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Speaker 1: Okay, So we just finished the stirring conclusion there of

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls versus JD.

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Speaker 3: I guess i'll give my my overall top line thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, on the gate, Timwall's super nervous, very obviously very nervous.

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Speaker 1: And then as he sort of as the debate went on,

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Speaker 1: he got a lot more comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Also, I think he was very uncomfortable on.

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Speaker 1: Foreign policy, which is something that was kind of anticipated

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Speaker 1: as a governor.

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Speaker 3: He was like, very nervous. Mine doesn't have to say

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Speaker 3: control you ever.

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Speaker 4: Hear over here and that's where the debates started, yes,

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Speaker 4: And that's.

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Speaker 3: Where the debate started. So he was very very shaky ground.

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Speaker 1: He had a really bad answer on the whole China

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Speaker 1: Tanam and square thing. That was probably the low point

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Speaker 1: for him going into the final minutes. You know, I

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Speaker 1: was planning to come out here and say, you know,

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Speaker 3: And then we got to January.

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Speaker 1: Sixth, and I think probably the moment that is going

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Speaker 1: to get replayed the most and was the most compelling

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Speaker 1: through the whole thing was JD being unable to say

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden won the election. And in a very

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Speaker 1: obvious way, you know, he just he gets asked directly

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Speaker 1: by Tim Walls, and he said and says, we're focused

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Speaker 1: on the future. And Walls goes in and says, well,

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Speaker 1: that was a damning non answer. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the moment that, out of everything, is

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Speaker 5: Is there any pragmatic case that you could possibly concoct

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Speaker 5: that there's some voter who just really wants him to

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Speaker 5: keep saying that he won the election? Well, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 5: his name is Doc, but no, no, no, I mean Trump himself,

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Speaker 5: like Trump obviously dictated that JD. Vans say what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right. And then look, this is the problem.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the debate performance highlights the strength

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Speaker 2: Vance there at the time, I thought Vance Amy Walters

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Speaker 2: talk to swing voters on every controversial issue. I thought

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Speaker 2: his abortion answer is the best answer that a GOP

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Speaker 2: basically like, look, we failed, we need to win your

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Speaker 2: trust back. We're pro family. It's heartbreaking. He's like almost

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Speaker 2: tearing up talking about somebody knows who had an abortion

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Speaker 2: aka compassion on housing, on many of the other issues

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Speaker 2: Did like endorsed like healthcare for pre existence. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's incredible stuff here, right, we're talking about family in general.

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Speaker 2: He's very very comfortable. This is where all the way

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Speaker 2: up until the election answer and the truth is is

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Speaker 2: that there's no good answer on that election whenever you're

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Speaker 2: the vice presidential nominee on the Trump Vance ticket. So

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Speaker 2: what do we say? I'd say eighty seven eighty eight,

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Speaker 2: almost ninety minutes of a very very good performance for him, Unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, Crystal. The media is going to

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Speaker 2: plow play that one up. You guys are gonna be

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Speaker 2: hearing it all goddamn day long from CNN, MSNBC and

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Speaker 2: everywhere else. And look, I was gonna say, at the

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Speaker 2: same time, it is justified us because one of the

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Speaker 2: main questions is around this quote unquote like extremism. And

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Speaker 2: one of the things I thought that JD very effectively

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Speaker 2: obviously had a horrible answer on abortion and a horrible

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Speaker 2: He also had bad answers there. Jad I think probably

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Speaker 2: I thought that Walls, I'm biased obviously putting that out

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Speaker 2: He kind of got there, definitely came.

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Speaker 3: Across as he definitely wasn't.

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Speaker 2: The you know, Republicans wouldn't to me.

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Speaker 1: Republicans have a caricature of him as being like super weird,

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Speaker 1: I think he came across as very midwestern nice.

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Speaker 2: He came to me as like stiff as a boy.

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Speaker 2: Here's the I'm like, dude, he was not good at this.

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Speaker 1: Too midwestern nice because he didn't. There was too much

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that he came across as the

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Speaker 4: sounds silly, but as vice presidential, and when you're as

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Speaker 4: a vice presidential candidate, you actually really have to come

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Speaker 4: everybody's mind is like, well, if something happens to the president,

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Speaker 4: I thought Walls had a good night. I thought JD

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Speaker 4: had a very good night. But interestingly, JD on that

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Speaker 4: last exchange about democracy, knowing that it's a vulnerability for him,

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Speaker 4: pivoted to censorship and pivoted, and he didn't say Dems

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Speaker 4: is wrong because Dems want to violate all of these

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Speaker 4: Dems are the ones that are trying to lock up

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Speaker 4: political opponents Banana Republic.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't mention any of the court cases against

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Speaker 2: It really was him.

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Speaker 4: Trying to say there are well he was and trying

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Speaker 3: He didn't say it.

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Speaker 4: He didn't say it, but he said.

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Speaker 2: He said something to that effect. Look, I think he

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Speaker 2: did the best he can. What the are you supposed

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Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, that's the reason he got the job, right,

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Speaker 1: is because he said because he said, I would not

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Speaker 5: He's there to be the bullwark against the deep state.

