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Speaker 1: Hi everybody. Chuck here, I just.

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Speaker 2: Realized I have almost cut my finger off while I

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Speaker 2: bleeding quite a bit. So I'm gonna call nine one one,

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Speaker 2: and in the meantime, I'm going to listen to this

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Speaker 2: episode from April twelfth, twenty eighteen, how Paramedics Work.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank god.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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Speaker 4: Charles W Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Jerome Roland and

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Speaker 4: this is Stuff you Should Know The Emergency.

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Speaker 1: Real Rear Rear.

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Speaker 4: War er er aw.

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Speaker 3: We should have a new podcast called Sirens Are the World. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just annoying show.

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Speaker 4: Ever, it would be pretty annoying, but there'd be some

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Speaker 4: subset of people who like just really despise themselves that

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Speaker 4: it'd be popular.

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Speaker 1: Among so we would love it.

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Speaker 4: Uh, we don't hate ourselves, do we tell me? I

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Speaker 4: need to know?

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Speaker 1: No? Okay, So it depends on the day.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to hate myself.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I want to punch myself. Does that count?

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Speaker 4: No? I know exactly what you mean. Man. Sometimes I'm

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Speaker 4: just like I am so sick of myself? Is that

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Speaker 4: is that what you're talking about?

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Speaker 1: That was a good song. Remember that song? No sick

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Speaker 1: of myself? No, that was Matthew Sweet.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, wow, that's weird that this is going on

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Speaker 4: right now, because Matthew Sweet just popped up like randomly

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Speaker 4: haven't heard about him in twenty years, and then bam,

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Speaker 1: Well he's still around, he's in Atlantic. Guy.

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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know that. Yeah, well that's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Usually usually the artist like keeps going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, he had two hits.

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Speaker 4: Stuff, I know, girlfriend, and then the other one you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah girlfriend, that's a great song.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it's a good song. Okay. So obviously what we're

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Speaker 4: these people save lives. That's great. Here's some of the

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Speaker 4: life saving techniques that they do. Fantastic, But there's like,

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Speaker 4: actually so much more too. It's got a really interesting history,

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Speaker 4: So what I think it means is, as follows Charles,

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Speaker 4: these people paramedics. They are not doctors, correct, but they

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Speaker 4: A couple of sticks with some canvas stretch between them.

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Speaker 4: The ECDO one the Ghostbusters ambulance is a modified Cadillac Hearse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and talk about a conflict of interest, you know

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And it was all just medicine at the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just staggering to me.

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Speaker 3: It seems so intuitive and I can't believe it took

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Speaker 3: the Emergency Medical Systems Act was signed in nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a nationwide That was after that paper came out

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Speaker 3: Yea many years later. I mean that's a speed of government,

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Speaker 3: and Paramedics seventy seven.

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Speaker 4: And then so alongside this para, this they there were

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Speaker 3: Should we take a break, sure, all right, when we

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Speaker 4: So the paramedic is actually they operate under the license,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it'll cost you. I mean it depends on

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Speaker 3: It's not really they should separate it out, but they

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Speaker 4: Actually, well that's a big one, especially if you didn't curse,

444
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 4: you know, so funny man, that's a that's you were

445
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 4: a great storyteller.

446
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: Was that a good story?

447
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was like, I was seriously, well, you kept

448
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: like going off on tangents. I'm like, no, we got

449
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 4: to get back to the story. What happened to the cheek?

450
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: I know you looked a little nervous.

451
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so wow, Okay, should we take a break.

452
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? And also I forgot to mention the one

453
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: guy that was tragically killed.

454
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 4: Right, You're like, but did I mention? I also broke

455
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: my finger?

456
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: No, nobody, nobody was hurt.

457
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: Everybody's too bad. Everybody's good.

458
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: Everybody's good. I think my brother broke his foot.

459
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 4: Man.

460
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just stuff like that.

461
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: Heck of a story, chuck, heck of a story.

462
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: Thank you?

463
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, let's take a break and regroup, shall we.

464
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do.

465
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, we're back. I'm not reeling quite as much

466
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: as I was. But that was a good story. Again,

467
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: I feel like.

468
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: We should mention, even though it's kind of silly that

469
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: emergency TV show. Oh yeah, for sure from the seventies,

470
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: because it seems like it definitely, like actually played a

471
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: part in ramping up ambulance services.

