WEBVTT - Trash

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<v Speaker 1>Ephemeralist production of My Heart three D audio for full

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<v Speaker 1>exposure listen with that phones for a lot of us.

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<v Speaker 1>With the new year comes an opportunity to take stock,

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<v Speaker 1>consider what you have, what you want, what you may

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<v Speaker 1>not need anymore, and maybe do a little cleaning. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a moment where people are confronted with a question at

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of this show, how do we as societies

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<v Speaker 1>and as individuals decide what to keep and what to

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<v Speaker 1>throw away? What defines trash varies from person to person.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an activity more than it is a category, so

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<v Speaker 1>it should be understood as a dynamic category rather than

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<v Speaker 1>as the thing or a kind of thing. And my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Susan Strasser. I am the Richards Professor Emerita

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<v Speaker 1>of American History at the University of Delaware, which just

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<v Speaker 1>really means that I'm retired from the University of Delaware.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm the author of Never Done, a History of

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<v Speaker 1>American Housework. Second book was called Satisfaction Guaranteed, The Making

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<v Speaker 1>of the American mass Market and Waste and Want a

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<v Speaker 1>Social History of Trash. If we were to see the

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<v Speaker 1>way most people in the United States lived before eighteen nine,

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't look familiar to us at all. By twenty

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<v Speaker 1>things would look old fashioned to us, certainly, but they

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<v Speaker 1>would look familiar. And what that is about is the

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<v Speaker 1>creation of the mass market, the creation of industrial products

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<v Speaker 1>that per meated domestic life, and that really got fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>transformed during those decades around the turn of the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>people related to material goods in very, very different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>The likelihood was that almost everything that you wore, or

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<v Speaker 1>eight or sat on were created by yourself, or by

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<v Speaker 1>somebody in your family, or by somebody that you knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Soap and candles were industrialized pretty early in the cities,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were not necessarily industrialized in the country because

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<v Speaker 1>they were made of leftover materials. You make soap from ashes,

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<v Speaker 1>the ashes make lie, and from spare fat. When you're butchering,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have spare fat to use. Bottles were very valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>Commercial glass manufacturer was pretty slow compared to other industries,

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<v Speaker 1>so bottles were refilled. Housekeeping manuals advised people when they're

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<v Speaker 1>clearing the table to check and see what can be

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<v Speaker 1>eaten again. And there was not a lot of shame

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<v Speaker 1>apparently involved in taking things off people's plates and keeping

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<v Speaker 1>it to feed people later, and across the social hierarchy,

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<v Speaker 1>people knew how to sew. Rich women sewed, poor women sewed,

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<v Speaker 1>middle class women sewed, All women sewed. If you could

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<v Speaker 1>afford to, you might hire somebody to make your fancy

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<v Speaker 1>dresses or your coat, But even wealthy women sewed their

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<v Speaker 1>underwhere their nightgowns, kids clothes. The idea that you just

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of things when they're torn, or when they're broken,

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<v Speaker 1>or when they're dirty was just unknown, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>partly because people understood the value of the labor that

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<v Speaker 1>went into making them. This is at a point before

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<v Speaker 1>there were very many general stores, and even if there

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<v Speaker 1>were general stores, how do you get to the general store.

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<v Speaker 1>An average farmer might have a horse, but the horses

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<v Speaker 1>working on pulling the plow. The horse is not free

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<v Speaker 1>to go into town because somebody decides that they want something,

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<v Speaker 1>So in a primarily agricultural society, they don't go to town.

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<v Speaker 1>The way people got stuff was that people came around

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<v Speaker 1>selling stuff, and they came around in the countryside peddler's

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<v Speaker 1>door to door salesman, slipping both new goods and material

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<v Speaker 1>for reuse. We're an integral part of a newly developing economy.