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Speaker 5: He can't start acknowledging that the deep state was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, yeah, it's it's devastating, but there's

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Speaker 1: also he is. He put himself in that corner like

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Speaker 2: I mean you have to Again, they're calculus. I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily agree with it is that you have to do this. No,

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Speaker 2: for them, it's like, listen, we have to go along

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Speaker 3: Mind ends justify the means.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we have a two party system. We have

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Speaker 2: this guy named Donald Trump is at the top of

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Speaker 2: the ticket. A lot of crazy says a lot of

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Speaker 2: crazy shit that his supporters basically think he's a god

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Speaker 2: because he just doesn't about any of that. So what

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Speaker 2: do we say, we have to go up there and

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Speaker 2: we say, yeah, I'm focused on the future. Well, stok,

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Speaker 2: do I love it?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: But listen, and you know, like if you look at

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Speaker 2: the policy level, like this, this, and this about where

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Speaker 2: things are, compare this vice presidential debate to the vice

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Speaker 1: But that's the other part of it is like none

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Speaker 1: of that is Donald Trump's policy.

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Speaker 2: But that's the point. He doesn't have policy maybe.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing is like, you know, that's part

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Speaker 1: of what's so weird is jd Vance is up there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no indication. Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he'll be an influencer at the very least, how.

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Speaker 1: Has he been an influence on You know, he floated

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars child tax credit and Trump was basically like, no,

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Speaker 2: When Donald Trump, if he's nd Trump wins the presidency

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Speaker 2: and the tax bill comes up for negotiation and Jady's

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Speaker 2: we have a better chance of getting that done than not. Listen. Again,

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Speaker 2: I don't even necessarily agree with this whole. We have

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Speaker 2: to say the election stuff was still because it pisses

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Speaker 5: Don't just answer legally speaking, Biden's president and won the

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Speaker 2: The league, and you yeah, because they don't believe. Look

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Speaker 2: it's an end justify the means position. Again, I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily agree with it. I think he gave a fantastic performance.

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Speaker 2: I think in general, Tim Walls basically didn't. Tim Walls,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we didn't, we didn't come came in

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Speaker 3: He really is uncomfortable in that role. I will say.

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Speaker 1: I thought as he went like, I thought he was

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Speaker 1: very good on abortion. I disagree with you guys that

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Speaker 1: Jade Vance gave a good answer on abortion, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way you can get to that.

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Speaker 1: But I thought he gave a very good answer on abortion.

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Speaker 7: As a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life

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Speaker 6: And that's what real leadership is.

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Speaker 5: What I missed in the middle there, though, is what's

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Speaker 4: The because he was asked by the moderator whether he

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Speaker 5: But what is the if that's the Republican abortion like messaging,

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Speaker 2: What it's conveying is that yes, we're going to restrict

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Speaker 4: And I think that's it's It's sort of like the

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Speaker 2: It's kind of the best he can do within.

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Speaker 4: The parameters of the party and the parameters of his

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Speaker 2: Don't think it's under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: The National Abortion Band truth.

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Speaker 3: He didn't even show up for the IVF vote. That

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Speaker 1: Voters, and that's the thing. And Okay, child to credit.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if Jadie Vance is going to be president, maybe

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Speaker 3: Child to ask credit. When it came up for a vote,

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Speaker 4: What's interesting about that is a bunch of red states,

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Speaker 4: was not like the points that you just raised, chrysl

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Speaker 4: It wasn't about IVF, it wasn't about you.

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Speaker 5: Like get a drug test before you get your diapers.

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Speaker 4: Work requirements for diapers, but that's like trying to make

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, we have to be honest about where

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Speaker 2: that that's what he believes. Now, does that mean that

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Speaker 4: And speak of embarrassing responses, maybe we should run that

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Speaker 8: Governor. Just to follow up on that, the question was

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Speaker 9: Alls I said on this was is I got there

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Governor.

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Speaker 1: know why I was in China and this, you know,

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Speaker 1: cultural connection and I bring basketball teams and yeah's a

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Speaker 1: guy and like I just want people to connect and whatever.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, yeah, but why did you say

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Speaker 1: that It wasn't true and I'm a knucklehead.

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Speaker 3: I'm a knucklehead.

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Speaker 1: And then he said something like I you know, I

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Speaker 1: talk a lot, and I get caught up in the

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Speaker 1: rhetoric and then it's just sort of like awkward pause.

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Speaker 2: That was a miss moment. I saw my favorite quote

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Speaker 2: of the night.

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Speaker 4: He said, quote many times, I will talk a lot

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Speaker 4: and honestly saying.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're all here, yeah, living I also get

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Speaker 2: caught up in the rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I got it.

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Speaker 1: It was surprisingly bad because it's obviously awkward to have

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Speaker 1: to admit like, yeah, I fucked up on that one.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't there, said I was there.

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Speaker 2: He eventually he eventually got it.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, would be better if he had just said that,

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Speaker 1: like I wanted.

