Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yet you know boys is back and redoad it all
Speaker 2: in your mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now deep throating.
Speaker 2: This is for the streets, the real the railroading, the distenfranchise,
Speaker 2: the truth escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak
Speaker 2: the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.
Speaker 2: The North South East coaches, the ge be not for
Speaker 2: keeping your head bobbing.
Speaker 4: It ain't no.
Speaker 2: Stopping and once to be drops head by and then
Speaker 2: the system is so corrupt they threw.
Speaker 3: The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 3: Don't get it twisted on coding. We danced it for
Speaker 3: no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all reloaded with another
Speaker 3: episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through
Speaker 3: this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, just Joe
Speaker 3: Stevens going on, brother, what's.
Speaker 4: Thank you man?
Speaker 3: It is so good to see your evolution. I've been
Speaker 3: knowing you a couple of decades now, and you've all
Speaker 3: always been a stand up progressive guy, always rooted in
Speaker 3: the community, always got a positive word, never caught up
Speaker 3: in anything scandalous.
Speaker 4: Thank god, how do you do it well? Thank God?
Speaker 4: There was no cell phones when we came up with
Speaker 4: the cameras and whatnot, bro, because you know we used
Speaker 4: to man when I was playing ball and when you
Speaker 4: come to the house, we had some good times. But
Speaker 4: grace of God man, and good parents, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I had. I had great upbringing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I can't thank Joseph and Shiryl Stevens enough just for
Speaker 4: you know, man in still in church and me and
Speaker 4: still in you know, knowing right from wrong, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And uh and and really, man, I
Speaker 4: never had a yes men around me, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. All my partner's been solid my day one,
Speaker 4: still down with me, and that that kind of kept
Speaker 4: me rooted.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Honestly, you know you.
Speaker 3: You went to North Shore, I did, now did you?
Speaker 3: Were you born in Houston or Riverside?
Speaker 4: I was born in Riversi, California. Moved out here when
Speaker 4: I was like six, and but I tended to glean
Speaker 4: the Park School with my whole life from elementary. So
Speaker 4: I'm east side of Houston all day long.
Speaker 3: And then became a board member for Cleena Park School District.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: How cool is that?
Speaker 4: Even? Man? Even I mean, if you know, if you
Speaker 4: remember this, I was, I was heavy in the mortgage
Speaker 4: game after playing ball on the mortgage company a couple
Speaker 4: of blocks from here and never forgets you came through
Speaker 4: with the Chrysler three hundred on switches, remember that after Katrina,
Speaker 4: and we was we've always kind of thought the same.
Speaker 4: We was like, man, you know what, I don't want
Speaker 4: to give my money the Red Cross. I want to
Speaker 4: go put my money in somebody hands that needs it.
Speaker 4: And me and you jumped into Chrysler hiding switches out
Speaker 4: in front of the Convention Center and walked through. Man,
Speaker 4: And I don't even know, looking back, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it was a great idea, but we did. I
Speaker 4: know we impacted some families and put some money in
Speaker 4: some folks hand after Katrina. Man, so I applied you, brother,
Speaker 4: because you've always had a benevolent heart as well. And
Speaker 4: I think that's why we've always kind of been kindred
Speaker 4: spirits man, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Man walk us through growing up. Do you even
Speaker 3: remember any parts of Riverside, California? Yeah, well no, I
Speaker 3: used to go back there.
Speaker 4: No that game banging My dad got me out of
Speaker 4: there because you know from his I ain't gonna say
Speaker 4: which family members, but man, game bangers. Man. My cousins
Speaker 4: are dead. You know, I've got cousins that shot in
Speaker 4: the face. Had I grown up in Riverside, ain't no
Speaker 4: telling what I would be, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: because you know, the gang culture was heavy out there,
Speaker 4: all my cousins out there. Bang. I still go back.
Speaker 4: I still go back and visit family, man, But it
Speaker 4: was rough. It was rough. I grew up right around
Speaker 4: the corner from Bobby Bond's Park. Anybody knows Riverside, go back.
Speaker 4: I used to go back and hoop at Bobby Bonds Park.
Speaker 4: I remember Kawhi when Kawhi was coming up. He's a
Speaker 4: little bit of kid hooping at the same rec center
Speaker 4: in Riverside. Riversidees put out a lot of talent, man.
Speaker 4: My dad played for Jerry Tarcanan a Riverside Community college.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, you got a lot of cats.
Speaker 4: Now you got girl girl golfer, probably the next Tiger
Speaker 4: Woods Mari Avers from Riverside. Riverside puts out a lot
Speaker 4: of talent, man. A lot of good athletes come out
Speaker 4: of Riverside.
Speaker 3: Your daughter is a pretty good athlete.
Speaker 4: She does she does okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's world
Speaker 4: class golf. She's a Texas A and M now man,
Speaker 4: and she's red shirting this year but improving every day.
Speaker 4: You know, she's uh, you know, got a good chance, man,
Speaker 4: she got a shot to be LPG professional. She's playing
Speaker 4: in a couple of LPG events. We got to qualify
Speaker 4: her next month for another one. She got invited to
Speaker 4: eighteen holes and she if she shoots the lower score,
Speaker 4: she'll be in the Cognizant LPGA event in May Man.
Speaker 4: So very proud of her.
Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, what's her ig? Everybody need to go.
Speaker 4: She's Alan Stevens Golf, a l L y n S
Speaker 4: t E p h e n S Golf, Alan Stevens
Speaker 4: golf man. You see a bunch of pictures ride hip
Speaker 4: and put augusta National Tiger Woods kind of leads a rice.
Speaker 4: She's she's a celebrity. Family man. I'm just I'm just dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well you you're a very important dad because
Speaker 3: you've always been rooted in family, like real strong. I'm
Speaker 3: just something. I'm not just saying, oh this is my family.
Speaker 3: I'm just doing what i gotta do. Nah, you're very
Speaker 3: intentional with your with your children. You know, you're very
Speaker 3: intentional with your marriage, your friends, you know, your business.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just passed the damn boy exam.
Speaker 4: Bro. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, dude. It's the man. Think
Speaker 4: about that. Man. When we came from DOC, I didn't
Speaker 4: even look man. And I hadn't been a saint man
Speaker 4: like I was. You know, I'm a judge now, but
Speaker 4: I try to sell some dope on Fleming back in
Speaker 4: the day, you know, on the on the east Side,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But but you you evolve, man,
Speaker 4: and and and when your when you when you when
Speaker 4: you're when your when your parents plant seeds in fertile soil,
Speaker 4: it bears fruit, you know what I mean. And those
Speaker 4: teachings that I learned at home always kind of steered
Speaker 4: me back to the middle of the road before I
Speaker 4: got too far out of bounds.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what you know. I practiced that
Speaker 4: in business, and I always try to do people right.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I just have always been a guy. That's that's that's
Speaker 4: you know. I want to leave you better than I
Speaker 4: found you, you know what I mean. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So even if you didn't if you didn't
Speaker 4: buy a mortgage from it, if you didn't buy insurance
Speaker 4: from it. If you didn't, you know, support me in whatever way,
Speaker 4: I still want to give you the blueprint, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And I think that's that's something in
Speaker 4: our community that the elders don't really do, right like
Speaker 4: like like the old school cats that came before us,
Speaker 4: they got it out the mud, so they expect us
Speaker 4: to get it the same way. And and but our contemporaries,
Speaker 4: you know, our Caucasian contemporaries, they get trust left, they
Speaker 4: learn about inheritance, they learned about life insurance, know stuff
Speaker 4: that we had to learn as me and you as
Speaker 4: grown men after we got money. Like nobody taught us that.
Speaker 4: And so man, it's to me. I see it as
Speaker 4: my duty to give a brother the blueprint down the
Speaker 4: way I get my suits made. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you the whole blueprint. And you know,
Speaker 4: we may put this to you ain't look the same
Speaker 4: as I look in it, but I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: how to get it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: that's something we don't do. Man. We need to start
Speaker 4: sharing information with each other and the brothers, especially the
Speaker 4: NBA fraternity, right like I. You know, when you retire
Speaker 4: from the league and you come back, guys kind of
Speaker 4: look at you like, what do he want? He must
Speaker 4: be broke now, you know what I'm saying. It's like, nah,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to tell you what what you know this
Speaker 4: that that white age ain't always right, you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's it's some other ways to invest your money in
Speaker 4: real estate. And and so what I did, I just
Speaker 4: did it. I did it. And then guys came to
Speaker 4: me after they say, what Joe doing? Man?
Speaker 3: Joe?
Speaker 4: Joe kind of made me doing good? Man, Joe doing
Speaker 4: better now than he was playing basketball. And then guys
Speaker 4: come back to you. But it's unfortunate that when we
Speaker 4: come back to each other with skeptical of it, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But but you'll take this dude
Speaker 4: face value and you don't even know him, you know.
Speaker 3: And don't even have a track no track record, and.
