Speaker 1: Hi everybody. Chuck here, I just.
Speaker 2: Realized I have almost cut my finger off while I
Speaker 2: was playing with a pocket knife just now, and it's
Speaker 2: bleeding quite a bit. So I'm gonna call nine one one,
Speaker 2: and in the meantime, I'm going to listen to this
Speaker 2: episode from April twelfth, twenty eighteen, how Paramedics Work.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank god.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with
Speaker 4: Charles W Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Jerome Roland and
Speaker 4: this is Stuff you Should Know The Emergency.
Speaker 1: Real Rear Rear.
Speaker 4: War er er aw.
Speaker 3: We should have a new podcast called Sirens Are the World. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just annoying show.
Speaker 4: Ever, it would be pretty annoying, but there'd be some
Speaker 4: subset of people who like just really despise themselves that
Speaker 4: it'd be popular.
Speaker 1: Among so we would love it.
Speaker 4: Uh, we don't hate ourselves, do we tell me? I
Speaker 4: need to know?
Speaker 1: No? Okay, So it depends on the day.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to hate myself.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I want to punch myself. Does that count?
Speaker 4: No? I know exactly what you mean. Man. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 4: just like I am so sick of myself? Is that
Speaker 4: is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: That was a good song. Remember that song? No sick
Speaker 1: of myself? No, that was Matthew Sweet.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, wow, that's weird that this is going on
Speaker 4: right now, because Matthew Sweet just popped up like randomly
Speaker 4: in the last couple of days, and like an article
Speaker 4: I was reading, I was like, I forgot about him,
Speaker 4: haven't heard about him in twenty years, and then bam,
Speaker 4: bottom mine hoff, here he is again.
Speaker 1: Well he's still around, he's in Atlantic. Guy.
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know that. Yeah, well that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know. I think I think that's like the way
Speaker 4: it goes. Just because you had one hit in the
Speaker 4: world came and like listened to you and then moved
Speaker 4: on doesn't mean like you're like, Okay, well I guess
Speaker 4: I'll go bury myself alive now in my own backyard.
Speaker 4: Usually usually the artist like keeps going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, he had two hits.
Speaker 4: Stuff, I know, girlfriend, and then the other one you're
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah girlfriend, that's a great song.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's a good song. Okay. So obviously what we're
Speaker 4: talking about today are paramedics, para medicine really is what
Speaker 4: we're talking about, yeah, which is it's actually a pretty
Speaker 4: interesting topic because you kind of look into it, You're like, oh,
Speaker 4: these people save lives. That's great. Here's some of the
Speaker 4: life saving techniques that they do. Fantastic, But there's like,
Speaker 4: actually so much more too. It's got a really interesting history,
Speaker 4: it's got a a a it's one of those things
Speaker 4: where it's way worse off than it should be as
Speaker 4: far as like funding and like logistics and stuff like
Speaker 4: that goes. I just find it interesting. It's it's interesting
Speaker 4: to kind of poke into a topic and then find that, oh,
Speaker 4: this is even more interesting than I thought, and have
Speaker 4: it poked back yep with forceps.
Speaker 3: So I guess we should say right off the bat
Speaker 3: that the word paramedic para means alongside, so alongside medicine,
Speaker 3: I guess, which I'm not quite sure what that means.
Speaker 4: So what I think it means is, as follows Charles,
Speaker 4: these people paramedics. They are not doctors, correct, but they
Speaker 4: work with and alongside and really honestly as an extension
Speaker 4: of a doctor. An So that's what I think it means,
Speaker 4: because it's not like what they're doing is a different
Speaker 4: type of wacky medicine. Like they're actually doing the same
Speaker 4: type of medicine that an er doctor, an er nurse
Speaker 4: would be doing in an er they're just doing it
Speaker 4: out in the field.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine how disconcerting it would be to be
Speaker 3: like on the ground and have a paramedic come up
Speaker 3: and like blow green dust in your face.
Speaker 4: You're like, what are the chicken bones for?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Oh man, blow green dusting. I don't know, it would
Speaker 4: depend on what the effect of the green dust was.
Speaker 4: It's true, so I think that's what paramedic means. Right, Okay,
Speaker 4: we can go we can go further back actually and
Speaker 4: describe what ambulance means. We know that one for certain.
Speaker 3: Yes, that came around in fifteenth century Spain during the Inquisition.
Speaker 3: They clearly had a lot of need for medical work yea.
Speaker 3: And they actually had field hospitals that were called ambulancius right.
Speaker 4: It was just basically like a mass unit out in
Speaker 4: the field. And then eventu the French shortly after, I
Speaker 4: think under Napoleon they innovated on the ambulance and said, well,
Speaker 4: that's great, that's neat that we have these things out
Speaker 4: in the field. But there's some guys way over there
Speaker 4: who are injured, and they probably wouldn't die if we
Speaker 4: could get them to these ambulances, these field hospitals, right, correct.
Speaker 4: So they came up with basically mobile ambulances, which is
Speaker 4: this idea of a flying or a moving ambulance, which
Speaker 4: is like a little medical facility that they would put
Speaker 4: the people into and move them away from battle to
Speaker 4: go patch them up, rather than waiting for the battle
Speaker 4: to end.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and before that, even during the Crusades, and they
Speaker 3: also had a great need for medical care, there were
Speaker 3: the Knights Hospitaller Hospital.
Speaker 4: Or I think Hospitalita.
