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Speaker 1: at One Jets Drive, joined by Jets Special Teams coordinator
Speaker 1: Bran Boyer. Brent, can you believe it? You're about to
Speaker 1: start your eighth year here with Jets.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, buddy, you know, the time flies, and and
Speaker 2: just thankful for the opportunity to come back, and as
Speaker 2: I am every year, and and you know, the people
Speaker 2: around here and the fans and and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the way people have been around this community and everything
Speaker 2: with my family and my kids have really enjoyed it here,
Speaker 2: and so it's been you know, been lucky to be
Speaker 2: here as long as I have.
Speaker 3: And got my.
Speaker 2: Oldest out of school this year, you know, and so
Speaker 2: he graduated, and so it was it's been good for
Speaker 2: the family for sure.
Speaker 1: What did you know about the fan base before you
Speaker 1: started coaching here at sixteen, because you're a former Dolphin
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I always knew how you know, how dedicated they were
Speaker 2: to the Jets and and how loud they were, and
Speaker 2: and you know, I think in Miami home games anytime
Speaker 2: I had played obviously when I was when I was
Speaker 2: a rookie down there, you'd have just as many Jets
Speaker 2: fans there was Dolphins fans in Miami. And so the
Speaker 2: fan base is awesome. Man, I don't know, if you know,
Speaker 2: there's a better fan base in the league.
Speaker 1: You know, in my opinion, how proud are you of
Speaker 1: your tenure? Considering that you've worked with three different head coaches.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of guys in the NFL who
Speaker 1: would be able to endure that much changeover.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm proud of that, But there's there's certainly
Speaker 2: some work that we need to do. You know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't real happy with the way things went last year obviously.
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a lot of things that
Speaker 2: need to get fixed, and and you know, I think
Speaker 2: that's part of the process moving forward and and doing
Speaker 2: all the studies that we're doing and trying to get
Speaker 2: the things fixed that need to be fixed. And but
Speaker 2: you know, very very fortunate to to you know, for
Speaker 2: everybody in the that's organization and everything to h to
Speaker 2: be here as long as I have, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You mentioned last year what keeps you up at night?
Speaker 2: Oh, those those two punt returns make me sick to
Speaker 2: my stomach. Yeah, you know, it just infuriates me every
Speaker 2: time I even think about it, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: you know, there's just little technique errors, and you know,
Speaker 2: I certainly could have coached it better for starting with
Speaker 2: that right, But you know, it's just a matter of
Speaker 2: standing in your lanes and I got to coach coach
Speaker 2: that better this year and and try to identify the
Speaker 2: issues and how we can teach it better so everybody
Speaker 2: understands it and things like that.
Speaker 3: But it all starts and ends with me. Man, got
Speaker 3: to get it fixed.
Speaker 1: You're so damn competitive. Do you think about those moments
Speaker 1: more than maybe a block punt by Jermaine Johnson and
Speaker 1: in Buffalo or a block punt by Michael Clemens in
Speaker 1: Green Bay? Or a successful fourth down fake in Cleveland
Speaker 1: or the on side kick and that improbable comeback. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of big moments on special teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not it's not even close, to be
Speaker 2: honestly like that. That stuff is is so far gone
Speaker 2: in my mind that you know, it's a it's always
Speaker 2: a long season, you know, you you do some things well,
Speaker 2: and you know it's like the year before we were
Speaker 2: very bad and committing penalties and.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So we made it a big focus and uh, and
Speaker 2: we were much better this year or last year in penalties,
Speaker 2: the amount of penalties that we had. And and so
Speaker 2: you know, you you get changed by by making it
Speaker 2: a specific focus of of what you're trying to teach
Speaker 2: the guys and things like that.
Speaker 3: And and punk.
Speaker 2: Coverage surely is one of those this year. You know,
Speaker 2: I felt like it, like it hurt the team, you know,
Speaker 2: and and it starts with me, and and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not proud of that for sure, and it just
Speaker 2: pisses me off every time I think about it.
Speaker 1: Well, what would you say about Thomas Morse said coming
Speaker 1: back here? And why was that such an important move
Speaker 1: for you guys? Bring Thomas?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that you know, arguably he's been you know,
Speaker 2: if you want my honest opinion, I think he's been
Speaker 2: the best punter in this league as far as controlling returners.
Speaker 3: Uh for a long time.
