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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
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Speaker 1: In the United States, this is Thanksgiving week, and as
Speaker 1: we always like to say in our listener mail segment,
Speaker 1: we are so thankful fellow conspiracy realists that you have
Speaker 1: joined up with us. We are going to have follow
Speaker 1: ups to the Tyson recall. We're going to answer or
Speaker 1: explore would be the more accurate term, some questions about
Speaker 1: global history. And before we do any of that, or
Speaker 1: on the way to doing that, we thought we'd switch
Speaker 1: it up in listen to some.
Speaker 4: Voicemails, yeah, which includes some of those topics. But guys,
Speaker 4: before we even do that. This week on Strange News,
Speaker 4: we talked about a little airplane incident where a plane
Speaker 4: had to turn around because of some damage to some windows.
Speaker 4: I'm just throwing an extra strange news right on top,
Speaker 4: right here. It's super quick. There was recently a Boeing
Speaker 4: seven forty seven plane that had to land, do an
Speaker 4: emergency landing and return because a horse escaped inside the plane.
Speaker 3: Weblight. Yeah it was this an okay go video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was an okay go video made real.
Speaker 1: Or the John mullaney bit about the horse in the
Speaker 1: hospital but in the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tired all these MF and horses on my
Speaker 4: MF and plane. Anyway, you can actually go there are
Speaker 4: a couple of places you can go online to hear
Speaker 4: the air traffic contryroll audio of the horse escape moment.
Speaker 4: So do check that out.
Speaker 3: You can lead a horse to never mind moving on
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: Hartsville Jackson Airport is, yes, where you'd say so. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let's jump to the phone lines, and we're gonna hear
Speaker 4: a voicemail that is a response to the strange news
Speaker 4: segment we did on the chicken nuggets recall horrifying thing. Ben,
Speaker 4: Just before we get into it, let's go quickly give
Speaker 4: a recap of what that story was about.
Speaker 1: Sure, the giant food manufacturer Tyson recently recalled a great deal,
Speaker 1: well not a great deal, but a significant amount thirty
Speaker 1: thousand pounds or so of chicken nuggets, specifically the Dinosa
Speaker 1: roughly dinosaur shaped fun nuggets, due to a It was
Speaker 1: voluntary recall due to a small amount of pliable metal
Speaker 1: articles found contaminating the nuggets.
Speaker 3: Yet they're pliable, what's the problem?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be fine. So there were actual injuries
Speaker 4: right associated with this recall. It's a serious thing. We
Speaker 4: just had somebody call in with some more information on it,
Speaker 4: with some experience. So here's a message from Lord of Enjoyment.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is a Lord of Enjoyment calling. I'm calling
Speaker 5: about you. Guys can use my voice and everything. By
Speaker 5: the way, I'm calling about the chicken nugget recall. I'm
Speaker 5: a truck driver. I've been driving refrigerated food and freight,
Speaker 5: I guess for a few years all over the country
Speaker 5: from all different shippers and receivers, Tyson being a pretty
Speaker 5: frequent one. So these people put out like the article,
Speaker 5: that's thirty thousand pounds of the chicken nuggets I got recalled.
Speaker 5: One trailer of chicken nuggets or meat or of anything
Speaker 5: is about forty to forty five pounds, So that's less
Speaker 5: than one trailer load of chicken nuggets, and one small
Speaker 5: plant could have like I don't know, hundreds of trailers
Speaker 5: going out every single day, twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 5: So that's like literally nothing that could be That's not
Speaker 5: even the day's worth of chicken nuggets that they sent
Speaker 5: out from one small plant. And there's like who knows
Speaker 5: how many plants that are like massive, so it's not
Speaker 5: really that big of a thing. And also about the
Speaker 5: chicken strips and the Tyson plants closing a year or
Speaker 5: two ago, that was due to a to a hacking
Speaker 5: incident where they were shut down because their infrastructure was compromised,
Speaker 5: like their software and everything. It wasn't due to like
Speaker 5: demand dropping or anything like that. So feel free to
Speaker 5: call me back, feel free to use my voice, enjoy everybody.
Speaker 3: That is illuminating because I had no sense of the
Speaker 3: scale of this kind of operation A And it also
Speaker 3: makes it make sense where it's like, Okay, this one
Speaker 3: batch got compromised, right.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly. I think the scale is the thing
Speaker 4: when you try and visual a plant that produces the
Speaker 4: stuff that becomes chicken nuggets, in my head at least.
Speaker 2: And I've seen the documentary footage, right, the how.
Speaker 4: It gets made, Oh it's made, how it's made, and
Speaker 4: all that stuff, Like, I see the scale within the factory,
Speaker 4: But I don't imagine that that much is pumped out
Speaker 4: and sent out to stores every day from one plant.
Speaker 3: Right. No, No, I certainly didn't. But it makes sense now.
Speaker 4: But then it becomes a matter of Okay, let's say
Speaker 4: we've got one truckload of contaminated product. Right, where did
Speaker 4: that truck go? You could probably track that, it seems like, right,
Speaker 4: and you'd be able to just recall that one truckload
Speaker 4: rather than putting out a whole like warning to everybody.
Speaker 1: One would imagine, I suppose it would, to your point,
Speaker 1: more of enjoyment. I suppose it would depend upon how
Speaker 1: many or how the plant distributes the product into trucks.
Speaker 2: Oh yep, that's.