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Speaker 5: To, you know, you should have said I was it

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Speaker 5: happened in June. I was there in August. It was

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Speaker 5: a cooler story. It was a cooler story to say

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Speaker 5: that I was there while it happened. It was kind

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Speaker 5: of a lie, and I'm busted.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Ye see, that would have been the best you could

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Speaker 1: do it, And that would have been fine. People would

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Speaker 1: be like, all right, you know, it's telling a tall tale.

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Speaker 3: A big deal.

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Speaker 2: Who cares a tall tale?

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Speaker 5: Because he's meaningless.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard to weasel his way out of answering

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Speaker 1: the question.

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Speaker 3: Just so all right, let's hold that, like, why weren't

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Speaker 3: you prepared for that?

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Speaker 2: Well, actually that kind of gets before we get to that.

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Speaker 2: In our audio team, they have to re export that

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Speaker 2: clip because it came out with that audio also fixed

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Speaker 2: in a few minutes.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure being there in August is a really cool experience,

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Speaker 5: and you've got a lot of the like energy from

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Speaker 5: right right aftermath.

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Speaker 3: And you can say that, but.

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Speaker 2: Also homes during the debate, what I put out was,

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's clear to me it was a

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Speaker 2: mistake that Wals didn't do interviews because he was nervous

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Speaker 2: and he was not practiced in being in an adversary position,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, this is why you know JD was

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Speaker 2: comfortable from moment one, because he's been He's done interviews

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Speaker 2: with both of those women in CBS literally both of them,

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Speaker 2: probably knows them personally, both when he was a senator

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Speaker 2: and as a vice president with all the major networks.

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Speaker 2: The only thing he wasn't prep for was that election answer.

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Speaker 2: It's there's no answer.

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Speaker 4: I still disagree on that because he like, from a

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Speaker 4: really big picture of perspective, obviously the interviews would have

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Speaker 4: helped him be smoother in the debate, but their risk aversion.

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Speaker 4: I think when you have as much boosting from the

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Speaker 4: media as the Harris campaign has had and as Tim

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Speaker 4: Wallas has had. To your point, like he really has

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Speaker 4: been hyped up by the media.

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Speaker 2: Why would you even like this just blew it up?

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Speaker 4: That's not really I don't think so, Like, how much

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Speaker 4: do you think this matters? When people are actually making.

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Speaker 2: How much it matter at all? But that's the okay,

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Speaker 2: let's say to the extent that it matters. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: if you're a political junkie, I'm assuming that the polls

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Speaker 2: are going to probably show that JD one uh fedya

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Speaker 2: is probably going to cover that on top of whatever

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Speaker 2: the clip is, you know, that looks bad for him,

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Speaker 2: so maybe it's a wa so on walls. I guess

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Speaker 2: to me, they built him up as the star, how

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Speaker 2: good he was in media and all that, and from

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Speaker 2: the very beginning I was like, oh man, I was like,

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Speaker 2: he looks so nervous up there. So sure it took

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Speaker 2: him a little while to get warmed up, but that

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Speaker 2: initial impression stuck, especially whenever I felt like he was

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Speaker 2: trying to deliver canned answers, he would give weird pauses.

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Speaker 2: There was we were talking earlier when they came out,

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Speaker 2: and we noticed that he immediately came to the notepad

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Speaker 2: and was scribbling a lot of pre memorized stuff down

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Speaker 2: so that he could read off of that. I thought

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Speaker 2: that really showed, and I mean, look, he had great

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Speaker 2: answers on abortion. I thought that was the strongest moment

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Speaker 2: for sure. I also thought he was closing and that's

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Speaker 2: good his best. So actually, I think we do have that,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully the audio is correct. So fingers crossed, Uh,

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Speaker 2: why don't we go to that E eight pleased control room.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play it.

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Speaker 9: I think this is the conversation they want to hear,

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Speaker 9: and I think there's a lot of agreement. This is

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Speaker 9: one that we are miles apart on. This was a

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Speaker 9: threat to our democracy in a way that we had

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Speaker 9: not seen, and it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 9: inability to say he is still saying he didn't lose

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Speaker 9: the election. I would just ask that, did he lose

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Speaker 9: the twenty twenty election?

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Speaker 7: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor

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Speaker 7: Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty COVID situation?

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Speaker 6: That is a damning That is a damning non answer.

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Speaker 6: It's a damning non answer for you to not talk

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Speaker 6: about censorship.

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Speaker 2: Trying to pivot to censorship on that just ain't going

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Speaker 2: to work. Yeah, I mean, look, I've seen try everything.

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Speaker 2: I've seen them try Pennsylvania voting law. I've seen them

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Speaker 2: try Venezuela dominions. I've seen it all. That's probably as

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Speaker 2: good as you're gonna get whenever you're up there. But

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Speaker 2: it was bad. I mean, you know, how else can

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Speaker 2: we say it was bad? Especially for Look the swing

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Speaker 2: that was actually the one moment, and this is where

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Speaker 2: he's so constrained by Trump, where every other time he's

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Speaker 2: trying so hard with those swing voters on abortion, he's like,

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Speaker 2: I hear you, you know, I feel you're paid on healthcare.

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Speaker 2: I guess Christ have mercy right, show everything's compassionate of it.

