WEBVTT - The Judge Joe Stephens Episode

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet you know boys is back and redoad it all

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<v Speaker 2>in your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now deep throating.

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<v Speaker 2>This is for the streets, the real the railroading, the distenfranchise,

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<v Speaker 2>the truth escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.

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<v Speaker 2>The North South East coaches, the ge be not for

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<v Speaker 2>keeping your head bobbing.

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<v Speaker 4>It ain't no.

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<v Speaker 2>Stopping and once to be drops head by and then

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<v Speaker 2>the system is so corrupt they threw.

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<v Speaker 3>The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get it twisted on coding. We danced it for

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<v Speaker 3>no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all reloaded with another

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<v Speaker 3>episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through

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<v Speaker 3>this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, just Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Stevens going on, brother, what's.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you man?

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<v Speaker 3>It is so good to see your evolution. I've been

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<v Speaker 3>knowing you a couple of decades now, and you've all

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<v Speaker 3>always been a stand up progressive guy, always rooted in

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<v Speaker 3>the community, always got a positive word, never caught up

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<v Speaker 3>in anything scandalous.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank god, how do you do it well? Thank God?

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<v Speaker 4>There was no cell phones when we came up with

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<v Speaker 4>the cameras and whatnot, bro, because you know we used

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<v Speaker 4>to man when I was playing ball and when you

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<v Speaker 4>come to the house, we had some good times. But

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<v Speaker 4>grace of God man, and good parents, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I had. I had great upbringing.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't thank Joseph and Shiryl Stevens enough just for

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<v Speaker 4>you know, man in still in church and me and

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<v Speaker 4>still in you know, knowing right from wrong, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean? And uh and and really, man, I

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<v Speaker 4>never had a yes men around me, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean. All my partner's been solid my day one,

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<v Speaker 4>still down with me, and that that kind of kept

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<v Speaker 4>me rooted.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, you know you.

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<v Speaker 3>You went to North Shore, I did, now did you?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you born in Houston or Riverside?

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<v Speaker 4>I was born in Riversi, California. Moved out here when

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<v Speaker 4>I was like six, and but I tended to glean

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<v Speaker 4>the Park School with my whole life from elementary. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm east side of Houston all day long.

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<v Speaker 3>And then became a board member for Cleena Park School District.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>How cool is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Even? Man? Even I mean, if you know, if you

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<v Speaker 4>remember this, I was, I was heavy in the mortgage

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<v Speaker 4>game after playing ball on the mortgage company a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of blocks from here and never forgets you came through

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<v Speaker 4>with the Chrysler three hundred on switches, remember that after Katrina,

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<v Speaker 4>and we was we've always kind of thought the same.

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<v Speaker 4>We was like, man, you know what, I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to give my money the Red Cross. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>go put my money in somebody hands that needs it.

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<v Speaker 4>And me and you jumped into Chrysler hiding switches out

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<v Speaker 4>in front of the Convention Center and walked through. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't even know, looking back, I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if it was a great idea, but we did. I

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<v Speaker 4>know we impacted some families and put some money in

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<v Speaker 4>some folks hand after Katrina. Man, so I applied you, brother,

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<v Speaker 4>because you've always had a benevolent heart as well. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's why we've always kind of been kindred

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<v Speaker 4>spirits man, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Man walk us through growing up. Do you even

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<v Speaker 3>remember any parts of Riverside, California? Yeah, well no, I

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<v Speaker 3>used to go back there.

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<v Speaker 4>No that game banging My dad got me out of

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<v Speaker 4>there because you know from his I ain't gonna say

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<v Speaker 4>which family members, but man, game bangers. Man. My cousins

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<v Speaker 4>are dead. You know, I've got cousins that shot in

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<v Speaker 4>the face. Had I grown up in Riverside, ain't no

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<v Speaker 4>telling what I would be, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, the gang culture was heavy out there,

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<v Speaker 4>all my cousins out there. Bang. I still go back.

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<v Speaker 4>I still go back and visit family, man, But it

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<v Speaker 4>was rough. It was rough. I grew up right around

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<v Speaker 4>the corner from Bobby Bond's Park. Anybody knows Riverside, go back.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to go back and hoop at Bobby Bonds Park.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember Kawhi when Kawhi was coming up. He's a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of kid hooping at the same rec center

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<v Speaker 4>in Riverside. Riversidees put out a lot of talent, man.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad played for Jerry Tarcanan a Riverside Community college.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, you know, you got a lot of cats.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you got girl girl golfer, probably the next Tiger

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<v Speaker 4>Woods Mari Avers from Riverside. Riverside puts out a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of talent, man. A lot of good athletes come out

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<v Speaker 4>of Riverside.

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<v Speaker 3>Your daughter is a pretty good athlete.

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<v Speaker 4>She does she does okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's world

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<v Speaker 4>class golf. She's a Texas A and M now man,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's red shirting this year but improving every day.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, she's uh, you know, got a good chance, man,

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<v Speaker 4>she got a shot to be LPG professional. She's playing

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<v Speaker 4>in a couple of LPG events. We got to qualify

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<v Speaker 4>her next month for another one. She got invited to

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen holes and she if she shoots the lower score,

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<v Speaker 4>she'll be in the Cognizant LPGA event in May Man.

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<v Speaker 4>So very proud of her.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good. Yeah, what's her ig? Everybody need to go.

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<v Speaker 4>She's Alan Stevens Golf, a l L y n S

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<v Speaker 4>t E p h e n S Golf, Alan Stevens

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<v Speaker 4>golf man. You see a bunch of pictures ride hip

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<v Speaker 4>and put augusta National Tiger Woods kind of leads a rice.

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<v Speaker 4>She's she's a celebrity. Family man. I'm just I'm just dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Well you you're a very important dad because

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<v Speaker 3>you've always been rooted in family, like real strong. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just something. I'm not just saying, oh this is my family.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just doing what i gotta do. Nah, you're very

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<v Speaker 3>intentional with your with your children. You know, you're very

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<v Speaker 3>intentional with your marriage, your friends, you know, your business.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you just passed the damn boy exam.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, dude. It's the man. Think

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<v Speaker 4>about that. Man. When we came from DOC, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even look man. And I hadn't been a saint man

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<v Speaker 4>like I was. You know, I'm a judge now, but

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<v Speaker 4>I try to sell some dope on Fleming back in

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<v Speaker 4>the day, you know, on the on the east Side,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. But but you you evolve, man,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and when your when you when you when

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<v Speaker 4>you're when your when your parents plant seeds in fertile soil,

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<v Speaker 4>it bears fruit, you know what I mean. And those

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<v Speaker 4>teachings that I learned at home always kind of steered

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<v Speaker 4>me back to the middle of the road before I

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<v Speaker 4>got too far out of bounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's kind of what you know. I practiced that

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<v Speaker 4>in business, and I always try to do people right.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I just have always been a guy. That's that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I want to leave you better than I

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<v Speaker 4>found you, you know what I mean. You know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. So even if you didn't if you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>buy a mortgage from it, if you didn't buy insurance

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<v Speaker 4>from it. If you didn't, you know, support me in whatever way,

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<v Speaker 4>I still want to give you the blueprint, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. And I think that's that's something in

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<v Speaker 4>our community that the elders don't really do, right like

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<v Speaker 4>like like the old school cats that came before us,

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<v Speaker 4>they got it out the mud, so they expect us

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<v Speaker 4>to get it the same way. And and but our contemporaries,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, our Caucasian contemporaries, they get trust left, they

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<v Speaker 4>learn about inheritance, they learned about life insurance, know stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that we had to learn as me and you as

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<v Speaker 4>grown men after we got money. Like nobody taught us that.

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<v Speaker 4>And so man, it's to me. I see it as

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<v Speaker 4>my duty to give a brother the blueprint down the

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<v Speaker 4>way I get my suits made. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna give you the whole blueprint. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we may put this to you ain't look the same

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<v Speaker 4>as I look in it, but I'm gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 4>how to get it, you know what I'm saying. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's something we don't do. Man. We need to start

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<v Speaker 4>sharing information with each other and the brothers, especially the

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<v Speaker 4>NBA fraternity, right like I. You know, when you retire

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<v Speaker 4>from the league and you come back, guys kind of

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<v Speaker 4>look at you like, what do he want? He must

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<v Speaker 4>be broke now, you know what I'm saying. It's like, nah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to tell you what what you know this

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<v Speaker 4>that that white age ain't always right, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's some other ways to invest your money in

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<v Speaker 4>real estate. And and so what I did, I just

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<v Speaker 4>did it. I did it. And then guys came to

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<v Speaker 4>me after they say, what Joe doing? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Joe?

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<v Speaker 4>Joe kind of made me doing good? Man, Joe doing

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<v Speaker 4>better now than he was playing basketball. And then guys

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<v Speaker 4>come back to you. But it's unfortunate that when we

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<v Speaker 4>come back to each other with skeptical of it, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean. But but you'll take this dude

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<v Speaker 4>face value and you don't even know him, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And don't even have a track no track record, and.

