1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 3: Name is Noah. 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: superproducer Alexis code name Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: are you. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: You are here. 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: In the United States, this is Thanksgiving week, and as 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: we always like to say in our listener mail segment, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: we are so thankful fellow conspiracy realists that you have 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: joined up with us. We are going to have follow 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: ups to the Tyson recall. We're going to answer or 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: explore would be the more accurate term, some questions about 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: global history. And before we do any of that, or 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: on the way to doing that, we thought we'd switch 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: it up in listen to some. 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: Voicemails, yeah, which includes some of those topics. But guys, 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 4: before we even do that. This week on Strange News, 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 4: we talked about a little airplane incident where a plane 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: had to turn around because of some damage to some windows. 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: I'm just throwing an extra strange news right on top, 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 4: right here. It's super quick. There was recently a Boeing 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 4: seven forty seven plane that had to land, do an 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: emergency landing and return because a horse escaped inside the plane. 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: Weblight. Yeah it was this an okay go video. 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was an okay go video made real. 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Or the John mullaney bit about the horse in the 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: hospital but in the air. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I tired all these MF and horses on my 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: MF and plane. Anyway, you can actually go there are 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: a couple of places you can go online to hear 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 4: the air traffic contryroll audio of the horse escape moment. 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: So do check that out. 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: You can lead a horse to never mind moving on 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 3: all right. 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 4: Hartsville Jackson Airport is, yes, where you'd say so. Yeah, 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 4: let's jump to the phone lines, and we're gonna hear 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: a voicemail that is a response to the strange news 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 4: segment we did on the chicken nuggets recall horrifying thing. Ben, 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: Just before we get into it, let's go quickly give 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 4: a recap of what that story was about. 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: Sure, the giant food manufacturer Tyson recently recalled a great deal, 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: well not a great deal, but a significant amount thirty 49 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: thousand pounds or so of chicken nuggets, specifically the Dinosa 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: roughly dinosaur shaped fun nuggets, due to a It was 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: voluntary recall due to a small amount of pliable metal 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: articles found contaminating the nuggets. 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: Yet they're pliable, what's the problem? 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be fine. So there were actual injuries 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: right associated with this recall. It's a serious thing. We 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: just had somebody call in with some more information on it, 57 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 4: with some experience. So here's a message from Lord of Enjoyment. 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 5: Yes, this is a Lord of Enjoyment calling. I'm calling 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 5: about you. Guys can use my voice and everything. By 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 5: the way, I'm calling about the chicken nugget recall. I'm 61 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 5: a truck driver. I've been driving refrigerated food and freight, 62 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 5: I guess for a few years all over the country 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 5: from all different shippers and receivers, Tyson being a pretty 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 5: frequent one. So these people put out like the article, 65 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 5: that's thirty thousand pounds of the chicken nuggets I got recalled. 66 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: One trailer of chicken nuggets or meat or of anything 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 5: is about forty to forty five pounds, So that's less 68 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 5: than one trailer load of chicken nuggets, and one small 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 5: plant could have like I don't know, hundreds of trailers 70 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 5: going out every single day, twenty four hours a day. 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 5: So that's like literally nothing that could be That's not 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 5: even the day's worth of chicken nuggets that they sent 73 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 5: out from one small plant. And there's like who knows 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 5: how many plants that are like massive, so it's not 75 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 5: really that big of a thing. And also about the 76 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 5: chicken strips and the Tyson plants closing a year or 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 5: two ago, that was due to a to a hacking 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 5: incident where they were shut down because their infrastructure was compromised, 79 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 5: like their software and everything. It wasn't due to like 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 5: demand dropping or anything like that. So feel free to 81 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 5: call me back, feel free to use my voice, enjoy everybody. 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: That is illuminating because I had no sense of the 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 3: scale of this kind of operation A And it also 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: makes it make sense where it's like, Okay, this one 85 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: batch got compromised, right. 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly. I think the scale is the thing 87 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: when you try and visual a plant that produces the 88 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: stuff that becomes chicken nuggets, in my head at least. 89 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: And I've seen the documentary footage, right, the how. 90 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 4: It gets made, Oh it's made, how it's made, and 91 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 4: all that stuff, Like, I see the scale within the factory, 92 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 4: But I don't imagine that that much is pumped out 93 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 4: and sent out to stores every day from one plant. 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: Right. No, No, I certainly didn't. But it makes sense now. 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: But then it becomes a matter of Okay, let's say 96 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: we've got one truckload of contaminated product. Right, where did 97 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 4: that truck go? You could probably track that, it seems like, right, 98 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: and you'd be able to just recall that one truckload 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: rather than putting out a whole like warning to everybody. 100 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: One would imagine, I suppose it would, to your point, 101 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: more of enjoyment. I suppose it would depend upon how 102 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: many or how the plant distributes the product into trucks. 103 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 2: Oh yep, that's. 104 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: A good point, because they could be coming off of 105 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: multiple different lines and then sort of converging into like 106 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: a shoot that then is dumped into the tribe. Again, 107 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: this doesn't make it. This is not how it's done. 108 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: They have to be refigurated and packaged and all of 109 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: that stuff. But you guys, have you ever gotten a 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: foreign object ingested? A foreign object from prepackaged food or 111 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: from like to go food ingested? I don't know, or 112 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: close to Yeah, perhaps come close to like where you 113 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: caught it and then you pulled it out of your mouth. Yeah, yeah, same, 114 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: it's terrifying. I once pulled like a staple out of 115 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: some sort of to go food. 116 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: You gotta stop ordering the staplers. 