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<v Speaker 1>The kinds of things that the peddlers would carry would

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<v Speaker 1>be just basic things to live with, things to cook with,

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<v Speaker 1>things to build with, little things that we would not

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<v Speaker 1>even think of, sewing pins, hairpins, nails, the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we would think you would buy in a hardware store.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another kind of peddling that was organized by

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<v Speaker 1>tin manufacturers. Tin was used for small metal goods, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like funnels, watering cans, and tin manufacturers would organized peddlers

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<v Speaker 1>to go out in the countryside and sell their tin wear.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these people took stuff in trade two either

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<v Speaker 1>sell back to the person who had sold them the tinware,

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<v Speaker 1>or in some cases the tinware manufacturer might have hired someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the really great opportunity to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>papers of tin manufacturer, and he was called a master peddler.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was Marillo Noise. My father was a peddler.

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<v Speaker 1>His name he was your no and he hired peddlers

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<v Speaker 1>to sell his tin and to bring stuff back. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do what manufacturers now do, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for stuff to just go one way. So

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<v Speaker 1>Marilla Noise got really interested in what he could collect

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<v Speaker 1>from the households where his peddlers were going that he

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<v Speaker 1>could then sell. And he collected paper, rags, rubber bones,

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<v Speaker 1>and he collected metal. He had these little booklets that

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<v Speaker 1>would fit into his pocket. In those booklets he would

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<v Speaker 1>say things like, oh, so and so told me about

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<v Speaker 1>a manufacturer in New Jersey who's using old leather. So

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes to New Jersey and he visits the

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturer and he finds out what kinds of old leather

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<v Speaker 1>the manufacturer can use and he's using, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>can give his peddlars instructions to be bringing back that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff as well. He would send the peddlers out to

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<v Speaker 1>sell the stuff that he had loaded the wagons with,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also expected them to come back with full cards,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the price of keeping the peddler and the

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<v Speaker 1>horse alive would be distributed over both directions. The expansion

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<v Speaker 1>of peddling signals an important shift in American society towards

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<v Speaker 1>a culture of consumerism. The development of consumer culture requires

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<v Speaker 1>people to come to believe that stuff can come to

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<v Speaker 1>them and that we can get what we want. If

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<v Speaker 1>the peddlers hadn't been able to take stuff back, then

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<v Speaker 1>there wouldn't have been as much peddling, there wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>been as much new manufactured stuff out in the countryside.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally brought that system that was a two way

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<v Speaker 1>system and brought things, brought goods, brought stuff into people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I could see the workings of a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen entree recycling system that so many things that could

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<v Speaker 1>not be used in the household did get sent back

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<v Speaker 1>to factories to be used again to make other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Metal is an obvious thing because it can be melted down.

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<v Speaker 1>But rags, for example, we're used in papermaking. Before the Revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't a lot of paper made in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was a lot of energy put into creating

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<v Speaker 1>domestic paper manufacturers and saving rags cotton rags and linen

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<v Speaker 1>rags for making paper. That's recycling, that's making something out

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<v Speaker 1>of something that's previously manufactured. It's really difficult for us

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine the spareness of life. The very idea to

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<v Speaker 1>get a tea kettle, something that will boil your water,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a separate object from the pot you're cooking your

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<v Speaker 1>beans in. Those very ideas were really new for most people,

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<v Speaker 1>especially given that the houses that survived the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>we tour as tourists, or the houses of the most

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<v Speaker 1>fabulously wealthy people in America, even they were sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark at night. Whale oil, which was the major

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<v Speaker 1>source before kerosene, it was expensive. Candles were expensive. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a French saying I've seen it translated in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteenth century books, about something being not worth the candle.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this book good enough for me to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>the candle that's gonna light my ability to read it?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I going to put it away and go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep and maybe look at it tomorrow. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like people were lighting up their lives the way

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<v Speaker 1>we light up our lives. And I think we have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time imagining just how spare life was for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late eighteen hundreds, there was a wave of

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<v Speaker 1>migration in the United States away from the countryside and

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<v Speaker 1>towards cities. It became possible to feed the country with

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<v Speaker 1>fewer people and jobs in factories looked attractive, and city

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<v Speaker 1>life looked attractive to a lot of people, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they went in the countryside. It's much easier to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what to do with stuff if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want it. There's some corner of the farm where you

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<v Speaker 1>can dump things. There's just a lot more ability to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of stuff, to the extent that you even

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<v Speaker 1>want to get rid of stuff, because there's also more

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<v Speaker 1>ability to use things. The example of making soap is