Speaker 2: And and uh, you know, he's so consistent and everything
Speaker 2: he does and so deliberate and everything he does, and
Speaker 2: he's such a good human being that it was you know,
Speaker 2: we were really happy to get him back and Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he provides leadership in the room, being around
Speaker 2: for as long as he has and being as good
Speaker 2: for as long as he has, and so it'll it'll uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's great to have him back.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that negotiation at all? And when
Speaker 1: he gave him a call and said, hey, listen, we're
Speaker 1: interested in you. You're coming back.
Speaker 2: Here, you know, they they get into the negotiation stuff.
Speaker 2: So I just put right uh called him up and said,
Speaker 2: hey man, you know when when uh you know, when
Speaker 2: the legal period is there and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: we can talk to him saying, hey man, we want
Speaker 2: you here. And you know how much how much I
Speaker 2: think he in this building thinks you and and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he was an absolute pleasure to coach when
Speaker 2: he was here the first time, and uh he did
Speaker 2: a really really nice job for us, and and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, just happy to have him back.
Speaker 1: How about his longevity and also, Brent, what he's been
Speaker 1: able to do outside because a lot of times you
Speaker 1: take a dome kicker, maybe you won't have that kind
Speaker 1: of success outside, but he when he was here in
Speaker 1: the Northeast still able to keep it an elite level.
Speaker 1: You're still not going to have the numbers you are
Speaker 1: kicking in a dome in December. But with that being said,
Speaker 1: he's an all weather guy.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 2: He is any like you said. He proved it when
Speaker 2: he was here. You know, I thought he did a
Speaker 2: great job. And his longevity is based on how hard
Speaker 2: he works in the weight room, how hard he takes
Speaker 2: care of his body, how hard he you know, he's
Speaker 2: not a guy that goes out all the time.
Speaker 3: He's not a guy that drinks very much.
Speaker 2: He's not a guy that you know, he's always training
Speaker 2: and always watching his diet. And and those are the
Speaker 2: guys that the last you know that understand how short
Speaker 2: term this business can really be if you don't take
Speaker 2: care of yourself and the one thing that makes your money,
Speaker 2: and that's your body.
Speaker 3: Man, And if you don't take care of it, you
Speaker 3: don't have a chance.
Speaker 1: What should people know about Thomas Sennessee? He resigns in
Speaker 1: an off season. Uh, this guy's consistency, he's just been
Speaker 1: off the charge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's It's awesome to see how much he's developed
Speaker 2: since he's been here as a you know, he's starting
Speaker 2: to take a leadership row a little bit too. And
Speaker 2: and I asked him to do that several years ago
Speaker 2: and to see his maturation process of getting better and
Speaker 2: better and better all the time, and and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: being more physical blocking and and you know he's assignment.
Speaker 3: Right all the time. And uh, you know, he's just
Speaker 3: an absolute pleasure to coach. The guy. Uh comes to
Speaker 3: work every day.
Speaker 2: You never hear anything, Uh, never hearing complaining about anything
Speaker 2: or you know, your dream of coaching guys like him, how.
Speaker 1: Much does that fly under the radar of what he
Speaker 1: brings to the table because you never have to worry
Speaker 1: about this guy's long snap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it. It's huge.
Speaker 2: And and and guys that that don't have a snapper
Speaker 2: or the first you know, you realize that when you
Speaker 2: you know, when I think we lost him in the
Speaker 2: day A game a couple of years ago out there
Speaker 2: on one of the first punts and we had to
Speaker 2: we were holding on to our our shoes there for
Speaker 2: for a while. I think we had to punt eight
Speaker 2: more times or something in that game. And and uh
Speaker 2: so when you miss your snapper, you know, it's hard,
Speaker 2: it's hard to make it work. It's hard to make
Speaker 2: protection work. And and uh, you know you have.
Speaker 3: To sacrifice in your in your coverage.
Speaker 2: Too, you know, if you don't have a good one
Speaker 2: and and you have to protect your snapper so much,
Speaker 2: if you don't have a guy that can block and
Speaker 2: a guy that throws bad balls, the punters moving all around,
Speaker 2: and and you don't have to worry about that with
Speaker 2: Thomas And you know, I was just really thankful that
Speaker 2: they got him back, you know, and uh and signed
Speaker 2: him to another another good deal for him.
Speaker 3: I was really happy for him.
Speaker 1: How about Legatron year one? And also I was looking
Speaker 1: back at some quotes besides writing a story about special
Speaker 1: teams in your units, you said during the year that
Speaker 1: you think he's got the ability to set the NFL
Speaker 1: record as far as long as field goal.
