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Speaker 3: Yeah, now deep throating.

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Speaker 2: This is for the streets, the real the railroading, the distenfranchise,

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Speaker 2: The North South East coaches, the ge be not for

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Speaker 2: Stopping and once to be drops head by and then

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Speaker 3: The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.

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Speaker 3: Don't get it twisted on coding. We danced it for

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Speaker 3: no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all reloaded with another

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Speaker 3: episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through

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Speaker 3: this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, just Joe

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Speaker 3: Stevens going on, brother, what's.

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Speaker 4: Thank you man?

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Speaker 3: It is so good to see your evolution. I've been

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Speaker 3: knowing you a couple of decades now, and you've all

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Speaker 3: always been a stand up progressive guy, always rooted in

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Speaker 4: Thank god, how do you do it well? Thank God?

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Speaker 4: There was no cell phones when we came up with

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Speaker 4: grace of God man, and good parents, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, I had. I had great upbringing.

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Speaker 4: I can't thank Joseph and Shiryl Stevens enough just for

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Speaker 4: what I mean? And uh and and really, man, I

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, you know you.

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Speaker 3: You went to North Shore, I did, now did you?

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Speaker 3: Were you born in Houston or Riverside?

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Speaker 4: I was born in Riversi, California. Moved out here when

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Speaker 4: I was like six, and but I tended to glean

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Speaker 3: And then became a board member for Cleena Park School District.

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Speaker 3: How cool is that?

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Speaker 4: Even? Man? Even I mean, if you know, if you

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Speaker 4: remember this, I was, I was heavy in the mortgage

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Speaker 4: and we was we've always kind of thought the same.

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Speaker 4: We was like, man, you know what, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to give my money the Red Cross. I want to

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Speaker 4: And me and you jumped into Chrysler hiding switches out

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Speaker 4: And I don't even know, looking back, I don't know

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Speaker 4: because you've always had a benevolent heart as well. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Man walk us through growing up. Do you even

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Speaker 3: remember any parts of Riverside, California? Yeah, well no, I

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Speaker 4: No that game banging My dad got me out of

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Speaker 4: which family members, but man, game bangers. Man. My cousins

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Speaker 4: I still go back and visit family, man, But it

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Speaker 4: I used to go back and hoop at Bobby Bonds Park.

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Speaker 4: I remember Kawhi when Kawhi was coming up. He's a

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Speaker 4: My dad played for Jerry Tarcanan a Riverside Community college.

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Speaker 3: Your daughter is a pretty good athlete.

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Speaker 4: She does she does okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's world

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Speaker 4: She's Alan Stevens Golf, a l L y n S

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Speaker 4: t E p h e n S Golf, Alan Stevens

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Speaker 4: golf man. You see a bunch of pictures ride hip

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Speaker 4: She's she's a celebrity. Family man. I'm just I'm just dad.

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Speaker 3: you've always been rooted in family, like real strong. I'm

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Speaker 3: just something. I'm not just saying, oh this is my family.

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Speaker 3: I'm just doing what i gotta do. Nah, you're very

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Speaker 4: and and and when your when you when you when

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of what you know. I practiced that

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Speaker 4: I just have always been a guy. That's that's that's

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Speaker 4: Joe kind of made me doing good? Man, Joe doing

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Speaker 3: And don't even have a track no track record, and.

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Speaker 4: What's better than one being there too? Especially see from

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of live by that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you said a mouthful when you said I want

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Speaker 3: I have the exact same philosophy when it comes to friends.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to relationships, I look at it like

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Speaker 3: Like I don't. I don't even I don't even believe

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Speaker 3: just oh, there's nothing that you can get from being,

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Speaker 4: And it's gonna come back. Man, It's gonna come back,

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Speaker 4: and it may. You know, you and I've never really

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, because you planning in fertile soil. And sometimes

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Speaker 3: Nah.

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Speaker 4: Man, if everybody in your circle is solid and you

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Speaker 3: They got that money, got money. And I tell people

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Speaker 4: Really can't say the whole you know, then you then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you play for the Rockets, Okay, this is where

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, you came in after the rockets one.

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Speaker 4: Or twenty four. I was ninety six, man, when Barkley

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Speaker 3: How was that, dude? How was it?

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Speaker 4: I was his rookie. Man, I was his rookie, so

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Speaker 4: He says some of the most outlandish shock value stuff

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Speaker 3: But what I'm what I'm what I'm trying to get

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: When Charles throws his people under the bus regularly, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah collectively, I think some of that, man is, sometimes

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you my thoughts or what I thank

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you just I'm telling you this dude has

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Speaker 3: drinking the kool Aid. He's he's drink the kool Aid.

436
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 3: I don't agree with a lot of his dress. He's

437
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 3: he's drink the kool Aid, and drink the kool Aid,

438
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: and he uh goes out and he's saying the things

439
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Speaker 3: that these networks, just like stephen A and what's her name?

440
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Speaker 3: Cannis Ones and the one before her.

441
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Speaker 4: What's the other dash the girl yet did before.

442
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Speaker 3: Her, they are basically parroting.

443
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Speaker 4: It doesn't help.

444
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Speaker 3: What the networks tell them. What these guys are saying.

445
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Speaker 3: They say the things that the network executives can't say

446
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Speaker 3: in public, but you know they saying.

447
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Speaker 4: It in from on behalf of those guy, Yeah, we

448
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 4: know what it is. Man. But to your question, man,

449
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: as as a as a member of that team. The

450
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Speaker 4: guy was was a good dude in terms of as

451
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Speaker 4: me for me as a rookie, he took care of

452
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Speaker 4: me as a rookie.

453
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess people can change for the worst, just

454
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Speaker 3: like they can change for the best. You change for

455
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Speaker 3: the best.

456
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Speaker 4: But even yeah, even even with his views then I

457
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Speaker 4: never agreed with something. I've been more pro us, you know,

458
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Speaker 4: for a long time, and you just you kind of

459
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 4: learned how to operate in certain arenas, and I don't.

460
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Speaker 4: I don't really judge people for their stances, you know.

461
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Speaker 4: And I you know, I'll be the first to say

462
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Speaker 4: that I'm I advocate for African Americans every chance I get,

463
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Speaker 4: because I realized that we need equity. I realized that

464
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Speaker 4: we've been underserved, undervalued, overlooked for far too long. And

465
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Speaker 4: I would hope that if I ever get the kind

466
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Speaker 4: of money those guys have, I'll keep that same stance.

