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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it? I did it because I

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Speaker 3: was foolish.

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Speaker 4: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcasts Guy, John Annick,

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian. Oh my god, here're your hosts, John Annick

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Speaker 4: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: Oh great to be back with you. Is it great

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Speaker 3: to be back with you?

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Speaker 5: It is Monday, July ninth, twenty eighteen, Episode one sixty

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Speaker 5: two of the Anak and Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 3: What a weekend Flow, What a time to be alive?

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Speaker 3: Are you alive?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I hope you made some money this weekend,

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Speaker 5: because every time I to eurned on my TV. I'm

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Speaker 5: lying actually, because there was no f S one in

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Speaker 5: the hotel, But every time I turned on my TV,

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Speaker 5: you're either doing away and show a pre fight show,

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Speaker 5: a post fight show, two fight cards. I've been there before.

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Speaker 5: I only had the one show this weekend. How are

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Speaker 5: you holding up?

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Speaker 6: My apologies to everyone who had to see my face

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Speaker 6: for three, four or five consecutive days. Uh, you know, man,

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Speaker 6: I survived. I survived Vegas. My voice is just holding on,

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Speaker 6: but man, it was worth it. What a weekend of

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Speaker 6: fights and my goodness seeing our friend DC MMA. Uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, work it, work it in that fight against

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Speaker 6: t I Michic was a thing of beauty.

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Speaker 3: Man, unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: And how about our Fox camera guys going single on

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Speaker 5: you today? I like that too, after long weekend.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to on the tie, the tiredness on my face? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: uh so what a Monday morning to wake up?

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Speaker 5: If if your name is Daniel Cormier, huh, I mean

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Speaker 5: absolutely incredible what this guy has accomplished. And anyone who

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Speaker 5: knows him just knows how genuine he is, and they

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Speaker 5: know that this really couldn't have happened to a more

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Speaker 5: deserving guy. And I'm happy that he's going to be

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Speaker 5: a very wealthy man, but I think more happy that

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Speaker 5: he was able to realize this type of athletic accomplishment

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Speaker 5: because clearly he was waiting to exhale, and clearly his

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Speaker 5: UFC Light Heavyweight Championship that he defended three times didn't

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Speaker 5: scratch the itch the way this win.

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Speaker 3: Did for him.

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Speaker 6: It's amazing, Man DC. This is Stanford Daniel Cormier or

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Speaker 6: double champ right now. This is one of the few

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Speaker 6: guys who have won a belt, who've on a second belt,

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Speaker 6: and even fewer that have done it at the exact

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Speaker 6: same time, being the light heavyweight champion and the heavyweight champ. Now,

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Speaker 6: it's an amazing accomplishment. This is a fight for Daniel.

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Speaker 6: It was all about legacy. It was all about martial arts,

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Speaker 6: showing that the smaller man can go out there and

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Speaker 6: get the win. Now, obviously he was a little bit

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Speaker 6: heavier than steep A Miacic, but obviously it was clear

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Speaker 6: the larger man. This is a guy with a heavyweight

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Speaker 6: bone structure, six foot four, a massive man had the

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Speaker 6: to get it done, getting in on the inside, battling

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Speaker 6: great start and DC was able to get the win.

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Speaker 5: Step A certainly had some moments early on in the fight.

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Speaker 5: The fight, of course, didn't last all that long final

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Speaker 5: in terms of the fight itself, Kenny and the execution,

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Speaker 5: I think among d c's foremost thoughts after the fact were, man,

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Speaker 5: I could have been the greatest heavyweight of all time

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Speaker 5: if I had just stuck to this and you come

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Speaker 5: back to this division sooner he left obviously because of

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Speaker 5: Kane Velaskiz. As far as the approach here, it seemed

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Speaker 5: like everything they were trying to do, as far as

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Speaker 5: capitalizing on openings that stepe A historically has left, they

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and d C knew exactly what kind of fight

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Speaker 6: You look at what DC has done at light heavyweight,

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Speaker 6: You know, I think the guys are are still very

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Speaker 6: You know, those are guys that are going to prepare

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Speaker 6: D C was dropping a lot of his heavyweight sparring

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Speaker 6: And as DC was talking about, he is very dangerous

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Speaker 6: for how good he is as a striker as well.

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Speaker 6: I mean he hit extremely hard and you add in,

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Speaker 6: you know another twenty pounds or so to that frame

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Speaker 5: Man, And how about just the natural athlete, right, I mean,

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Speaker 5: watch this guy shoot a fifteen foot around a basketball court.

