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Speaker 1: Okay, So we just finished the stirring conclusion there of
Speaker 1: Tim Walls versus JD.
Speaker 2: Van.
Speaker 3: I guess i'll give my my overall top line thoughts.
Speaker 1: Obviously, on the gate, Timwall's super nervous, very obviously very nervous.
Speaker 1: And then as he sort of as the debate went on,
Speaker 1: he got a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 3: Also, I think he was very uncomfortable on.
Speaker 1: Foreign policy, which is something that was kind of anticipated
Speaker 1: as a governor.
Speaker 3: He was like, very nervous. Mine doesn't have to say
Speaker 3: control you ever.
Speaker 4: Hear over here and that's where the debates started, yes,
Speaker 4: And that's.
Speaker 3: Where the debate started. So he was very very shaky ground.
Speaker 1: He had a really bad answer on the whole China
Speaker 1: Tanam and square thing. That was probably the low point
Speaker 1: for him going into the final minutes. You know, I
Speaker 1: was planning to come out here and say, you know,
Speaker 1: for sure I thought Jad got the better of him.
Speaker 3: And then we got to January.
Speaker 1: Sixth, and I think probably the moment that is going
Speaker 1: to get replayed the most and was the most compelling
Speaker 1: through the whole thing was JD being unable to say
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden won the election. And in a very
Speaker 1: obvious way, you know, he just he gets asked directly
Speaker 1: by Tim Walls, and he said and says, we're focused
Speaker 1: on the future. And Walls goes in and says, well,
Speaker 1: that was a damning non answer. And I think that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's the moment that, out of everything, is
Speaker 1: probably going to get the most traction.
Speaker 5: Is there any pragmatic case that you could possibly concoct
Speaker 5: that there's some voter who just really wants him to
Speaker 5: keep saying that he won the election? Well, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: his name is Doc, but no, no, no, I mean Trump himself,
Speaker 5: like Trump obviously dictated that JD. Vans say what he's saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right. And then look, this is the problem.
Speaker 2: And I think that the debate performance highlights the strength
Speaker 2: and the weakness of the Trump Vans ticket, which with
Speaker 2: Vance there at the time, I thought Vance Amy Walters
Speaker 2: put this best. She goes Vance actually is trying to
Speaker 2: talk to swing voters on every controversial issue. I thought
Speaker 2: his abortion answer is the best answer that a GOP
Speaker 2: politician has given since the fall of Row, where he's
Speaker 2: basically like, look, we failed, we need to win your
Speaker 2: trust back. We're pro family. It's heartbreaking. He's like almost
Speaker 2: tearing up talking about somebody knows who had an abortion
Speaker 2: aka compassion on housing, on many of the other issues
Speaker 2: he would say, I understand where you're coming from. He
Speaker 2: basically defended Obamacare. I thought he hit it very well effectively.
Speaker 2: Did like endorsed like healthcare for pre existence. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's incredible stuff here, right, we're talking about family in general.
Speaker 2: He's very very comfortable. This is where all the way
Speaker 2: up until the election answer and the truth is is
Speaker 2: that there's no good answer on that election whenever you're
Speaker 2: the vice presidential nominee on the Trump Vance ticket. So
Speaker 2: what do we say? I'd say eighty seven eighty eight,
Speaker 2: almost ninety minutes of a very very good performance for him, Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, Crystal. The media is going to
Speaker 2: plow play that one up. You guys are gonna be
Speaker 2: hearing it all goddamn day long from CNN, MSNBC and
Speaker 2: everywhere else. And look, I was gonna say, at the
Speaker 2: same time, it is justified us because one of the
Speaker 2: main questions is around this quote unquote like extremism. And
Speaker 2: one of the things I thought that JD very effectively
Speaker 2: did was not appear extreme on all the issues that
Speaker 2: they have been attacking them, on immigration, on abortion, or
Speaker 2: any of these, especially where there's a huge delta between
Speaker 2: where the Trump vance position is on a particular issue
Speaker 2: and then where public polling is, say abortion. So Trump
Speaker 2: obviously had a horrible answer on abortion and a horrible
Speaker 2: night there on jan six and democracy, etc. Or whatever.
Speaker 2: He also had bad answers there. Jad I think probably
Speaker 2: did the best he could do. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: still think that he won to be honest, I mean,
Speaker 2: I thought that Walls, I'm biased obviously putting that out
Speaker 2: on the table, but I don't think Walls came across
Speaker 2: like in any like in a particularly strong way with
Speaker 2: the China answer, which I thought was bad in general.
Speaker 2: I just thought he was nervous. Like one of the
Speaker 2: better things for him is he's supposed to be relatable.
Speaker 2: He kind of got there, definitely came.
Speaker 3: Across as he definitely wasn't.
Speaker 2: The you know, Republicans wouldn't to me.
Speaker 1: Republicans have a caricature of him as being like super weird,
Speaker 1: like you know, like a freakish kind of character. And
Speaker 1: I think he came across as very midwestern nice.
Speaker 2: He came to me as like stiff as a boy.
Speaker 2: Here's the I'm like, dude, he was not good at this.
Speaker 1: Too midwestern nice because he didn't. There was too much
Speaker 1: like yes, I agree with you, and I know people
Speaker 1: like to see that, but you are supposed to make
Speaker 1: a contrast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that he came across as the
Speaker 4: sounds silly, but as vice presidential, and when you're as
Speaker 4: a vice presidential candidate, you actually really have to come
Speaker 4: across as presidential because that's what's in the back of
Speaker 4: everybody's mind is like, well, if something happens to the president,
Speaker 4: especially right now, would this person make a good president.
Speaker 4: I thought Walls had a good night. I thought JD
Speaker 4: had a very good night. But interestingly, JD on that
Speaker 4: last exchange about democracy, knowing that it's a vulnerability for him,
Speaker 4: pivoted to censorship and pivoted, and he didn't say Dems
Speaker 4: are the real threat to democracy. He said the issue
Speaker 4: or the argument that this is only a Republican problem
Speaker 4: is wrong because Dems want to violate all of these
Speaker 4: norms with censorship. He didn't say, you know, basically, the
Speaker 4: Dems are the ones that are trying to lock up
Speaker 4: political opponents Banana Republic.
Speaker 2: He didn't do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't mention any of the court cases against
Speaker 4: Donald Trump unless I missed that.
Speaker 2: It really was him.
Speaker 4: Trying to say there are well he was and trying
Speaker 4: to say this, but he basically, rather than saying the
Speaker 4: problem is only with the dumbs, he kind of conceded
Speaker 4: problems on both sides.
Speaker 3: He didn't say it.
Speaker 4: He didn't say it, but he said.
