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Speaker 1: Welcome to Point Game with John Wall and CJ Toldonnald

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Speaker 1: presented by DraftKings. Don't forget DraftKings is your home for

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Speaker 1: all the action across the NBA and gets it closer

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Speaker 1: to the game we all love. The crown is yours.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's episode, we got three time NBA champion,

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Speaker 1: current Celtics sistant coach, and one of John's firs assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches in the league. We got Sam Cassell joining Point

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Speaker 1: Game now without further ado, I want to bring on

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Speaker 1: my co host, the one and only John Wall. John,

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Speaker 1: how you feeling, man?

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Speaker 2: It was good, bro. I'm good man, just chilling watching

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Speaker 2: a lot of playoff basketball. That's really all going on

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Speaker 2: on my side.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I know schedules are crazy, so we're literally recording

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Speaker 1: in the midst of the Knicks game, so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: We told our producers chiming if anything crazy is going on.

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Speaker 1: But it's a closer in between the Knicks and Sixers

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Speaker 1: right now. But we want to get on the mic

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Speaker 1: here and we wanted to talk about the first games

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Speaker 1: from round one. John, basketball is starting to really mean

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Speaker 1: something right now. What were some of your reactions from

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Speaker 1: the first games. And I know that some people say

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Speaker 1: they're overreactions, but I would love to see you know

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Speaker 1: what you're what you're thinking after watching those first games.

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Speaker 2: I think it's been some good basketball. There's been a

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Speaker 2: lot of blowouts too. Yeah, I mean seeing teams down twenty,

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Speaker 2: down thirty. You wouldn't expect there early on, but then

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Speaker 2: teams are fighting back, and you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: the first game is always like a fill out game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean you never know what coverages team's

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Speaker 2: gonna do. Like I said before, role players play well

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Speaker 2: at home. So your main projective is try to take

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Speaker 2: the stars away see what their role players does. And

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Speaker 2: so far, early on, the role players have been doing

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Speaker 2: their job and playing well. You're seeing guys put up

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Speaker 2: some big numbers, I mean playing at a high level.

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Speaker 2: You see what Dames did other night. He had thirty

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Speaker 2: five the first half, so that betactical. I was a

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Speaker 2: little mad he did and scored them more than the

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Speaker 2: second half. I thought he was going for fifty. But

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Speaker 2: they got to win. They got to win, so that's

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Speaker 2: all that matters. But like, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: good basketball going on and I'm excited to see the

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Speaker 2: end of this next game, and then definitely the Lakers

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Speaker 2: Nuggets next.

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Speaker 1: What's uh?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: What series are you watching the most or most excited for?

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Speaker 1: Like you're like, I can't miss that.

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Speaker 3: Right now? I will say the Lakers and Nuggets. Really yeah,

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Speaker 3: well what's been.

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Speaker 2: Interesting would have been I think that he would have

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Speaker 2: been my series, But you know, Jimmy's not healthy, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, and Terrogre has not been there,

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Speaker 2: so they're not a full healthy team, right so, you know,

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Speaker 2: like they always been that team that's underdog, that they're

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Speaker 2: always gonna play hard, they always got the identity always

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Speaker 2: gonna be in a fight, and I think I feel

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Speaker 2: like they just losing Jimmy they best played in losing

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Speaker 2: Terry A is a guy that can score the ball

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Speaker 2: and help them defentially, I kind of hurts them, but

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Speaker 2: you know they're gonna make adjustments and try to make

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Speaker 2: it a better game the next time around. But I

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Speaker 2: think that would be the series I'd be into. And

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Speaker 2: my other series I'm really locked into is the Lakers

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Speaker 2: Clippers in the Math. You know, I'm definitely locked into

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Speaker 2: in too, But right now it's the Clippers, MAVs and

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Speaker 2: Lakers Nuggets. You know, I mean, just because Bron has

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Speaker 2: including last year's playoffs and then this year regular season,

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Speaker 2: and it just seemed like they have their number, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean those guys like Ady had a hell of

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you with the Lakers and Nuggets series? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you look at the numbers with the eighty and Lebron

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Speaker 1: and they're doing their thing. Do you think that Delo

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Speaker 1: really is an X factor? Like if he hits those threes,

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Speaker 2: Well, last game they have the last game, they have

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Speaker 2: full control to the third quarter. Yeah, they have full

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean the Nuggets win those teams. That's

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Speaker 2: a great third quarter team. And I mean, that's what

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Speaker 2: it is about those teams. They feel like they never

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Speaker 2: they're a great third quarter team. I think they role

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Speaker 2: see where they stand if they can steal one tonight.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I think the Nuggets feel comfortable that

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Speaker 2: they have one in LA the last what a couple

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they feel comfortable.

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Speaker 2: So I mean the job for the Legacy is is

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Speaker 2: not home court for them, but they got to get

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Speaker 2: the job try to steal a win. And the same

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Speaker 2: thing if the Nuggets go up to Oh, They're gonna

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Speaker 2: want try to steal win those games in La if

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Speaker 2: not both.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about Dame before too. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were saying, just based on the regular

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Speaker 1: season record or series between the two, that the Pacers

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Speaker 1: and Bucks was gonna be in the favor of the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: especially since Yann is out. But like you said, I

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Speaker 1: know you're close with Dame. Can you talk a little

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Speaker 1: With Dame by himself and going off and getting that

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Speaker 3: Just think of Dame in Portland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to Dame in Portland mode and like

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Speaker 2: he said early, like I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: like he said, it's a different year for him because

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Speaker 2: he's used to being at home with his family, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, going through divorcee used to be

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Speaker 2: That's a different adjustment. Also been on a new team,

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Speaker 2: like that's a new adjustment, new coach, So that's all

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Speaker 2: a big factor, you know what I mean. Like people

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Speaker 2: don't understand, like we're still humans. So outside of just

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Speaker 2: outside that to raise his kids and usually being with

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So he probably feel a way about it,

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Speaker 2: and that's kind of trickling on him and listening to

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Speaker 2: the news about that. But when it come to playoff time,

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Speaker 2: and everybody know what Dame could do, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like he said, the last two years, I

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Speaker 2: think he'd been out the playoffs and I think last

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Speaker 3: But I mean, we all know who Damian Lily is.

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Speaker 2: How great especially is when it's crunch time, when it's

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Speaker 3: He lived for it.

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Speaker 2: He's probably wanted to, if not the best, one of

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Speaker 2: the best clutch players in the league right now, and

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Speaker 2: has done that since his rookie year. So when you

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Speaker 2: get dangned by itself, you get danged with a lot

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Speaker 2: of picking rolls, you get dang with the basketball kind

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Speaker 2: of like he was in his Portland role. It's a

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Speaker 2: they all trying to figure that void out and also

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Speaker 2: getting Chris Middleton back. He used to be in the

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Speaker 2: second guy on they team, So trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: the mess that together with him missing time this year

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Speaker 2: and then guys like Bobby portg you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I feel like he should be the sixth man of

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Speaker 2: the year. Oh the way he's been playing, and he

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Speaker 2: stepped up and played a big role for them in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're quiteting a lot of people with that. I

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Speaker 1: do love what you said, Like we do it on

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Speaker 1: the show a lot to remind people that players are humans,

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Speaker 1: and Dame had to come out and be like, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: my situation here is great, but I got some personal

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Speaker 1: stuff I'm going through. So it was just it was

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Speaker 1: sick to watch him kind of just go off and

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Speaker 1: be like, I'm Dame Lillard, you know, and this is

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'm here and I'm gonna I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: what I do. So that was fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he bumped his chest.