Speaker 3: A good point, because they could be coming off of
Speaker 3: multiple different lines and then sort of converging into like
Speaker 3: a shoot that then is dumped into the tribe. Again,
Speaker 3: this doesn't make it. This is not how it's done.
Speaker 3: They have to be refigurated and packaged and all of
Speaker 3: that stuff. But you guys, have you ever gotten a
Speaker 3: foreign object ingested? A foreign object from prepackaged food or
Speaker 3: from like to go food ingested? I don't know, or
Speaker 3: close to Yeah, perhaps come close to like where you
Speaker 3: caught it and then you pulled it out of your mouth. Yeah, yeah, same,
Speaker 3: it's terrifying. I once pulled like a staple out of
Speaker 3: some sort of to go food.
Speaker 1: You gotta stop ordering the staplers.
Speaker 3: It's true, but like that's terrifying. And I understand how
Speaker 3: it's more about the optics of doing the massive recall
Speaker 3: than it is about maybe the smaller recall would do
Speaker 3: the trick. They need to make a big show of
Speaker 3: it because they're banking on people really taking their word
Speaker 3: that they're never gonna let this happen again, or they're
Speaker 3: like doing the big move to make this go away.
Speaker 3: I think it's really funny. If you guys have ever
Speaker 3: been to Ikea, they post all their recalls in the
Speaker 3: giant elevator. There's like an elevator, like a big one
Speaker 3: that you can take your giant flat packs and stuff,
Speaker 3: and there's always tons of little posted flyers talking about
Speaker 3: the items that they have recalled, and a lot of
Speaker 3: times it's like contained rocks, you know, like it's really
Speaker 3: funny how candid Ikea are about their recalls and how
Speaker 3: they put it like post it in the store like that.
Speaker 3: But it's again it's because of optics.
Speaker 4: I guess, well, yeah, it's like we talked about on
Speaker 4: the Strange News episode. If you imagine you're Tyson, you
Speaker 4: cannot take the risk that somebody else is going to
Speaker 4: get metal, right, they're in their child's mouth by giving
Speaker 4: their their kid a product that's really really freaky.
Speaker 2: And that whole the note.
Speaker 4: I don't even remember what Lord of Enjoyment is talking
Speaker 4: about with the Tyson in plant closing down the Chicken
Speaker 4: strips plant. I think it must have been when we
Speaker 4: did that episode on our like, is there an attack
Speaker 4: on the food supplies?
Speaker 1: It's it's possibly referencing that also, Lord of Enjoyment, I
Speaker 1: think you're referencing some of the previous mishaps that Tyson
Speaker 1: experienced and going back to the issue of scale. After
Speaker 1: a certain threshold, you have to accept that they're just
Speaker 1: going to be bad things that happen, right. That's why
Speaker 1: the FDA is saying it's okay to have a little
Speaker 1: bit of wrap poop in cereal not a bunch you guys.
Speaker 3: But we know mistakes happen.
Speaker 1: So there's nobody's going to be one hundred percent perfect,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That is another horrifying thing that I haven't considered, the
Speaker 4: fact that the software infrastructure that runs all the automated
Speaker 4: machinery in a factory could be attacked and then the
Speaker 4: whole thing shuts down only due to the fact that
Speaker 4: the software doesn't function to actually produce the stuff anymore
Speaker 4: and you can't get it to work anymore. Kind of
Speaker 4: reminds me of the infrastructure like attacks on water treatment
Speaker 4: plants that we talked about in power plants back in
Speaker 4: the day, but just with food manufacturing. I guess it's
Speaker 4: the same deal craziness.
Speaker 1: It's true in terms of tactics that could be exercised
Speaker 1: and points of vulnerability. However, food manufacturers, we could argue
Speaker 1: have a bit of an advantage because if you go
Speaker 1: to like power supplies have a little bit of redundancy, right,
Speaker 1: and wastewater management water management, there's redundancy there. The food
Speaker 1: supply of the United States, the way you think about
Speaker 1: it commercially, is a bunch of private entities, right that
Speaker 1: are all trying to have their turf or they're trying
Speaker 1: to encroach on other turf. You know, let's get into
Speaker 1: the other guy's dino chicken nugget business.
Speaker 2: Slang and nuggets, right, slanging nuggets.
Speaker 1: So they're all incentivized, I think, to to have their
Speaker 1: own kind of order of operations as much as possible.
Speaker 1: So like if you if someone flipped a switch for
Speaker 1: some reason, Let's say there's like a terrorist group that
Speaker 1: just wants to bring down Tyson Foods. If they do that,
Speaker 1: there are going to be other things, other entities that
Speaker 1: sell the same stuff that's just not Tyson, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So the food supplies I think a
Speaker 1: little bit more secure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4: I think I'm just imagining a coordinated effort to attack
Speaker 4: the food supply. If you hit factories like that, those
Speaker 4: the fear, right, Like in twenty twenty two, the fear
Speaker 4: was that food factories were under attack, but it felt
Speaker 4: more like a physical threat right at the time. In
Speaker 4: this case, it wouldn't have to be physical at all.
Speaker 4: It could be virtual, which is creepy.
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, the computers probably also, I think you're
Speaker 3: already saying this and sorry for being redune to probably
Speaker 3: control the mixture, you know, and the way the ingredients
Speaker 3: are blended and like all of that stuff. So you
Speaker 3: could like throw the ratio off or like you know,
Speaker 3: over deliver on one ingredient to make the thing like
Speaker 3: completely made of like fat or something. You know, like
Speaker 3: a million things you could do.