Speaker 2: He said something to that effect. Look, I think he
Speaker 2: did the best he can. What the are you supposed
Speaker 2: to do? Like, I'm serious, Like when you work for
Speaker 2: the guy, what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, that's the reason he got the job, right,
Speaker 1: is because he said because he said, I would not
Speaker 1: have done what Mike Pence did, like that's the whole
Speaker 1: reason he's there, and so.
Speaker 5: He's there to be the bullwark against the deep state.
Speaker 5: He can't start acknowledging that the deep state was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, yeah, it's it's devastating, but there's
Speaker 1: also he is. He put himself in that corner like
Speaker 1: that was part of that was the agreement he made
Speaker 1: when he decided to be on this try to be
Speaker 1: on this ticket, was that he would give that answer
Speaker 1: right there and never admit that Trump actually lost.
Speaker 2: I mean you have to Again, they're calculus. I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily agree with it is that you have to do this. No,
Speaker 2: for them, it's like, listen, we have to go along
Speaker 2: with this so we can get all this other nice
Speaker 2: stuff into the Republican Party. Again, I don't necessarily agree
Speaker 2: with that. Any advance mindset, mindset, a.
Speaker 3: Mind ends justify the means.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we have a two party system. We have
Speaker 2: this guy named Donald Trump is at the top of
Speaker 2: the ticket. A lot of crazy says a lot of
Speaker 2: crazy shit that his supporters basically think he's a god
Speaker 2: and believe whatever he has to say. We have a
Speaker 2: certain number of policy positions that we want to move
Speaker 2: the Republican party on. He seems amenable generally to that
Speaker 2: because he just doesn't about any of that. So what
Speaker 2: do we say, we have to go up there and
Speaker 2: we say, yeah, I'm focused on the future. Well, stok,
Speaker 2: do I love it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But listen, and you know, like if you look at
Speaker 2: the policy level, like this, this, and this about where
Speaker 2: things are, compare this vice presidential debate to the vice
Speaker 2: presidential debate of what twelve years ago, almost exactly to
Speaker 2: the date on Paul Ryan, where we're talking about repealing
Speaker 2: all Obamacare, we're basically talking about free trade. We had
Speaker 2: a vice presidential debate canon or vice president Republican Cannon
Speaker 2: endorsing paid family leave. But the id yet.
Speaker 1: But that's the other part of it is like none
Speaker 1: of that is Donald Trump's policy.
Speaker 2: But that's the point. He doesn't have policy maybe.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is like, you know, that's part
Speaker 1: of what's so weird is jd Vance is up there
Speaker 1: like freelancing what he might do if he was president,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to be president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no indication. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, he'll be an influencer at the very least, how.
Speaker 1: Has he been an influence on You know, he floated
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars child tax credit and Trump was basically like, no,
Speaker 1: and maybe he should maybe he should veto a national
Speaker 1: abortion ban, and Trump was like no.
Speaker 2: When Donald Trump, if he's nd Trump wins the presidency
Speaker 2: and the tax bill comes up for negotiation and Jady's
Speaker 2: in the vice presidential chair and perhaps gets to negotiate
Speaker 2: some of that, or being Trump's year, then I think
Speaker 2: we have a better chance of getting that done than not. Listen. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't even necessarily agree with this whole. We have
Speaker 2: to say the election stuff was still because it pisses
Speaker 2: off a lot of people, And why don't you say
Speaker 2: actual voters go ahead, Why.
Speaker 5: Don't just answer legally speaking, Biden's president and won the
Speaker 5: election through.
Speaker 2: The league, and you yeah, because they don't believe. Look
Speaker 2: and this is again the problem for them. So like
Speaker 2: it's an end justify the means position. Again, I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily agree with it. I think he gave a fantastic performance.
Speaker 2: I think in general, Tim Walls basically didn't. Tim Walls,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, did not come across with the rock
Speaker 2: star energy or whatever that a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we didn't, we didn't come came in
Speaker 1: that coming in that he had said he was a
Speaker 1: poor debator. And I think they were honest about that.
Speaker 1: I do think, yeah, I do think, you know, they
Speaker 1: weren't just expectation setting.
Speaker 3: He really is uncomfortable in that role. I will say.
Speaker 1: I thought as he went like, I thought he was
Speaker 1: very good on abortion. I disagree with you guys that
Speaker 1: Jade Vance gave a good answer on abortion, by the.
Speaker 3: Way you can get to that.
Speaker 1: But I thought he gave a very good answer on abortion.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good on climate change. I thought
Speaker 1: he was, you know, good as oh, on housing. He
Speaker 1: was very comfortable. In healthcare, he was very comfortable. So
Speaker 1: it was kind of as things got into his wheelhouse
Speaker 1: and the night wore on that he got a lot
Speaker 1: more comfortable and did fine in the light. I thought
Speaker 1: the later stages were like a draw until you got
Speaker 1: to the democracy part, which is a disaster for Advance.
Speaker 3: On abortion.
Speaker 1: What JD did is he said, he said, basically like
Speaker 1: people are right to not trust my party on this issue.
Speaker 1: And I mean, maybe it feels honest, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that that's a great way to handle it, because
Speaker 1: imagine if you were Kamala Hair watching Kamala Harris say,
Speaker 1: you guys are right to.
Speaker 3: Not trust us on immigration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we I mean, but how would you feel
Speaker 2: about that immigration.
Speaker 1: Abortion and they're all as full of shit on abortion
Speaker 1: to admit, like, yeah, basically, my party kind of sucks
Speaker 1: on this issue. And also the other thing that just
Speaker 1: bothers me is this is one of the areas and
Speaker 1: there were a few areas like this with JD where
Speaker 1: he is very slippery on that he claimed he never
Speaker 1: won a national abortion band. That's not true. We all
Speaker 1: know that he has very strident views that he is
Speaker 1: just tossed to the side again in the name of
Speaker 1: like you know, pandering and trying to appeal to what
Speaker 1: he thinks Donald Trump wants him to say at this point.
Speaker 1: So in any case, it didn't land with me as
Speaker 1: such a great answer to acknowledge that basically, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my party sucks on this issue, So what are.
Speaker 3: You going to do.
Speaker 2: But if you are a swing boater, who again this
Speaker 2: comes back to the swing thing. If you're swingy and
Speaker 2: you are pissed about immigration, but you're a woman and
Speaker 2: you care a lot about abortion, hearing somebody be honest
Speaker 2: with you about that, maybe that enhances the trust.
Speaker 6: Look.
Speaker 2: Part of the problem too is JD is not at
Speaker 2: the top of the ticket. I think he's a far
Speaker 2: more effective messenger for a lot of the things that
Speaker 2: Trump allegedly believes in than Donald Trump is. And if anything,
Speaker 2: you should see that from tonight about what this actually
Speaker 2: looks like whenever it's articulated properly. Now the issue on abortion, though,
Speaker 2: is if you're trying to win some of these swinger voters,
Speaker 2: I think that's the best that you can possibly get.