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<v Speaker 4>You know me, you know what I'm saying. But that's

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully we break those stigmas in our community, man, and

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<v Speaker 4>get to the point as brothers where we can trust

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<v Speaker 4>each other and stop competing with each other, right, celebrate

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<v Speaker 4>each other's wins, you know, and and and and honestly

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<v Speaker 4>be happy, because look, man, I Jay said it best.

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<v Speaker 4>What's better than one being there too? Especially see from

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<v Speaker 4>the same hue as you. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's kind of live by that.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you said a mouthful when you said I want

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<v Speaker 3>to leave you better than I found you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I have the exact same philosophy when it comes to friends.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to relationships, I look at it like

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<v Speaker 3>anybody that has a relationship with me, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>sow into them on some level and they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be better after meeting me than they would before meeting me.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't. I don't even I don't even believe

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<v Speaker 3>in just having like relationships that are idle like you

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<v Speaker 3>just oh, there's nothing that you can get from being,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in a relationship with me or having having

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<v Speaker 3>a connection to me, a friendship to me. I do

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<v Speaker 3>believe in sharing those recent So I'm not no damn food.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not just gonna just be just giving it up

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<v Speaker 3>to anybody and everybody whatever. But if I'm in a

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with anybody, like I said, whether it's business, platonic, intimate,

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<v Speaker 3>they gonna be better, no question. After I come into

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<v Speaker 3>their life than they was before I came into.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's gonna come back. Man, It's gonna come back,

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<v Speaker 4>and it may. You know, you and I've never really

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<v Speaker 4>done a deal together, but that's coming. You know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, because you planning in fertile soil. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>people think, Man, because I sold right now, I gotta

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<v Speaker 4>read right now too.

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<v Speaker 3>Nah.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, if everybody in your circle is solid and you

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<v Speaker 4>embracing your brother and uplifting your brother, eventually, man, y'all

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<v Speaker 4>gonna break bread together. Period. I'm celebrating your wins. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hoping you win. Everybody I come in contact with, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I sincerely want them to win in life. You know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, because guess what if I got it

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<v Speaker 4>and you ain't got it? Will we can't do nothing together?

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<v Speaker 4>Like like I'm I'm steady trying to pull you up.

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<v Speaker 4>If you got it and I got it, we go

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<v Speaker 4>buy up the whole block on Navigation and develop it

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<v Speaker 4>and bill fifteen twenty townhomes and make two three million.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I got it and you ain't got it,

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<v Speaker 4>what we're gonna do together?

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<v Speaker 3>And there are guys out there who they know that

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<v Speaker 3>they can help you. They know that it wouldn't cost

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<v Speaker 3>them anything. Yeah, man, and they'll sit back and hold

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<v Speaker 3>their nuts and be like, you know what, I ain't

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<v Speaker 3>helping him because if I do, that mean he ain't

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<v Speaker 3>gonna need me no more. That means he might pass

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<v Speaker 3>me up.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>He might.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he may eyes shine me. He might start being

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<v Speaker 3>able to compete with compete against me for the same girls.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, right right right right.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he might get the same kind of house,

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<v Speaker 3>be able to move in my neighborhood. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to say I'm the only one got this type.

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<v Speaker 4>Of which is crazy. You see that in politics, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>I see it right here in Houston. Man. It's some

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<v Speaker 4>people that want to be the king and the kingmaker

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't. And I'm satisfied being the only African American.

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<v Speaker 4>I really want to be the only African American because

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<v Speaker 4>of the prestige that comes with me being the only one.

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<v Speaker 4>Instead of being like I'm in, let me be a

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<v Speaker 4>door opener and a waymaker to let you know, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's our turn, you know what I mean. And I

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<v Speaker 4>know some good qualified people that could carry the maner.

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<v Speaker 4>But just man, just just interested in keeping you out

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<v Speaker 4>of the game so they can be you know, bigger

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<v Speaker 4>than life, which I just I really, man, it pains

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<v Speaker 4>me to see it because I feel like our forefathers,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, Malcolm Martin Luther, even locally man Mickey Leland.

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<v Speaker 4>I just really think those brothers were really about opening doors,

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<v Speaker 4>trying to provide equity for people that look like you

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<v Speaker 4>and I. You know what I'm saying. You go to

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<v Speaker 4>a city like Atlanta, and I talk about this all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. It's a documentary called Maynard m a y

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<v Speaker 4>Naida about the former mayor of Atlanta. Man that oh

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<v Speaker 4>that gout that was super cod will this dude the

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<v Speaker 4>tarmac to the terminal at Hartsville and as Andrew I

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<v Speaker 4>think Andrew Maynard, Yeah, he put it. He got in office,

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<v Speaker 4>man and forced those banks to put people that look

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<v Speaker 4>like you and I on those boards. And therefore, when

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<v Speaker 4>you ride around Atlanta, like Houston, you see Lynn back,

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<v Speaker 4>you see all of these the skyscrapers in Houston are

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<v Speaker 4>built by predominantly firms that don't look like you and I.

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<v Speaker 4>In Atlanta, man, that's us. And what happens is now

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<v Speaker 4>when you have a fundraiser in Atlanta. It's not just

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<v Speaker 4>t I and and and and and and uh what's

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<v Speaker 4>my man named Killer Mike and the producer dude mydir

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<v Speaker 4>uh Tyler Perry doing the fundraisers. You got average dudes

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<v Speaker 4>in the room that you wouldn't even know. But they

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<v Speaker 4>more time me money because they doing business with the

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<v Speaker 4>city in the county in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>They got that money, got money. And I tell people

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, man, stop putting everything on celebrities. Every

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<v Speaker 3>time somebody you know, I'm on line a lot, man,

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<v Speaker 3>and I see these comments from people. Be like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>if all of the apples, if the rappers and the

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<v Speaker 3>athletes would just get together, if the rappers and athletes

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<v Speaker 3>would just get together and put these celebrities black celebrities,

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<v Speaker 3>we could do this. We could have our own team.

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<v Speaker 3>We could, Man, do you understand that the people with

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<v Speaker 3>the most money ain't the ain't the entertainers. It's these

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<v Speaker 3>average everyday businessman or I of getting it like Joe Judge,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Stevens. These are the dudes that are papered up

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<v Speaker 3>on the average. They're gonna have more money overall than

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<v Speaker 3>your athletes.

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<v Speaker 4>Really can't say the whole you know, then you then

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<v Speaker 4>your lebron can't say the whole hood, jay Z can't

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<v Speaker 4>say the hood. Actually, Man, the everyday average person that's

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<v Speaker 4>a voter, if they would participate in the electoral process,

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<v Speaker 4>if they would just beat a solution. Right. I go

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<v Speaker 4>these HOA meetings and civic club meetings all the time

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<v Speaker 4>as the elected official in the hood, and people look

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<v Speaker 4>to the elected official to solve all their problems. And

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<v Speaker 4>I always say, man, do you have any solutions? We

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<v Speaker 4>know what the problem is. My job as a representative

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<v Speaker 4>is to collect all of your ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it to manage it or implement the solution?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, one to listen to it first, right, and hear

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<v Speaker 4>what the concerns of the rank and file are, because

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<v Speaker 4>they're the people that's in the trenches. And then take

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<v Speaker 4>that information and say, oh, this is a valid, viable concern.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the solution. You in the hood, you in the street,

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<v Speaker 4>how do we figure what do you think would work? Well, judge,

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<v Speaker 4>if we had sidewalks, the kids wouldn't have to walk

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<v Speaker 4>on the street to get Man, that's a viable solution.

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<v Speaker 4>That's something we can take to the commissioners or whoever.

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<v Speaker 4>And and lobby for sidewalks. I would tell people that

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<v Speaker 4>watch this podcast, don't just complain, don't be the person

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<v Speaker 4>at the h hi is dtake over. That's the big deal. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>h ch ASD takeover in any solutions, anybody, we know

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<v Speaker 4>what the problem is. We look, the district is gone.

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<v Speaker 4>They took it over. The Republicans took They took it over.

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<v Speaker 4>So explain to people why they took over the district.

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<v Speaker 4>They took over the district because it was underperforming, and namely,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a couple of scandals that went on with

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<v Speaker 4>the district. And it really is some money grab, right.

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<v Speaker 4>They took it over because they could because by all measurables,

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<v Speaker 4>the district had course corrected. They did a complete one

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<v Speaker 4>eighty schools that were f s or b's. Now the

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<v Speaker 4>board that was there that was messing up is gone,

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<v Speaker 4>the superintendent is new. So really it's a money grab

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to know why they took it over.