117 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: It's true, but like that's terrifying. And I understand how 118 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: it's more about the optics of doing the massive recall 119 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: than it is about maybe the smaller recall would do 120 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: the trick. They need to make a big show of 121 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: it because they're banking on people really taking their word 122 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: that they're never gonna let this happen again, or they're 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 3: like doing the big move to make this go away. 124 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: I think it's really funny. If you guys have ever 125 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: been to Ikea, they post all their recalls in the 126 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: giant elevator. There's like an elevator, like a big one 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: that you can take your giant flat packs and stuff, 128 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: and there's always tons of little posted flyers talking about 129 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: the items that they have recalled, and a lot of 130 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: times it's like contained rocks, you know, like it's really 131 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: funny how candid Ikea are about their recalls and how 132 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: they put it like post it in the store like that. 133 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: But it's again it's because of optics. 134 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: I guess, well, yeah, it's like we talked about on 135 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: the Strange News episode. If you imagine you're Tyson, you 136 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: cannot take the risk that somebody else is going to 137 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 4: get metal, right, they're in their child's mouth by giving 138 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 4: their their kid a product that's really really freaky. 139 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: And that whole the note. 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 4: I don't even remember what Lord of Enjoyment is talking 141 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 4: about with the Tyson in plant closing down the Chicken 142 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: strips plant. I think it must have been when we 143 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: did that episode on our like, is there an attack 144 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: on the food supplies? 145 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: It's it's possibly referencing that also, Lord of Enjoyment, I 146 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: think you're referencing some of the previous mishaps that Tyson 147 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: experienced and going back to the issue of scale. After 148 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: a certain threshold, you have to accept that they're just 149 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: going to be bad things that happen, right. That's why 150 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: the FDA is saying it's okay to have a little 151 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: bit of wrap poop in cereal not a bunch you guys. 152 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: But we know mistakes happen. 153 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: So there's nobody's going to be one hundred percent perfect, 154 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. 155 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 4: That is another horrifying thing that I haven't considered, the 156 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 4: fact that the software infrastructure that runs all the automated 157 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: machinery in a factory could be attacked and then the 158 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: whole thing shuts down only due to the fact that 159 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: the software doesn't function to actually produce the stuff anymore 160 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 4: and you can't get it to work anymore. Kind of 161 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: reminds me of the infrastructure like attacks on water treatment 162 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 4: plants that we talked about in power plants back in 163 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 4: the day, but just with food manufacturing. I guess it's 164 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: the same deal craziness. 165 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: It's true in terms of tactics that could be exercised 166 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: and points of vulnerability. However, food manufacturers, we could argue 167 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: have a bit of an advantage because if you go 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: to like power supplies have a little bit of redundancy, right, 169 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: and wastewater management water management, there's redundancy there. The food 170 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: supply of the United States, the way you think about 171 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: it commercially, is a bunch of private entities, right that 172 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: are all trying to have their turf or they're trying 173 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: to encroach on other turf. You know, let's get into 174 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: the other guy's dino chicken nugget business. 175 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: Slang and nuggets, right, slanging nuggets. 176 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: So they're all incentivized, I think, to to have their 177 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: own kind of order of operations as much as possible. 178 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: So like if you if someone flipped a switch for 179 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: some reason, Let's say there's like a terrorist group that 180 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: just wants to bring down Tyson Foods. If they do that, 181 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: there are going to be other things, other entities that 182 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: sell the same stuff that's just not Tyson, you know 183 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. So the food supplies I think a 184 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: little bit more secure. 185 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right. 186 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: I think I'm just imagining a coordinated effort to attack 187 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 4: the food supply. If you hit factories like that, those 188 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: the fear, right, Like in twenty twenty two, the fear 189 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 4: was that food factories were under attack, but it felt 190 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: more like a physical threat right at the time. In 191 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: this case, it wouldn't have to be physical at all. 192 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 4: It could be virtual, which is creepy. 193 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: I mean, hell, the computers probably also, I think you're 194 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: already saying this and sorry for being redune to probably 195 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 3: control the mixture, you know, and the way the ingredients 196 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: are blended and like all of that stuff. So you 197 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: could like throw the ratio off or like you know, 198 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: over deliver on one ingredient to make the thing like 199 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: completely made of like fat or something. You know, like 200 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: a million things you could do. 201 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: Well, then the company wouldn't be able to package it 202 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 4: and sell it, right, because they're at every factory that 203 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 4: creates a food product, they test the line right from 204 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: the lines of products. 205 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: To the degree that they are legally required to do. 206 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: So that's a really good point bench. 207 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: Test the chicken nugget slurry. 