Speaker 2: And in a sense, that's the immigration example you gave
Speaker 2: is the perfect one. Kamala literally did change your answer
Speaker 2: on abortion or on immigration, and all of us know it,
Speaker 2: including people who are even voting on immigration. And so
Speaker 2: when you point out that contrast, she just looks like
Speaker 2: she's full of shit. As opposed to somebody saying listen,
Speaker 2: I understand, like we need to earn some of your
Speaker 2: trusts back. That actually feels authentic and honest.
Speaker 1: So you would if Kamala was like, yeah, we picked
Speaker 1: up on abortion and we need I don't think you
Speaker 1: and I think it the same way.
Speaker 2: You and I follow this day today, we do not.
Speaker 2: We are not the mean normal voter, right Like these
Speaker 2: people are like barely even paying attention. We're lucky if they.
Speaker 3: Watch, they're definitely not watching.
Speaker 2: We're lucky.
Speaker 4: Let's rule East seven to this part, because that gets
Speaker 4: to this.
Speaker 7: As a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life
Speaker 7: in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable,
Speaker 7: is that my party. We've got to do so much
Speaker 7: better of a job at earning the American people's trust
Speaker 7: back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.
Speaker 7: And I think that's one of the things that Donald
Speaker 7: Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us
Speaker 7: as a Republican party to be pro family in the
Speaker 7: fullest sense of the word. I want us to support
Speaker 7: fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for
Speaker 7: moms to afford to have babies. I want it to
Speaker 7: make it easier for young families to afford a home
Speaker 7: so they can afford a place to raise that family.
Speaker 6: And I think there's so much.
Speaker 7: That we can do on the public policy front just
Speaker 7: to give women more options. In the state of Ohio,
Speaker 7: we had a referendum in twenty twenty three, and the
Speaker 7: people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way against my position.
Speaker 7: And I think that what I learned from that, Nora,
Speaker 7: is that we've got to do a better job at
Speaker 7: winning back people's trust. So many young women would love
Speaker 7: to have families, so many young women also see an
Speaker 7: unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood,
Speaker 7: destroy their education, destroy their relationships. And we have got
Speaker 7: to earn people's trust back. And that's why Donald Trump
Speaker 7: and I are committed to pursuing pro family policies, making
Speaker 7: childcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've
Speaker 7: got to do a better job at that.
Speaker 6: And that's what real leadership is.
Speaker 5: What I missed in the middle there, though, is what's
Speaker 5: his policy, Like, what's.
Speaker 4: The because he was asked by the moderator whether he
Speaker 4: supports a national abortion ban, and he said, no, I
Speaker 4: don't support a national abortion ban.
Speaker 5: But what is the if that's the Republican abortion like messaging,
Speaker 5: what is it conveying besides the fact that.
Speaker 2: What it's conveying is that yes, we're going to restrict
Speaker 2: abortion like like brass tacks, We're going to restrict abortion
Speaker 2: at whatever six weeks. But we're going to massively increase
Speaker 2: social statemy.
Speaker 3: But that's not true.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, that's what it's conveying.
Speaker 3: I didn't is that the thing is. I listen to
Speaker 3: that and I'm like, okay, well when.
Speaker 5: They said then he say no, Yeah, he said no.
Speaker 4: And I think that's it's It's sort of like the
Speaker 4: democracy question.
Speaker 2: It's kind of the best he can do within.
Speaker 4: The parameters of the party and the parameters of his
Speaker 4: own belief because I.
Speaker 2: Don't think it's under Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we still don't know what the national abortion band policy
Speaker 1: is because that's.
Speaker 2: The National Abortion Band truth.
Speaker 1: During the debate, Trump got asked about it and said
Speaker 1: he hadn't talked to j D about it, and then
Speaker 1: j D said, but I mean, here's this is the
Speaker 1: thing is like, Okay, after versus Wade was overturned, there
Speaker 1: was this whole conversation on the ride about like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now we really got to do the pro like we
Speaker 1: got to really live up to the profily thing bullshit
Speaker 1: like bullshit that he talks about ivy F.
Speaker 3: He didn't even show up for the IVF vote. That
Speaker 3: they had to pass the.
Speaker 1: Voters, and that's the thing. And Okay, child to credit.
Speaker 1: Maybe if Jadie Vance is going to be president, maybe
Speaker 1: that'd be a priority. Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 3: But is his running mate talking about that? No? Is
Speaker 3: his running mate talking about affordable childcare?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Is this running mate talking about doing any of this.
Speaker 1: Did he do any of it when he was president
Speaker 1: of the United States?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: So you know, I get what he's trying to do there,
Speaker 1: but it's just not backed by a reality within the
Speaker 1: Republican party.
Speaker 3: Child to ask credit. When it came up for a vote,
Speaker 3: how many Republicans voted for it? What too?
Speaker 4: What's interesting about that is a bunch of red states,
Speaker 4: as you were saying, you have the anti abortion and
Speaker 4: pro lifers talking about how it's now is the time
Speaker 4: to put your money where your mouth is and to
Speaker 4: be pro family.
Speaker 3: And what they ended up doing is.
Speaker 4: A lot of these red states passed these a suite
Speaker 4: of bills on the state level that were doing things
Speaker 4: like paying for diapers. Ronda Stantis diaid this and it
Speaker 4: was not like the points that you just raised, chrysl
Speaker 4: It wasn't about IVF, it wasn't about you.
Speaker 5: Like get a drug test before you get your diapers.
Speaker 3: Work requirement, yes.
Speaker 4: Work requirements for diapers, but that's like trying to make
Speaker 4: one thing you hear about a lot is making birth free.
Speaker 4: And it was sort of like natalist wonky policies, but
Speaker 4: it wasn't things like IBF.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, we have to be honest about where
Speaker 2: we are. Most of the Republican Party doesn't support that.
Speaker 2: JD does support that. Now it does Trump support it?
Speaker 2: No idea? All right, I don't think he supports go
Speaker 2: to whatever position you're in now. In terms of what
Speaker 2: you just said, I think it's a pretty effective counter
Speaker 2: to why you should probably vote for Kamala if that's
Speaker 2: your number one thing. But he's trying, I think, to
Speaker 2: speak to more swing state voters, and to the extent
Speaker 2: that he's speaking for himself, I can genuinely tell you
Speaker 2: that that's what he believes. Now, does that mean that
Speaker 2: it's going to happen under Donald Trump administration? No, don't
Speaker 2: take that to the bank, considering what happened the first
Speaker 2: time around. And so his strongest moments, I thought were
Speaker 2: where he was genuinely explaining both his own belief connecting
Speaker 2: it to his different vision from where traditional Republicans stand
Speaker 2: and then trying to fuse that onto trump Ism. If anything,
Speaker 2: you could see that as the project that he undertook
Speaker 2: whenever he became a United States Senator and now as
Speaker 2: the vice president under Donald Trump. The correct counter to
Speaker 2: that is, will any of that happen? At best? Probably
Speaker 2: twenty five percent, if we're all being honest. Is that
Speaker 2: better than twenty five percent or whatever of Mike Pencism
Speaker 2: or one hundred percent of Kamala Harris being in the
Speaker 2: White House. That's for other people to decide. But that's
Speaker 2: why I thought it was a very strong performance. In
Speaker 2: other words, what is Doug Bergham going to do up there?
