Enough where I could be hunting in those like actually 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:30.680 wearing them. You know, I don't want to again like 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:32.319 you're saying, I don't want to have those clothes are 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.000 just for a few minutes or that you end up 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.719 pack them around the whole time. But I feel like 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.160 the base layer bottoms, it could be cold enough. And 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.920 what I was thinking about is if somehow, like my pants, 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:45.600 my regular field pants get soaking wet and I need 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:47.879 time to dry them out, you can wear base layer 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.319 bottoms and your rain pants, and that's a very comfortable 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.400 system to go out and do your thing in. Right. 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.359 It's not as quiet as just wearing your fueld pants, 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.480 you know, but it's um you know, to hike out 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.840 that way. You know, you can vent your rain pants 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.440 if it's getting too hot, but it's it's a comfy 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.799 way to go. And I'm old enough to now where 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.719 if I had to, i'd probably just I'd would skip 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:14.160 the rain pants just where you're you know, long Tom 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.319 bottoms and go hiking like a Kiwi it's on New 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:23.720 Zealanders hunt shorts and long John's, uh so puffy pants 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.160 like a synthetic puffey pant. If it's super cold, you'll 0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:29.120 add a synthetic. Yeah, so I'm not bringing it on 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.400 this trip. It's just not gonna be cold enough. And 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:36.160 then a puffy jacket mm hmm yeah your na oh, yeah, 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.800 that's coming for sure. And then you got the boundary 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:43.320 storm pints, storm tight rain pants, and then the lightweight 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:47.760 rain jacket. It's like a light, thin layer rain jacket. 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.080 That's a risky move, but they do pack up real 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.239 nice and tight and small. Man, Oh my god. And 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:59.520 if you're on the fence about a rain jacket, go 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.640 with the rain. Go with like, rather than go no 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.560 rain jacket, go the lightest, little rinky dink rain jacket 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.080 you can find. Yeah, it's a bold move to go 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.400 no rain jacket for a week. Yeah, super bold. You 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:12.840 know you're gonna have you're gonna have to do something, 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.040 whether it's an umbrella or a tarp that you're constantly 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:19.160 setting up. But yeah, it's a very bold move because 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.359 all the texts is one storm and it's like sure, 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.520 you're like, oh, I'm gonna go huddle underneath the tree, 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.840 but if it blows and starts coming on their sideways, 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.239 you're gonna be miserable. And then, uh, one thing I 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.040 don't see here. You don't use a pack cover. Well 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.800 you do you you're yeah, that'll that will be in 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.719 there for sure, like a fitted like a fitted pack 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:43.759 cover from the manufacturer of the backpack. Um, no tent, No, 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:47.560 just tarping it, just tarping ten by ten tart, ten 0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.879 by temp tarp. Keep in mind when you're sleeping under 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.880 the tarp if you're six ft tall, don't be like, oh, 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.920 I need a six ft tarp. You got like like 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:57.879 a tent by ten tart. Once you put a pitch 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.520 in it, it's still like there is not a ton 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:04.120 of room to be off center under that tarp if 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.040 it gets bad, if it gets bad. Yeah, And I like, 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.640 I like the whole bush craft of using the tarp. 0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:13.520 Like I've got a couple of pitches down. I set 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.080 one up last week to cover up our meat, and um, 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:18.879 we had some amazing wins. I mean we definitely had 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.200 gales that were hitting I don't know, at least fifty 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:26.120 maybe sixty plus, and uh, what ended up happened? Is 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.279 this new This it's a Colorado I think it's called 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:33.480 Colorado tarp from seek outside. But it has like the 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.080 little tighteners already built in so you don't have to 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:38.800 run like knots that you know used tightened. And the 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.760 cord that I had was just a little bit too skinny. 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:43.880 It was holding just fine when it was blown thirty 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.320 and forty, but as soon as the gale hit it 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:50.319 with sixty, I think that the line to slipped through 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.799 the tensioner itself. You know, I had like a two 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.239 mill cord just trying to be light. I think if 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:56.960 I just bump up to three mill like it would 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.160 take that. But I'm not expecting that kind of wind 0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:00.840 on this trip. You know. What I do that know 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:02.719 the two thoughts on when you use the tarpet ista 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:04.480 of tent. What I do that no one, no one 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.040 agrees with me on is I make a six inch 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:11.440 loop of bungee of small shot cord. On every corner 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:15.080 and every every guy point on the tarp, I put 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.440 a bungee in there. The reason I do that is 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:20.680 I'll use mine a lot. If you're perched up somewhere 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:24.120 glass and for the day and it starts raining or snow, 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:25.800 and I'll often just put my tarp up just to 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.480 give a comfortable place where you can stay dry and 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.760 warm under there. I put bungee in all my corners 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:33.560 because I can just wrap those bungees around little branches, 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:36.959 chunks of brush rocks and set it up very fast. 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.279 I'll run around trying to find stuff to tie off to. 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:41.719 The Other thing is when I do tie it off, 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.320 I tie to the bungee and that gives it some 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:46.400 You can pull it tight, but it still gives it 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.440 a little bit of flex which keeps the fabric from 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.239 giving out and tearing or other problems you might have 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.360 with trying to keep it tight and nice. And it 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.120 keeps some of that flap noise down when you got 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:58.680 a little bit of stretching there. So I like to 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.480 do it to turn everybody else onto it, no one, 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:03.239 no one else runs them, but I always put the 0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:05.520 bungees on mine. And when you do pitch out of 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.759 tarp to sleep under, keep it low. You don't need 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.440 to have your tarp like if you're sleeping under, not 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:14.719 like a hangout tarper. To sleeping under tarp, you don't 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.480 need to have it way up in the air. You 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:19.319 should crawl into that thing like how you crawl into 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.719 a tent, because then you don't have stuff blowing in 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:25.759 from the sides right. Yeah. No, I think like if 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:31.080 if like someone else and my m me, if I 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.320 someone else under the tarp together, you probably had to 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.600 go to like an a frame a frame style pitch 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.839 right where you have a ridge running from one pole 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.800 to a tree or between two poles, um, just to 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:45.960 give yourself the room. But if it's just me, I'll 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.399 run what's called like a diamond pitch, and so I'll 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:50.480 run off of one of my tracking poles or a tree. 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:51.920 Is even better because you can get a little bit 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.600 higher and then basically run like a diagonal ridge from 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.279 corner to corner to the ground, and then your two 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:00.840 other edges just sort of like come men and conform 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:04.000 to the ground. So you've only got one end that's open. 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.919 And so as long as you pitch properly and don't 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.560 have that open to the wind, you know, you've got 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.080 amazing coverage and you can throw a fire, you know, 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.040 right there if you want to, and stay dry and 0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.240 nice like you're always gonna be open to the elements, 0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:21.080 you know, from some angle. Um, there actually are pitches 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.160 where I think you can completely close off of the tarp. 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:26.680 I've just never done it. Um. Oh yeah, there's like, yeah, 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.840 there's like if you have a huge tarp, there's the 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.440 way that you're laying on the tarp. You got a 0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.279 back wall. You're laying on a little bit of the 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:37.839 tarp for groundcover. You got a back wall that comes up, 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.840 it goes across the lid and drops down as a 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.719 as like a wall. That's a huge tarp. But you 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:48.440 see an old timey books and you still have two 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.680 open ends though, wouldn't you. Yeah, still got two open ends, 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:52.520 but you position for the wind. Because here's the thing 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:57.040 people don't like when you're ringing up. Like for instance, 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.919 Alvish Mast took a picture of it when I drew 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.440 my copy River Buffalo tag years ago. I remember I 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.120 had a setup where I was sleeping under a tarp 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:11.080 and I was actually burning buffalo chips in a little fire. 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.359 And I remember reading about that when God, when you're 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.480 setting the tarp up and you're actually heating, you know, 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.879 you make a fire for warmth. In the old days, 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.959 you didn't make it be that you're tarp shielded the wind. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:26.839 You want to draft through it so you could get 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.960 heat under there, but not trap all your smoking there. Right, 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.920 Remember getting up and thinking how much I liked it. 0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:35.200 Looks at how I had my tarp and my buffalo 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.839 chip fire. I snapped a picture, walked over the edge 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:42.680 and shout of buffalo after really coming to grips with 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.200 the idea that I was not going to be getting one. Um. 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:49.600 But yeah, that's that's like a you know, even like 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.920 when you're reading really old ship about like old pioneers 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:54.799 and old explorers. I mean they used tarps all the time. 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.640 That was like their their tent material, and they got 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:02.120 way ways of pitching them. Um. There's a book, God, 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:13.880 what's that river book? River? Now you know the author? No, 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:20.520 but it's a guy in Canada. I can't remember. Runting book. 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:22.840 He they do a lot of hunting, a lot of trapping, 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.800 river deception, I can't remember. Anyways, there's a great book 0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:34.120 where these guys, it's in the nineties and big fur 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:36.800 boom going on, and they're trapping and cannon and working 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.400 the rivers, trapping, and they always got to get to 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.640 their site because they're they're out in the middle of 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:45.720 the winter. And he describes their tarp setups. They got 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:49.919 a plan two hours every night to get their tarp 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:54.200 setups in such a way that they can survive using 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:58.000 not using tense but making making setting up tarps in 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:00.480 a way that you can burn wood to try to 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:02.760 keep for freezing death. And you always had to plan 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:06.280 on that two hour set up, and these guys weren't 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:08.800 run around with head lamps. Yeah, so it really cut 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.960 into your day, right, But I do like types. It's 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.800 like there's like a tidiness to it that you just 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:19.080 kind of like, man, yeah, and a versatility, you know. 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:23.200 And again you've gotta be ready for you know, it's 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.360 fine and danny when it's you know, seventy during the 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.040 day and then it's like a starry, thirty five degree 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.280 night with zero win, It's like who cares, don't even 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:34.440 set the tarp up. You can just like sleep out right, Um, 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.320 get your head into the hood of your sleeping bag. 0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:41.080 But if it blows and then there's moisture coming in, 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:46.360 um yeah, you better like have like like some experience 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.800 and a plan. And one of the things that's gonna 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:50.960 that's allowing me to do this is I'm going to 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:56.880 use a um nemo sleeping bag that has basically like 0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:00.360 a um like what they call like a bad sub 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:02.840 floor in a tent. It basically has that built into 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.160 the seating back, so you don't have to bring ground pad. 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.360 It's built in or I'm sorry, a ground sheet or 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:11.760 tarp that's built into the bag. And then it kind 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:14.240 of curves around your feet. So a lot of times, 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.600 like especially tall guy like me, you know, your feet 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:18.120 are sticking out at the end of whatever, or even 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.000 if you're in a tent, your feet are touching like 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:22.920 the tent wall, which can cause moisture to come in 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.000 and get your bag. So that sort of is protecting 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:30.080 me from you know, the moisture that you didn't plan for. UM. 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:35.560 And it's also a the sleam bag system is built 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.200 so that you can slip your pad into the sleeping bag, 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:42.200 so it kind of sits between the bottom insulation and 0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:45.000 then that bathtub floor that I was talking about, the 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:49.960 waterproof floor UM, which is pretty slick. Keeps you on 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:55.200 your keeps you on your path, you don't slide off. UM. 0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:00.080 Final thought on tarps if it's bad mosquito time, like 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:03.960 you know, yeah, you know, if you're hunting like spring 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:06.640 hunts or you're hunting late summer hunts, it just you 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:08.680 gotta plan on that too. It just doesn't give you 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:12.240 a break. No, if you got bad black flies, bad mosquitoes, 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:14.680 and you're you're going the tar. It's like sometimes when 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:18.880 it's so bad, you know, particularly Alaska in other places too, 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:20.880 it just gets so bad it's hard to like, it's 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:23.600 hard to maintain your sanity. Yeah, the bugs, and it 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:26.920 is nice to have a mesh, just something and now 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:28.800 and then get a break from that ship. When we 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:33.480 were up at Bucks, we slept out a bunch my 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.880 brother and I believe we're sleeping out and uh, well 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:39.440 worked pretty good now and again it had it been 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:41.400 too hot to sleep up and sleep to zip up 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:43.400 the sleeping bag, it would have sucked. But we were 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:45.600 just zipping up and then basically putting on a head 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:49.479 net and that worked. I had a had a thermo 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:53.120 cell on that trail didn't. But you still need something 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:55.360 to can do well. It depends on whendy it is. Uh, 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:56.840 here's the thing. I don't agree with you, and I 1:00:56.920 --> 1:00:58.120 know you'd like to use them as you use trek 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:01.640 and polls. All again, a couple of things I need 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:05.120 him for right, UM need him to build to pitch 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:09.320 a tarp possibly using for a hiking, especially when I 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:11.040 got meat on my back I think it, you know, 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:14.000 saves your knees, saves your back, takes stress off your 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:19.440 joints um and I'm not bringing a tripod, so I'm 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:22.720 gonna use that pole for one of the poles for classing. Yeah, 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:25.600 that's a calhan does tore right, Yeah, you know. And 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:30.680 then so we already covered this. You gotta Nemo insulated pad, 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:35.440 Tensor twenty pad and a Nemo are Galli fifteen degree 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:40.920 bag no ground pad because you're sleeping bag has a 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:47.400 waterproof brain. You bring your little blow up pillow. Oh man, 1:01:48.160 --> 1:01:52.400 I would not. Yeah, no, I'm not going to, but 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:54.840 I gotta say we use these. I think they're called 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.520 the it's called the philo. I'm guessing they took like 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.400 fleece and pillow and made up this word called pillow. Dude, 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:04.600 it's it's it's dream come true. Oh it's so nice. 1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:08.120 But it's just like on a backpack exactly. And again 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:10.640 it's allance is. You're probably looking at, I don't know, 1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:15.280 not a half a pounds. Yeah, barely. No. I think 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:16.800 when you put in the stuff sack, it's about your 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:22.520 like Steve's giant fist. It's bigger than a powerful fist. Yeah, 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:27.360 uh I love him, don't get me wrong. It's like phenomenal. Um. 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.520 I hate myself for getting to that point in life 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:32.200 where where I have like a little pillow, blow up 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:38.000 inflatable pillow. But in this case, I'm not that old yet. No, 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:39.720 if you have to carry around all in your it's 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:42.040 a base camp thing. Yeah, and this is what I do. 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:46.080 This is uh um how I build my pillow, and 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:49.320 which was nice to have the Nemo pillow because I 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:52.200 didn't have to spend the five minutes. Or maybe it's 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:54.440 only to building my pillow. It's just nice to get 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:57.280 in your bag and just go to bed. What I do, 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:00.160 and it works good because it's as I'm taking off 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:04.480 my layers. But basically would take my puffy jacket across 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:07.480 the arms, folded hood in and then sort of rolled 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:09.680 it up so you kind of have this like long 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:14.120 rectangular role. And then I take my next layer off, 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:16.720 which is usually my fleece, and I slide it neatly 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:18.560 into that fleece all the way up to where the 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:22.240 arms come out, like to the shoulders. I flip it 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:25.720 over and then again cross the arms or no, I'll 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:29.560 flip over the bottom of the fleece so that now 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:32.800 you've um, you know, just kind of repeated that rectangular role, 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:34.520 but the arms are still sticking out. And then I'll 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.680 fold your arms and put like a one overhand, not 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:41.280 trying to lay it as flat as possible, and that 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:44.960 sort of contains the puffy jacket inside, right, and it's 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:47.920 comfortable on your face because you're not sleeping on that nylon. 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:50.320 And then I'll flip it over so that the knots 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.240 on the bottom and then that gets kind of stucked 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:58.040 into the um the hood of my sleeping back and 1:03:58.120 --> 1:04:02.640 it works fine a little making it's just like, yeah, 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:05.800 it's it's a luxury for sure to not have to 1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:07.680 do that and to have your you know, bitch a 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:10.000 little back country pillow. But I'm really I'm gonna leave 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:18.440 those four ounces behind game calls, games, game call intensive hunt. Yes, definitely. 