208 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Oh geez, oh hot dogs come from us. 209 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get to it. 210 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: We'll get to it. Yeah, hot dogs. All right, Well, 211 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: that's it for this segment. We will be right back. 212 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Lord of Enjoyment for letting us 213 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: know about all of that stuff, giving us that insight. 214 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you. 215 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: And we have returned a quick disclaimer for this one, folks, 216 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to use multiple sources and they all 217 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: have to be anonymous. Thank you, anonymous sources. We know 218 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: who you are. You know who you are, and you 219 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: reached out to us. As we said to each of you, 220 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: we're doing our best not to compromise your identity, nor 221 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: your profession, or your prospects. We're going to follow up, 222 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: Lord of Enjoyment. We're going to take a queue from 223 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: you and hear some more from people with on the 224 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: ground experience related to industrial food manufacturing and a lot 225 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: of other consumable manufacturing as well. Heads up, if you 226 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: are eating a snack while you hear this next story 227 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: in our weekly listener mail segment, tell us tell us 228 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: your experience of eating the snack. We're interested. So a 229 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: lot of this comes to us via social media. Here 230 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: is one source just pulled a bunch of excerpts so 231 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: we can stop along the way and react to these. 232 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Their I opening and maybe off putting. So our first 233 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: one starts this way. Okay, so off the record, I 234 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: have first hand knowledge not only on the Tyson recall, 235 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: but on many others. This source is responsible for a 236 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: specific type of equipment, a couple of types of equipment 237 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: that are used in production lines. One would be metal detectors, 238 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: which are part of industrial food manufacturing, and the other 239 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: is magnetic separation equipment. Have you guys heard of magnetic 240 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: separation equipment? 241 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 4: No, does sound Oh god, if we're time off food production, 242 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 4: I'm imagine meat getting separated. 243 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: But maybe that's not it. 244 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking too, because it reminds me 245 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: of the It reminds me of the ingredient list on 246 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: some foods where you look at it and it says 247 00:13:53,679 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: this includes mechanically separated chicken. Yeah, okay, So these, from 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: what I understand, magnetic separators in general, if I'm getting 249 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: this correct, we are net experts. Magnetic separators in general 250 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: are designed to recover magnetic material from non magnetic matter. 251 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: So if you think there might be some small pliable 252 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: pieces of metal in your chicken paste or your hot 253 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: dog slurry, then you run it through this kind of 254 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: equipment that will be able to suck out the metal 255 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: that reacts to the magnet. 256 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: In the food production line. 257 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: Well yeah, like on the way you know, Oh okay, 258 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: not the final hopefully is before they cook it. And again, 259 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: so that's what excerpt. Not the only person saying this. 260 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: There were more people reporting that the problem or the 261 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: issue goes bigger than this Tyson recall. Because to your point, 262 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: Lord of enjoyment. Yeah, that's a very tiny slice of 263 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: a very big pie. Shout out Dominoes. We had another 264 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: source who says, guys, it's not just Tyson. Many many 265 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: food manufacturers, pharmaceutical manufacturers, and chemical companies also have to 266 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: use magnets and metal detectors because they remove components that 267 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: might have snuck into the process, and they also remove 268 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: fragments of blades. 269 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: So like, yeah, I guess that makes sense because I mean, 270 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: you know, the kind of equipment that we're talking about online, 271 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: like that something could chip right, you know, or likely 272 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: the tip of something could. I've certainly have you ever 273 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: tried to open a can with the tip of a 274 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: knife and broken the tip of the knife off, and 275 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: then you'll let Well, I guess I'm not gonna eat 276 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: this spaghetti sauce because there's a special surprise in there somewhere, 277 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: and I don't really feel like sifting through spaghetti sauce 278 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: by half. If only I had one of those magnetic 279 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: extractors separations. 280 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: Keep them separated. Shout out to who is that? What 281 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: was that? 282 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: The offspring? 283 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: PhD and chemical engineering like a hot sauce impresario, many things, 284 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: many things. Regular Dolph lundering that guy, so uh. 285 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: Dolphin say regular Diddy Kong and I meant p Diddy carry. 286 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: These are perfect, These are examples to aspire to. Uh So, 287 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: we also learned from someone who is in the business, 288 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: a different source, who said, here is how this is 289 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: a business, because one of my questions was, is this 290 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: not rarefied air? You know, like there are a few 291 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: big companies who make most of the process chicken in 292 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the US. Are there not just a few companies who 293 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: do like compliance with these kinds of standards and safeguards. 294 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: It turns out that the way a lot of these 295 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: folks get business is they read super sexy government reports 296 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: on a pretty regular basis coming from the FDA. If 297 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: you were recently reading a book and you thought this 298 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: is too good, this is too much of a page turner. 299 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: I need something to help me sleep, and I'm worried 300 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: about contaminants and melatonin, then we highly recommend for tonight's 301 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: Reading Rainbow segment that you check out the Food Defect 302 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: Levels Handbook published on FDA dot gov. It is not 303 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: a page turner and it will help you find some slumber. 304 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 4: I think, oh dude, this is title twenty one. 305 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is Matt's a big fan of Title 306 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: twenty one. 307 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: Yea previous episode, wasn't that something politically in the news 308 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: like Title twenty one? Maybe I'm wrong. 