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Speaker 2: But with this, it's the red line for Trump. And so,

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Speaker 2: like I said, this is the strength and the weakness

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Speaker 2: of the Trump fanstiket and I think this is where

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Speaker 2: the biggest weakness is and it emanates from the very

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Speaker 2: top Donald J. Trump. And also, you know, for a

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Speaker 2: lot of Republicans out there, we're always talking about how

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Speaker 2: great Trump is, this is also you know, a vision

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Speaker 2: of like it doesn't have to be this way of

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Speaker 2: this whole like concept of a plan and uh, let's

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Speaker 2: litigate our rally side is all these other disastrous like

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Speaker 2: moments that are purely functions of Trump personality. But that's

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Speaker 2: also where people have to be honest, and that a

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Speaker 2: lot of voters, the actual Republican voters, for like, this

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Speaker 2: is where we also be doing. They prefer the Trump, the.

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Speaker 6: Abortion, the.

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Speaker 2: So whatever the hell something like you know, the interesting nuanced.

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Speaker 4: In and the only reason that JD didn't just give

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Speaker 4: the sort of canned scripted pro life movement for decades.

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Speaker 4: Answer on abortion is because Donald Trump is the candidate

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Speaker 4: and he can't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's it's a it's a double edged sword.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean that there was a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Throwing the pro life movement under the book, like by

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Speaker 1: admitting our party is entrusted on abortion. And he wasn't

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Speaker 1: just talking about like, oh, because we needed a child

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Speaker 1: to ask credit.

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Speaker 3: He was talking about abortion.

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Speaker 1: And it's wild to see because he is one of

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Speaker 1: those people who holds.

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Speaker 3: Those very you know, like adamant.

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Speaker 1: Pro life positions absolutely, and so it really, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really is quite striking to see him basically like

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Speaker 1: throw that all under the bus and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: and talk about the results of the referendum in Ohio

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Speaker 1: and all of that.

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Speaker 3: I just on the censorship thing.

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Speaker 1: Because this drives me crazy, Like the idea both of

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Speaker 1: the parties are pro censorship, the idea that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is your anti censorship candidate is crazy. He wants to deport,

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Speaker 1: you know, propoalstanting protesters, he wants to he.

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Speaker 3: Wants he wants to ban flag burning.

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Speaker 1: Republicans have passed all these laws and states that okay,

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Speaker 1: they're in support of antibds laws. For example, they want

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Speaker 1: to pass they've passed all these laws that like you know,

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Speaker 1: ban protests in certain ways or like allow people to

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Speaker 1: drive their cars into protesters, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 1: I could go on, but just it really irritates me

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Speaker 1: when people make that a point, and especially irritated me

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Speaker 1: in that context when he's just like blatantly trying to

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Speaker 1: shift the conversation from something he was.

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Speaker 2: Look, he's doing what he's got to do. And so

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Speaker 2: it's like when Tim Walltz gets asked about immigration. Yet, Tim,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure you really strongly feel about a

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Speaker 2: strong border bill, like get out of here. But this

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Speaker 2: is the game they might I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I think they.

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Speaker 2: Might don't think speak I mean speaking of Israel.

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Speaker 4: So they start well, and so they started off with

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Speaker 4: a very like sober tone and question about what had

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Speaker 4: happened in Israel between Israel and Ron just today. And

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Speaker 4: Vance had a pretty good moment early on. He seemed

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Speaker 4: more comfortable to dim Walls, and he talked about you know,

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Speaker 4: Walls calling Trump quote an agent of chaos. I'm a

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Speaker 4: control and I'm queuing up clip E one to just

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Speaker 4: see how the debate started and how Vance seemed to

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Speaker 4: be on a pretty comfortable ground when he was talking

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Speaker 4: about what was transpiring throughout the world. Let's roll e

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Speaker 4: one so you can get a flavor.

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Speaker 2: Of how it all started.

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Speaker 7: Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember

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Speaker 7: that as much as Governor Waltz just accused Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered

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Speaker 7: stability in the world, and he did it by establishing

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Speaker 7: a effective deterrence people were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran,

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Speaker 7: which launched this attack, has received over one hundred billion

635
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Speaker 7: dollars in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.

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Speaker 6: What do they use that money for?

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Speaker 7: They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching

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Speaker 7: against our allies and god forbid, potentially launching against the

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Speaker 7: United States as well. Donald Trump recognized that for people

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Speaker 7: to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.

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Speaker 6: They needed to.

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Speaker 7: Recognize that if they got out of line, the United

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Speaker 7: States global leadership would put stability and peace back in

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Speaker 7: the world. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret,

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Speaker 7: and I want to answer the question. Look, it is

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Speaker 7: up to Israel what they think they need to do

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Speaker 7: to keep their country safe, and we should support our

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Speaker 7: allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the right approach to take with the

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Speaker 7: Israel question.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean that was we kind of predicted it

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Speaker 2: from the top, where like, how is are they going

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Speaker 2: to answer the Israel question? I was like, JD's just

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Speaker 2: going to say it didn't happen. Will Trump was an

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Speaker 2: office and it is a compelling point, and that's what

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have to say, you know. The

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Speaker 2: other thing I was thinking about, you know, because we

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Speaker 2: were talking about like, oh, parsing all of these things,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, well, normal people, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: not even barely following any of this to the extent

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Speaker 2: that any of them watched it. And I will be

662
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Speaker 2: very curious actually for the ratings, because I don't know,

663
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: what do you guys think. Do you think it'll be high?