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<v Speaker 1>a good one in the city. If you're living in

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<v Speaker 1>an apartment, you may have ashes, you may have fat,

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<v Speaker 1>but where are you gonna make soap. You may not

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<v Speaker 1>have the space to use things, and you certainly don't

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<v Speaker 1>have space to dump things. So it becomes more and

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<v Speaker 1>more an issue for people living in cities as to

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<v Speaker 1>what they're gonna do with things that they don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of written evidence about people throwing stuff out windows,

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<v Speaker 1>But what are you going to do with things? Vary it,

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<v Speaker 1>burn it, throw it in a ravine if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>ravine nearby, throw it in a body of water. Those

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<v Speaker 1>were the choices. With more people in their trash packed

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<v Speaker 1>together in tighter spaces, came increasing risks of disease. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole question of public health starts to become salient as

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<v Speaker 1>there's this huge series of epidemics yellow fever, cholera in

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<v Speaker 1>city after city throughout the nineteenth century, and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>yet have the germ theory of disease. They don't quite

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<v Speaker 1>yet know about viruses and bacteria, but they do start

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<v Speaker 1>developing an understanding that filth has something to do with disease,

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<v Speaker 1>that bad water has something to do with disease, that

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<v Speaker 1>filth has something to do with bad water. More people

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<v Speaker 1>got sick where people were crowded in that they could

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<v Speaker 1>see They could see it perfectly clearly. In the early

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century in cities, there were sewers, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>also out houses. There were people living in tenements where

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<v Speaker 1>the one flush toilet would be in the courtyard. Sewers

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<v Speaker 1>and water were the things that created the whole notion

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<v Speaker 1>of what a municipal concern might be about infrastructure and

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<v Speaker 1>about public health. These concerns would be addressed by a

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<v Speaker 1>major advancement that we all too often take for granted today,

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<v Speaker 1>municipal trash collection. What it looked like was those same

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<v Speaker 1>people who had campaign to get sewers and water into

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<v Speaker 1>cities started campaigning to get municipal trash collection. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the nine these in the biggest cities, New York

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<v Speaker 1>because it was the biggest city. The problem was the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest and it kind of led the way in municipal

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<v Speaker 1>services for collecting waste. Now, what they did with the

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<v Speaker 1>trash ones that was collected, we may not have such

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<v Speaker 1>happy feelings about. In New York, it was put on

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<v Speaker 1>barges and taken out into the ocean and dumped in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. It was used to create landfill. The ashes, particularly,

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<v Speaker 1>but also other kinds of trash were used for landfill.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is trashes then and now hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the most obvious things to do with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want just to burn it, to bury it,

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<v Speaker 1>or to dump it. Those are the big three that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do on your farm, or you can do

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<v Speaker 1>in a big way in a big city. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're burning all the trash for a big city, then

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<v Speaker 1>you need some kind of fancy incinerator. You can't just

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<v Speaker 1>do it in the backyard. They were not attractions that

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<v Speaker 1>people wanted to have in their midst So facilities were

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<v Speaker 1>built on the edges of town, and facilities were built

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<v Speaker 1>where people were too poor to effectively complain about the

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<v Speaker 1>hazards to their health. We're here today on a march

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<v Speaker 1>to the Detroit incinerator Um, and we're calling for clean air,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly for the communities that are close to the incenterator

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<v Speaker 1>and are particularly affected by the particular from the burning trash.

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<v Speaker 1>And I should say that in those early municipal household

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<v Speaker 1>trash collections, there was separation of different kinds of trash

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<v Speaker 1>to be used for recycling. The same kinds of things

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<v Speaker 1>that people had been recyclinging for many decades were separated out.

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<v Speaker 1>Do people start thinking about their materials in a different

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<v Speaker 1>way because of trash collection. Once you have a municipal

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<v Speaker 1>trash collection, then throwing something away becomes a possibility. Before

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<v Speaker 1>municipal trash collection, you either store it in your house

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<v Speaker 1>or you somehow or other get it out of your house.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're going to get it out of your house,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to figure out where out of your house.