Speaker 4: Well, then the company wouldn't be able to package it
Speaker 4: and sell it, right, because they're at every factory that
Speaker 4: creates a food product, they test the line right from
Speaker 4: the lines of products.
Speaker 3: To the degree that they are legally required to do.
Speaker 2: So that's a really good point bench.
Speaker 3: Test the chicken nugget slurry.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, oh hot dogs come from us.
Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get to it.
Speaker 2: We'll get to it. Yeah, hot dogs. All right, Well,
Speaker 2: that's it for this segment. We will be right back.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Lord of Enjoyment for letting us
Speaker 4: know about all of that stuff, giving us that insight.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 1: And we have returned a quick disclaimer for this one, folks,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to use multiple sources and they all
Speaker 1: have to be anonymous. Thank you, anonymous sources. We know
Speaker 1: who you are. You know who you are, and you
Speaker 1: reached out to us. As we said to each of you,
Speaker 1: we're doing our best not to compromise your identity, nor
Speaker 1: your profession, or your prospects. We're going to follow up,
Speaker 1: Lord of Enjoyment. We're going to take a queue from
Speaker 1: you and hear some more from people with on the
Speaker 1: ground experience related to industrial food manufacturing and a lot
Speaker 1: of other consumable manufacturing as well. Heads up, if you
Speaker 1: are eating a snack while you hear this next story
Speaker 1: in our weekly listener mail segment, tell us tell us
Speaker 1: your experience of eating the snack. We're interested. So a
Speaker 1: lot of this comes to us via social media. Here
Speaker 1: is one source just pulled a bunch of excerpts so
Speaker 1: we can stop along the way and react to these.
Speaker 1: Their I opening and maybe off putting. So our first
Speaker 1: one starts this way. Okay, so off the record, I
Speaker 1: have first hand knowledge not only on the Tyson recall,
Speaker 1: but on many others. This source is responsible for a
Speaker 1: specific type of equipment, a couple of types of equipment
Speaker 1: that are used in production lines. One would be metal detectors,
Speaker 1: which are part of industrial food manufacturing, and the other
Speaker 1: is magnetic separation equipment. Have you guys heard of magnetic
Speaker 1: separation equipment?
Speaker 4: No, does sound Oh god, if we're time off food production,
Speaker 4: I'm imagine meat getting separated.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's not it.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking too, because it reminds me
Speaker 1: of the It reminds me of the ingredient list on
Speaker 1: some foods where you look at it and it says
Speaker 1: this includes mechanically separated chicken. Yeah, okay, So these, from
Speaker 1: what I understand, magnetic separators in general, if I'm getting
Speaker 1: this correct, we are net experts. Magnetic separators in general
Speaker 1: are designed to recover magnetic material from non magnetic matter.
Speaker 1: So if you think there might be some small pliable
Speaker 1: pieces of metal in your chicken paste or your hot
Speaker 1: dog slurry, then you run it through this kind of
Speaker 1: equipment that will be able to suck out the metal
Speaker 1: that reacts to the magnet.
Speaker 2: In the food production line.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, like on the way you know, Oh okay,
Speaker 1: not the final hopefully is before they cook it. And again,
Speaker 1: so that's what excerpt. Not the only person saying this.
Speaker 1: There were more people reporting that the problem or the
Speaker 1: issue goes bigger than this Tyson recall. Because to your point,
Speaker 1: Lord of enjoyment. Yeah, that's a very tiny slice of
Speaker 1: a very big pie. Shout out Dominoes. We had another
Speaker 1: source who says, guys, it's not just Tyson. Many many
Speaker 1: food manufacturers, pharmaceutical manufacturers, and chemical companies also have to
Speaker 1: use magnets and metal detectors because they remove components that
Speaker 1: might have snuck into the process, and they also remove
Speaker 1: fragments of blades.
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, I guess that makes sense because I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, the kind of equipment that we're talking about online,
Speaker 3: like that something could chip right, you know, or likely
Speaker 3: the tip of something could. I've certainly have you ever
Speaker 3: tried to open a can with the tip of a
Speaker 3: knife and broken the tip of the knife off, and
Speaker 3: then you'll let Well, I guess I'm not gonna eat
Speaker 3: this spaghetti sauce because there's a special surprise in there somewhere,
Speaker 3: and I don't really feel like sifting through spaghetti sauce
Speaker 3: by half. If only I had one of those magnetic
Speaker 3: extractors separations.
Speaker 1: Keep them separated. Shout out to who is that? What
Speaker 1: was that?
Speaker 3: The offspring?
Speaker 1: PhD and chemical engineering like a hot sauce impresario, many things,
Speaker 1: many things. Regular Dolph lundering that guy, so uh.
Speaker 3: Dolphin say regular Diddy Kong and I meant p Diddy carry.
Speaker 1: These are perfect, These are examples to aspire to. Uh So,
Speaker 1: we also learned from someone who is in the business,
Speaker 1: a different source, who said, here is how this is
Speaker 1: a business, because one of my questions was, is this
Speaker 1: not rarefied air? You know, like there are a few
Speaker 1: big companies who make most of the process chicken in
Speaker 1: the US. Are there not just a few companies who
Speaker 1: do like compliance with these kinds of standards and safeguards.
Speaker 1: It turns out that the way a lot of these
Speaker 1: folks get business is they read super sexy government reports
Speaker 1: on a pretty regular basis coming from the FDA. If
Speaker 1: you were recently reading a book and you thought this
Speaker 1: is too good, this is too much of a page turner.