467
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Speaker 4: But I've been in the rooms with Jordan, I've been

468
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 4: in the room with Barkley, and unfortunately, sometimes fame can

469
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Speaker 4: make you lose sight of the plight of black folks,

470
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I just hope that

471
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Speaker 4: guys like those guys and have big voices. But he

472
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Speaker 4: told you a long time ago, we win the role model,

473
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like like you know, so

474
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Speaker 4: you know it's unfortunate that that all of us don't

475
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Speaker 4: advocate for us the way we should with the platforms

476
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Speaker 4: we have.

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Speaker 3: Well, the truth of the matter is all of us

478
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Speaker 3: are role models. Uh good or bad with role models?

479
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Speaker 3: We either good role model or with bad room, no question,

480
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Speaker 3: all of us a role model.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gottle boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after

482
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Speaker 1: the break.

483
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Speaker 3: When you went undrafted after playing your in college? Yeah yeah, yeah,

484
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Speaker 3: how did that make you feel?

485
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: It was crazy man, because I was roommates with Derek Fisher.

486
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 4: I was teammates with Derek Fisher in college, and Derek

487
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Speaker 4: Man I had a good senior year, was bawling sacrifice

488
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Speaker 4: for the team. Wimp Sanderson was my college coach, so

489
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Speaker 4: Wimp coached me at Alabama. He coached Latrell Spreewell, Robert Rory,

490
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Speaker 4: James Hollywood, Robinson, James Caffey. Wimp probably had fifteen guys

491
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Speaker 4: in the league under his tutelage under his under his

492
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Speaker 4: from from Alabama at the from when he left Alabama

493
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Speaker 4: and came to coach my school at Little Rock Spree

494
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Speaker 4: Well and orient them. Guys was already in the league

495
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Speaker 4: when he was coaching me, so he had an umbrella

496
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Speaker 4: of guys that he you know, you know, if you

497
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Speaker 4: play for WIMP, you gonna have a good chance to

498
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Speaker 4: make to the league. So when the season was over,

499
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Speaker 4: we we won the Sunbelt Conference, we almost made ANSTAA Tournament,

500
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Speaker 4: lost first round n I T and the pre pro

501
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Speaker 4: season camp started having in Chicago Portsmith, all those camps,

502
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Speaker 4: and I'm not getting invited to nothing. I don't have

503
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Speaker 4: an agent, nothing, and I'm looking at the coaches like, damn, man,

504
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Speaker 4: what you know what about me? And man, I came

505
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Speaker 4: home and uh, you know, back then we had two newspapers,

506
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: the Houston Chronicle in the Houston Posts. I'm dating myself

507
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 4: now and my dad is reading the Houston Post and

508
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Speaker 4: he said, Jojo, they got an open tryout at HBU.

509
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Speaker 4: You should go over there and try to see if

510
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Speaker 4: you can get in the drills. But I wasn't invited.

511
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Speaker 4: I just so happened to be going to sugar Land

512
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Speaker 4: that day to work out past HBU on fifty nine

513
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Speaker 4: and my boy pulled over and knock on the door.

514
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Speaker 4: And guy remember me from high school, like Joe Still.

515
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Speaker 4: He's like, I remember, Yeah, what have you been doing?

516
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: I played a little rock day, said man, jumping the

517
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Speaker 4: drills just like that, jumping the drills. And I was

518
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Speaker 4: already dressed cause I was going to work out in

519
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Speaker 4: sugar Land.

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Speaker 3: Pause for a moment. You said, your boy pulled up,

521
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Speaker 3: pulled up and sit and knocked on the door.

522
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Speaker 4: I at HBU at the gym. He got off fifty Dwayne,

523
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Speaker 4: you know, Dwayne tallcat is with me all the time.

524
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Speaker 4: He jumps off fifty nine and pulls up to the

525
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Speaker 4: gym in HBU. The doors to the gym are locked.

526
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Speaker 4: I know where the gym is cause I played Smmer

527
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Speaker 4: League in HBU. Right, dude, who's now he's Dennis Lindsay

528
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 4: who's now a general manager in NBA. He was a

529
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Speaker 4: film guy in for the Rockets. He opens the door

530
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Speaker 4: and he played at Baylor, played basketball. He's like, you know,

531
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Speaker 4: I say, I want to I'm dressed to play basketball,

532
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 4: and he kind of look. I'm tall, you know, six seventy.

533
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Speaker 4: He's like, I say, I'm Joe Stevens. I want to

534
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 4: see if I can get in these drills. And I'm

535
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Speaker 4: looking through the crack of the door and I see

536
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Speaker 4: O Teller harringson, Matt Maloney, all these guys playing basketball.

537
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Speaker 4: This is a rial. This is a true story. I

538
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Speaker 4: feel like I'm lying telling it, he said, jumping the drills,

539
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 4: Tracy Ware. So I jump into drills, man, and two

540
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: hours later, I'm knocking down threes, I'm dunking on cats.

541
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Speaker 4: I'm doing what I do. I'm in shape, I'm ready,

542
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: and man, I'm I'm bending over And just like everybody

543
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: else in college, I drove down from Little Rock to

544
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Speaker 4: party on Richmond when they won the ninety four ninety

545
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Speaker 4: five back to back championships. I'm bending over time my

546
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Speaker 4: shoe in four sneakers walk up and I look up

547
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 4: and it's Rudy, Tom Johanovich and Carol Dawson look at

548
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 4: me dead in my eyes, and they say, how would

549
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: you like to be a Houston Rocket? And I'm not

550
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: bullshitting seriously, man, I'm not Bush. What do you think

551
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: about all the guys. I wasn't even invited to this ship, man.

552
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: All the guys in the gym that you know came

553
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: from other schools. Someone was drafted or whatnot, and and

554
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: I left the gym. And the next day I'm in

555
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 4: the gym with Clyde Drexlan dream working out at west

556
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 4: Side Tennis Club with some Houston Rockets gear on. And

557
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: the three hours before that, I was in my kitchen

558
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 4: table and my old man was like, Man, you should

559
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: try to like literally, I thought I was gonna go overseas.

560
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Speaker 3: So that's how it happened. Man's beautiful.

561
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Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, man, And I talked to Mad Hatter about that.

562
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 4: You may have a thing like this too. When I'm

563
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Speaker 4: talking to kids, I always tell kids no such thing

564
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: as luck. Right, People say, Man, you got lucky now,

565
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: you just had to have the luckily short na Man,

566
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: Preparation met opportunity, you know what I'm saying. I was

567
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: at the wire till midnight hoop working on my game home,

568
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 4: and I could have been drinking forties every day, smoking

569
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: weed and out of shape. I was prepared. Had he

570
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: told me. I told the story to Manhatter, and had

571
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Speaker 4: I said, Man, damn, that's crazy, cause I got a

572
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: story similar to that. Because I used to work at

573
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Speaker 4: ninety seventy nine and I was in the studio and

574
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 4: the MC the chick used to always come late. She partied.