472
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is I think nineteen seventy one or

473
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: seventy two when it premiered. And remember the Emergency Medical

474
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 4: Services Act wasn't past until nineteen seventy three. That white

475
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: paper had come out in nineteen sixty six. So this

476
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: idea of like this new type of medicine and this

477
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: new type of like healthcare worker was really on America's mind.

478
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 4: But one of the ways it got there was from

479
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: that TV show Emergency, in part because it was shot

480
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 4: like documentary style. People played themselves on it, like there

481
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: were real dispatchers on the show acting as dispatchers. It

482
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: just captured America's imagination.

483
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember watching it, do you.

484
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever saw an episode of it.

485
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: It was Emergency with an exclamation point in Mantle seventy seven,

487
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 3: and it was mainly two dudes, two firefighter characters is

488
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: what the story centered on. And one of them was

489
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: a young Kevin tig Or Tigue. He was did you

490
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: ever see Roadhouse?

491
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 4: Yeah?

492
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: He was the owner. He's a character actor he's been in. Yeah,

493
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: he owned the Double Deuce.

494
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great. Yeah, I can't remember what else it's seen.

495
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 4: I've seen him young before. I wonder if it was

496
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: Emergency now that you mention it.

497
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 3: Maybe, huh, maybe I have, because I'm going to ran

498
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: every runs.

499
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 4: For sure it did. I'm a Jack Web fan and

500
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: I think he produced or created it.

501
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: You're a big Jack Web guy, are you not. I

502
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: don't know.

503
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: He's the dude from Dragnet. He's Sergeant Friday.

504
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I need to think about that.

505
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's awesome. I'll let you know, man, if you

506
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 4: go back and watch like old episodes of Dragnet.

507
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah that was a good show.

508
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 4: Yes it was. And I think Emergency maybe Adam twelve

509
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: is like the direct spinoff of Dragnet. Maybe That's what

510
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of. But I swear I know exactly what

511
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: you're talking about with the tigue fella from Roadhouse.

512
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: And then wasn't Dragnet Colonel Potter, Yes, Harry Morgan, Right,

513
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: we had an Emmilina had a long conversation about match

514
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: the other day and how that was I was a

515
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: mash nut and how that show was one of the

516
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: few to survive like major cast changes.

517
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like like three of them.

518
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 4: Yeah. They certainly didn't like like big stars like co stars.

519
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: I think. One of the few people who made it

520
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: through was Alan Alda, Right, he was there the whole time.

521
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like Hot Lips I think was the same,

522
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: and a few others. But they had like Radar and Clinger. Yeah,

523
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: they co existed I think, But eventually Radar left and

524
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 3: Clinger took his job. They Potter took over for what's

525
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: his face, the original guy.

526
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but he wore the fishing hat.

527
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was, Oh man, the saddest ending ever for

528
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: that one.

529
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: What when he left?

530
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember he got his papers to go home

531
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: and everyone's all excited, and then he was killed in

532
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: a helicopter crash or a plane crash.

533
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember that on his way out.

534
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: Wow.

535
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: And then of course Frank Burns left and was replaced

536
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: by Winchester, and then Trapper left and was replaced by Honeycutt. Right,

537
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: but it just it was still great, well you got

538
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: it wasn't as great at the very end.

539
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, goodbye, farewell and amen was one

540
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: of the all time best last episodes out, true for sure,

541
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: But you're saying they pulled it together at the at

542
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: the end of the last episode.

543
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: I think I remember the last couple of seasons. It

544
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: was a little bit like, you know this, maybe it

545
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: had run its course. But that was a very discerning

546
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: twelve year old viewer.

547
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, like they've really gone to

548
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: the hoots gin joke too many times this episode.

549
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: It is funny though that, like, little twelve year old

550
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: me thought, like the funniest thing in the world. Would

551
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: war surgeons drunk war surgeons?

552
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: Right, drunk philandering war surgeons?

553
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: All right, I really got off track there.

554
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we should take a third break.

555
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.

556
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: I don't think we should either. So we're talking about

557
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: paramedics today, believe it or not. And one of the

558
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: things we talked about was the idea that that paramedics, well,

559
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: let's talk a little bit more about their job, right, Okay.

560
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: One of the things that paramedics are sometimes criticized for

561
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: is that they don't run to the scene of an emergency.

562
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that.