309 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: I don't know. 310 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: It's like whenever there's a slow news day or a 311 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: particularly meme level story that goes viral, then we that's 312 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: when we get inundated by this very specific governmental language. 313 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: And I've got to be honest, I don't know about you, guys, 314 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: but I forget a lot of it because so much 315 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: of it sounds so very similar. 316 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: You know, Title twenty one is the thing. 317 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong. It's the thing that we reference or 318 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: we talked about it one time. Oh gosh, it was 319 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: the it was Agenda twenty one or something like that. 320 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 4: But then there was a real thing called there's a 321 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 4: real thing called Title twenty one, which has to do 322 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: with the allowable amounts of horrible stuff in food products, right. 323 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: And Agenda twenty one is a United Nations thing. 324 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, guys. 325 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: It's like sports jerseys. You gotta differentiate your numbers. Okay, 326 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: you're confusing the. 327 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: Fans, so. 328 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: Shout out, push your tea. So the actually that makes 329 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: no sense. I'm shouting out a line from pusha T's 330 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Diet Coke song, which is great. You guys would love it. 331 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: So let's continue with this idea. This tells us that 332 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: there is an entire industry of people who are one 333 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: source called ambulance chasing. They're waiting for the FDA to 334 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: publish a cavalcade of recalls, and then they go to 335 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: these companies and they say, hey, I heard you having 336 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: a hard time, buddy. You got some like blue rubber pieces. 337 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: You got some metals in your nuggets. 338 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: That'll cost you extra. 339 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: Ap is sure interested in that, or they would be. 340 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: So it's weird too because the companies. The reason matten 341 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: Or in that earlier thing is said, the reason we 342 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: had to point out these companies are doing exactly what 343 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: they are required to do by regulatory bodies. There's a 344 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: source that pointed out, look, I often hear about these 345 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: companies after something has happened. They are reactive rather than proactive. 346 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: Nobody is saying, hey, let's make sure that in you know, 347 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: the next five years, all our chicken nuggets are metal free. 348 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: Let's do it right after something happens, and let's say, like, 349 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: what's the good price to get us across the finish 350 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: line this year. 351 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know, just shaking my head over Yeah, Matt. 352 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Shakes his head over here. Uh noel uh nol. How 353 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: would how would you rate your emotional state with hearing this? 354 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: Indifferent? 355 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? 356 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: No, uh, shocked and or odd. It's strange too. 357 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: Because you know, this immediately reminded me I nobody, guys, 358 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: but reminded me of a book called The Jungle. 359 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 3: Well, sure, yeah, it comes up all the time. It's 360 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: like the first expose blown the lid off of meat 361 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: packing at a time where there was like zero oversight. 362 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: That stuff's terrifying. 363 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: Oh you, guys, we. 364 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 4: Got a voice from someone who goes by Trucker Joey. 365 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: Another trucker out there. Thanks to everybody on the road 366 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 2: that's listening. 367 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: It's his brother, Trader Joe, the Trader Joe and Trucker Joey. 368 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it. 369 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 4: Oh so he he at the very end of his 370 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 4: message talks about going up to the break room at 371 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 4: some of these meat processing facilities, specifically like slaughterhouses where 372 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: cows and pigs get quote processed, and he describes this, Oh, 373 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 4: I don't even want to say it. It's gonna upset people. 374 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 4: He describes this blade that is like a V, like 375 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 4: this really long V that the pigs are just attached 376 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 4: by their their hoofs, their feet as they go up 377 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: this conveyor belt, and their necks just kind of pass 378 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 4: through this V that just like slices the whole thing on. 379 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: It's just like was because they're alive when it happens. 380 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 4: It's not like they're dead before. 381 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: Wow, I thought, no, wait a minute, I thought they 382 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: I thought imagine. I thought they let their throats and 383 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: let them. Now, the only. 384 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: Way, the only way you can know for sure if 385 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: that happens is whether food. If food is rated halala 386 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: or kosher. 387 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, so, that's almost more like a 388 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: bespoke way of killing the pig. You pay extra for that, right, 389 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: Otherwise all bets are off and you're gonna have the 390 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: freaking caligular murdered lawnmower machine. 391 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: Well, local organic interest will we'll probably have a more 392 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: quote unquote humane way of processing the animal. But yeah, 393 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: it's the industrial food or livestock system is pretty horrific. 394 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: And this goes to an excerpt from an expert who 395 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: says the smell at these facilities is surreal. It's deathlike 396 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: it's discussed, and you know everybody, well not everybody hopefully, 397 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: but a lot of us listening know that death does 398 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: have a smell. And there's a necessity to this widespread horror. 399 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: The argument goes, because it is feeding not just the 400 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: United States, but the world in an intricately connected global network. 401 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: And do people want to know that the food they 402 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: get at the grocery store goes through magnets or metal 403 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: detectors or X ray machines. I think a lot of 404 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: people to your point, Noel would probably be indifferent if 405 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: it was seen as a safety measure and if you 406 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: knew that resulted in less dangerous delicacies. 407 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: I was being demure. I'm not actually indifferent. I just 408 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: it's easy to get numb to this stuff because it 409 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: does feel so confounding and out of your control. I 410 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: feel you. 411 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: There's a one of the stories from a comedter that 412 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: really stuck with me was seeing half alive birds on 413 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: a process line. A process line being where you know 414 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: the food is going through, So somehow. 