Speaker 4: You know me, you know what I'm saying. But that's
Speaker 4: hopefully we break those stigmas in our community, man, and
Speaker 4: get to the point as brothers where we can trust
Speaker 4: each other and stop competing with each other, right, celebrate
Speaker 4: each other's wins, you know, and and and and honestly
Speaker 4: be happy, because look, man, I Jay said it best.
Speaker 4: What's better than one being there too? Especially see from
Speaker 4: the same hue as you. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: And that's kind of live by that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said a mouthful when you said I want
Speaker 3: to leave you better than I found you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have the exact same philosophy when it comes to friends.
Speaker 3: When it comes to relationships, I look at it like
Speaker 3: anybody that has a relationship with me, I'm going to
Speaker 3: sow into them on some level and they're going to
Speaker 3: be better after meeting me than they would before meeting me.
Speaker 3: Like I don't. I don't even I don't even believe
Speaker 3: in just having like relationships that are idle like you
Speaker 3: just oh, there's nothing that you can get from being,
Speaker 3: you know, in a relationship with me or having having
Speaker 3: a connection to me, a friendship to me. I do
Speaker 3: believe in sharing those recent So I'm not no damn food.
Speaker 3: I'm not just gonna just be just giving it up
Speaker 3: to anybody and everybody whatever. But if I'm in a
Speaker 3: relationship with anybody, like I said, whether it's business, platonic, intimate,
Speaker 3: they gonna be better, no question. After I come into
Speaker 3: their life than they was before I came into.
Speaker 4: And it's gonna come back. Man, It's gonna come back,
Speaker 4: and it may. You know, you and I've never really
Speaker 4: done a deal together, but that's coming. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because you planning in fertile soil. And sometimes
Speaker 4: people think, Man, because I sold right now, I gotta
Speaker 4: read right now too.
Speaker 3: Nah.
Speaker 4: Man, if everybody in your circle is solid and you
Speaker 4: embracing your brother and uplifting your brother, eventually, man, y'all
Speaker 4: gonna break bread together. Period. I'm celebrating your wins. Man,
Speaker 4: I'm hoping you win. Everybody I come in contact with, man,
Speaker 4: I sincerely want them to win in life. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because guess what if I got it
Speaker 4: and you ain't got it? Will we can't do nothing together?
Speaker 4: Like like I'm I'm steady trying to pull you up.
Speaker 4: If you got it and I got it, we go
Speaker 4: buy up the whole block on Navigation and develop it
Speaker 4: and bill fifteen twenty townhomes and make two three million.
Speaker 4: But if I got it and you ain't got it,
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do together?
Speaker 3: And there are guys out there who they know that
Speaker 3: they can help you. They know that it wouldn't cost
Speaker 3: them anything. Yeah, man, and they'll sit back and hold
Speaker 3: their nuts and be like, you know what, I ain't
Speaker 3: helping him because if I do, that mean he ain't
Speaker 3: gonna need me no more. That means he might pass
Speaker 3: me up.
Speaker 4: I want to keep it.
Speaker 1: He might.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he may eyes shine me. He might start being
Speaker 3: able to compete with compete against me for the same girls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, right right right right.
Speaker 3: You know, he might get the same kind of house,
Speaker 3: be able to move in my neighborhood. I got to
Speaker 3: be able to say I'm the only one got this type.
Speaker 4: Of which is crazy. You see that in politics, dude,
Speaker 4: I see it right here in Houston. Man. It's some
Speaker 4: people that want to be the king and the kingmaker
Speaker 4: and I don't. And I'm satisfied being the only African American.
Speaker 4: I really want to be the only African American because
Speaker 4: of the prestige that comes with me being the only one.
Speaker 4: Instead of being like I'm in, let me be a
Speaker 4: door opener and a waymaker to let you know, because
Speaker 4: it's our turn, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 4: know some good qualified people that could carry the maner.
Speaker 4: But just man, just just interested in keeping you out
Speaker 4: of the game so they can be you know, bigger
Speaker 4: than life, which I just I really, man, it pains
Speaker 4: me to see it because I feel like our forefathers,
Speaker 4: like you know, Malcolm Martin Luther, even locally man Mickey Leland.
Speaker 4: I just really think those brothers were really about opening doors,
Speaker 4: trying to provide equity for people that look like you
Speaker 4: and I. You know what I'm saying. You go to
Speaker 4: a city like Atlanta, and I talk about this all
Speaker 4: the time. It's a documentary called Maynard m a y
Speaker 4: Naida about the former mayor of Atlanta. Man that oh
Speaker 4: that gout that was super cod will this dude the
Speaker 4: tarmac to the terminal at Hartsville and as Andrew I
Speaker 4: think Andrew Maynard, Yeah, he put it. He got in office,
Speaker 4: man and forced those banks to put people that look
Speaker 4: like you and I on those boards. And therefore, when
Speaker 4: you ride around Atlanta, like Houston, you see Lynn back,
Speaker 4: you see all of these the skyscrapers in Houston are
Speaker 4: built by predominantly firms that don't look like you and I.
Speaker 4: In Atlanta, man, that's us. And what happens is now
Speaker 4: when you have a fundraiser in Atlanta. It's not just
Speaker 4: t I and and and and and and uh what's
Speaker 4: my man named Killer Mike and the producer dude mydir
Speaker 4: uh Tyler Perry doing the fundraisers. You got average dudes
Speaker 4: in the room that you wouldn't even know. But they
Speaker 4: more time me money because they doing business with the
Speaker 4: city in the county in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: They got that money, got money. And I tell people
Speaker 3: all the time, man, stop putting everything on celebrities. Every
Speaker 3: time somebody you know, I'm on line a lot, man,
Speaker 3: and I see these comments from people. Be like, man,
Speaker 3: if all of the apples, if the rappers and the
Speaker 3: athletes would just get together, if the rappers and athletes
Speaker 3: would just get together and put these celebrities black celebrities,
Speaker 3: we could do this. We could have our own team.
Speaker 3: We could, Man, do you understand that the people with
Speaker 3: the most money ain't the ain't the entertainers. It's these
Speaker 3: average everyday businessman or I of getting it like Joe Judge,
Speaker 3: Joe Stevens. These are the dudes that are papered up
Speaker 3: on the average. They're gonna have more money overall than
Speaker 3: your athletes.
Speaker 4: Really can't say the whole you know, then you then
Speaker 4: your lebron can't say the whole hood, jay Z can't
Speaker 4: say the hood. Actually, Man, the everyday average person that's
Speaker 4: a voter, if they would participate in the electoral process,
Speaker 4: if they would just beat a solution. Right. I go
Speaker 4: these HOA meetings and civic club meetings all the time
Speaker 4: as the elected official in the hood, and people look
Speaker 4: to the elected official to solve all their problems. And
Speaker 4: I always say, man, do you have any solutions? We
Speaker 4: know what the problem is. My job as a representative
Speaker 4: is to collect all of your ideas.
Speaker 3: Is it to manage it or implement the solution?
Speaker 4: Well, one to listen to it first, right, and hear
Speaker 4: what the concerns of the rank and file are, because
Speaker 4: they're the people that's in the trenches. And then take
Speaker 4: that information and say, oh, this is a valid, viable concern.
Speaker 4: What's the solution. You in the hood, you in the street,
Speaker 4: how do we figure what do you think would work? Well, judge,
Speaker 4: if we had sidewalks, the kids wouldn't have to walk
Speaker 4: on the street to get Man, that's a viable solution.
Speaker 4: That's something we can take to the commissioners or whoever.
Speaker 4: And and lobby for sidewalks. I would tell people that
Speaker 4: watch this podcast, don't just complain, don't be the person
Speaker 4: at the h hi is dtake over. That's the big deal. Now,
Speaker 4: h ch ASD takeover in any solutions, anybody, we know
Speaker 4: what the problem is. We look, the district is gone.
Speaker 4: They took it over. The Republicans took They took it over.
Speaker 4: So explain to people why they took over the district.
Speaker 4: They took over the district because it was underperforming, and namely,
Speaker 4: it was a couple of scandals that went on with
Speaker 4: the district. And it really is some money grab, right.
Speaker 4: They took it over because they could because by all measurables,
Speaker 4: the district had course corrected. They did a complete one
Speaker 4: eighty schools that were f s or b's. Now the
Speaker 4: board that was there that was messing up is gone,
Speaker 4: the superintendent is new. So really it's a money grab
Speaker 4: if you want to know why they took it over.
Speaker 4: But whatever they justified that for, it's been done. So
Speaker 4: now proactively you got to figure out, Okay, what's the
Speaker 4: next step. Can we be involved with the border managers
Speaker 4: rather than a bunch of appointed people by Abbot to
Speaker 4: take over the board that they gonna put eight or
Speaker 4: nine board members now at least hopefully we can have
Speaker 4: some saying that, but we can't talk about what happened.