Speaker 2: What is Tim Scott going to do up there? What
Speaker 2: are any of these other people? They're just mouthpiece, they're nobodies.
Speaker 2: They would have given you complete standard answers on all
Speaker 2: of this stuff. This is different, and different is interesting.
Speaker 2: Different actually gets people talking. So for that, I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, for in terms of the performance you could give,
Speaker 2: especially considering how he's been coming off more aggressive and
Speaker 2: angry in a lot of his interviews. This was at
Speaker 2: the in the beginning of the debate, I said, I
Speaker 2: hope he comes across more compassionate like the guy who
Speaker 2: ran for Senate in twenty twenty two, or more like
Speaker 2: the hillbilly elergy guy who was on CNN, MSNBC. I thought,
Speaker 2: I thought you did a very good job of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw far more of that than you
Speaker 2: did any of the angry response or in an embarrassing
Speaker 2: response like you know it's a problem.
Speaker 4: And speak of embarrassing responses, maybe we should run that
Speaker 4: one moment that Walt's had when he was pressed on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got e five when he if we
Speaker 1: have the stomach to watch.
Speaker 3: It again, yeah, this is hard to watch. Go ahead
Speaker 3: and let's take a look.
Speaker 8: Governor. Just to follow up on that, the question was
Speaker 8: can you explain the prepancy?
Speaker 9: Alls I said on this was is I got there
Speaker 9: that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
Speaker 9: that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong
Speaker 9: and China during the democracy brote, Yes went in and
Speaker 9: from that I learned a lot of what needed to
Speaker 9: be in governance.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Governor.
Speaker 1: So there's apparently he had cleaned he was in Hong
Speaker 1: Kong went.
Speaker 5: And he wasn't Yes and June he was there in August.
Speaker 3: Okay, and he said.
Speaker 5: Which you would not know from his answer because he's
Speaker 5: not even exactly he got.
Speaker 1: First, he does on this long thing about like, you
Speaker 1: know why I was in China and this, you know,
Speaker 1: cultural connection and I bring basketball teams and yeah's a
Speaker 1: guy and like I just want people to connect and whatever.
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, yeah, but why did you say
Speaker 1: that It wasn't true and I'm a knucklehead.
Speaker 3: I'm a knucklehead.
Speaker 1: And then he said something like I you know, I
Speaker 1: talk a lot, and I get caught up in the
Speaker 1: rhetoric and then it's just sort of like awkward pause.
Speaker 2: That was a miss moment. I saw my favorite quote
Speaker 2: of the night.
Speaker 4: He said, quote many times, I will talk a lot
Speaker 4: and honestly saying.
Speaker 2: I mean we're all here, yeah, living I also get
Speaker 2: caught up in the rhetoric.
Speaker 3: I mean, I got it.
Speaker 1: It was surprisingly bad because it's obviously awkward to have
Speaker 1: to admit like, yeah, I fucked up on that one.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there, said I was there.
Speaker 2: He eventually he eventually got it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, would be better if he had just said that,
Speaker 1: like I wanted.
Speaker 5: To, you know, you should have said I was it
Speaker 5: happened in June. I was there in August. It was
Speaker 5: a cooler story. It was a cooler story to say
Speaker 5: that I was there while it happened. It was kind
Speaker 5: of a lie, and I'm busted.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Ye see, that would have been the best you could
Speaker 1: do it, And that would have been fine. People would
Speaker 1: be like, all right, you know, it's telling a tall tale.
Speaker 3: A big deal.
Speaker 2: Who cares a tall tale?
Speaker 5: Because he's meaningless.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to weasel his way out of answering
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 3: Just so all right, let's hold that, like, why weren't
Speaker 3: you prepared for that?
Speaker 2: Well, actually that kind of gets before we get to that.
Speaker 2: In our audio team, they have to re export that
Speaker 2: clip because it came out with that audio also fixed
Speaker 2: in a few minutes.
Speaker 5: I'm sure being there in August is a really cool experience,
Speaker 5: and you've got a lot of the like energy from
Speaker 5: right right aftermath.
Speaker 3: And you can say that, but.
Speaker 2: Also homes during the debate, what I put out was,
Speaker 2: I was like, it's clear to me it was a
Speaker 2: mistake that Wals didn't do interviews because he was nervous
Speaker 2: and he was not practiced in being in an adversary position,
Speaker 2: and it's like, this is why you know JD was
Speaker 2: comfortable from moment one, because he's been He's done interviews
Speaker 2: with both of those women in CBS literally both of them,
Speaker 2: probably knows them personally, both when he was a senator
Speaker 2: and as a vice president with all the major networks.
Speaker 2: The only thing he wasn't prep for was that election answer.
Speaker 2: It's there's no answer.
Speaker 4: I still disagree on that because he like, from a
Speaker 4: really big picture of perspective, obviously the interviews would have
Speaker 4: helped him be smoother in the debate, but their risk aversion.
Speaker 4: I think when you have as much boosting from the
Speaker 4: media as the Harris campaign has had and as Tim
Speaker 4: Wallas has had. To your point, like he really has
Speaker 4: been hyped up by the media.
Speaker 2: Why would you even like this just blew it up?
Speaker 4: That's not really I don't think so, Like, how much
Speaker 4: do you think this matters? When people are actually making.
Speaker 2: How much it matter at all? But that's the okay,
Speaker 2: let's say to the extent that it matters. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: if you're a political junkie, I'm assuming that the polls
Speaker 2: are going to probably show that JD one uh fedya
Speaker 2: is probably going to cover that on top of whatever
Speaker 2: the clip is, you know, that looks bad for him,
Speaker 2: so maybe it's a wa so on walls. I guess
Speaker 2: to me, they built him up as the star, how
Speaker 2: good he was in media and all that, and from
Speaker 2: the very beginning I was like, oh man, I was like,
Speaker 2: he looks so nervous up there. So sure it took
Speaker 2: him a little while to get warmed up, but that
Speaker 2: initial impression stuck, especially whenever I felt like he was
Speaker 2: trying to deliver canned answers, he would give weird pauses.