Speaker 1: I need something to help me sleep, and I'm worried
Speaker 1: about contaminants and melatonin, then we highly recommend for tonight's
Speaker 1: Reading Rainbow segment that you check out the Food Defect
Speaker 1: Levels Handbook published on FDA dot gov. It is not
Speaker 1: a page turner and it will help you find some slumber.
Speaker 4: I think, oh dude, this is title twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is Matt's a big fan of Title
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yea previous episode, wasn't that something politically in the news
Speaker 2: like Title twenty one? Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like whenever there's a slow news day or a
Speaker 1: particularly meme level story that goes viral, then we that's
Speaker 1: when we get inundated by this very specific governmental language.
Speaker 1: And I've got to be honest, I don't know about you, guys,
Speaker 1: but I forget a lot of it because so much
Speaker 1: of it sounds so very similar.
Speaker 2: You know, Title twenty one is the thing.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong. It's the thing that we reference or
Speaker 4: we talked about it one time. Oh gosh, it was
Speaker 4: the it was Agenda twenty one or something like that.
Speaker 4: But then there was a real thing called there's a
Speaker 4: real thing called Title twenty one, which has to do
Speaker 4: with the allowable amounts of horrible stuff in food products, right.
Speaker 1: And Agenda twenty one is a United Nations thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, guys.
Speaker 1: It's like sports jerseys. You gotta differentiate your numbers. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're confusing the.
Speaker 3: Fans, so.
Speaker 1: Shout out, push your tea. So the actually that makes
Speaker 1: no sense. I'm shouting out a line from pusha T's
Speaker 1: Diet Coke song, which is great. You guys would love it.
Speaker 1: So let's continue with this idea. This tells us that
Speaker 1: there is an entire industry of people who are one
Speaker 1: source called ambulance chasing. They're waiting for the FDA to
Speaker 1: publish a cavalcade of recalls, and then they go to
Speaker 1: these companies and they say, hey, I heard you having
Speaker 1: a hard time, buddy. You got some like blue rubber pieces.
Speaker 1: You got some metals in your nuggets.
Speaker 3: That'll cost you extra.
Speaker 2: Ap is sure interested in that, or they would be.
Speaker 1: So it's weird too because the companies. The reason matten
Speaker 1: Or in that earlier thing is said, the reason we
Speaker 1: had to point out these companies are doing exactly what
Speaker 1: they are required to do by regulatory bodies. There's a
Speaker 1: source that pointed out, look, I often hear about these
Speaker 1: companies after something has happened. They are reactive rather than proactive.
Speaker 1: Nobody is saying, hey, let's make sure that in you know,
Speaker 1: the next five years, all our chicken nuggets are metal free.
Speaker 1: Let's do it right after something happens, and let's say, like,
Speaker 1: what's the good price to get us across the finish
Speaker 1: line this year.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, just shaking my head over Yeah, Matt.
Speaker 1: Shakes his head over here. Uh noel uh nol. How
Speaker 1: would how would you rate your emotional state with hearing this?
Speaker 3: Indifferent?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, uh, shocked and or odd. It's strange too.
Speaker 1: Because you know, this immediately reminded me I nobody, guys,
Speaker 1: but reminded me of a book called The Jungle.
Speaker 3: Well, sure, yeah, it comes up all the time. It's
Speaker 3: like the first expose blown the lid off of meat
Speaker 3: packing at a time where there was like zero oversight.
Speaker 3: That stuff's terrifying.
Speaker 2: Oh you, guys, we.
Speaker 4: Got a voice from someone who goes by Trucker Joey.
Speaker 2: Another trucker out there. Thanks to everybody on the road
Speaker 2: that's listening.
Speaker 3: It's his brother, Trader Joe, the Trader Joe and Trucker Joey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 4: Oh so he he at the very end of his
Speaker 4: message talks about going up to the break room at
Speaker 4: some of these meat processing facilities, specifically like slaughterhouses where
Speaker 4: cows and pigs get quote processed, and he describes this, Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't even want to say it. It's gonna upset people.
Speaker 4: He describes this blade that is like a V, like
Speaker 4: this really long V that the pigs are just attached
Speaker 4: by their their hoofs, their feet as they go up
Speaker 4: this conveyor belt, and their necks just kind of pass
Speaker 4: through this V that just like slices the whole thing on.
Speaker 4: It's just like was because they're alive when it happens.
Speaker 4: It's not like they're dead before.
Speaker 3: Wow, I thought, no, wait a minute, I thought they
Speaker 3: I thought imagine. I thought they let their throats and
Speaker 3: let them. Now, the only.
Speaker 1: Way, the only way you can know for sure if
Speaker 1: that happens is whether food. If food is rated halala
Speaker 1: or kosher.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, so, that's almost more like a
Speaker 3: bespoke way of killing the pig. You pay extra for that, right,
Speaker 3: Otherwise all bets are off and you're gonna have the
Speaker 3: freaking caligular murdered lawnmower machine.
Speaker 1: Well, local organic interest will we'll probably have a more
Speaker 1: quote unquote humane way of processing the animal. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the industrial food or livestock system is pretty horrific.
Speaker 1: And this goes to an excerpt from an expert who
Speaker 1: says the smell at these facilities is surreal. It's deathlike
Speaker 1: it's discussed, and you know everybody, well not everybody hopefully,
Speaker 1: but a lot of us listening know that death does
Speaker 1: have a smell. And there's a necessity to this widespread horror.