Speaker 1: Oh whoa, is.
Speaker 4: There an extra I might be putting an extra bull
Speaker 4: in there. Well, that's a right I'm known to do.
Speaker 1: That's pastime time, Knight's Hospitaller.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna say of the Order of Saint
Speaker 3: John of Jerusalem. And they were the first kind of
Speaker 3: the first people to practice emergency medicine on the battlefield.
Speaker 1: And they even invented the what we.
Speaker 3: Now call the stretcher, although it's still called a litter
Speaker 3: in some circles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty intuitive thing, but it's it works.
Speaker 1: Someone had to think of it.
Speaker 4: A couple of sticks with some canvas stretch between them.
Speaker 4: Throw a person on there, you can pick them up.
Speaker 4: Two people can pick them up and get them off
Speaker 4: of the battlefield, lickety split.
Speaker 1: Hooray.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so this is the idea of emergency medicine
Speaker 4: grew basically exclusively out of warfare over the centuries.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but what's remarkable to me is that from
Speaker 3: that time I had the right idea, let's get these
Speaker 3: people out of here quickly. It took about one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty years all the way until the mid to
Speaker 3: late nineteen sixties until they said, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: if we actually put trained medical people in these things
Speaker 3: and weren't simply driving people to a hospital, we might
Speaker 3: have even more luck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the late sixties and then amazing it is.
Speaker 4: And at the time it was so a lot of
Speaker 4: medicine was practiced through house calls, right, including emergencies Like
Speaker 4: if there was an emergency and you could get a
Speaker 4: hold of a doctor, the doctor was expected to go
Speaker 4: out to that emergency and do what they could, but
Speaker 4: more often than not, either the cops or local morticians
Speaker 4: were tasked with basically was called like a scoop and
Speaker 4: scoop and run or scoop and carry, where you just
Speaker 4: basically get the person out of that car wreck or
Speaker 4: from the bottom of that ladder or whatever just happened
Speaker 4: to them, throw them in the back of a car,
Speaker 4: a cop or a hearse. I would looked it up.
Speaker 4: The ECDO one the Ghostbusters ambulance is a modified Cadillac Hearse.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so they would dress the sinking feeling. It
Speaker 3: really was for a mortician to show up in ahearse
Speaker 3: and be like, I'm gonna take you to the hospital.
Speaker 3: Depending on what happens, you may be back in the
Speaker 3: same car.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and talk about a conflict of interest, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 4: Hopefully not but yeah on paper, yeah right, Or they
Speaker 4: just you know, casually put their hand on the person's
Speaker 4: nose and mouth in the backseat. Dry. The thing is, though,
Speaker 4: is whether the mortician or the cops were getting you
Speaker 4: to the hospital. Even when you got to the hospital.
Speaker 4: It's not like there was such a thing as an
Speaker 4: er room. E Ers didn't come about really until like
Speaker 4: the mid seventies, where you could find them in fair
Speaker 4: abundance around the United states like ers just didn't exist.
Speaker 4: It was here you go, doc. I know you delivered
Speaker 4: a baby and you treated somebody else for angina, but
Speaker 4: now you've got to put this person's head back together.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And it was all just medicine at the time.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the idea of getting somebody to a hospital
Speaker 4: and having a medical person, a professional in the car
Speaker 4: that's transporting them. It came out of Ireland, I think, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big shout out nineteen sixty seven to doctor J.
Speaker 3: Frank Pantridge of Belfast. He had a study. He published
Speaker 3: a study that said, hey, you know what, we have
Speaker 3: more success saving people's lives when our mobile units have
Speaker 3: a physician or a nurse inside.
Speaker 5: Right, And everyone went, huh, never really thought about that,
Speaker 5: but there it is, there's a study. Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 5: So he definitely set the stage for this.
Speaker 4: And then the year before there was a report I
Speaker 4: think it was a year earlier, right, the one from
Speaker 4: Congress in America.
Speaker 1: A couple of years sixty five.
Speaker 4: I think it was like the National Academy of Sciences
Speaker 4: or somebody basically got together with another group and said,
Speaker 4: let's study accidents. And what they came up with was
Speaker 4: this idea that there was like this overlooked disaster that happened.
Speaker 4: Like accidents were a huge, major leading cause of injury
Speaker 4: and death in the United States, and this inquiry determined
Speaker 4: that we weren't doing much about it, and specifically a
Speaker 4: lot of people died who otherwise wouldn't have if there
Speaker 4: had been something like an emergency medical service to attend
Speaker 4: to them at the accident scene and on the way
Speaker 4: to the hospital, and then having the hospital actually know
Speaker 4: what they were doing as far as emergency medicine goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just staggering to me.
Speaker 3: It seems so intuitive and I can't believe it took
Speaker 3: that long for this to happen, you know. And in fact,
Speaker 3: the Emergency Medical Systems Act was signed in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 3: which basically said.
Speaker 1: We need a standardized system here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a nationwide That was after that paper came out
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 3: Yea many years later. I mean that's a speed of government,
Speaker 3: I guess. And then in nineteen seventy seven the publication
Speaker 3: of the first very first national standard Curriculum for EMTs
Speaker 3: and Paramedics seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then so alongside this para, this they there were
Speaker 4: people like around the country, at universities around the country
Speaker 4: and around the world who were kind of all recognizing
Speaker 4: all of this at the same time that there's a
Speaker 4: lot more that could be done for people who were
Speaker 4: injured in accidents. And so you had the people at
Speaker 4: pitt University of Pittsburgh taking up the cause.