Speaker 2: There was we were talking earlier when they came out,
Speaker 2: and we noticed that he immediately came to the notepad
Speaker 2: and was scribbling a lot of pre memorized stuff down
Speaker 2: so that he could read off of that. I thought
Speaker 2: that really showed, and I mean, look, he had great
Speaker 2: answers on abortion. I thought that was the strongest moment
Speaker 2: for sure. I also thought he was closing and that's
Speaker 2: good his best. So actually, I think we do have that,
Speaker 2: and hopefully the audio is correct. So fingers crossed, Uh,
Speaker 2: why don't we go to that E eight pleased control room.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play it.
Speaker 9: I think this is the conversation they want to hear,
Speaker 9: and I think there's a lot of agreement. This is
Speaker 9: one that we are miles apart on. This was a
Speaker 9: threat to our democracy in a way that we had
Speaker 9: not seen, and it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's
Speaker 9: inability to say he is still saying he didn't lose
Speaker 9: the election. I would just ask that, did he lose
Speaker 9: the twenty twenty election?
Speaker 7: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Speaker 7: Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the
Speaker 7: twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 6: That is a damning That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 6: It's a damning non answer for you to not talk
Speaker 6: about censorship.
Speaker 2: Trying to pivot to censorship on that just ain't going
Speaker 2: to work. Yeah, I mean, look, I've seen try everything.
Speaker 2: I've seen them try Pennsylvania voting law. I've seen them
Speaker 2: try Venezuela dominions. I've seen it all. That's probably as
Speaker 2: good as you're gonna get whenever you're up there. But
Speaker 2: it was bad. I mean, you know, how else can
Speaker 2: we say it was bad? Especially for Look the swing
Speaker 2: that was actually the one moment, and this is where
Speaker 2: he's so constrained by Trump, where every other time he's
Speaker 2: trying so hard with those swing voters on abortion, he's like,
Speaker 2: I hear you, you know, I feel you're paid on healthcare.
Speaker 2: I guess Christ have mercy right, show everything's compassionate of it.
Speaker 2: But with this, it's the red line for Trump. And so,
Speaker 2: like I said, this is the strength and the weakness
Speaker 2: of the Trump fanstiket and I think this is where
Speaker 2: the biggest weakness is and it emanates from the very
Speaker 2: top Donald J. Trump. And also, you know, for a
Speaker 2: lot of Republicans out there, we're always talking about how
Speaker 2: great Trump is, this is also you know, a vision
Speaker 2: of like it doesn't have to be this way of
Speaker 2: this whole like concept of a plan and uh, let's
Speaker 2: litigate our rally side is all these other disastrous like
Speaker 2: moments that are purely functions of Trump personality. But that's
Speaker 2: also where people have to be honest, and that a
Speaker 2: lot of voters, the actual Republican voters, for like, this
Speaker 2: is where we also be doing. They prefer the Trump, the.
Speaker 6: Abortion, the.
Speaker 2: So whatever the hell something like you know, the interesting nuanced.
Speaker 4: In and the only reason that JD didn't just give
Speaker 4: the sort of canned scripted pro life movement for decades.
Speaker 4: Answer on abortion is because Donald Trump is the candidate
Speaker 4: and he can't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's it's a it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean that there was a lot of.
Speaker 1: Throwing the pro life movement under the book, like by
Speaker 1: admitting our party is entrusted on abortion. And he wasn't
Speaker 1: just talking about like, oh, because we needed a child
Speaker 1: to ask credit.
Speaker 3: He was talking about abortion.
Speaker 1: And it's wild to see because he is one of
Speaker 1: those people who holds.
Speaker 3: Those very you know, like adamant.
Speaker 1: Pro life positions absolutely, and so it really, I mean,
Speaker 1: it really is quite striking to see him basically like
Speaker 1: throw that all under the bus and say, you know,
Speaker 1: and talk about the results of the referendum in Ohio
Speaker 1: and all of that.
Speaker 3: I just on the censorship thing.
Speaker 1: Because this drives me crazy, Like the idea both of
Speaker 1: the parties are pro censorship, the idea that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is your anti censorship candidate is crazy. He wants to deport,
Speaker 1: you know, propoalstanting protesters, he wants to he.
Speaker 3: Wants he wants to ban flag burning.
Speaker 1: Republicans have passed all these laws and states that okay,
Speaker 1: they're in support of antibds laws. For example, they want
Speaker 1: to pass they've passed all these laws that like you know,
Speaker 1: ban protests in certain ways or like allow people to
Speaker 1: drive their cars into protesters, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: I could go on, but just it really irritates me
Speaker 1: when people make that a point, and especially irritated me
Speaker 1: in that context when he's just like blatantly trying to
Speaker 1: shift the conversation from something he was.
Speaker 2: Look, he's doing what he's got to do. And so
Speaker 2: it's like when Tim Walltz gets asked about immigration. Yet, Tim,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure you really strongly feel about a
Speaker 2: strong border bill, like get out of here. But this
Speaker 2: is the game they might I don't know.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I think they.
Speaker 2: Might don't think speak I mean speaking of Israel.
Speaker 4: So they start well, and so they started off with
Speaker 4: a very like sober tone and question about what had
Speaker 4: happened in Israel between Israel and Ron just today. And
Speaker 4: Vance had a pretty good moment early on. He seemed
Speaker 4: more comfortable to dim Walls, and he talked about you know,
Speaker 4: Walls calling Trump quote an agent of chaos. I'm a
Speaker 4: control and I'm queuing up clip E one to just
Speaker 4: see how the debate started and how Vance seemed to
Speaker 4: be on a pretty comfortable ground when he was talking
Speaker 4: about what was transpiring throughout the world. Let's roll e
Speaker 4: one so you can get a flavor.
Speaker 2: Of how it all started.
Speaker 7: Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember
Speaker 7: that as much as Governor Waltz just accused Donald Trump
Speaker 7: of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered
Speaker 7: stability in the world, and he did it by establishing
Speaker 7: a effective deterrence people were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran,
Speaker 7: which launched this attack, has received over one hundred billion
Speaker 7: dollars in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
Speaker 6: What do they use that money for?
Speaker 7: They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching
Speaker 7: against our allies and god forbid, potentially launching against the
Speaker 7: United States as well. Donald Trump recognized that for people
Speaker 7: to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
Speaker 6: They needed to.
Speaker 7: Recognize that if they got out of line, the United
Speaker 7: States global leadership would put stability and peace back in
Speaker 7: the world. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret,
Speaker 7: and I want to answer the question. Look, it is
Speaker 7: up to Israel what they think they need to do
Speaker 7: to keep their country safe, and we should support our
Speaker 7: allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
Speaker 7: I think that's the right approach to take with the
Speaker 7: Israel question.