Speaker 1: The argument goes, because it is feeding not just the
Speaker 1: United States, but the world in an intricately connected global network.
Speaker 1: And do people want to know that the food they
Speaker 1: get at the grocery store goes through magnets or metal
Speaker 1: detectors or X ray machines. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people to your point, Noel would probably be indifferent if
Speaker 1: it was seen as a safety measure and if you
Speaker 1: knew that resulted in less dangerous delicacies.
Speaker 3: I was being demure. I'm not actually indifferent. I just
Speaker 3: it's easy to get numb to this stuff because it
Speaker 3: does feel so confounding and out of your control. I
Speaker 3: feel you.
Speaker 1: There's a one of the stories from a comedter that
Speaker 1: really stuck with me was seeing half alive birds on
Speaker 1: a process line. A process line being where you know
Speaker 1: the food is going through, So somehow.
Speaker 3: A bird you missed a few.
Speaker 1: A bird, Yeah that maybe it was a bird that
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be in the production line the same way.
Speaker 1: Like dolphins might get snacked up and fishing.
Speaker 3: Now you get an onion ring in your French fries. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is only much more macabre.
Speaker 1: One of these is a pigeon wing, right, and then
Speaker 1: what's the old line? Well, don't tell the other customers, sir,
Speaker 1: they'll be jealous. Another example would be so we did
Speaker 1: get a lot of responses for this. Another example would
Speaker 1: be Kraft Mac and Cheese had to recall from I
Speaker 1: guess one of their plants out in Illinois, and they
Speaker 1: were getting flakes of aluminum in the Easy Mac and
Speaker 1: Cheese cups because Craft was using something to like pre
Speaker 1: bake the product and it was depositing aluminum aluminum flakes
Speaker 1: inside the actual Mac and cheese.
Speaker 3: Y'all boil some water, for the love of God, boil
Speaker 3: some water. It's not that hard.
Speaker 1: I think we're all I think we're all on board
Speaker 1: with that, you know, in general, actually, if you want
Speaker 1: to be super safe and a little bit Howard Hughes
Speaker 1: about it, you should just be boiling.
Speaker 3: Water all the time.
Speaker 1: We're very likely to live in a place where you
Speaker 1: can drink it out of the tap. The last few things,
Speaker 1: the FDAIGHT. We talked about how they have a tolerated
Speaker 1: amount of insects. They have a tolerated amount of vermin
Speaker 1: feces or rat feces. I was not aware of this.
Speaker 1: They have apparently a tolerance for choke hazards. It is
Speaker 1: seven millimeters by twenty five millimeters.
Speaker 2: The otherwise you have to warn about it.
Speaker 1: Like otherwise you have to do something. Okay, So that
Speaker 1: is just if you want to take a sorry, i've
Speaker 1: got a cat on me, we can keep that part in.
Speaker 1: That is seven millimeters by twenty five millimeters is huge,
Speaker 1: especially if you consider that there would be younger people
Speaker 1: eating this stuff. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm going to read this to you because it's that
Speaker 4: time of year. Yeah, oh god, this exact FDAIGHT thing
Speaker 4: you're mentioning here Ben, for apple butter, here are the
Speaker 4: levels when it comes to mold, you are you are
Speaker 4: exceeding the limits of the acceptable mold. If there is
Speaker 4: a mold count of twelve percent or more, you're exceeding
Speaker 4: the rodent filth. If there is an average of four
Speaker 4: or more rodent hairs per one hundred grams of apple butter,
Speaker 4: and if there are an average of five or more
Speaker 4: whole or equivalent insects, not cloud yes, not counting mites, aphids, thrps,
Speaker 4: or scale insects per one hundred of because I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, well, you know there's probably a couple of court
Speaker 1: cases and email arguments about this where someone goes, look, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: if you add up all the mites, Okay, I get it,
Speaker 1: But is that fair to American business?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I just oh the broccoli stuff. Don't read this.
Speaker 2: Don't read this.
Speaker 1: Everybody read it while you're eating, right now, Get like
Speaker 1: a big can of like a stew something with a
Speaker 1: lot of ingredients, DENTI more preps and read this. And
Speaker 1: also know that mammalian poop is separated, sometimes not mechanically,
Speaker 1: but regulatory, separated from just rat poop. So rats are
Speaker 1: like the Kobe Bryant of pooping in your food.
Speaker 2: They've got mammalian poop listed here for cinnamon bark.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that just means it tastes like shit.
Speaker 3: It's not very Look, what's the takeaway here, y'all? We've
Speaker 3: all definitely consumed vcs before.