Speaker 1: Panthers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they started is that the Panthers, Yeah, huh. They
Speaker 4: started creating some of the first curriculum for paramedics, some
Speaker 4: of the earliest tests for paramedics. The University of Cincinnati
Speaker 4: came up with the first curriculum for training physicians in
Speaker 4: er medicine. I think the University of California was an
Speaker 4: early entrant into the world of teaching paramedicine. And then
Speaker 4: I think they were the first one to be accredited
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty, Like they had their operation going for years,
Speaker 4: but they were the first one to say, hey, somebody
Speaker 4: take a look at this and make sure we're kosher,
Speaker 4: and then we can say we're an accredited training facility
Speaker 4: for paramedics.
Speaker 1: Amazing, it is pretty amazing.
Speaker 4: And then the problem is this, So the federal government
Speaker 4: got into the act in nineteen seventy three, with the
Speaker 4: Emergency Medical Services Act. But by nineteen eighty one there
Speaker 4: was an omnibus budget that said we're out, We're done,
Speaker 4: We're not funding emergency services anymore. And then from that
Speaker 4: point forward, the emergency service system in the United States,
Speaker 4: whatever had been developed to that point, broke into patchworks
Speaker 4: of state, local county programs, sometimes multiple ones within a
Speaker 4: single county. I think there's a county in Michigan that
Speaker 4: has like eighteen different emergency services and that has kind
Speaker 4: of created this where we are now, which is people
Speaker 4: doing the absolute best they can in what amounts to
Speaker 4: a broken system in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Should we take a break, sure, all right, when we
Speaker 3: come back, we will put the broken system behind us momentarily.
Speaker 3: Talk about e mts and paramedics.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So if you want to ride in an ambulance or
Speaker 3: drive an ambulance and get on the scene and help
Speaker 3: someone out who's in need, there are a couple of
Speaker 3: ways you can do it. You can be an EMT
Speaker 3: emergency medical technician. And this is the person who has
Speaker 3: undergone about between about one hundred and twenty and one hundred.
Speaker 1: And fifty hours of course work there.
Speaker 3: They are well trained and all kinds of life saving procedures.
Speaker 3: If you need CPR, if you need oxygen administered, if
Speaker 3: you were having some bad allergic reaction, that your life
Speaker 3: is in jeopardy. But there are limits to what they
Speaker 3: are allowed to do. So one thing they cannot do,
Speaker 3: even in the case of giving shots is they can't
Speaker 3: break the skin, right, which is super interesting.
Speaker 1: I never knew that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know that either. But you can consider
Speaker 4: an EMT like an entry level paramedicine professional, right, that's
Speaker 4: where you would start. And in fact, I think you
Speaker 4: have to start as an EMT to go on to
Speaker 4: the next level, which would be paramedic.
Speaker 1: Right for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so if you're a paramedic, you have about ten
Speaker 4: times the amount of coursework in schooling under your belt
Speaker 4: by the time you're a paramedic. And I think you
Speaker 4: do have to have about six months at least of
Speaker 4: immediately prior EMT experience to start becoming a paramedic as well,
Speaker 4: which I'm sure is the way most people go. As
Speaker 4: you start out as an EMT and then you move
Speaker 4: on to the next level, which is paramedic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which, like you said, ten times, so that's about
Speaker 3: anywhere from twelve hundred to eighteen hundred hours depending on
Speaker 3: your state or your municipality to get certified. And this
Speaker 3: is where the real action can happen. You can give
Speaker 3: an IV, you can if someone's having a heart attack,
Speaker 3: you can deal with that.
Speaker 1: You can operate defibrillator, tibulator, fibrillator, fibrillator.
Speaker 4: It's fun to say once you master it, they should
Speaker 4: have just.
Speaker 1: Called it the clear machine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the but it's a it's a lot of work
Speaker 3: in a lot of hours. And one of the people
Speaker 3: that they interviewed in this article said that, you know,
Speaker 3: it's really grueling, and when you're in paramedic training and
Speaker 3: school and doing your course work basically for a year
Speaker 3: or two, you can just say goodbye to your friends
Speaker 3: and family.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I saw that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough stuff.
Speaker 4: So the paramedic is actually they operate under the license,
Speaker 4: not just like like under the direction, but under the
Speaker 4: license of a physician in their locale.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of ways that you can do it.
Speaker 4: And as you'll start to see, like I saw a
Speaker 4: quote that it said, if you've seen one emergency medical system,
Speaker 4: you've seen one emergency medical system. They're all just so different. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the whole thing so patchwork. But there is a
Speaker 4: national standard, which I think is the National Emergency Medical
Speaker 4: Technician Registry Exam. That's like the national exam, and then
Speaker 4: you may have to pass like a state and or
Speaker 4: local exam too, depending on where you live. But there
Speaker 4: is like a national accreditation and national coursework. But then
Speaker 4: how the system functions and runs is what's the patchwork
Speaker 4: part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it'll cost you. I mean it depends on
Speaker 3: where it is, of course, and what program. But the
Speaker 3: example they used in art article is the UCLA Center
Speaker 3: for Pre Hospital Care, and they quoted about ten grand
Speaker 3: for just the tuition. And then, of course, like any
Speaker 3: college or coursework, you're gonna have to pay for books
Speaker 3: and equipment and uniforums and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where they get.