Speaker 2: So, I mean that was we kind of predicted it
Speaker 2: from the top, where like, how is are they going
Speaker 2: to answer the Israel question? I was like, JD's just
Speaker 2: going to say it didn't happen. Will Trump was an
Speaker 2: office and it is a compelling point, and that's what
Speaker 2: a lot of people have to say, you know. The
Speaker 2: other thing I was thinking about, you know, because we
Speaker 2: were talking about like, oh, parsing all of these things,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, normal people, you know, they're
Speaker 2: not even barely following any of this to the extent
Speaker 2: that any of them watched it. And I will be
Speaker 2: very curious actually for the ratings, because I don't know,
Speaker 2: what do you guys think. Do you think it'll be high?
Speaker 2: I kind of think it will be only be higher
Speaker 2: than normal for VP debates, only because this is the
Speaker 2: very last political debate. But I could also see it
Speaker 2: being a dud in general. They only watched for ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes statistically, in that time that's where you
Speaker 2: know JD both was comfortable, Walts was very nervous. And
Speaker 2: because the Israel question and the Iran war question, I
Speaker 2: mean we began our whole stream with almost an hour
Speaker 2: on the topic. It is the most consequential thing happening
Speaker 2: right now. And if Biden and Kamala by proxy as
Speaker 2: number two on the ticket, do allow a major war
Speaker 2: to break out in the Middle East with US involvement,
Speaker 2: that is going to be even more compelling. And you'll
Speaker 2: probably hear that a lot as well. On the campaign trail.
Speaker 5: Looks like our own ratings were down about half from
Speaker 5: the presidential oh hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was not very Trump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the.
Speaker 2: High highest rating actually has ever been for a vice pretential.
Speaker 4: Well, don't say it's the highest points has ever been,
Speaker 4: because we don't know how high.
Speaker 6: Ryan has.
Speaker 5: Walls's answer. But Walls's answer on the Iran Israel question. Now,
Speaker 5: partly he was nervous coming into it, yes, but also
Speaker 5: he seems to have utterly no interest in the issue.
Speaker 1: He kept mixing up Iran and it.
Speaker 5: Was Kamala has her ten to seven lines completely memorized.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was just like pawing at fourteen hundred.
Speaker 5: Like the fourteen hundred was a giveaway because.
Speaker 3: It's like that's not even the right now.
Speaker 5: That was that was the first week number before they
Speaker 5: were like, oh, actually two hundred of those were like
Speaker 5: Hamas militants that we like incinerated when we launched the
Speaker 5: Hannibal directive on the people, you know, flowing back into
Speaker 5: into Gaza. So it's actually twelve hundreds. He like, so
Speaker 5: he basically has no interest whatsoever in this, which undermines
Speaker 5: my own little pet theory. When I heard that he'd
Speaker 5: been to China like twenty five times, yeah, I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: has this guy been like groomed by the agency for
Speaker 5: a very long time?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think no, because if he had been, he would have, oh,
Speaker 5: he'd be able to articulate something on this issue. He
Speaker 5: just had nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think he was authentically completely ignorant.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's really like Chinese over here. Huh Oh that's true,
Speaker 2: of course. Yeah. I didn't didn't think about that. One
Speaker 2: of the telegraph things that we had got that was
Speaker 2: that JD wanted to hit him on stolen valor, which
Speaker 2: was a big thing. That would have been the moment
Speaker 2: be like, oh, did you also misspeak whenever you said
Speaker 2: you carried weapons of war or whatever, and he didn't
Speaker 2: bring that up. He also didn't bring it up in
Speaker 2: the gun section. So that was noteworthy to me in
Speaker 2: that I was going in. I expected that to be
Speaker 2: a thing. It was one of the first things that
Speaker 2: the Trump campaign went with. Clearly, either the polling shows
Speaker 2: that it doesn't work or they just decided to drop it.
Speaker 2: In general, the strategy from JD and actually from Tim
Speaker 2: Walls on both of them was they weren't really talking
Speaker 2: about the other. If anything, there was, like you said,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of icies between the two, like
Speaker 2: I agree with this governor, I agree with the center,
Speaker 2: but Kamala, Like the heated rhetoric was for Kamala from
Speaker 2: Jady and for Trump from I think I'm smart.
Speaker 1: I actually think I think from JD's perspective it was smart.
Speaker 1: I think it was the right strategy because Tim Walls
Speaker 1: does come across as like just kind of a nice
Speaker 1: guy and very normal and very yeah, and so if
Speaker 1: you're out there like viciously attacking him, I don't know
Speaker 1: that that would have And so I think I think
Speaker 1: JD had a different goal, which was to make himself
Speaker 1: a little more like, you know, soften some of the edges,
Speaker 1: be a little more conciliatory, you know, reach out. And
Speaker 1: I think he accomplished that, right. I think he came
Speaker 1: across as much more approachable and much more likable than
Speaker 1: he's come across in like the cable news exchanges or
Speaker 1: when he's on you know, making up lies about Haitia
Speaker 1: pets and even on the rally.
Speaker 2: Stage didn't hit him on that. He brought it up
Speaker 2: a little a little bit.
Speaker 1: Because he talked about how state law enforcement was having
Speaker 1: to escore little kids into the classroom and don't want Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he did go in, but he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: go into.
Speaker 2: Hard right, he didn't do any like why won't you
Speaker 2: apolog which I was expecting what he did on the
Speaker 2: election to do to do the same thing on Springfield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked, And I think I think if
Speaker 1: you had a different candidate than Walls, I think it
Speaker 1: would have been the right strategy to be more a
Speaker 1: pressive towards j D because I think it would have
Speaker 1: thrown him off. You could have gotten under his skin
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just don't think the Walls really
Speaker 1: has that in him, Like I just don't think that that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a role he could really pull off.
Speaker 1: I mean he was struggling to pull off the role
Speaker 1: that you know of just trying to like be not
Speaker 1: nervous and articulate.
Speaker 3: His views in a forceful position.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think he picked up a
Speaker 1: lot of steam as the debate went on and was
Speaker 1: fine towards like got strong towards the end of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't I don't think he has that
Speaker 1: like attack dog thing that was.
Speaker 2: Clear, I mean constantly just saying oh, I agree, it's
Speaker 2: actually funny. A lot of liberals are very mad at
Speaker 2: Tim Walls for that, Like, let me find this.
Speaker 5: You would have been of each other.
Speaker 2: It would absolutely thank God for just America's sake that
Speaker 2: that didn't happen, because so it would have been insufferable.
Speaker 2: The Obama asked stuff here. David from tweeted this out.
Speaker 2: He said, Vance is going home tonight with Waltz's wallet.
Speaker 2: Vance didn't even have to snatch it. Walst just handed
Speaker 2: it over, along with a bunch of unearned compliments to
Speaker 2: Vance's fine character. So I mean people are mad, And
Speaker 2: actually David replied to it with an article he wrote
Speaker 2: about how Walls should have tried to get JD Off
Speaker 2: basically get under his skin, yeah, and try and make
Speaker 2: him thin skinned. And I think I do.