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<v Speaker 4>But whatever they justified that for, it's been done. So

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<v Speaker 4>now proactively you got to figure out, Okay, what's the

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<v Speaker 4>next step. Can we be involved with the border managers

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<v Speaker 4>rather than a bunch of appointed people by Abbot to

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<v Speaker 4>take over the board that they gonna put eight or

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<v Speaker 4>nine board members now at least hopefully we can have

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<v Speaker 4>some saying that, but we can't talk about what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>We have to propose some solutions going forward. Rather than

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<v Speaker 4>always being reactive, you know what I mean? Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know it, just follow the money with that whole

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<v Speaker 4>deal though, post the takeover, Follow the money and keep

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<v Speaker 4>a close eye on it. And I think if you

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<v Speaker 4>do that, you'll be able to get the district back

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<v Speaker 4>a little quicker than maybe you wouldn't have if you

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<v Speaker 4>weren't as involved. But we got to do something proactive to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, to to stay on top of the situation

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<v Speaker 4>as it stands, which has been taken over. The why behind,

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<v Speaker 4>why did they take it don't matter at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to proactively figure out how we can get

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<v Speaker 4>it back as soon as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you play for the Rockets, Okay, this is where

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<v Speaker 3>you get your This is where you get your first

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<v Speaker 3>taste of fame and public service basic so to speak,

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, I believe it or not. Man, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>athletes do perform a public service people entertainment. It takes

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<v Speaker 3>our mind off the everyday grind, you know, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>an escape for people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you came in after the rockets one.

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<v Speaker 4>Or twenty four. I was ninety six, man, when Barkley

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<v Speaker 4>first got here. That was my first year.

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<v Speaker 3>How was that, dude? How was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>I was his rookie. Man, I was his rookie, so

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<v Speaker 4>you around all of that crazy stuff, but it was

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<v Speaker 4>always you know, it was three thousand dollars here five,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean due to give the shirt off his back.

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<v Speaker 4>He says some of the most outlandish shock value stuff

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<v Speaker 4>you've ever heard in life. But just as far as

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<v Speaker 4>a person, Charles is a good dude. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I'm what I'm what I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>to is, how is chars a good dude?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>When Charles throws his people under the bus regularly, and

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<v Speaker 3>he has all the smoke for black athletes and black

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<v Speaker 3>people in general, but he never ever ever criticizes the

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<v Speaker 3>white community.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah collectively, I think some of that, man is, sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>you can be a victim of your own star them. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>You you come from Leeds, Alabama, number one. Right, You're

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<v Speaker 4>not from a big metropolis and you you get thrust

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<v Speaker 4>into this stardom, so you and some of that you

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<v Speaker 4>transcend color because when you start gets so bright like you,

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<v Speaker 4>you can easily forget the worst drug known. The man

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<v Speaker 4>is fame, right, I mean, you know it's and and

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<v Speaker 4>you I see it. Even in politics here locally, people

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<v Speaker 4>get a roll on when they win election or they

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<v Speaker 4>win elected position, and it changes people. I think some

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<v Speaker 4>of that may be losing touch with where you're from

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<v Speaker 4>and who your people are. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't speak to why he does it on a

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<v Speaker 4>personal level. What I know about him has always been

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<v Speaker 4>good to me. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give you my thoughts or what I thank

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<v Speaker 3>you wife. I think he does it. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>does it because the head honchos at ESPN, ESPN, T

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<v Speaker 3>and T Company they tell him to do it. They

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<v Speaker 3>see he's been pretty consistent.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been pretty consistent though before that, Before that, before

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<v Speaker 4>he was he was he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was consistently a drunken and out of control person who

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<v Speaker 3>would disturb the peace. He was consistently that dude allowed

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<v Speaker 3>my wild dude you know who was anti establishment. But

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<v Speaker 3>once he got the job at TNT, he settled in

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<v Speaker 3>and he started wearing wigs. He allowed them people to

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<v Speaker 3>put wigs on them, put makeup on him, put dresses

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<v Speaker 3>on them, put high hair shoes on them, put earrings

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<v Speaker 3>in his ears. He and he kissed an old white

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<v Speaker 3>dude All Star Weekend in the mouth, you know. So

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<v Speaker 3>he did he did all of these things. And like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, this dude consistently throws black people under the bus.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Steven A. He has a lot to say when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to black athletes in particular. And when I

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<v Speaker 3>say he has a lot to say, he has a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of bad things to say. He has a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of vitriol when a black person, a black player, gets

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<v Speaker 3>out of pocket likewise Charles do. But when it's somebody white.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take the Jerry Jones situation, no comment on, no comment,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jerry Jones is a good guy. Let me be clear,

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry Jones.

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<v Speaker 4>Will, that's that's us as black people, though, Will, that's

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<v Speaker 4>been We've had some of us, We've had house folks.

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<v Speaker 3>That's some of us.

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<v Speaker 4>Feel folks since the beginning of the time, and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 4>we've not been unified on a whole lot as a people.

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<v Speaker 4>Shaq and Kenny been solid. Shaq and Kennedy been solid.

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<v Speaker 4>Charles has been Charles for a long time, and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think you it's no different than again here locally,

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<v Speaker 4>when people wanting to keep certain people out of certain

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<v Speaker 4>seats and certain positions, they want to be the king

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<v Speaker 4>and the kingmaker. The guy has his views and and

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<v Speaker 4>and and he's assimilated to a certain level in life

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<v Speaker 4>where he doesn't feel like he's us anymore. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you just I'm telling you this dude has

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<v Speaker 3>drinking the kool Aid. He's he's drink the kool Aid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't agree with a lot of his dress. He's

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<v Speaker 3>he's drink the kool Aid, and drink the kool Aid,

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<v Speaker 3>and he uh goes out and he's saying the things

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<v Speaker 3>that these networks, just like stephen A and what's her name?

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<v Speaker 3>Cannis Ones and the one before her.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the other dash the girl yet did before.

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<v Speaker 3>Her, they are basically parroting.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't help.

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<v Speaker 3>What the networks tell them. What these guys are saying.

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<v Speaker 3>They say the things that the network executives can't say

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<v Speaker 3>in public, but you know they saying.

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<v Speaker 4>It in from on behalf of those guy, Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 4>know what it is. Man. But to your question, man,

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<v Speaker 4>as as a as a member of that team. The

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<v Speaker 4>guy was was a good dude in terms of as

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<v Speaker 4>me for me as a rookie, he took care of

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<v Speaker 4>me as a rookie.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess people can change for the worst, just

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<v Speaker 3>like they can change for the best. You change for

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<v Speaker 3>the best.

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<v Speaker 4>But even yeah, even even with his views then I

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<v Speaker 4>never agreed with something. I've been more pro us, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>for a long time, and you just you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>learned how to operate in certain arenas, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really judge people for their stances, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I you know, I'll be the first to say

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm I advocate for African Americans every chance I get,

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<v Speaker 4>because I realized that we need equity. I realized that

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<v Speaker 4>we've been underserved, undervalued, overlooked for far too long. And

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<v Speaker 4>I would hope that if I ever get the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of money those guys have, I'll keep that same stance.

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<v Speaker 4>But I've been in the rooms with Jordan, I've been

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<v Speaker 4>in the room with Barkley, and unfortunately, sometimes fame can

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<v Speaker 4>make you lose sight of the plight of black folks,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. And I just hope that

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<v Speaker 4>guys like those guys and have big voices. But he

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<v Speaker 4>told you a long time ago, we win the role model,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? Like like you know, so

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<v Speaker 4>you know it's unfortunate that that all of us don't

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<v Speaker 4>advocate for us the way we should with the platforms

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<v Speaker 4>we have.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the truth of the matter is all of us

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<v Speaker 3>are role models. Uh good or bad with role models?

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<v Speaker 3>We either good role model or with bad room, no question,

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<v Speaker 3>all of us a role model.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gottle boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after

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<v Speaker 1>the break.

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<v Speaker 3>When you went undrafted after playing your in college? Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>how did that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 4>It was crazy man, because I was roommates with Derek Fisher.

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 4>I was teammates with Derek Fisher in college, and Derek

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<v Speaker 4>Man I had a good senior year, was bawling sacrifice

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<v Speaker 4>for the team. Wimp Sanderson was my college coach, so

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 4>Wimp coached me at Alabama. He coached Latrell Spreewell, Robert Rory,

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 4>James Hollywood, Robinson, James Caffey. Wimp probably had fifteen guys

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<v Speaker 4>in the league under his tutelage under his under his

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<v Speaker 4>from from Alabama at the from when he left Alabama

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<v Speaker 4>and came to coach my school at Little Rock Spree

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<v Speaker 4>Well and orient them. Guys was already in the league

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<v Speaker 4>when he was coaching me, so he had an umbrella

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.679
<v Speaker 4>of guys that he you know, you know, if you

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 4>play for WIMP, you gonna have a good chance to

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<v Speaker 4>make to the league. So when the season was over,

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<v Speaker 4>we we won the Sunbelt Conference, we almost made ANSTAA Tournament,

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<v Speaker 4>lost first round n I T and the pre pro

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<v Speaker 4>season camp started having in Chicago Portsmith, all those camps,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm not getting invited to nothing. I don't have

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<v Speaker 4>an agent, nothing, and I'm looking at the coaches like, damn, man,

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<v Speaker 4>what you know what about me? And man, I came

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<v Speaker 4>home and uh, you know, back then we had two newspapers,

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 4>the Houston Chronicle in the Houston Posts. I'm dating myself

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 4>now and my dad is reading the Houston Post and

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<v Speaker 4>he said, Jojo, they got an open tryout at HBU.