415 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: A bird you missed a few. 416 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: A bird, Yeah that maybe it was a bird that 417 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be in the production line the same way. 418 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: Like dolphins might get snacked up and fishing. 419 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: Now you get an onion ring in your French fries. Yeah, 420 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: this is only much more macabre. 421 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: One of these is a pigeon wing, right, and then 422 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: what's the old line? Well, don't tell the other customers, sir, 423 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: they'll be jealous. Another example would be so we did 424 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: get a lot of responses for this. Another example would 425 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: be Kraft Mac and Cheese had to recall from I 426 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: guess one of their plants out in Illinois, and they 427 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: were getting flakes of aluminum in the Easy Mac and 428 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: Cheese cups because Craft was using something to like pre 429 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: bake the product and it was depositing aluminum aluminum flakes 430 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: inside the actual Mac and cheese. 431 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: Y'all boil some water, for the love of God, boil 432 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: some water. It's not that hard. 433 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: I think we're all I think we're all on board 434 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: with that, you know, in general, actually, if you want 435 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: to be super safe and a little bit Howard Hughes 436 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: about it, you should just be boiling. 437 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: Water all the time. 438 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: We're very likely to live in a place where you 439 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: can drink it out of the tap. The last few things, 440 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: the FDAIGHT. We talked about how they have a tolerated 441 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: amount of insects. They have a tolerated amount of vermin 442 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: feces or rat feces. I was not aware of this. 443 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: They have apparently a tolerance for choke hazards. It is 444 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: seven millimeters by twenty five millimeters. 445 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: The otherwise you have to warn about it. 446 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: Like otherwise you have to do something. Okay, So that 447 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: is just if you want to take a sorry, i've 448 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: got a cat on me, we can keep that part in. 449 00:25:54,080 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: That is seven millimeters by twenty five millimeters is huge, 450 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: especially if you consider that there would be younger people 451 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: eating this stuff. You know what I mean. 452 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 4: I'm going to read this to you because it's that 453 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: time of year. Yeah, oh god, this exact FDAIGHT thing 454 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 4: you're mentioning here Ben, for apple butter, here are the 455 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 4: levels when it comes to mold, you are you are 456 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: exceeding the limits of the acceptable mold. If there is 457 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: a mold count of twelve percent or more, you're exceeding 458 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: the rodent filth. If there is an average of four 459 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: or more rodent hairs per one hundred grams of apple butter, 460 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 4: and if there are an average of five or more 461 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: whole or equivalent insects, not cloud yes, not counting mites, aphids, thrps, 462 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 4: or scale insects per one hundred of because I don't. 463 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: Well, well, you know there's probably a couple of court 464 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: cases and email arguments about this where someone goes, look, okay, fine, 465 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: if you add up all the mites, Okay, I get it, 466 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: But is that fair to American business? 467 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: Oh god, I just oh the broccoli stuff. Don't read this. 468 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: Don't read this. 469 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: Everybody read it while you're eating, right now, Get like 470 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: a big can of like a stew something with a 471 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: lot of ingredients, DENTI more preps and read this. And 472 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: also know that mammalian poop is separated, sometimes not mechanically, 473 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: but regulatory, separated from just rat poop. So rats are 474 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: like the Kobe Bryant of pooping in your food. 475 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: They've got mammalian poop listed here for cinnamon bark. 476 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that just means it tastes like shit. 477 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 3: It's not very Look, what's the takeaway here, y'all? We've 478 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 3: all definitely consumed vcs before. 479 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: As far as a takeaway, we have mentioned this in 480 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: the past. The one last thing I wanted to shout 481 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: out before we do a takeaway is our sources said, Look, 482 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: hot dogs are made from a pumped hot dog paste, 483 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: which is called slurry in the industry, So just think 484 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: of that next time you have a hot dog. And 485 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: now we get to our takeaway. Before we dive into 486 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: a bit of heavier history, we would like to hear 487 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: your stories of strange things you've found in your food. 488 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: We would like to hear your take on the regulations, 489 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: because some people will say, hey, regulations are bad for business. 490 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: Other people will point at things like the jungle And 491 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: what better way to end this story in our listener 492 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: mail segment for this week by shouting out once again 493 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Upton Sinclair. Dude, if he was alive, if he was 494 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: on Twitter right now, I feel like he would have 495 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: a hard time not saying. Just so, we're gonna pause 496 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors. We'll be back with 497 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: one more message from you. 498 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: And We're back with one more message from you, and 499 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna just jump right into reading it. Hi. I 500 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: know the Palestinian Israeli conflict is super touchy and seems 501 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: to make people very emotional and myopic, but I was 502 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: wondering if you folks could discuss the Balfour Declaration and 503 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: British mandate of Palestine. These are historical occurrences, not conspiracy theories, 504 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: and you guys are awesome, but talking about things objectively, 505 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: so hopefully it wouldn't be a controversial episode. Thanks stdwytk's 506 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: Muslim fan. I love the way that's written. It's like 507 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: the implication is that we have one Muslim fan. I 508 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: hope that's not true, but I do thank this listener 509 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: for writing in and personally hipping me to a topic 510 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: that I was woefully