563
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: Once you have it, I really hadn't either, But then

564
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: I started thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, I could

565
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 4: totally see that. Apparently, for some people who are at

566
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: an emergency scene and see the paramedics kind of walk up,

567
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: they appear a little too casual, and they want to know,

568
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Why aren't you rushing to this scene?

569
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: And paramedics I think we saw a question answered on

570
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: KORRA or something like that, and a paramedic explains, there's

571
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: actually a number of really good reasons why paramedics why

572
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: you don't see them running to the scene. First of all,

573
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: they're going to park as close as they can sure,

574
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: so that running is only going to save a couple

575
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: seconds off. But really the number one reason, or one

576
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: of the top reasons, is that they're supposed to be

577
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: they're supposed to bring with them to this scene of

578
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: catastrophic panic, basically calm and professionalism and being in control.

579
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.

580
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: Like, I think it would be a little disconcerting if

581
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: I was injured and I saw a paramedic burst into

582
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: the room like breathing heavy.

583
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's going on? What's going on?

584
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: Is everybody okay?

585
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

586
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: Plus they might get hurt running that's another one, And

587
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: they're usually you know or not usually, but I would

588
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: say probably a lot of times. It's not like they're

589
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: walking through a you know, a perfectly laid pathway, like

590
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: they could be running upstairs or through a house of

591
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: hoarders or you know, through the woods, like you don't

592
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: know what's going on.

593
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: You got to be careful on your way there.

594
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have to be going slow enough that

595
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: you can assess what the risks you're walking into. Are

596
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: as you're walking into them, sure, then running into it

597
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: and being like, oh, the guy who shot you still

598
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: here waiting for me. You know now that I've run

599
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: into the scene. I know that, but it's terrible. It's

600
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: also kind of hard to run from place to place,

601
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 4: depending on the equipment that they're carrying. Those stretchers get heavy,

602
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: the EKG machines get heavy, the defibrillators get heavy. All

603
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: that stuff gets heavy. So there's a number of reasons

604
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: why you won't see a paramedic rushing to the scene.

605
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 4: You will see them rushing to the scene in the

606
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: ambulance though, and from what I understand that driving in

607
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 4: the ambulance or riding in the ambulance is the most

608
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: dangerous part of the entire job.

609
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

610
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: And here's another tip, aside from being nice to your

611
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: EMT or paramedic is, don't call them ambulance drivers. Yeah,

612
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: because that's part of their job. And it's a weird

613
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: thing too that it's not like they hire a driver

614
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: who's super skilled at that and then they have other

615
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: people in there that do the work like they do

616
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: double duty. They have to learn to drive like that,

617
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: I mean while they're EMTs are paramedics.

618
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, if you've ever seen an

619
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: ambulance going through an intersection, they're gonna slow and maybe

620
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: even stop and then seed they still get broadsided very

621
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: frequently by people going through the intersection because they have

622
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: a green light and they're not paying attention. They'll hit

623
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: an ambulance like t bone and ambulance and the driver's

624
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: probably okay, or I should say the paramedic driving is

625
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: probably okay, But the paramedics in the back, they probably

626
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: aren't lashed down in any way, shape or form because

627
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: they're working on the patient and so they're getting thrown

628
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: around and can get injured and killed themselves that way.

629
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: So that's the most dangerous aspect of the job from

630
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 4: what i've seen.

631
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, another interesting thing that I saw from that list

632
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: you sent was that if you're in a big city,

633
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: a lot of times they even have divided up between

634
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: EMT and paramedic for different cases. So like if there's

635
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: a scene of trauma going on, like a car accident,

636
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: then you're more likely to get an EMT, whereas if

637
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: you're at home and you're like my husband's having a

638
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: heart attack or my child having a seizure, then you're

639
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: more likely to get a paramedic, Yeah, which is interesting.

640
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if in cities as well, if you're a paramedic,

641
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: you probably once you get into your ambulance, you're basically

642
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: stationed at the ambulance for the rest of your twelve

643
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: hour shift. You're you don't go back to like the

644
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: firehouse or to the ambulance clubhouse or anything like that.

645
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: You're you're you're like on a designated street corner, parked,

646
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 4: waiting for your next call, probably killing time somehow, but

647
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: you're you. There's there's not very much downtime. And like

648
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: in a in a city especially, the opposite is true

649
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: for more rural e mts and paramedics, and that there's

650
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: a lot of downtime so much so that this guy

651
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: who was actually one of the consultants on that show

652
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: Emergency years back, Uh, he became a Minister of health

653
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: I think in Nova Scotia, and he he created this

654
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: program for rural ems workers to use their downtime in

655
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 4: much the same way that like a country doctor would

656
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 4: have made house calls.