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<v Speaker 4>You should go over there and try to see if

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<v Speaker 4>you can get in the drills. But I wasn't invited.

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<v Speaker 4>I just so happened to be going to sugar Land

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<v Speaker 4>that day to work out past HBU on fifty nine

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<v Speaker 4>and my boy pulled over and knock on the door.

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<v Speaker 4>And guy remember me from high school, like Joe Still.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, I remember, Yeah, what have you been doing?

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 4>I played a little rock day, said man, jumping the

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<v Speaker 4>drills just like that, jumping the drills. And I was

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<v Speaker 4>already dressed cause I was going to work out in

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<v Speaker 4>sugar Land.

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<v Speaker 3>Pause for a moment. You said, your boy pulled up,

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<v Speaker 3>pulled up and sit and knocked on the door.

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<v Speaker 4>I at HBU at the gym. He got off fifty Dwayne,

0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, Dwayne tallcat is with me all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>He jumps off fifty nine and pulls up to the

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<v Speaker 4>gym in HBU. The doors to the gym are locked.

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<v Speaker 4>I know where the gym is cause I played Smmer

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<v Speaker 4>League in HBU. Right, dude, who's now he's Dennis Lindsay

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 4>who's now a general manager in NBA. He was a

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<v Speaker 4>film guy in for the Rockets. He opens the door

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<v Speaker 4>and he played at Baylor, played basketball. He's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I say, I want to I'm dressed to play basketball,

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<v Speaker 4>and he kind of look. I'm tall, you know, six seventy.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, I say, I'm Joe Stevens. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>see if I can get in these drills. And I'm

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<v Speaker 4>looking through the crack of the door and I see

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<v Speaker 4>O Teller harringson, Matt Maloney, all these guys playing basketball.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a rial. This is a true story. I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I'm lying telling it, he said, jumping the drills,

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Tracy Ware. So I jump into drills, man, and two

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<v Speaker 4>hours later, I'm knocking down threes, I'm dunking on cats.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing what I do. I'm in shape, I'm ready,

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<v Speaker 4>and man, I'm I'm bending over And just like everybody

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 4>else in college, I drove down from Little Rock to

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<v Speaker 4>party on Richmond when they won the ninety four ninety

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 4>five back to back championships. I'm bending over time my

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<v Speaker 4>shoe in four sneakers walk up and I look up

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 4>and it's Rudy, Tom Johanovich and Carol Dawson look at

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 4>me dead in my eyes, and they say, how would

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 4>you like to be a Houston Rocket? And I'm not

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 4>bullshitting seriously, man, I'm not Bush. What do you think

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 4>about all the guys. I wasn't even invited to this ship, man.

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 4>All the guys in the gym that you know came

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 4>from other schools. Someone was drafted or whatnot, and and

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 4>I left the gym. And the next day I'm in

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<v Speaker 4>the gym with Clyde Drexlan dream working out at west

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 4>Side Tennis Club with some Houston Rockets gear on. And

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 4>the three hours before that, I was in my kitchen

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<v Speaker 4>table and my old man was like, Man, you should

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 4>try to like literally, I thought I was gonna go overseas.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 3>So that's how it happened. Man's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, Yeah, man, And I talked to Mad Hatter about that.

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 4>You may have a thing like this too. When I'm

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<v Speaker 4>talking to kids, I always tell kids no such thing

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 4>as luck. Right, People say, Man, you got lucky now,

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 4>you just had to have the luckily short na Man,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 4>Preparation met opportunity, you know what I'm saying. I was

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<v Speaker 4>at the wire till midnight hoop working on my game home,

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 4>and I could have been drinking forties every day, smoking

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 4>weed and out of shape. I was prepared. Had he

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 4>told me. I told the story to Manhatter, and had

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 4>I said, Man, damn, that's crazy, cause I got a

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 4>story similar to that. Because I used to work at

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 4>ninety seventy nine and I was in the studio and

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.479
<v Speaker 4>the MC the chick used to always come late. She partied.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, you know who it was, and she

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 4>didn't showed to work one day and the producer was

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 4>tired of hers shit and he was like, had to

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 4>jump in. He said, from that day he's had a

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 4>syndicated radio show ever since, you know what I mean.

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 4>But his opportunity presented itself and he was prepared, you

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean. And that's a real life story

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 4>how I made it to the league, and that being

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<v Speaker 4>able to say I played for the Houston Rockets, man

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 4>is opened to this day. Oh he's a former Houston Rocket.

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<v Speaker 4>It opened so many doors that I probably wouldn't have

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 4>been able to get into had I not had that experience.

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 4>Went on to play for the Grizzlies. Really grew up

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<v Speaker 4>in Europe. Man. I went and played in France, Italy

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 4>and Spain. Made a bunch of money over there, you

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 4>know what, I considered a lot of money and kind

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<v Speaker 4>of grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>My game matured. I got an affinity for art work,

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<v Speaker 4>different cultures, you know what I mean. I wasn't a

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 4>typical American when I went over there. I would want

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<v Speaker 4>to submerge myself in your culture. I wanted to learn

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<v Speaker 4>your language, you know what I mean, And it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 4>Basketball was a great vehicle for me that springboard me

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<v Speaker 4>kind of into what I'm doing now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, stay ready so you ain't got to get so

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 3>you ain't got to get ready. Boys and girls, do

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<v Speaker 3>you understand what we're talking about here? Stay ready so

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 3>you ain't got to get ready.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, Yeah, because your opportunity will come at some point

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 4>in life, and you don't want to be one of

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 4>those people that look back and say, Damn, I wasn't ready.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't prepared. You know. I stopped working out a

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 4>week early because I got discouraged. You know. I always say, man,

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 4>your greatest triumphs are just on the other side of

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 4>something that's extremely hard, something that's extremely difficult. If you

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 4>can just persevere, you know, one more rep, one more week.

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you, when you're gonna be like I was

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 4>about to quit. I was about about to be done,

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 4>and the ship just it happened, you know what I mean.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 4>But you just got to be patient to keep persevering.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I do. I psych myself out when

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm when I hit that wall you're talking about in

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 3>my mind. I'm like, oh, this is what yeah, I

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 3>prepared for and I'm just I just pushed hard at Well,

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 3>that's because I know, like you said that, that that that.

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<v Speaker 4>Opportunity is on us side. And that's and that's why

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 4>you're Willy D. That's why you're Willy D. That's why

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 4>you're king. That's why you are an alpha male. You

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean and and and it's and it's

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:43.239
<v Speaker 4>you will find these little things about us that are

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 4>the same in all alpha males and all people that

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 4>have ascended to a certain level in life. You know

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 4>what I mean. On the East Side, I'm I'm a

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 4>ghetto celebrity. I'm I'm really to be on the East side.

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm a hood movie star over there. But you find

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 4>these traits in all of us. We can sit at

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<v Speaker 4>the table and bring brothers from all around the you

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 4>that have done well in life, and there's something about

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 4>us that's the same. And it's that little extra that

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 4>we're willing to do that other brothers won't do. With

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 4>no excuses. Man, with no excuses. I've been carrying I've

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 4>been carrying the wait for a long time for a

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 4>lot of people. And you just realize as a king

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 4>and as a dude. That's that's him. When you hearim,

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 4>you know when you him. I tell guys this all

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 4>the time. If you want to know, if you him,

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 4>will you know me? From basketball to mortgages, to insurance,

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 4>to school board to JP to now license attorney state

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<v Speaker 4>of Texas. I'm for the Maxis attorney thing out. I

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 4>promise you we'll be on a private plane in a

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 4>few months, going somewhere a couple of years, give me,

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 4>give me some time. But if you really him, you

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 4>can do it in different genres and still be successful.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 4>You know, she'd get some guys many they'll hit the

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 4>Grand Slam first time up the bat. Whatever that career was,

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 4>that's NBA. I know so many guys that can't figure

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 4>it out. They can't figure out their next move. And

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 4>all it takes is the same motivation that you had

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 4>to make it in the NBA. You just got to

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 4>reapply yourself. Because if you was good enough to make

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 4>to the league, you was good enough to have plantinum albums.

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 4>You can take that same drive and have a one

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 4>hundred million dollar podcast. It's just are you willing to

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 4>make the sacrifice and grind to be a king. It's simple.