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Speaker 2: I think after he hit the three at the end

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Speaker 2: of the first he brought the chests and said, that's

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Speaker 2: why y'all brought me here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like getting messed up, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have sluggers in the game, got the

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Speaker 2: other personal problems I have to go through, but I'm

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Speaker 2: willing to get my all when I step between these lines,

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Speaker 2: and I'm here to compete and try to win a championship.

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Speaker 2: I think that's his mindset. Everybody knows that, and like

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Speaker 2: you said, he don't have nothing to prove to nobody outside.

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Speaker 2: As long as those fourteen other guys in the locker room,

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Speaker 2: that coaching staff believe in them, that's all you asked

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Speaker 2: for it because that's your team, that's your family. When

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Speaker 2: you're playing the outside noise, it's just people want to

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Speaker 2: stirve the pot and get whatever they can out of it.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any any sort of like rituals or

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Speaker 1: traditions that I think Lebron did, like, you know, no

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Speaker 1: social media during the playoff times. Did you have any

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, traditions that you went through when

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Speaker 1: it can't playoff time?

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Speaker 2: Nah, I just stick to what I was doing. I

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Speaker 2: din't really changed nothing for Yeah, I just I mean,

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Speaker 2: that moment is different, though, Man, playing the playoffs is different.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: You could just feel the energy for me, just watching

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Speaker 2: that hom you could just feel that electricity in the building,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I remember when I

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Speaker 2: went to the finals a couple of years ago with

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Speaker 2: like the atmosphere different. Had a Game seven there, So

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Speaker 2: I definitely know how I feel. But the Finals is

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Speaker 2: a whole other level when everybody spotlight is on them

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Speaker 2: two teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, a couple other series. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about the Sun's Timberwolves. I think you know

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Speaker 1: we've obviously seen the Timberwolves have an incredible regular season,

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Speaker 1: but getting that win kind of a blowout. Like we

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Speaker 1: had mentioned earlier in ANT, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: that team? What do you think about Ant? What do

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Speaker 1: you think is also going through Kd's mind? You know,

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Speaker 1: he put together this squad and they're getting blown out

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Speaker 1: in game one. What do you think is going on

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a different level.

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Speaker 2: I think ANT brings the old school mentality into the

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Speaker 3: So with the moves that have been made of the.

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Speaker 3: for sure.

437
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Speaker 2: And I just don't like you not getting a love

438
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Speaker 2: you guy, And not just because I like a fuck

439
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Speaker 2: with a d or he's a good Tuchy guy anything

440
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Speaker 2: like that, but just what he's been able to do,

441
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Speaker 2: the level he's been playing this year and being healthy.

442
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Speaker 2: But you know, you always hear every time you fall,

443
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Speaker 2: all my guys adi getting up. He's not getting up.

444
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Speaker 2: To get through that and keep competing, you got to enjoyed.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And like you said, with the other teams,

446
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Speaker 1: it's like the playoffs, it really is role players. They

447
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Speaker 1: step up, and like the Lakers got those role players

448
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Speaker 1: d Lo, Austin Reevez, ruy Ha Chamara, Like we won

449
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,399
Speaker 1: series off that last year, and so I think we

450
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Speaker 1: want to make a similar run of last year. We

451
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Speaker 1: got to be like, oh, man, Lonnie Walker game, you

452
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, who's our Lonnie Walker this year?

453
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Speaker 1: Who's our you know, Austin Reeves, we gave him that

454
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Speaker 1: nice deal. Like we got to see these guys step up.

455
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Speaker 1: So I'm excited, you know for four games. If they

456
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Speaker 1: get tonight, I think my excitement definitely gets reignited.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like in this game right there, man, Like

458
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 2: the role players are playing well for them, Jalen Brunson

459
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,119
Speaker 2: not even in the game, and they take their lead

460
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Speaker 2: up to eight, you know what I mean, Like Mbroad

461
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,520
Speaker 2: just hit a big mid range jumper before and one,

462
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Speaker 2: so they playing well. So when he can get a

463
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Speaker 2: little bit of rest, that gives him my opportunity to

464
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Speaker 2: close the game out, which you really don't want to

465
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Speaker 2: see because he's one of those spectacular guys.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to bring up bad memories, but it's

467
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Speaker 1: like when you guys played Missoula in the tournament. It's

468
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Speaker 1: like you scout, you scout, you watch all games, but

469
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Speaker 1: that's when these guys who aren't heavily scouted are not

470
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Speaker 1: necessarily like dominate games. That's when they step up and

471
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Speaker 1: they win series. They win games.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, Like we scouted Missoula and we knew

473
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Speaker 2: what he could do, but he wasn't really a great

474
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Speaker 2: three point shoot in college, you know what I mean.

475
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Speaker 2: So we laid off and went on these screens, and

476
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,439
Speaker 2: he played well even in transition, go offs, rebounds, defensive rebounds.

477
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Speaker 2: He's pushing the pace like it was more so a

478
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Speaker 2: half court team. I mean, so we're preparing for the

479
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Speaker 2: half courses.

480
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Speaker 3: They pushing the pace. They doing that, They doing this,

481
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Speaker 3: So they did a hell of a job.

482
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Speaker 2: So you like basically what you say the player that

483
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Speaker 2: you you don't never disrespect nobody because they are who

484
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Speaker 2: they are. They play college for a reason, because they're talented.

485
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Speaker 2: It's like i'd always tell people to fifteen play on

486
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Speaker 2: the bench. He can play in the NBA. He just

487
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Speaker 2: might not five minutes, but he can play. You're not

488
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Speaker 2: here for no reason, you know what I mean. There's

489
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Speaker 2: only been like five thousand big guys in the history

490
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Speaker 2: of basketball, So they ain't just giving our spots when

491
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Speaker 2: somebody that ain't really can play basketball, Like he might

492
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Speaker 2: not get a lot of minutes in the league, but

493
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Speaker 2: outsiders won't beat them one on one. I can tell

494
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Speaker 2: you that nine times out ten. But you just got

495
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Speaker 2: to be prepared to, like, you know, anybody know your scout.