657
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they like, wasn't the idea that they would

658
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: go to places and sort of help train like regular

659
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: citizens on how to avoid getting hurt and stuff to

660
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: begin with, right.

661
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like doling out preventative medicine, like making sure

662
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: that people are taking their medicines correctly, teaching CPR classes,

663
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Speaker 4: and teaching leading exercise classes for like seniors at a

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Speaker 4: senior center. Like doing all this stuff to reduce the

665
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Speaker 4: number of calls that they have to go on anyway,

666
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Speaker 4: so it cuts down on their downtime, which I think

667
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: is actually very much appreciated by paramedics because there's really

668
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: nothing more boring than sitting around constantly, and then they're

669
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Speaker 4: actually doing something and also making their community a healthier place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

671
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Speaker 3: I thought it was funny when they were talking to

672
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Speaker 3: some real on the ground paramedic about the downtime, They're like, well,

673
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: HBO goes kind of awesome, right, yeah, like, oh, well,

674
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 3: I guess you got a pass the time. It's better

675
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: than Nicholas Cage and bringing out the dead.

676
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Speaker 4: What did he do? Because I remember that movie, but

677
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: I don't remember all the details.

678
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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't that great.

679
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: I liked it.

680
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: He did tons of drugs.

681
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Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's a speedreak or something. I got you.

682
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

683
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he kept begging to be fired, right.

684
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Speaker 1: I don't remember it very very well at all.

685
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: Actually, I think he did, like that was his stick.

686
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: He begged to be fired. So one of the things

687
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: about those that downtime, the community community preventative medicine initiatives

688
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: have kind of spread from Nova Scotia out through around

689
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 4: the country. When you see a paramedic doing that, they're

690
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: they're not being paid, or at the very least their

691
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Speaker 4: unit or their county or their city is not being

692
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Speaker 4: paid for that, which is a huge problem.

693
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where I got a little confused.

694
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Speaker 1: The way I was reading this was.

695
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: Medicaid and Medicare and stuff, and insurance companies will reimburse

696
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Speaker 3: only if they have transported someone to a hospital.

697
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Speaker 1: Yes, so in other words, if you.

698
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Speaker 3: Go as an ambulance and a paramedic or ant to

699
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: a place and you actually can just help and treat

700
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Speaker 3: someone there and they don't need to go to the hospital,

701
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: then that's a freebie, yes, Or do they send a

702
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Speaker 3: bill to the people, as from.

703
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Speaker 4: What I understand, it's a freebie. I probably since it

704
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: is such a patchwork of systems all around the country.

705
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure that you could live somewhere where you the

706
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: person would get a bill for that. I think as

707
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, you do no matter where you live.

708
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Speaker 4: But Medicaid and Medicare won't pay for it. So there

709
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: is a substantial reason to say, keep working chest compressions

710
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: on a person who is obviously dead all the way

711
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Speaker 4: to the hospital. Interesting, so that you can build Medicaid

712
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Speaker 4: for that transport, or getting somebody to go to the

713
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Speaker 4: hospital even though they don't need to, so that you

714
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Speaker 4: can build Medicaid for that as well. And the problem

715
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Speaker 4: is that that leads to other problems as well, like

716
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Speaker 4: hospital ers are very much overcrowded and understaffed and overworked. Right, Yeah,

717
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Speaker 4: so when you show up with another person, that's one

718
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 4: more person they have to deal with and apparently it

719
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Speaker 4: creates a bit of a.

720
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Speaker 1: Conflict.

721
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a cultural conflict between the people the paramedics

722
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Speaker 4: and this EMTs bringing people to the er and the

723
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Speaker 4: people who staff the er and are accepting these people,

724
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Speaker 4: and so much so that there's it's become kind of

725
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Speaker 4: common for er rooms to issue ambulance diversions saying don't

726
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Speaker 4: bring anybody to our er, go somewhere else. And on

727
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: a really night in a really populated city, you might

728
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Speaker 4: find every single er room like with that diversion alert on,

729
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 4: and you've got to take somebody out to like a

730
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: country hospital that doesn't know anything about trauma, and it

731
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Speaker 4: takes forty five minutes to get there, and they're not

732
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Speaker 4: going to get the care they could receive at a

733
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Speaker 4: good trauma center in the city. So that's a real problem.