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 4>Late Nights early More, I watched. I'm a fan of Lynn.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I follow a lot of guys and I follow LN,

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 4>I follow Can in Hollywood CV.

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a fan of six guys that are grinding man

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 4>because I love to see brothers work man to achieve

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 4>what it is they're trying to get. Because there's a

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 4>lesson in that, man, and there's no hate. It's like

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 4>you can learn something from everybody. I don't care if

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 4>you're selling cars or selling turkey legs. I'm studying, you

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean.

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm the same way. But I mean, god, it's a trip.

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 3>How long we've been knowing each other and we never

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 3>really had the life conversation that we're having now. Yeah,

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 3>we've had little We've had a little conversation is about

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>certain little things or whatever.

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 4>Fun stuff.

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know topic.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 4>But family too, though, I mean you you gotta, you gotta.

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<v Speaker 4>I believest kids. I'm proud of you, brother. Yeah, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the coolest. I mean, that's coolest shit. Like I

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, for us, man, I feel like we are

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 4>most the sacrificial lambs for our family, right, Like we

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 4>got good lives.

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 4>But my thing is, Man, I really want my kids

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 4>to have it better than I did, you know what

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean? And if I got to die to day

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 4>to make that happen, that's that's that's my deal, man.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 4>It's leaving that legacy because that comes with you. That's

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 4>that's how generational wealth is started. You know what I

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 4>mean by by by playing those seeds and and that's

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.239
<v Speaker 4>what that's That's what I think you and I are

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 4>here for more so than anything, it's the shepherd the

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 4>next generation, so that people can look at us one

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 4>day and say, man, the world was a better place

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 4>because them cats came through. You know.

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>That's dope. Yeah, that's dope, because you know, I was

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 3>talking to somebody the other day about how it doesn't

0:33:53.840 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 3>matter how well you live your life. Typically after a

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 3>few generations, your lineags don't even know who you are. Yeah,

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 3>people in your lineage, they don't even know who you are,

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Like most people don't know don't know past their like

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 3>great grandparents. Yeah right, they don't know who. And I

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 3>don't want that. I'm like, no, y'all gonna know because

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I got things I'm putting you.

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.959
<v Speaker 4>For sure. This landever, Yeah, this land, this property. Y'all

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 4>came on this lake when y'all used to fish all

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 4>these years. Grandpa will put that in place. You put

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.240
<v Speaker 4>me on the spot, man, I know this your podcast.

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna put you on the spot, man, because you

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 4>and I went through some pain together with a mutual

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 4>friend with face man with with the whole Grammy thing.

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 4>And I called you before you called me right after

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 4>the thing happened, Man, because I knew my brother was hurt.

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 4>I knew you was hurt, man, and I watched the podcast.

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 4>I Hate Face ain't here today, So I hope at

0:34:56.160 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 4>some level, man, y'all can mend fences. But that's an

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 4>example of when you should look out for your brother,

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying.

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>When you.

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 4>Have the opportunity to be a door opener and a waymaker,

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 4>you have to have the perceptiveness. You have to be

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 4>perceptive enough to know this is a lifetime, once in

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 4>a lifetime opportunity that we can't get this moment in

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 4>time back. This is fifty years of hip hop. You know,

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 4>you talk to guys around the city about what happened,

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, catching O when you and our coop, I

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>don't have Cats dime in the barbershop. Man Face should

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 4>have done this. Now, Face was right, Doc, I'm just

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 4>any black man that's out there. If you have a

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 4>chance to uplift a brother, your brother that you've come

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 4>up with, it's just certain shit. You just can't be like,

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go do this by myself. So man, I

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 4>know if I saw the podcast, and I know Face

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 4>was kind of like like he couldn't. He was kind

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 4>of deflecting and doing a bunch of other ship like

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 4>he couldn't really understand why, you know, you were so

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 4>hurt about it. But but it was simple, dude, because

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 4>one not even that it was a ghetto boy song.

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 4>It's the fact that we're trying to get a bag together.

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 4>And in all the years of the Grammys, we've never

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.880
<v Speaker 4>had an opportunity to be on that stage, the biggest

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 4>stage in music where they perpetuate whiteness, And for this

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 4>thirteen minutes or whatever the hell it was, we had

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 4>a chance. If I even if you didn't rap, if.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have been on that stage, if I wouldn'trap,

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I ain't no goddamn hype man. But I just I

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 3>ain't goddamn hYP I know I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have I wouldn't have done.

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, man, I know, but I just, man,

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 4>that that hurt me.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 4>I just man, and it really hurts me that that

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 4>to see. I don't know, man, I just I'm always

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 4>hoping that because y'all, I'm fan. I'm still a fan.

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm still a fan. I grew up man at make

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 4>A Jamaica, sitting in the corner watching brothers past beats

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 4>around the club. You know what I'm saying, idolizing the

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 4>ghetto boys. Man, all y'all have done for this city. Man,

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 4>So salute to both of y'all kings. And I hope

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 4>that someday, man, you guys can break the bank together.

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 4>That's that's my honest to God prayer for y'all. And

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 4>when you get if you get the plane before I do,

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 4>make sure I got to see it out.

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're always well.

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 4>Gettle boys.

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Reloaded podcasts will be right back after this break.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about John Morat. Yeah, as someone

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 3>who's been in the league. In the NBA is a

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 3>different level. I don't think people have Most people don't

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 3>have any idea how rock starsh.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 4>It's unbelievable even more now it is, you.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Know, like like it's a different east. John Murrat being

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 3>a young player who has gained a lot of success

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 3>really really fast. I mean, his rise has been meteoric.

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 3>What kind of advice would you give to that guy

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 3>to like pump those breaks, man, and you know, like

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 3>get off the gas, just really just get off the gas.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 4>You go from a college kid to now being the

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 4>bread one. You really go from being a child to

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 4>being your parents parent. Right a quarter of a billion dollars.

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 4>If you gave that to me and you right now,

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 4>we may lose it for a couple of weeks, you

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean? I would just say, man, the

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 4>blueprint is out there. You got guys like Jay everybody

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 4>needs og We all need an og. Find you a

0:38:54.680 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 4>OG man. If I was in that arena, do my

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 4>damnits to get in touch with Jay Z or somebody

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 4>of that mold too? Man, How did you do it?

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.800
<v Speaker 4>How did you? Because Jay Donet flipped the bag I

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 4>don't know how many times and even fifty manute, it's

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 4>a lot of guys and I'm not not just entertaining

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 4>even business guys like I would do the same thing.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 4>I tell kids that do now, find somebody in your field,

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 4>or find somebody that you respect and admire, and ask

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 4>them for the blueprint.

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, what I think happens a lot is exactly

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 3>what you alluded to. Like, we don't ask for the blueprint.

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Like when I was getting money early on, I just

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 3>like this my money. Yeah, I'm spend it like a

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 3>one too. Yeah, I'm not talking to the other man

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 3>about what kind of house or what I should be

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 3>paying for this marble to be installed or whatever whatever.

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 3>I just went and did it because it's with me,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and it's an ego thing. And this is why we

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 3>make so many mistakes. Women make mistakes too, But I

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 3>don't think women make as many mistakes as men do.

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Because women will call the tribe. They will call every

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 3>one of their girlfriends, they'll call their homeboy, they'll call

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 3>anybody that they think that might give them some good advice. Now,

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 3>they might not use it. They can get all that information.

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 3>They still may not use it, but they are at

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 3>least going to make the inquiry. Men, on the other hand,

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 3>will just go off and just do whatever and not.

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.439
<v Speaker 4>Pick up their easy twenty three twenty four.

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember. He's down.

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 4>You got you got the KG, the Kevin Garnets, you

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 4>got the Alan Iverson.

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 3>The thing is they will help him, and they.

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 4>And actually, man, those guys should reach out to him.

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 4>If you if you you know, like like to me,

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 4>like Iverson, like you you have a responsibility. Man, we're

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 4>talking about being a door opener. That's another kind of

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 4>door that you can open as an og to call

0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 4>joh But but at the same time, for John, he's

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 4>got the influence at this point, he could have Bill Gates,

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Warren Buffett, Jay z Oprah, Tyler Pierce. He's got the influence.

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, when you that guy when that when you him,

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 4>you could pick the phone up. Then I answered my

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 4>phone call. They may not answer your phone calls, but

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 4>they'll answer John's phone calls. So man, I just hope

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 4>that he would get some OJ's and some mentors around

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 4>him because the bag that he has. I'm so proud.

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 4>Let me just say this publicly. My little mentee just

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 4>got a bag. He just broke the bank with the NFL.