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<v Speaker 1>And municipal trash collection gives you a brand new option,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just get rid of it. It makes it

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<v Speaker 1>a black box. Before then you've got to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what to do with it. And if you're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>it down to the river and dump it in the river,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to dump it in the river, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna know that it went in the river. If you

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<v Speaker 1>put it in the can and you take the can

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<v Speaker 1>to the curb. Who knows what happens to it. It's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not the sense of reciprocity about it. There's not

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<v Speaker 1>the bargaining about I mean, when the peddler comes around

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got your bit of rags and your bit

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<v Speaker 1>of rubber and your bit of metal, and you are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the tea cattle and the pins and some nails,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole bargaining process that's going to go on

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<v Speaker 1>between you and the peddler to figure out who gets

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<v Speaker 1>what and what gets exchanged. Once you have municipal trash collection,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no exchange. It's literally about getting rid of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>These new systems of disposal dovetail not coincidentally with major

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<v Speaker 1>developments and mass manufacturing. It simply became possible to buy

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff that hadn't been possible to buy before.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of it is because there's more and more

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<v Speaker 1>stuff being manufactured in factories, and some of it is

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<v Speaker 1>because there's all kinds of new distribution methods. Even people

0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.880
<v Speaker 1>in the countryside can buy things from the Sears catalog

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and the Montgomery Ward catalog and get them shipped to

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<v Speaker 1>their houses. What are you reading these years catalogs. That

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:17.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds exciting, you'd be surprised. The Post Office actually made

0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.399
<v Speaker 1>it possible for things to be shipped to your house

0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 1>even if you lived in the country Rural Free Delivery RFD,

0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 1>so you didn't have to come into town and pick

0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.000
<v Speaker 1>something up at the train station. It would be shipped

0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to your house suddenly, and really it was sudden. All

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of the goods of the new manufacturing were available to

0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.320
<v Speaker 1>consumers if they used these companies, and they did use

0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.320
<v Speaker 1>those companies, and they used those companies for the same

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>reasons that people use Amazon, because everything was available and

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it was easy to get. In the nine twenties, lots

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and lots of appliances started to be produced, and many

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 1>of these had been patented earlier, but it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties and the relative prosperity of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties that the large numbers of people started to buy

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.800
<v Speaker 1>these things. At first, it was small appliances, things like

0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 1>toasters and irons. By the end of the nineteen twenties,

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 1>refrigerators were available to wealthy people. Everything in its place.

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 1>That's easy with my printed air cold pantry. Even after

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the depression, started. They were sold on the installment plan

0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 1>with the promise that you could save money. You could

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.920
<v Speaker 1>buy things on sale and keep them longer in your refrigerator.

0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.120
<v Speaker 1>We think of the depression as a time when nobody

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:54.639
<v Speaker 1>had anything, but if there's a twenty unemployment rate, that

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:59.880
<v Speaker 1>means of the people have jobs. It's not like more

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.440
<v Speaker 1>people had lots and lots of money, but they did

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:10.560
<v Speaker 1>have some money, and both refrigerators and radios were appliances

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that became big during the thirties. Another consumer good flooding

0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the market in this era was, of course, the automobile.

0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Henry Ford, who not only introduced the assembly line and

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<v Speaker 1>a certain new kind of manufacturing in that respect, he

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 1>also introduced a theory of employment that he called the

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 1>five dollar day. He wanted to pay workers well enough

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 1>that they could buy automobiles, but not everybody has a

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 1>million dollars to ride the economy is what they want.

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 1>He envisioned a time when it would not just be

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>rich people, and over the course of the twenties, automobiles

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<v Speaker 1>got cheaper and the used automobile market started to develop,

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<v Speaker 1>So by the end of the twenties it's fair to

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<v Speaker 1>say that there are large numbers of people brought in

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:17.959
<v Speaker 1>cars with this version, and consumer culture came an onslaught

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of disposable goods. At the beginning of the twentieth century,

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 1>paper cups starts to be the first big thing because

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 1>people are out in cities more and they're drinking publicly.