Speaker 4: We have to propose some solutions going forward. Rather than
Speaker 4: always being reactive, you know what I mean? Yeah, but
Speaker 4: you know it, just follow the money with that whole
Speaker 4: deal though, post the takeover, Follow the money and keep
Speaker 4: a close eye on it. And I think if you
Speaker 4: do that, you'll be able to get the district back
Speaker 4: a little quicker than maybe you wouldn't have if you
Speaker 4: weren't as involved. But we got to do something proactive to,
Speaker 4: you know, to to stay on top of the situation
Speaker 4: as it stands, which has been taken over. The why behind,
Speaker 4: why did they take it don't matter at this point.
Speaker 4: We got to proactively figure out how we can get
Speaker 4: it back as soon as possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you play for the Rockets, Okay, this is where
Speaker 3: you get your This is where you get your first
Speaker 3: taste of fame and public service basic so to speak,
Speaker 3: because I mean, I believe it or not. Man, you know,
Speaker 3: athletes do perform a public service people entertainment. It takes
Speaker 3: our mind off the everyday grind, you know, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: an escape for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, you came in after the rockets one.
Speaker 4: Or twenty four. I was ninety six, man, when Barkley
Speaker 4: first got here. That was my first year.
Speaker 3: How was that, dude? How was it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: I was his rookie. Man, I was his rookie, so
Speaker 4: you around all of that crazy stuff, but it was
Speaker 4: always you know, it was three thousand dollars here five,
Speaker 4: I mean due to give the shirt off his back.
Speaker 4: He says some of the most outlandish shock value stuff
Speaker 4: you've ever heard in life. But just as far as
Speaker 4: a person, Charles is a good dude. Man.
Speaker 3: But what I'm what I'm what I'm trying to get
Speaker 3: to is, how is chars a good dude?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: When Charles throws his people under the bus regularly, and
Speaker 3: he has all the smoke for black athletes and black
Speaker 3: people in general, but he never ever ever criticizes the
Speaker 3: white community.
Speaker 4: Yeah collectively, I think some of that, man is, sometimes
Speaker 4: you can be a victim of your own star them. Right.
Speaker 4: You you come from Leeds, Alabama, number one. Right, You're
Speaker 4: not from a big metropolis and you you get thrust
Speaker 4: into this stardom, so you and some of that you
Speaker 4: transcend color because when you start gets so bright like you,
Speaker 4: you can easily forget the worst drug known. The man
Speaker 4: is fame, right, I mean, you know it's and and
Speaker 4: you I see it. Even in politics here locally, people
Speaker 4: get a roll on when they win election or they
Speaker 4: win elected position, and it changes people. I think some
Speaker 4: of that may be losing touch with where you're from
Speaker 4: and who your people are. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I can't speak to why he does it on a
Speaker 4: personal level. What I know about him has always been
Speaker 4: good to me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you my thoughts or what I thank
Speaker 3: you wife. I think he does it. I think he
Speaker 3: does it because the head honchos at ESPN, ESPN, T
Speaker 3: and T Company they tell him to do it. They
Speaker 3: see he's been pretty consistent.
Speaker 4: He's been pretty consistent though before that, Before that, before
Speaker 4: he was he was he.
Speaker 3: Was consistently a drunken and out of control person who
Speaker 3: would disturb the peace. He was consistently that dude allowed
Speaker 3: my wild dude you know who was anti establishment. But
Speaker 3: once he got the job at TNT, he settled in
Speaker 3: and he started wearing wigs. He allowed them people to
Speaker 3: put wigs on them, put makeup on him, put dresses
Speaker 3: on them, put high hair shoes on them, put earrings
Speaker 3: in his ears. He and he kissed an old white
Speaker 3: dude All Star Weekend in the mouth, you know. So
Speaker 3: he did he did all of these things. And like
Speaker 3: I said, this dude consistently throws black people under the bus.
Speaker 3: Like Steven A. He has a lot to say when
Speaker 3: it comes to black athletes in particular. And when I
Speaker 3: say he has a lot to say, he has a
Speaker 3: lot of bad things to say. He has a lot
Speaker 3: of vitriol when a black person, a black player, gets
Speaker 3: out of pocket likewise Charles do. But when it's somebody white.
Speaker 3: Let's take the Jerry Jones situation, no comment on, no comment,
Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones is a good guy. Let me be clear,
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4: Will, that's that's us as black people, though, Will, that's
Speaker 4: been We've had some of us, We've had house folks.
Speaker 3: That's some of us.
Speaker 4: Feel folks since the beginning of the time, and unfortunately
Speaker 4: we've not been unified on a whole lot as a people.
Speaker 4: Shaq and Kenny been solid. Shaq and Kennedy been solid.
Speaker 4: Charles has been Charles for a long time, and I
Speaker 4: don't think you it's no different than again here locally,
Speaker 4: when people wanting to keep certain people out of certain
Speaker 4: seats and certain positions, they want to be the king
Speaker 4: and the kingmaker. The guy has his views and and
Speaker 4: and and he's assimilated to a certain level in life
Speaker 4: where he doesn't feel like he's us anymore. I guess
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you just I'm telling you this dude has
Speaker 3: drinking the kool Aid. He's he's drink the kool Aid.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with a lot of his dress. He's
Speaker 3: he's drink the kool Aid, and drink the kool Aid,
Speaker 3: and he uh goes out and he's saying the things
Speaker 3: that these networks, just like stephen A and what's her name?
Speaker 3: Cannis Ones and the one before her.
Speaker 4: What's the other dash the girl yet did before.
Speaker 3: Her, they are basically parroting.
Speaker 4: It doesn't help.
Speaker 3: What the networks tell them. What these guys are saying.
Speaker 3: They say the things that the network executives can't say
Speaker 3: in public, but you know they saying.
Speaker 4: It in from on behalf of those guy, Yeah, we
Speaker 4: know what it is. Man. But to your question, man,
Speaker 4: as as a as a member of that team. The
Speaker 4: guy was was a good dude in terms of as
Speaker 4: me for me as a rookie, he took care of
Speaker 4: me as a rookie.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess people can change for the worst, just
Speaker 3: like they can change for the best. You change for
Speaker 3: the best.
Speaker 4: But even yeah, even even with his views then I
Speaker 4: never agreed with something. I've been more pro us, you know,
Speaker 4: for a long time, and you just you kind of
Speaker 4: learned how to operate in certain arenas, and I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't really judge people for their stances, you know.
Speaker 4: And I you know, I'll be the first to say
Speaker 4: that I'm I advocate for African Americans every chance I get,
Speaker 4: because I realized that we need equity. I realized that
Speaker 4: we've been underserved, undervalued, overlooked for far too long. And
Speaker 4: I would hope that if I ever get the kind
Speaker 4: of money those guys have, I'll keep that same stance.
Speaker 4: But I've been in the rooms with Jordan, I've been
Speaker 4: in the room with Barkley, and unfortunately, sometimes fame can
Speaker 4: make you lose sight of the plight of black folks,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I just hope that
Speaker 4: guys like those guys and have big voices. But he
Speaker 4: told you a long time ago, we win the role model,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like like you know, so
Speaker 4: you know it's unfortunate that that all of us don't
Speaker 4: advocate for us the way we should with the platforms
Speaker 4: we have.
Speaker 3: Well, the truth of the matter is all of us
Speaker 3: are role models. Uh good or bad with role models?
Speaker 3: We either good role model or with bad room, no question,
Speaker 3: all of us a role model.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gottle boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after
Speaker 1: the break.
Speaker 3: When you went undrafted after playing your in college? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: how did that make you feel?
Speaker 4: It was crazy man, because I was roommates with Derek Fisher.
Speaker 4: I was teammates with Derek Fisher in college, and Derek
Speaker 4: Man I had a good senior year, was bawling sacrifice
Speaker 4: for the team. Wimp Sanderson was my college coach, so
Speaker 4: Wimp coached me at Alabama. He coached Latrell Spreewell, Robert Rory,
Speaker 4: James Hollywood, Robinson, James Caffey. Wimp probably had fifteen guys
Speaker 4: in the league under his tutelage under his under his
Speaker 4: from from Alabama at the from when he left Alabama
Speaker 4: and came to coach my school at Little Rock Spree
Speaker 4: Well and orient them. Guys was already in the league
Speaker 4: when he was coaching me, so he had an umbrella
Speaker 4: of guys that he you know, you know, if you
Speaker 4: play for WIMP, you gonna have a good chance to
Speaker 4: make to the league. So when the season was over,
Speaker 4: we we won the Sunbelt Conference, we almost made ANSTAA Tournament,
Speaker 4: lost first round n I T and the pre pro
Speaker 4: season camp started having in Chicago Portsmith, all those camps,
Speaker 4: and I'm not getting invited to nothing. I don't have
Speaker 4: an agent, nothing, and I'm looking at the coaches like, damn, man,
Speaker 4: what you know what about me? And man, I came
Speaker 4: home and uh, you know, back then we had two newspapers,
Speaker 4: the Houston Chronicle in the Houston Posts. I'm dating myself
Speaker 4: now and my dad is reading the Houston Post and
Speaker 4: he said, Jojo, they got an open tryout at HBU.