496
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Speaker 1: That's right, all right. We're gonna talk more playoff talk

497
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Speaker 1: at the end of the show, but I want to

498
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Speaker 1: wrap this segment because after the break, we're going to

499
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Speaker 1: bring on one of your old assistant coaches and the

500
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Speaker 1: current assistant coach of the number one team in the

501
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Speaker 1: league right now of the Boston Celtics. Sam Cassell is

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Speaker 1: joining us on Point Game. We'll be back after the

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Speaker 1: break that, sir, Welcome back to Point Game with John

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Speaker 1: Wall and CG. Told Donald, presented by DraftKings. We are

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Speaker 1: now honored to be joined by our guest, three time

506
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Speaker 1: NBA champion, the current assistant coach of the best team

507
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Speaker 1: in the NBA, currently the Boston Celtics. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: please welcome Sam casselta Point Game. Sam What up?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, Man, thanks for having me.

511
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Speaker 4: I got bequested to come on this show. Man my guy,

512
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Speaker 4: John Wall, I call it. He's like my son. He's

513
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Speaker 4: thank my oldest son. But when I got the bequest

514
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Speaker 4: to join the show, absolutely just find a time for

515
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Speaker 4: me and just get it done.

516
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Speaker 1: Love that. So yeah, I mean, you started your coaching career,

517
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Speaker 1: you want a championship with the Celtics, and you started

518
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Speaker 1: your coaching career pretty quickly. And then John came and

519
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Speaker 1: I think a year after your first year. So can

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Speaker 1: you talk to us a little bit about what was

521
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Speaker 1: your first reaction. I mean, I'm sure you saw John

522
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Speaker 1: in college, so your first reaction seeing him as a

523
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Speaker 1: player and then getting to coach him in those early years.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I talked to John. I think what

525
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Speaker 4: the day you got drafted? On the day after, I

526
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Speaker 4: think that they beore the draft. I think I talked

527
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Speaker 4: to him and I just told him, I said, man,

528
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Speaker 4: like he didn't realize what he was getting this up

529
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Speaker 4: involved with, because you know, I think John lost like

530
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Speaker 4: three games. He's three games college in college, and I'm

531
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Speaker 4: just thinking, and people don't understand.

532
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Speaker 5: I was like, well, he's gonna lose more than three games,

533
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Speaker 5: probably the first two weeks, in the first week of

534
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Speaker 5: the season, and I was thinking about the mental aspect,

535
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Speaker 5: his approach that he can take.

536
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Speaker 4: But he had so much on the show that he

537
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Speaker 4: was the savior of the organization, and it was a lot.

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Speaker 4: It was a lot for him. I think as time

539
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Speaker 4: and time went on in some days he got real,

540
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Speaker 4: real frustrated. And I was there, Man, this side is

541
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Speaker 4: gonna be for a while to we get the team

542
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Speaker 4: that you need beside you. But once we get the

543
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Speaker 4: team you need beside you, you're gonna have an all

544
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Speaker 4: star career. And I told him the year we made

545
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Speaker 4: a playoff, I said, yoa, you can be an All Star

546
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Speaker 4: next year. It'll be all star because he understood what

547
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Speaker 4: it took to win the game of basketball as a

548
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Speaker 4: as a young guy in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's for sure. Twenty fourteen we did.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, OLG, like I think you've been out here,

551
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Speaker 2: but what you're doing for the game dominated the point.

552
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Speaker 2: Cro opposition talk about your way, your journey that you

553
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Speaker 2: took to get to the NBA, it was it was

554
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Speaker 2: a longer journey.

555
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Speaker 4: I went to junior college, then I went to Florida State.

556
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Speaker 4: Then I got drafted by the Houston Rockets. Iron I was.

557
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Speaker 4: That was the only team that really worked me out.

558
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Speaker 4: I had one workout. I had one workout, and some

559
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Speaker 4: guys right now they might have twenty workouts for each

560
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Speaker 4: team and probably each team in the NBA. But I

561
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Speaker 4: had one workout this for the Houston Rockets, and I

562
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Speaker 4: think we're the Tom Gentleman's was to coach at that

563
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Speaker 4: particular time, and I think he my toughness. You know,

564
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Speaker 4: I was fearless as a basketball player. As a young

565
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Speaker 4: basketball player, I didn't care if I missed him mate.

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Speaker 4: If I had the opportunity to make a play, I

567
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Speaker 4: was in make a play. And sometimes that the reticents

568
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 4: the wrong way. Sometimes bad. Completely confidence in myself and

569
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Speaker 4: maybe sometimes it was always the right decision, but it happens. Man.

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Speaker 4: I was never afraid, Like I just said, John, all

571
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Speaker 4: the time, Jo, they're gonna talk about you. If you

572
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Speaker 4: got thirty points, you got ten points, so hopefully let's

573
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Speaker 4: give him something positive to talk about. They can always

574
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Speaker 4: talk about you. So that was my posts when I

575
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Speaker 4: played the game of basketball. You know, some people like

576
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Speaker 4: my game. Some people didn't like my game, you know so, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you got I think you had a

578
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Speaker 2: great point right there. To like the game, you gotta

579
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Speaker 2: play it with confidence, you know what I mean. I

580
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Speaker 2: think that's one thing that you helped me with a

581
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Speaker 2: lot when I first came into the NBA, because you know, like, oh,

582
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Speaker 2: you don't shoot the ball where he does this, and

583
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Speaker 2: it's like, well damn if I missed this one, do

584
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Speaker 2: I take the next one?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

586
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Speaker 2: You always just kept saying if you're working on it,

587
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Speaker 2: believe in it. And that's why I said, like, the

588
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Speaker 2: confidence is a key thing, and a lot of young

589
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Speaker 2: guys don't really understand it. Like I said, I was

590
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Speaker 2: blessed to have you as am point to play. The

591
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Speaker 2: position was great at your position and knew how to

592
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Speaker 2: master the spots that I need to get to to

593
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Speaker 2: master my game to go to another level. So it

594
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Speaker 2: was great to have that commoderate in that relationship early on.

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Speaker 4: Like like I always told you, John, your whole thing

596
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 4: was like you so fast, and you might have got it.

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Speaker 4: This is crazy. I can still remember this. I'm the

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Speaker 4: only time he was playing. I know he was playing

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Speaker 4: a Cavalist and he was fourth quarters, like sevenths going

600
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Speaker 4: the game, and you were racing the ball up the

601
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Speaker 4: court and you told me it was a time off.

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Speaker 4: You came back to me and saying, hey, O g

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Speaker 4: you gotta get them to run with me now. I

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Speaker 4: looked at you. I said, they can't. We got control

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Speaker 4: your speed, I said, you just running up the down

606
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Speaker 4: the court like a mad man, and nobody's running with you.

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Speaker 4: I said, once I once we got that under control, John,

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Speaker 4: your speed, I said, once you figure out when to

609
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Speaker 4: go and not to go, when to change your speed

610
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Speaker 4: and direction, it was gonna be old for the league.