Speaker 4: You plaid skirt.
Speaker 3: And then after that, though, the good news is is
Speaker 3: that you have a really good chance of getting work.
Speaker 3: I get the impression that if you have gone through
Speaker 3: all of your paramedic training, you're not sitting around like
Speaker 3: there's usually a job waiting for you somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I saw that as well, And actually it doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily pay super well now people, So if you ever
Speaker 4: see a paramedic, be extra nice to them for sure,
Speaker 4: because not only are they running around saving people's lives,
Speaker 4: they're not getting rich off of it at all. They're
Speaker 4: doing it because it's something they care about. Yeah. But
Speaker 4: despite that, despite the mediocre pay, I saw, it's going
Speaker 4: to be one of the most in demand jobs over
Speaker 4: the next like ten to fifteen years. I really wish
Speaker 4: I could remember the statistic exactly, but I think they're
Speaker 4: like expecting another like fifty three thousand EMT jobs or
Speaker 4: paramedic jobs to be added to the American economy over
Speaker 4: the next decade maybe. So it's definitely a growing career
Speaker 4: for sure, growing profession.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the pay.
Speaker 3: If you go to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Speaker 3: to kind of a mean salary or something, they do it.
Speaker 3: It's not really they should separate it out, but they
Speaker 3: lump in EMTs and paramedics, when, of course EMTs don't
Speaker 3: make the kind of money they're paramedic would. But they
Speaker 3: had a mean annual wage of about thirty one thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a few years ago. And if you're in the
Speaker 3: top ten percent, it's about fifty four thousand, and apparently
Speaker 3: the state of Washington is one on the higher side.
Speaker 3: You can get as high as seventy one grand in
Speaker 3: the state of Washington, right, But I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: that's a good living and a decent living. But it's
Speaker 3: not like like you said, they don't go into this
Speaker 3: because like, oh man, you know that thirty one grand
Speaker 3: a year. It's sort of like being a school teacher.
Speaker 3: It's a I feel like it's a calling in a
Speaker 3: lot of cases for sure.
Speaker 4: For sure, as I was saying about the license that
Speaker 4: they operate under. Right, So if you're a certified paramedic
Speaker 4: when you are are depending on the state you're in,
Speaker 4: you may be operating under the license of the state
Speaker 4: medical director, like that's where you have your license, or
Speaker 4: you could also be operating under the license of a
Speaker 4: local physician, like that physician's license covers you, covers the
Speaker 4: physician's assistant, basically everything working for everyone working for him
Speaker 4: or her, So you might be operating under that physician's license.
Speaker 4: Or I didn't know this man during an ambulance ride,
Speaker 4: so remember how just adding like a trained medical professional
Speaker 4: to the ride from an accident scene to the hospital
Speaker 4: improves outcomes, and we've done that since nineteen sixty six
Speaker 4: at least they figured out that if you can communicate
Speaker 4: with a doctor an er physician en route, you could
Speaker 4: also improve outcomes. Even more so. During this transportation from
Speaker 4: an accident to the hospital, the paramedic is probably in
Speaker 4: touch with an er doctor who is instructing and advising
Speaker 4: and consulting with the paramedic to figure out the best
Speaker 4: course of action, the best course of treatment, and then
Speaker 4: how to carry that out. And from what I understand
Speaker 4: at that time, the paramedic is operating under that physician's
Speaker 4: license in that state.
Speaker 1: Would that make you feel better or worse?
Speaker 4: What that the paramedic was getting instruction from a physician?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if you hear this going on, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 3: Part of me is like better because it's a doctor
Speaker 3: telling you that, But the other part of me is like,
Speaker 3: don't you know right? And you would hate to hear
Speaker 3: the doctor say we'll get the something something and for
Speaker 3: the paramedic to say the what.
Speaker 4: You're right, I don't know what that is. I've never
Speaker 4: seen this before ever.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had to take an ambulance ride for yourself?
Speaker 4: No, no, Thank goodness, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't think I had either, but then I did. Remember
Speaker 3: when I was thirteen or fourteen, my brother was sixteen
Speaker 3: or seventeen, we were in a car wreck. There were
Speaker 3: eight people in a g and my brother's jeep that
Speaker 3: was once my dad's cheap and that was definitely not
Speaker 3: safe to do to begin with. But we were going
Speaker 3: to a movie after church on the Sunday night.
Speaker 1: A bunch of kids in.
Speaker 3: Youth group piled in my brother's jeep wasted, no just kidding,
Speaker 3: completely sober wasted on the Lord.
Speaker 1: We were and it was raining really hard.
Speaker 3: And you know at Ponce de Leon Avenue here in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: everyone that doesn't live Atlanta probably laughs.
Speaker 1: That we pronounce it that way instead of.
Speaker 4: H.
Speaker 3: But on Ponce where it kind of if you're leaving
Speaker 3: from Atlanta, it's that big curve where you go over
Speaker 3: that large stone archway. Yes, kind of headed toward into Decatur.
Speaker 3: We were coming down that way nowhere near North Lake
Speaker 3: Mall where we were supposed to be headed. We were
Speaker 3: lost and my brother we hydroplaned, hit a curb and
Speaker 3: turned the jeep over on its side, and I ripped
Speaker 3: through the canvas ceiling or whatever it's made.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you got thrown.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were scattered all over the street.