0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.199
<v Speaker 1>She knows that dickte cups, they were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>extra glasses to waste. She knows that dicknecup means there's

0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 1>less of breaking glasses. And you know too that drinking

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.640
<v Speaker 1>from a Dicte cup is more sanitary because everyone has

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 1>his own individual cups. Again, there's this concern about public

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>health as the germ theory starts to be accepted, So

0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 1>there's the introduction of paper cups for sanitary purposes. Other

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 1>kinds of paper goods and disposable goods are being introduced,

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>but they're not super popular. They really require a whole

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:20.360
<v Speaker 1>different mindset. The idea that you have something, you use

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>it once, and you throw it away. That's like a

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>brand new idea. And there are certain kinds of disposable

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 1>things like bottles, caps and razor blades that we don't

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:37.120
<v Speaker 1>think of. But starting in the eight nineties, bottle caps

0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>and razor blades, start to give people the idea that

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 1>this one time used then toss it might be a

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>good way to live your life. In a moment of

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<v Speaker 1>changing attitudes around creation and disposal, everything got ratcheted up

0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>during more time. One of its is to remember about

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>World War One is that the United States was not

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<v Speaker 1>in it for very long. The Republic must awaken, the

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:13.679
<v Speaker 1>people must understand our safety lies in pull realization. The

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.199
<v Speaker 1>faith of the nations and the safety of the world

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 1>will be decided on the western battlefront of Europe. The

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>United States didn't get into it until nineteen seventeen, and

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:28.720
<v Speaker 1>the war was over in nineteen eighteen. They were instituting programs,

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>but they never really got a chance to get that far.

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>World War two they were full blown. Only men went

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<v Speaker 1>to war, so there was a huge amount of propagandizing

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<v Speaker 1>around various kinds of what we would call recycling drives

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that were called scrap drives at the time. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to report about another great American army and rolling one

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>in every four American the Army of organized education, boys

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and girls collect crap to build up our national stockpiles.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>There were school curricula that we're developed if this many

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.680
<v Speaker 1>pots and pans can make this many airplanes, then how

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:17.400
<v Speaker 1>many part you know that kind of word problem. They

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:24.679
<v Speaker 1>organized kids in their scout troops to collect materials, and

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 1>they militarized the talking about it. Practically all of us

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 1>have fats. Fats make ncroistans for shows. My father, who

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>was a physicist, during World War Two he served as

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<v Speaker 1>an army research facility. He said that he didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>think that the kinds of explosives that the household fats

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>could be used for actually were very common kinds of explosives,

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<v Speaker 1>so he, even during the war, thought that that fat

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<v Speaker 1>collection thing was mostly for propaganda purposes. More than a

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<v Speaker 1>million people are crowded into Washington in wartime, say, with

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<v Speaker 1>a peacetime population of half a million. The city was

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>never planned to accommodate such a huge, ever growing army

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<v Speaker 1>of workers. But Washington in wartime is people, people intent

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<v Speaker 1>on contributing their personal effort, people seeking information and advice

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes papers others to see history in the making.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a way of mobilizing the whole population to

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<v Speaker 1>be behind the war effort as much as it was

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<v Speaker 1>a way of collecting materials that could be used to

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>advance the war effort. You couldn't buy a new washing

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>machine or a new car during the war because the

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 1>factories that produced washing machines and cars had been converted

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>for war production. So people were experiencing these kinds of shortages.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was after ten years of depression. So now

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>people have money. They have money because they're working in

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the war factories. The economy is amped up, but there's

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>not stuff to buy, and the propaganda is saying you

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>should buy war bonds. The presidents now have the added

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>burden of printing billions of dollars worth of war bonds

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and steps to pay for the planes, hips and guns

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>that our defenders must have. Your husband's and your brothers

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and your uncle's are off there in Germany and Japan

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and doing their part, and you've got to do your part.

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>And your part is to not buy stuff and give

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>your medal to the government and not complain about it.

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Saving is as easy as squandering. You'll give us the scrap.