734
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's too in terms of pay, And we

735
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: need to hear from people on the ground because this

736
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Speaker 3: it's surprisingly confusing when research this on how it all works.

737
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Speaker 3: And maybe that's the point, but it seems like it's

738
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Speaker 3: also a fixed rate. There's no difference between I treated

739
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Speaker 3: a kid for an allergic beasting reaction to I brought

740
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Speaker 3: a guy back from the dead who had had a

741
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Speaker 3: heart attack or heart failure.

742
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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that right?

743
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, so long as you transport both of them to

744
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: the hospital that you're going to get I think I

745
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 4: saw as low as twenty five bucks from medicaid in

746
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Speaker 4: some places. I don't understand this. The numbers just do

747
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: not add up. I don't get it at all. I

748
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 4: know that some places, some counties and cities, fold their

749
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Speaker 4: EMT or EMS workers under their fire departments. Uh huh,

750
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Speaker 4: so that they fall under the fire departments funding, which

751
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 4: I think fire departments tend to be way better funded

752
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Speaker 4: than any kind of EMS service.

753
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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

754
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Speaker 4: So I think that's how. That's one way that it happens.

755
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Speaker 4: But I just don't I don't get how this how

756
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Speaker 4: this actually works money wise, because it doesn't add up.

757
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Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense.

758
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's not often that we're a little stemied.

759
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: So we're going to follow up, for sure with some emails.

760
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Speaker 3: But I think that's also going to vary from place

761
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Speaker 3: to place. Right, Because the other thing that I got

762
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 3: really confused about was private the privatization of ambulance services. Yeah,

763
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Speaker 3: and as best as I can tell, is in the

764
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Speaker 3: seventies and eighties, there were a lot of small private

765
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Speaker 3: ambulance companies, but then they merged into more regional things

766
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Speaker 3: and that these days there's just a few, like big

767
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Speaker 3: multinational companies that are the most dominant in the industry right.

768
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Speaker 3: But I don't get how that works, Like if they're private,

769
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Speaker 3: are they like working with only private.

770
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Speaker 1: Hospitals or can they go to a state hospital.

771
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Speaker 4: I think that they can get a contract from the state,

772
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Speaker 4: they can be they can have a license to operate

773
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Speaker 4: within a state or a county or wherever, and I

774
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: think they go wherever they're called to. I know that

775
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: there can be like competition among them, so like multiple

776
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: ambulances will show up at a scene. Sometimes it's just

777
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 4: it's it's it's kind of a bit of a cluster

778
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Speaker 4: as far as competing with the local EMS services, and

779
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Speaker 4: I think it's on the decline from what I've seen.

780
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you call nine to one one, do

781
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: you have a choice?

782
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: So what you can do? I think it's kind of

783
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: like uber where like the nine to one to one

784
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: dispatcher has a log of companies or services, like public

785
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: funded or private services that it can be issued to

786
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: and they send out the alarm and whoever takes the

787
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Speaker 4: call goes and gets it interesting. So the problem is

788
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: is I saw a Las Vegas Review Journal article about this.

789
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: Las Vegas was debating whether to just totally privatize their

790
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: EMS services. Their EMS just like went berserk. They're like no,

791
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: like this doesn't work. The private companies are late. I

792
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: think they were late like ten thousand plus times in

793
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 4: one year in Las Vegas. Their response time tends to

794
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: be less than the actual fire department or EMS is.

795
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: It's just not as it's just not as preferable. And

796
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: the reason why ambulance private ambulance services came about or

797
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: became widespread, this idea that you should just privatize everything

798
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: and then that competition will keep everything going. And that

799
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: hasn't necessarily panned out to be the case. And from

800
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: what I see, New York is actually scaling back on theirs, right.

801
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Juliani is one of the people that

802
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 3: really tried, and of course, you know, no surprise given

803
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: his politics, trying to privatize the industry. But apparently a

804
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: lot of those had gone bankrupt basically, yeah, and that

805
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: during the during the housing boom, the financial collapse. Strangely,

806
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: or maybe not strangely, because I don't understand it, a

807
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: lot of private equity firms started buying up ambulance services.

808
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's there, you go, there's the downfall.

809
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: It's just so interesting.