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 4>Jalen Hurts. I've known Jalen Hurts since he was two

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 4>years old. He just signed the largest contract, and it

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 4>shouts out to jail man, it shouts out to his

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 4>to his dad, to Big Todd, his mom. A great,

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 4>great family from the east Side. I told Todd the

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 4>other day. You know you got to say your house

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 4>to get on out of here. Right you're still on

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 4>the east Side. Now. You don't want about to come

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 4>kidnapp you for some ransom, you know what I'm saying.

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 4>But man, now, man, I'm so happy for that family.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 4>They from channel of you next door to me and

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 4>or sure man and uh but even us, even me

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:05.919
<v Speaker 4>and you. You gotta have wives, counsel man, you gotta

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 4>have somebody you can go to because I don't know

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 4>what all you you call me by development. Sometimes I'm

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 4>gonna give you a blueprint.

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 3>But you know, but you know why the guys who's

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 3>made it dunk I can eat. I can just tell

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 3>you from my stand. Yeah. Sometimes after you, when you

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 3>get to a certain level in life where you become

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:37.839
<v Speaker 3>you get shot patience for bullshit for sure. And if

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 3>you think a person's gonna be hard headed, they may

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 3>not listen me. You may not want to, You may

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 3>not want to reach out, you know, because you think

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 3>that person probably is not going to be receptive.

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's a young knucklehead, right, he's a good but

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.919
<v Speaker 4>he's a good kid. I don't get that from John.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't get that. I don't get that from He

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 4>really strikes me as a kid that would listen. I

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 4>was at the Rockets game, sitting in rusty, hardened seats

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 4>and Tim Morant was behind him, and Mary was me

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 4>and Mary Ellie was sitting together. Chopped it up with

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 4>Tim Morant. Good dude, man, he's a dude. You and

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 4>I would kick you know, we would hang out with

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 4>good dude. I just think, man, you can't even imagine lambos, cars, females,

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 4>the life, private playing. I mean, it's just a lot

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 4>for a young kid. Man, it's a lot. It's a lot.

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 4>And honestly, he hadn't killed anybody. He hadn't you look, man,

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 4>he had a little little pistol on him in the

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 4>strip club. You saw the pictures he was in there

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 4>by hisself with He hadn't done a whole lot wrong

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 4>that I've seen the way we're talking about him as

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 4>if he's really done something nefarious and broken the law

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 4>or something. John Morant was in the strip club with

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 4>a gun, by himself. He's a worth a quarter of

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 4>billion dollars. Second, a member applies to us too, right,

0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 4>So what is he done that's so bad? Now, We've

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:03.800
<v Speaker 4>had some guys make some serious mistakes, like Rugs. The

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 4>kid from Alabama with that killed a person in Vegas

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 4>with the car. You know what I mean. That's a

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Fortunately the mistake job made. He can come back from

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 4>and he and he will come back from. And I

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 4>just hope you you said, what advice would I give him?

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Get an OG, A couple of them, you know, and

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 4>seek wise counsel who was jog. Myog was Sam came

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 4>at God rest his soul. He was my mortgage og.

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 4>Uh my insurance og was a guy named Jody h

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 4>and another cat named hal Iu. In San Diego, I

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 4>was president's counsel man. I've always so my, you know,

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 4>to say that I've been successful through different genres. I

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 4>mentioned that earlier. It wasn't because of me, you know,

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 4>it was just because I was humble enough to ask

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 4>people that knew more than me. And uh wise, dude,

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:51.839
<v Speaker 4>Sam told me a long time ago, he said, it's

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.399
<v Speaker 4>better to be a thief than an innovator. And what

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 4>that meant was, don't go out here and try to

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 4>figure this shit out on your own. It's somebody that's

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 4>already done it, so so why why not just do

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 4>what they did and put your own little twist on it.

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I did. That's that, That's what I did.

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Is that don't try to reinvent the wheel.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to re invent the wheel. Yeah, better be

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 4>a thief than innovator, you know. So Sam was one

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:16.240
<v Speaker 4>hal and Jody was my my insurance guys. Uh NBA

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 4>was was Marrio and Clyde still my guys to this day.

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.239
<v Speaker 4>I called I affectionately refer to both of them guys

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 4>as unc you know what I'm saying. I called Mary

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 4>to day. Uh and when he's unk, he's always unk.

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 4>Man them Cancer was they they were regal gentlemen back then.

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Took me under their wing. You know, both of my husbands,

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.919
<v Speaker 4>both of them my fathers. You know, they they both

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 4>hosted my first fundraiser for me with Moses Malone when

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 4>I decided to run for this seat. So, man, I've

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 4>I've had some uh some wives counsel in my life,

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 4>and and and and luckily didn't have a bunch of

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 4>yes men as friends.

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I saw Marryo at your fiftieth. Yeah, it was

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.919
<v Speaker 3>good to see him. I hadn't seen Mary years.

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 4>He's good, man, he's good. I'm lobbyingnam man. I'm trying

0:45:59.960 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 4>to really, every time I get somebody, I'm trying to. Man.

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 4>Sam Casell needs to be the next Rockets coach. Bring

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 4>Sam back man, Bring Sam back man. We need we

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 4>need a connection from the championship years to these young

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 4>kids we got now. And I'm not even look, man,

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 4>we got some talent, dude, we got Jalen Green, KP

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 4>three segun. They got taate. They just don't have to

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 4>play basketball. They play one hundred miles an hour. I

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 4>remember Clyde pulling me to the side my first practice, like,

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.879
<v Speaker 4>young fella, you can hoop. Just slow down you're going

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 4>like you know, change your pace like I'm I had

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 4>one speed go you know what I'm saying. And these

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 4>Junkyard watch, I'm like, damn they good man, But they

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 4>needed You need some of the veteran OG's to come

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 4>back and teach these kids one how to sacrifice right.

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.920
<v Speaker 4>None of them nowadays everybody gets so much money endorsements,

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 4>nobody wants to sacrifice for the greater good. But I

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 4>promise you man, like you know, like a Draymond Green

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 4>would never be a superstar. Worry not on another team,

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? But he made sacrifice and everybody, man,

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.839
<v Speaker 4>if you accomplished the goal of winning championship, everybody gonna

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 4>get a bag, you know what I mean. That's why

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 4>Jalen got paid. They made it to the super Bowl,

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.760
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. Just but but they need

0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 4>some veterans over there to kind of teach him how

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:15.399
<v Speaker 4>to play basketball and how to win.

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of Draymond Green, I know you open it up.

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was coming with what do you think

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:26.479
<v Speaker 3>about j Draymond stumping on dude's chest?

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 4>I loved it. I absolutely loved it. It's something deep

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 4>down I mean, but but I think one of the

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 4>dude grab his foot. Let's be clear, you don't have

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 4>to you grab my foot, and you know how you

0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 4>jump up in the air. Now, he kind of the

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 4>stump was It wasn't as bad as it looked. Man,

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't think he should be suspended a game. He's

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.840
<v Speaker 4>a guy that's a victim of his own wrongdoers. In

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 4>the past, which I hate. I hope. I wish they'd

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 4>overturned him throwing him out of this game, and that

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a total bs. You know what I'm saying.

0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 4>I didn't. I didn't think it was that bad. He

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 4>had a European player on the ground, He's rolling around

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 4>like somebody almost stump stumps his shit. Yeah it was.

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 4>He kind of acted a little bit, you know, when

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 4>somebody grabbing your foot and you're trying to get loose

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 4>and you where was he? Where was he gonna land?

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 4>I didn't see. I didn't think I've done that before.

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 4>I didn't think it was so bad. I really didn't.

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 4>To the average fan watching it, if that would have

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 4>been Klay Thompson doing that, he'd be playing tonight. And

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 4>that's what I don't like about that decision. Had it

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 4>been anybody but Draymond. Now Draymond. Look, I'm not a

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Draymond sympathizer. He's done a lot of dumb shit. But

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 4>the other night, that wouldn't. That wasn't something I really

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 4>if you look at a game before that, him and

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 4>the same guy got tangled up and they was kind

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 4>of on the ground doing what Barclay and Karl Malone

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 4>did at time to knock each other down. They rolling

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:46.399
<v Speaker 4>around on the ground, not letting each other get up.

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 4>That was kind of an extension of that, and I

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 4>wish the NBA was more kind of judicial when they

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.839
<v Speaker 4>looked at the totality of that circumstance.

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of people are saying that Draymond

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 3>could have like really injured dude. But dude could have

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 3>really injured Draymond. I mean, I mean, you're messing with

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 3>my money. Man, that's my ankle.

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 4>You hold that whole. I'm trying, and I'm trying. I'm

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 4>standing up, trying to run, and I'm trying to get

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 4>my footloose, and you jump up in the air trying

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 4>to get your foot loose. Watch it, man, I watched

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 4>it a couple of times. Where was he gonna land?

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's you know, but it's Draymond so so

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 4>because he has his reputation, the diffuses a little bit shorter,

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, for lack of better analogy, The least is

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 4>a little bit shorter with him, and he's a victim

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 4>of his own passing discretions.