Speaker 4: You should go over there and try to see if
Speaker 4: you can get in the drills. But I wasn't invited.
Speaker 4: I just so happened to be going to sugar Land
Speaker 4: that day to work out past HBU on fifty nine
Speaker 4: and my boy pulled over and knock on the door.
Speaker 4: And guy remember me from high school, like Joe Still.
Speaker 4: He's like, I remember, Yeah, what have you been doing?
Speaker 4: I played a little rock day, said man, jumping the
Speaker 4: drills just like that, jumping the drills. And I was
Speaker 4: already dressed cause I was going to work out in
Speaker 4: sugar Land.
Speaker 3: Pause for a moment. You said, your boy pulled up,
Speaker 3: pulled up and sit and knocked on the door.
Speaker 4: I at HBU at the gym. He got off fifty Dwayne,
Speaker 4: you know, Dwayne tallcat is with me all the time.
Speaker 4: He jumps off fifty nine and pulls up to the
Speaker 4: gym in HBU. The doors to the gym are locked.
Speaker 4: I know where the gym is cause I played Smmer
Speaker 4: League in HBU. Right, dude, who's now he's Dennis Lindsay
Speaker 4: who's now a general manager in NBA. He was a
Speaker 4: film guy in for the Rockets. He opens the door
Speaker 4: and he played at Baylor, played basketball. He's like, you know,
Speaker 4: I say, I want to I'm dressed to play basketball,
Speaker 4: and he kind of look. I'm tall, you know, six seventy.
Speaker 4: He's like, I say, I'm Joe Stevens. I want to
Speaker 4: see if I can get in these drills. And I'm
Speaker 4: looking through the crack of the door and I see
Speaker 4: O Teller harringson, Matt Maloney, all these guys playing basketball.
Speaker 4: This is a rial. This is a true story. I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm lying telling it, he said, jumping the drills,
Speaker 4: Tracy Ware. So I jump into drills, man, and two
Speaker 4: hours later, I'm knocking down threes, I'm dunking on cats.
Speaker 4: I'm doing what I do. I'm in shape, I'm ready,
Speaker 4: and man, I'm I'm bending over And just like everybody
Speaker 4: else in college, I drove down from Little Rock to
Speaker 4: party on Richmond when they won the ninety four ninety
Speaker 4: five back to back championships. I'm bending over time my
Speaker 4: shoe in four sneakers walk up and I look up
Speaker 4: and it's Rudy, Tom Johanovich and Carol Dawson look at
Speaker 4: me dead in my eyes, and they say, how would
Speaker 4: you like to be a Houston Rocket? And I'm not
Speaker 4: bullshitting seriously, man, I'm not Bush. What do you think
Speaker 4: about all the guys. I wasn't even invited to this ship, man.
Speaker 4: All the guys in the gym that you know came
Speaker 4: from other schools. Someone was drafted or whatnot, and and
Speaker 4: I left the gym. And the next day I'm in
Speaker 4: the gym with Clyde Drexlan dream working out at west
Speaker 4: Side Tennis Club with some Houston Rockets gear on. And
Speaker 4: the three hours before that, I was in my kitchen
Speaker 4: table and my old man was like, Man, you should
Speaker 4: try to like literally, I thought I was gonna go overseas.
Speaker 3: So that's how it happened. Man's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, man, And I talked to Mad Hatter about that.
Speaker 4: You may have a thing like this too. When I'm
Speaker 4: talking to kids, I always tell kids no such thing
Speaker 4: as luck. Right, People say, Man, you got lucky now,
Speaker 4: you just had to have the luckily short na Man,
Speaker 4: Preparation met opportunity, you know what I'm saying. I was
Speaker 4: at the wire till midnight hoop working on my game home,
Speaker 4: and I could have been drinking forties every day, smoking
Speaker 4: weed and out of shape. I was prepared. Had he
Speaker 4: told me. I told the story to Manhatter, and had
Speaker 4: I said, Man, damn, that's crazy, cause I got a
Speaker 4: story similar to that. Because I used to work at
Speaker 4: ninety seventy nine and I was in the studio and
Speaker 4: the MC the chick used to always come late. She partied.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know who it was, and she
Speaker 4: didn't showed to work one day and the producer was
Speaker 4: tired of hers shit and he was like, had to
Speaker 4: jump in. He said, from that day he's had a
Speaker 4: syndicated radio show ever since, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But his opportunity presented itself and he was prepared, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And that's a real life story
Speaker 4: how I made it to the league, and that being
Speaker 4: able to say I played for the Houston Rockets, man
Speaker 4: is opened to this day. Oh he's a former Houston Rocket.
Speaker 4: It opened so many doors that I probably wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been able to get into had I not had that experience.
Speaker 4: Went on to play for the Grizzlies. Really grew up
Speaker 4: in Europe. Man. I went and played in France, Italy
Speaker 4: and Spain. Made a bunch of money over there, you
Speaker 4: know what, I considered a lot of money and kind
Speaker 4: of grew up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: My game matured. I got an affinity for art work,
Speaker 4: different cultures, you know what I mean. I wasn't a
Speaker 4: typical American when I went over there. I would want
Speaker 4: to submerge myself in your culture. I wanted to learn
Speaker 4: your language, you know what I mean, And it was good.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Basketball was a great vehicle for me that springboard me
Speaker 4: kind of into what I'm doing now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay ready so you ain't got to get so
Speaker 3: you ain't got to get ready. Boys and girls, do
Speaker 3: you understand what we're talking about here? Stay ready so
Speaker 3: you ain't got to get ready.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, because your opportunity will come at some point
Speaker 4: in life, and you don't want to be one of
Speaker 4: those people that look back and say, Damn, I wasn't ready.
Speaker 4: I wasn't prepared. You know. I stopped working out a
Speaker 4: week early because I got discouraged. You know. I always say, man,
Speaker 4: your greatest triumphs are just on the other side of
Speaker 4: something that's extremely hard, something that's extremely difficult. If you
Speaker 4: can just persevere, you know, one more rep, one more week.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, when you're gonna be like I was
Speaker 4: about to quit. I was about about to be done,
Speaker 4: and the ship just it happened, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But you just got to be patient to keep persevering.
Speaker 3: You know what I do. I psych myself out when
Speaker 3: I'm when I hit that wall you're talking about in
Speaker 3: my mind. I'm like, oh, this is what yeah, I
Speaker 3: prepared for and I'm just I just pushed hard at Well,
Speaker 3: that's because I know, like you said that, that that that.
Speaker 4: Opportunity is on us side. And that's and that's why
Speaker 4: you're Willy D. That's why you're Willy D. That's why
Speaker 4: you're king. That's why you are an alpha male. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean and and and it's and it's
Speaker 4: you will find these little things about us that are
Speaker 4: the same in all alpha males and all people that
Speaker 4: have ascended to a certain level in life. You know
Speaker 4: what I mean. On the East Side, I'm I'm a
Speaker 4: ghetto celebrity. I'm I'm really to be on the East side.
Speaker 4: I'm a hood movie star over there. But you find
Speaker 4: these traits in all of us. We can sit at
Speaker 4: the table and bring brothers from all around the you
Speaker 4: that have done well in life, and there's something about
Speaker 4: us that's the same. And it's that little extra that
Speaker 4: we're willing to do that other brothers won't do. With
Speaker 4: no excuses. Man, with no excuses. I've been carrying I've
Speaker 4: been carrying the wait for a long time for a
Speaker 4: lot of people. And you just realize as a king
Speaker 4: and as a dude. That's that's him. When you hearim,
Speaker 4: you know when you him. I tell guys this all
Speaker 4: the time. If you want to know, if you him,
Speaker 4: will you know me? From basketball to mortgages, to insurance,
Speaker 4: to school board to JP to now license attorney state
Speaker 4: of Texas. I'm for the Maxis attorney thing out. I
Speaker 4: promise you we'll be on a private plane in a
Speaker 4: few months, going somewhere a couple of years, give me,
Speaker 4: give me some time. But if you really him, you
Speaker 4: can do it in different genres and still be successful.
Speaker 4: You know, she'd get some guys many they'll hit the
Speaker 4: Grand Slam first time up the bat. Whatever that career was,
Speaker 4: that's NBA. I know so many guys that can't figure
Speaker 4: it out. They can't figure out their next move. And
Speaker 4: all it takes is the same motivation that you had
Speaker 4: to make it in the NBA. You just got to
Speaker 4: reapply yourself. Because if you was good enough to make
Speaker 4: to the league, you was good enough to have plantinum albums.
Speaker 4: You can take that same drive and have a one
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar podcast. It's just are you willing to
Speaker 4: make the sacrifice and grind to be a king. It's simple.
Speaker 4: Late Nights early More, I watched. I'm a fan of Lynn.