Speaker 1: I think he's right that would have been a better strategy.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that Wall's cop.
Speaker 2: Doesn't have any He's just not that guy and you
Speaker 2: know so.
Speaker 1: And he apparently advertised this upfront to Kamala in the
Speaker 1: vetting process. I now do not think that that was
Speaker 1: bullshit or expectations.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was wondering definitely upfront, like this is really not
Speaker 3: my thing.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because part of because he was so
Speaker 1: good in those few cable news interviews before he got pitched,
Speaker 1: I was like, is it really not your thing?
Speaker 3: But it is different. A cable news interview is a
Speaker 3: different from me.
Speaker 2: Well maybe for Democrats because they never get challenged on anything.
Speaker 2: But if you're a Republican, it's basically like training because
Speaker 2: you're just constantly hitting a like conventional wisdom and having
Speaker 2: that's true, that.
Speaker 1: It's true that it is a related skill, but it
Speaker 1: is not exactly the same. You know, like a debate,
Speaker 1: you were a debate a debate for you? Were that
Speaker 1: a debate bro, if you're wondering on state champions, no
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 2: Lost to a kid in a wheelchair. The story definitely
Speaker 2: lost because he was in a wheelchair. But it's cool.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it isn't It is a little bit different,
Speaker 1: like being up on the stage and the format and
Speaker 1: the length of it and all of that stuff. It
Speaker 1: is different, and so clearly like the comfort he has
Speaker 1: with the cable news hit does not translate over to
Speaker 1: you know, a comfortable uh feel on a debate state.
Speaker 5: These debate finals are on YouTube anywhere.
Speaker 2: I wish he actually would. I still if I had
Speaker 2: a tape of it, I would.
Speaker 3: You don't have the tape.
Speaker 4: The debate, the format making people nervous, not making people nervous.
Speaker 4: The big story that everyone was talking about after the
Speaker 4: last debate was the moderators.
Speaker 2: It was a huge coat for Republicans.
Speaker 4: As much as I dis liked the moderators there, I
Speaker 4: can one hundred percent agree with that. Now this time
Speaker 4: they were more like the CNN Dana Bash Jake Tapper
Speaker 4: approach and the presidential debate between Trump and Biden. At
Speaker 4: the same time, there was one First of all, I
Speaker 4: think Crystal and I at least agreed.
Speaker 2: They were awkward.
Speaker 4: The Nora O'Donnell mart Brennan Perring was awkward.
Speaker 3: Listen, we know great female chemistry and that's how I
Speaker 3: that was not it?
Speaker 2: How you do I think I think they hate each other.
Speaker 2: That has to be it. There's got to be something
Speaker 2: else there was. There was tension. Yeah, they didn't do
Speaker 2: a bit. Also, the fact checking was so bizarre because
Speaker 2: why did they say we're not going to fact check.
Speaker 2: If you're not, then don't.
Speaker 6: But then don't do it.
Speaker 2: They literally did pre fact check and then they cut
Speaker 2: a freaking microph we have.
Speaker 6: This is E four.
Speaker 4: This was one of the most uncomfortable moments after the
Speaker 4: China moment. What's rule E four here?
Speaker 8: Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers', Springfield,
Speaker 8: Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who
Speaker 8: have legal status temporary protected Mara, Thank you, Senator.
Speaker 2: We have so much to get to Margaret. I think
Speaker 2: it's important to turn out of the economy.
Speaker 6: Thanks Margaret.
Speaker 7: The rules were that you got to be in a
Speaker 7: fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think
Speaker 7: it's important to say what's actually going on.
Speaker 6: So there's an application called.
Speaker 7: The CBP one app where you can go on as
Speaker 7: an illegal migrant, apply for a silent and be granted
Speaker 7: legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open
Speaker 7: border wand that is not a person coming in applying
Speaker 7: for a green cart and waiting for ten years.
Speaker 6: Thank you, senatoration of a legal immigration Margaret Bye.
Speaker 8: Thank you senator for describing the legal process.
Speaker 9: Have so much to get to the senator so much
Speaker 9: a book since nineteen ninety, Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 6: We want to have that app has not been on
Speaker 6: the books.
Speaker 8: Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
Speaker 8: We have so much we want to get to. Thank
Speaker 8: you for explaining the legal process.
Speaker 2: Okay, so and again they didn't show you this. But
Speaker 2: the reason that he started talking was because they had
Speaker 2: fact checking. What did they say on climate change?
Speaker 4: Ryan?
Speaker 2: That is true? But I mean, I don't even think
Speaker 2: he even said anything.
Speaker 5: But nobody disagreed with that he said for the sake
Speaker 5: of argument, right, But okay, even then it was like
Speaker 5: why did you say that?
Speaker 6: It was like that's so.
Speaker 5: Odd because they expected that he would deny it, and
Speaker 5: they had it pre written. I think that's oh, I like.
Speaker 2: That insider, if that's true, and tell us the truth.
Speaker 3: I don't know that this is like, you know, the
Speaker 3: biggest it's not as bad.
Speaker 1: Bombshell, But I do think when you're up there as
Speaker 1: a candidate complaining like you promised you wouldn't call out I,
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't fact check, both from a process standpoint
Speaker 1: and also you're kind of giving up the game of like,
Speaker 1: you know, but I planned to, like I had these
Speaker 1: lives planned, and now you're calling me out on them.
Speaker 3: It's not It's true.
Speaker 2: It was a good play for him, for him because
Speaker 2: he gets to attack the I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: a normal person watching that wouldn't think, like, what the
Speaker 2: hell is going on here with these two? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: Well, they handled it so poorly and no O'donnald and
Speaker 4: Mark it just handled it very poorly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thing is like, yeah, after then
Speaker 1: they're getting into a back and forth that may have
Speaker 1: actually been.
Speaker 2: Interesting, that actually could have been good, and then they
Speaker 2: cut it down for no mic and then it's just
Speaker 2: really passive aggressive thank you for explaining the legal process.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Yeah, it was like that was
Speaker 2: that was bad. Do you have any other clips that
Speaker 2: we want to go over? I mean, we had a.
Speaker 1: Couple of others there, but I think that's that's Those
Speaker 1: were the main one. I think the biggest moments were
Speaker 1: probably people will talk about that Mike's cut one a
Speaker 1: little bit, but honestly, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's the China.
Speaker 2: It's going to be China in election.
Speaker 5: Those are the two big the biggest news of the days.
Speaker 5: Whatever Israel's going to do overnight, Like, yeah, that's right,
Speaker 5: blowing up the region, And they opened the debate with it,
Speaker 5: and the question was just so monstrous, just a portrait
Speaker 5: of the dying idiot.
Speaker 2: Preemptive will you Yeah, there's this big.
Speaker 5: War going on, will you preemptively attack iron?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: What it's like? Why don't we ask about conditioning aid?