664
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Speaker 2: I kind of think it will be only be higher

665
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Speaker 2: than normal for VP debates, only because this is the

666
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: very last political debate. But I could also see it

667
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: being a dud in general. They only watched for ten

668
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes statistically, in that time that's where you

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00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: know JD both was comfortable, Walts was very nervous. And

670
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: because the Israel question and the Iran war question, I

671
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: mean we began our whole stream with almost an hour

672
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: on the topic. It is the most consequential thing happening

673
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: right now. And if Biden and Kamala by proxy as

674
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: number two on the ticket, do allow a major war

675
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Speaker 2: to break out in the Middle East with US involvement,

676
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: that is going to be even more compelling. And you'll

677
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: probably hear that a lot as well. On the campaign trail.

678
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: Looks like our own ratings were down about half from

679
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: the presidential oh hours.

680
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was not very Trump.

681
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the.

682
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: High highest rating actually has ever been for a vice pretential.

683
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: Well, don't say it's the highest points has ever been,

684
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: because we don't know how high.

685
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: Ryan has.

686
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 5: Walls's answer. But Walls's answer on the Iran Israel question. Now,

687
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 5: partly he was nervous coming into it, yes, but also

688
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 5: he seems to have utterly no interest in the issue.

689
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: He kept mixing up Iran and it.

690
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: Was Kamala has her ten to seven lines completely memorized.

691
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was just like pawing at fourteen hundred.

692
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 5: Like the fourteen hundred was a giveaway because.

693
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Speaker 3: It's like that's not even the right now.

694
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: That was that was the first week number before they

695
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 5: were like, oh, actually two hundred of those were like

696
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 5: Hamas militants that we like incinerated when we launched the

697
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 5: Hannibal directive on the people, you know, flowing back into

698
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 5: into Gaza. So it's actually twelve hundreds. He like, so

699
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: he basically has no interest whatsoever in this, which undermines

700
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 5: my own little pet theory. When I heard that he'd

701
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: been to China like twenty five times, yeah, I was like, oh,

702
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: has this guy been like groomed by the agency for

703
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: a very long time?

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00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

705
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 5: I think no, because if he had been, he would have, oh,

706
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 5: he'd be able to articulate something on this issue. He

707
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: just had nothing.

708
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

709
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 5: I think he was authentically completely ignorant.

710
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's really like Chinese over here. Huh Oh that's true,

711
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: of course. Yeah. I didn't didn't think about that. One

712
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: of the telegraph things that we had got that was

713
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: that JD wanted to hit him on stolen valor, which

714
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: was a big thing. That would have been the moment

715
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: be like, oh, did you also misspeak whenever you said

716
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: you carried weapons of war or whatever, and he didn't

717
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: bring that up. He also didn't bring it up in

718
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Speaker 2: the gun section. So that was noteworthy to me in

719
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: that I was going in. I expected that to be

720
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: a thing. It was one of the first things that

721
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: the Trump campaign went with. Clearly, either the polling shows

722
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: that it doesn't work or they just decided to drop it.

723
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: In general, the strategy from JD and actually from Tim

724
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: Walls on both of them was they weren't really talking

725
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: about the other. If anything, there was, like you said,

726
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: there was a lot of icies between the two, like

727
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: I agree with this governor, I agree with the center,

728
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: but Kamala, Like the heated rhetoric was for Kamala from

729
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: Jady and for Trump from I think I'm smart.

730
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Speaker 1: I actually think I think from JD's perspective it was smart.

731
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I think it was the right strategy because Tim Walls

732
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: does come across as like just kind of a nice

733
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: guy and very normal and very yeah, and so if

734
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: you're out there like viciously attacking him, I don't know

735
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: that that would have And so I think I think

736
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: JD had a different goal, which was to make himself

737
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Speaker 1: a little more like, you know, soften some of the edges,

738
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: be a little more conciliatory, you know, reach out. And

739
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: I think he accomplished that, right. I think he came

740
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: across as much more approachable and much more likable than

741
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: he's come across in like the cable news exchanges or

742
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: when he's on you know, making up lies about Haitia

743
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: pets and even on the rally.

744
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: Stage didn't hit him on that. He brought it up

745
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: a little a little bit.

746
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Speaker 1: Because he talked about how state law enforcement was having

747
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: to escore little kids into the classroom and don't want Yeah,

748
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: so he did go in, but he didn't he didn't

749
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: go into.

750
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: Hard right, he didn't do any like why won't you

751
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: apolog which I was expecting what he did on the

752
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: election to do to do the same thing on Springfield.

753
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked, And I think I think if

754
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: you had a different candidate than Walls, I think it

755
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: would have been the right strategy to be more a

756
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: pressive towards j D because I think it would have

757
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: thrown him off. You could have gotten under his skin

758
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just don't think the Walls really

759
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: has that in him, Like I just don't think that that.