Speaker 4: You are lucky. I know.
Speaker 3: It's the only time I think that I've been knocked unconscious,
Speaker 3: and I just remember waking up, you know what would
Speaker 3: have been probably seconds later in the pouring rain, and
Speaker 3: looking around and seeing my friends like scattered within like
Speaker 3: twenty feet of each other in various places.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that is scary stuff.
Speaker 1: It was scary.
Speaker 3: So in the end, the good news is no one
Speaker 3: had like I think the worst injury was like a
Speaker 3: broken collar bone. I broke my finger. There were little
Speaker 3: cuts and scrapes, but nobody was hurt bad.
Speaker 1: But I do remember this, Oh my brother doesn't listen
Speaker 1: to this one.
Speaker 3: In the ambulance on the way, My brother was just
Speaker 3: sort of catatonic, and they said they were trying to
Speaker 3: get information, and they asked what his name was, and
Speaker 3: he said Ahole.
Speaker 1: He said Ahole. He said, the real world is so bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he was just sort of out of it
Speaker 3: and felt terrible. Of course, Scott and he didn't curse
Speaker 3: at all at the time. It still doesn't even curse much.
Speaker 3: But it was just it's weird that that is what
Speaker 3: stands out of my mind.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he remembers that.
Speaker 4: Actually, well that's a big one, especially if you didn't curse,
Speaker 4: you know, so funny man, that's a that's you were
Speaker 4: a great storyteller.
Speaker 1: Was that a good story?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was like, I was seriously, well, you kept
Speaker 4: like going off on tangents. I'm like, no, we got
Speaker 4: to get back to the story. What happened to the cheek?
Speaker 1: I know you looked a little nervous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so wow, Okay, should we take a break.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? And also I forgot to mention the one
Speaker 1: guy that was tragically killed.
Speaker 4: Right, You're like, but did I mention? I also broke
Speaker 4: my finger?
Speaker 1: No, nobody, nobody was hurt.
Speaker 4: Everybody's too bad. Everybody's good.
Speaker 1: Everybody's good. I think my brother broke his foot.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Heck of a story, chuck, heck of a story.
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, let's take a break and regroup, shall we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, we're back. I'm not reeling quite as much
Speaker 4: as I was. But that was a good story. Again,
Speaker 4: I feel like.
Speaker 3: We should mention, even though it's kind of silly that
Speaker 3: emergency TV show. Oh yeah, for sure from the seventies,
Speaker 3: because it seems like it definitely, like actually played a
Speaker 3: part in ramping up ambulance services.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is I think nineteen seventy one or
Speaker 4: seventy two when it premiered. And remember the Emergency Medical
Speaker 4: Services Act wasn't past until nineteen seventy three. That white
Speaker 4: paper had come out in nineteen sixty six. So this
Speaker 4: idea of like this new type of medicine and this
Speaker 4: new type of like healthcare worker was really on America's mind.
Speaker 4: But one of the ways it got there was from
Speaker 4: that TV show Emergency, in part because it was shot
Speaker 4: like documentary style. People played themselves on it, like there
Speaker 4: were real dispatchers on the show acting as dispatchers. It
Speaker 4: just captured America's imagination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember watching it, do you.
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever saw an episode of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was Emergency with an exclamation point in Mantle seventy seven,
Speaker 3: and it was mainly two dudes, two firefighter characters is
Speaker 3: what the story centered on. And one of them was
Speaker 3: a young Kevin tig Or Tigue. He was did you
Speaker 3: ever see Roadhouse?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He was the owner. He's a character actor he's been in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he owned the Double Deuce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great. Yeah, I can't remember what else it's seen.
Speaker 4: I've seen him young before. I wonder if it was
Speaker 4: Emergency now that you mention it.
Speaker 3: Maybe, huh, maybe I have, because I'm going to ran
Speaker 3: every runs.
Speaker 4: For sure it did. I'm a Jack Web fan and
Speaker 4: I think he produced or created it.
Speaker 1: You're a big Jack Web guy, are you not. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: He's the dude from Dragnet. He's Sergeant Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I need to think about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's awesome. I'll let you know, man, if you
Speaker 4: go back and watch like old episodes of Dragnet.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah that was a good show.
Speaker 4: Yes it was. And I think Emergency maybe Adam twelve
Speaker 4: is like the direct spinoff of Dragnet. Maybe That's what
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of. But I swear I know exactly what
Speaker 4: you're talking about with the tigue fella from Roadhouse.
Speaker 3: And then wasn't Dragnet Colonel Potter, Yes, Harry Morgan, Right,
Speaker 3: we had an Emmilina had a long conversation about match
Speaker 3: the other day and how that was I was a
Speaker 3: mash nut and how that show was one of the
Speaker 3: few to survive like major cast changes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like like three of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah. They certainly didn't like like big stars like co stars.
Speaker 4: I think. One of the few people who made it
Speaker 4: through was Alan Alda, Right, he was there the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like Hot Lips I think was the same,
Speaker 3: and a few others. But they had like Radar and Clinger. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they co existed I think, But eventually Radar left and
Speaker 3: Clinger took his job. They Potter took over for what's
Speaker 3: his face, the original guy.