575
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know who it was, and she

576
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: didn't showed to work one day and the producer was

577
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 4: tired of hers shit and he was like, had to

578
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: jump in. He said, from that day he's had a

579
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: syndicated radio show ever since, you know what I mean.

580
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: But his opportunity presented itself and he was prepared, you

581
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And that's a real life story

582
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: how I made it to the league, and that being

583
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: able to say I played for the Houston Rockets, man

584
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: is opened to this day. Oh he's a former Houston Rocket.

585
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 4: It opened so many doors that I probably wouldn't have

586
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: been able to get into had I not had that experience.

587
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: Went on to play for the Grizzlies. Really grew up

588
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: in Europe. Man. I went and played in France, Italy

589
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: and Spain. Made a bunch of money over there, you

590
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: know what, I considered a lot of money and kind

591
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: of grew up.

592
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: Man.

593
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: My game matured. I got an affinity for art work,

594
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: different cultures, you know what I mean. I wasn't a

595
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: typical American when I went over there. I would want

596
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: to submerge myself in your culture. I wanted to learn

597
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: your language, you know what I mean, And it was good.

598
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Man.

599
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: Basketball was a great vehicle for me that springboard me

600
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Speaker 4: kind of into what I'm doing now.

601
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Speaker 3: Yeah, stay ready so you ain't got to get so

602
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: you ain't got to get ready. Boys and girls, do

603
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: you understand what we're talking about here? Stay ready so

604
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: you ain't got to get ready.

605
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, because your opportunity will come at some point

606
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: in life, and you don't want to be one of

607
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: those people that look back and say, Damn, I wasn't ready.

608
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: I wasn't prepared. You know. I stopped working out a

609
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: week early because I got discouraged. You know. I always say, man,

610
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: your greatest triumphs are just on the other side of

611
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: something that's extremely hard, something that's extremely difficult. If you

612
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: can just persevere, you know, one more rep, one more week.

613
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, when you're gonna be like I was

614
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: about to quit. I was about about to be done,

615
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: and the ship just it happened, you know what I mean.

616
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: But you just got to be patient to keep persevering.

617
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: You know what I do. I psych myself out when

618
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm when I hit that wall you're talking about in

619
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: my mind. I'm like, oh, this is what yeah, I

620
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: prepared for and I'm just I just pushed hard at Well,

621
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: that's because I know, like you said that, that that that.

622
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Speaker 4: Opportunity is on us side. And that's and that's why

623
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: you're Willy D. That's why you're Willy D. That's why

624
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 4: you're king. That's why you are an alpha male. You

625
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 4: know what I mean and and and it's and it's

626
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 4: you will find these little things about us that are

627
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: the same in all alpha males and all people that

628
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: have ascended to a certain level in life. You know

629
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Speaker 4: what I mean. On the East Side, I'm I'm a

630
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: ghetto celebrity. I'm I'm really to be on the East side.

631
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: I'm a hood movie star over there. But you find

632
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: these traits in all of us. We can sit at

633
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: the table and bring brothers from all around the you

634
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: that have done well in life, and there's something about

635
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: us that's the same. And it's that little extra that

636
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: we're willing to do that other brothers won't do. With

637
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: no excuses. Man, with no excuses. I've been carrying I've

638
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: been carrying the wait for a long time for a

639
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: lot of people. And you just realize as a king

640
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: and as a dude. That's that's him. When you hearim,

641
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: you know when you him. I tell guys this all

642
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: the time. If you want to know, if you him,

643
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: will you know me? From basketball to mortgages, to insurance,

644
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 4: to school board to JP to now license attorney state

645
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: of Texas. I'm for the Maxis attorney thing out. I

646
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: promise you we'll be on a private plane in a

647
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: few months, going somewhere a couple of years, give me,

648
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: give me some time. But if you really him, you

649
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: can do it in different genres and still be successful.

650
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: You know, she'd get some guys many they'll hit the

651
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: Grand Slam first time up the bat. Whatever that career was,

652
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 4: that's NBA. I know so many guys that can't figure

653
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: it out. They can't figure out their next move. And

654
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: all it takes is the same motivation that you had

655
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: to make it in the NBA. You just got to

656
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: reapply yourself. Because if you was good enough to make

657
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: to the league, you was good enough to have plantinum albums.

658
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: You can take that same drive and have a one

659
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar podcast. It's just are you willing to

660
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: make the sacrifice and grind to be a king. It's simple.

661
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: Late Nights early More, I watched. I'm a fan of Lynn.

662
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: I follow a lot of guys and I follow LN,

663
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: I follow Can in Hollywood CV.

664
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: Man.

665
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of six guys that are grinding man

666
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: because I love to see brothers work man to achieve

667
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: what it is they're trying to get. Because there's a

668
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: lesson in that, man, and there's no hate. It's like

669
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: you can learn something from everybody. I don't care if

670
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: you're selling cars or selling turkey legs. I'm studying, you

671
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

672
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm the same way. But I mean, god, it's a trip.

673
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: How long we've been knowing each other and we never

674
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: really had the life conversation that we're having now. Yeah,

675
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: we've had little We've had a little conversation is about

676
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: certain little things or whatever.

677
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: Fun stuff.

678
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know topic.

679
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: But family too, though, I mean you you gotta, you gotta.

680
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: I believest kids. I'm proud of you, brother. Yeah, appreciate it.

681
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: That's the coolest. I mean, that's coolest shit. Like I

682
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: you know, for us, man, I feel like we are

683
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: most the sacrificial lambs for our family, right, Like we

684
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: got good lives.

685
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Man.

686
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: But my thing is, Man, I really want my kids

687
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: to have it better than I did, you know what

688
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: I mean? And if I got to die to day

689
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: to make that happen, that's that's that's my deal, man.

690
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: It's leaving that legacy because that comes with you. That's

691
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: that's how generational wealth is started. You know what I

692
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: mean by by by playing those seeds and and that's

693
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 4: what that's That's what I think you and I are

694
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: here for more so than anything, it's the shepherd the

695
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: next generation, so that people can look at us one

696
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: day and say, man, the world was a better place

697
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: because them cats came through. You know.

698
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: That's dope. Yeah, that's dope, because you know, I was

699
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: talking to somebody the other day about how it doesn't

700
00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: matter how well you live your life. Typically after a

701
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: few generations, your lineags don't even know who you are. Yeah,

702
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: people in your lineage, they don't even know who you are,

703
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: Like most people don't know don't know past their like

704
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: great grandparents. Yeah right, they don't know who. And I

705
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: don't want that. I'm like, no, y'all gonna know because

706
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: I got things I'm putting you.