Speaker 2: Why don't we ask what? Here's about a question? Should
Speaker 2: American troops die for Israel? How about that one? You
Speaker 2: can even ask it less loaded? Is there any scenario
Speaker 2: in the current situation where American soldiers would have their
Speaker 2: lives on the line in an Israel Iran war? Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, I just gave you this pretty decent.
Speaker 5: Well, why are their troops in Syria? Like, actually, really,
Speaker 5: why are they?
Speaker 1: I mean, the truth of the matter is if even
Speaker 1: if those good questions were asked of these two individuals,
Speaker 1: they there's nothing they would say that would really be.
Speaker 2: Policy totally totally, and I think it's.
Speaker 1: Could say whatever he's going to say. Donald Trump could
Speaker 1: say the exact opposite tomorrow and no one would think twice. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Tim Pall's not comfortable, and foreign policy doesn't know what
Speaker 1: Kamala would do, doesn't know what should but whatever, it
Speaker 1: to me point sound more what an incredible failing it
Speaker 1: is that we don't have another presidential debate that you know,
Speaker 1: there's such a lack of adversarial questioning of these two
Speaker 1: kids that we really we don't know the answer for
Speaker 1: either Trump or Kamala on some basic foreign policy issues.
Speaker 3: And so to me, it points war to that because.
Speaker 1: You might have get something more newsworthy, more noteworthy if
Speaker 1: you had the two principles back on stage.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's very true.
Speaker 1: But with these two, like, I don't know that you're
Speaker 1: really going to get much more than than you did
Speaker 1: on that question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll rightfully be swallowed by a news cycle focused
Speaker 4: on what is what happens overnight in the Middle East,
Speaker 4: and then you have literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 4: of people unaccounted for in Appalasia, one hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: people dead. I mean, there's this debate won't really make
Speaker 4: a dent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also noted, I love we've mentioned in the
Speaker 1: open they mentioned the port strike.
Speaker 2: It was like it exists, and you know, there were
Speaker 2: there were moments. This is why I hate them so much,
Speaker 2: the media, because there were actually moments where they I
Speaker 2: think Tim brought up Tim Watz brought up something about unions,
Speaker 2: and I was like, why don't you ask JD about
Speaker 2: unions and the and Trump on you know, a question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just moved past to some bullshit and
Speaker 3: they don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they don't think about this. And meanwhile, actual
Speaker 2: people are at home or like wait unions, Wait my
Speaker 2: uncle or whatever is in the union. Oh what about
Speaker 2: the strike? I want to hear about that. That's the issue.
Speaker 2: So look, I mean, top line, you know, do we
Speaker 2: think that this is going to make a big difference
Speaker 2: for me? Like unfortunately no, because I think it was
Speaker 2: good for JD. But like in terms of the whole race,
Speaker 2: Trump is Trump. He sucks all the oxygen out of
Speaker 2: the room, and whatever oxygen is left is going to
Speaker 2: get sucked up rightfully by BBI and Iran, So that
Speaker 2: our fate quite literally is currently in the hands of
Speaker 2: the IDF and whatever they decide to do, because our
Speaker 2: bipartisan establishment go down that road, and then election wise,
Speaker 2: it's Trump and it's Comma, it's the principles. Unfortunately, these
Speaker 2: debates don't matter. I do think for personally, for JD,
Speaker 2: and like, let's say that Trump loses, I think JD
Speaker 2: made a very credible case for I think the.
Speaker 3: Nominations the standard.
Speaker 5: I think, now you don't connel in the chamber and
Speaker 5: effectively knife him.
Speaker 2: I think I think prior to this debate they would
Speaker 2: have not only wanted to knife him, they would very
Speaker 2: effectively been able to knife him. I think given this debate,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of my Twitter feed is just full
Speaker 2: of Republicans on how much they love him, rossed out
Speaker 2: that the most successful Republican debate performance of the century.
Speaker 2: I talk the two thousands. You can articulate yeah, because
Speaker 2: exactly people people love it when you can articulate that.
Speaker 2: So in that sense, for him personally, I think this
Speaker 2: was an incredible night. For the twenty twenty four election,
Speaker 2: it's probably just not going to make that big of
Speaker 2: a difference. And like I said, especially with the especially
Speaker 2: Israel Iran going to I mean that's going to be
Speaker 2: the headline. Yeah, by Mark within a week, that will
Speaker 2: be the most important.
Speaker 6: Thing going on.
Speaker 2: I think in particular, this one might be keeps.
Speaker 3: Going almost nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean since Kamala swapping Joe out that made a
Speaker 1: big difference, that was consequential, and no questions about that,
Speaker 1: by the way, true since since she's sort of you know,
Speaker 1: ascended to like the current state of the race, almost
Speaker 1: nothing does make a difference.
Speaker 5: Somebody saw somebody making the point that that would have
Speaker 5: been his best democracy rebuttal like three time you didn't
Speaker 5: have a democratic primary, true anointed to Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, except I don't think people care.
Speaker 2: That is good, they don't care, but at least.
Speaker 5: The walls would take debate and then you're not talking
Speaker 5: about Trump any That's.
Speaker 3: True, that's true.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the race is pretty static.
Speaker 1: Like you know, you had a d NC that didn't
Speaker 1: move the needle. You had another assassination attempt that didn't
Speaker 1: move the needle. You had a debate that was overwhelming
Speaker 1: in terms of the consensus that Kamala defeated Trump and
Speaker 1: he looked terrible and made mass of himself whatever, Haitian pets,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 3: That doesn't really move it. She maybe got.
Speaker 1: Maybe a temporary point bump, and then it's just back
Speaker 1: to the staces. So in that context, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to imagine that this would be more significant than Sorry.
Speaker 2: So we just got that news in from CBS instant poll.
Speaker 2: Who won the debate forty two jd Vance forty percent seventy.
Speaker 5: I love America.
Speaker 2: I love America. America's like whatever. Yeah, I was a
Speaker 2: Republican going in. I like my Republican. The Democrat.
Speaker 5: Most of those Democrats are lying.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 5: Most of those Democrats are lying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're gonna but they think it anyways.
Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter who they Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're voting for walls.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So in any case, do I think it's going
Speaker 3: to move the needle?
Speaker 5: No, I do not.
Speaker 2: But especially one thing before, Yeah, happy birthday to my mom.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, your mom shows a birthday with Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 2: Why yeah, Oh my gosh, she's actually a little older.
Speaker 4: She's one hundred and one.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Mom, I wish we had more time to talk
Speaker 2: to you. Thank for her.
Speaker 3: It's really good, right, great, yeah.
Speaker 5: Father of neoliberalism, but also like a great Middle East anyway, all.
Speaker 2: Right, it's Toady. Thank you guys on his birthday. I
Speaker 2: don't need to call that, that's right, don't call him anything.
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