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Speaker 5: He got a full football scholarship to Louisiana State University

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Speaker 5: and didn't take it because he wanted to wrestle. And

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Speaker 5: per view, Kenny right, he lost the bronze medal match

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Speaker 5: realize the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship, but as you saw

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Speaker 5: putting one on it as well. So for him to

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Speaker 5: one of the singular biggest wins in the UFC history.

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Speaker 3: I would probably argue it's the biggest.

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Speaker 5: I think you can argue Connor McGregor against Eddie Alvarez

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Speaker 5: With all due respect, DC just returned from a five

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Speaker 5: least on paper, was the most accomplished UFC heavyweight champion

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Speaker 5: of all time. So I don't know that there's any

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Speaker 5: overstating how big this win is for DC. We talk

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Speaker 5: about these performances Kenny by underdogs in a championship situation.

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Speaker 5: I know DC had a belt here, but Hafel dos

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Speaker 5: Anjos against Anthony Pettis and more recently, I guess rose

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Speaker 5: enambi Unis against Joanna Young jcheck. But for me, and

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Speaker 5: couldn't into a better guy, and I haven't really thought

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Speaker 5: about much else honestly, as we sit here almost forty

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Speaker 6: Now, it really is remarkable what he was able to do,

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Speaker 6: and the fact that he did this against step A Miacich,

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Speaker 3: So look at what DC has done.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he just beat step A Miacich and he

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Speaker 6: be deceived by how a fighter looks. You gotta look

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Speaker 6: he's capable of doing with his body, not whether the

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Speaker 6: DC is that guy who really is a tremendous athlete

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Speaker 6: and people sleep on him all the time. They don't

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Speaker 6: this performance against step A, I mean, he has established

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Speaker 5: Well, maybe he can fight with his shirt on. I

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Speaker 5: was telling Joe Rogan after the fact he saw Jamie

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Speaker 5: I was just afraid of going skins and shirts.

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Speaker 6: You can get a little makeup on the stomach there,

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Speaker 3: Put some abs on there, little pack, give me a

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Speaker 5: Although my wife did get me a personal trainer for

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Speaker 5: my fortieth birthday, so wow. So no, I don't want

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Speaker 3: Then the girls start falling you around, you get it's

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Speaker 5: So if you had to fight to if you had

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Speaker 5: your dog's life this weekend, right, Stepe or Rumble Johnson?

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Speaker 3: Who would you rather face? Man?

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Speaker 5: And I only bring it up in the context of

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Speaker 5: a dead horse Kenny, but John Jones never fought Rumble,

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Speaker 5: the guy to knockout John Jones.

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Speaker 3: We never got that answer.

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Speaker 5: To me, if there's one fight that we never saw

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Speaker 5: DC's experience at light heavyweight and those skilled guys and

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Speaker 6: Night, without a doubt, and I think DC, knowing that

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Speaker 6: Steve A. Micic isn't the best kicker in the world.

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna punch a hole in this fucking sucks.

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Speaker 4: That's what I watch the Ray Longo minute during Ray

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Speaker 8: I'm very insulted, very insulted, very We kept it.

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Speaker 7: It's right behind me. But not today.

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Speaker 6: Because he was one of the greatest before he just

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Speaker 3: Because I think that's where d C.

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Speaker 8: So because what he even did, the you know, selflessness

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Speaker 8: birth of his first kid. I believe it's his first kid.

437
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 8: And he's gonna chill out and he's gonna be right

438
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 8: back in the gym. I think he's got his priority straight.

439
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 8: And uh, you know, he took one shot in the

440
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 8: clinch and and and not for nothing. Man, you know,

441
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 8: I think he he was definitely out, but I think

442
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 8: he was all right.

443
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna be a long term thing.

444
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 8: But those it was the punches after that really put

445
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 8: the nail on the coffin in DC man great killer

446
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 8: ins think, oh yeah, you know. I mean he finished

447
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 8: that fight the way you're supposed to finish a freaking fight.

448
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 9: Man.

449
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 8: So if he does, if he waits one second longer,

450
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 8: that guy recovers completely.

451
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Speaker 7: I think.

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

453
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Speaker 5: So obviously last week on the Chris I'm in Front,

454
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 5: it was brought to our attention that Robert Whitaker wanted

455
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 5: to face him in November at the show at Madison

456
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 5: Square Garden UFC two thirty. I think it is, but

457
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 5: promotionally they're going in a different direction. They're doing the

458
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 5: Ultimate Fighter with Gastolom and Robert Whittaker, and then they'll

459
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 5: fight thereafter. So what do you think for Chris at

460
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 5: this point, it's not going to be a championship fight.