760
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a role he could really pull off.

761
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean he was struggling to pull off the role

762
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: that you know of just trying to like be not

763
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: nervous and articulate.

764
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: His views in a forceful position.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I think he picked up a

766
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: lot of steam as the debate went on and was

767
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: fine towards like got strong towards the end of it.

768
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't I don't think he has that

769
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: like attack dog thing that was.

770
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: Clear, I mean constantly just saying oh, I agree, it's

771
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: actually funny. A lot of liberals are very mad at

772
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: Tim Walls for that, Like, let me find this.

773
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 5: You would have been of each other.

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00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: It would absolutely thank God for just America's sake that

775
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: that didn't happen, because so it would have been insufferable.

776
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: The Obama asked stuff here. David from tweeted this out.

777
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: He said, Vance is going home tonight with Waltz's wallet.

778
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Vance didn't even have to snatch it. Walst just handed

779
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: it over, along with a bunch of unearned compliments to

780
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: Vance's fine character. So I mean people are mad, And

781
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: actually David replied to it with an article he wrote

782
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: about how Walls should have tried to get JD Off

783
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: basically get under his skin, yeah, and try and make

784
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: him thin skinned. And I think I do.

785
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: I think he's right that would have been a better strategy.

786
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I just don't think that Wall's cop.

787
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't have any He's just not that guy and you

788
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: know so.

789
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: And he apparently advertised this upfront to Kamala in the

790
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: vetting process. I now do not think that that was

791
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: bullshit or expectations.

792
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

793
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: I was wondering definitely upfront, like this is really not

794
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: my thing.

795
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: And it's funny because part of because he was so

796
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: good in those few cable news interviews before he got pitched,

797
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: I was like, is it really not your thing?

798
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: But it is different. A cable news interview is a

799
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: different from me.

800
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: Well maybe for Democrats because they never get challenged on anything.

801
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: But if you're a Republican, it's basically like training because

802
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: you're just constantly hitting a like conventional wisdom and having

803
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: that's true, that.

804
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: It's true that it is a related skill, but it

805
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: is not exactly the same. You know, like a debate,

806
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: you were a debate a debate for you? Were that

807
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: a debate bro, if you're wondering on state champions, no

808
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: big deal.

809
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Lost to a kid in a wheelchair. The story definitely

810
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: lost because he was in a wheelchair. But it's cool.

811
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: But anyway, it isn't It is a little bit different,

812
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: like being up on the stage and the format and

813
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: the length of it and all of that stuff. It

814
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: is different, and so clearly like the comfort he has

815
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: with the cable news hit does not translate over to

816
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, a comfortable uh feel on a debate state.

817
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 5: These debate finals are on YouTube anywhere.

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00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: I wish he actually would. I still if I had

819
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: a tape of it, I would.

820
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: You don't have the tape.

821
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 4: The debate, the format making people nervous, not making people nervous.

822
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: The big story that everyone was talking about after the

823
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: last debate was the moderators.

824
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: It was a huge coat for Republicans.

825
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: As much as I dis liked the moderators there, I

826
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: can one hundred percent agree with that. Now this time

827
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: they were more like the CNN Dana Bash Jake Tapper

828
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: approach and the presidential debate between Trump and Biden. At

829
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: the same time, there was one First of all, I

830
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 4: think Crystal and I at least agreed.

831
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: They were awkward.

832
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 4: The Nora O'Donnell mart Brennan Perring was awkward.

833
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: Listen, we know great female chemistry and that's how I

834
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: that was not it?

835
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: How you do I think I think they hate each other.

836
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: That has to be it. There's got to be something

837
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: else there was. There was tension. Yeah, they didn't do

838
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: a bit. Also, the fact checking was so bizarre because

839
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: why did they say we're not going to fact check.

840
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: If you're not, then don't.

841
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 6: But then don't do it.

842
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: They literally did pre fact check and then they cut

843
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: a freaking microph we have.

844
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Speaker 6: This is E four.

845
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: This was one of the most uncomfortable moments after the

846
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 4: China moment. What's rule E four here?

847
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 8: Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers', Springfield,

848
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 8: Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who

849
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 8: have legal status temporary protected Mara, Thank you, Senator.

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00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: We have so much to get to Margaret. I think

851
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: it's important to turn out of the economy.

852
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 6: Thanks Margaret.

853
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 7: The rules were that you got to be in a

854
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 7: fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think

855
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 7: it's important to say what's actually going on.

856
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 6: So there's an application called.

857
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 7: The CBP one app where you can go on as

858
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 7: an illegal migrant, apply for a silent and be granted

859
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 7: legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open

860
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 7: border wand that is not a person coming in applying

861
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Speaker 7: for a green cart and waiting for ten years.

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00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 6: Thank you, senatoration of a legal immigration Margaret Bye.

863
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 8: Thank you senator for describing the legal process.

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Speaker 9: Have so much to get to the senator so much

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Speaker 9: a book since nineteen ninety, Thank you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: We want to have that app has not been on

867
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Speaker 6: the books.