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Speaker 4: And once you mastered that aspect of the game, it

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Speaker 4: was fun coaching to get you and just fun watching

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Speaker 4: you play. Uh as a young kid get come to

614
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Speaker 4: this league. Being crowned the franchise ball player. You know,

615
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Speaker 4: that's a lot, that's a lot of pressure. You know,

616
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Speaker 4: a lot of guys don't get drafted that way anymore,

617
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Speaker 4: that you're going to be the franchise ball player. And

618
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Speaker 4: you know, you was drafted that way. And I thought,

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Speaker 4: you know, the team we had, and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 4: he's gonna go through a lot of losings before he's

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Speaker 4: do a lot of winning, you know, because I mean

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Speaker 4: just being having experience as a player and seeing and

623
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Speaker 4: knowing where to take the win in this league at

624
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Speaker 4: a high level. It was. It was crazy that the

625
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Speaker 4: teams you had, man, that he survived it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The next year we got brad and we added travel

628
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Speaker 4: reasoning them guys, and they and March Scow tied and

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Speaker 4: that's when I say, oh, we ready to roll now.

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Speaker 4: And I think Bradley Whipman was a great, a real

631
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Speaker 4: real good coach to you because he taught you, you know,

632
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Speaker 4: the discipline other game. You know, he didn't take his

633
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Speaker 4: foot off your throat. And this time you got mad Adams.

634
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Speaker 4: But it's better than for you, man, because once you

635
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 4: get the discipline as a point guy, because you are

636
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: stitching him on the basketball court and y'all, y'all bump

637
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Speaker 4: his a lot. But you know, I think that all

638
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: your coaches you had as a member of the Wizards,

639
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Speaker 4: I guarantee you that he was your best coach because

640
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Speaker 4: he gave you your best results.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he pushed me to a Yeah, outside

642
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: of you and him, I think they pushed me to

643
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Speaker 2: another level to where, like my mom always tells you, like,

644
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Speaker 2: I'll give it, damn take care of him, but I

645
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Speaker 2: don't give it damn to get mad.

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Speaker 3: You figured it out. Figure it out, Sam.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about you know, you came into

648
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Speaker 1: the to the NBA the early part of your career

649
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Speaker 1: in ninety four. You're part of obviously part of a

650
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Speaker 1: legendary team with a team, but you were you were young.

651
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Speaker 1: I'm referring to Game seven of nineteen ninety four against

652
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Speaker 1: the Sons when you took over. Can you talk about,

653
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, what do you remember about that that game,

654
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: those moments and what was going through your head and

655
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: maybe relate that back to, like, you know, the mentality

656
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: where you've had a kind of a unique path in

657
00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: your career.

658
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 4: I just thought at that time and it might be crazy.

659
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: But at that time, man, as a young player, I

660
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 4: just thought that I was the best player on the

661
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: basketball court. Even even though a Cameo Lodge one and

662
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: Charles Barker's on the court and Kevin Johnson all three

663
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 4: of them God was All Stars and Clyde Dregs, I

664
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 4: just thought I was the best player on the court,

665
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: especially I had the ball in my hand. So I

666
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: was just fearless, you know, and sometimes, you know, thinking

667
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: that way, I think allowed me to become a pretty

668
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: good ball player. I just knew that the King wasn't struggling,

669
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 4: but I knew that the the Phoenix Suns was you know,

670
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: keying on him. So I had opportunities go one on one,

671
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: and I just felt that no one on the Son's

672
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: team could stop me one on one. And I just

673
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: took advantage of that situation, you know, like really to

674
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: be starting saying about me, he said. One thing you

675
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 4: don't get with saying was even he's gonna be hot

676
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: or cold, there was no middle. There was no middle

677
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 4: with me. You would get one another, you know what

678
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But you knew the coach knew where he

679
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: stood at with me, you know, like Sam ain't doing nothing.

680
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: It was like Sam doing Sam doing great or Sam

681
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: doing too much right now, you know, So it was

682
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: even even that with that. So it was no misunderstan

683
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: misunderstanding with people I got got the game, especially younger

684
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: younger in my career. I'm just I'm just going. I

685
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 4: was going hard an the opportunity I got the showcase.

686
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: I only had like twenty four minutes. The most is

687
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 4: Kase Smith was the starting point guard, so I had

688
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: twenty four minutes to get all I can get before

689
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: he come back at the game.

690
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: So what like, what is your most valuable skills you

691
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: think took you took from being a basketball player to

692
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: come into being a coach. You know a lot of

693
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: people that's like a tough transition for some people.

694
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: It wasn't tough because the one thing I took from

695
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: playing and coaching, you know another like I wanted to

696
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: try to think like I thought the game. I always

697
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: tell you, I know Howard m in this situation. I

698
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: want to see what you know how to do in

699
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: this situation. So us the biggest thing I took from

700
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: playing and coaching a lot of formal players, like I

701
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: just did this. You know what I'm saying, but that's

702
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: not your that's John Wahall. I don't have to speed

703
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: John wallhad. I don't have athleticism John wallhad. Could I

704
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: shoot better than y'all? I have to shoot beat than

705
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: John John John improving shooting Yessie did where he can

706
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: take big shots. It's funny in your fourth year when

707
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 4: you start taking big shots and making them because God

708
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: was telling you you prepared. I prepared you to make

709
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: these kind of shots. You know. We was in the

710
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 4: gym constantly. Remember the over seven drug we used to

711
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: be back in the day. I go to eighteen and eighteen.

712
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: I was like, man, you gotta cut this drill out.

713
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: It was. It was to the point where, like and

714
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: I had a hitch at my shot when I first

715
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: came in. He was like, man, what the hell you doing?

716
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: You shooting on the way down every time.

717
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: But it's like I was in there constry, like it

718
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: was before practice, after practice, and like I said, he

719
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: helped me get the comments like I can take this

720
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: shot because I'm working on it every day. If you

721
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: don't believe in it, team's gonna keep going. EI pick

722
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: and rolls like you're never gonna be able to progress

723
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: to the next level. So as I said, being able

724
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: to learn from somebody that was a master of the

725
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: mid grom range, you didn't have to have speed we

726
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: were just talking about before you got on. You didn't

727
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: have to have the crazy adlesson you had to have

728
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: to speed. He was crafty. I'm gonna get to my spots.

729
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Another question I want to ask you, because you probably

730
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: got a guess, I don't know who you would say

731
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: who you think is the best point guard.

732
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: That posts up nowadays? Because you was the mask for me,

733
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: I would say you the best one.

734
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: And like two people I like to see you and Andre

735
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: Miller one Andre Mills on my team. How you getting

736
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: off with this slow ship? But he was crafty, he

737
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: knew it. Just think, like who you think right now?

738
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: Right now to the game. Good post of guys, another

739
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: one of guys s g A is a good post

740
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: up point guard right now.

741
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: It's not a lie.

742
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: It's not a lie on Cuttinghams. Good point guard that

743
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 4: back towards the basket. It's not lie down right now, John,

744
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: It's not lie down.

745
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: And why why do you think that? Like why why

746
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: is that part of that game? But you think there

747
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: will be a guy that I feel like it's a

748
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: cycle that that type of play.

749
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: But Jalen Brunson that you know, he he's just he's

750
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: so crafty, you know what I'm saying. Just watching him playing,

751
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: like Wow, you know I call him Jalen Brunson Casell

752
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: because we had the same kind of speed. He can't.