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but he wore the fishing hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was, Oh man, the saddest ending ever for
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 4: What when he left?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember he got his papers to go home
Speaker 3: and everyone's all excited, and then he was killed in
Speaker 3: a helicopter crash or a plane crash.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that on his way out.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then of course Frank Burns left and was replaced
Speaker 3: by Winchester, and then Trapper left and was replaced by Honeycutt. Right,
Speaker 3: but it just it was still great, well you got
Speaker 3: it wasn't as great at the very end.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, goodbye, farewell and amen was one
Speaker 4: of the all time best last episodes out, true for sure,
Speaker 4: But you're saying they pulled it together at the at
Speaker 4: the end of the last episode.
Speaker 3: I think I remember the last couple of seasons. It
Speaker 3: was a little bit like, you know this, maybe it
Speaker 3: had run its course. But that was a very discerning
Speaker 3: twelve year old viewer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, like they've really gone to
Speaker 4: the hoots gin joke too many times this episode.
Speaker 3: It is funny though that, like, little twelve year old
Speaker 3: me thought, like the funniest thing in the world. Would
Speaker 3: war surgeons drunk war surgeons?
Speaker 4: Right, drunk philandering war surgeons?
Speaker 1: All right, I really got off track there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we should take a third break.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I don't think we should either. So we're talking about
Speaker 4: paramedics today, believe it or not. And one of the
Speaker 4: things we talked about was the idea that that paramedics, well,
Speaker 4: let's talk a little bit more about their job, right, Okay.
Speaker 4: One of the things that paramedics are sometimes criticized for
Speaker 4: is that they don't run to the scene of an emergency.
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that.
Speaker 4: Once you have it, I really hadn't either, But then
Speaker 4: I started thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, I could
Speaker 4: totally see that. Apparently, for some people who are at
Speaker 4: an emergency scene and see the paramedics kind of walk up,
Speaker 4: they appear a little too casual, and they want to know,
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Why aren't you rushing to this scene?
Speaker 4: And paramedics I think we saw a question answered on
Speaker 4: KORRA or something like that, and a paramedic explains, there's
Speaker 4: actually a number of really good reasons why paramedics why
Speaker 4: you don't see them running to the scene. First of all,
Speaker 4: they're going to park as close as they can sure,
Speaker 4: so that running is only going to save a couple
Speaker 4: seconds off. But really the number one reason, or one
Speaker 4: of the top reasons, is that they're supposed to be
Speaker 4: they're supposed to bring with them to this scene of
Speaker 4: catastrophic panic, basically calm and professionalism and being in control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3: Like, I think it would be a little disconcerting if
Speaker 3: I was injured and I saw a paramedic burst into
Speaker 3: the room like breathing heavy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 4: Is everybody okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Plus they might get hurt running that's another one, And
Speaker 3: they're usually you know or not usually, but I would
Speaker 3: say probably a lot of times. It's not like they're
Speaker 3: walking through a you know, a perfectly laid pathway, like
Speaker 3: they could be running upstairs or through a house of
Speaker 3: hoarders or you know, through the woods, like you don't
Speaker 3: know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You got to be careful on your way there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have to be going slow enough that
Speaker 4: you can assess what the risks you're walking into. Are
Speaker 4: as you're walking into them, sure, then running into it
Speaker 4: and being like, oh, the guy who shot you still
Speaker 4: here waiting for me. You know now that I've run
Speaker 4: into the scene. I know that, but it's terrible. It's
Speaker 4: also kind of hard to run from place to place,
Speaker 4: depending on the equipment that they're carrying. Those stretchers get heavy,
Speaker 4: the EKG machines get heavy, the defibrillators get heavy. All
Speaker 4: that stuff gets heavy. So there's a number of reasons
Speaker 4: why you won't see a paramedic rushing to the scene.
Speaker 4: You will see them rushing to the scene in the
Speaker 4: ambulance though, and from what I understand that driving in
Speaker 4: the ambulance or riding in the ambulance is the most
Speaker 4: dangerous part of the entire job.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And here's another tip, aside from being nice to your
Speaker 3: EMT or paramedic is, don't call them ambulance drivers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because that's part of their job. And it's a weird
Speaker 3: thing too that it's not like they hire a driver
Speaker 3: who's super skilled at that and then they have other
Speaker 3: people in there that do the work like they do
Speaker 3: double duty. They have to learn to drive like that,
Speaker 3: I mean while they're EMTs are paramedics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, if you've ever seen an
Speaker 4: ambulance going through an intersection, they're gonna slow and maybe
Speaker 4: even stop and then seed they still get broadsided very
Speaker 4: frequently by people going through the intersection because they have
Speaker 4: a green light and they're not paying attention. They'll hit
Speaker 4: an ambulance like t bone and ambulance and the driver's
Speaker 4: probably okay, or I should say the paramedic driving is
Speaker 4: probably okay, But the paramedics in the back, they probably
Speaker 4: aren't lashed down in any way, shape or form because
Speaker 4: they're working on the patient and so they're getting thrown
Speaker 4: around and can get injured and killed themselves that way.
Speaker 4: So that's the most dangerous aspect of the job from
Speaker 4: what i've seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another interesting thing that I saw from that list
Speaker 3: you sent was that if you're in a big city,
Speaker 3: a lot of times they even have divided up between
Speaker 3: EMT and paramedic for different cases. So like if there's
Speaker 3: a scene of trauma going on, like a car accident,
Speaker 3: then you're more likely to get an EMT, whereas if
Speaker 3: you're at home and you're like my husband's having a
Speaker 3: heart attack or my child having a seizure, then you're
Speaker 3: more likely to get a paramedic, Yeah, which is interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if in cities as well, if you're a paramedic,
Speaker 4: you probably once you get into your ambulance, you're basically
Speaker 4: stationed at the ambulance for the rest of your twelve
Speaker 4: hour shift. You're you don't go back to like the
Speaker 4: firehouse or to the ambulance clubhouse or anything like that.