unfamiliar with. I don't know, let's 511 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: just address the elephant in the room. It's true, the 512 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: Palestinian Israeli conflict is super touchy and does many people 513 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: very uncomfortable and can be very polarizing and hard to 514 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: discuss because there's horrible things happening over there to women 515 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: and children and people, civilians you know, who are getting 516 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: caught in this crossfire that is a historical conflict between 517 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: Israel and Palestine, and there seems to be a tendency 518 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: to want to favor one side over the other, whether 519 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 3: it be family ties, you know, religious ties, ethnic ties, 520 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: whatever it might be. And I understand that, but at 521 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: the end of the day, both sides are pretty seat 522 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: and doing pretty terrible stuff. There's a question about Hamas 523 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: at the very least, and the Israeli government, who have 524 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: been doing things poorly for quite some time. It's a 525 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: gnarly conflict. It's very complex and very rife, and what's 526 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: going on right now is inexcusable and really really hard 527 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: to see. And it's also hard to talk about because 528 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: it is there's almost an insistence to come down, you know, 529 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: on one side or the other and to you know, 530 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 3: and to say this is what's right, this is this 531 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: is who these are, who the good guys are, And 532 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 3: I just have a hard time seeing quote unquote true 533 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: good guys on either side. I think that Hamas is 534 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: behaving and is is you know, conducting operations like a 535 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 3: terrorist organization, but Israel is retaliating with such aggression and 536 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: such just horrific violence and malice and disregard for you know, 537 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 3: civilian life. I can't support them either, I don't know. 538 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: But to our listener's point, I think it is a 539 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: very interesting thing to just talk about the history of 540 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: this and how far back this conflict goes and how 541 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: it essentially resulted from imperialism, you know, from our colonialism. 542 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: I guess rather, you know, on the side on the 543 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: part of the British and that you know, after World 544 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: War One and because of certain promises and diplomatic you know, rewards, 545 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: I guess, like you know, how things are divvied up, 546 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 3: the whole idea of to the victor go the spoils. 547 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: This Balfour Declaration is a fascinating piece of literature. It's 548 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 3: a letter. And Ben, we talked about this offline. This 549 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: is something that you studied in school, you know, during 550 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 3: your international affairs studies, and I was hoping you might 551 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: lead us off. I've done some digging and research into 552 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: it myself, but this is definitely something that's very much 553 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: in your sphere of expertise. Yeah. Sure. 554 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: So on November two, we just passed the anniversary of 555 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: what is called the Balfour Declaration. In nineteen seventeen, then 556 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: Foreign Secretary for the British, guy named Lord Arthur James 557 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: Balfour wrote a letter to Lord Walter Roth's child and 558 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: it's a very short letter. 559 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: It is of the Rothschild. 560 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: Rothschild's right, Just running that out there, okay, Yeah, And 561 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: the letter just the following, and again, this is a 562 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: This is a letter from two aristocrats, or from one 563 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: to another. It says, His Majesty's government views with favor 564 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the 565 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate 566 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that 567 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and 568 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: religious rights of existing non Jewish communities in Palestine, or 569 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews any other countries. 570 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: So it's like it's making three promises, and you could 571 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: say they're kind of necessarily vague. I don't know, because 572 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a short letter, like that's the bulk 573 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: of the letter. And again, you know, it might be 574 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: surprising to some people that this was written in nineteen seventeen, 575 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: so this is well before World War Two. 576 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 3: That's right. But it had to do with like rewarding 577 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: assistance overthrowing the Ottoman Turks. 578 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Auto Empire. They were a huge force 579 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: for a while, but the Ottoman Empire is no longer 580 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: around today, despite whatever barnstorming speeches erdigon. Who is the 581 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: leader of Turkey right now might make the Ottoman Empire 582 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: street named Turkish Empire. Back in the day, it was 583 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: a huge, huge deal, and they controlled the part of 584 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: the Middle East pre World War One that the British 585 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: took over. 586 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: And then you know, the French were involved too, and 587 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: it was really all about kind of carving up the Levant, 588 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: you know, carving up this piece of very oil rich 589 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: land in advance, kind of making deals to divvy up 590 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 3: this land and literally writing checks that they couldn't cash 591 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 3: because the British didn't own or operate or have any 592 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: claim to this land that was occupied by indigenous you 593 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 3: know people, right. 594 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they also, I mean, yes, the British were again 595 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: very much colonial, as you said, imperialistic power, and the 596 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire, in their view, had already fumbled because they 597 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: sided with what we're called the Central Powers in World 598 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: War One. The Central Powers are Germany, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, 599 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: and the Ottoman Empire, even though it was in decline 600 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: at this point, was a very big player in Eurasia. 