707
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 4: For sure. This landever, Yeah, this land, this property. Y'all

708
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: came on this lake when y'all used to fish all

709
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: these years. Grandpa will put that in place. You put

710
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 4: me on the spot, man, I know this your podcast.

711
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put you on the spot, man, because you

712
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: and I went through some pain together with a mutual

713
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: friend with face man with with the whole Grammy thing.

714
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: And I called you before you called me right after

715
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: the thing happened, Man, because I knew my brother was hurt.

716
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: I knew you was hurt, man, and I watched the podcast.

717
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: I Hate Face ain't here today, So I hope at

718
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: some level, man, y'all can mend fences. But that's an

719
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 4: example of when you should look out for your brother,

720
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

721
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: When you.

722
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: Have the opportunity to be a door opener and a waymaker,

723
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: you have to have the perceptiveness. You have to be

724
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: perceptive enough to know this is a lifetime, once in

725
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: a lifetime opportunity that we can't get this moment in

726
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 4: time back. This is fifty years of hip hop. You know,

727
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: you talk to guys around the city about what happened,

728
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: you know, catching O when you and our coop, I

729
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: don't have Cats dime in the barbershop. Man Face should

730
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: have done this. Now, Face was right, Doc, I'm just

731
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: any black man that's out there. If you have a

732
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: chance to uplift a brother, your brother that you've come

733
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: up with, it's just certain shit. You just can't be like,

734
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go do this by myself. So man, I

735
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: know if I saw the podcast, and I know Face

736
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: was kind of like like he couldn't. He was kind

737
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: of deflecting and doing a bunch of other ship like

738
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: he couldn't really understand why, you know, you were so

739
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: hurt about it. But but it was simple, dude, because

740
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: one not even that it was a ghetto boy song.

741
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: It's the fact that we're trying to get a bag together.

742
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: And in all the years of the Grammys, we've never

743
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to be on that stage, the biggest

744
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: stage in music where they perpetuate whiteness, And for this

745
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: thirteen minutes or whatever the hell it was, we had

746
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: a chance. If I even if you didn't rap, if.

747
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been on that stage, if I wouldn'trap,

748
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: I ain't no goddamn hype man. But I just I

749
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: ain't goddamn hYP I know I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I

750
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: wouldn't have I wouldn't have done.

751
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, man, I know, but I just, man,

752
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: that that hurt me.

753
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: Bro.

754
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: I just man, and it really hurts me that that

755
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: to see. I don't know, man, I just I'm always

756
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: hoping that because y'all, I'm fan. I'm still a fan.

757
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: I'm still a fan. I grew up man at make

758
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 4: A Jamaica, sitting in the corner watching brothers past beats

759
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: around the club. You know what I'm saying, idolizing the

760
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: ghetto boys. Man, all y'all have done for this city. Man,

761
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: So salute to both of y'all kings. And I hope

762
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: that someday, man, you guys can break the bank together.

763
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: Man.

764
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: That's that's my honest to God prayer for y'all. And

765
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: when you get if you get the plane before I do,

766
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: make sure I got to see it out.

767
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: You know, you're always well.

768
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: Gettle boys.

769
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: Reloaded podcasts will be right back after this break.

770
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: I want to talk about John Morat. Yeah, as someone

771
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: who's been in the league. In the NBA is a

772
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: different level. I don't think people have Most people don't

773
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: have any idea how rock starsh.

774
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable even more now it is, you.

775
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: Know, like like it's a different east. John Murrat being

776
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: a young player who has gained a lot of success

777
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: really really fast. I mean, his rise has been meteoric.

778
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: What kind of advice would you give to that guy

779
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: to like pump those breaks, man, and you know, like

780
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: get off the gas, just really just get off the gas.

781
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: Man.

782
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: You go from a college kid to now being the

783
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: bread one. You really go from being a child to

784
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: being your parents parent. Right a quarter of a billion dollars.

785
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: If you gave that to me and you right now,

786
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: we may lose it for a couple of weeks, you

787
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: know what I mean? I would just say, man, the

788
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: blueprint is out there. You got guys like Jay everybody

789
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: needs og We all need an og. Find you a

790
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: OG man. If I was in that arena, do my

791
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: damnits to get in touch with Jay Z or somebody

792
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: of that mold too? Man, How did you do it?

793
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 4: How did you? Because Jay Donet flipped the bag I

794
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 4: don't know how many times and even fifty manute, it's

795
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 4: a lot of guys and I'm not not just entertaining

796
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: even business guys like I would do the same thing.

797
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 4: I tell kids that do now, find somebody in your field,

798
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: or find somebody that you respect and admire, and ask

799
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: them for the blueprint.

800
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: You know, what I think happens a lot is exactly

801
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: what you alluded to. Like, we don't ask for the blueprint.

802
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: Like when I was getting money early on, I just

803
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: like this my money. Yeah, I'm spend it like a

804
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: one too. Yeah, I'm not talking to the other man

805
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: about what kind of house or what I should be

806
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: paying for this marble to be installed or whatever whatever.

807
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: I just went and did it because it's with me,

808
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: and it's an ego thing. And this is why we

809
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: make so many mistakes. Women make mistakes too, But I

810
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: don't think women make as many mistakes as men do.

811
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: Because women will call the tribe. They will call every

812
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: one of their girlfriends, they'll call their homeboy, they'll call

813
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: anybody that they think that might give them some good advice. Now,

814
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 3: they might not use it. They can get all that information.

815
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: They still may not use it, but they are at

816
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: least going to make the inquiry. Men, on the other hand,

817
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: will just go off and just do whatever and not.

818
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 4: Pick up their easy twenty three twenty four.

819
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: I can't remember. He's down.

820
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: You got you got the KG, the Kevin Garnets, you

821
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: got the Alan Iverson.

822
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: The thing is they will help him, and they.

823
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 4: And actually, man, those guys should reach out to him.

824
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: If you if you you know, like like to me,

825
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: like Iverson, like you you have a responsibility. Man, we're

826
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: talking about being a door opener. That's another kind of

827
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: door that you can open as an og to call

828
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: joh But but at the same time, for John, he's

829
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: got the influence at this point, he could have Bill Gates,

830
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: Warren Buffett, Jay z Oprah, Tyler Pierce. He's got the influence.

831
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: You know, when you that guy when that when you him,

832
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: you could pick the phone up. Then I answered my

833
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: phone call. They may not answer your phone calls, but

834
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: they'll answer John's phone calls. So man, I just hope

835
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: that he would get some OJ's and some mentors around

836
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: him because the bag that he has. I'm so proud.