Speaker 4: You're you're you're like on a designated street corner, parked,
Speaker 4: waiting for your next call, probably killing time somehow, but
Speaker 4: you're you. There's there's not very much downtime. And like
Speaker 4: in a in a city especially, the opposite is true
Speaker 4: for more rural e mts and paramedics, and that there's
Speaker 4: a lot of downtime so much so that this guy
Speaker 4: who was actually one of the consultants on that show
Speaker 4: Emergency years back, Uh, he became a Minister of health
Speaker 4: I think in Nova Scotia, and he he created this
Speaker 4: program for rural ems workers to use their downtime in
Speaker 4: much the same way that like a country doctor would
Speaker 4: have made house calls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they like, wasn't the idea that they would
Speaker 3: go to places and sort of help train like regular
Speaker 3: citizens on how to avoid getting hurt and stuff to
Speaker 3: begin with, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like doling out preventative medicine, like making sure
Speaker 4: that people are taking their medicines correctly, teaching CPR classes,
Speaker 4: and teaching leading exercise classes for like seniors at a
Speaker 4: senior center. Like doing all this stuff to reduce the
Speaker 4: number of calls that they have to go on anyway,
Speaker 4: so it cuts down on their downtime, which I think
Speaker 4: is actually very much appreciated by paramedics because there's really
Speaker 4: nothing more boring than sitting around constantly, and then they're
Speaker 4: actually doing something and also making their community a healthier place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny when they were talking to
Speaker 3: some real on the ground paramedic about the downtime, They're like, well,
Speaker 3: HBO goes kind of awesome, right, yeah, like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I guess you got a pass the time. It's better
Speaker 3: than Nicholas Cage and bringing out the dead.
Speaker 4: What did he do? Because I remember that movie, but
Speaker 4: I don't remember all the details.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't that great.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 1: He did tons of drugs.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's a speedreak or something. I got you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he kept begging to be fired, right.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it very very well at all.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think he did, like that was his stick.
Speaker 4: He begged to be fired. So one of the things
Speaker 4: about those that downtime, the community community preventative medicine initiatives
Speaker 4: have kind of spread from Nova Scotia out through around
Speaker 4: the country. When you see a paramedic doing that, they're
Speaker 4: they're not being paid, or at the very least their
Speaker 4: unit or their county or their city is not being
Speaker 4: paid for that, which is a huge problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where I got a little confused.
Speaker 1: The way I was reading this was.
Speaker 3: Medicaid and Medicare and stuff, and insurance companies will reimburse
Speaker 3: only if they have transported someone to a hospital.
Speaker 1: Yes, so in other words, if you.
Speaker 3: Go as an ambulance and a paramedic or ant to
Speaker 3: a place and you actually can just help and treat
Speaker 3: someone there and they don't need to go to the hospital,
Speaker 3: then that's a freebie, yes, Or do they send a
Speaker 3: bill to the people, as from.
Speaker 4: What I understand, it's a freebie. I probably since it
Speaker 4: is such a patchwork of systems all around the country.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that you could live somewhere where you the
Speaker 4: person would get a bill for that. I think as
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, you do no matter where you live.
Speaker 4: But Medicaid and Medicare won't pay for it. So there
Speaker 4: is a substantial reason to say, keep working chest compressions
Speaker 4: on a person who is obviously dead all the way
Speaker 4: to the hospital. Interesting, so that you can build Medicaid
Speaker 4: for that transport, or getting somebody to go to the
Speaker 4: hospital even though they don't need to, so that you
Speaker 4: can build Medicaid for that as well. And the problem
Speaker 4: is that that leads to other problems as well, like
Speaker 4: hospital ers are very much overcrowded and understaffed and overworked. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so when you show up with another person, that's one
Speaker 4: more person they have to deal with and apparently it
Speaker 4: creates a bit of a.
Speaker 1: Conflict.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a cultural conflict between the people the paramedics
Speaker 4: and this EMTs bringing people to the er and the
Speaker 4: people who staff the er and are accepting these people,
Speaker 4: and so much so that there's it's become kind of
Speaker 4: common for er rooms to issue ambulance diversions saying don't
Speaker 4: bring anybody to our er, go somewhere else. And on
Speaker 4: a really night in a really populated city, you might
Speaker 4: find every single er room like with that diversion alert on,
Speaker 4: and you've got to take somebody out to like a
Speaker 4: country hospital that doesn't know anything about trauma, and it
Speaker 4: takes forty five minutes to get there, and they're not
Speaker 4: going to get the care they could receive at a
Speaker 4: good trauma center in the city. So that's a real problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's too in terms of pay, And we
Speaker 3: need to hear from people on the ground because this
Speaker 3: it's surprisingly confusing when research this on how it all works.