Speaker 1: As far as a takeaway, we have mentioned this in
Speaker 1: the past. The one last thing I wanted to shout
Speaker 1: out before we do a takeaway is our sources said, Look,
Speaker 1: hot dogs are made from a pumped hot dog paste,
Speaker 1: which is called slurry in the industry, So just think
Speaker 1: of that next time you have a hot dog. And
Speaker 1: now we get to our takeaway. Before we dive into
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Speaker 3: And We're back with one more message from you, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just jump right into reading it. Hi. I
Speaker 3: know the Palestinian Israeli conflict is super touchy and seems
Speaker 3: to make people very emotional and myopic, but I was
Speaker 3: wondering if you folks could discuss the Balfour Declaration and
Speaker 3: British mandate of Palestine. These are historical occurrences, not conspiracy theories,
Speaker 3: and you guys are awesome, but talking about things objectively,
Speaker 3: so hopefully it wouldn't be a controversial episode. Thanks stdwytk's
Speaker 3: Muslim fan. I love the way that's written. It's like
Speaker 3: the implication is that we have one Muslim fan. I
Speaker 3: hope that's not true, but I do thank this listener
Speaker 3: for writing in and personally hipping me to a topic
Speaker 3: that I was woefully unfamiliar with. I don't know, let's
Speaker 3: just address the elephant in the room. It's true, the
Speaker 3: Palestinian Israeli conflict is super touchy and does many people
Speaker 3: very uncomfortable and can be very polarizing and hard to
Speaker 3: discuss because there's horrible things happening over there to women
Speaker 3: and children and people, civilians you know, who are getting
Speaker 3: caught in this crossfire that is a historical conflict between
Speaker 3: Israel and Palestine, and there seems to be a tendency
Speaker 3: to want to favor one side over the other, whether
Speaker 3: it be family ties, you know, religious ties, ethnic ties,
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. And I understand that, but at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, both sides are pretty seat
Speaker 3: and doing pretty terrible stuff. There's a question about Hamas
Speaker 3: at the very least, and the Israeli government, who have
Speaker 3: been doing things poorly for quite some time. It's a
Speaker 3: gnarly conflict. It's very complex and very rife, and what's
Speaker 3: going on right now is inexcusable and really really hard
Speaker 3: to see. And it's also hard to talk about because
Speaker 3: it is there's almost an insistence to come down, you know,
Speaker 3: on one side or the other and to you know,
Speaker 3: and to say this is what's right, this is this
Speaker 3: is who these are, who the good guys are, And
Speaker 3: I just have a hard time seeing quote unquote true
Speaker 3: good guys on either side. I think that Hamas is
Speaker 3: behaving and is is you know, conducting operations like a
Speaker 3: terrorist organization, but Israel is retaliating with such aggression and
Speaker 3: such just horrific violence and malice and disregard for you know,
Speaker 3: civilian life. I can't support them either, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But to our listener's point, I think it is a
Speaker 3: very interesting thing to just talk about the history of
Speaker 3: this and how far back this conflict goes and how
Speaker 3: it essentially resulted from imperialism, you know, from our colonialism.
Speaker 3: I guess rather, you know, on the side on the
Speaker 3: part of the British and that you know, after World
Speaker 3: War One and because of certain promises and diplomatic you know, rewards,
Speaker 3: I guess, like you know, how things are divvied up,
Speaker 3: the whole idea of to the victor go the spoils.
Speaker 3: This Balfour Declaration is a fascinating piece of literature. It's
Speaker 3: a letter. And Ben, we talked about this offline. This
Speaker 3: is something that you studied in school, you know, during
Speaker 3: your international affairs studies, and I was hoping you might
Speaker 3: lead us off. I've done some digging and research into
Speaker 3: it myself, but this is definitely something that's very much
Speaker 3: in your sphere of expertise. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: So on November two, we just passed the anniversary of
Speaker 1: what is called the Balfour Declaration. In nineteen seventeen, then
Speaker 1: Foreign Secretary for the British, guy named Lord Arthur James
Speaker 1: Balfour wrote a letter to Lord Walter Roth's child and
Speaker 1: it's a very short letter.
Speaker 3: It is of the Rothschild.
Speaker 1: Rothschild's right, Just running that out there, okay, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the letter just the following, and again, this is a
Speaker 1: This is a letter from two aristocrats, or from one
Speaker 1: to another. It says, His Majesty's government views with favor
Speaker 1: the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the
Speaker 1: Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate
Speaker 1: the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that
Speaker 1: nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
Speaker 1: religious rights of existing non Jewish communities in Palestine, or
Speaker 1: the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews any other countries.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's making three promises, and you could
Speaker 1: say they're kind of necessarily vague. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: it's a it's a short letter, like that's the bulk
Speaker 1: of the letter. And again, you know, it might be
Speaker 1: surprising to some people that this was written in nineteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: so this is well before World War Two.
Speaker 3: That's right. But it had to do with like rewarding
Speaker 3: assistance overthrowing the Ottoman Turks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Auto Empire. They were a huge force
Speaker 1: for a while, but the Ottoman Empire is no longer
Speaker 1: around today, despite whatever barnstorming speeches erdigon. Who is the
Speaker 1: leader of Turkey right now might make the Ottoman Empire
Speaker 1: street named Turkish Empire. Back in the day, it was
Speaker 1: a huge, huge deal, and they controlled the part of
Speaker 1: the Middle East pre World War One that the British
Speaker 1: took over.
Speaker 3: And then you know, the French were involved too, and
Speaker 3: it was really all about kind of carving up the Levant,
Speaker 3: you know, carving up this piece of very oil rich
Speaker 3: land in advance, kind of making deals to divvy up
Speaker 3: this land and literally writing checks that they couldn't cash
Speaker 3: because the British didn't own or operate or have any
Speaker 3: claim to this land that was occupied by indigenous you
Speaker 3: know people, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they also, I mean, yes, the British were again
Speaker 1: very much colonial, as you said, imperialistic power, and the
Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire, in their view, had already fumbled because they
Speaker 1: sided with what we're called the Central Powers in World
Speaker 1: War One. The Central Powers are Germany, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria,
Speaker 1: and the Ottoman Empire, even though it was in decline
Speaker 1: at this point, was a very big player in Eurasia.