Speaker 4: I follow a lot of guys and I follow LN,
Speaker 4: I follow Can in Hollywood CV.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of six guys that are grinding man
Speaker 4: because I love to see brothers work man to achieve
Speaker 4: what it is they're trying to get. Because there's a
Speaker 4: lesson in that, man, and there's no hate. It's like
Speaker 4: you can learn something from everybody. I don't care if
Speaker 4: you're selling cars or selling turkey legs. I'm studying, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm the same way. But I mean, god, it's a trip.
Speaker 3: How long we've been knowing each other and we never
Speaker 3: really had the life conversation that we're having now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've had little We've had a little conversation is about
Speaker 3: certain little things or whatever.
Speaker 4: Fun stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know topic.
Speaker 4: But family too, though, I mean you you gotta, you gotta.
Speaker 4: I believest kids. I'm proud of you, brother. Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: That's the coolest. I mean, that's coolest shit. Like I
Speaker 4: you know, for us, man, I feel like we are
Speaker 4: most the sacrificial lambs for our family, right, Like we
Speaker 4: got good lives.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: But my thing is, Man, I really want my kids
Speaker 4: to have it better than I did, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? And if I got to die to day
Speaker 4: to make that happen, that's that's that's my deal, man.
Speaker 4: It's leaving that legacy because that comes with you. That's
Speaker 4: that's how generational wealth is started. You know what I
Speaker 4: mean by by by playing those seeds and and that's
Speaker 4: what that's That's what I think you and I are
Speaker 4: here for more so than anything, it's the shepherd the
Speaker 4: next generation, so that people can look at us one
Speaker 4: day and say, man, the world was a better place
Speaker 4: because them cats came through. You know.
Speaker 3: That's dope. Yeah, that's dope, because you know, I was
Speaker 3: talking to somebody the other day about how it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter how well you live your life. Typically after a
Speaker 3: few generations, your lineags don't even know who you are. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people in your lineage, they don't even know who you are,
Speaker 3: Like most people don't know don't know past their like
Speaker 3: great grandparents. Yeah right, they don't know who. And I
Speaker 3: don't want that. I'm like, no, y'all gonna know because
Speaker 3: I got things I'm putting you.
Speaker 4: For sure. This landever, Yeah, this land, this property. Y'all
Speaker 4: came on this lake when y'all used to fish all
Speaker 4: these years. Grandpa will put that in place. You put
Speaker 4: me on the spot, man, I know this your podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put you on the spot, man, because you
Speaker 4: and I went through some pain together with a mutual
Speaker 4: friend with face man with with the whole Grammy thing.
Speaker 4: And I called you before you called me right after
Speaker 4: the thing happened, Man, because I knew my brother was hurt.
Speaker 4: I knew you was hurt, man, and I watched the podcast.
Speaker 4: I Hate Face ain't here today, So I hope at
Speaker 4: some level, man, y'all can mend fences. But that's an
Speaker 4: example of when you should look out for your brother,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: When you.
Speaker 4: Have the opportunity to be a door opener and a waymaker,
Speaker 4: you have to have the perceptiveness. You have to be
Speaker 4: perceptive enough to know this is a lifetime, once in
Speaker 4: a lifetime opportunity that we can't get this moment in
Speaker 4: time back. This is fifty years of hip hop. You know,
Speaker 4: you talk to guys around the city about what happened,
Speaker 4: you know, catching O when you and our coop, I
Speaker 4: don't have Cats dime in the barbershop. Man Face should
Speaker 4: have done this. Now, Face was right, Doc, I'm just
Speaker 4: any black man that's out there. If you have a
Speaker 4: chance to uplift a brother, your brother that you've come
Speaker 4: up with, it's just certain shit. You just can't be like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go do this by myself. So man, I
Speaker 4: know if I saw the podcast, and I know Face
Speaker 4: was kind of like like he couldn't. He was kind
Speaker 4: of deflecting and doing a bunch of other ship like
Speaker 4: he couldn't really understand why, you know, you were so
Speaker 4: hurt about it. But but it was simple, dude, because
Speaker 4: one not even that it was a ghetto boy song.
Speaker 4: It's the fact that we're trying to get a bag together.
Speaker 4: And in all the years of the Grammys, we've never
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to be on that stage, the biggest
Speaker 4: stage in music where they perpetuate whiteness, And for this
Speaker 4: thirteen minutes or whatever the hell it was, we had
Speaker 4: a chance. If I even if you didn't rap, if.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been on that stage, if I wouldn'trap,
Speaker 3: I ain't no goddamn hype man. But I just I
Speaker 3: ain't goddamn hYP I know I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have I wouldn't have done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, man, I know, but I just, man,
Speaker 4: that that hurt me.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: I just man, and it really hurts me that that
Speaker 4: to see. I don't know, man, I just I'm always
Speaker 4: hoping that because y'all, I'm fan. I'm still a fan.
Speaker 4: I'm still a fan. I grew up man at make
Speaker 4: A Jamaica, sitting in the corner watching brothers past beats
Speaker 4: around the club. You know what I'm saying, idolizing the
Speaker 4: ghetto boys. Man, all y'all have done for this city. Man,
Speaker 4: So salute to both of y'all kings. And I hope
Speaker 4: that someday, man, you guys can break the bank together.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: That's that's my honest to God prayer for y'all. And
Speaker 4: when you get if you get the plane before I do,
Speaker 4: make sure I got to see it out.
Speaker 3: You know, you're always well.
Speaker 4: Gettle boys.
Speaker 1: Reloaded podcasts will be right back after this break.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about John Morat. Yeah, as someone
Speaker 3: who's been in the league. In the NBA is a
Speaker 3: different level. I don't think people have Most people don't
Speaker 3: have any idea how rock starsh.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable even more now it is, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like like it's a different east. John Murrat being
Speaker 3: a young player who has gained a lot of success
Speaker 3: really really fast. I mean, his rise has been meteoric.
Speaker 3: What kind of advice would you give to that guy
Speaker 3: to like pump those breaks, man, and you know, like
Speaker 3: get off the gas, just really just get off the gas.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: You go from a college kid to now being the
Speaker 4: bread one. You really go from being a child to
Speaker 4: being your parents parent. Right a quarter of a billion dollars.
Speaker 4: If you gave that to me and you right now,
Speaker 4: we may lose it for a couple of weeks, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? I would just say, man, the
Speaker 4: blueprint is out there. You got guys like Jay everybody
Speaker 4: needs og We all need an og. Find you a
Speaker 4: OG man. If I was in that arena, do my
Speaker 4: damnits to get in touch with Jay Z or somebody
Speaker 4: of that mold too? Man, How did you do it?
Speaker 4: How did you? Because Jay Donet flipped the bag I
Speaker 4: don't know how many times and even fifty manute, it's
Speaker 4: a lot of guys and I'm not not just entertaining
Speaker 4: even business guys like I would do the same thing.
Speaker 4: I tell kids that do now, find somebody in your field,
Speaker 4: or find somebody that you respect and admire, and ask
Speaker 4: them for the blueprint.
Speaker 3: You know, what I think happens a lot is exactly
Speaker 3: what you alluded to. Like, we don't ask for the blueprint.
Speaker 3: Like when I was getting money early on, I just
Speaker 3: like this my money. Yeah, I'm spend it like a
Speaker 3: one too. Yeah, I'm not talking to the other man
Speaker 3: about what kind of house or what I should be
Speaker 3: paying for this marble to be installed or whatever whatever.
Speaker 3: I just went and did it because it's with me,
Speaker 3: and it's an ego thing. And this is why we
Speaker 3: make so many mistakes. Women make mistakes too, But I
Speaker 3: don't think women make as many mistakes as men do.
Speaker 3: Because women will call the tribe. They will call every
Speaker 3: one of their girlfriends, they'll call their homeboy, they'll call
Speaker 3: anybody that they think that might give them some good advice. Now,
Speaker 3: they might not use it. They can get all that information.
Speaker 3: They still may not use it, but they are at
Speaker 3: least going to make the inquiry. Men, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: will just go off and just do whatever and not.
Speaker 4: Pick up their easy twenty three twenty four.
Speaker 3: I can't remember. He's down.
Speaker 4: You got you got the KG, the Kevin Garnets, you
Speaker 4: got the Alan Iverson.
Speaker 3: The thing is they will help him, and they.
Speaker 4: And actually, man, those guys should reach out to him.
Speaker 4: If you if you you know, like like to me,
Speaker 4: like Iverson, like you you have a responsibility. Man, we're
Speaker 4: talking about being a door opener. That's another kind of
Speaker 4: door that you can open as an og to call
Speaker 4: joh But but at the same time, for John, he's
Speaker 4: got the influence at this point, he could have Bill Gates,
Speaker 4: Warren Buffett, Jay z Oprah, Tyler Pierce. He's got the influence.
Speaker 4: You know, when you that guy when that when you him,
Speaker 4: you could pick the phone up. Then I answered my
Speaker 4: phone call. They may not answer your phone calls, but
Speaker 4: they'll answer John's phone calls. So man, I just hope
Speaker 4: that he would get some OJ's and some mentors around
Speaker 4: him because the bag that he has. I'm so proud.