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:19.920 I mean it's one of the reason I going on 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.720 this hunk, because I love to you know, call elk 1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:30.080 um phelps bugle to four diaphragms, and um really two 1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:32.200 of them are extras probab bringing to their you know, 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:36.320 sort of softer latex you know, you know, for sweet 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.320 little cal calls. And then two that are double triple 1:04:39.440 --> 1:04:43.920 reads that are stiffer for bugling. You know, a bugle 1:04:44.000 --> 1:04:46.640 is such with you know, loud a lot of intensity 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:49.520 that even those you know, triple read diaphragms, when you've 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:51.280 been blowing on them for three or four or five 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:53.560 days a lot, if you're really bugling a lot to 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:56.520 whether it's to get responses or to get a bowl 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.560 fired up or whatever, they can start to soften up 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.680 over a while, and you know, you hate to have 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:04.760 one that starts to break or something. You know, as 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:08.200 you're bugling. So as light as the diaphragms are, you know, 1:05:08.400 --> 1:05:11.800 four diaphrams weighs nothing. The call I'll probably use the 1:05:11.960 --> 1:05:15.280 most over the course of a week is an external 1:05:15.400 --> 1:05:20.160 read type CAL call phelps. This is called the easy 1:05:20.480 --> 1:05:24.360 estrus and um. The read sits on a on a 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:28.920 board and then there's a little castration band that holds 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:31.800 the read to the board, and then there's the U 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:36.560 I guess like the tone chamber, the sound chamber that's 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:40.800 attached to that. And I love those because like you 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:43.240 can make them loud, I mean so loud that I'll 1:05:43.320 --> 1:05:46.439 use them to locate bulls. Just make one or two 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.600 big loud cal calls like off of a point and 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:51.280 a lot of times you get a bull they answer 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:59.480 to that. Um, he's just a good American man, Phelps Jason. Yeah, 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:02.320 we like Jason. Um. And then your brother and I 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:06.439 decided to bring in a montana El decoy this year. Yeah, 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.600 I would probably have not brought it in. And again, 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:10.880 definitely if we weren't using if we didn't, if I 1:06:10.920 --> 1:06:12.840 didn't have Lama was waiting for me at the other end, 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:14.840 because it's it's a couple of pounds maybe even a 1:06:14.880 --> 1:06:17.760 couple of pounds plus um, And if I was hunting solo, 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:20.200 it's like, I'm not gonna deal with it. That's a 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:25.480 two dimensional Yes, it's basically it's it's like a printed 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:30.160 picture onto like a stretchy I don't know, pol Yes 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:32.320 or Nilon blend or something that sort of sits over 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:36.000 this frame that you can just twist down and folds 1:06:36.040 --> 1:06:38.920 down into the you know, a small little twelve inch package. 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:42.040 But the steaks are what have some weight to them. Um. 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:44.720 That that's what definitely adds a weight to the decoy. 1:06:44.840 --> 1:06:47.320 But your brother's you know, fired up on using it, 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:49.040 so we're gonna try it out, and you're bringing some 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:55.000 you're bringing some eight by forty vortex knockers. Yeah, I'm 1:06:55.040 --> 1:07:01.040 going with the eights, tidy, little package, tidy. You know, 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:04.080 it's probably not that much lighter, if anything, then then 1:07:04.200 --> 1:07:07.000 the tens I mean it's you know, it could be 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:09.240 a percentage of anounce. Maybe I don't know. I haven't 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:11.440 looked into it. But I like the larger field of view, 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:15.640 the steadiness. I feel like with you know, uh, bow hunting, 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:18.040 you're always in your like a lot of times you're 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:20.960 scanning like a hundred to two hundred yards of you know, 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:24.520 looking for elk in the timber and um using one 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:26.200 hand because you got your bow on the other hand, 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:28.800 or something bugle too in the other hand, whatever, you know. 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:32.480 But it's just like it's steadier, yeah, more to steady 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:35.400 than any else. Wider field of view. Um, And it's 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:37.520 not like you're trying to count annually on a sheep 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:40.040 or counting brow times on some moose two miles away. 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:43.240 It's just like bowl or not able, yeah exactly, or 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:45.880 where'd they go there's a patch of fur, you know, 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:50.080 their head and left. UM on that note, not bringing 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:54.919 um spotting scope or tripod and that's a huge wait 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.760 you know drop that's um, I'm probably looking at like 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:59.760 eight or nine pounds that I'm dropping out of the 1:07:59.840 --> 1:08:03.520 kid there um for me, you know, going on this 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:05.880 archery elk hunt. I mean maybe it'll change in five 1:08:05.960 --> 1:08:08.360 or ten years, but yeah, I'm not I'm not even 1:08:08.440 --> 1:08:12.160 counting points. I'm like looking for a bowl and that's it. 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:15.720 So I need to just find elk, see elk moving 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:19.000 And even with eight three miles away, if I see 1:08:19.040 --> 1:08:21.040 elk on the hillside and I know they're elk, you know, 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:22.960 and you keep and you keep your binyls in your 1:08:23.040 --> 1:08:26.799 range finder in uh in a f HF vinyl harness 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:29.080 has got a little range finder pouch, so your range 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:32.320 finder sits right next to your range finder sits right 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:33.920 next to your binyl is easy to get at, and 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:38.240 it's got little pockets on it, so you've got some wind, 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:43.120 a little smoking a bottle wind detector. Basically, it's like 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.479 taking a talcoum powder and squirting it out of a 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:47.880 little bottle and shoots a little puff up near and 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:54.000 you can see what's going on now invaluable. Yeah, when 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:56.519 conditions right, it seems unnecessary right because you take your 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.240 boot and stir up a little dust and see what 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:01.080 it does. But oftentimes you're in a spot where you know, 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:03.639 if you're an area, it's just like pine needle whatever. 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.880 You can't get like a good wind detector, and bow hunting, 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:12.160 especially trying to walk like sneaking on elk man. It's 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:14.240 like the wind is the old not the only thing, 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:17.080 but the wind is like the main thing you're thinking 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:19.559 about all the time, all the time, and you gotta 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:22.960 pick your moments. It's like a mistake we used to make. 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:24.000 And this is kind of why I wish I could 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:26.120 revisit a lot of the old go back of time 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:27.680 and revisit a lot of the old hunts we used do. 1:09:27.760 --> 1:09:30.920 We used to just be like too eager to rush 1:09:31.000 --> 1:09:36.960 in and not like a lot of phenomenal opportunities slip 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.360 through our hands from not taking time to just assess 1:09:40.080 --> 1:09:43.160 and be patient, wait for the thermals to switch. What 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:45.240 are the thermals doing right, and like all that kind 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:46.840 of stuff and just being like, wow, let's take our 1:09:46.880 --> 1:09:50.519 chances and go. Or you get into it there and 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:54.000 the wind changes and you're like, wow, yeah, let's just 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:57.519 trust our luck. Now it's like now, and sometimes you 1:09:57.640 --> 1:09:59.519 just get hold of this. Man, it's like everything's been 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:02.120 going right for two hours and then there's just one 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:04.840 gust that comes up, you back and then blows an out. 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:08.160 But it is nice to have that constant, you know. 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:11.120 I us just used dust and seed, grass seeds, anything 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:13.200 like that. But and uh, you know northering I used 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:16.559 to do, which I actually loved a lot. I had 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:17.760 done this a long time. I out and know why. 1:10:18.360 --> 1:10:21.439 I used to take a bird feather. Does any feather? 1:10:21.520 --> 1:10:23.840 I'd fine, And I'd take eight inches of dental floss 1:10:25.439 --> 1:10:27.439 and hang it off somewhere in my bowl, want to say, spot. 1:10:27.479 --> 1:10:28.840 The only thing that kind of turned me off to 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:31.360 it is you had to kind of manage it. You 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:34.080 can still get wrapped off, yeah, but man like if 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:36.560 you're going through brush and stopped between. Yeah, But it 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:38.320 used to be like now and then I just love 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:40.000 that thing because I'd had that little I'd kind of 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:42.320 like pull it out and hang it down and on 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.439 the limb of my bowl. I had that dental floss 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:46.679 and that bird feather. Man, you can get an accurate reading, 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:50.120 but it gets wet, it gets tangled. But when it's 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:52.960 like up and running, it was nice. It's just constant 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:58.400 information that feather has given you about what's going on. UM, 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:02.800 and you bring a little cloth for your binos. I 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:05.519 think that's pretty important. Oh it is, man, It's just 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:08.400 like it. Maybe maybe you're not seeing any less with 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:12.080 dirty glass, you know, lenses, but it just is like 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:14.280 any time I haven't done it for a couple of 1:11:14.360 --> 1:11:16.720 days and you wipe them clean, You're like, oh yeah, 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:18.640 It's like if you miss a day of brush in 1:11:18.680 --> 1:11:20.120 your teeth and then you brush your teeth and you 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:25.160 get that same clean, cleansed feeling. Say things looking to 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:27.840 clean binos. The boys of Vortex gave me these things. 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:29.720 I think I know they're available to in drug stores, 1:11:29.760 --> 1:11:33.800 but they gave me these uh little white packets. And 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:36.040 what I like about those is when you get sunscreen 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.519 or something on them, it's a way to get them off. 