Speaker 3: And maybe that's the point, but it seems like it's
Speaker 3: also a fixed rate. There's no difference between I treated
Speaker 3: a kid for an allergic beasting reaction to I brought
Speaker 3: a guy back from the dead who had had a
Speaker 3: heart attack or heart failure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so long as you transport both of them to
Speaker 4: the hospital that you're going to get I think I
Speaker 4: saw as low as twenty five bucks from medicaid in
Speaker 4: some places. I don't understand this. The numbers just do
Speaker 4: not add up. I don't get it at all. I
Speaker 4: know that some places, some counties and cities, fold their
Speaker 4: EMT or EMS workers under their fire departments. Uh huh,
Speaker 4: so that they fall under the fire departments funding, which
Speaker 4: I think fire departments tend to be way better funded
Speaker 4: than any kind of EMS service.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: So I think that's how. That's one way that it happens.
Speaker 4: But I just don't I don't get how this how
Speaker 4: this actually works money wise, because it doesn't add up.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's not often that we're a little stemied.
Speaker 3: So we're going to follow up, for sure with some emails.
Speaker 3: But I think that's also going to vary from place
Speaker 3: to place. Right, Because the other thing that I got
Speaker 3: really confused about was private the privatization of ambulance services. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and as best as I can tell, is in the
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties, there were a lot of small private
Speaker 3: ambulance companies, but then they merged into more regional things
Speaker 3: and that these days there's just a few, like big
Speaker 3: multinational companies that are the most dominant in the industry right.
Speaker 3: But I don't get how that works, Like if they're private,
Speaker 3: are they like working with only private.
Speaker 1: Hospitals or can they go to a state hospital.
Speaker 4: I think that they can get a contract from the state,
Speaker 4: they can be they can have a license to operate
Speaker 4: within a state or a county or wherever, and I
Speaker 4: think they go wherever they're called to. I know that
Speaker 4: there can be like competition among them, so like multiple
Speaker 4: ambulances will show up at a scene. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 4: it's it's it's kind of a bit of a cluster
Speaker 4: as far as competing with the local EMS services, and
Speaker 4: I think it's on the decline from what I've seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you call nine to one one, do
Speaker 1: you have a choice?
Speaker 4: So what you can do? I think it's kind of
Speaker 4: like uber where like the nine to one to one
Speaker 4: dispatcher has a log of companies or services, like public
Speaker 4: funded or private services that it can be issued to
Speaker 4: and they send out the alarm and whoever takes the
Speaker 4: call goes and gets it interesting. So the problem is
Speaker 4: is I saw a Las Vegas Review Journal article about this.
Speaker 4: Las Vegas was debating whether to just totally privatize their
Speaker 4: EMS services. Their EMS just like went berserk. They're like no,
Speaker 4: like this doesn't work. The private companies are late. I
Speaker 4: think they were late like ten thousand plus times in
Speaker 4: one year in Las Vegas. Their response time tends to
Speaker 4: be less than the actual fire department or EMS is.
Speaker 4: It's just not as it's just not as preferable. And
Speaker 4: the reason why ambulance private ambulance services came about or
Speaker 4: became widespread, this idea that you should just privatize everything
Speaker 4: and then that competition will keep everything going. And that
Speaker 4: hasn't necessarily panned out to be the case. And from
Speaker 4: what I see, New York is actually scaling back on theirs, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Juliani is one of the people that
Speaker 3: really tried, and of course, you know, no surprise given
Speaker 3: his politics, trying to privatize the industry. But apparently a
Speaker 3: lot of those had gone bankrupt basically, yeah, and that
Speaker 3: during the during the housing boom, the financial collapse. Strangely,
Speaker 3: or maybe not strangely, because I don't understand it, a
Speaker 3: lot of private equity firms started buying up ambulance services.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's there, you go, there's the downfall.
Speaker 1: It's just so interesting.
Speaker 3: I know that this is one of those where someone's
Speaker 3: gonna knock our socks off with a great email.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think Also one more thing about the private
Speaker 4: ambulance services. It's not like they're just a bad idea
Speaker 4: all around. Sure, in a locale that is underserved, if
Speaker 4: a company wants to come and set up ambulance services,
Speaker 4: that would be great for that area. Yeah, because they
Speaker 4: have a far you know they have They can get
Speaker 4: places faster in an ambulance than they could have before
Speaker 4: in a place where you've got your EMS overstretched in
Speaker 4: the counties, Like, no, we're not hiring a single additional
Speaker 4: EMS worker. A company that sets up shop can actually
Speaker 4: take up the slack Like there are good aspects to it.
Speaker 4: Like it's not just like some terrible idea, but in
Speaker 4: practice that hasn't worked out as well as as one
Speaker 4: would hope from what I understand. Yeah, yeah, EMS workers
Speaker 4: like email us like explain this because I really like you.
Speaker 4: I do not get who's footing the bill. It has
Speaker 4: to be insurance companies, and then if you don't have insurance,
Speaker 4: it has to be just the person, the individual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we have. We waded into the
Speaker 3: waters of doing a nine to one to one podcast
Speaker 3: once and didn't. Isn't that correct? Because it was. I mean,
Speaker 3: we'll do it at some point, but I remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a good, easy ish one and it ended up
Speaker 3: like being super convoluted.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I think we should do that. We
Speaker 4: shoul should also do just eers in general too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's a bit about paramedics. Sounds like there's way
Speaker 4: more to it, right, Yeah, but you got anything else
Speaker 4: for now, no, sir? Okay, Well, since Chuck said no, sir,
Speaker 4: it's time for listening to maw all right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this we helped the dude win something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love this one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, let's hear from Salt Lake
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