Speaker 4: Let me just say this publicly. My little mentee just
Speaker 4: got a bag. He just broke the bank with the NFL.
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts. I've known Jalen Hurts since he was two
Speaker 4: years old. He just signed the largest contract, and it
Speaker 4: shouts out to jail man, it shouts out to his
Speaker 4: to his dad, to Big Todd, his mom. A great,
Speaker 4: great family from the east Side. I told Todd the
Speaker 4: other day. You know you got to say your house
Speaker 4: to get on out of here. Right you're still on
Speaker 4: the east Side. Now. You don't want about to come
Speaker 4: kidnapp you for some ransom, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But man, now, man, I'm so happy for that family.
Speaker 4: They from channel of you next door to me and
Speaker 4: or sure man and uh but even us, even me
Speaker 4: and you. You gotta have wives, counsel man, you gotta
Speaker 4: have somebody you can go to because I don't know
Speaker 4: what all you you call me by development. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give you a blueprint.
Speaker 3: But you know, but you know why the guys who's
Speaker 3: made it dunk I can eat. I can just tell
Speaker 3: you from my stand. Yeah. Sometimes after you, when you
Speaker 3: get to a certain level in life where you become
Speaker 3: you get shot patience for bullshit for sure. And if
Speaker 3: you think a person's gonna be hard headed, they may
Speaker 3: not listen me. You may not want to, You may
Speaker 3: not want to reach out, you know, because you think
Speaker 3: that person probably is not going to be receptive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a young knucklehead, right, he's a good but
Speaker 4: he's a good kid. I don't get that from John.
Speaker 4: I don't get that. I don't get that from He
Speaker 4: really strikes me as a kid that would listen. I
Speaker 4: was at the Rockets game, sitting in rusty, hardened seats
Speaker 4: and Tim Morant was behind him, and Mary was me
Speaker 4: and Mary Ellie was sitting together. Chopped it up with
Speaker 4: Tim Morant. Good dude, man, he's a dude. You and
Speaker 4: I would kick you know, we would hang out with
Speaker 4: good dude. I just think, man, you can't even imagine lambos, cars, females,
Speaker 4: the life, private playing. I mean, it's just a lot
Speaker 4: for a young kid. Man, it's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 4: And honestly, he hadn't killed anybody. He hadn't you look, man,
Speaker 4: he had a little little pistol on him in the
Speaker 4: strip club. You saw the pictures he was in there
Speaker 4: by hisself with He hadn't done a whole lot wrong
Speaker 4: that I've seen the way we're talking about him as
Speaker 4: if he's really done something nefarious and broken the law
Speaker 4: or something. John Morant was in the strip club with
Speaker 4: a gun, by himself. He's a worth a quarter of
Speaker 4: billion dollars. Second, a member applies to us too, right,
Speaker 4: So what is he done that's so bad? Now, We've
Speaker 4: had some guys make some serious mistakes, like Rugs. The
Speaker 4: kid from Alabama with that killed a person in Vegas
Speaker 4: with the car. You know what I mean. That's a
Speaker 4: Fortunately the mistake job made. He can come back from
Speaker 4: and he and he will come back from. And I
Speaker 4: just hope you you said, what advice would I give him?
Speaker 4: Get an OG, A couple of them, you know, and
Speaker 4: seek wise counsel who was jog. Myog was Sam came
Speaker 4: at God rest his soul. He was my mortgage og.
Speaker 4: Uh my insurance og was a guy named Jody h
Speaker 4: and another cat named hal Iu. In San Diego, I
Speaker 4: was president's counsel man. I've always so my, you know,
Speaker 4: to say that I've been successful through different genres. I
Speaker 4: mentioned that earlier. It wasn't because of me, you know,
Speaker 4: it was just because I was humble enough to ask
Speaker 4: people that knew more than me. And uh wise, dude,
Speaker 4: Sam told me a long time ago, he said, it's
Speaker 4: better to be a thief than an innovator. And what
Speaker 4: that meant was, don't go out here and try to
Speaker 4: figure this shit out on your own. It's somebody that's
Speaker 4: already done it, so so why why not just do
Speaker 4: what they did and put your own little twist on it.
Speaker 4: And that's what I did. That's that, That's what I did.
Speaker 3: Is that don't try to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to re invent the wheel. Yeah, better be
Speaker 4: a thief than innovator, you know. So Sam was one
Speaker 4: hal and Jody was my my insurance guys. Uh NBA
Speaker 4: was was Marrio and Clyde still my guys to this day.
Speaker 4: I called I affectionately refer to both of them guys
Speaker 4: as unc you know what I'm saying. I called Mary
Speaker 4: to day. Uh and when he's unk, he's always unk.
Speaker 4: Man them Cancer was they they were regal gentlemen back then.
Speaker 4: Took me under their wing. You know, both of my husbands,
Speaker 4: both of them my fathers. You know, they they both
Speaker 4: hosted my first fundraiser for me with Moses Malone when
Speaker 4: I decided to run for this seat. So, man, I've
Speaker 4: I've had some uh some wives counsel in my life,
Speaker 4: and and and and luckily didn't have a bunch of
Speaker 4: yes men as friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw Marryo at your fiftieth. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: good to see him. I hadn't seen Mary years.
Speaker 4: He's good, man, he's good. I'm lobbyingnam man. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to really, every time I get somebody, I'm trying to. Man.
Speaker 4: Sam Casell needs to be the next Rockets coach. Bring
Speaker 4: Sam back man, Bring Sam back man. We need we
Speaker 4: need a connection from the championship years to these young
Speaker 4: kids we got now. And I'm not even look, man,
Speaker 4: we got some talent, dude, we got Jalen Green, KP
Speaker 4: three segun. They got taate. They just don't have to
Speaker 4: play basketball. They play one hundred miles an hour. I
Speaker 4: remember Clyde pulling me to the side my first practice, like,
Speaker 4: young fella, you can hoop. Just slow down you're going
Speaker 4: like you know, change your pace like I'm I had
Speaker 4: one speed go you know what I'm saying. And these
Speaker 4: Junkyard watch, I'm like, damn they good man, But they
Speaker 4: needed You need some of the veteran OG's to come
Speaker 4: back and teach these kids one how to sacrifice right.
Speaker 4: None of them nowadays everybody gets so much money endorsements,
Speaker 4: nobody wants to sacrifice for the greater good. But I
Speaker 4: promise you man, like you know, like a Draymond Green
Speaker 4: would never be a superstar. Worry not on another team,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? But he made sacrifice and everybody, man,
Speaker 4: if you accomplished the goal of winning championship, everybody gonna
Speaker 4: get a bag, you know what I mean. That's why
Speaker 4: Jalen got paid. They made it to the super Bowl,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Just but but they need
Speaker 4: some veterans over there to kind of teach him how
Speaker 4: to play basketball and how to win.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Draymond Green, I know you open it up.
Speaker 3: You know, I was coming with what do you think
Speaker 3: about j Draymond stumping on dude's chest?
Speaker 4: I loved it. I absolutely loved it. It's something deep
Speaker 4: down I mean, but but I think one of the
Speaker 4: dude grab his foot. Let's be clear, you don't have
Speaker 4: to you grab my foot, and you know how you
Speaker 4: jump up in the air. Now, he kind of the
Speaker 4: stump was It wasn't as bad as it looked. Man,
Speaker 4: I don't think he should be suspended a game. He's
Speaker 4: a guy that's a victim of his own wrongdoers. In
Speaker 4: the past, which I hate. I hope. I wish they'd
Speaker 4: overturned him throwing him out of this game, and that
Speaker 4: I think it's a total bs. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't think it was that bad. He
Speaker 4: had a European player on the ground, He's rolling around
Speaker 4: like somebody almost stump stumps his shit. Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: He kind of acted a little bit, you know, when
Speaker 4: somebody grabbing your foot and you're trying to get loose
Speaker 4: and you where was he? Where was he gonna land?
Speaker 4: I didn't see. I didn't think I've done that before.
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was so bad. I really didn't.
Speaker 4: To the average fan watching it, if that would have
Speaker 4: been Klay Thompson doing that, he'd be playing tonight. And
Speaker 4: that's what I don't like about that decision. Had it
Speaker 4: been anybody but Draymond. Now Draymond. Look, I'm not a
Speaker 4: Draymond sympathizer. He's done a lot of dumb shit. But
Speaker 4: the other night, that wouldn't. That wasn't something I really
Speaker 4: if you look at a game before that, him and
Speaker 4: the same guy got tangled up and they was kind
Speaker 4: of on the ground doing what Barclay and Karl Malone
Speaker 4: did at time to knock each other down. They rolling
Speaker 4: around on the ground, not letting each other get up.
Speaker 4: That was kind of an extension of that, and I
Speaker 4: wish the NBA was more kind of judicial when they
Speaker 4: looked at the totality of that circumstance.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people are saying that Draymond
Speaker 3: could have like really injured dude. But dude could have
Speaker 3: really injured Draymond. I mean, I mean, you're messing with
Speaker 3: my money. Man, that's my ankle.