753
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: He just he beats you with his mind. He's so

754
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: he's just so fundamentally sound. He's just so good and

755
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: he's just so crafty. He just makes me sick watching

756
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: him play because he plays just like me. But he's

757
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: left handed. Spot no matter where he's gonna get to

758
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: where he's supposed to get at. Man, it's just it's

759
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: just amazing. I just watched him play the other day.

760
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: He played and I was just like, wow, just get

761
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: this ridiculous. He's ridiculous, you know what I'm saying. Football player?

762
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: Football player?

763
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Can I ask you, Sam, because you're a part of

764
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: also that O Wait Celtics championship team, can you talk

765
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: about the difference between that Rockets championship team and eight

766
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: and kind of also like your role and how that

767
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: changed from early in your career as a championship you're

768
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: a champion and then you know in eight.

769
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: Oh man, by the time I won that last championship

770
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: with something old man, I'm thirty years old, so I'm

771
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: hanging on. I'm just trying to get one to get

772
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: out the league. But it was just you know, and

773
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: I got here to Boston. Doc told me before I

774
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: got here, said, Sam, I want you help me win

775
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: one playoff game, just one playoff game. I was, I

776
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 4: could do that to win the championship. Sixteen had one

777
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: good game in the championship, one for us to win.

778
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: And I did Game one against the Capitalists in the

779
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: second round, and I think I scored Liken eleven or

780
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: twelve points in the full quarter. And right after the game,

781
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: he caught me this office say thank you, you did

782
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 4: your job just that step and said, you did your job.

783
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: You want help me win the game? And PJ. Brown

784
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: will me win a game? He said, you guys game

785
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: in the playoff with the champions. I did my job.

786
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: They did his job, and we became champions. But that

787
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: that that early Rocket team to this team were the

788
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: best defensive team. The Celtics was a great defensive team team,

789
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: but we had the best player in the league on

790
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: our team that was the kame of Loja won. So

791
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: we had a spade on our team, I think at

792
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: that time. I think Lebron James was the best player

793
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: in the league at that time and he was the

794
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: m v P and a height, I think he was

795
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: the m v P. Yeah, and so he was the

796
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: best player in the league at that particular time. So

797
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: the Caplins had a spade, but he was grinding, grinding.

798
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: Our team was for a lot of characters. You know.

799
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: We had Tony Allen, Paul Pearce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garna,

800
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: James Posey, you know, big baby Eddie House. So we

801
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: had a lot of We had a lot of good

802
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: guy sky Let Brainy who I was winning games. Leon Pole,

803
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: can't forget Leon Pol. We had big Kendick Purkis who

804
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: held the Buddles down. They don't get the credit he

805
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 4: deserved as a basketball player, you know, for that championship team,

806
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 4: he held the middle down for us. You know, we

807
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: never doubled no one in the game of basketball. If

808
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: you couldn't go on someone, you have to come up

809
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 4: the game, just that simple.

810
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: So now you got one week into the playoffs start,

811
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: you had time off. I want to know this as

812
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: a player, as a coach, what you think is it

813
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: a good thing or a bad thing? They have like

814
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: that much time off?

815
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: It depends, man, it depends if you beat up and everything.

816
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: You know, time off and late the season is never

817
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: a good thing. But you know you earned that right,

818
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: you know. I think our team is Our team is focused.

819
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: Our team has one goal, like every team in the playoffs,

820
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: trying to win the championship. I think our team is

821
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: made for that. It's pressure, it's pressure, but you know,

822
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: we just want to just absorbed the pressure, welcome the pressure.

823
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna be hard, supposed to be hard

824
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: winning the NBA Championship. It's not easy to trust men,

825
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 4: uh one three of them.

826
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: It's not.

827
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: It's not easy at all. There can be some ups

828
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 4: and down to keep going. And I think our guys

829
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: mentally and fiscally, I think they were ready to go.

830
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 4: You know, we just got to see what we gave

831
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: one brainstorm, you.

832
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, Sam, I want to go back. One of

833
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: my favorite highlights of yours was the Big Balls celebration.

834
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Uh can I can you tell us the celebrate or

835
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: like the origin of that celebration. Obviously We've seen a

836
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: lot of players do it after you. But what would

837
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: love to to hear where that came from.

838
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I got off the movie. I got that dance

839
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: off the movie Major League, I got I got that.

840
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: So when I started Major League, I said I got

841
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: to put that. I gotta put that, and I did it.

842
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: You know, it was fine. And Danny when I did it,

843
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: and I kept doing it, you know, the Lake commissioned

844
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: David Stewn got enough of it. You know, he just

845
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: told me what I got to cut it out.

846
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: Did they call you? They call you and we're like,

847
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: you got to stop that? And then did you do

848
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: it again and get fined?

849
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: Or I never got fined for because David told me

850
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: now he's not having that no more in his league.

851
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: So they calling you for a fine, they don't want

852
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: to find they're gonna give you a warning.

853
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: They gave me a warning, and I just stopped doing it.

854
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 4: It wasn't it was it wasn't worth it. You know,

855
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: twenty five thousand doing that worth it? You know, So

856
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 4: you know, like Goud think Kobe Brant, when Kobe did

857
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: it was fine because you know, Kobe a wealth he

858
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: was you know, he's a wealthy man at that particular time.

859
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: So you know he can handle it. He can handle that,

860
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I doubt what they

861
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: find Kobe Brand twenty five thousand for doing that.

862
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: No, they probably won't or you won't hear about it.

863
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Right, So you played with and coach a lot of

864
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame players, you you played within coach a

865
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: lot of Hall of Fame players. What does it take

866
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: the player along beside them and what do you think

867
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: it takes to coach them?

868
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: Like that's just like Chris Paul is like one of

869
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: my favorite point guards ever. You know, I think just

870
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: competing against Chris Paul as an individual, now I started

871
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: coaching him in his prime. He how he mastered the position.

872
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 4: Chris Paul is a guy who's gonna play the point

873
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 4: guard position the right way, no matter what you're telling them.

874
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: I number he's playing San Antonio Spurs in game six

875
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and me and him getting the cab

876
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: and go to the game early and I say, I said,

877
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 4: I call him captain. I said, captain eighteen points in

878
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: eighteen sists, ain't ain't gonna win this game for us tonight?

879
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: You want to get thirty and fifteen something like that.

880
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 4: He looked at me, say, yeah, he may be right.

881
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: He looked at me again. They said, but I'm still

882
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: gonna play the game the right way. So I'll say

883
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: I know that Cap. I just want to score the

884
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: ball because once he put his mind together to score

885
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: the basketball at that particular time in his career, he

886
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: could score the basketball. I saw it, and major playoff games.

887
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 4: Then he took over basketball games. And you know, did

888
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: that team under cheap? I don't think that team underachieved.

889
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 4: That team had the personnel to capability of winning the championship.

890
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: We just didn't throw it. That goes to show you

891
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: how hard it is to win the NBA championship. It's

892
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 4: hard to win an NBA championship.