Speaker 1: The Levant, you know, the Middle East entire got it.
Speaker 3: And I also just want to say too, like I mean,
Speaker 3: I I think we mentioned this where we discussed this
Speaker 3: a little bit off air. I think one reason that
Speaker 3: this stuff is very polarizing is because people either have
Speaker 3: incredibly strong opinions one way or the other, or they
Speaker 3: don't know enough and feel terrified they're going to say
Speaker 3: the wrong thing. So I would air on the side
Speaker 3: of asking questions, being open about not knowing all the
Speaker 3: things as I am trying to be. I only just
Speaker 3: recently realized that Zionism was sort of a political persuasion,
Speaker 3: or at the very least a political movement that had
Speaker 3: that sprang up around this time, which was you know,
Speaker 3: very much spearheaded by folks like the Rothschilds or this
Speaker 3: wroth Child in particular. The idea that the Jewish people
Speaker 3: deserved a state of their own is that, right, Ben,
Speaker 3: Is as simple as that? Or is there more nuance
Speaker 3: to it than that that I'm missing the idea of Zionism.
Speaker 1: It's much more complex, to be absolutely honest, like there is.
Speaker 1: There is a great deal of nuance regarding that, in
Speaker 1: terms of which historical explanations one accepts, in terms of
Speaker 1: which perspectives one adopts, and throughout the problem is with
Speaker 1: that discourse, throughout all of it there is a continual
Speaker 1: tenor of Islamophobia, of anti Semitism, of racism and discrimination.
Speaker 1: So it can be very difficult. So when we I
Speaker 1: love your point about asking questions and good faith, that's
Speaker 1: what we must endeavor to do. We know that we
Speaker 1: know for a fact that the Balfour Declaration, the consequences
Speaker 1: of it and the intent of it, they're still up
Speaker 1: for debate today, even in twenty twenty three. I mean
Speaker 1: the British government. We know that they were hoping this
Speaker 1: would galvanize American entry into World War One, and I.
Speaker 3: Believe the British government the very least kind of stands
Speaker 3: by it and borderline celebrates it, and that folks would
Speaker 3: consider themselves Zionists also consider it to be a positive thing,
Speaker 3: the thing that led to the formation of the Jewish state,
Speaker 3: you know, of Israel. But also the point is that
Speaker 3: a lot of folks you know, will debate on this,
Speaker 3: is that the the British promised a piece of land
Speaker 3: that they did not have the right to promise, and
Speaker 3: then they went through their typical kind of colonizing path
Speaker 3: and essentially committed ethnic cleansing, you know, and and wanted
Speaker 3: to just get rid of an inconvenient people in order
Speaker 3: to keep a promise to who they viewed as very
Speaker 3: important allies.
Speaker 1: Yeah to at first point they called it the British
Speaker 1: Mandate for Palestine. That's right, right, Yeah, And maybe we
Speaker 1: can talk a little bit. We were mentioning this off air.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about how it seems the
Speaker 1: United Kingdom was selling a lot of different things to
Speaker 1: a lot of different people.
Speaker 3: You mentioned, yeah, the French, like, well, again there was
Speaker 3: the French had had suffered greatly, you know, because of
Speaker 3: their participation in the Great War, and they wanted something
Speaker 3: in return, right, Yeah, it's I know I'm simplifying, but
Speaker 3: I think it's important to sort of simplify a little
Speaker 3: bit so that people can at least there's the lower
Speaker 3: the barrier of entry, and then once you kind of
Speaker 3: get your head around, and then you can go in
Speaker 3: and dig deeper. And there is so much nuance. So
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's a hard thing to discuss.
Speaker 3: But I'm just trying to break the ice a little
Speaker 3: bit for me at least, you know, And please any
Speaker 3: listeners if I'm coming off sounding like an idiot on
Speaker 3: any of this, I'm coming from a place I'm coming
Speaker 3: at it from a place of wanting to understand.
Speaker 1: You don't sound like an idiot.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are having the same questions,
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes it can be scary to ask
Speaker 1: those questions in good faith.
Speaker 3: Well, Matt, you've been a little bit quiet, and I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to put you on the spot. And I
Speaker 3: know you know we've talked off air about how difficult
Speaker 3: some of this stuff can be. But do you have
Speaker 3: any questions? Are there any things that you would love
Speaker 3: like a little clarification and that might help you feel
Speaker 3: more comfortable talking about this or I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that you even have to do that or
Speaker 3: should feel that way. I'm just I'm curious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't force me to talk about it and want
Speaker 4: to No, I mean, I yeah, this is my job.
Speaker 4: I am quite frankly uncomfortable talking out loud about this
Speaker 4: because I don't feel that I know as much as
Speaker 4: I should.
Speaker 2: Before I open my mouth.
Speaker 4: Right right before this, we were in a corporate training
Speaker 4: and one of our colleagues that we respect and care
Speaker 4: about a whole lot raised their hand and said, Hey,
Speaker 4: I just want everyone to know this. We were In
Speaker 4: a sharing moment in this training that we were doing,
Speaker 4: this person said, I am of Jewish descent, and it
Speaker 4: I am very uncomfortable with how, you know, everything is going.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 4: It was just this person was very honest and expressed
Speaker 4: that nothing feels good about what's happening right now on
Speaker 4: any side.
Speaker 2: This is horrible, This is awful, and all.