461
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 5: I know he wants to get back in there and

462
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 5: not waste time. He got called out by bo Ashena

463
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 5: this weekend. I actually turned down the Palo Costa fight

464
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 5: for you guys, though I respectfully declined that fight.

465
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 3: For you guys, you don't have.

466
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Speaker 7: To worry if that guy's a man.

467
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know then, I don't even know

468
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 8: what There was a picture of that guy's bicyp like

469
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 8: on Instagram of him throwing a hook.

470
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 7: That's just not a natural bicyp.

471
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 6: Listen, me and bojash and you have similar body types.

472
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 6: I was all natural, right, I tell you right. So

473
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 6: it's awesome.

474
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Speaker 8: It's look, I thought you Ryah hole had a great

475
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 8: fight with him, man, and if he would have just

476
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 8: stuck to the jib and stayed with that he was

477
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 8: he was, he could have won that fight, you know.

478
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 8: But the other guy is a beast, and uh, you know,

479
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 8: if he's if he's clean and he gets he keeps going,

480
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 8: he'll have a great future, that kid.

481
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 7: And he seems like a nice guy.

482
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 8: So but yeah, I think that right now, Chris, I

483
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 8: think that fights at the end of November, so they

484
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 8: might make him an alternate to wait to see if

485
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 8: somebody gets injured, he could always stand.

486
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: And I like that Alexander Volkov style. I like that.

487
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think that's going to be the route

488
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 8: at this point because it's everything.

489
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 7: The timing is pretty.

490
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 8: Close to when he would be fighting anyway, so that

491
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 8: might not be a bad option.

492
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 7: And then if that doesn't happen.

493
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 8: He'll probably fight like immediately in December, like earlier.

494
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 7: You know, something like that.

495
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Speaker 5: The alternate angle makes a lot of sense. My prediction is, though,

496
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 5: and I could be wrong. I think that they might

497
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 5: offer you that Palo Costa fight for November.

498
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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.

499
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 7: How could I could see that?

500
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 3: We'll see.

501
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 5: All right, Hey, I've been wrong before. I've been wrong

502
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 5: a lot. Right, all right, last thing, ceremony your buddy

503
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 5: Matt Sarah. Congratulations to him. He was going to come

504
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 5: on the podcast today, but he didn't pay up his phone.

505
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 5: He he got. He went off the rails a little

506
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 5: bit during the speech. I know it was a tough

507
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 5: act for him to follow after you went up there

508
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 5: and just lit the arena on fire. But overall had

509
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 5: to go down for you guys this weekend. For those

510
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 5: that weren't watching on Fight Pass.

511
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 8: Oh man, I thought it was I thought it was

512
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 8: a great night. Look, it was a real big honor

513
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 8: for me. I watched this kid, you know, go from

514
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 8: a boy to a man, a man to a fall.

515
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 8: You know what the saying is, I really watched this

516
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 8: guy grow up and become an entrepreneur, a TV personality,

517
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 8: radio guy. I mean, he's just a good dude who shows.

518
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 8: I think he like again, he really did pave the

519
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 8: way for all future Long Island fighters to dream big

520
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 8: and go after your goals. And I think that alone

521
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 8: is worth a lot, you know what I mean, give

522
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 8: it everybody on the island hope.

523
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 7: Look at what this guy's done. Man, this is great stuff.

524
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 8: And you know, he got off to a rocky start

525
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 8: with you know, losing to Shony Carter. And again, one

526
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 8: of the things I left out was even after that

527
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 8: loss and he had a look at that loss for Revin,

528
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 8: that was pretty brutal knockout.

529
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 7: But when he coached him on the show, Kenny, I mean,

530
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 7: he coached that guy like he was his.

531
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 8: Own student, with passion, enthusiastic, really wanted the best for

532
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 8: Shone even though they were competing against each other. And

533
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 8: then he went on to beat Shony after that on

534
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 8: the show, which is remarkable in itself. I don't know,

535
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 8: I can't say enough good things about the guy. He

536
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 8: really the negativity he had to go through to win

537
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 8: that title and everybody doubting them, and you know, he

538
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 8: told the story about you know, he was waiting to

539
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 8: do a show and he heard the production people talking

540
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 8: about the fight after him, already happening in Canada. He's like, dude, yeah,

541
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 8: I didn't even fight yet, like you're I mean, it

542
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 8: was that bit, and it was one thing I left

543
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 8: out that I'll share only with the Anak and Florian podcast.