893
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, Like I've never been to that point,

894
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: but I think it's hard. I know it's hard, Like

895
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: just to get out the first round, second round, it's hard,

896
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You playing against great teams,

897
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people take it for

898
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: granted just because you be around so many great players,

899
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 2: are so many great teams that on paper looks great

900
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: and they should be able accomplish what they want to accomplished.

901
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: But it's not as easy it is if it was.

902
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: So many guys have so many rings that don't have

903
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 2: any right now.

904
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, think about John. We beat the Chicago Balls that

905
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: your first playoff. Beat the Balls, and the Boss was

906
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: supposed to beat us. We went four to one. We

907
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 4: went for a game and everyone was shot, and I

908
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 4: remember I said, I ain't shot. We can score the ball.

909
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: We had to score eight. The Balls was not a

910
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: high scoring team back then. I said, you scored ninety points.

911
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: You beat the Balls. We was abage one on four.

912
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: So all we had to do is average out. We

913
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 4: can win it, like ninety five ninety four points a game.

914
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: He said, we get our habits, we can win. On

915
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 4: the nights we lost, we can still win against them.

916
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: We said, score one hundred and four points and we

917
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: win four games to one, and everybody was excited. And

918
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: I told John said, we're supposed to beat them guys, man,

919
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: you know, and they smiles. Gonna be a problem for us.

920
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: I remember running through the hallway jumping up and down

921
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: because they han't won the playoff season. In a minute,

922
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: I'm like ten years, ten years, you know, And like

923
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: you said, though, because like I felt like we wasn't.

924
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think we was better than

925
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: the Pacers. But we gave them a fight like a motherfucker.

926
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 4: They had.

927
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: But they just had more experience than us, for sure.

928
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: And then they knew how to control the game in

929
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: the right situations and call the right players and get

930
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: in the right spots that we didn't know how to do.

931
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: And I'm still and I'm still hot about the game.

932
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: We was up between three and a half and then

933
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: Paul George came out here about six seven threes in

934
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: the third quarter.

935
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 4: I remember it was down three games to one. That

936
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: pace serious. I know you remember this game five? Game five?

937
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 4: You walked in the game, You walked in the ring

938
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: and for shoot a round you hit that you were

939
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: struggling throughout the whole series.

940
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: Won't making it?

941
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 4: Rang And I said, we walked in the lock. I said,

942
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: what are you doing? I said, you're supposed to leave

943
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: this team and they see you come in this building

944
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: like this. What do you think they're doing? And he

945
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: just looked at me and said, I can't make a

946
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 4: shot right now. I said, do something else, John, Get

947
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: a steal for a lap, Get a couple of layups,

948
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 4: do something. You can't the game dictate how you're gonna

949
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: play because you're not making shots. There's so many other

950
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: ways you can impact the game of basketball. So do

951
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: something else, man. And the first quarter you had three

952
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: steals with six points. You finished thirty some points that day.

953
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, before I didn't even say a word. Remember I

954
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: walked into the game. After you talked to me, I

955
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: went home, I went back to hotel. I didn't say nothing,

956
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: Like I come into the game, I don't say nothing.

957
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: Seeing me working yard, I'm not saying ship. I'm just

958
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: locked in because he got me to a point where,

959
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: like you know what, Fucky. That's when I was like,

960
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: just scoring ain't gonna within your games. You can do

961
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: other things. And that's when I finally tell my game

962
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 2: to the level. So it's being a lockdown the find

963
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: and making other players, just putting pressure on the defense.

964
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: So it goes a long way for sure.

965
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 6: That's why I told you, I said do something that's

966
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 6: besides about schools. Okay, I said, I say steal a ball.

967
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 6: I said get a steal, get a layup, get a layup,

968
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 6: do something else. Ball goes through the basket.

969
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: But that's what I say, I tell people all the time,

970
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: like it was a great relationship because you didn't give it.

971
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: Damn you hurt my feelings.

972
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: It was the wrong thing, they say, or the right

973
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: time to say it, because you've been in that position before,

974
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: and that's what I need. And I was like, just

975
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: imagine if I didn't have that, where do my career go?

976
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So like I give a

977
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 3: lot of credits to you for that, because.

978
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Like you don't have that. I never really been I've

979
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: been coached before, but like I had. Only when I

980
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: had close to you that played that position was Rod Strickland.

981
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: That was in college.

982
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 2: I mean, now I'm in the pros where it's eighty

983
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: two games we probably lost.

984
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: We started off oh and twenty eight on the road.

985
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: Man, I meanber you came from crying tis crying. I

986
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 4: mean he was in a culture shop and he's going

987
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 4: through withdraws about winning and he came to my women.

988
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: I got where he was. That city was at what

989
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 4: I said.

990
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: You know when I get what I told you, I said,

991
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: I said, oh, do you think I can get paid

992
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: to go back and play in Collegecause this.

993
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 7: Ain't I said, John, I said, I forget it. I said,

994
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 7: he was crying. Tis you couldn't believe it. Like he

995
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 7: was like three and like twenty, you couldn't believe it.

996
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 7: He was like, he was trying.

997
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: You only lost three games. Your whole college can now

998
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 4: you lost three games? You only won three games. It

999
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: looks like in December, sire I thought. I said, well,

1000
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I just watched the look right now,

1001
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: small losing, small losing next year. But we're gonna get

1002
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: your team.

1003
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: Man.

1004
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: The only thing that helped is it was lockout here.

1005
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: So we had a little break. We started a little later.

1006
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: We played sixty games.

1007
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 8: Yeah you know, and but yeah, it's some times, man,

1008
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 8: I think that show you how much you mature, man like,

1009
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 8: because it was sometimes it's like pull the teeth to

1010
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 8: get you to get in gym.

1011
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 4: And I said, John, what if your speed go how

1012
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: what kind of basketball playered you will be? He was like,

1013
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: I don't know. I always had speed. I said, okay,

1014
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: that's where going you're shooting. I just broke and I

1015
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: said this in the case, not much your shot, but

1016
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 4: we're gonna shoot the ball when you're going up study

1017
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 4: coming down. We just did it. We just got wrapped,

1018
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: after rep, after wrap, I said, come on, you never

1019
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: round the corner from me. The first spot. I said,

1020
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 4: I was coming.

1021
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: I said, thirty second, thirty second.

1022
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: I call you. I said, what you're doing playing a game?

1023
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: I said, I'm playing. You're playing a game. I'm playing

1024
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: the game. Said, let's go to gym for hours. It's Johnson,

1025
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 4: all right. We did that, I said, and you start

1026
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: to work, and you're seeing the be salts. You started

1027
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: making like seven ten to pull up jump shot. You

1028
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: start seeing to be solved. So he was like, I'm

1029
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: gonna be start coming to me, Sam, get them off.

1030
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: I'll be there early. I say, John's Friday night. You're

1031
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 4: not coming here early, be here. I'll be here. I

1032
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: be here. To your credit, you were day for the

1033
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: first fifteen minutes. So I get you going. When you

1034
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: got going, you got going. So I never had a

1035
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: problem with you on the court doing your work. I said,

1036
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: I always tell you. I said, if you're gonna party

1037
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: like a rock star, come to jump b all star.