Speaker 2: I truly think he does, you know, especially in Denver
Speaker 2: or something like that. On a on a good day,
Speaker 2: Absolutely he's he's uh, you know, I mean regularly kicks
Speaker 2: him sixty two, sixty three and with plenty left, you know,
Speaker 2: even sixty five with plenty left. So I think he's
Speaker 2: for sure got a got a shot to do it
Speaker 2: out in Denver or something like that. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's progressively gotten better. I think he had what do
Speaker 2: you have eleven kicks over fifty yards last year or
Speaker 2: something like that, way more than anybody else in the league, right,
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, I thought he didn't handle
Speaker 2: that really well and hit a couple of really big
Speaker 2: field goals, and and you know, it's to have a
Speaker 2: veteran group like that with with Zee and with Thomas
Speaker 2: and and Haney. I think that all these that that
Speaker 2: room is awesome to coach and awesome to be around
Speaker 2: because everybody really gets along and you can bounce ideas
Speaker 2: off of Hey, what do you guys think here? And
Speaker 2: and here's what I'm thinking, and and they'll sit there
Speaker 2: and they'll tell you the truth, you know. And so
Speaker 2: I've got a really good relationship with all three of him,
Speaker 2: and that's, uh, you know, that's part of it in
Speaker 2: this business.
Speaker 3: And I really like that you.
Speaker 1: Go to Denver early this season. I think it's week five, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the weather should be pretty good there. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: pregame warm ups, if it's a sunny day in Denver,
Speaker 1: it's let's say it's sixty, how far will you attempt
Speaker 1: it in pregame warmups?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously all based on game situation, how
Speaker 2: you feel when you get to the game, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's all how he feels and how he feels like
Speaker 2: he's kicking that day and things like that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But before the game, do you, guys, you let him
Speaker 1: just determine, like how far he wants to take.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have him go back and try to kick
Speaker 2: a seventy yard right, no, you know, but I mean
Speaker 2: he'll test it a little bit, you know, and and
Speaker 2: try to kick a sixty in a sixty two or
Speaker 2: something like that. You know that he kicks all the time,
Speaker 2: and if we feel good about it and it's you know,
Speaker 2: and a half in the game, something like that. So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sit situation where we feel like we've
Speaker 2: got a shot and you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll give it a ride.
Speaker 1: Who knows, if it's then and a half in Denver,
Speaker 1: you might have little winds at your back. Who knows, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in sixty eight yards something like that, right, I never know.
Speaker 3: You never know.
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Speaker 1: Justin Hardy, how much of a pleasure has he been
Speaker 1: to coach for you?
Speaker 2: He's been He's been awesome, the leader he's become in this,
Speaker 2: in this for this team, and and you know what
Speaker 2: he means to our our special Teams group, just is
Speaker 2: uh is huge. And I can't can't say that loud enough.
Speaker 2: You know, the guy is is a consummate professional. You know,
Speaker 2: works his butt off, works harder than anybody out there
Speaker 2: on our Special Teams units. You know, and obviously he's
Speaker 2: turned himself into a dominating player and he's gotten better
Speaker 2: since he's been here at multiple phases. You know, I
Speaker 2: think he's a lot better on kickoff. He's he's always
Speaker 2: been pretty good upon return and he's he's done done
Speaker 2: a really really good job of of you know, I
Speaker 2: think taking the coaching and and and like a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of times, some of these guys that
Speaker 2: have experienced they you know, they won't listen as well
Speaker 2: as he did. And that the difference in Hardy and
Speaker 2: some other guys is Hardy wants to be coached. And
Speaker 2: and that's awesome when you get a veteran guy that
Speaker 2: has had as much as as as he has that
Speaker 2: that wants to be coaching. He wants to be coach
Speaker 2: hard And and you know, that's a really good example
Speaker 2: to set in the room that there's you know, you
Speaker 2: can always learn something, you know, coaches and players, we
Speaker 2: can always learn something. And and uh, you know, I
Speaker 2: think that's part of what makes him great.
Speaker 1: In terms of punk coverage. How much do you like
Speaker 1: the fact that you do have more said kicking nowt
Speaker 1: and you do have Justin on the outside and those
Speaker 1: guys their relationship goes back.
Speaker 3: With long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there there wasn't a happier guy, uh than
Speaker 2: than than Hardy when we when we signed more Stead.
Speaker 2: You know, he was, and and that's not demeaning to
Speaker 2: anybody else. But they're, like you said, their their relationship
Speaker 2: goes goes way beyond that. And you know their friends
Speaker 2: off the field and have known each other for a
Speaker 2: long time, and and they have a comfort level with
Speaker 2: each other and and uh, you know, and they're both
Speaker 2: really really good players and and some of the best
Speaker 2: at their position.