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<v Speaker 1>We will turn it into tanks, we will turn it

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>into plane we'll turn it into jeeps, we'll turn it

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>into guns. Then our fighting men will have enough and

0:27:52.480 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>on time. The American consumer economy brought with it a

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 1>new buzzword, convenience. The twentie century promises life is going

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to be easy for everybody. When we think about it,

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>it's really about the physical body. We shouldn't have to

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>work very hard, we shouldn't have to use our muscles

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>very much. We should live like the kings and queens

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of old. That's what convenience is about. We should be

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>able to exchange money for this feature of goods that

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>will make our lives easy. The products are going to

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>make it that way, and disposable products are particularly going

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>to make it that way. If something is disposable, you

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>don't have to wash it, you don't have to clean it,

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to worry about it. You can toss

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>it away. Where is a way? Nobody knows where a

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>way is. A big part of this shift in thinking

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>was demonstrated and how manufacturers began packaging their products. Manufacturers

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>stop selling you a thing, and they start selling a

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>new kind of product, which is that thing in its package.

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<v Speaker 1>From their standpoint, the advantage of selling ivory soap in

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>a wrapper is that you can write ivory on the

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>outside of it, and then the consumer is going to

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>go to the store and ask for Ivory soap, and

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the retailer has to get it from Procter and Gamble,

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to personal size. Ivory so white

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>looks pure, even smell pure, my pleasure loving side a

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>door did in the bath. So that's the reason why

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that new kind of product comes into being, because the

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>product in a package can be branded, and the product

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>outside of a package cannot be branded. Woven into these

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>trends was the concept of fashion, fashion and material goods

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>suggests that there's something beyond the way that the product

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>does its job that you should be paying attention to.

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Luxury is a warm towel gently touching your skin, making

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>you feel soft, special, even a little bit spoiled. There's

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of introduction of things that used to be

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>available in black or in white, and now they're available

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>in color. No longer do you have to have just

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>white towels. Now you can have towels and a whole

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of different colors. And it may be the fashion

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>this year to have blue towels. So it becomes a

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>way of selling more goods by making things that are

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>not yet rags, but they're out of fashion, they're no

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>longer good see these two portable radios, Well watch this letter. Sorry, Brandy,

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>you old file portable to have to go, But look

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>at our new r C A Victor portable radio tangled

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>up with fashion is a term you hear a lot today.

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<v Speaker 1>Obsolescence the idea that the product, for various reasons is

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>destined to become obsolete. The idea that obsolescence is baked

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>into the product really comes from all of us living

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lives that are surrounded by products of technological processes that

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>are beyond on what we can understand. Phones when they

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>were originally introduced, were made to last. Then Bell Systems

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>started introducing fashion phones and different princess phones, different kinds

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of phones. Now there's this proliferation of options, and it's

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>possible to understand that you have a funky old phone

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>or you have the newest and fanciest phone. There's such

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a range of phone possibilities that literally didn't used to exist.

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Contrary to what you might imagine, not every manufacturer was

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>greedily rubbing their hands behind the idea of planned obsolescence.

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Henry Ford was really opposed to the notion of changing models.

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>To change the model of an automobile requires changing the

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>whole auction process. Every change is going to mean a

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>change not just in what gets sold, but a change

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in how it's made. So General Motors gets this idea

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>of having an annual model change. That new model can

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:19.479
<v Speaker 1>be advertised and people can get excited about the new model.

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>There he comes now and his very old mobile. It's

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a futuramic Goals mobile with the newest push button features,

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>automatic windows, automatic top, just pull a handy control and

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>before you've had time to admire the smooth, blowing futuramic

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>lines of this real post War Olds mobile, the top

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>is down automatically. And furthermore, they start producing cars in

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>colors and Ford is just still chugging along, producing a

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Model T that gets technologically better. As the years go

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<v Speaker 1>on and Ford starts losing market share and General Motors

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>is gaining it. By the end of the nineteen twenties,

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Ford realizes he can no longer do this, and he

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>closed down his auto plants to produce the new model

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>A Ford. Now he's producing in color, and he's got

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>several different models, and it becomes the model for everything

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>else too. When is Apple going to reveal its new

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>computers and it's new iPhone, there's like all this hub

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>around the introduction of all the new stuff. One of

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the biggest takeaways from Waste and Want, Susan's book on

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the History of trash is that all of this production, consumption,

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and disposal is inextricably connected. You can't separate trash in

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a consumer culture from the production process, from the distribution process.