Speaker 4: You hold that whole. I'm trying, and I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 4: standing up, trying to run, and I'm trying to get
Speaker 4: my footloose, and you jump up in the air trying
Speaker 4: to get your foot loose. Watch it, man, I watched
Speaker 4: it a couple of times. Where was he gonna land?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, but it's Draymond so so
Speaker 4: because he has his reputation, the diffuses a little bit shorter,
Speaker 4: you know, for lack of better analogy, The least is
Speaker 4: a little bit shorter with him, and he's a victim
Speaker 4: of his own passing discretions.
Speaker 3: You know, Draymond is necessary though, you know, I know
Speaker 3: he has I know he has this indiscretions and all this,
Speaker 3: you know, But Raymond, you need a dog that the
Speaker 3: team needs at that team's v max exist that team.
Speaker 3: That's who I think about every time.
Speaker 4: I've never been on a winning team that didn't have
Speaker 4: one or two dudes that can have to be bailed
Speaker 4: out the next morning, right from I've won championships overseas,
Speaker 4: you know, Western Conference finals with the Rockets, championships in college.
Speaker 4: Every good team I've been on had at least one
Speaker 4: dude that's a live wire that you don't you don't
Speaker 4: even want to go out with him because you don't
Speaker 4: know if you're gonna have a great night or end
Speaker 4: up in jail. You know, we don't know we come
Speaker 4: home with a bunch of girls or go end up
Speaker 4: in a sales somewhere. But every team, you got to
Speaker 4: have a dog. And you know that's just just a
Speaker 4: loose cannon, you know. But a team full of nice
Speaker 4: guys will never win it all. That's why the Jazz
Speaker 4: never won it all. You know, back with Karl Malone
Speaker 4: and you just got too many nice guys you had.
Speaker 4: You needed a thug on that team, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, jazz. Let's see who did they have. I mean,
Speaker 3: Karl Malone was.
Speaker 4: By it, yes, Shannon Anderson, Brian Russell, uh Halet was
Speaker 4: not havle a check HORNI seck thorough ball. I was
Speaker 4: on that team for I was on that team, uh
Speaker 4: for for two months right after the lockout, I think
Speaker 4: two thousand and they picked me up for a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks and I had a little short cup of
Speaker 4: team with the with the Jazz, but a bunch of
Speaker 4: nice guys. No fights in practice. That's some probably one
Speaker 4: of only training camps I've ever been through where there
Speaker 4: was no fights. I'm like, ain't, don't nobody fight? I
Speaker 4: never forget we got we got traded. I shouldn't o'deller
Speaker 4: gonna be mad at me. I got traded up to Vancouver.
Speaker 4: Uh well, I was. I was actually picked up by
Speaker 4: a free agent. But o'thella Mike Dickerson. We all went
Speaker 4: to play with Mike Bibbie, Sharife, Abdulraheem big country up
Speaker 4: in Vancouver. I played there in not two thousand. I
Speaker 4: think it's one of my second practices. And if you
Speaker 4: know Michael Dickinson, Mike d was real quiet, super quiet, dude,
Speaker 4: but Mike boxed. Mike boxed and him and o'feller got
Speaker 4: into it. It was a two piece with a biscuit.
Speaker 4: That happened so quick, and man and o'thella. If you know, othello,
Speaker 4: o'della's quiet too, So it was too quiet. O'thella for
Speaker 4: thirty minutes is running around the ship trying to get
Speaker 4: to Mike d coaches trying to break them up. But
Speaker 4: who nobody. It was just a two telling again. He
Speaker 4: didn't get dropped, but he it was, he was, he was.
Speaker 4: He was stunned a little bit. It was quick, it was,
Speaker 4: it was solid. It was o'della. I'm sorry, brother, it
Speaker 4: was it was. It was a nice little It was
Speaker 4: a quick combo too. It was quick. It was quick,
Speaker 4: and oh, we're trying to hold old back for thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: So the coaches, I'm the I'm the common denominator between
Speaker 4: all these guys. We all came from Houston. Uh, Stevens,
Speaker 4: was there a problem before the trade? Those guys and
Speaker 4: I said that this has never happened like they never did.
Speaker 4: We were all we going to go to dinner together
Speaker 4: just but they didn't have a culture of win and
Speaker 4: actually man, we had won the most games in the
Speaker 4: history that franchised through this before Memphis, this went. They
Speaker 4: were up in Vancouver, through the history of through January.
Speaker 4: We won the most games. But you needed some dogs, man,
Speaker 4: you needed some guys that may fight, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's what we had. That's what we had.
Speaker 3: You said that o'feller spend thirty minutes running around the gym.
Speaker 4: Trying to get Mike, trying to get that mike, trying
Speaker 4: to get a mic. But why did he get that
Speaker 4: mic when he got two pieces? Oh he tried, He tried,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. You right, guys jumped in Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Guys cannot jump in faster.
Speaker 4: Well, you box, if you hit somebody, they kind of
Speaker 4: they kind of stumbled a little bit. It's gonna yeah,
Speaker 4: d Dan, okay right here now, not where where the guy?
Speaker 4: Not if I catch you solid, which which brings me
Speaker 4: to your boxing career back when we've been Halphines for
Speaker 4: here back in the day. That's another Willie d Joe
Speaker 4: Stevens story back in the day. And remember we had
Speaker 4: an entourage in Hali chem from you that day. You
Speaker 4: drug dude too. I don't even know his name. There
Speaker 4: you find some tomato can back in the day.
Speaker 3: Oh man, what was that doe named John something?
Speaker 4: Will you had some hands?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 4: I know boxing. I watched boxing for a long time.
Speaker 4: WILLI d does have hands. We used to call him
Speaker 4: Willi Hans Yeah, man, yeah, man.
Speaker 3: Did you ever get into a fight while.
Speaker 4: All the time my first practice with Charles bark I
Speaker 4: stole on Charles Barkley. I stole him in the cheating. Yes,
Speaker 4: I didn't drop him. I didn't drop him. I was
Speaker 4: in Galveston. We used to play a training camping gage.
Speaker 3: You just said Chus Buckle was a good guy?
Speaker 4: Not he when he closed line me and you had
Speaker 4: and so man, that's the so we in Galveston and
Speaker 4: I go up for a layup and he snatches me
Speaker 4: out of the air, and and he starts, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody jumps saying what you know in the big commotion,
Speaker 4: and he starts laughing. You're my rookie. From that point on,
Speaker 4: I was just rookie for the rest of the season,
Speaker 4: you know, because I and I when I did it,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking I was ship. I'm finna get cut down
Speaker 4: to get cut first practice, I'm gone, and I probably
Speaker 4: made the team because of that, you know, honestly, just
Speaker 4: because they knew I was. I didn't give a ship man.
Speaker 4: You know, the one thing you want, you're gonna respect me,
Speaker 4: you know, job aside.
Speaker 3: You know, man, how did you learn to give a
Speaker 3: shit about community?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Because you know, when it comes to youth advocacy and mentorship,
Speaker 3: it's second or nine. I mean you're really you're really
Speaker 3: in in deep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's it's just innate, dude. I really feel
Speaker 4: like I was put here to help people. I feel
Speaker 4: like that's my calling. It's something I was born with
Speaker 4: and it's nothing I've learned to do, even in college.
Speaker 4: I did it in college, like I I student taught
Speaker 4: Little Rock Central High School where they had the big
Speaker 4: civil rights where the picture of Jerry Jones. They thought
Speaker 4: I student taught at that high school because I graduated
Speaker 4: college at semester early. So in order to get credits
Speaker 4: so I can continue to play basketball, I did a
Speaker 4: student teaching program and got my teacher certification in Little Rock.
Speaker 3: How much are that Jerry Jones was left over?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 4: Oh no, it was it was black black, it was
Speaker 4: it was it was an African American school. When I
Speaker 4: was there, it was the hood. It's the little the
Speaker 4: little right Central is rough now, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I just even then, I always went and
Speaker 4: spoke to kids, even at University Colorado, just as the
Speaker 4: and it wasn't something the team made me do. Like
Speaker 4: I liked would meet teachers and they knew I was
Speaker 4: on the basketball team, so I would go out and
Speaker 4: speak to kids, and and just I just saw that
Speaker 4: you could impact a kid. And I saw myself going
Speaker 4: to a Clyde Drexler basketball camp as a sophomore in
Speaker 4: high school and then ended up playing with Clyde Drexler,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I realized that, man,
Speaker 4: if you plan a seed, you never know what can
Speaker 4: come from that. So I just meant, you know, I've
Speaker 4: always had that inemy to do that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was in middle school and Robert.
Speaker 4: Robert Ree, Robbery, Robbie Joe Reid, he was my he
Speaker 4: was that was my that was another OGM mine. He's
Speaker 4: still in one of my mentors.
