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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, March thirteenth, and one

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Speaker 1: investigated as a targeted act of violence. Either way, too

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Speaker 1: violent attacks in the United States yesterday really sent people

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Speaker 1: reeling and now even in more concern, possibly now that

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Speaker 1: details are starting to emerge about the alleged attackers. And

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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and tj Old.

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Speaker 1: Dominion and a synagogue in Michigan, Virginia and Michigan, two

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Speaker 1: different states, two different places, but the same kind of terror,

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Speaker 1: you could argue, no matter what you want to call it. Officially, Robes,

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Speaker 1: the country was on edge yesterday.

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Speaker 2: And understandably so, and I would say on edge today

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Speaker 2: and the day that follow while we are at war

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Speaker 2: with Iran. This is some scary stuff. And the details

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Speaker 2: as we start to read about these two suspects, it

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Speaker 3: That's the scary part, the why and the what's next.

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Speaker 1: And you say that, Robes, the why at any point

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Speaker 1: would scare the hell out of us, right as Americans

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Speaker 1: hearing you're under attack for whatever reason, but robes put

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Speaker 1: with the backdrop now of the war, you have to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this was the fear from the beginning. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily that Iran had the capability. And even though we

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Speaker 3: Activated, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: And we hear about activating underground terror celles or even

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Speaker 3: Why they wanted to attack US citizens. And that is

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Speaker 3: what we saw yesterday, Like.

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Speaker 1: We saw some just being inspired. They don't have to

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Speaker 1: have seen several of these now under investigation. What was it?

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Speaker 1: Was it the guy with the the Iraq excuse me,

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Speaker 1: the Iran where that was an awesome that was an

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Speaker 1: Austin I'm thinking about now Arty of Allah. Yes that guy.

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Speaker 1: You can see that image is kind of burned in

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Speaker 1: your mind. But folks, let's tell you what happened Old

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Speaker 1: Dominion and in Michigan yesterday. So on the campus of

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Speaker 1: Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia yesterday they were in

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Speaker 1: fact in lockdown for a while after reports of a shooting.

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Speaker 1: Other reports we got someone walked into an academic building

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Speaker 1: that person was subdued by ROTC members there at Old

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Speaker 1: of course, will describe for you was the one, of

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Speaker 1: course robes that was at the synagogue attack. And this

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Speaker 2: Yes, so the attacker actually drove through and into the

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Speaker 3: There was a shootout, so to speak, and there.

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Speaker 2: Were now we know, fireworks in that vehicle, incendiaria devices,

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Speaker 3: He was knocked unconscious. He's going to be okay.

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Speaker 2: But if it weren't for the brave actions of those

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Speaker 1: Was the one. You might have seen some of those images,

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Speaker 1: Can't put it a better way than that. But let's

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Speaker 1: The name is Muhammed Baylor Jalla. Now he is thirty

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Speaker 1: six years old in Robes. We hear this. This is

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Speaker 2: This is so deeply concerning. Wait until you hear these details. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he served in the Virginia National Guard from two thousand

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Speaker 1: Believe that was just a year later, Yes.

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Speaker 3: One year later.

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Speaker 2: He pleaded guilty because he was absolutely trying.

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Speaker 3: To kill US citizens.

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Speaker 2: He made it very clear in his communications with what

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Speaker 2: But he was he pleaded guilty. He was sentenced to

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Speaker 1: He didn't get far in his planning, his plotting. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what this memo was. But we have his own words

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Speaker 1: holy hell, he will just full of it. So you're

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Speaker 2: Just because we have been so focused this past year,

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Speaker 2: And so to hear his own words and then to

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Speaker 2: according to his initial charges, to murder US military personnel,

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Speaker 2: and that is exactly what he did yesterday.

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Speaker 1: His comm instant age, Well, sure, this is.

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Speaker 2: So chilling now that we know that, yes, he has murdered.

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Speaker 3: He finished his goal.

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Speaker 2: He finished what he set out to do, which was

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Speaker 2: to kill US military personnel.

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Speaker 3: But here is what he said. That's sentencing.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, I've made a lot of mistakes

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Speaker 2: my life. I definitely renounce and denounce every action that

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Speaker 2: deeply sorry to this court. I'm sorry to the American military.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to the people of the United States. I'm

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Speaker 2: very very sorry for what I have done. I did

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Speaker 2: not intend to cause harm to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is a guy who at this time, this

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Speaker 1: right ten years ago ish, Yes, that he was doing this,

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Speaker 1: but this was at a time when he was saying

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Speaker 1: Didn't see him in court at the time. Was he

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Speaker 1: Was he sincere at the time? I do not know.