601 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: The Levant, you know, the Middle East entire got it. 602 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: And I also just want to say too, like I mean, 603 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 3: I I think we mentioned this where we discussed this 604 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: a little bit off air. I think one reason that 605 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 3: this stuff is very polarizing is because people either have 606 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 3: incredibly strong opinions one way or the other, or they 607 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 3: don't know enough and feel terrified they're going to say 608 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: the wrong thing. So I would air on the side 609 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: of asking questions, being open about not knowing all the 610 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: things as I am trying to be. I only just 611 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: recently realized that Zionism was sort of a political persuasion, 612 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: or at the very least a political movement that had 613 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 3: that sprang up around this time, which was you know, 614 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 3: very much spearheaded by folks like the Rothschilds or this 615 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 3: wroth Child in particular. The idea that the Jewish people 616 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 3: deserved a state of their own is that, right, Ben, 617 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 3: Is as simple as that? Or is there more nuance 618 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 3: to it than that that I'm missing the idea of Zionism. 619 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: It's much more complex, to be absolutely honest, like there is. 620 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: There is a great deal of nuance regarding that, in 621 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: terms of which historical explanations one accepts, in terms of 622 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: which perspectives one adopts, and throughout the problem is with 623 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: that discourse, throughout all of it there is a continual 624 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: tenor of Islamophobia, of anti Semitism, of racism and discrimination. 625 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: So it can be very difficult. So when we I 626 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: love your point about asking questions and good faith, that's 627 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: what we must endeavor to do. We know that we 628 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: know for a fact that the Balfour Declaration, the consequences 629 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: of it and the intent of it, they're still up 630 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: for debate today, even in twenty twenty three. I mean 631 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: the British government. We know that they were hoping this 632 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: would galvanize American entry into World War One, and I. 633 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 3: Believe the British government the very least kind of stands 634 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 3: by it and borderline celebrates it, and that folks would 635 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 3: consider themselves Zionists also consider it to be a positive thing, 636 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 3: the thing that led to the formation of the Jewish state, 637 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 3: you know, of Israel. But also the point is that 638 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 3: a lot of folks you know, will debate on this, 639 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 3: is that the the British promised a piece of land 640 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 3: that they did not have the right to promise, and 641 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 3: then they went through their typical kind of colonizing path 642 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 3: and essentially committed ethnic cleansing, you know, and and wanted 643 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,479 Speaker 3: to just get rid of an inconvenient people in order 644 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 3: to keep a promise to who they viewed as very 645 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 3: important allies. 646 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah to at first point they called it the British 647 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: Mandate for Palestine. That's right, right, Yeah, And maybe we 648 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: can talk a little bit. We were mentioning this off air. 649 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about how it seems the 650 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: United Kingdom was selling a lot of different things to 651 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot of different people. 652 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 3: You mentioned, yeah, the French, like, well, again there was 653 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 3: the French had had suffered greatly, you know, because of 654 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: their participation in the Great War, and they wanted something 655 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 3: in return, right, Yeah, it's I know I'm simplifying, but 656 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 3: I think it's important to sort of simplify a little 657 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 3: bit so that people can at least there's the lower 658 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: the barrier of entry, and then once you kind of 659 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: get your head around, and then you can go in 660 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: and dig deeper. And there is so much nuance. So 661 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 3: I think that's why it's a hard thing to discuss. 662 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 3: But I'm just trying to break the ice a little 663 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,399 Speaker 3: bit for me at least, you know, And please any 664 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 3: listeners if I'm coming off sounding like an idiot on 665 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 3: any of this, I'm coming from a place I'm coming 666 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 3: at it from a place of wanting to understand. 667 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: You don't sound like an idiot. 668 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 3: Man. 669 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are having the same questions, 670 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes it can be scary to ask 671 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: those questions in good faith. 672 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 3: Well, Matt, you've been a little bit quiet, and I'm 673 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 3: not trying to put you on the spot. And I 674 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 3: know you know we've talked off air about how difficult 675 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 3: some of this stuff can be. But do you have 676 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 3: any questions? Are there any things that you would love 677 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 3: like a little clarification and that might help you feel 678 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 3: more comfortable talking about this or I don't know. I'm 679 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: not saying that you even have to do that or 680 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: should feel that way. I'm just I'm curious. 681 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't force me to talk about it and want 682 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 4: to No, I mean, I yeah, this is my job. 683 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 4: I am quite frankly uncomfortable talking out loud about this 684 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 4: because I don't feel that I know as much as 685 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 4: I should. 686 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 2: Before I open my mouth. 687 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 4: Right right before this, we were in a corporate training 688 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 4: and one of our colleagues that we respect and care 689 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 4: about a whole lot raised their hand and said, Hey, 690 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 4: I just want everyone to know this. We were In 691 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 4: a sharing moment in this training that we were doing, 692 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 4: this person said, I am of Jewish descent, and it 693 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 4: I am very uncomfortable with how, you know, everything is going. 694 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. I don't know what 695 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 2: to say. 696 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 3: I'm like. 697 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 4: It was just this person was very honest and expressed 698 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 4: that nothing feels good about what's happening right now on 699 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 4: any side. 700 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 2: This is horrible, This is awful, and all. 701 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 4: I want to do is not talk about it, but 702 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 4: I guess we need to. I think that's maybe how 703 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 4: I feel right now. I just I'm in the stage 704 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 4: where I don't know what to even say. 705 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 3: I totally understand, and I think, you know, you've even 706 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 3: gotten some emails and some communications of people saying, ah, 707 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 3: you know, very conspicuously quiet on the you know, the 708 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 3: Palestine Israel issue, and first of. 709 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: All, they're not going to listen anymore. 