Speaker 3: ROBBERI Reed came to my middle school and spoke to
Speaker 3: us in the cafeteria. We didn't have an auditorium, so
Speaker 3: the cafeteria doubled as an auditory. So Robert Ree walks
Speaker 3: in and people go crazy.
Speaker 4: Just I don't know why, because he had that Jerry
Speaker 4: Curl back, and back then Billy d Williams was real popular.
Speaker 4: So Bobbie Joe Ree was the Billy d Williams Houston.
Speaker 3: He may have. He may have been because those with
Speaker 3: those girls. Now Bobbie, the girls was going crazy. But
Speaker 3: even the guys were just really just rooting for him,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's.
Speaker 4: The Rockets God to Larry bird. He was the guy
Speaker 4: guard Larry Bird back.
Speaker 3: He had those those knee high socks. Robbert robber Ree
Speaker 3: was was the man. She came in and and and
Speaker 3: the place just erupted right, And I remember just being
Speaker 3: in Ah. I wasn't cheering, I wasn't going I was
Speaker 3: just standing at Typically me and my boy, when we
Speaker 3: have somebody to come to talk to us, we would
Speaker 3: act the damn food. She'll be on one side of
Speaker 3: the auditorium or whatever on the other side and he'll say,
Speaker 3: what's the word. I'll be like doing to bad. What's
Speaker 3: the price a dollar?
Speaker 4: Twice?
Speaker 3: You know, we're just at a fool. That'd be our
Speaker 3: time to ack of food.
Speaker 4: But when Robert Reed came, I listened.
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, and it did something to me,
Speaker 3: like to see him get that type of praise, And
Speaker 3: do you know I was, I was fourteen at the time.
Speaker 3: About ten years later, I was speaking to the kids.
Speaker 3: I walked into that same cafeteria and received that same
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I had no idea that that could happen
Speaker 3: to me. I had no idea that I could be
Speaker 3: worthy of something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it was happening, yup, I it blew my mind.
Speaker 3: I was like when they asked me, they called me
Speaker 3: and asked me to come speak.
Speaker 4: And you did it. And he was right there where
Speaker 4: Robal he was. That's that's dage. I mean I had
Speaker 4: I used to do. I used to have basketball camps
Speaker 4: on the East Side. That's kind of what endeared that
Speaker 4: community to me. Post taking the first team to state
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety one, we beat Million Yates and Harpin's
Speaker 4: and I was the started team consensus player of the
Speaker 4: Year in Houston, both newspapers, first team to ever go
Speaker 4: to state and we beat Yates and Milby like and
Speaker 4: back then, north Shore was no show is what they
Speaker 4: used to call us then you know and cause. But
Speaker 4: what happened was there was a migration of people from
Speaker 4: Fifth Ward whose p families would get jobs at the
Speaker 4: plant in Baytown. So in order to move on up
Speaker 4: in life, they would buy three two two's over on
Speaker 4: the east side when they were kind of ascending their
Speaker 4: way up to in life. So there was a lot
Speaker 4: of apps. Was three bedroom, two bedroom house h with
Speaker 4: two car garage, and so those kids' parents word. So
Speaker 4: now we had a lot of African Americans and we
Speaker 4: went to State and uh, after I made it for
Speaker 4: the Rockets, I said, I'm gonna do a basketball camp
Speaker 4: for kids on that side of town. And so I
Speaker 4: would play basketball at Fundy Recreation Center where everybody would
Speaker 4: be there, Penny Hardaway, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Robert or
Speaker 4: Latrell's everybody would come through Fundy and so I would
Speaker 4: be like, Yo, let's go to lunch man, get Robb
Speaker 4: or or get casselle I get Sam Cassell saying come right,
Speaker 4: let's go get some lunch. Man. I take them away
Speaker 4: to the east side to Benningas and we'd eat lunch.
Speaker 4: May come roll with your boy man, make God damn,
Speaker 4: I'm Joe. I'm trying ready to get back home. Man,
Speaker 4: take me back to the Southwest sidewest statement. Man, I
Speaker 4: know one most stop Onemos stop and I'd pull up
Speaker 4: to my basketball camp that I knew what's going on
Speaker 4: at the gym, and so the kids would. I'll be
Speaker 4: d man. We were almost there, were almost there, and
Speaker 4: we walk in the gym. It's two hundred kids sitting
Speaker 4: down and I'll walk in with Sam Cassell, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And so then everybody's like, oh, and
Speaker 4: I've been say to some genus. I would trick guys
Speaker 4: to come into the East Side to speak. So that
Speaker 4: was right after the championship years man, and and and
Speaker 4: that's to this day. People remember those that same community
Speaker 4: voted for me to be on the school board for
Speaker 4: nine years, three of which I was board president. Same
Speaker 4: community vote for me to be the new Justice of
Speaker 4: the Piece for the last seven years. Just from little
Speaker 4: stuff like that, giving back, giving those kind of kids hope.
Speaker 4: You know, they had never a lot of kids had
Speaker 4: never been paying sixteen in the Buvewiser Man back where
Speaker 4: I stayed, you know, so for them to be able
Speaker 4: to touch, you know, champions like that back in the
Speaker 4: day was was priceless.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: One of your philosophies that you live by is if
Speaker 3: you reach for the moon, even if you miss, yep,
Speaker 3: you'll be among the stars. Yeah yeah, elaborate on that.
Speaker 4: Set your goals high. You want to be the next
Speaker 4: little Baby, you can do that. You want to be
Speaker 4: the next WILLI d You can do that. If you
Speaker 4: want to be an NBA basketball player, you can do that.
Speaker 4: If you want to be the president of the United States,
Speaker 4: male or female, you can do that. When you and
Speaker 4: our kids, teacher would say, man, you could be the
Speaker 4: president of the United States and we'll be back in
Speaker 4: classmen know you can't. He said that because we had
Speaker 4: never seen a black president. Well you can't say that now.
Speaker 4: So my thing is, if you want to be an
Speaker 4: LPGA professional, like my daughter wants to be a LPGA professional,
Speaker 4: maybe falling short is you earned a college Scholarship's pretty good.
Speaker 4: You know, you set your goals high. You didn't attain
Speaker 4: that goal, but you still were better off than you
Speaker 4: were if you didn't dream big.
Speaker 3: So dream big, man, Ah, you become a coach, two players,
Speaker 3: two a top tier player?
Speaker 4: Why not you?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 4: Why not you? I told Zoe Slaughter that Zoi's on
Speaker 4: the team with my daughter. Zoe played at University of Houston.
Speaker 4: She's now on the Texas and Women's golf team. She
Speaker 4: transferred from Houston to A and M. They came back
Speaker 4: three months ago. This is her junior year to play
Speaker 4: a tournament at Golf Club of Houston, where I'm a member,
Speaker 4: and I just text her, you know the golf course
Speaker 4: better than anybody. You played at U of h for
Speaker 4: for a year. Why not you. Somebody's got to win
Speaker 4: this turn? Why not you? Man? She went out and
Speaker 4: shot twenty under and won the tournament for a first
Speaker 4: college win, and gave me the biggest hug when she
Speaker 4: came off the eighteenth green that last day. Why not you?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? But I think sometimes especially
Speaker 4: as African Americans, we don't see ourselves in certain positions,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We you know somebody's always
Speaker 4: had that position in the neighborhood, and you just can't
Speaker 4: even see yourself in that position. I think that's what
Speaker 4: being this just of the piece has done for me
Speaker 4: on that side of town. It's given kids that might
Speaker 4: have been in front of a judge with uncle when
Speaker 4: he was in trouble or my mama when she went
Speaker 4: to jail or whatever. Now they come to court it
Speaker 4: like and the judge black, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, nah,
Speaker 4: this is a job opportunity. It's not just a place
Speaker 4: you come to get in trouble, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, yeah, shoot for the moon. Even if
Speaker 4: you miss, you can be among the stars.
Speaker 3: Well, thank god you are among the stars.
Speaker 4: Man. I'm here with you. Man, We really do.
Speaker 3: We appreciate all your contributions, especially to community because that's
Speaker 3: something that's dear to my heart. Man. When I know
Speaker 3: people that are involved in community work, they said something
Speaker 3: to it says something about that person, because that's the
Speaker 3: person that is putting others, who knows how to put
Speaker 3: others before themselves, And it's it's an unselfish person. And
Speaker 3: we live in a very selfish society. It's we live
Speaker 3: in a me me me society. And for people to
Speaker 3: take to take the time to to do for others,
Speaker 3: to loan themselves and their resources to better other people's lives. Man,
Speaker 3: that's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Appreciated brother, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. Joe Stevens, Judge Joe Stevens. Let me
Speaker 3: put some respect on his name.
Speaker 4: You know our man people, you know people into that nowadays. Man,
Speaker 4: it's always judged. I'm just Joe man. You know when
Speaker 4: I'm on the bench, I appreciate it, man, but it's
Speaker 4: it's all love, man. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Brother.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. Judge Joe Stevens. No motel appreciate.
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