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:41.360 I'll usually carry one of those in my kit, one 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:46.559 of those optics wet wipes for sunscreen or any kind 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:48.400 of other grease or any kind of thing that doesn't 1:11:48.400 --> 1:11:50.160 want to wipe off off them, but you can usually 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.479 with a clean micro cloth. You usually get them clean 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:55.640 and back up and run in into normal. UM. I 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:57.240 know that I like about the little wet wipe thing 1:11:57.400 --> 1:11:59.680 is when you get a lot of dust kind of 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:03.680 in the when the I cups like spin in and out, 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:05.400 you kind of use it to clean everything out and 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:11.040 keep them up and running. Um butchered kit. Yeah, I 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:15.760 wanna bring a bench made steep country. That's the ricking 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:20.519 knife man. I love that knife. Um, and that's the 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:26.720 only knife. Um. I'll be taken. No multi tool. What 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:28.960 do you got with you for if you if you 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:30.840 screw something up on your bow or need a monkey 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:34.960 with it? Do you bring a little kid? Yeah, little 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:38.559 repair kit which will basically have all any size uh 1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:43.640 you know Alan screw that's on the site or you know, 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:46.680 you know any of that. It's all Alan. Yeah. But 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:48.519 but I just feel like having like a little like 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:50.600 the reason I carrying It's like how often you need 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:53.519 a little pair of needle loaves? I see, I was 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:55.160 thinking that when I was packing. I was like, not 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:59.920 that often, especially when I'm holding that big, heavy multi 1:13:00.000 --> 1:13:04.200 tool in my hands. I like it because the little 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:08.920 saw I don't, and all my the the Alans tooks 1:13:09.320 --> 1:13:12.439 for my stuff. I have an adapter, so all those 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:16.200 little Alan's are on my right. But no, I get it. 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:19.320 I get it. But I just oftentimes I oftentimes find 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:24.040 myself like very happy to have needing those players even 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:26.240 digging out in growing tonails and whatnot. I just use 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:30.080 all the time. Man, Well, I mean it's that's what 1:13:30.120 --> 1:13:32.000 I mean. The fun part about this is, you know, 1:13:32.080 --> 1:13:33.880 you go out there and if I get worked over 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:36.040 because not having my needle nose, then next time I'll 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.599 be packing them. Yeah, but it is. It's heavy. It's 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:42.160 a very heavy little item. Um, you got a little 1:13:42.160 --> 1:13:47.760 mini sharpener which kind of you don't need because you're 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:52.920 only gonna be doing an animal. Yeah that's true to 1:13:53.320 --> 1:14:00.080 you guys. Yeah, yeah, but it's so small and so 1:14:00.360 --> 1:14:03.400 light that little bench made made me feel a sharpener 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:05.479 that like, I feel like it's worth it. Yeah. We 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:07.439 just said a trip where you chopped up three like 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:10.320 doing a caribou a day and the sizeable animal. You're 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:12.600 glad you got a sharpener. If you're going out and 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:14.200 just like the most you're gonna do is you're gonna 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:16.240 get like, oh animal, you're just gonna be doing a deer. 1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:18.320 I don't even you know, I don't necessarily worry about 1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:19.920 it because like if you got a honed up knife 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:22.560 it's gonna get you through that plus more. But it 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:27.479 is really small zip ties for what reason, They're just 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:30.040 nice to have. I mean they're in my little butcher 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.720 and kit section because, um, I like to put my 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:36.479 tag on with a zip tie, you know, Montana. It's 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:39.479 kind of a big carcass tag and I think it 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:43.639 comes with holes, you know, pre punched. I mean obviously 1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:47.160 you could use peak ord or whatever. Um, but yeah, 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:49.080 I just like a zip tie I carry. I carry 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:51.720 a couple of zip ties in my emergency kit. Yeah. Yeah, 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:55.639 And obviously fix all sorts of stuff with the Kala. 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:58.320 They're strong. You can you can fix backpacks and stuff 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:03.040 with them. Um. And then tag game bags I used 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:05.040 to like, and I still like some aspects of Like 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:08.840 there's a copy of Laski game bags I used to 1:15:08.920 --> 1:15:11.320 use all the time. It's like a disposable bag and 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:14.439 it's like a cheese cloth in material, but flies can 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:17.160 lay eggs through it. And if you drop that bag 1:15:17.240 --> 1:15:19.679 in the dirt, the meat stil gets dirty. It keeps 1:15:19.720 --> 1:15:22.040 out big stuff, but it doesn't keep out fine stuff. 1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:27.080 But they're inexpensive, which is nice, and you just they're disposable, 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:29.920 which is like, well, it's just part of like the 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:32.360 disposable world, right, everything that just gets thrown in the 1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:35.280 trash all time as a bummer. But you're not like 1:15:35.360 --> 1:15:37.920 messing around trying to clean them and getting blood out 1:15:37.960 --> 1:15:43.200 of game bags as a chore. So yeah, now I've 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:48.599 settled it. Not using the reusables, the tag bags. It's 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:51.599 almost like a silky kind of silky feeling and material 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:55.160 and flies can't lay eggs through it. And you can 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:57.080 bag up meat and drop it in the dust and 1:15:57.120 --> 1:16:00.200 the meat doesn't get any dust on it. I think, 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:04.479 I think if you drug them through mud and like 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:08.080 we're like, you know, somehow pushing that through the material, 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:11.320 you it would eventually, like you know, it would permeate 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:15.160 and get through. But no more more protection though more 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:19.560 definitely more protection. Yeah, and reusable and um easy to 1:16:19.680 --> 1:16:22.519 hang strong and then you get but you gotta come home. 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:24.639 And I to come home and take a five gallon 1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:28.040 bucket make a mild bleach solution. Yeah, so come or 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:30.320 take some simple green soaked soun's a bitches a couple 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.880 of times, wash them in the washing machine, give him 1:16:33.920 --> 1:16:35.639 the old smell test, hang them out in the sun. 1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:40.200 But it's hard to deal with Yeah, yeah, definitely, because 1:16:40.240 --> 1:16:42.160 you think you got it. You think you get it, 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:45.479 you think you got your pat clean, and then it 1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:48.439 rains and it just reactivates that stuff and you realize 1:16:48.439 --> 1:16:52.479 you didn't get it clean. I just peroxide man, eats 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:55.120 it up. Yeah, gets the blood out. That's the that's 1:16:55.160 --> 1:16:56.920 the key. I don't use it on game bags, but 1:16:57.040 --> 1:16:58.479 on the pack. I do it a lot. In a 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:02.519 spray bottle. Yeah works good. Oh yeah, I hear people 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:04.040 talk about it all the time. How much you gotta 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:07.519 put on there. I mean, just spray it. You'll see 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:09.880 it does the foamy thing and then rinse it off. 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:13.400 Really spray it. Maybe. All this time about using hydrogen 1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:16.120 peroxide to clean blood out of backpacks, the one thing 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:18.400 you'd be careful and I think it's it's actually, um 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:22.240 it could be corrosive. I think a fabric. Yeah, you 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:25.200 wouldn't want to like like like sprayed on there and 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:27.720 leave it. That's why that's why my backpack. I don't 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:29.960 like to use the bleach solution. Yeah, I'm afraid of 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:34.519 dicking up the stitches. Uh fift of three millimeter pair 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:39.840 cord as you carry, but I use that weird expensive 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:41.599 I can't think of what it's called, but like makes 1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:46.760 it so it's like half the width now, dynema, Yeah 1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:49.920 that's what it is. Well, I got some of that 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:54.840 ship's expensive, dude, but it's like, yeah, it's like the 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:58.599 guy that's really counting ounces. It's like what's extremely strong, 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:02.120 very thin in and I keep it because the thing 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:04.680 is out depending on what kind of stuff I'm doing, 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:07.280 if I'm really wait conscious and I'm not doing like 1:18:07.479 --> 1:18:10.120 if I'm doing like a not needing to be way 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:12.160 conscious but in a very place where it's just very 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:15.440 difficult to be and there's a lot of like bushcraft 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:19.200 kind of factors at play, like river trips for instance, 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.200 right like a river, like a river hunting trip where 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:23.320 you just constantly rigging and fixing and trying to figure 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:26.559 stuff out deal with big animals. I'll bring extra pair 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:29.080 of cord, knowing that I might be cutting it up 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:32.519 and doing various things with it, guying out stuff, rigging tarps. 1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:36.040 But the reason I bought that that souped up material 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:40.600 para cord is I would never cut it. It's just 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:43.080 like a little teeny's twenty five ft school that I 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:47.280 keep always in my stuff. And then because I know 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:49.560 I got one length for like hoisting stuff up or 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:51.400 any kind of thing. And if I need, if i'm 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:53.200 gonna know i'm gonna be using something, I'll grab some 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:56.760 all their like more conventional six hundred pound parachord and 1:18:56.840 --> 1:18:59.800 carry it with me for for for just rigging. But 1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:08.400 keep that one emergency piece intact. Good plan. Uh yeah day, 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.519 I'm forbidden for cutting it up unless it's a life 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:14.880 death situation. Uh. Cooking and water you gotta jet boil 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:17.600 one fuel canis I was gonna get. I thought of 1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:19.280 a little pro tip though, I want to come back 1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:23.439 to those tag game bags. They're drawstring is long enough 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:27.880 where unless you're you're hanging branch or post is just 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:30.920 you know, super thick. I'm guessing like over you know, 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:34.280 six or eight inches. But if you've got something smaller 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.080 you're gonna hang your bag off of. Um it's the 1:19:37.840 --> 1:19:40.880 length of chords long enough where you can do a 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:43.640 And the pro tip here is that the not that 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:46.679 I eventually found and now used for this and east 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.880 of this, like he used to kill me, but I 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:52.760 never had like a good quick release, not for like 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:54.960 you know how some dudes or two people with an elk. 