837
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: Let me just say this publicly. My little mentee just

838
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: got a bag. He just broke the bank with the NFL.

839
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts. I've known Jalen Hurts since he was two

840
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: years old. He just signed the largest contract, and it

841
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 4: shouts out to jail man, it shouts out to his

842
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: to his dad, to Big Todd, his mom. A great,

843
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: great family from the east Side. I told Todd the

844
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: other day. You know you got to say your house

845
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: to get on out of here. Right you're still on

846
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: the east Side. Now. You don't want about to come

847
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: kidnapp you for some ransom, you know what I'm saying.

848
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: But man, now, man, I'm so happy for that family.

849
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 4: They from channel of you next door to me and

850
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: or sure man and uh but even us, even me

851
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 4: and you. You gotta have wives, counsel man, you gotta

852
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: have somebody you can go to because I don't know

853
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: what all you you call me by development. Sometimes I'm

854
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 4: gonna give you a blueprint.

855
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: But you know, but you know why the guys who's

856
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: made it dunk I can eat. I can just tell

857
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: you from my stand. Yeah. Sometimes after you, when you

858
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: get to a certain level in life where you become

859
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: you get shot patience for bullshit for sure. And if

860
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: you think a person's gonna be hard headed, they may

861
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: not listen me. You may not want to, You may

862
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: not want to reach out, you know, because you think

863
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: that person probably is not going to be receptive.

864
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a young knucklehead, right, he's a good but

865
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 4: he's a good kid. I don't get that from John.

866
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 4: I don't get that. I don't get that from He

867
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: really strikes me as a kid that would listen. I

868
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: was at the Rockets game, sitting in rusty, hardened seats

869
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: and Tim Morant was behind him, and Mary was me

870
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: and Mary Ellie was sitting together. Chopped it up with

871
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 4: Tim Morant. Good dude, man, he's a dude. You and

872
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: I would kick you know, we would hang out with

873
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 4: good dude. I just think, man, you can't even imagine lambos, cars, females,

874
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: the life, private playing. I mean, it's just a lot

875
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: for a young kid. Man, it's a lot. It's a lot.

876
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: And honestly, he hadn't killed anybody. He hadn't you look, man,

877
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: he had a little little pistol on him in the

878
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: strip club. You saw the pictures he was in there

879
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 4: by hisself with He hadn't done a whole lot wrong

880
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: that I've seen the way we're talking about him as

881
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: if he's really done something nefarious and broken the law

882
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: or something. John Morant was in the strip club with

883
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: a gun, by himself. He's a worth a quarter of

884
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 4: billion dollars. Second, a member applies to us too, right,

885
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: So what is he done that's so bad? Now, We've

886
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 4: had some guys make some serious mistakes, like Rugs. The

887
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: kid from Alabama with that killed a person in Vegas

888
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: with the car. You know what I mean. That's a

889
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: Fortunately the mistake job made. He can come back from

890
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: and he and he will come back from. And I

891
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 4: just hope you you said, what advice would I give him?

892
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: Get an OG, A couple of them, you know, and

893
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: seek wise counsel who was jog. Myog was Sam came

894
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: at God rest his soul. He was my mortgage og.

895
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: Uh my insurance og was a guy named Jody h

896
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 4: and another cat named hal Iu. In San Diego, I

897
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: was president's counsel man. I've always so my, you know,

898
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: to say that I've been successful through different genres. I

899
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 4: mentioned that earlier. It wasn't because of me, you know,

900
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: it was just because I was humble enough to ask

901
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 4: people that knew more than me. And uh wise, dude,

902
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 4: Sam told me a long time ago, he said, it's

903
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: better to be a thief than an innovator. And what

904
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: that meant was, don't go out here and try to

905
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: figure this shit out on your own. It's somebody that's

906
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 4: already done it, so so why why not just do

907
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: what they did and put your own little twist on it.

908
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: And that's what I did. That's that, That's what I did.

909
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: Is that don't try to reinvent the wheel.

910
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: I'm trying to re invent the wheel. Yeah, better be

911
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: a thief than innovator, you know. So Sam was one

912
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 4: hal and Jody was my my insurance guys. Uh NBA

913
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 4: was was Marrio and Clyde still my guys to this day.

914
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: I called I affectionately refer to both of them guys

915
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: as unc you know what I'm saying. I called Mary

916
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: to day. Uh and when he's unk, he's always unk.

917
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: Man them Cancer was they they were regal gentlemen back then.

918
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: Took me under their wing. You know, both of my husbands,

919
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 4: both of them my fathers. You know, they they both

920
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: hosted my first fundraiser for me with Moses Malone when

921
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: I decided to run for this seat. So, man, I've

922
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: I've had some uh some wives counsel in my life,

923
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: and and and and luckily didn't have a bunch of

924
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: yes men as friends.

925
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw Marryo at your fiftieth. Yeah, it was

926
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: good to see him. I hadn't seen Mary years.

927
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: He's good, man, he's good. I'm lobbyingnam man. I'm trying

928
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: to really, every time I get somebody, I'm trying to. Man.

929
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: Sam Casell needs to be the next Rockets coach. Bring

930
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: Sam back man, Bring Sam back man. We need we

931
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: need a connection from the championship years to these young

932
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: kids we got now. And I'm not even look, man,

933
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: we got some talent, dude, we got Jalen Green, KP

934
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: three segun. They got taate. They just don't have to

935
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: play basketball. They play one hundred miles an hour. I

936
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 4: remember Clyde pulling me to the side my first practice, like,

937
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: young fella, you can hoop. Just slow down you're going

938
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: like you know, change your pace like I'm I had

939
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: one speed go you know what I'm saying. And these

940
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: Junkyard watch, I'm like, damn they good man, But they

941
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 4: needed You need some of the veteran OG's to come

942
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: back and teach these kids one how to sacrifice right.

943
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: None of them nowadays everybody gets so much money endorsements,

944
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 4: nobody wants to sacrifice for the greater good. But I

945
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: promise you man, like you know, like a Draymond Green

946
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: would never be a superstar. Worry not on another team,

947
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? But he made sacrifice and everybody, man,

948
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: if you accomplished the goal of winning championship, everybody gonna

949
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: get a bag, you know what I mean. That's why

950
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 4: Jalen got paid. They made it to the super Bowl,

951
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Just but but they need

952
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: some veterans over there to kind of teach him how

953
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 4: to play basketball and how to win.

954
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: Speaking of Draymond Green, I know you open it up.

955
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: You know, I was coming with what do you think

956
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 3: about j Draymond stumping on dude's chest?