1038
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 4: That's the only rue I gave you. I said, good

1039
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 4: because the same after you get it night life, I'm

1040
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 4: gonna get it out. You're here, I'm gonna get it out.

1041
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: You're here, and you did it. So I never had

1042
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 4: a problem you ran, saye Tavi Smaxi Austin Rivers. I haven't.

1043
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: I never had a problem with that. The guys that

1044
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: I put my hands on, that I actually put my

1045
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: hands on as a young player. And I told all

1046
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: y'all the same thing. I said, The year y'all make

1047
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: the play off, y'all will be all stars. I said,

1048
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 4: the year y'all make the playoff. Shay was a little

1049
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: quicker because he went from Ampton, you know, eleven points

1050
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: to twenty points, you know what I'm saying, and from

1051
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: twenty to twenty six, twenty six to thirty points. You know,

1052
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: so never understand, never thought that that may that may happen.

1053
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: But y'all put the work in, man, y'all put the

1054
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: work in. I told all your y'all can be rich individuals.

1055
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: Told all y'all y'tna be rich? Really, I said, oh, y'all, man.

1056
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: You still got to take care of the tab, makes

1057
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: time to go to dinner.

1058
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 4: Though, No, no, no, you god, no, you main more

1059
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: mony than me.

1060
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: My coach is Hey, I got one more cuddy for you.

1061
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: What's one more thing you want to accomplish in this.

1062
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: I want opportunity to be a head coaching.

1063
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: I knew it. I knew it.

1064
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 4: That's to be a head coach, because because I know

1065
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: I can do it.

1066
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: I want you to get that. I know you could

1067
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: do I know you can be a head coaching. That's

1068
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: why I ask you that question, because I want to

1069
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: see what.

1070
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 4: I just want an opportunity. I'm not bagging for it.

1071
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: I just know if a good opportunity, I'm I'm gonna

1072
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 4: be a good head coach. I understand what it takes

1073
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 4: to get a plan going. You know where the player

1074
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: want to hear it. You know, sometimes you gotta be

1075
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: an asshole on the bench. You know, sometimes you don't.

1076
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 4: That's the old school coaching right there. You know, you

1077
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: got to know how to communicate to these guys. You know,

1078
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: the league, the league is getting so young now that

1079
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: the hard criticism may not work. You know.

1080
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: But I feel like you can have some old school

1081
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: with the new school. You know what I mean, Like

1082
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: an old school got an old school coach that got

1083
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: the old school mentality but still know how to be

1084
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: with the new school. I think nothing wrong with that

1085
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: because it's the same as me as a point guard.

1086
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: And you you know, some players I can yell at

1087
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: on the court. Some players I gotta wait till I

1088
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: get in the huddling and baby right because they might

1089
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: not react to right.

1090
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 4: All the players that they want to be coached to

1091
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: your coach, you know what I'm saying, anybody want to

1092
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: be coach to? You coach them? You know, you know,

1093
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: But I'm having a ball with this man. Like I've

1094
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 4: been coaching for fifteen years as an assistant coach to

1095
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: see like some of the guys I actually paid a

1096
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 4: lot of attentions ten spend a lot of time with

1097
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: and see them blossom to you know, fathers and got

1098
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: their own families. Now to now of these guys was fathers.

1099
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, got kids, got kids. You know,

1100
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: you know everybody got kids now, Austin got kids. So

1101
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: all the guys I work with got kids. Now at

1102
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 4: first they didn't have kids. And now I see the

1103
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: maturity them guys have. You know, this is amazing. I'm

1104
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: like they are. I call all them my sons. You

1105
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Hey, John, Ms Francis, that is

1106
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: my girl. That was my girl. She used to call

1107
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 4: me and say you get him, Sam, You tell that

1108
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: you know all the time, all the time, all the time,

1109
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 4: say miss Fans, I can't get him all the time

1110
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: like that, I'm gon shoot off my bullets, off at them.

1111
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, I only got six got it's December,

1112
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: mister John, Like, you get him, You tell him you can,

1113
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 4: you get him? You know he don't listen to you.

1114
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: You get him.

1115
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 3: For sure.

1116
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: I was like, Fans, I can't. It's like December, I

1117
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 4: only got him. I got six shots. I can't use

1118
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: all my six bullets in the month and December I

1119
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: cain't no more.

1120
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: She wanted them going in the first two months.

1121
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 4: Kits are never guns an never gun. I'm sick of him.

1122
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: That's my girl right there. That's my girl, Sam, My girl.

1123
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: It's been an honor and pleasure watching you as a

1124
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: player and a coach. Good luck to you in these

1125
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: playoffs and for coming game.

1126
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1127
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: Oh gee, I just want to say thank you for

1128
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: not only taking the time to join us for the podcast,

1129
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: but for what you've done for me the game in general.

1130
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: Your passion, your dedication, knowledge and commit me to the game.

1131
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: You've been significant. So continue to do what you're doing.

1132
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: You know, we watch you out in the playoffs. I'm

1133
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: gonname catch a game, and I hope you.

1134
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: Get down kind of Miami did on You be kind

1135
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: of Miami for.

1136
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: Sure, and I hope you get the opportunity.

1137
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh and I pray you get the opportunity very soon

1138
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: to be head coach because I know you do a

1139
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: hell of a job of it, because you have that

1140
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: mentality of somebody that played the game, know the old

1141
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: school mentality, know the new school mentality. And I think

1142
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: the players will relate to you. That's something that we

1143
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 2: missing in a game a lot. His players can relate

1144
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: to their coach, I understand, and will respect them the

1145
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: way they need to.

1146
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: So doubt all right, man.

1147
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: Yanks, Welcome back to the Point Game with John Wall

1148
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,440
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Speaker 1: experience even sweeter. The crime is yours now, John, Same

1154
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: thing as usual, If you agree, it's a bucket. If

1155
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: you disagree, it's a brick. I want an explanation for

1156
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: either answer. So you ready for this?

1157
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1158
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: All right.

1159
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: First one, we were talking about the Lakers top of

1160
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: the show. But the Lakers are a plus four to

1161
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: twenty five to win the series versus the Nuggets. So

1162
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: if you bet one hundred, you win four hundred and

1163
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: twenty five bucks. Well, I'm asking is bucket or break?

1164
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: The Lakers will win at least two games in this

1165
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: series versus the Nuggets. So two games?

1166
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: Ah, bucketter, brick, brick. I think they might get one. Yeah.

1167
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: I just feel like dem has a number. And like

1168
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: I said, man, long as they guys are making shots,

1169
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: it's tough to beat them because you have the double

1170
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: team yoga. You can't guarden one on one like they've

1171
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: tried all type of matches. Bro, he's just like that different.

1172
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: Bro. It's crazy like it's crazy like to be that

1173
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: skill to where he conchrose the game. Bro, it's impactable.