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>It's all of a piece. My major interest is in

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the relationship that we in our private lives have with

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the economic system and the production system, and the advertising

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>and marketing systems. And now there's a new camera by

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<v Speaker 1>Code Act. It's just the nicest one I know to

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<v Speaker 1>have around the house. And the distribution system and the

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<v Speaker 1>system is not just about the parts that we see.

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<v Speaker 1>In the same way that we don't see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to our trash after it goes away, we also don't

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<v Speaker 1>see where our stuff came from before it got to

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<v Speaker 1>the store or to the website. It's not like we're

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of starting to imagine that the stuff we use

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<v Speaker 1>gets produced. We kind of know it, But the whole

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<v Speaker 1>business of production, unless we happen to know people who

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<v Speaker 1>work in the factory, it's like a black box to us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like something we just don't know about. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other end, once we take it to the curb, we

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<v Speaker 1>see the guys come by, we see them put it

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<v Speaker 1>in that truck, and then what happens. We don't know

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<v Speaker 1>it's gone. So stuff comes, stuff goes. Do we make

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<v Speaker 1>more trash now than we used to? Certainly we must

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<v Speaker 1>write we make much more trash than we used to,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world of packaging and disposals for starters, But

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<v Speaker 1>also we have so many more technologically complicated goods in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives. Appliances, communications, things, computers, phones, all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens to our trash now? It varies from place

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<v Speaker 1>to place. Baltimore has a big incinerator that is a

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<v Speaker 1>waste to energy incinerator. Landfills are becoming problematic in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States because there isn't space for them without places

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<v Speaker 1>that are close to the largest metropolitan areas, So the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff has to be shipped long distances to get to

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<v Speaker 1>places where there are landfill facilities. Literally, what happens to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff depends on where you are in the time leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to writing this book, What were the attitudes conversations

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<v Speaker 1>about trash and the environment? You sort of remember in

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<v Speaker 1>your site, guys, trash is kind of a foreboting topic.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first told people I was writing a book

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<v Speaker 1>about trash, most of them laughed, and people still laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little hard for me to feel that my

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<v Speaker 1>life's work is so funny, But I think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>precisely my life's work to take these issues of daily

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<v Speaker 1>life that are regarded as private and as trivial and

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<v Speaker 1>bring them out into the light and examine them in

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<v Speaker 1>ways that help people to understand that they're not private

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and that therefore, by definition, they are not trivial.

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<v Speaker 1>My only other question, it's just about hope. Like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you've walked down the street, you look at all the

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<v Speaker 1>trash everywhere, at least I live in a city, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's full of track, it's real trashy, overflowing trash cans,

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>litter everywhere, under bridges in streets. And then also like

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<v Speaker 1>just being in the time in place that I grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>and just position in the middle of this consumer world

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<v Speaker 1>where I feel like I'm being Everything is branded and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being sold to all the time, and I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>being told that I need new products and different products.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got to change this product for that product.

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<v Speaker 1>It can feel like overwhelming and I don't know you're responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you use to not feel hopeless in that situation?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what grounds you to uh make smart decisions about

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<v Speaker 1>consumption and waste. The study of history, it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like traveling. You go to a foreign country and you

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that there are other ways to be human. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that way about the study of the past

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<v Speaker 1>as well, that there are other ways to be human

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<v Speaker 1>than the ways that we live in the twenty one century.

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<v Speaker 1>And frankly, the environmental issues that go way beyond climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>that have to do with pollution of various kinds, that

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<v Speaker 1>have to do with the eradication of so many species.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to find other ways of being human than

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<v Speaker 1>the ways that we have because this one isn't working.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is destroying the planet that we live on.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is eating our launch. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go backwards in time. We're not going to live the

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<v Speaker 1>way people did in the nineteenth century. We don't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have been raised in the first centuries. Can't

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know how. But for me, the study of

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<v Speaker 1>the past suggests that there will be other ways to

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<v Speaker 1>be human in the future. This episode of Ephemeral was

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<v Speaker 1>written and assembled by Max and Alex Williams, with producer

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor Young, and special thanks to our friend Sarah Wasserman.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Strasser is the author of Never Done, a History

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<v Speaker 1>of American Housework, Satisfaction Guaranteed, The Making of the American

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<v Speaker 1>mass Market, and Ways and Want a Social History of Trash.

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