957
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: I loved it. I absolutely loved it. It's something deep

958
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 4: down I mean, but but I think one of the

959
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: dude grab his foot. Let's be clear, you don't have

960
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: to you grab my foot, and you know how you

961
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: jump up in the air. Now, he kind of the

962
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: stump was It wasn't as bad as it looked. Man,

963
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 4: I don't think he should be suspended a game. He's

964
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: a guy that's a victim of his own wrongdoers. In

965
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: the past, which I hate. I hope. I wish they'd

966
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: overturned him throwing him out of this game, and that

967
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: I think it's a total bs. You know what I'm saying.

968
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't think it was that bad. He

969
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: had a European player on the ground, He's rolling around

970
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 4: like somebody almost stump stumps his shit. Yeah it was.

971
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: He kind of acted a little bit, you know, when

972
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 4: somebody grabbing your foot and you're trying to get loose

973
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 4: and you where was he? Where was he gonna land?

974
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: I didn't see. I didn't think I've done that before.

975
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was so bad. I really didn't.

976
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: To the average fan watching it, if that would have

977
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 4: been Klay Thompson doing that, he'd be playing tonight. And

978
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: that's what I don't like about that decision. Had it

979
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: been anybody but Draymond. Now Draymond. Look, I'm not a

980
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: Draymond sympathizer. He's done a lot of dumb shit. But

981
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: the other night, that wouldn't. That wasn't something I really

982
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: if you look at a game before that, him and

983
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: the same guy got tangled up and they was kind

984
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: of on the ground doing what Barclay and Karl Malone

985
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: did at time to knock each other down. They rolling

986
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 4: around on the ground, not letting each other get up.

987
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: That was kind of an extension of that, and I

988
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: wish the NBA was more kind of judicial when they

989
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 4: looked at the totality of that circumstance.

990
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people are saying that Draymond

991
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: could have like really injured dude. But dude could have

992
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: really injured Draymond. I mean, I mean, you're messing with

993
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: my money. Man, that's my ankle.

994
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: You hold that whole. I'm trying, and I'm trying. I'm

995
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 4: standing up, trying to run, and I'm trying to get

996
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: my footloose, and you jump up in the air trying

997
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: to get your foot loose. Watch it, man, I watched

998
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: it a couple of times. Where was he gonna land?

999
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, but it's Draymond so so

1000
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: because he has his reputation, the diffuses a little bit shorter,

1001
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 4: you know, for lack of better analogy, The least is

1002
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: a little bit shorter with him, and he's a victim

1003
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: of his own passing discretions.

1004
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: You know, Draymond is necessary though, you know, I know

1005
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: he has I know he has this indiscretions and all this,

1006
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, But Raymond, you need a dog that the

1007
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 3: team needs at that team's v max exist that team.

1008
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 3: That's who I think about every time.

1009
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 4: I've never been on a winning team that didn't have

1010
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: one or two dudes that can have to be bailed

1011
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: out the next morning, right from I've won championships overseas,

1012
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 4: you know, Western Conference finals with the Rockets, championships in college.

1013
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: Every good team I've been on had at least one

1014
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: dude that's a live wire that you don't you don't

1015
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 4: even want to go out with him because you don't

1016
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: know if you're gonna have a great night or end

1017
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 4: up in jail. You know, we don't know we come

1018
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 4: home with a bunch of girls or go end up

1019
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: in a sales somewhere. But every team, you got to

1020
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: have a dog. And you know that's just just a

1021
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: loose cannon, you know. But a team full of nice

1022
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: guys will never win it all. That's why the Jazz

1023
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 4: never won it all. You know, back with Karl Malone

1024
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 4: and you just got too many nice guys you had.

1025
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: You needed a thug on that team, you know.

1026
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, jazz. Let's see who did they have. I mean,

1027
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: Karl Malone was.

1028
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 4: By it, yes, Shannon Anderson, Brian Russell, uh Halet was

1029
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 4: not havle a check HORNI seck thorough ball. I was

1030
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 4: on that team for I was on that team, uh

1031
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 4: for for two months right after the lockout, I think

1032
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 4: two thousand and they picked me up for a couple

1033
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 4: of weeks and I had a little short cup of

1034
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: team with the with the Jazz, but a bunch of

1035
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 4: nice guys. No fights in practice. That's some probably one

1036
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 4: of only training camps I've ever been through where there

1037
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 4: was no fights. I'm like, ain't, don't nobody fight? I

1038
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 4: never forget we got we got traded. I shouldn't o'deller

1039
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 4: gonna be mad at me. I got traded up to Vancouver.

1040
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 4: Uh well, I was. I was actually picked up by

1041
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: a free agent. But o'thella Mike Dickerson. We all went

1042
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 4: to play with Mike Bibbie, Sharife, Abdulraheem big country up

1043
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: in Vancouver. I played there in not two thousand. I

1044
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: think it's one of my second practices. And if you

1045
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 4: know Michael Dickinson, Mike d was real quiet, super quiet, dude,

1046
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: but Mike boxed. Mike boxed and him and o'feller got

1047
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: into it. It was a two piece with a biscuit.

1048
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: That happened so quick, and man and o'thella. If you know, othello,

1049
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: o'della's quiet too, So it was too quiet. O'thella for

1050
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 4: thirty minutes is running around the ship trying to get

1051
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: to Mike d coaches trying to break them up. But

1052
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: who nobody. It was just a two telling again. He

1053
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 4: didn't get dropped, but he it was, he was, he was.

1054
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: He was stunned a little bit. It was quick, it was,

1055
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 4: it was solid. It was o'della. I'm sorry, brother, it

1056
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: was it was. It was a nice little It was

1057
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 4: a quick combo too. It was quick. It was quick,

1058
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: and oh, we're trying to hold old back for thirty minutes.

1059
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: So the coaches, I'm the I'm the common denominator between

1060
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 4: all these guys. We all came from Houston. Uh, Stevens,

1061
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: was there a problem before the trade? Those guys and

1062
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: I said that this has never happened like they never did.

1063
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: We were all we going to go to dinner together

1064
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: just but they didn't have a culture of win and

1065
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: actually man, we had won the most games in the

1066
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: history that franchised through this before Memphis, this went. They

1067
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 4: were up in Vancouver, through the history of through January.

1068
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 4: We won the most games. But you needed some dogs, man,

1069
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 4: you needed some guys that may fight, you know what

1070
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's what we had. That's what we had.

1071
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 3: You said that o'feller spend thirty minutes running around the gym.

1072
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: Trying to get Mike, trying to get that mike, trying

1073
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: to get a mic. But why did he get that

1074
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: mic when he got two pieces? Oh he tried, He tried,

1075
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. You right, guys jumped in Yeah, yeah.