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, Draymond is necessary though, you know, I know

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>he has I know he has this indiscretions and all this,

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, But Raymond, you need a dog that the

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:55.439
<v Speaker 3>team needs at that team's v max exist that team.

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.439
<v Speaker 3>That's who I think about every time.

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.839
<v Speaker 4>I've never been on a winning team that didn't have

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 4>one or two dudes that can have to be bailed

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:07.359
<v Speaker 4>out the next morning, right from I've won championships overseas,

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:11.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, Western Conference finals with the Rockets, championships in college.

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 4>Every good team I've been on had at least one

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 4>dude that's a live wire that you don't you don't

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:18.399
<v Speaker 4>even want to go out with him because you don't

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 4>know if you're gonna have a great night or end

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 4>up in jail. You know, we don't know we come

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 4>home with a bunch of girls or go end up

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 4>in a sales somewhere. But every team, you got to

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 4>have a dog. And you know that's just just a

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 4>loose cannon, you know. But a team full of nice

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 4>guys will never win it all. That's why the Jazz

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:36.760
<v Speaker 4>never won it all. You know, back with Karl Malone

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 4>and you just got too many nice guys you had.

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 4>You needed a thug on that team, you know.

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, jazz. Let's see who did they have. I mean,

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Karl Malone was.

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 4>By it, yes, Shannon Anderson, Brian Russell, uh Halet was

0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:56.840
<v Speaker 4>not havle a check HORNI seck thorough ball. I was

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.920
<v Speaker 4>on that team for I was on that team, uh

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 4>for for two months right after the lockout, I think

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.359
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and they picked me up for a couple

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 4>of weeks and I had a little short cup of

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 4>team with the with the Jazz, but a bunch of

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 4>nice guys. No fights in practice. That's some probably one

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.319
<v Speaker 4>of only training camps I've ever been through where there

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 4>was no fights. I'm like, ain't, don't nobody fight? I

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.840
<v Speaker 4>never forget we got we got traded. I shouldn't o'deller

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 4>gonna be mad at me. I got traded up to Vancouver.

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 4>Uh well, I was. I was actually picked up by

0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 4>a free agent. But o'thella Mike Dickerson. We all went

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.319
<v Speaker 4>to play with Mike Bibbie, Sharife, Abdulraheem big country up

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 4>in Vancouver. I played there in not two thousand. I

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:36.840
<v Speaker 4>think it's one of my second practices. And if you

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 4>know Michael Dickinson, Mike d was real quiet, super quiet, dude,

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:43.960
<v Speaker 4>but Mike boxed. Mike boxed and him and o'feller got

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 4>into it. It was a two piece with a biscuit.

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 4>That happened so quick, and man and o'thella. If you know, othello,

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.520
<v Speaker 4>o'della's quiet too, So it was too quiet. O'thella for

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 4>thirty minutes is running around the ship trying to get

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 4>to Mike d coaches trying to break them up. But

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 4>who nobody. It was just a two telling again. He

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 4>didn't get dropped, but he it was, he was, he was.

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 4>He was stunned a little bit. It was quick, it was,

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 4>it was solid. It was o'della. I'm sorry, brother, it

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 4>was it was. It was a nice little It was

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:20.280
<v Speaker 4>a quick combo too. It was quick. It was quick,

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 4>and oh, we're trying to hold old back for thirty minutes.

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 4>So the coaches, I'm the I'm the common denominator between

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 4>all these guys. We all came from Houston. Uh, Stevens,

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 4>was there a problem before the trade? Those guys and

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 4>I said that this has never happened like they never did.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 4>We were all we going to go to dinner together

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 4>just but they didn't have a culture of win and

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 4>actually man, we had won the most games in the

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 4>history that franchised through this before Memphis, this went. They

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 4>were up in Vancouver, through the history of through January.

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 4>We won the most games. But you needed some dogs, man,

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 4>you needed some guys that may fight, you know what

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. And that's what we had. That's what we had.

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:02.959
<v Speaker 3>You said that o'feller spend thirty minutes running around the gym.

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Trying to get Mike, trying to get that mike, trying

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.239
<v Speaker 4>to get a mic. But why did he get that

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 4>mic when he got two pieces? Oh he tried, He tried,

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. You right, guys jumped in Yeah, yeah.

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Guys cannot jump in faster.

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, you box, if you hit somebody, they kind of

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.839
<v Speaker 4>they kind of stumbled a little bit. It's gonna yeah,

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 4>d Dan, okay right here now, not where where the guy?

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Not if I catch you solid, which which brings me

0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.320
<v Speaker 4>to your boxing career back when we've been Halphines for

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 4>here back in the day. That's another Willie d Joe

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Stevens story back in the day. And remember we had

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 4>an entourage in Hali chem from you that day. You

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.000
<v Speaker 4>drug dude too. I don't even know his name. There

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 4>you find some tomato can back in the day.

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, what was that doe named John something?

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 4>Will you had some hands?

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Though?

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 4>I know boxing. I watched boxing for a long time.

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 4>WILLI d does have hands. We used to call him

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Willi Hans Yeah, man, yeah, man.

0:53:57.800 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Did you ever get into a fight while.

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 4>All the time my first practice with Charles bark I

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 4>stole on Charles Barkley. I stole him in the cheating. Yes,

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 4>I didn't drop him. I didn't drop him. I was

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.280
<v Speaker 4>in Galveston. We used to play a training camping gage.

0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 3>You just said Chus Buckle was a good guy?

0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 4>Not he when he closed line me and you had

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 4>and so man, that's the so we in Galveston and

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I go up for a layup and he snatches me

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 4>out of the air, and and he starts, you know,

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 4>everybody jumps saying what you know in the big commotion,

0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:37.680
<v Speaker 4>and he starts laughing. You're my rookie. From that point on,

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:39.400
<v Speaker 4>I was just rookie for the rest of the season,

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, because I and I when I did it,

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking I was ship. I'm finna get cut down

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:48.280
<v Speaker 4>to get cut first practice, I'm gone, and I probably

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 4>made the team because of that, you know, honestly, just

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 4>because they knew I was. I didn't give a ship man.

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.880
<v Speaker 4>You know, the one thing you want, you're gonna respect me,

0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:59.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, job aside.

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:01.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, man, how did you learn to give a

0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 3>shit about community?

0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Man?

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Because you know, when it comes to youth advocacy and mentorship,

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.839
<v Speaker 3>it's second or nine. I mean you're really you're really

0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:13.359
<v Speaker 3>in in deep.

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, it's it's just innate, dude. I really feel

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.080
<v Speaker 4>like I was put here to help people. I feel

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.360
<v Speaker 4>like that's my calling. It's something I was born with

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.480
<v Speaker 4>and it's nothing I've learned to do, even in college.

0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 4>I did it in college, like I I student taught

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 4>Little Rock Central High School where they had the big

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 4>civil rights where the picture of Jerry Jones. They thought

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.840
<v Speaker 4>I student taught at that high school because I graduated

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 4>college at semester early. So in order to get credits

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<v Speaker 4>so I can continue to play basketball, I did a

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<v Speaker 4>student teaching program and got my teacher certification in Little Rock.

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<v Speaker 3>How much are that Jerry Jones was left over?

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<v Speaker 1>When?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, it was it was black black, it was

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:51.800
<v Speaker 4>it was it was an African American school. When I

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<v Speaker 4>was there, it was the hood. It's the little the

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:57.399
<v Speaker 4>little right Central is rough now, you know. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I just even then, I always went and

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<v Speaker 4>spoke to kids, even at University Colorado, just as the

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<v Speaker 4>and it wasn't something the team made me do. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I liked would meet teachers and they knew I was

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<v Speaker 4>on the basketball team, so I would go out and

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<v Speaker 4>speak to kids, and and just I just saw that

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<v Speaker 4>you could impact a kid. And I saw myself going

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<v Speaker 4>to a Clyde Drexler basketball camp as a sophomore in

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 4>high school and then ended up playing with Clyde Drexler,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So I realized that, man,

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<v Speaker 4>if you plan a seed, you never know what can

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<v Speaker 4>come from that. So I just meant, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 4>always had that inemy to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in middle school and Robert.

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<v Speaker 4>Robert Ree, Robbery, Robbie Joe Reid, he was my he

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<v Speaker 4>was that was my that was another OGM mine. He's

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<v Speaker 4>still in one of my mentors.

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<v Speaker 3>ROBBERI Reed came to my middle school and spoke to

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<v Speaker 3>us in the cafeteria. We didn't have an auditorium, so

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<v Speaker 3>the cafeteria doubled as an auditory. So Robert Ree walks

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<v Speaker 3>in and people go crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Just I don't know why, because he had that Jerry

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<v Speaker 4>Curl back, and back then Billy d Williams was real popular.

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<v Speaker 4>So Bobbie Joe Ree was the Billy d Williams Houston.