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:57.760 Sometimes they're holding up an elk quarter and then you're 1:19:57.760 --> 1:19:59.800 supposed to be the guy tying, and then like you 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:02.080 have a plan in your head for like the not 1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:04.000 to use, and so you be like you think you 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:05.760 got something tied up, and they let go. The thing 1:20:05.840 --> 1:20:07.920 just hits the ground, or you do or you do 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:09.760 a clove hitch and you gotta get back up in 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:11.200 there and take all the weight off to get the 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:13.080 hitch on done, yeah, or you end up cutting it. 1:20:13.600 --> 1:20:16.760 So I found a not called the Siberian hitch, or 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:19.360 I think another name for it is the evank e 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:24.960 v e n k hitch. But you can tie it. 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:27.880 I can actually hold the weight as long it's not 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:30.840 like a rear quarter on a elk, and hold it 1:20:31.760 --> 1:20:33.679 and then the way you tie it is it goes 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:36.200 over and then you to create the loop. You basically 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:39.120 keep two of your fingers out and then your tag 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:41.400 in goes around the line and you pull a loop 1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:44.240 through the loop that your finger two fingers are making, 1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:46.320 and then you can just release the weight and it 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:50.960 snugs up. But so it's slick because one Siberian hitch. Yeah, 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:54.679 you can do it by yourself. Almost most of the time, 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.200 and then it's a quick release, so it needs to 1:20:57.240 --> 1:20:59.000 come down. You just pull a tag in and it's out. 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:03.719 I like that. I got to look out the Siberian hitch. Um. Yeah, 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:05.400 so if you got but again, if you have a 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:09.160 bigger uh you know, branch or log you're hanging it 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:12.360 off of, you're gonna have to add some pecord. So 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:17.120 cooking the water, you gotta jet boil. One canister cigarette lighter. 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:19.960 Usually carry a regular cigarette lighter and then a mini 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.000 dinky cigarette lighter that I tuck away somewhere, because it 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:26.000 sucks to lose your lighter. Yeah, I definitely, Yeah, you 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:29.240 gotta have to um. Another thing about lighters I like 1:21:29.360 --> 1:21:32.960 to do is I like to wrap, um tape all 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:36.040 my lighters. Don't you identify your lighter so muggs you're 1:21:36.040 --> 1:21:38.120 with don't steal your lighter and just gives you like 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:40.320 a little place to have some tape. Yeah, duct tape 1:21:40.360 --> 1:21:43.200 on one and maybe um we had a stuff called 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:48.719 gaff tape uh in camera world and uh it's super tough, 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:52.840 but like it's removable and you can write on it. Um, 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:54.680 so I can have some of that stuff you know 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:56.439 on it. And if you use a bright color, and 1:21:56.520 --> 1:22:00.920 you can always find your lighter. Uh, got your drinking cup? 1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:06.120 Long handled spoon. Now, anyone that eats house mountain house 1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:10.280 freeze dry you need a long spoon. If you eat 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:12.439 out of freeze dry bags, you want a long spoon 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:15.519 that where your knuckles don't get all full of a 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:19.519 pasta sauce. Yeah, it's key, you can get one. I 1:22:19.640 --> 1:22:22.800 think I think it's seed of stomach makes it titanium 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:26.840 on a titanium. Yeah. And then my little kid in 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:30.400 my little back country organizer, like I organized all my 1:22:30.479 --> 1:22:33.640 small stuff in the outdoor Research back country Organizer, and 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:35.680 in there there's like almost a spot that looks like 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:38.759 it was made for long handle spoon. And that spoon 1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:43.320 is just barely short enough or the or the back 1:22:43.320 --> 1:22:45.880 counte organize is just barely long enough to hold that spoon. 1:22:45.960 --> 1:22:49.360 And I file two V notches into the handle of 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:52.160 my spoon, and that spoon is called D double V notch, 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:56.240 And that's how I identify my spoon. Yanni puts a 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:58.800 bright piece of tape around his It's kind of a 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:02.320 better idea because it's because titanium spoons are like the 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:11.519 perfect camouflage. They disappear uh, one court size Nal Jean 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:14.320 wide mouth type bottle so you can scoop up water 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:19.240 in it. Um a dromedary. It's like a big collapsible 1:23:19.280 --> 1:23:21.400 water bag. And that's like a really essential piece of 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:24.040 gear if you gotta go a long ways for your water. Yeah, 1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:26.600 you have to haul water at all. Um, if you 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:29.000 know you're gonna be spending time, you know, away from 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:30.800 your water all day hunting, you know, up on the 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:34.519 side of a mountain. Um, it's key. I think that 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:36.720 they make a smaller but I think the one I 1:23:36.800 --> 1:23:39.360 have is four leaders and it sounds like a lot, 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:43.080 but obviously you don't have to fill it up. They 1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:45.479 make a lightweight, small bag, but it's not durable little 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:48.040 burst yeah, but I think you can get it in 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:51.920 the durable version. I think so, yeah, but that the 1:23:52.000 --> 1:23:54.360 same thing. It's like, I think mine holds two courts. 1:23:55.720 --> 1:24:00.360 It's like a black material. UM, very rugged. I don't like. 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:05.680 I don't like, uh, water bladders in my pack. Do 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:09.839 you drink out of a hose Because the hoses freeze, 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:14.560 the bladders leak. You got like a frozen hole, so 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:16.320 you can't drink anyways. And then all this stuff in 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.880 your pack soaking wet because the badder bladder burst. I 1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:21.040 messed around with those out like those things, and I 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:23.400 think what happens even more often, what happened to me 1:24:23.520 --> 1:24:26.519 so many times is that like the mouthpiece, live of 1:24:26.560 --> 1:24:28.600 them have locks on them, you know, you know, the 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:31.720 open and clothes. But you leave it open and you 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:34.760 set your pack down and the weight of the stuff 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.519 the pack presses down onto your mouthpiece and it just 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:40.439 slowly leaks out. Yeah, not only is everything wet, but 1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:42.680 then you're out of drinking water. Yeah. I'd rather think 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:45.439 about hunting and think about that dang bladder. My pack 1:24:45.560 --> 1:24:49.920 man thinks driving crazy Now. The upside is, though, I 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:54.160 gotta say, it's sweet to just always have that, you know, 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:58.120 like a sip of water is handy. Oh listen, Yeah, 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:00.160 I didn't talk about the I didn't everybody know is 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:03.120 the upsides. I think the upsides are obvious. You stay 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:06.599 hydrated because you're drinking all the time. That's the upside. 1:25:06.840 --> 1:25:09.519 And just you know, it's a big upside calling you know, 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:12.040 you're getting you know, dry mouth, you know, and you're 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:15.320 just like, oh the water you drink away, you go, 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:19.639 you drink taken for granted, that drinking water is good. 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:23.840 You drink way more water with a hose. But I've 1:25:23.920 --> 1:25:27.400 just had too many problems with those things to where 1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:29.800 I'm like, I just don't use them, and I don't 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:33.240 drink as much water as most people. I find, Uh 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:36.200 sterry pins, which are kind of like the only thing 1:25:36.240 --> 1:25:40.080 we even use anymore. M Yeah, we're always packing. I 1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:43.599 think it's Aquamera that makes the tablets, so we always 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:48.360 have those case because the sterry pen, it's a mechanical device. Man, 1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:54.440 it's got like it's got UV bulb. It takes batteries, 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:57.000 but you can keep the thing in your shirt pocket. 1:25:57.040 --> 1:26:00.599 I mean they're many, but it can fail. Yeah, ultra 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:04.200 could fail. Yeah, pump could fail too. So if you 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:09.439 like having super pristine clean water. Um. For instance, this 1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:12.320 last time we were just on we the whole camp 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:15.920 drank out of a uh puddle, I mean it was 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:17.559 a puddle. It's like what do you call that? Think 1:26:17.560 --> 1:26:19.960 it's like like a not a sinkhole, but a little 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:21.800 hole in the tunder with some water in it. Yeah, 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:26.960 like a little tunder puddle. Yeah, but like even your 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:30.559 even your kids could probably jump over this right small 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:36.400 like uh mushy, you know, muddy bottom, lots of stuff 1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:38.240 floating in it. So if you if you don't want 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:41.479 to drink water that has floaters, you have to pump. 