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Speaker 8: Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

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00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 8: We have so much we want to get to. Thank

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Speaker 8: you for explaining the legal process.

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00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so and again they didn't show you this. But

872
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: the reason that he started talking was because they had

873
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: fact checking. What did they say on climate change?

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00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 4: Ryan?

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Speaker 2: That is true? But I mean, I don't even think

876
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: he even said anything.

877
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 5: But nobody disagreed with that he said for the sake

878
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Speaker 5: of argument, right, But okay, even then it was like

879
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 5: why did you say that?

880
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 6: It was like that's so.

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Speaker 5: Odd because they expected that he would deny it, and

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Speaker 5: they had it pre written. I think that's oh, I like.

883
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Speaker 2: That insider, if that's true, and tell us the truth.

884
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Speaker 3: I don't know that this is like, you know, the

885
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Speaker 3: biggest it's not as bad.

886
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Speaker 1: Bombshell, But I do think when you're up there as

887
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Speaker 1: a candidate complaining like you promised you wouldn't call out I,

888
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Speaker 1: like you wouldn't fact check, both from a process standpoint

889
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Speaker 1: and also you're kind of giving up the game of like,

890
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Speaker 1: you know, but I planned to, like I had these

891
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Speaker 1: lives planned, and now you're calling me out on them.

892
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Speaker 3: It's not It's true.

893
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Speaker 2: It was a good play for him, for him because

894
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Speaker 2: he gets to attack the I mean, I don't know

895
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Speaker 2: a normal person watching that wouldn't think, like, what the

896
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: hell is going on here with these two? You know

897
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: what I mean?

898
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Speaker 4: Well, they handled it so poorly and no O'donnald and

899
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: Mark it just handled it very poorly.

900
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thing is like, yeah, after then

901
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Speaker 1: they're getting into a back and forth that may have

902
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Speaker 1: actually been.

903
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Speaker 2: Interesting, that actually could have been good, and then they

904
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Speaker 2: cut it down for no mic and then it's just

905
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Speaker 2: really passive aggressive thank you for explaining the legal process.

906
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Yeah, it was like that was

907
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Speaker 2: that was bad. Do you have any other clips that

908
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Speaker 2: we want to go over? I mean, we had a.

909
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Speaker 1: Couple of others there, but I think that's that's Those

910
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Speaker 1: were the main one. I think the biggest moments were

911
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Speaker 1: probably people will talk about that Mike's cut one a

912
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Speaker 1: little bit, but honestly, I.

913
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Speaker 3: Think that's the China.

914
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Speaker 2: It's going to be China in election.

915
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Speaker 5: Those are the two big the biggest news of the days.

916
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Speaker 5: Whatever Israel's going to do overnight, Like, yeah, that's right,

917
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Speaker 5: blowing up the region, And they opened the debate with it,

918
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 5: and the question was just so monstrous, just a portrait

919
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Speaker 5: of the dying idiot.

920
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Speaker 2: Preemptive will you Yeah, there's this big.

921
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Speaker 5: War going on, will you preemptively attack iron?

922
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Speaker 6: Right?

923
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Speaker 2: What it's like? Why don't we ask about conditioning aid?

924
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: Why don't we ask what? Here's about a question? Should

925
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Speaker 2: American troops die for Israel? How about that one? You

926
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Speaker 2: can even ask it less loaded? Is there any scenario

927
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Speaker 2: in the current situation where American soldiers would have their

928
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 2: lives on the line in an Israel Iran war? Okay,

929
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Speaker 2: you know, I just gave you this pretty decent.

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Speaker 5: Well, why are their troops in Syria? Like, actually, really,

931
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Speaker 5: why are they?

932
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Speaker 1: I mean, the truth of the matter is if even

933
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Speaker 1: if those good questions were asked of these two individuals,

934
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Speaker 1: they there's nothing they would say that would really be.

935
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Speaker 2: Policy totally totally, and I think it's.

936
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Speaker 1: Could say whatever he's going to say. Donald Trump could

937
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Speaker 1: say the exact opposite tomorrow and no one would think twice. Obviously,

938
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Speaker 1: Tim Pall's not comfortable, and foreign policy doesn't know what

939
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Speaker 1: Kamala would do, doesn't know what should but whatever, it

940
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Speaker 1: to me point sound more what an incredible failing it

941
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Speaker 1: is that we don't have another presidential debate that you know,

942
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Speaker 1: there's such a lack of adversarial questioning of these two

943
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: kids that we really we don't know the answer for

944
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Speaker 1: either Trump or Kamala on some basic foreign policy issues.

945
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Speaker 3: And so to me, it points war to that because.

946
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Speaker 1: You might have get something more newsworthy, more noteworthy if

947
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Speaker 1: you had the two principles back on stage.

948
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Speaker 2: That's true, that's very true.

949
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Speaker 1: But with these two, like, I don't know that you're

950
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: really going to get much more than than you did

951
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: on that question.