1076
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: Guys cannot jump in faster.

1077
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 4: Well, you box, if you hit somebody, they kind of

1078
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 4: they kind of stumbled a little bit. It's gonna yeah,

1079
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 4: d Dan, okay right here now, not where where the guy?

1080
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 4: Not if I catch you solid, which which brings me

1081
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 4: to your boxing career back when we've been Halphines for

1082
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 4: here back in the day. That's another Willie d Joe

1083
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: Stevens story back in the day. And remember we had

1084
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: an entourage in Hali chem from you that day. You

1085
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: drug dude too. I don't even know his name. There

1086
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: you find some tomato can back in the day.

1087
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: Oh man, what was that doe named John something?

1088
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: Will you had some hands?

1089
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: Though?

1090
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 4: I know boxing. I watched boxing for a long time.

1091
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 4: WILLI d does have hands. We used to call him

1092
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: Willi Hans Yeah, man, yeah, man.

1093
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: Did you ever get into a fight while.

1094
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: All the time my first practice with Charles bark I

1095
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 4: stole on Charles Barkley. I stole him in the cheating. Yes,

1096
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 4: I didn't drop him. I didn't drop him. I was

1097
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 4: in Galveston. We used to play a training camping gage.

1098
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: You just said Chus Buckle was a good guy?

1099
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 4: Not he when he closed line me and you had

1100
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 4: and so man, that's the so we in Galveston and

1101
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: I go up for a layup and he snatches me

1102
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 4: out of the air, and and he starts, you know,

1103
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 4: everybody jumps saying what you know in the big commotion,

1104
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: and he starts laughing. You're my rookie. From that point on,

1105
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: I was just rookie for the rest of the season,

1106
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 4: you know, because I and I when I did it,

1107
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: I'm thinking I was ship. I'm finna get cut down

1108
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 4: to get cut first practice, I'm gone, and I probably

1109
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: made the team because of that, you know, honestly, just

1110
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: because they knew I was. I didn't give a ship man.

1111
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 4: You know, the one thing you want, you're gonna respect me,

1112
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 4: you know, job aside.

1113
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: You know, man, how did you learn to give a

1114
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: shit about community?

1115
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: Man?

1116
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: Because you know, when it comes to youth advocacy and mentorship,

1117
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 3: it's second or nine. I mean you're really you're really

1118
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 3: in in deep.

1119
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's it's just innate, dude. I really feel

1120
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 4: like I was put here to help people. I feel

1121
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 4: like that's my calling. It's something I was born with

1122
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 4: and it's nothing I've learned to do, even in college.

1123
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: I did it in college, like I I student taught

1124
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 4: Little Rock Central High School where they had the big

1125
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: civil rights where the picture of Jerry Jones. They thought

1126
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 4: I student taught at that high school because I graduated

1127
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: college at semester early. So in order to get credits

1128
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 4: so I can continue to play basketball, I did a

1129
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 4: student teaching program and got my teacher certification in Little Rock.

1130
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: How much are that Jerry Jones was left over?

1131
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: When?

1132
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: Oh no, it was it was black black, it was

1133
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 4: it was it was an African American school. When I

1134
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: was there, it was the hood. It's the little the

1135
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 4: little right Central is rough now, you know. But yeah,

1136
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 4: I mean I just even then, I always went and

1137
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 4: spoke to kids, even at University Colorado, just as the

1138
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 4: and it wasn't something the team made me do. Like

1139
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 4: I liked would meet teachers and they knew I was

1140
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: on the basketball team, so I would go out and

1141
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 4: speak to kids, and and just I just saw that

1142
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: you could impact a kid. And I saw myself going

1143
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: to a Clyde Drexler basketball camp as a sophomore in

1144
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: high school and then ended up playing with Clyde Drexler,

1145
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I realized that, man,

1146
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: if you plan a seed, you never know what can

1147
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 4: come from that. So I just meant, you know, I've

1148
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 4: always had that inemy to do that.

1149
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1150
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: I was in middle school and Robert.

1151
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 4: Robert Ree, Robbery, Robbie Joe Reid, he was my he

1152
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: was that was my that was another OGM mine. He's

1153
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: still in one of my mentors.

1154
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 3: ROBBERI Reed came to my middle school and spoke to

1155
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 3: us in the cafeteria. We didn't have an auditorium, so

1156
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: the cafeteria doubled as an auditory. So Robert Ree walks

1157
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 3: in and people go crazy.

1158
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 4: Just I don't know why, because he had that Jerry

1159
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: Curl back, and back then Billy d Williams was real popular.

1160
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 4: So Bobbie Joe Ree was the Billy d Williams Houston.

1161
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: He may have. He may have been because those with

1162
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: those girls. Now Bobbie, the girls was going crazy. But

1163
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: even the guys were just really just rooting for him,

1164
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: you know, because it's.

1165
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 4: The Rockets God to Larry bird. He was the guy

1166
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 4: guard Larry Bird back.

1167
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: He had those those knee high socks. Robbert robber Ree

1168
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: was was the man. She came in and and and

1169
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: the place just erupted right, And I remember just being

1170
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: in Ah. I wasn't cheering, I wasn't going I was

1171
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: just standing at Typically me and my boy, when we

1172
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: have somebody to come to talk to us, we would

1173
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: act the damn food. She'll be on one side of

1174
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: the auditorium or whatever on the other side and he'll say,

1175
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: what's the word. I'll be like doing to bad. What's

1176
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: the price a dollar?

1177
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: Twice?

1178
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: You know, we're just at a fool. That'd be our

1179
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: time to ack of food.

1180
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 4: But when Robert Reed came, I listened.

1181
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, and it did something to me,

1182
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: like to see him get that type of praise, And

1183
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:41,959
Speaker 3: do you know I was, I was fourteen at the time.

1184
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: About ten years later, I was speaking to the kids.

1185
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: I walked into that same cafeteria and received that same

1186
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I had no idea that that could happen

1187
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: to me. I had no idea that I could be

1188
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: worthy of something like that.

1189
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1190
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it was happening, yup, I it blew my mind.

1191
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: I was like when they asked me, they called me

1192
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: and asked me to come speak.