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:44.240 If you don't mind that strypens awesome, or if you're 1:26:44.240 --> 1:26:46.160 just hunting near creeks and stuff you know that has 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:54.120 clear water. Uh. You got a head lamp ye black 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:56.479 diamond headlamp. Yeah, and I was gonna find the name 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:59.639 of it, and I ran out of time. But super small, smooth, 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:03.640 super lightweight, only runs on two triple a's. It's not 1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:08.040 like a megabeam headlamp. Um, but it's bright enough where 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:10.360 I've run at night with it if I have a 1:27:10.439 --> 1:27:12.519 fresh set of batteries. But you can dim the light 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:17.400 on it. Um. It's called Storm. No Storm is a 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:22.080 bigger one, maybe called the eye on you're talking to 1:27:22.080 --> 1:27:24.559 you a little mini moment with retractable cord or that's 1:27:24.600 --> 1:27:27.120 just no, no, no, that's my emergency one. It's the 1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:29.280 one that's got a little it's like it's operated by 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:33.320 by swiping and touching the face. Yeah, you don't like it, 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:37.800 but it's super small, super lightweight. You can lock it 1:27:38.200 --> 1:27:41.360 so that doesn't come on in your pocket, which I like. Um, 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:45.479 but yeah, it's nice. And since we're on head lamps, 1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:50.240 I carry one of those petsel Elites, which is I 1:27:50.280 --> 1:27:52.240 don't know the size of the three quarters of an 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:55.439 ounce super lightweight it runs. If you took a stack 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:57.479 of four or five quarters and stacked him up, that's 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.040 about how big that little thing is. I keep one 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:05.360 of my kit runs on two CRWO batteries and surprisingly 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:08.400 bright like I've had. I think you've even borrowed at once. 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:11.960 You could use it as your primary light. Yeah, but 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:13.680 now and then you get into like when you're out, 1:28:13.800 --> 1:28:16.680 you just get into some like crazy nighttime situations and 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:18.200 it's you know, it's nice to be all that if 1:28:18.200 --> 1:28:22.479 you need to work into the night, yes, and not 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:24.799 have you know, not be button up against the darkness. 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:29.880 Then you got an extra release. That's the thing, man, Like, 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:34.479 that's a real vulnerability. Very and those things get lost, 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:39.160 they do. Yeah. I haven't personally ever lost one, but 1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:42.040 I definitely had clients over the years that lost them 1:28:42.640 --> 1:28:44.640 and wouldn't even have a replacement. At camp. You know, 1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:47.840 I had time hike out and drive seventy miles by 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:53.800 release there you go right there, carry the extra sevent 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:56.280 to get a release and they're not. Like, I couldn't 1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:57.720 find the release I had, so I had to start 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:02.360 messing around. Yeah yeah, and shoot it. You know, I was. 1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:06.040 I put in my notes here to shoot it because 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:09.360 you know, up until a week ago, I hadn't shot 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:12.160 my actually release for probably about a year. And uh, 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:16.080 it feels very similar, but it is different than my 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:19.080 regular release. And you're so here's a little redundancy. You're 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:26.600 bringing some bear spray and you're forty four. Each of 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:29.400 those things like, yeah, I see it. Uh, each of 1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:32.720 those things is problematic. Anyone who's been hosed by bear 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:35.320 spray and a bear spray accidental discharge, which I have 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:37.639 been done, it's like that makes you kind of hate 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:41.639 that stuff. But I'd rather get hold by an accidental 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:44.640 bear spray discharge an accidental forty four discharge. The guy 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:47.240 in Colorado was just like, which doesn't even have grizzlies, 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:49.280 So I'll never understand this. So I'm dude in Colorado. 1:29:49.320 --> 1:29:52.519 It's like Scared of black Bears, tripped over a tent 1:29:52.640 --> 1:29:53.960 steak in the middle of night. He's going out to 1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:57.559 take a growler in the morning, trips over a tent 1:29:57.640 --> 1:29:59.400 steak and blows a hole through his own wrist. What 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:06.120 is his bear gun? I don't know. Yeah, everybody thinks 1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:11.720 they're rambo man. It's like, yeah, yeah, I feel it 1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:16.320 is redundant. But recently some there was He was one 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:18.439 guy I ain't two guys from malled and they were together. 1:30:19.800 --> 1:30:23.400 Bow hunters are a high risk in Montana, and um, 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:25.719 I want to say that one of the bear sprays 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:27.680 didn't work and that was the guy that ended up 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:30.360 getting mauled. The other his body, you know, sprayed the 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:33.160 bear and eventually got the bear. Often, but the guy 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:35.839 ended up with you know, some ridiculous amount of stitches, 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:41.080 you know. Yeah, but again it's neither more perfect. No, never, 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:44.479 it's probably good to have a little redundancy. Their thing is, uh, 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:47.639 I can't remember the percentage of times, but oftentimes, when 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:49.479 when a couple of guys are hunting together and one 1:30:49.520 --> 1:30:52.320 of them is getting mauled the other one of them, 1:30:53.400 --> 1:30:55.439 the guy that's getting mauled in addition to getting mauled 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:58.120 winds up getting shot. That does happen because people get 1:30:58.240 --> 1:31:03.800 panicky and they're not trained up in that kind of 1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:08.720 handgun use. Yeah, there's there's statistics, and they just did 1:31:08.800 --> 1:31:11.400 this big metas. They just did this big like meta 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:14.680 analysis of all these bear encounters over the years and 1:31:14.800 --> 1:31:17.000 what happened and who did what and what the what, 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:20.160 and people hate to hear it because people want to 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:23.000 think that, like people want to think the handguns are 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:26.400 the answer to everything. Right, So when they did this 1:31:26.680 --> 1:31:29.799 thing and they come out and say, like, statistically, pepper 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:32.680 spray is better, people get pissed because they act like 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:35.680 you're like, people get pissed because they act like this 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:40.240 finding is somehow meant to be an attack on guns. Yeah, 1:31:41.080 --> 1:31:44.920 so people can't even like hear it clearly, right. But 1:31:45.280 --> 1:31:48.800 they're both imperfect. They're both imperfect. I don't know that 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:52.240 the answer is to have both with me, but they're 1:31:52.280 --> 1:31:59.799 both imperfect. Yeah, And speaking of I think being smart, 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:04.200 trying in addition to everything else, trying to be very 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:09.880 aware of your surroundings and also knowing how to behave 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:15.280 in the initial moments of a bear encounter are very important, 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:20.120 Like before it comes, before it's where you're shooting spray 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:23.960 at them, before it's when you're shooting guns at him 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:31.320 and whatnot. There's like ways to behave in that initial moment, right, Yeah, 1:32:31.439 --> 1:32:34.600 And we have a lot of luck. You know, we 1:32:34.720 --> 1:32:37.120 got false charged by a grizzly, but we have a lot, 1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.760 we run a lot of bears off. I think, yeah, 1:32:41.560 --> 1:32:44.560 just like being aware of the landscape that you're in, 1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:48.599 and I think those tight close quarters sometimes of like timber. 1:32:49.360 --> 1:32:51.320 You know, like if you're near a grizzly barrier or 1:32:51.360 --> 1:32:55.040 something you know about to happen, like give the bear 1:32:55.280 --> 1:32:59.960 space to move around you, right, Like, don't get caught 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.400 in that spot where especially if you knew knew the 1:33:02.479 --> 1:33:06.400 bear was there, that you're in like confined quarters, you know, 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:09.360 with it, like obviously you can just walk through the 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:11.639 direction if you see one a couple hundred yards away, 1:33:11.760 --> 1:33:14.559 you know, create space. If you create space, if it's 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:18.560 far away, if it's up close, create space. But not 1:33:18.720 --> 1:33:22.160 like a retreat. It's like the thing like the minute before. 1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:26.639 Things are too tight to establish a very commanding presence. Yes, 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:33.760 a loud, big, tall, confident. If there's two guys, they're 1:33:33.800 --> 1:33:38.240 standing close together, establishing a very commanding presence. You do 1:33:38.560 --> 1:33:41.240 not want to come here. I'm not coming at you. 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:44.880 Like the human is not going at the bear like 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:48.320 he's gonna go wrastle him. The human is not running 1:33:48.360 --> 1:33:51.360 away from the bear like it's a wounded elk running 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:53.840 off through the woods, but the human is being like 1:33:54.479 --> 1:33:59.680 I am here, I do not intend on moving right. Um, 1:34:01.000 --> 1:34:03.960 but it's also different, man. And then you talk to 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:07.200 people that do get scratched, and uh, sometimes it happens. 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:11.000 There's no time to think. It's not like they like 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:13.200 tried this and tried that, which just all of a 1:34:13.200 --> 1:34:17.320 sudden's a bear chewing on them. Yeah. Um, but yeah, 1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:19.200 so you got your bear spray and you're shooting iron 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:28.479 and your bow and arrow and your GPS. I'm still 1:34:28.520 --> 1:34:30.280 gonna carry it. I know that now we can all 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:34.200 have our maps downloaded on our phones. I don't like 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.040 the battery life on phone though. Yeah, that's the problem 1:34:37.120 --> 1:34:38.960 with it. You know, if I had this, if I 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:40.920 was able just to pop in a couple of fresh 1:34:40.960 --> 1:34:44.320 batteries into my phone and again, I'll have a goal 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.559 zero charger which has two charges, and I know if 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:50.040 I run it in the airplane mode, I can get 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:52.599 multiple days out of it. But I just don't trust 1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:54.280 it yet. I like being able to take a couple 1:34:54.280 --> 1:34:56.880 of lithium double a's and told my GPS and have 1:34:57.000 --> 1:35:02.599 that thing on for forty eight hours if I want, uh, 1:35:02.840 --> 1:35:05.720 you do use a paper map. Yeah, and again that's 1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:10.040 a redundancy. But you know, again the GPS could go down, 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:12.200 you could lose it, and it's you know, to sit 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:14.760 and plot with someone else. Yeah, and just look at 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:16.880 a big picture. Yeah, it does help you get up. 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:18.760 It helps you, like spatially, even though you can go 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:21.400 look at everything on a GPS, it's like spatially, it's 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:24.920 sometimes nice to get a big picture view of where 1:35:24.960 --> 1:35:28.120 you're at. Yeah. And you know, if I was hunting, um, 1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:31.759 like an area that i'd been hunting for five years 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:34.760 and just like a general zone that where I had 1:35:34.840 --> 1:35:38.880 walked you know, almost every trail or over every knob 1:35:39.280 --> 1:35:42.360 and just knew it, I wouldn't need a map, you know, 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:44.920 maybe wouldn't even carry GPS. No, there's yeah, there's a 1:35:44.920 --> 1:35:46.960 lot of situations where I wouldn't be hunting, like large 1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:48.960 new areas. I always like to have a paper map 1:35:49.600 --> 1:35:51.360 were the main place I think I'm gonna be hunting, 1:35:51.439 --> 1:35:54.680 I haven't built as the center of the map. Um, 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:59.639 wet wipes, but no TP just wet wipes. And actually 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:02.679 what I lies on this, that's wrong. Okay, you can't 1:36:02.720 --> 1:36:05.000 burn them, No, I know, I know you don't like that, 1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:11.800 but I bury him properly. And then you bring you 1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:16.559 bring a butt pad, like a sitting patch, sitting pad. Yeah, 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:20.479 keep my butt dry, um. And I think it's multi use. 