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Behind the scenes, They 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:32.320 and coaches expressed frustrations with towns defensive habits, less concerned 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.320 with his talent level and more with the process on 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.440 that end. Too often, Towns executed incorrect coverages without communicating 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.840 why he did it. After it became a theme, players word, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.080 Towns didn't a grasp the importance of the matter, the 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:53.600 ability to constructively critique became a point of emphasis. Joe, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.440 It's hard for me to believe Timms having coached Cat 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.960 in Minnesota, now he's coaching him in New York. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.000 It's hard for me to believe he didn't know what 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:06.919 he was trading for. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.519 Floors yours, Nah, I think I think he definitely knew, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.519 you know, what he was trading for, what they was 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.600 gonna get out of Cat. Now, I understand they want 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.680 him to be more of an anchor, you know, for 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.880 that defense, you know, because he's the big guy. He's 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.200 the last line of defense. Sim Butt Tall. Yeah, he's 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.840 the last line of defense, unk O, Choe and I 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.560 guess they expect more of a prisons out of him 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.080 from being in the paint, from when guys coming in 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.400 there alterranch shots, blocking shots. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.080 They wanted to play both fans on the floor. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.680 Man, they wanted to be a two way big, not 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.440 just a big who come down, pick and pop and 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:40.000 shoot three. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.000 But he's never but Joe, He's never been that. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.760 Don't I mean, if you buy something chat, no matter 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.640 what you buy, shouldn't you have an idea of what 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.480 you're purchasing. I don't buy a shower curtain hoping. I'm saying, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.720 you know what, man, this w a duveate. That's not 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.000 what I bought it for. You have to understand when 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.680 you purchase something, what exactly am I purchasing And I'm 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.640 by purchasing it for the reasons. So when I'm looking 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.240 at I'm like, You're like, you're asking Cat to be 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:12.160 something that he's not. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.200 Cat has never been a defensive anchor. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.679 Cat has never really concerned himself about back in because 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.640 why defense, No matter how great your defense is, more 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.760 times than not, in basketball, it's all about the offense. 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.960 It's all about guys that can shoot the three, that 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.080 can put the ball in the basket at a high clip, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.640 not somebody that can block four or five shots a game. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.520 Goheto Joe. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.800 Now I'm getting to ask, Now we all understand I'm 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.880 gonna use in football terms. You understand as a head coach, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.880 Tims in this matter, you understand your player strengths and weaknesses. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.800 You saying that, and I hear all the time. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.440 When it comes to basketball in this era that they 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.000 don't play that much defense. I know you understand that 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.200 Cat is an offensive player. You understand that he's a 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.359 liability on the defensive end. And you got him simply 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.400 for that very reason. And I don't think he's not 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.880 a You didn't get him, you know, for a defensive 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.000 prowess despite him being seven be tall. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.960 You know that's not what he does. Hey, listen said, 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.080 where where's the issue coming from? And you know what, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.080 you know what you signed up for. I ain't saying 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.359 he got to be this stopper. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.640 He ain't got to beat god Burn, but he gotta 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.080 have some interest on the defensive end. Fellas, he can't 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.760 just play offense. Like to whom much is giving much 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.320 to require? It's at giving the Cat they wanted to 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.080 step up and play both fans of the floor. Man, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.960 you gotta be a presidence down that defensively and offensively. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.680 Joe, if he have done that, you think he's gonna 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.600 snap his fingers and all of a sudden he gonna 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:36.560 be a defensive stopper. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.880 Yeah, you can get me some interest on the end 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.000 of the floor. Oh Joe, No, No, the coverage know 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.040 what we're doing. You know, I ain't saying you gotta 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.080 step up there and block four five shots a game, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.800 but you gotta be in tuned with the defensive coverages, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.080 talking to the guards because they can't see you. The 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.160 last line of defense. You got you the ankor back there. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.360 You gotta call out the coverages and all that. Yes, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.520 it's a lot. We ask a lot of the bigs 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.320 and and it's it's a tough job. But he's one 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.080 big who can do it. Do you hear what you 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:03.559 just said. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.560 It's a tough job, and you say he's one big 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.320 that can do it, But he doesn't do it because 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.120 he understands, depending on how much he exerts on the 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.279 defense end is going to take away from what he can. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.320 Do on the office end. So we gotta get in 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.680 better shade. We gotta get some shape, or so we 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.919 gotta get in better shape. Show you preached it to 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.280 the choir. I agree with you, And yeah, he gotta 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.120 get in better shave. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.799 In the last five games of the series, a seven 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.640 foot guy had zero blocks. Let that think it for 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.080 just a second. Yes, chat, you heard me correctly. In 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:34.640 games two through six, Kat had zero blocks. So that's 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.240 five games. So you mean to tell me, at seven 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.679 foot tall, you couldn't block. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:41.760 You couldn't block. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.240 Nim Hard or a niece Smith or somebody or a saka, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.160 somebody coming into the bank. Not one person. You couldn't get, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.200 no one. But like, hey, get that out of here. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.600 That's That's what I'm talking about, just having to talk 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.680 at some point in time. You see, see, defense is 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.640 all about effort. It's just like blocking for a wide 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.880 receiver in the run game. It's all about effort. Blocking, period, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.960 is about effort. If you don't give, if you don't 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.000 give a d it's gonna show. You can look at 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.600 the teams that run the ball. You tell me aj Brown, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.160 you tell me DeVonta Smith, you tell me the guys 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.160 in Baltimore ain't blocking. You don't get those kind of 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.600 backs running for those kind of yards. If your wide 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.480 receivers are not blocking, the offensive line job is to 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.400 get him to the line of scrimmage. A lot of 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.680 times untouched. After that, it is the wide receiver's job 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.160 to knock people off it to make sure a I'm 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:44.080 gonna make your pursuer. I'm gonna excuse me the way 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.000 we blood, O Joe. We made you a chaser, not 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.040 a pursuer. So you're gonna be in a trail position 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.760 because we've already cut you off from the angle, so 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.400 you're not pursuing. You're not gonna catch him at an angle. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.240 You're gonna have to chase him down from behind. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.440 Go ahead, O Joe. Got a question, Joe, and uh, 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:01.920 y'all know better than I do. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.960 What year is cat in? Cat got to be in 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:11.760 like year eight. Cat came out in what sixteen or seventeen? 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.760 So he year eleven eleven? 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.320 Yeah, he going into year eleven. Yeah, he just finished 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:23.640 your teen. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.320 Okay, he's going into year eleven. So he's played ten 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.000 years already. So we've seen the simple size enough of 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.160 a simple size of what type of player Cat is. Yeah, 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.520 understood what you were getting. Now we're going in the 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.480 year eleven, and now we complaining about him not giving 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.160 effort and hustle on the defense end when he's never 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:40.920 done it before. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.520 But the difference is the problem. And Joe correct me if 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:49.960 I'm wrong. Is that when he played with the Timberwolves, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.880 they didn't really they got That's why they got Rudy, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.480 so Rudy could take up because they knew Cat wasn't 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.360 gonna be a real protector. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.280 They knew he wasn't gonna be a help, so that's 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:02.280 why they got Rooty. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.360 Now you go to Now, you go to the Knicks, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.000 and you get a Josh Hart, and you got a 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.800 o g Ananobi, and you got a Michael Bridges. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:11.360 Bro. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.680 We just need you to do a little We're not 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.040 asking you to do everything that Don Elijah one did. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.720 We're not asking you to be Mark Eaton. We're not 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.640 asking you to be big Ben Wallace, bro. But just 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.440 just a little effort. Just care, just pretend you care. Yeah, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.960 I agree, I agree, Uh okay, I hold yall. I 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.520 know he was he and yeah eleven, I'm sure the 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.400 Knicks brought him man, you know, for for his offensive parales, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.199 but defensively, he just gotta show more interest on the defensive. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:41.000 Y'all. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.559 Hey, hey, y'all, can't tell me Kak move his feet, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.480 stay with guards, block shots. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:45.959 He can do it. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.680 If he wants to, he just chooses not to, because, yeah, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.800 you have to exert a lot of energy on the 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.559 end of the floor and try to save yourself for offenses. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.360 Tough, you know what, but the thing gills on. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.560 Yo. They used to make you exert energy to come 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.280 get that damn check. Now they made a direct deposit. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:02.240 They made it easy. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.040 So now nobody got to take their ass upstairs to 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:05.840 go to payroll. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.680 When I first got to the league, you had to 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.559 walk your layer's ass upstairs to the window. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.160 Even if it's direct positive too, and we're gonna open 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.640 it right there. I need I need, I need over 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.200 mine right there on the spot. I need to see 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.720 how much it is. I need to see how much 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.840 came out, and I need to see what went in. 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.839 Yeah, because you know, they got everything out of minds. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.400 Okay, tickets, you got to extra hotel room, they got 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.040 all that stuff right now, everything like damn tickets caught this. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.560 But hey, ain't nobody going to the game no more. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.080 It's it's different when you see that paper and you 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.800 see them minuses on there, you're like, hold on, hold yeah, absolutely. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.720 But New York in the regular season defense was almost 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.079 three points better per hundred possessions with. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.480 Towns on the bench. That's what I mean. Look, I 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:55.120 had a. 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.920 Fabulous I sat down and talked with him this past 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.240 summer last summer, and it was great. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.120 Sitting down and talking to him. And I know he's 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:07.880 gone through a lot. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.800 You know, he lost his mom the COVID and you 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.120 know she was in the hospital and he had and 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.240 I understand he's great in the community, but Cat, you 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.640 got to care more on the defensive end because it's 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.200 just it's all about and you have to understand where 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:21.880 I am. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:23.720 It's like a situation. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.440 Oh like, look, there's certain situations you got to blend 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.680 in in if I know, hey, when I go to 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.200 the barbershop, I go in the hood, I ain't all flashing. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.000 I got to blend de in. Right. 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.120 You go to New York and you know they're are 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:42.320 defensive teams. Look at what they have, So you got 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.679 to blend in. I'm not saying all of a sudden 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.760 you turn into Rudy Gobert. I'm not saying you turn 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.839 into Winby. But like Joe said, just care just a little, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.520 just the little effort. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.480 I got one more question, Let's what's that next year? 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.560 And eleven he changes losing low weight right and becomes 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.160 a defensive stopper as well. Then we're gonna be complaining 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.960 about his office of game falling off and saying he's 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.800 lost a step or we can't shoot no more, or 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:12.600 he can't be down in the block. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.520 Why did it have to be See, they're not mutually exclusive. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.319 It doesn't have to be one or the other. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:22.719 Right drop off? I mean no, Listen, something has to 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:23.200 give Joe. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.320 You know that if he hasn't done it for this 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.160 long and then he all of a sudden he goes 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.320 into year eleven, you know what, I'm gonna try to 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.719 give effort on the defense end and pay attention to it. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.680 I'm gonna listen to Uncle, I'm gonna listen to Joe. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.160 You know it's gonna suffer him on the office end. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.480 Would y'all be upset if his offense have played declines? 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.640 I'm just curious because no, But here's the thing to 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:45.000 o Jo. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.520 Now he might get some easy baskets now all of 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.520 a sudd because guess what I see you working? 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.560 What are the code a? What coach of fee? You 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.160 do it? Hey? 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.280 They see you throw a good block block for Corey dialing. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.360 Now all of a sudden, they o, Joe, Hey, we 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.199 got he played for ya, Joe. Now I gotta reward 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.360 your effort than God. You gave me an effort on 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.840 one end which I wasn't expected. Now I've got to 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.840 reward you on the end that I expect you to 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.560 give it to me. So I got to make sure. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.040 Hey man, let me go get back. Three quick passes 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.080 right quick way, hit it with that spot, hit with 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.760 a stock route. I'm gon hit him with that speed 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:22.439 out and I know he want that skinny. So she's 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.360 a skinny post. We call him it's a skinny. Some 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.040 people call him a bang eight you take seven stops 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.839 in his bang. Or you call it a glance because hey, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.160 you throw the seven steps and you just glanced inside 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:32.960 the balls right there. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.600 Or we call it the skinny post. Joe, So a 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.400 severn step post. Sure's load nine beload the numbers. I 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:38.840 don't want to hear. 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.240 I don't want to deal with the two yards outside 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.040 of the numbers. Yeah, okay, okay, I don't want to 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:48.520 deal with this outside put outside foot back. Hey listen, 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.319 I think if he if I think if he comes 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.880 back in some better shade. Uh, he can be lead 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.160 on both ends. White can't be lead on both fends. Okay, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:57.800 oh Joe, it ain't but a few bigs in the 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.440 NBA that we ain't gat but a few. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:00.760 It's only a few. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.520 Well, first of all, you got three ye that can 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.439 really play offense. You got him, you got Embiid, you 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.920 got Yo kich. I talk about true biggs, I'm talking 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.160 about five. I mean, he looks at himself as a 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.319 stretch five, a D obviously a D, but a defense 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.640 he's a four with that being fan. So let's just 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.760 let's include a D, a D, Joel, Embiid, nicolea jokicch Cat. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.920 Who are your other big that can score? Whom w 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.320 Wimben's out? I mean, Womby really ain't trying to bang. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.160 Womy, I'm gonna say, Okay, okay, yeah. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.320 So let even if we include Wimbley Wimby, we got five, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.000 really five bigs that can score right. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:40.480 Other than so, I'm. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.440 Just saying, Oh Joe, it's not like he normally, unless 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.320 he plays one of those guys, he has an advantage. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.960 He's not going against Joel and bid and normally if 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.120 they're going against Joel and bid. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:51.720 Mister Robinson's gonna be on it. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.320 Okay, he might have to go and if he goes 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.680 against yo, kiss, mister Robinson's gonna be on it. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.320 So with that being said. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:05.040 I'm just saying just just a little, I mean, and 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.680 I get it, because it's easy to fall into that trap, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.280 O Joe. When you start having success, Joe on one 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.560 end of the court, a lot of times you say 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.240 the hell with the other end. Because I've been there, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:21.240 started catching a few passes. Man, listen, damn that blocking. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.160 Hey, Oh Joe, I. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.520 Gotta put my face basket down, my hand, my knuckles 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:26.880 getting off all beat up. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.800 The hell with that? Listen listen. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.880 It's like, uh, when I was in Phoenix, bro, look, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.560 I did anything to stay on the floor. Joe Like, yeah, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.440 they need to chase Ai. I chased Ai. I gotta 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.400 guard Kobe Coche, I gotta guard t Map. Hey, when 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.800 I got to Atlanta and started dancing a little bit, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.240 chasing nobody, Oh I forgot, Joe, we forgot about shun't 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:49.600 doom from Houston. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, but it ain't. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.080 But it ain't but a handful of big And you 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.720 mean to tell me kak't be Lee Man. Please, let's 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.920 just let's let's let's ride it up. Let's give it 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.600 a nice round number. Let's just say they're thirty teams, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.840 they're fifteen guys per team. That's four hundred and fifty guys. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:08.800 Let's just say we're gonna ride it up. We're gonna 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:13.280 say ten, there are ten bigs bigs. You mean to 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.520 tell me, kat, you can't give me a little more 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.680 than that. It's not like you playing all ten of 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:18.480 them every night. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.240 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.280 Hey, I can see if it was like it was 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.200 like the old when they first started out, they had 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.200 eight teams in the NBA, when they started out, to think, 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.600 what was that forty seven fifty seven, say forty seven 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.680 they started. Yeah, I mean they started out they only 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.600 had eight teams. And now you say, well, damn, I 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.120 got a big every night. It ain't like that, no, sir. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.320 And the game different too, So it ain't last. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.080 It ain't. It ain't like it's bruise of basketball like 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:45.480 it was. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.160 Ain't nobody ain't ain't nobody doing like what Charles Barkler, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.720 Karl Malong. They got the ball and it boom boom boom, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.400 boom boom boom. Ain't nobody doing that, ain't nobody back, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.760 ain't nobody down like that? Hey, you got big, big, 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.000 like the sanitation truck. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.360 So I don't. I don't get it. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.119 And and that's what you try and see this what 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.800 caused me to catch There's some validity of this because 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.280 they try to make light of a situation. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:12.560 Oh, Joe, you know how we do it. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.240 Joe, you know how we try to do it when 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.680 something they going right, We try to make fun. Man, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.960 My grandma blocked better than that. You know, we try 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.720 to make light of a situation and help. My sister 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.680 would have caught that one. You ain't catch the ball 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.080 when you try to, you try to put humor on it. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:29.880 Then you're like, hey, you pull them to this side 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.360 and say, bro, what what's going on? 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:32.240 Man? Man? 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.600 Come on, hey Sean Man, Hey bro Rod blocking the 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.639 head blocking? Hell, I'm blocking a hell. I like the 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.080 block least after least wasn't blocked because the five blocking 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.840 that means I ain't gonna get out in the route 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.000 were not throwing the ball. Everybody wants to catch passes, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.360 but like Mike said, that, you don't block he I'll 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.600 never forget. Mike came in in ninety five. I had 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.080 went to see ninety two, ninety three, ninety four, so 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.000 I had gone to three straight Pro Bowls. I was 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.120 the first team All Pro, led the team and receive 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:01.720 it each year. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:03.160 Oh Joe. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.600 After that ninety five, they tried to trade me. They 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.040 wanted to trade me to Arizona. They're gonna trade me 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.440 Mike Pritchett the number fifteen pick for Eric Swan. That's 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.720 what they wanted. So, uh the trade didn't go through 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.800 because they wanted a couple more. So they ended up 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.200 just said no, the hell with it. Mike called me 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.720 in and said, I said, uh So when I came 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:31.040 back for OTA's they called me, called up towards office. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.760 He said, what's on your mind? 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:34.240 Eighty four? 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.359 I said, I said, Mike, I'm not upset that you 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.040 tried to trade me. I said, I'm upset that you 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.400