1193
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: And you did it. And he was right there where

1194
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: Robal he was. That's that's dage. I mean I had

1195
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: I used to do. I used to have basketball camps

1196
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: on the East Side. That's kind of what endeared that

1197
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: community to me. Post taking the first team to state

1198
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety one, we beat Million Yates and Harpin's

1199
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 4: and I was the started team consensus player of the

1200
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 4: Year in Houston, both newspapers, first team to ever go

1201
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 4: to state and we beat Yates and Milby like and

1202
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 4: back then, north Shore was no show is what they

1203
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: used to call us then you know and cause. But

1204
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 4: what happened was there was a migration of people from

1205
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 4: Fifth Ward whose p families would get jobs at the

1206
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 4: plant in Baytown. So in order to move on up

1207
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: in life, they would buy three two two's over on

1208
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: the east side when they were kind of ascending their

1209
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 4: way up to in life. So there was a lot

1210
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: of apps. Was three bedroom, two bedroom house h with

1211
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 4: two car garage, and so those kids' parents word. So

1212
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: now we had a lot of African Americans and we

1213
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 4: went to State and uh, after I made it for

1214
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 4: the Rockets, I said, I'm gonna do a basketball camp

1215
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 4: for kids on that side of town. And so I

1216
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 4: would play basketball at Fundy Recreation Center where everybody would

1217
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 4: be there, Penny Hardaway, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Robert or

1218
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 4: Latrell's everybody would come through Fundy and so I would

1219
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 4: be like, Yo, let's go to lunch man, get Robb

1220
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: or or get casselle I get Sam Cassell saying come right,

1221
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 4: let's go get some lunch. Man. I take them away

1222
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 4: to the east side to Benningas and we'd eat lunch.

1223
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: May come roll with your boy man, make God damn,

1224
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 4: I'm Joe. I'm trying ready to get back home. Man,

1225
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: take me back to the Southwest sidewest statement. Man, I

1226
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 4: know one most stop Onemos stop and I'd pull up

1227
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 4: to my basketball camp that I knew what's going on

1228
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 4: at the gym, and so the kids would. I'll be

1229
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 4: d man. We were almost there, were almost there, and

1230
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 4: we walk in the gym. It's two hundred kids sitting

1231
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: down and I'll walk in with Sam Cassell, you know

1232
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: what I mean. And so then everybody's like, oh, and

1233
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: I've been say to some genus. I would trick guys

1234
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 4: to come into the East Side to speak. So that

1235
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: was right after the championship years man, and and and

1236
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 4: that's to this day. People remember those that same community

1237
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: voted for me to be on the school board for

1238
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 4: nine years, three of which I was board president. Same

1239
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 4: community vote for me to be the new Justice of

1240
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 4: the Piece for the last seven years. Just from little

1241
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 4: stuff like that, giving back, giving those kind of kids hope.

1242
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 4: You know, they had never a lot of kids had

1243
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: never been paying sixteen in the Buvewiser Man back where

1244
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 4: I stayed, you know, so for them to be able

1245
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: to touch, you know, champions like that back in the

1246
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: day was was priceless.

1247
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 1: Man.

1248
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: One of your philosophies that you live by is if

1249
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: you reach for the moon, even if you miss, yep,

1250
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 3: you'll be among the stars. Yeah yeah, elaborate on that.

1251
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: Set your goals high. You want to be the next

1252
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: little Baby, you can do that. You want to be

1253
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 4: the next WILLI d You can do that. If you

1254
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 4: want to be an NBA basketball player, you can do that.

1255
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: If you want to be the president of the United States,

1256
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 4: male or female, you can do that. When you and

1257
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 4: our kids, teacher would say, man, you could be the

1258
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 4: president of the United States and we'll be back in

1259
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 4: classmen know you can't. He said that because we had

1260
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 4: never seen a black president. Well you can't say that now.

1261
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: So my thing is, if you want to be an

1262
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 4: LPGA professional, like my daughter wants to be a LPGA professional,

1263
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: maybe falling short is you earned a college Scholarship's pretty good.

1264
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 4: You know, you set your goals high. You didn't attain

1265
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 4: that goal, but you still were better off than you

1266
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 4: were if you didn't dream big.

1267
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: So dream big, man, Ah, you become a coach, two players,

1268
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 3: two a top tier player?

1269
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: Why not you?

1270
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: Why not?

1271
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 4: Why not you? I told Zoe Slaughter that Zoi's on

1272
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 4: the team with my daughter. Zoe played at University of Houston.

1273
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: She's now on the Texas and Women's golf team. She

1274
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 4: transferred from Houston to A and M. They came back

1275
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: three months ago. This is her junior year to play

1276
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: a tournament at Golf Club of Houston, where I'm a member,

1277
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 4: and I just text her, you know the golf course

1278
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 4: better than anybody. You played at U of h for

1279
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 4: for a year. Why not you. Somebody's got to win

1280
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Speaker 4: this turn? Why not you? Man? She went out and

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Speaker 4: shot twenty under and won the tournament for a first

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Speaker 4: college win, and gave me the biggest hug when she

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Speaker 4: came off the eighteenth green that last day. Why not you?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? But I think sometimes especially

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Speaker 4: as African Americans, we don't see ourselves in certain positions,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We you know somebody's always

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Speaker 4: had that position in the neighborhood, and you just can't

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Speaker 4: even see yourself in that position. I think that's what

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Speaker 4: being this just of the piece has done for me

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Speaker 4: on that side of town. It's given kids that might

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Speaker 4: have been in front of a judge with uncle when

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Speaker 4: he was in trouble or my mama when she went

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Speaker 4: to jail or whatever. Now they come to court it

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Speaker 4: like and the judge black, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, nah,

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Speaker 4: this is a job opportunity. It's not just a place

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Speaker 4: you come to get in trouble, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, man, yeah, shoot for the moon. Even if

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Speaker 4: you miss, you can be among the stars.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank god you are among the stars.

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Speaker 4: Man. I'm here with you. Man, We really do.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate all your contributions, especially to community because that's

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Speaker 3: something that's dear to my heart. Man. When I know

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Speaker 3: people that are involved in community work, they said something

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Speaker 3: to it says something about that person, because that's the

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Speaker 3: person that is putting others, who knows how to put

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Speaker 3: others before themselves, And it's it's an unselfish person. And

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Speaker 3: we live in a very selfish society. It's we live

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Speaker 3: in a me me me society. And for people to

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Speaker 3: take to take the time to to do for others,

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Speaker 3: to loan themselves and their resources to better other people's lives. Man,

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Speaker 3: that's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Appreciated brother, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. Joe Stevens, Judge Joe Stevens. Let me

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Speaker 3: put some respect on his name.

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Speaker 4: You know our man people, you know people into that nowadays. Man,

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Speaker 4: it's always judged. I'm just Joe man. You know when

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Speaker 4: I'm on the bench, I appreciate it, man, but it's

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Speaker 4: it's all love, man. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Brother.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. Judge Joe Stevens. No motel appreciate.

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by A King and brought to

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