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:22.519 You know, you could use it to put you know, 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:25.280 food or you know, work some gear out on and 1:36:25.640 --> 1:36:27.439 you know underneath the tarp. It's nice to have like 1:36:27.520 --> 1:36:31.640 a second place. It's off the ground. Um. And if 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:34.479 we're taking a nap, you know you could it's like 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:36.640 it's a little extra cushion in the woods. If you're 1:36:36.800 --> 1:36:38.679 inter rock. Now, I carry one off. I just wouldn't 1:36:38.680 --> 1:36:40.439 carry one on that trip. If I was doing a 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:43.880 glassing intensive trip, i'd like to carry it. Then it 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:46.040 depends on the ground. I just had one up from 1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:48.040 the tunder and I never used it because the tongs 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:51.639 are so comfortable to sit on. But it was dry, right, 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:54.280 So yeah, I do, Yeah, I do like butt pads. 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:57.559 I like that little outdoorsman's back, that little outdoorsman's butt pad. 1:36:57.560 --> 1:36:59.040 And I got just the place on my pack where 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:01.320 I can kind of wedge it in perfectly. So you 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:05.080 got your hunting license. That's smart. Um. Smoking a bottle. 1:37:05.080 --> 1:37:07.519 We already talked about that wind detector you are bringing 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:09.800 your phone just for snapping pictures. You get a signal 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:11.920 on top of mountain. You can check in and see 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:18.040 how the kids are doing. You gotta recharger. Um how 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:19.800 many charges can you get off on your phone off 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:26.600 that charger too? So personal hygiene many toothpaste, toothbrush with 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:28.479 the handcut off, which I think is something people do. 1:37:28.600 --> 1:37:35.240 It's silly, but okay, Uh, extra contact lenses and then 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:39.880 a little thing of bond or salt. That pepperminty bond 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:42.800 or salt. Dude is a Yeah. When you're getting like 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:45.320 itchy head and stuff after four or five days, that 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:49.439 stuff resets the clock. Yep. Yeah, And you could use it, 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:52.720 you know, or if you had like a major you know, 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:55.519 like a butchering session, you know, and you're just like 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.360 up to your elbows and blood and you just want 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:01.080 to clean up. Um. Yeah, And it's like it's a 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:05.360 little bitty um it's like a one one use Like 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:07.920 it's like I don't know, it's like cardboard, but the 1:38:08.040 --> 1:38:12.320 insides line somehow. It probably has I don't know, close 1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:14.439 to a tablespoon is soap in it, which for dr 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:18.479 Bees is a lot. Man. You hit. Uh, you hit 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:22.000 the nether parts and uh, and you're nogging in a 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:24.280 little creek wash. You came away feeling like you've been 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:27.160 back home for a couple of days. I love that stuff. 1:38:27.600 --> 1:38:29.840 So then then in your outdoor research a little back 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:35.400 country organized er, you got a minimal first aid kit. Yep. 1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:39.680 My general first aid kit is uh, like I mean, 1:38:39.800 --> 1:38:45.240 general first aid kit is triple antibiotic ointment, handful of 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:48.880 band aids, gauze, and med tape. Yeah, there's only so 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:51.840 much you're gonna be able to do, you know. I 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:54.519 do have like a big rap um in there, and 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:57.880 I have some of this stuff called combat gauze where 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:00.960 god we're saying someone did take a shot wound or 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:04.000 a broad head you know, you know cross the armor 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:07.719 like we basically have just like a major, major open wound. 1:39:08.439 --> 1:39:11.479 It's a um gauze that you wrap or or you 1:39:11.560 --> 1:39:13.400 know you or that you put on the wound and 1:39:13.479 --> 1:39:16.400 then wrap you know, your bandage around it. But the 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:19.000 gauze itself has a clouding agent in it. Yeah. I 1:39:19.120 --> 1:39:22.000 used to carry the packets. Yeah, of the clouding agent 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:24.600 stuff with that stuff expires pretty quickly, Like you'll have 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:28.200 your pack for you then realize it's all crystallized to one. 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:30.360 If you carry it, you gotta keep up on it. 1:39:30.439 --> 1:39:33.719 But yeah, if you had like a major blood incident, 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:36.560 it's good to have. But if you're gonna do it, 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:38.960 make sure that it's that you're renewing it all the 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:41.880 time because they do go bad. Um sometimes I have 1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:46.240 to carry with me just depends is um depending on 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:51.439 where I'm at, uh EpiPen panophlactic shock just because of 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:55.080 certain insects and stuff. Good thing to mention, I think 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:57.960 there's like the small drugs in that first aid kit 1:39:58.160 --> 1:39:59.880 or what could really help you and keep you out 1:39:59.920 --> 1:40:01.760 to or longer. Like you the other day gave me 1:40:01.880 --> 1:40:03.800 I had like I started to get a sour belly 1:40:03.920 --> 1:40:06.000 when we're on Prince of Wales and you gave me 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:09.720 an emodium a D and one pill cured me. That's 1:40:09.720 --> 1:40:12.439 all it took. Yeah, I carry and for and I 1:40:12.960 --> 1:40:16.439 just buy boxes of the little single serves because they've 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:19.160 got a good protective coating on them. I carry a 1:40:19.240 --> 1:40:24.200 handful of ibuprofen packs, just little single serving things. There's 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:28.240 a pocket my organized your wedgement, a couple packs idprofen, 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:32.240 a couple of packs of Thailand all an emodium a 1:40:32.439 --> 1:40:37.680 D type thing, and then a anihissed A means a 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:40.240 good one type thing. And then I carry in my 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:42.479 kid too. I was talking about in my little medicate 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:43.960 and my medicate, like I said, it's the size of 1:40:44.080 --> 1:40:47.479 like it's smaller than a much smaller than a wallet, 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:50.040 a couple of band aids, a couple of gauze strips, 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:52.920 a really small thing of med tape, but also carry 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:56.920 a handful of alcohol swabs to clean out cuts. And 1:40:56.960 --> 1:40:58.559 again it's like it's like nothing, you know what I mean. 1:40:58.640 --> 1:41:00.360 It was like sounds like a lot. Add it up. 1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:01.880 You put it all together just like a little it's 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:04.400 like a little teeny plastic envelope. And this whole thing 1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:08.519 fits into an organizer. That's I mean, how big is 1:41:08.560 --> 1:41:14.040 the organized like a sandwich? Yeah, there's sandwich mine. Actually 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:18.120 if you if you, if I overload it with things like, um, 1:41:18.720 --> 1:41:20.920 it won't be for this hunt, but let's just say 1:41:21.000 --> 1:41:25.080 for another hunt and put in like a choke wrench, 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:29.519 and then the the boar snake for cleaning out a 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:31.479 you know gun. If you have any channel in the 1:41:31.560 --> 1:41:34.680 mud or something, it can get over a pound like 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:36.960 it can have to have some weight to it. But 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:39.559 for this hunt, it will be roughly around a pound, 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:42.639 you know. Um. But yeah, on top of the first 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:46.479 aid kit, there'll be uh the emergency survival kit which 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:54.160 you know firestarter um in there. Um I have and 1:41:54.200 --> 1:41:56.679 I'm running the h I have two fire starts. Actually, 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:58.960 I do have some cotton balls of asilene, and then 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:02.240 I also have these little just one these they're called 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:07.400 Esbet fuel cubes, and you like, the guys will steal those. Yeah, 1:42:07.479 --> 1:42:09.120 so you gotta be careful if it's your main kid 1:42:09.240 --> 1:42:13.720 that ever goes everywhere with you, careful because they don't 1:42:13.720 --> 1:42:15.920 like them. Yeah, but that thing burns I think like 1:42:16.040 --> 1:42:18.280 twelve or fifteen minutes, Like it goes. It's supposed to 1:42:18.280 --> 1:42:20.880 be using like a cooking system, but it's a little 1:42:20.960 --> 1:42:23.320 cube and you just sit there and like I forget 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:25.760 like the heat that it produced. It's a lot. But 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:30.080 like in a shitty wet you know, fire building situation, 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:32.680 you'd have like a flame that just basically sat there 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:35.040 for twelve minutes as you try to like build a 1:42:35.120 --> 1:42:36.800 fire around. Yeah. Yeah, I know they're nice to have. 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:38.759 My kid is like I take one of dirt myths 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:42.120 chew tins. And that's kind of dual purpose because I 1:42:42.200 --> 1:42:45.240 take cat cotton balls, rub vast lene to impact them 1:42:45.280 --> 1:42:46.719 in there, then put a couple of seed or knots 1:42:46.760 --> 1:42:48.840 in there, and that's my like fire kid. And you 1:42:48.880 --> 1:42:50.920 got like a little vast lane backup, and depending on 1:42:50.960 --> 1:42:52.680 where I'm at, I'll pull that thing in and out, 1:42:52.760 --> 1:42:56.240 depending just general conditions like if I'm you know, if 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:58.760 I'm hunting down in New Mexico, I'm probably not carrying them, 1:42:59.280 --> 1:43:02.240 right because the lighters all you need. Yeah, because you 1:43:02.280 --> 1:43:04.120 know you got you can be able to pull it 1:43:04.160 --> 1:43:06.120 together if you're in an area that's just like impossible. 1:43:07.200 --> 1:43:10.599 Southeast Alaska. I got a fire kit. Um. So it's 1:43:10.600 --> 1:43:11.719 just like, yeah, you got a lot of the stuff. 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:13.400 You just gotta make calls on all the time. Yeah. 