Speaker 1: Punk coverage not the best punk coverage wise, Do you
Speaker 1: think you got the best pair in the league when
Speaker 1: you have Justin and braina?
Speaker 3: I would think so, you know, I think.
Speaker 1: That how's Brandon developed there.
Speaker 2: He's developing, He's doing a really nice job, working hard.
Speaker 2: I think he's he's gotten a lot stronger this offseason,
Speaker 2: and I think that'll be a big difference. You know,
Speaker 2: there's some good Tantem's in this league, but you know,
Speaker 2: our two guys. You know, I wouldn't pick another Tantem
Speaker 2: to go go, you know over these two, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of younger guys in the mix too,
Speaker 2: you know, So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: What about the return situation we're talking here, we're taping
Speaker 1: here and late spring, early summer. With that being said,
Speaker 1: Braxton Burials the last couple of years obviously a mean
Speaker 1: stay back there for you. Now he signing an off
Speaker 1: season with Miami. How do you look at the landscape now?
Speaker 2: You know, you got appreciate what Burios has done, you
Speaker 2: know since he's been here and and uh you all
Speaker 2: missed the guy and the player that he was. But uh,
Speaker 2: you know, wish him all kinds of luck. But uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you've got a group of guys that that
Speaker 2: we'll see where this goes. You got some very capable
Speaker 2: players out there, and you got the group of young
Speaker 2: guys with some veteran guys and you know, Rantal Cobbs
Speaker 2: done it, Hardman's done it. Uh, Deontay Spencer's done it.
Speaker 2: And then you got some young guys like Gibson and
Speaker 2: and uh I isy uh that you know, the rookie
Speaker 2: running back. Uh you know have some kick return stuff
Speaker 2: and Bam and Bam Knight, you know, kick return stuff.
Speaker 2: So you know it'll it'll be a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: we'll see where it goes and and see how they
Speaker 2: do in the preseason and and you know throughout the
Speaker 2: offseason here. You know, so I don't I'm not going
Speaker 2: to make any predictions, but uh, you know, we'll we'll
Speaker 2: we'll find somebody that will do a really good job.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of capable guys there and we'll see
Speaker 2: who shakes out at the end.
Speaker 1: And you never know what happens with rosters throughout the summer.
Speaker 1: In the National Football League, I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: about that undrafted free agent Xavier Gibson, a guy who's
Speaker 1: has got dynamite speed. What did you see from him
Speaker 1: on film during his collegiate career at Stephen F.
Speaker 3: Austin.
Speaker 2: He's he's a guy that that is a that is
Speaker 2: a solid catcher. He tracks the ball really well. You
Speaker 2: know I think that, uh, you know, what he does
Speaker 2: better than almost anybody in the in the draft that
Speaker 2: I had seen is is is he will he will
Speaker 2: vertically get you. You know, he'll stretch and he'll cut.
Speaker 2: You know, he can put one foot in the ground
Speaker 2: and get vertical on you right away. So he'll get
Speaker 2: you stretching, stretching sideways and then he can put a
Speaker 2: vertical foot in the ground when all these other guys
Speaker 2: are still going sideways. And those guys are really really
Speaker 2: hard to tackle. And you know, I went and worked
Speaker 2: him out, and just to give you a little insight,
Speaker 2: I went and worked him out in uh In Steven F. Austin,
Speaker 2: and then they had to there were storms coming in
Speaker 2: later in the in the afternoon, I drove all the
Speaker 2: way to beautiful Nacadocias, Texas and uh you know, flew
Speaker 2: into Houston, I think, and drove all the way up there,
Speaker 2: but how far I think it was like a three
Speaker 2: hour two and a half three hours. And I drove
Speaker 2: up there and they had to move the practice up
Speaker 2: for spring ball because there were storms coming in. So
Speaker 2: I think they were starting at eight o'clock. So I
Speaker 2: told him to meet me at seven o'clock or I
Speaker 2: said six forty five, seven o'clock. I'll see you there
Speaker 2: on the on the field. And I showed up at
Speaker 2: six fifteen in the dark. It was pitch dark, and
Speaker 2: he's sitting there waiting on me. So, you know, guys
Speaker 2: like that, You know, I love guys like that that
Speaker 2: are willing to work. And he's a really good kid.