544
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 7: But one thing I left out.

545
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 8: I mean, there was one night he sends me a

546
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 8: cartoon picture, and the cartoon picture was the only way

547
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 8: Matt Sarah could win. It was when him and Saint

548
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 8: Pierre would touch gloves and the jumbo tron fell on

549
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 8: Saint Pierre and killed him immediately.

550
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 7: And that was he goes, what the fuck? What the

551
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 7: fuck is this? Oh yeah, it's pretty obviously. Think you

552
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 7: suck and you have no chance of winning. I mean,

553
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 7: what do you mean? What is it?

554
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 8: I mean, that's that's how bad it was, Kenny. I mean,

555
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 8: he didn't get any respect anywhere. And I if I

556
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 8: tell you, I swear to god, I knew he was

557
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 8: winning that fight.

558
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 7: I'm telling you from me my heart. You know it was.

559
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 8: It was just crazy and I don't know who had said,

560
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 8: but nothing great ever happens without enthusiasm. Man, were we

561
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 8: enthusiastic about that fight. Man, and I at the relaxation

562
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 8: and we could go on. I really want to start

563
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 8: posting stuff on Instagram, the stories just surrounding that fight alone.

564
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 8: I talked for fifteen minutes, not that I wasn't nervous,

565
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 8: I mean, but I had fifteen minutes of material that

566
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 8: I had to cut down.

567
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 7: The five minutes.

568
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 8: But it was a different, different point in time, and

569
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 8: it was it was just amazing what that guy did.

570
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 8: And George at the time was considered unbeatable. So yeah,

571
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 8: I don't know, it could never be almost replaced. I mean,

572
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 8: I think even for the two guys, even for Chris

573
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 8: Whyden and beating Anderson Silvera, Nobody's ever gonna do that.

574
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 7: For the one reason is that.

575
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 8: I don't even think there's gonna be two guys that

576
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 8: dominant in the sport again that people could beat, you

577
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 8: know what I mean. So it's gonna take it's gonna

578
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 8: take a lot to really replicate what happened.

579
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 7: And you were back there, Kenny with Saint Pierre at

580
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 7: that time.

581
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 8: I mean, that was a huge, huge upset man, it

582
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 8: really was, and what he had to go through to

583
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 8: get there, and negativity and I remember doing like the

584
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 8: countdown specially and going, Matt's a little harder to hit

585
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 8: than you think. The camera guy starts laughing. I'm like,

586
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 8: you guys, you guys, you can't be seriously that nobody

587
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 8: gave this guy.

588
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: It's a real life rocky story, man, it really is.

589
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 6: It's used all the time, but that it legitimately, uh

590
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 6: you know, and the manner of which he did it,

591
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 6: you know.

592
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 8: And I really, I really, and I promise I have

593
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 8: to get I really want to write a book about that,

594
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 8: because it's not a book about the fight, it's just

595
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 8: a book about friendship.

596
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 7: And I mean, it's hard enough to stay friends with

597
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 7: a guy for twenty five years. That alone is a problem.

598
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 8: Just what you know, when he lost his first fight

599
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 8: in the UFC, could have got rid of me, but

600
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 8: he we believed in each other. We kept pushing forward,

601
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 8: and he got dropped from the UFC, was back in

602
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 8: the UFC, gets to comeback space crazy. It's just it's

603
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 8: insane when you did so he deserves it. It was

604
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 8: an honor for me to present that speech and all

605
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 8: good stuff.

606
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: And you might want to turn that book into a screenplay, man.

607
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, I mean I think it's a great story.

608
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 8: It really is, Yeah, really about friendship and loyalty and

609
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 8: a lot of Next week we tell another story because

610
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 8: there's a couple of things that really.

611
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 7: They made me cut out of the speech that that

612
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 7: should have been in there, that really show you who

613
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 7: this guy is.

614
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 8: Man.

615
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: Well, that speech can be the foundation for the book.

616
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: But as I as I said when I introduced you,

617
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 5: it's the upset against which all UFC upsets will heretofore

618
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 5: be compared. You know, that's the one. It was amazing

619
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 5: the jumbo tron fell at clip George's ankle. Matt followed

620
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 5: up with the left hand, you know, unbelievable, just unbelievable.