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Speaker 3: This is chilling. This is chilling to hear him go

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Speaker 2: I want to say, every time I see any atrocities

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Speaker 1: He goes on to kind of make a I hate

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 2: He faked us out and then waited us out so

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Speaker 3: He excuse me.

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Speaker 1: He is dead.

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Speaker 1: Where they're investigating this as a possible act of terror,

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Speaker 1: On this Friday, March the thirteenth, two acts of terror,

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Speaker 1: one being investigated as such, the other right now they're

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Speaker 1: calling an act of targeted violence at the synagogue Gropes

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Speaker 1: in Michigan, a Kia west Bloom. I have that right

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Speaker 1: just outside of Detroit. We're starting to get not as

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Speaker 1: much of a picture emerging, but we're starting to get

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Speaker 1: details about the person involved in that attack as well

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Speaker 1: and Rhodes. It's very limited at least right now, how

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Speaker 1: as a part of the investigation, because they took so

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Speaker 1: long to clear that scene yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of concern about any other

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Speaker 2: potential explosions with the vehicle that I'm in, Mohammed Gazzali

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Speaker 2: was driving, and in fact his charred remains. Everything was

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Speaker 2: so burnt that it's been difficult even forensically to take

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Speaker 2: a look at that scene and figure out how this

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Speaker 2: all happened. Here's what we know about the suspect. I'm in,

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Speaker 2: Mohammed Ghazali. He was born in Lebanon, and he came

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Speaker 2: here into the United States in a ninety day fiance fashion.

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Speaker 2: He had a fiance visa in two thy eleven. He

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Speaker 2: did marry that woman and officially became a citizen in

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Speaker 2: two thy sixteen, when President Trump was president correct.

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Speaker 1: Six so I don't know why. Yes, Trump was just

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Speaker 1: elected in twenty sixteen, took office in twenty seventeen. But

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Speaker 1: I saw some places wanted to point out when he

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Speaker 1: first entered it was when Obama was president. It's just

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Speaker 1: amazing how we did. I got hate.

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Speaker 2: We want to point the finger at the person who

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Speaker 2: was president when someone entered the country, as if, as.

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Speaker 1: If it's the thing I hate about they do with

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Speaker 1: judges now every time a judge makes a decision, he

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Speaker 1: was appointed by a democratic it doesn't. Yes, so they

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Speaker 1: some places pointed that out, But yes, that was But

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Speaker 1: this was a US citizen, a naturalized US citizen who

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Speaker 1: had been a part of some of the reports that

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Speaker 1: community update the Lebanese community, which is big community community.

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Speaker 2: That big community in Dearborn Heights, and the mayor of

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Speaker 2: Dearborn Heights. Actually this is according to the Detroit News

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Speaker 2: correct and this is uh, this is a frightening, frightening

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Speaker 2: bit of information that could lend some insight into what

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Speaker 1: Well, it's terrifying to think something directly happening at war

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Speaker 1: set someone off here. And according to this mayor, the

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Speaker 1: mayor has reported this directly to the Detroit News there

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Speaker 1: that in fact, Gazali's family was killed during this war

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Speaker 1: in Lebanon during air strikes. As the Detroit News put it,

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Speaker 1: the mayor says, quote earlier this month, he lost several

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Speaker 1: members of his own family, including his niece and nephew,

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Speaker 1: in an Israeli attack on their home in Lebanon. Now

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Speaker 1: robes that is going to have to certainly be confirmed

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Speaker 1: and looked into. But just that is the terrifying thing.

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Speaker 1: This war is underway and it's setting some people off

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Speaker 1: that are already in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and think about that.

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Speaker 2: So we have lost seven service members overseas in Iran.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at what authorities are potentially linking

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Speaker 2: You've got the situation that happened in Austin that you

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Speaker 2: pointed out, where you had that suspect wearing property of

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Speaker 2: Allah and an Iranian flag. Now you have this very

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Speaker 2: specific connection to the Israeli attack on Lebanon Hesbola. But

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Speaker 2: he lost members of his own family, and you now

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Speaker 2: have potentially this ISIS. I don't even know what to

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Speaker 2: say if he's connected to ISIS or if he's just someone.

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Speaker 3: Who believes in the.

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Speaker 2: Operations and message of isis directly linked now to this

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Speaker 2: shooting in Virginia. This is frightening, frightening stuff because we

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Speaker 2: don't know how many other people might be harboring these feelings,

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Speaker 2: might be harboring these resentments, might be personally impacted and

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Speaker 2: have family members who have been victims of this war.

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Speaker 2: We just don't know, and that's the scary part.

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Speaker 1: For my dear Amy Robot, I am TJ. Holmes. We

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