Speaker 2: He works real hard, and you know he's been he's
Speaker 2: been been noticeably training really hard and stuff like that
Speaker 2: with his catch mechanics and things like that. He's done
Speaker 2: a nice job. And you know he's in the mix
Speaker 2: with a bunch of guys right there, and we'll see
Speaker 2: how he shakes out.
Speaker 1: What do you do with a kid like that when
Speaker 1: you're working them out and they're in rural Texas on
Speaker 1: a night.
Speaker 3: In the dark yest half in the dark too.
Speaker 2: It was pretty funny because we finished the workout as
Speaker 2: the team's just starting to come out, and and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it was pretty funny that you know, you're
Speaker 2: just putting through all the drills that you can and
Speaker 2: half the time, you know, they're shooting the equipment.
Speaker 3: Guys are shooting the.
Speaker 2: Jugs to him, and and I'm making him run all
Speaker 2: over the place, and and you know, hell, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if you could see the ball half the time.
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny. So it was almost still dark. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we had to get it done before spring ball started.
Speaker 1: You know, I got to imagine the scouts are on
Speaker 1: the phone because that's the way this process works. It's
Speaker 1: only seven rounds in the NFL drafts, so the scouts
Speaker 1: got to start targeting guys making those calls and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we're going to give you a call. We're interested in
Speaker 1: picking you. Up as a non drafted free agent. For you,
Speaker 1: what was it like in terms of him specifically Gibson, Well.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to hope. I was hoping that
Speaker 2: we got him, and you know, I was really happy
Speaker 2: when he obviously when he said, hey, you know, I
Speaker 2: want to come there and play there. So you know,
Speaker 2: any kid that's that's willing to work like that, willing
Speaker 2: to show up early and things like he did, Uh
Speaker 2: that that went a long way for me. And and
Speaker 2: you know what he the you know, everybody in the
Speaker 2: in the background, from the coaches, the quipment guys like
Speaker 2: took him to to breakfast after we worked out, and
Speaker 2: you know, all the people in the town are coming
Speaker 2: up and giving him hugs, and you could tell you
Speaker 2: he's well respected and well liked and and you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's the kind of person that you want to
Speaker 3: bring to your culture.
Speaker 2: And and uh, you know, hopefully he h he shows
Speaker 2: out and does a really great, you know, good job,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's going to be a hell of
Speaker 2: a competition with with those three or four guys back there,
Speaker 2: and we'll see who comes out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of competition, as far as the rookies are concerned,
Speaker 1: what do you think about some of these late round picks.
Speaker 1: JBC from LSU A Burner, a guy's got a lot
Speaker 1: of experience playing different positions on defense. Yeah, when you
Speaker 1: take a guy late in the drafts, they're going to
Speaker 1: be expected to contribute on special teams. Then Zaier Barnes,
Speaker 1: a kid who's long and athletic, he's going to compete
Speaker 1: for that third linebacker spot. But also then he play
Speaker 1: a lot of teams in college. And then yeah he
Speaker 1: got a freak in the seventh round. Yeah, the tight
Speaker 1: end from Old Dominion, Zach Koth right there.
Speaker 2: You know, I just I just finished up literally ten
Speaker 2: minutes ago in our meeting with them, and and you
Speaker 2: know all you know, white eyed, puppy looking kids. Man,
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty funny how young these kids look to
Speaker 2: me now in these days. But they're all really good,
Speaker 2: really good kids, uh, really coming along, learning really well.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, you got some other free agent
Speaker 2: linebackers that are that are gonna get people runs for
Speaker 2: their money as well, and and uh, you know a
Speaker 2: bunch of rookies that could could possibly help us, and
Speaker 2: you know, we need some help, and you know, hopefully
Speaker 2: they can come through and and uh, you know, you
Speaker 2: got to you know, Converse has a ton of.
Speaker 3: Speed and and uh you know.
Speaker 2: So does the Coons. The tight end and Barns can run,
Speaker 2: and all these guys can run. You know, Now, how
Speaker 2: fast can they get up to speed on on scheme
Speaker 2: and and and physicality and everything that it takes to
Speaker 2: be in this league? And that's that's what's gonna wait
Speaker 2: to be seen. But I'm excited about this group, you know,
Speaker 2: Xavier and all these guys, uh, all these rookie players
Speaker 2: that we brought in and you know, a substantial number
Speaker 2: this year, which is good, and we'll see where it
Speaker 2: shakes out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be. It's always interesting from your
Speaker 1: perspective because when you talk about the running back room,
Speaker 1: Bam nightest part of that. But then you draft a
Speaker 1: ban of Condah in the fourth or fifth round out
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh and you talked about him potentially helping you
Speaker 1: on teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I mean he's got some solid kickoff
Speaker 2: return production and played some special teams in his younger,
Speaker 2: younger career and uh so you know, he's he's a
Speaker 2: guy that everybody's excited about. And we'll put him out
Speaker 2: there and see what happens. You know, Bam was was
Speaker 2: doing a really nice job, you know, kick returning, and
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, it would have been the guy
Speaker 2: if Burrios wasn't here. You know, he had Burios here,
Speaker 2: who was a proven guy. But you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have hesitated to put Bam in at all. I mean
Speaker 2: he was He's a legit returner in this league, I think.