1174
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: It's great to see you.

1175
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: And what I want to say is a lot of

1176
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: people don't get Jamal Murray enough credit. Bro oh Man,

1177
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: he one of the best guards in the league. I'm

1178
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: sure I give a little frustrated at times because I

1179
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: know you never made All Star. I'm not sure if

1180
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: you have made the NBA team. But he has to

1181
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: be on one of them, like the Gold number one,

1182
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: the number one team in the West last year to

1183
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: go win the championship and then come back this year

1184
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: a couple of injuries here and there, but still finish

1185
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: top three and don't get no nods. I don't understand it,

1186
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: like he's really that Dueo is tough.

1187
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: Because of him.

1188
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: You can't switch it big on him because he can

1189
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: kill that matchup and then if you don't switch, then

1190
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: he's just getting to his spots and printed pick and

1191
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: roll with Yokish.

1192
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: So they're a tough dudo to deal with.

1193
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: No facts. I mean the when Murray takes over, it's

1194
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: like the Lakers or any team really playing the Nuggets

1195
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: can be up ten with three minutes left and Murray

1196
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: can get a bucket, can get a bucket. I mean,

1197
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: they got three shooters around him, besides those guys that

1198
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: you kick it out MPJ, KCP. You know they're hitting threes.

1199
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: It's it's I think in this series, and I'm a

1200
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: Lakers fan, people are like, oh, what the Lakers got

1201
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: to do. It's like if they lose, all credit goes

1202
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: to the Nuggets. That's a that's an incredible team.

1203
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think a lot of people question them

1204
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: because they lost Jeff Green and Who's Brown this summer,

1205
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Those was great pieces, key

1206
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: piece to their team. But I mean, Reggie Jackson, he's

1207
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: healthy this year, he's playing well for them. Then you've

1208
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: got the Christian Bron played well. You got Peyton Washington

1209
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: has given them minutes. So like those young guys is

1210
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: not probably not the same guys those guys, but Peyton

1211
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Washington's blocking shots great, definishly plays with a motor. I mean,

1212
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: Christian Bron plays with the motor, you know what I mean. Like,

1213
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: those guys all fit in. They and I just helped.

1214
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: I think this whole year they got Last year they

1215
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: built their confidence, but this year they built their confidence

1216
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: to another level. Knowing that they're not just playing spot minutes.

1217
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: They really getting minutes and they really are part of

1218
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: the rotation and helped their team.

1219
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, moving on, So Bucke to brick Thunder.

1220
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: The OKC Thunder will make the Western Conference Finals.

1221
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: Oh, No, Brick. Who you think they're playing with Clippers.

1222
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. And I'm not not discredit

1223
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: them because I feel like they're a great team. They're

1224
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: gonna be able to people with a lot of people.

1225
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: I just don't I just don't think they're better than

1226
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: those two teams. Like they do have the number one

1227
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: team in the West. Don't get me wrong, but I

1228
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: just think those two teams are special. I mean, like,

1229
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: I just think those teams are better. I mean even

1230
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: though even though they Okay, he has the number one

1231
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: wreck in the league, I just think those other teams

1232
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: are better.

1233
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see, all right, So Bucket or Brick. Jalen

1234
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: Brunson has the best footwork in the NBA. Shout out

1235
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: to Sam who shout him out and you best post

1236
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: up blank guard, but best footwork in the NBA right now?

1237
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: No, Brick, I don't think he got the best, but

1238
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: he got some of the best footwork. I mean, but

1239
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of say because there's so many

1240
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 2: guy has a great foot with Kyrie and Paul George

1241
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: s g A, you know what I mean, those guys.

1242
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: Tatum got great footwork. I think he got the best,

1243
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: Luca got. Luker might have the best footwork up and

1244
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: under the ball, fakes everything's man got great footwork, you

1245
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So we can't we can't forget

1246
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: de Book, We can't forget I mean, you can't forget Brad,

1247
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: can't forget KD. Like it's just so many great guys.

1248
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: I don't think he has the best, but he's one

1249
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: of the best with foot brick for sure, all right,

1250
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: And he has and he's very crafty and you can't

1251
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: speed him up.

1252
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll take that answer, all right. Next one,

1253
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: bucket or brick. The Celtics are going to sweep the heat.

1254
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: Bucket. I think missing Jimmy Butler is going to hurt

1255
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: them alive. So yeah, bucket, okay, all right.

1256
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: Finally, and a lot of Lakers talk on this show,

1257
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: But bucket or brick, Trey Young is the Lakers best

1258
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: target this summer because immediately when.

1259
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: This is what I have, that's what I have is special.

1260
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the numbers he have put up throughout his careers,

1261
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: it's special. Like not too many guys did that, you

1262
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean, especially now with the NBA, now

1263
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: you can't really touch anybody so it's hard to guard him.

1264
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he got unlimited range, he has a nice floater.

1265
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: I just think he needs the ball so much and

1266
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: bron needs the ball, you know what I mean. So

1267
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: it takes away from him being that Trey Youngkey wants

1268
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: to be or needs to be.

1269
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So who do you think they go out and

1270
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: get a place?

1271
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: I would love to see him where Darres Garland play at.

1272
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: Not saying either one are going to leave their team

1273
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: is with Wenby.

1274
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where a lot of plays. A

1275
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: lot of players are looking at San Antonio right now.

1276
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: There's something to build there. There's because I think a

1277
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of the complaints that everyone's having right now is

1278
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: like no one knows how to play with Wenby. It

1279
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: looks like two different teams over there, separated.

1280
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: So I think they kind of do. You know.

1281
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: The difference is Trey Jones is a great player. I

1282
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: just don't think he's a starting point guard for them,

1283
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, he's a great player in NBA.

1284
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: He's always going to be a player. I don't think

1285
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: he's bad and don't need to get no minutes. I

1286
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: just think he's a great come off the bench role player.

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Speaker 2: For them, you know what I mean. So him been

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Speaker 2: in that starting position, I don't think he really knows

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Speaker 2: how to get it, you know. And I think Pop

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Speaker 2: is also you know, Pop's a hell of each other,

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Speaker 2: one of the best coaches of me, if not the best. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's trying to figure out how to use them and

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Speaker 2: what players be there, you know. I mean, like at time,

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Speaker 2: Devin Fiziale is there, He's been out, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. So it's all trying to figure out what

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Speaker 2: works best. But you get like a true point guard

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Speaker 2: for them. I think it could be spectacular and special

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 1: All Right, John, another great episode of point Game. Anything

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Speaker 1: you want to leave the fans with on this episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, continue to watch out to the show, and

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Speaker 2: we've got some more great special cats coming on. Me

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Speaker 2: and CJ definitely trying to lock in and get in

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Speaker 2: the studio together to get alive NBA playoff games. Soe,

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Speaker 2: y'all enjoyed it. But I hope y'all enjoying this playoff basketball,

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Speaker 2: right Neil. I'm super excited to watch the end of

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Speaker 2: his next game, and I'm definitely ready for the next game.

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