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:15.080 I have like a little there's like a little super 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:20.000 mini compass in there. Um. I don't carry a big compass, 1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:22.720 just you know, in my pocket, so it's in there. Um. 1:43:23.479 --> 1:43:26.920 There's like a little lot of fishing line a hook, um. 1:43:29.200 --> 1:43:33.280 But again it's super super small. Um. But the other 1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:37.360 things in the backcountry organizer that like my spare lighters 1:43:37.400 --> 1:43:39.680 will be in there. The stuff called tenacious tape, which 1:43:39.720 --> 1:43:42.360 is basically a little piece of that. It's like uh 1:43:42.880 --> 1:43:47.439 reinforced nylon tape that. Um, it's like a patch for 1:43:47.600 --> 1:43:50.840 if you rip it like your outer shell or you know. Yeah, 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:53.080 I carry the back form where it's like basically it's 1:43:53.120 --> 1:43:56.840 like having a square of paper in your bag. It's 1:43:56.880 --> 1:43:59.760 just one patch. It's like a two inch circle that 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:01.840 tuck somewhere in my little kit and you can fix 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:04.679 stuff with it, and it's good to have. And again 1:44:04.840 --> 1:44:06.760 that's the kind of thing where depending what's going on, 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:10.120 you pull it in and out. Um, I do carry 1:44:10.120 --> 1:44:14.360 a little teeny baggy. You gotta hear extra batteries. It's 1:44:14.400 --> 1:44:16.880 good to like line your stuff up, line your gear 1:44:17.000 --> 1:44:19.719 up to that. It all is using the same stuff 1:44:20.320 --> 1:44:23.040 as much as you can. Yeah, unfortunately I don't have that. 1:44:23.160 --> 1:44:25.400 I got triple a's in my head lamp. I got 1:44:25.479 --> 1:44:29.120 double as in my GPS, and then the stery pen 1:44:29.280 --> 1:44:32.280 runs on the I think it's a CR one Yeah, 1:44:32.439 --> 1:44:36.200 so I use a CR one to three flashlight. And 1:44:36.280 --> 1:44:39.160 then I got my head lamp runs on the c 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:43.040 R one two three as well, So I'm sorry. My 1:44:43.240 --> 1:44:45.799 my head lamp and my sterry pen run the same battery, 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:47.360 and I used to try. I always try to bounce 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:49.040 around and get it right. You always bought it with 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:51.720 some outlier item that they don't make that way by 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:53.640 Jerry like to try to like duplicate up. So I 1:44:53.680 --> 1:44:55.439 got a couple of extra batteries with me that work 1:44:55.520 --> 1:45:00.519 for various different things. Um. Then you got orange flagging tape. Again, 1:45:00.760 --> 1:45:02.800 very small. You take like ten ft of that and 1:45:02.920 --> 1:45:04.360 roll up in the little ball. It's like the tip 1:45:04.439 --> 1:45:08.439 of your pinky finger. Great to have, especially hunting by yourself. 1:45:09.240 --> 1:45:14.759 You take a shot, hang that tape where you were standing, 1:45:15.920 --> 1:45:19.519 march over to where you know the animals standing, hang 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:22.599 a piece of tape. When you find first blood, mark 1:45:22.760 --> 1:45:25.519 that with the tape, and again it will be redundant 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:27.560 because now I pretty much do all of that with 1:45:27.760 --> 1:45:30.960 my GPS. But man, is it easier to look over 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:33.559 your shoulder and be like, oh, there's especially when you're 1:45:33.600 --> 1:45:35.479 like on a shitty blood shilling you're trying to figure 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:39.200 out like a general direction of travel possibly and you 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:41.840 can look back and say, oh, I can see kind 1:45:41.880 --> 1:45:45.160 of like a corridor that the elk could run through, 1:45:45.360 --> 1:45:47.240 you know from where I am. Now you know stuff 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:49.040 like that, Yeah, and if you're hunt, like like if 1:45:49.080 --> 1:45:50.960 you take if you take a three yard poke at 1:45:51.040 --> 1:45:54.920 something in rough cut ground, you like go running over there, 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:56.840 which shouldn't. Don't run over there, take your time figure 1:45:56.840 --> 1:45:58.639 out what's going on. But you go over there, can't 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:01.479 figure out what was happening where it was, and then 1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:03.519 you realize that you lost track of where you were 1:46:03.640 --> 1:46:10.479 standing or laying down. That's when trouble starts. Because when 1:46:10.560 --> 1:46:13.200 you mark your location with something to tape whatever you 1:46:13.280 --> 1:46:15.160 leave there ta I like tape, a lot, anything, a 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:18.120 piece of clothing, mark that spot because then when you 1:46:18.200 --> 1:46:19.360 go over there and you're like, I think it was 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:21.200 right here, but I can't find any hair, no blood, 1:46:21.240 --> 1:46:23.439 no nothing, And then you're like where where where was 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:26.040 that Again? If you mark it, you'll go back there 1:46:26.080 --> 1:46:28.040 and you'll look and you'll remember it was right there. 1:46:28.200 --> 1:46:32.240 You need, like you have to plan on worst case 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:35.680 scenario when it comes to reconstructing something. If you've got 1:46:35.760 --> 1:46:37.519 two guys is great because one guy stays putting, one 1:46:37.560 --> 1:46:39.280 guy goes over there, and the guy that stays putting 1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:41.000 direct you right to where that thing was. If you 1:46:41.040 --> 1:46:45.320 buy yourself, you gotta have a plan. Um. Then you 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:50.320 got we already talked about a backup head lamp, and 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:54.560 you can't A little minithing is super clue. Yeah, I 1:46:54.600 --> 1:46:56.320 just feel like that should be leaking everywhere, making my 1:46:56.320 --> 1:46:58.519 stuff all gluey. No, it's like a you know, it's 1:46:58.520 --> 1:47:02.280 always a brand new one, this unopened um and it's 1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:05.040 like a little mini deal. It's it says one time 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:07.280 you used but I mean like there's nothing there where 1:47:07.280 --> 1:47:10.400 you could use it a few times. But UM cuts man, 1:47:11.200 --> 1:47:13.120 or even like you know, when you're working with blood 1:47:13.160 --> 1:47:15.639 a lot, your hands dry out and I'll get these 1:47:15.720 --> 1:47:18.280 just wicked cuts that will not heal and I'll just 1:47:18.680 --> 1:47:22.880 clean it out and super glue like cut. I've never 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:25.120 tried it by no people made it works. Yeah, it 1:47:25.240 --> 1:47:28.080 works great. Alright. So run down, run down like your 1:47:28.120 --> 1:47:32.519 food for like bad country hunting. Yeah, super basic. UM 1:47:33.200 --> 1:47:36.760 breakfast is gonna be Uh. This is this new uh 1:47:37.040 --> 1:47:40.840 instant oman we found called Umquats and it's like a 1:47:41.040 --> 1:47:45.280 hundred times better than the Quaker stuff. Yeah, it's like 1:47:45.400 --> 1:47:49.120 not like all nasty sugary crap. Yeah this Yeah, the 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:52.560 Quaker is like eating like a freaking candy bar or 1:47:52.880 --> 1:47:55.400 maybe even worse for breakfast. And it's just I always 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:57.599 feel like with Quaker, it's like thirty minutes later, I'm like, oh, 1:47:57.640 --> 1:48:00.280 I'm hungry. You should eat a bar. These unquote oats 1:48:00.720 --> 1:48:02.519 or legita. You can get ones that have like a 1:48:02.640 --> 1:48:05.160 mix with like keen one other grains and stuff in them, 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:09.599 but like a skeptical that first, but it's very good man. Um. 1:48:10.080 --> 1:48:12.400 But sometimes I'll have a bar in there too, or 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:14.800 I'll have a bar soon on, you know, in the morning, 1:48:14.920 --> 1:48:20.320 and then the Starbucks via coffee um launch and snacks 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:26.439 pro bars and snickers for for the Starbucks via coffee, 1:48:26.560 --> 1:48:28.479 I was like, carry little non dairy cream or two 1:48:28.840 --> 1:48:31.120 this kind of guy I am. Man, Yeah, yeah, like 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:36.200 your coffee white UM Launch. So I'm not doing any 1:48:36.280 --> 1:48:38.320 kind of sandwiches. I'm gonna have like a sandwich for 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:40.840 day one. It's gonna be like heavy and packed in, 1:48:41.000 --> 1:48:44.000 but no real sandwich is gonna be Launch is gonna 1:48:44.040 --> 1:48:48.000 be very snacky. Um. So I'll have like a little 1:48:48.000 --> 1:48:51.519 bit of slammy, some cheese, maybe like a banana and 1:48:51.560 --> 1:48:54.000 a baguette for the first day because it's something that's 1:48:54.040 --> 1:48:55.840 gonna be eating the first day and we'll be gone 1:48:56.040 --> 1:49:01.960 after that. It's gonna be bars, jerky Um custom trail mix. 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:06.479 That's pretty much it. Yeah, I just got to survive 1:49:06.520 --> 1:49:08.240 on that and the Chicken Bully on cubes just for 1:49:08.320 --> 1:49:10.559 at night with hot water to drink, yeah, or yeah, 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:12.600 if it's cold and shitty mill a day, Yeah, you 1:49:12.680 --> 1:49:15.040 heat heat up some water, put a little Chicken Bully 1:49:15.120 --> 1:49:18.599 on cuban there and it's uh, yeah, it's very nice. 1:49:19.000 --> 1:49:20.680 And then for dinner you're going with the house, going 1:49:20.720 --> 1:49:22.000 to the house, and then a should chase that with 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:25.960 a candy bar. And then uh, I've been having a 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:28.519 lot of cramps recently, and so I've been Uh I 1:49:28.600 --> 1:49:31.320 got this stuff called Noon Electro Lights. There's coming like 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:34.719 a handy little vial. I think there's ten or twelve 1:49:34.880 --> 1:49:36.760 of the deals in there. So I'm gonna try to 1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:39.640 drink one of these electro light tablets every day. He 1:49:39.720 --> 1:49:41.439 dissolve in the water and you know, it gives your 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:44.519 water a little flavor to which is nice. But try 1:49:44.560 --> 1:49:46.840 to keep my cramps down in my calves. And then 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:51.720 a stick of salted butter. I'm packing that extra calories. Man, 1:49:51.800 --> 1:49:56.320 there's like a few things that have more calories. But yeah, 1:49:57.120 --> 1:49:59.680 and then also this time here you find a lot 1:49:59.720 --> 1:50:02.040 of eats. And it's nice to have a little butter 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:05.639 because you find you find like legit clean bleats out there, 1:50:05.680 --> 1:50:10.160 you know, one of the better mushrooms out Um. Then 1:50:10.160 --> 1:50:12.360 you got your first day food. It was just your 1:50:12.400 --> 1:50:15.280 heavy jump just start out right. Yeah, so you know, yeah, 1:50:15.360 --> 1:50:17.720 it's like a it's like a heavier load. And I 1:50:17.800 --> 1:50:20.880 think you're roughly looking at to two pounds of food 1:50:21.400 --> 1:50:24.519 a day to get the calories that you need. Um, 1:50:25.439 --> 1:50:28.679 so yeah, I'll be looking at you know, fifteen pounds 1:50:28.720 --> 1:50:31.160 of food roughly. But yeah, that it's nice to have 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:34.360 like just normal food one more day until you just 1:50:34.479 --> 1:50:37.600 go into full on like barn mountain house mode, you know. 1:50:39.080 --> 1:50:40.800 And we don't. I had to get into the depth here, 1:50:40.840 --> 1:50:42.320 but I figured just because we were talking about all 1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:43.880 this stuff, we're gonna be caring. I'm gonna be carrying 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:46.160 in the woods. I know people are wondering, right what 1:50:46.280 --> 1:50:50.160 I'm carrying for my bow and archery, you know, other 1:50:50.320 --> 1:50:54.200 archery equipment. And uh so it's a prime centergy bow, 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:59.720 um eastern full metal jackets, very heavy. Total airrowweight for 1:50:59.840 --> 1:51:04.280 me is like five thirty five um grains, which is 1:51:04.800 --> 1:51:06.439 you know, well over a hundred grains heavy than a 1:51:06.479 --> 1:51:12.200 lot of people shoot grains. Slick trick? What's that? The 1:51:12.240 --> 1:51:16.439 slick trick? It's just a it's similar to like the muzzy, 1:51:17.920 --> 1:51:19.960 which which muzzy is that? But it's basically like a 1:51:22.479 --> 1:51:25.240 imagine a field point with a sharp actually a sharp 1:51:25.479 --> 1:51:27.920 like chiseled point on it, and then it's got uh 1:51:28.479 --> 1:51:32.479 slots cut through it, and so you put a blade 1:51:32.520 --> 1:51:36.679 through it this way, you know, and then another blade 1:51:36.920 --> 1:51:40.120 crosses it like there's a slot in the yourself. Yeah, 1:51:40.600 --> 1:51:42.880 which is nice because it's got replaceable blades. So if 1:51:42.920 --> 1:51:44.720 I have so, I can carry like two sets of 1:51:44.760 --> 1:51:47.200 replaceable blades, which I will, and so in case that 1:51:47.439 --> 1:51:50.080 it's a four bladed, yeah, it's a four bladed fixed 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:55.120 four bladed and um yeah, super super sharp and that's 1:51:55.160 --> 1:51:56.720 a nice thing I like about. And I happened to 1:51:56.760 --> 1:51:59.320 missing elk and you know, shot one into the dirt. 1:52:00.080 --> 1:52:03.280 I could just take out those two blades, replace it 1:52:03.360 --> 1:52:07.160 with two freshies, and I've got it, you know, super yeah, 1:52:07.400 --> 1:52:09.280 ready to go. And then he got your release. Yeah, 1:52:09.600 --> 1:52:13.840 so I think it's called the Eaty Beattie Goose Scott Release. 1:52:13.920 --> 1:52:16.519 It's old. It's you guys, used to have those, and 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:19.280 not I got were spot hogs, but I used to 1:52:19.320 --> 1:52:21.400 have that. I used to use that Scott release all time. 1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:26.760 All right, that's Yanni's backpack. Man. Is that exciting? It is? Man, 1:52:26.920 --> 1:52:30.519 he's going on a hunting trip, hunting trip without Steve. 1:52:30.920 --> 1:52:34.639 He I didn't even I didn't even invite Steve. That's 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:37.360 because I know his schedule. I look at steve calendar 1:52:37.439 --> 1:52:39.679 every day, so I know that couldn't invite him anyway. 1:52:39.760 --> 1:52:42.600 To bring it full circle, I feel as Uh is 1:52:42.800 --> 1:52:45.240 jealous as one of my kids went fishing with another man. 1:52:46.800 --> 1:52:48.000 All Right, man, thanks tuning in