Speaker 3: And and so.
Speaker 2: We'll see, you know, there's a bunch of guys going
Speaker 2: for that spot as well, So we'll see how all
Speaker 2: shakes out and the roster dynamics and and stuff. Hopefully
Speaker 2: we can find a dual guy that can do them
Speaker 2: both and and but if not, then we'll we'll parcel
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long camp, a long summer because
Speaker 1: you guys report early, but the fourth preseason game you
Speaker 1: more than anybody else. Does that help.
Speaker 2: You you get another look at him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think that, you know, certainly
Speaker 2: it helps getting a better a better feel for the guys.
Speaker 2: And it's just another extra week that we can get
Speaker 2: these young guys a step further and and spend some
Speaker 2: more time with them. And and that's going to be
Speaker 2: critical in the way to develop and and things like that.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about that. You know, they're gonna
Speaker 2: need it, and just like every rookie does, you know,
Speaker 2: and and our and our team needs it, you know,
Speaker 2: So we'll see where it goes from there.
Speaker 1: All right, Listen to another life way back when assistant
Speaker 1: Special teams coach for the Indianapolis Colts, and your two
Speaker 1: kickers were Adam Vinettieri Vintieri and.
Speaker 3: Pet macfa McFee. Yeah, do you have.
Speaker 1: Me inside knowledge on what Rogers was gonna say on
Speaker 1: Pat McFee on March fifteenth?
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 2: That is that is the That is the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is the truth, And no, I didn't. I'm just
Speaker 2: happy for, you know, obviously, for Aaron to be here
Speaker 2: and and the difference it's going to make on this
Speaker 2: team as far as like what what this, what he's
Speaker 2: gonna what he's going to mean to this team leadership
Speaker 2: wise and and things like that. I think it's really
Speaker 2: really cool. You know, I played with Dan Marino and
Speaker 2: and uh to see the fire and things that they
Speaker 2: didn't have when you when you play Aaron Rodgers against
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, he has that same fire and it's really
Speaker 2: really cool to see even out of practice right now.
Speaker 3: And and uh, you.
Speaker 2: Know, speaking of Pat McFee, I'm just happy signed that
Speaker 2: new deal and good for him and his new family.
Speaker 3: And that's really awesome.
Speaker 1: For what's it been like watching Rogers operate here?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's it's cool to see, you know, it's
Speaker 2: cool to see how how much he helps the guys
Speaker 2: and how he you know, demands all these guys be
Speaker 2: at their best and and that's what's mating great all
Speaker 2: these years. You know, I think that it's going to
Speaker 2: do nothing but make this team better. You know, I
Speaker 2: think when when players, you know, everybody wants to be
Speaker 2: liked in these days, you know, instead of being respected.
Speaker 2: And I always tell them, tell the guys it's better
Speaker 2: to be respected than liked.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: And guys that are willing to do that and you know,
Speaker 2: in the right way and correct their teammates, and you know,
Speaker 2: when they're doing the right stuff themselves, like like he's
Speaker 2: going to do and and he has certain things that
Speaker 2: he wants to get done, and and he wants you
Speaker 2: to do things a certain way, and he's going to
Speaker 2: pull guys aside and and and tell him how he
Speaker 2: wants it done. And I think that's awesome. I really do,
Speaker 2: and especially a guy that has as many pelts on
Speaker 2: the wall as he does, you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 1: Totally different players, but do you see a lot of
Speaker 1: similarities with him and Marino the way they especially have
Speaker 1: that presence.
Speaker 2: Or presence when you're when you're around the great ones
Speaker 2: like that, I like, you know, it's like when I
Speaker 2: was in Indie with Andrew Luck. When you're around dudes
Speaker 2: like that, you know that walk in a huddle and
Speaker 2: they command a presence like that.
Speaker 3: That's what That's what you see here.