952
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll rightfully be swallowed by a news cycle focused

953
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Speaker 4: on what is what happens overnight in the Middle East,

954
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Speaker 4: and then you have literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

955
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Speaker 4: of people unaccounted for in Appalasia, one hundred and sixty

956
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: people dead. I mean, there's this debate won't really make

957
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 4: a dent.

958
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also noted, I love we've mentioned in the

959
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Speaker 1: open they mentioned the port strike.

960
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Speaker 2: It was like it exists, and you know, there were

961
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: there were moments. This is why I hate them so much,

962
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: the media, because there were actually moments where they I

963
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: think Tim brought up Tim Watz brought up something about unions,

964
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, why don't you ask JD about

965
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: unions and the and Trump on you know, a question.

966
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just moved past to some bullshit and

967
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: they don't think.

968
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they don't think about this. And meanwhile, actual

969
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: people are at home or like wait unions, Wait my

970
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: uncle or whatever is in the union. Oh what about

971
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: the strike? I want to hear about that. That's the issue.

972
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: So look, I mean, top line, you know, do we

973
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: think that this is going to make a big difference

974
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: for me? Like unfortunately no, because I think it was

975
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: good for JD. But like in terms of the whole race,

976
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: Trump is Trump. He sucks all the oxygen out of

977
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: the room, and whatever oxygen is left is going to

978
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: get sucked up rightfully by BBI and Iran, So that

979
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: our fate quite literally is currently in the hands of

980
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: the IDF and whatever they decide to do, because our

981
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: bipartisan establishment go down that road, and then election wise,

982
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: it's Trump and it's Comma, it's the principles. Unfortunately, these

983
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: debates don't matter. I do think for personally, for JD,

984
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: and like, let's say that Trump loses, I think JD

985
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: made a very credible case for I think the.

986
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: Nominations the standard.

987
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: I think, now you don't connel in the chamber and

988
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 5: effectively knife him.

989
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: I think I think prior to this debate they would

990
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: have not only wanted to knife him, they would very

991
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: effectively been able to knife him. I think given this debate,

992
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 2: there's a lot of my Twitter feed is just full

993
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: of Republicans on how much they love him, rossed out

994
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: that the most successful Republican debate performance of the century.

995
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: I talk the two thousands. You can articulate yeah, because

996
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: exactly people people love it when you can articulate that.

997
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: So in that sense, for him personally, I think this

998
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: was an incredible night. For the twenty twenty four election,

999
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: it's probably just not going to make that big of

1000
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: a difference. And like I said, especially with the especially

1001
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Israel Iran going to I mean that's going to be

1002
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: the headline. Yeah, by Mark within a week, that will

1003
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: be the most important.

1004
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 6: Thing going on.

1005
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: I think in particular, this one might be keeps.

1006
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: Going almost nothing.

1007
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean since Kamala swapping Joe out that made a

1008
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: big difference, that was consequential, and no questions about that,

1009
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: by the way, true since since she's sort of you know,

1010
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: ascended to like the current state of the race, almost

1011
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: nothing does make a difference.

1012
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 5: Somebody saw somebody making the point that that would have

1013
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 5: been his best democracy rebuttal like three time you didn't

1014
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 5: have a democratic primary, true anointed to Yeah.

1015
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, except I don't think people care.

1016
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: That is good, they don't care, but at least.

1017
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 5: The walls would take debate and then you're not talking

1018
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: about Trump any That's.

1019
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: True, that's true.

1020
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the race is pretty static.

1021
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, you had a d NC that didn't

1022
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: move the needle. You had another assassination attempt that didn't

1023
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: move the needle. You had a debate that was overwhelming

1024
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: in terms of the consensus that Kamala defeated Trump and

1025
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: he looked terrible and made mass of himself whatever, Haitian pets,

1026
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1027
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: That doesn't really move it. She maybe got.

1028
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: Maybe a temporary point bump, and then it's just back

1029
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: to the staces. So in that context, it's hard for

1030
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: me to imagine that this would be more significant than Sorry.

1031
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 2: So we just got that news in from CBS instant poll.

1032
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Who won the debate forty two jd Vance forty percent seventy.

1033
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 5: I love America.

1034
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: I love America. America's like whatever. Yeah, I was a

1035
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: Republican going in. I like my Republican. The Democrat.

1036
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: Most of those Democrats are lying.

1037
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: Huh.

1038
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 5: Most of those Democrats are lying.

1039
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're gonna but they think it anyways.

1040
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter who they Yeah,

1041
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: they're voting for walls.

1042
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. So in any case, do I think it's going

1043
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: to move the needle?

1044
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 5: No, I do not.

1045
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: But especially one thing before, Yeah, happy birthday to my mom.

1046
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: Oh oh, your mom shows a birthday with Jimmy Carter.

1047
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: Why yeah, Oh my gosh, she's actually a little older.

1048
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Speaker 4: She's one hundred and one.

1049
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, Mom, I wish we had more time to talk

1050
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Speaker 2: to you. Thank for her.

1051
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Speaker 3: It's really good, right, great, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Father of neoliberalism, but also like a great Middle East anyway, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's Toady. Thank you guys on his birthday. I

1054
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Speaker 2: don't need to call that, that's right, don't call him anything.

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