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<v Speaker 3>He may have. He may have been because those with

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<v Speaker 3>those girls. Now Bobbie, the girls was going crazy. But

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<v Speaker 3>even the guys were just really just rooting for him,

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 3>you know, because it's.

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<v Speaker 4>The Rockets God to Larry bird. He was the guy

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<v Speaker 4>guard Larry Bird back.

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<v Speaker 3>He had those those knee high socks. Robbert robber Ree

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<v Speaker 3>was was the man. She came in and and and

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<v Speaker 3>the place just erupted right, And I remember just being

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<v Speaker 3>in Ah. I wasn't cheering, I wasn't going I was

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<v Speaker 3>just standing at Typically me and my boy, when we

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<v Speaker 3>have somebody to come to talk to us, we would

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 3>act the damn food. She'll be on one side of

0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 3>the auditorium or whatever on the other side and he'll say,

0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 3>what's the word. I'll be like doing to bad. What's

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<v Speaker 3>the price a dollar?

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<v Speaker 4>Twice?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're just at a fool. That'd be our

0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 3>time to ack of food.

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<v Speaker 4>But when Robert Reed came, I listened.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, yeah, and it did something to me,

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<v Speaker 3>like to see him get that type of praise, And

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<v Speaker 3>do you know I was, I was fourteen at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>About ten years later, I was speaking to the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I walked into that same cafeteria and received that same

0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. I had no idea that that could happen

0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:00.120
<v Speaker 3>to me. I had no idea that I could be

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<v Speaker 3>worthy of something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when it was happening, yup, I it blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like when they asked me, they called me

0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 3>and asked me to come speak.

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<v Speaker 4>And you did it. And he was right there where

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Robal he was. That's that's dage. I mean I had

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 4>I used to do. I used to have basketball camps

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.000
<v Speaker 4>on the East Side. That's kind of what endeared that

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 4>community to me. Post taking the first team to state

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.160
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen ninety one, we beat Million Yates and Harpin's

0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:26.920
<v Speaker 4>and I was the started team consensus player of the

0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Year in Houston, both newspapers, first team to ever go

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<v Speaker 4>to state and we beat Yates and Milby like and

0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 4>back then, north Shore was no show is what they

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 4>used to call us then you know and cause. But

0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 4>what happened was there was a migration of people from

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<v Speaker 4>Fifth Ward whose p families would get jobs at the

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.880
<v Speaker 4>plant in Baytown. So in order to move on up

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:47.720
<v Speaker 4>in life, they would buy three two two's over on

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:49.960
<v Speaker 4>the east side when they were kind of ascending their

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 4>way up to in life. So there was a lot

0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:55.280
<v Speaker 4>of apps. Was three bedroom, two bedroom house h with

0:59:55.400 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 4>two car garage, and so those kids' parents word. So

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<v Speaker 4>now we had a lot of African Americans and we

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<v Speaker 4>went to State and uh, after I made it for

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<v Speaker 4>the Rockets, I said, I'm gonna do a basketball camp

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<v Speaker 4>for kids on that side of town. And so I

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<v Speaker 4>would play basketball at Fundy Recreation Center where everybody would

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<v Speaker 4>be there, Penny Hardaway, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Robert or

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<v Speaker 4>Latrell's everybody would come through Fundy and so I would

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<v Speaker 4>be like, Yo, let's go to lunch man, get Robb

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<v Speaker 4>or or get casselle I get Sam Cassell saying come right,

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<v Speaker 4>let's go get some lunch. Man. I take them away

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<v Speaker 4>to the east side to Benningas and we'd eat lunch.

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<v Speaker 4>May come roll with your boy man, make God damn,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Joe. I'm trying ready to get back home. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>take me back to the Southwest sidewest statement. Man, I

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<v Speaker 4>know one most stop Onemos stop and I'd pull up

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<v Speaker 4>to my basketball camp that I knew what's going on

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<v Speaker 4>at the gym, and so the kids would. I'll be

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<v Speaker 4>d man. We were almost there, were almost there, and

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<v Speaker 4>we walk in the gym. It's two hundred kids sitting

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<v Speaker 4>down and I'll walk in with Sam Cassell, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. And so then everybody's like, oh, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've been say to some genus. I would trick guys

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<v Speaker 4>to come into the East Side to speak. So that

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<v Speaker 4>was right after the championship years man, and and and

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<v Speaker 4>that's to this day. People remember those that same community

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<v Speaker 4>voted for me to be on the school board for

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<v Speaker 4>nine years, three of which I was board president. Same

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<v Speaker 4>community vote for me to be the new Justice of

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<v Speaker 4>the Piece for the last seven years. Just from little

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like that, giving back, giving those kind of kids hope.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they had never a lot of kids had

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<v Speaker 4>never been paying sixteen in the Buvewiser Man back where

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<v Speaker 4>I stayed, you know, so for them to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to touch, you know, champions like that back in the

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<v Speaker 4>day was was priceless.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>One of your philosophies that you live by is if

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<v Speaker 3>you reach for the moon, even if you miss, yep,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be among the stars. Yeah yeah, elaborate on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Set your goals high. You want to be the next

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<v Speaker 4>little Baby, you can do that. You want to be

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<v Speaker 4>the next WILLI d You can do that. If you

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<v Speaker 4>want to be an NBA basketball player, you can do that.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to be the president of the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>male or female, you can do that. When you and

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<v Speaker 4>our kids, teacher would say, man, you could be the

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<v Speaker 4>president of the United States and we'll be back in

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<v Speaker 4>classmen know you can't. He said that because we had

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<v Speaker 4>never seen a black president. Well you can't say that now.

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<v Speaker 4>So my thing is, if you want to be an

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<v Speaker 4>LPGA professional, like my daughter wants to be a LPGA professional,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe falling short is you earned a college Scholarship's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you set your goals high. You didn't attain

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<v Speaker 4>that goal, but you still were better off than you

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<v Speaker 4>were if you didn't dream big.

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<v Speaker 3>So dream big, man, Ah, you become a coach, two players,

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<v Speaker 3>two a top tier player?

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<v Speaker 4>Why not you?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 4>Why not you? I told Zoe Slaughter that Zoi's on

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<v Speaker 4>the team with my daughter. Zoe played at University of Houston.

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<v Speaker 4>She's now on the Texas and Women's golf team. She

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<v Speaker 4>transferred from Houston to A and M. They came back

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<v Speaker 4>three months ago. This is her junior year to play

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<v Speaker 4>a tournament at Golf Club of Houston, where I'm a member,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just text her, you know the golf course

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<v Speaker 4>better than anybody. You played at U of h for

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<v Speaker 4>for a year. Why not you. Somebody's got to win

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<v Speaker 4>this turn? Why not you? Man? She went out and

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<v Speaker 4>shot twenty under and won the tournament for a first

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<v Speaker 4>college win, and gave me the biggest hug when she

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<v Speaker 4>came off the eighteenth green that last day. Why not you?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? But I think sometimes especially

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<v Speaker 4>as African Americans, we don't see ourselves in certain positions,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. We you know somebody's always

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<v Speaker 4>had that position in the neighborhood, and you just can't

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<v Speaker 4>even see yourself in that position. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 4>being this just of the piece has done for me

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<v Speaker 4>on that side of town. It's given kids that might

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<v Speaker 4>have been in front of a judge with uncle when

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<v Speaker 4>he was in trouble or my mama when she went

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<v Speaker 4>to jail or whatever. Now they come to court it

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<v Speaker 4>like and the judge black, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, nah,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a job opportunity. It's not just a place

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<v Speaker 4>you come to get in trouble, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, man, yeah, shoot for the moon. Even if

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<v Speaker 4>you miss, you can be among the stars.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank god you are among the stars.

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<v Speaker 4>Man. I'm here with you. Man, We really do.

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<v Speaker 3>We appreciate all your contributions, especially to community because that's

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<v Speaker 3>something that's dear to my heart. Man. When I know

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<v Speaker 3>people that are involved in community work, they said something

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<v Speaker 3>to it says something about that person, because that's the

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<v Speaker 3>person that is putting others, who knows how to put

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<v Speaker 3>others before themselves, And it's it's an unselfish person. And

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<v Speaker 3>we live in a very selfish society. It's we live

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<v Speaker 3>in a me me me society. And for people to

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<v Speaker 3>take to take the time to to do for others,

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<v Speaker 3>to loan themselves and their resources to better other people's lives. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciated brother, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Ladies and gentlemen. Joe Stevens, Judge Joe Stevens. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>put some respect on his name.

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<v Speaker 4>You know our man people, you know people into that nowadays. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>it's always judged. I'm just Joe man. You know when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm on the bench, I appreciate it, man, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's all love, man. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Ladies and gentlemen. Judge Joe Stevens. No motel appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was produced by A King and brought to

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<v Speaker 2>you by the Black Effect Podcast Network at iHeartRadio.