Speaker 2: That's what I've seen with Marino my rookie year, Bernie
Speaker 2: Kosar I played with also, and so guys like that
Speaker 2: that are I mean, those they're they're killers, man. They're
Speaker 2: they're really, really really good players for a reason, and
Speaker 2: that's because they're they're so good at what they do,
Speaker 2: and they're so so meticulous about how they prepare and
Speaker 2: and their their game prep and and their body and
Speaker 2: everything like that.
Speaker 3: That's what makes them great.
Speaker 1: How much is Rogers going to change things for you guys,
Speaker 1: because I gotta imagine probably punting on less and if
Speaker 1: you're punting. You're probably punting a little bit more favorable
Speaker 1: situations where hey, maybe we got a couple first downs.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is Rogers throughout his career has
Speaker 1: been exceptional in the red zone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's been fantastic.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's all stuff that you know, will
Speaker 2: wait to see how much it changes.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We we've been doing some some studies on some things
Speaker 2: that you know, maybe in the past that I haven't studied.
Speaker 2: You know, we haven't done a ton of work on
Speaker 2: is you know, because there wasn't many situations like that. Well,
Speaker 2: now we're doing more situational stuff. You know, obviously we
Speaker 2: did the work, but what I'm saying is like going
Speaker 2: going doing all these extra projections and studies and things
Speaker 2: like that that that the situations that we haven't been
Speaker 2: in very much, you know, in the past since I've
Speaker 2: been here.
Speaker 1: Without giving away too many state secrets, can you can
Speaker 1: you touch upon something I can't?
Speaker 3: I can't?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all respect that, but that's a big part
Speaker 1: of the off season, right. Yeah, And that also speaks
Speaker 1: to okay, we might have to change things up as
Speaker 1: far as what personnel is actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, the game situations that
Speaker 2: we'll be in are going to be totally different. You know,
Speaker 2: do you want do you want to pressure as much?
Speaker 2: Do you want to do return as much? Do you
Speaker 2: want to do all this stuff that sometimes that that
Speaker 2: we needed to get back into the game in certain situations?
Speaker 2: Do we do we need to play a little more safe?
Speaker 2: Do we need to be more aggressive in certain areas?
Speaker 2: Things like that are all gonna are all going to change,
Speaker 2: you know, I would assume and and uh, it's going
Speaker 2: to be cool to see see how it all works out.
Speaker 1: How much do you love and how much do you
Speaker 1: hate the challenge of it all? Considering that you're never
Speaker 1: going to have ninety percent of your personnel back or
Speaker 1: eighty percent of your personnel back. That's just the nature
Speaker 1: of life in the National Football League, especially for special
Speaker 1: teams coordinator. But with that being said, it's like a
Speaker 1: chef who's got new ingredients every day. How much do
Speaker 1: you like the task and hate it at the same time.
Speaker 2: There's probably some stuff I can't say yes right, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just nat It is frustrating at times, I won't
Speaker 2: lie to you. But the part that I really enjoy
Speaker 2: about it is that you know, I get to speak
Speaker 2: to the whole team and I and I have a
Speaker 2: relationship with the entire team, even the offense and defensive
Speaker 2: lineman because they're on our stuff too. And and that
Speaker 2: part and the puzzle making that you have to put
Speaker 2: figure out where to put everybody and what matches their skills,
Speaker 2: and what are they good at, when aren't they good
Speaker 2: at and and try to get the best mix of
Speaker 2: all those players. And and then you know, if there's
Speaker 2: sudden changes at the you know, before game one of
Speaker 2: the regular season, like there always is, you know, guys
Speaker 2: that you were counting on and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: there's three or four guys not here, then it just
Speaker 2: throws it into a tail spin and you have to
Speaker 2: turn around and figure it out. And you know, that's
Speaker 2: why you cross train everybody. And that's why you you know,
Speaker 2: you're always trying to plan ahead for for you know,
Speaker 2: things that could possibly happen, you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: whether you lose a guy here, lose a guy there,
Speaker 2: You're always trying to cross train people for for their
Speaker 2: positions and things like that. That part of the game
Speaker 2: is is is really cool to me because because it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's something that you know, it's it's hard
Speaker 2: to do, and and.
Speaker 1: You're tagging a different puzzle every year.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then and you create relationships with all these guys
Speaker 2: and and you know, part of this businesses is they're
Speaker 2: not going to play for you unless and unless they trust.