Speaker 4: I want to do is not talk about it, but
Speaker 4: I guess we need to. I think that's maybe how
Speaker 4: I feel right now. I just I'm in the stage
Speaker 4: where I don't know what to even say.
Speaker 3: I totally understand, and I think, you know, you've even
Speaker 3: gotten some emails and some communications of people saying, ah,
Speaker 3: you know, very conspicuously quiet on the you know, the
Speaker 3: Palestine Israel issue, and first of.
Speaker 2: All, they're not going to listen anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh that's not true. We have talked about it and
Speaker 3: in ways that feel appropriate, but it also is so big.
Speaker 3: Does it feel appropriate to do a conspiracy episode on
Speaker 3: this even like it feels capitalizing in some way. I
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe That's what I'm trying to avoid here, too,
Speaker 3: is like dancing around being politically correct so much that
Speaker 3: you actually don't accomplish anything, because I don't think we
Speaker 3: ever are capitalizing on anything when we do these topics.
Speaker 3: We're genuinely curious. We're genuinely trying to understand the world
Speaker 3: better and and and help folks around us to understand
Speaker 3: the world better hopefully, So I don't see it that
Speaker 3: way at all, But there is this pressure to like
Speaker 3: talk about it and to have a stance.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing we all have to remember collectively, and
Speaker 1: this goes for every conspiracy realist tuning in, all of
Speaker 1: us on the show, everybody who makes this show happen,
Speaker 1: is that to a large degree, social media has been weaponized.
Speaker 1: So I was talking about this over on Twitter. It
Speaker 1: must inherently be considered another theater of conflict. Now, in
Speaker 1: going forward to the point about feeling like it is
Speaker 1: somehow wrong to say I do not know enough about this,
Speaker 1: I would like to learn, there is nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: Humans are great at learning. It is one of the
Speaker 1: primary superpowers of the species. And as we said when
Speaker 1: we first covered this newest iteration of this very long conflict,
Speaker 1: people have more in common with each other than they
Speaker 1: have differences, Right, you have more commonalities than you will
Speaker 1: ever have differences, and that is simply part of that
Speaker 1: is a result of evolution, right of biology and so on,
Speaker 1: and part of it is a function of everybody. These
Speaker 1: higher goals, your aspirational goals. No matter where you go
Speaker 1: around the world, people want safety, right, People want their
Speaker 1: kids to have hopefully a better life than the life
Speaker 1: they had. They want security, they want food. They don't
Speaker 1: have cool stuff to do on the weekend, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They want to feel cool when they
Speaker 1: hang out with their friends. That's what I think. One
Speaker 1: of the main things to take in here is the
Speaker 1: Balfour Declaration is a story of its own. It's a
Speaker 1: whole series and there's been a lot of literature about it,
Speaker 1: especially considering what a short letter.
Speaker 3: It is, like seriously, would you look at it?
Speaker 1: It's like sixty something words.
Speaker 3: It's one of the first things that people say about
Speaker 3: it talking about what an impact you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that is an exploration all its own.
Speaker 1: The I think one of the most important things to
Speaker 1: realize and to really keep front of mind and in
Speaker 1: your core is that, yes, we have more commonalities with
Speaker 1: each other than we do differences. Everybody ultimately wants to
Speaker 1: have a good life, right, and it's important to remember
Speaker 1: those commonalities.
Speaker 3: A god.
Speaker 1: You know, before twenty sixteen, I could have said, it's
Speaker 1: important to remember those commonalities. We'll always trump the differences,
Speaker 1: but whatever, whatever would be a better synonym than trump
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I'm with you, and you know, my kid
Speaker 3: just posted a thing about this, you know, like I mean,
Speaker 3: all this reposting and stuff and people, I do kind
Speaker 3: of resent the implication that people saying if you don't
Speaker 3: speak up now right the second and say the thing
Speaker 3: that I want you to say in the way that
Speaker 3: I want you to say it, then you're part of
Speaker 3: the problem. I don't think that's fair. I think people
Speaker 3: can exercise empathy in lots of different ways and you know,
Speaker 3: help without having to stand on a soapbox. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't need to sound like anybody that's speaking out
Speaker 3: on this as soapboxing. That's not what I mean either.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm gonna get danged for literally everything
Speaker 3: that I just said, and that's part of the issue.
Speaker 3: It's hard, but I really hope this was in some
Speaker 3: way helpful, and to me, it was helpful to bring
Speaker 3: it back to the like, learn, learn about the history
Speaker 3: of it, learn about how a lot of these things,
Speaker 3: this conflict that's been just you know, uh metastasizing, you know,
Speaker 3: for one hundred years, started with self important British you know, imperialists,
Speaker 3: bureaucrats just writing a letter and and promising a thing
Speaker 3: that it was not theirs to give. So thank you again,
Speaker 3: Thank you to std std w I t k's Muslim fan,
Speaker 3: one of many I would like to think. So, yes,
Speaker 3: I know we've we've heard from from many many folks
Speaker 3: out there, but I really think this was very educational
Speaker 3: and an opportunity to talk about this in a way
Speaker 3: that didn't feel like, okay, here it is the Palestine episode,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And not not to say
Speaker 3: that that won't happen once we get more information and
Speaker 3: once we have a real perspective. But I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's something that we'll have to all really discuss and
Speaker 3: decide whether it feels right and.
Speaker 1: Of no relation to our East Palestine episode about the
Speaker 1: epidemic of train crashes in the US. So also, yes,
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