810
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: I know that this is one of those where someone's

811
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: gonna knock our socks off with a great email.

812
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think Also one more thing about the private

813
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 4: ambulance services. It's not like they're just a bad idea

814
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: all around. Sure, in a locale that is underserved, if

815
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: a company wants to come and set up ambulance services,

816
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 4: that would be great for that area. Yeah, because they

817
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 4: have a far you know they have They can get

818
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 4: places faster in an ambulance than they could have before

819
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: in a place where you've got your EMS overstretched in

820
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 4: the counties, Like, no, we're not hiring a single additional

821
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: EMS worker. A company that sets up shop can actually

822
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: take up the slack Like there are good aspects to it.

823
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: Like it's not just like some terrible idea, but in

824
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: practice that hasn't worked out as well as as one

825
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: would hope from what I understand. Yeah, yeah, EMS workers

826
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: like email us like explain this because I really like you.

827
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: I do not get who's footing the bill. It has

828
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 4: to be insurance companies, and then if you don't have insurance,

829
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: it has to be just the person, the individual.

830
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we have. We waded into the

831
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Speaker 3: waters of doing a nine to one to one podcast

832
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: once and didn't. Isn't that correct? Because it was. I mean,

833
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: we'll do it at some point, but I remember thinking, oh,

834
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Speaker 3: that's a good, easy ish one and it ended up

835
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Speaker 3: like being super convoluted.

836
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I think we should do that. We

837
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: shoul should also do just eers in general too.

838
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

839
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: So that's a bit about paramedics. Sounds like there's way

840
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: more to it, right, Yeah, but you got anything else

841
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 4: for now, no, sir? Okay, Well, since Chuck said no, sir,

842
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: it's time for listening to maw all right.

843
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this we helped the dude win something.

844
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

845
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: I love this one.

846
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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, been listening to your show for about four

847
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: years and always wanted to write in, But now I

848
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: have a great reason. A local store was doing a

849
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: giveaway a few days ago, and they posted that the

850
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: first people to show up and answer correctly would win

851
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: a prize. The question was bacon and eggs was not

852
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: always a breakfast food and what year did it become so,

853
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: and who was the man behind the marketing idea. So

854
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: this guy sounded super excited because he knew the answer. Immediately,

855
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: I thought of your show and the uncanny ability of

856
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: mister Edward Burne's to pop up in seemingly strange histories.

857
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: I remembered your pr episode and knew it was sometime

858
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Speaker 3: in the twenties. So I hopped in my car and

859
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: took off for the business. When I got there, I

860
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: told him the answer with a startled look. They told

861
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: me I'd want a huge case of meat, and not

862
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: just junkie stuff either. This play sales to restaurants and

863
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: businesses all across the country.

864
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Speaker 4: I love that.

865
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Speaker 1: I was super stoked. Good meat.

866
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Speaker 4: He's like I won meat, and not just like terrible meat,

867
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 4: like good stuff too.

868
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Speaker 3: When they asked if I had to look it up,

869
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Speaker 3: I told them no, that I listened to stuff you

870
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Speaker 3: should know, and they retained it in the back of

871
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: my mind. They asked for the name of the show,

872
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Speaker 3: and they said they were going to play it for

873
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: all the workers there during the day, so now they

874
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: can get more difficult.

875
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Speaker 1: And random questions.

876
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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

877
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Speaker 1: And he said it doesn't in there.

878
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Speaker 3: I went back later in the week and the same

879
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: girl i'd spoken to recognized me. So they had two

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Speaker 3: other people come in that had known the answer from

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Speaker 3: stuff you should know as well. All right, even though

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Speaker 3: we live in super rural Utah, you apparently have a

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Speaker 3: large following. And that is from John Robson.

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Speaker 4: Thanks John Robison. I hope you have a health the

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Speaker 4: EMS service out there to come find you after you

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Speaker 4: eat that box of meat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, let's hear from Salt Lake

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Speaker 3: City because we have debated a live show there and

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Speaker 3: just didn't know if we had the support.

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Speaker 1: So I want to hear it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we want to hear we want to hear

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Speaker 4: from Utah in's and EMS workers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if we get ten people that email us and

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Speaker 3: say to come to Salt Lake City will come.

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Speaker 4: I think we should set the bar higher than that.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, Well, if you want to let us

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Speaker 4: know that you're from Utah and you want us to come,

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Speaker 4: or you're an EMS worker and you've got some good

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