Speaker 3: You, and and and.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that's part really part about why
Speaker 2: I do this, and and it's really cool. The part
Speaker 2: about being a coach is that you develop all these
Speaker 2: relationships with the guys and and you're trying to take
Speaker 2: them to where they don't think they can go themselves.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's that's the real cool part for
Speaker 2: me in this business.
Speaker 1: What do you like in that meeting room with the guys?
Speaker 1: Is your intensity personified? I think people should go look
Speaker 1: at some of your own film. Does it swarm Brandon Boy?
Speaker 1: Back in the day with Arizona? And then you're a
Speaker 1: six round pick. Not a lot of six round picks.
Speaker 1: Played ten years in the football league.
Speaker 2: I was pretty lucky, very fortunate. You know, I had
Speaker 2: some guys that liked me. How I say it that way,
Speaker 2: you know that I mean, you know, I try to
Speaker 2: try to help these guys all the time and and
Speaker 2: try to you know, I've done everything that they're doing,
Speaker 2: and I've been through everything that they've been through. And
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, the more I can try
Speaker 2: to relay that to them and you know, show them
Speaker 2: the pitfalls that could be in this business or if
Speaker 2: you don't do this, here's what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: And I try to be brutally.
Speaker 2: Honest with everybody, and and you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: help them and trying to help them in their career.
Speaker 2: And you know, I have relationships off the field with
Speaker 2: with a lot of these guys and and things like that,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know it's awesome man, that that's that's
Speaker 2: why you do it.
Speaker 3: You try to get back and help.
Speaker 1: How different is the vibe around here this year as
Speaker 1: we're about to embark in the twenty twenty three season
Speaker 1: as opposed to maybe any of the eight previous offseasons
Speaker 1: you've had here.
Speaker 2: Oh, the actual state expectations are going to be are
Speaker 2: really really high.
Speaker 3: And I think that's awesome. Yeah, you know, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think that you know, you can't walk the walk
Speaker 2: and if you're you know, if you're not gonna if
Speaker 2: you're going to talk to talk.
Speaker 3: You can't walk the walk, you know.
Speaker 2: And you know, we look really good on paper, and
Speaker 2: we got to come out and we got to show
Speaker 2: that we're as good as this team, you know, and
Speaker 2: we'll see how good we are. And and I think
Speaker 2: it's going to be a physical team.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I really look forward to seeing how this team matures
Speaker 2: together and plays together. And I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be fun to see where this ends up.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think about the schedule release?
Speaker 1: NFL thinks you guys are going to be good. Five
Speaker 1: prime time games, the first ever Black Friday game, as well.
Speaker 3: A lot of late nights. Buddy, Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 3: late nights.
Speaker 1: But for a special team respective, I got to imagine
Speaker 1: the guys are pretty juiced up play under the lights.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the NFL is gonna.
Speaker 2: Be watching absolutely anytime that that. Uh, you know, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, Saul and Joe and mister Johnson and all
Speaker 2: these guys have done such a great job getting all
Speaker 2: these players in. So the league is starting to notice
Speaker 2: things are changing around here. And since I've been here,
Speaker 2: it's been a total reversal of what it was when
Speaker 2: I came here. And I'm really excited to see see
Speaker 2: what happens. And and uh, and I love that the
Speaker 2: pressure is on us, I really do, because now now
Speaker 2: you're performed, you know, and we got to back it up,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm happy. I like it.
Speaker 1: I love it as well. What you got planned for
Speaker 1: the summer? Any hunt and fish?
Speaker 2: Got where we go on a ton of fishing trips
Speaker 2: all through Montana and Wyoming. And and uh, I'll be
Speaker 2: up in Idoha for a little while, and and my
Speaker 2: my family will come out for for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: And I got a wedding in Vegas for for two
Speaker 2: or three days.
Speaker 1: That sounds good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then but most of all, just floating down rivers
Speaker 2: and fishing, buddy, just camping on the river.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what are you fishing for in Montana?
Speaker 3: Trout?
Speaker 2: What about my own trout? All trout? Yeah, all fly
Speaker 2: fishing for trout, So all fish five six days a
Speaker 2: week when my family's not in, you know, all fish
Speaker 2: maybe three days a week.
Speaker 3: When my family's in. But when of my family's not there,
Speaker 3: I'll be up there every day almost.
Speaker 1: Are you're gonna do any hunting or just fishing?
Speaker 3: Just fishing, okay, just fishing.
Speaker 1: I keep on saying it every year, but I gotta
Speaker 1: come out anytime.
Speaker 3: Anytime you want to come out, You're welcome, Thanks Brent,
Speaker 3: all right, anytime,