710 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 3: Oh that's not true. We have talked about it and 711 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 3: in ways that feel appropriate, but it also is so big. 712 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 3: Does it feel appropriate to do a conspiracy episode on 713 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: this even like it feels capitalizing in some way. I 714 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe That's what I'm trying to avoid here, too, 715 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: is like dancing around being politically correct so much that 716 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 3: you actually don't accomplish anything, because I don't think we 717 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 3: ever are capitalizing on anything when we do these topics. 718 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 3: We're genuinely curious. We're genuinely trying to understand the world 719 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 3: better and and and help folks around us to understand 720 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 3: the world better hopefully, So I don't see it that 721 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: way at all, But there is this pressure to like 722 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 3: talk about it and to have a stance. 723 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: Well, one thing we all have to remember collectively, and 724 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: this goes for every conspiracy realist tuning in, all of 725 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: us on the show, everybody who makes this show happen, 726 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: is that to a large degree, social media has been weaponized. 727 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: So I was talking about this over on Twitter. It 728 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: must inherently be considered another theater of conflict. Now, in 729 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: going forward to the point about feeling like it is 730 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: somehow wrong to say I do not know enough about this, 731 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: I would like to learn, there is nothing wrong with that. 732 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: Humans are great at learning. It is one of the 733 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,479 Speaker 1: primary superpowers of the species. And as we said when 734 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: we first covered this newest iteration of this very long conflict, 735 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: people have more in common with each other than they 736 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: have differences, Right, you have more commonalities than you will 737 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: ever have differences, and that is simply part of that 738 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: is a result of evolution, right of biology and so on, 739 00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,280 Speaker 1: and part of it is a function of everybody. These 740 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: higher goals, your aspirational goals. No matter where you go 741 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 1: around the world, people want safety, right, People want their 742 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: kids to have hopefully a better life than the life 743 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: they had. They want security, they want food. They don't 744 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: have cool stuff to do on the weekend, you know 745 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. They want to feel cool when they 746 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: hang out with their friends. That's what I think. One 747 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: of the main things to take in here is the 748 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: Balfour Declaration is a story of its own. It's a 749 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: whole series and there's been a lot of literature about it, 750 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: especially considering what a short letter. 751 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 3: It is, like seriously, would you look at it? 752 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,479 Speaker 1: It's like sixty something words. 753 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 3: It's one of the first things that people say about 754 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 3: it talking about what an impact you know. 755 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that is an exploration all its own. 756 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: The I think one of the most important things to 757 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: realize and to really keep front of mind and in 758 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: your core is that, yes, we have more commonalities with 759 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: each other than we do differences. Everybody ultimately wants to 760 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: have a good life, right, and it's important to remember 761 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: those commonalities. 762 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 3: A god. 763 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: You know, before twenty sixteen, I could have said, it's 764 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: important to remember those commonalities. We'll always trump the differences, 765 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: but whatever, whatever would be a better synonym than trump 766 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: at this point. 767 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I'm with you, and you know, my kid 768 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 3: just posted a thing about this, you know, like I mean, 769 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 3: all this reposting and stuff and people, I do kind 770 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 3: of resent the implication that people saying if you don't 771 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 3: speak up now right the second and say the thing 772 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 3: that I want you to say in the way that 773 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 3: I want you to say it, then you're part of 774 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 3: the problem. I don't think that's fair. I think people 775 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 3: can exercise empathy in lots of different ways and you know, 776 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 3: help without having to stand on a soapbox. You know, 777 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 3: I don't need to sound like anybody that's speaking out 778 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 3: on this as soapboxing. That's not what I mean either. 779 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm gonna get danged for literally everything 780 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 3: that I just said, and that's part of the issue. 781 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 3: It's hard, but I really hope this was in some 782 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 3: way helpful, and to me, it was helpful to bring 783 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 3: it back to the like, learn, learn about the history 784 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 3: of it, learn about how a lot of these things, 785 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 3: this conflict that's been just you know, uh metastasizing, you know, 786 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 3: for one hundred years, started with self important British you know, imperialists, 787 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 3: bureaucrats just writing a letter and and promising a thing 788 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 3: that it was not theirs to give. So thank you again, 789 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 3: Thank you to std std w I t k's Muslim fan, 790 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,439 Speaker 3: one of many I would like to think. So, yes, 791 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 3: I know we've we've heard from from many many folks 792 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 3: out there, but I really think this was very educational 793 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 3: and an opportunity to talk about this in a way 794 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 3: that didn't feel like, okay, here it is the Palestine episode, 795 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And not not to say 796 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 3: that that won't happen once we get more information and 797 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 3: once we have a real perspective. But I don't know, 798 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 3: that's something that we'll have to all really discuss and 799 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,240 Speaker 3: decide whether it feels right and. 800 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: Of no relation to our East Palestine episode about the 801 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: epidemic of train crashes in the US. So also, yes, 802 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: thanks to every single conspiracy realist, Thanks to the multiple 803 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: anonymous sources who wrote to us with some somber and 804 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: frightening experience in the world of industrial food and drug manufacturing, 805 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: including thanks to Lord of Enjoyment. 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