621
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 5: And even if no, I'm just kidding. So if somebody

622
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 5: I gotta let you go, we're way over the clock.

623
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 5: But if if somebody wants to meet you, like, is

624
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: it just as simple as walking into Longo Wideman m

625
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: m A.

626
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: Or is there do they have to be vetted? Is

627
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: there a screening process?

628
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 5: We have metal detectors, Like could someone just listen to

629
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 5: this show, know about the time we tape it and

630
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 5: and barge right in and and and shake that tan

631
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 5: hand hand of yours?

632
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, John, You're absolutely correct.

633
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: Wow, I better not go to the office though. That's

634
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: where I draw the line going to the office.

635
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 8: I'm chained to this place. So yeah, it's real easy.

636
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 8: Just come down to the gym and I guarantee you

637
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 8: a couple of laughs.

638
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: All right, Well, thank you for your extended time. Thank

639
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 5: you for not using the word retard this week. Ray,

640
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: we appreciate that.

641
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 7: Very good. Yeah, you gotta we gotta go over what's

642
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 7: politically correct.

643
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: I'm very I'm sending you a list, you know.

644
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 8: Politically correctness. We should be able to really say things

645
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 8: and have.

646
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: A live I know, I know.

647
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: Ray called me this morning, Kenny, He's like, can I

648
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 5: say this on the show? I said, no, you can't

649
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 5: say that on the show. You got to set him

650
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 5: a list.

651
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, tell Kenny what it was.

652
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 5: When we get off, I will, I will, all right,

653
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: have a good week. Thank you, you're the man, right,

654
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 5: thanks right, thanks man By. I mean unbelievable the words

655
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 5: that this guy's asking me if he can say in

656
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, and I think these are words that in

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Speaker 5: Org number thirty thirty. So after this fight between Daniel

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Speaker 5: Cormier and Stepe Miachich and man, this clock is going

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Speaker 5: quickly today. We haven't even touched on Max Holloway, Brian

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Speaker 5: or take and never mind brock Lessner. But you tweet

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Speaker 5: it after the DC steep A fight, Kenny, that that

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Speaker 5: steep Bay.

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Speaker 3: Easily could have been the one to land the shot.

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Speaker 5: And I think part of this suite was certainly trying

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Speaker 5: to make Stepe feel good, and I appreciate the value

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Speaker 5: of your tweet. Beyond that, I guess I'm bringing it

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Speaker 5: up in the context of how competitive you think this

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Speaker 5: fight would be if they fought ten times, because certainly

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Speaker 5: Stepe had moments early and DC's chin held up when

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Speaker 5: he landed those power shots. But I sort of feel

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Speaker 5: like DC is the better MMA fight, or is the

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Speaker 5: superior athlete, And if they fought ten times that maybe

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Speaker 5: Cormier would win seven or eight of those fights.

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Speaker 3: Am I out of my mind? Listen?

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Speaker 6: I think DC has seen a better competition. He's seen

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Speaker 6: more skillful competitors over the course of his career, and

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Speaker 6: he certainly has the edge there with his wrestling. Does

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Speaker 6: he hit as hard as Steep Bay though? I think

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Speaker 6: he proved that Yes he does. I mean he's got

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Speaker 6: heavyweight power, which was kind of surprising. I wasn't sure

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Speaker 6: if he was going to be able to hit as

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Speaker 6: hard as a guy like Stepe. He did take his shots,

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Speaker 6: he felt like, you know, Steepe didn't really hurt him

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Speaker 6: with any of those, but Stepe was definitely a mustling

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Speaker 6: around the octagon to start that fight, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: I do think step It could win that fight. Listen.

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Speaker 6: It's a heavyweight fight with four ounce gloves. Anything could happen.

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Speaker 6: He wasn't able to clip d C. Do I think

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Speaker 6: d C's the better fighter? Well, he proved on Saturday Night.

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Speaker 6: I think anytime you get a heavyweight fight, I think

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Speaker 6: a guy you know is always going to be capable

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Speaker 6: of knocking out the other guy when they're swinging leather

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Speaker 6: Stepe is very skillful.

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Speaker 3: I think DC would win. DC would win the majority

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Speaker 3: of those ten fights.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, all right, So in terms of DC's all

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Speaker 5: time status, I promised a lot of people that I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't go too deep on the greatest of all time conversation.

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Speaker 5: And even though I like to speak in absolutes, it's

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Speaker 5: not that I love this goat conversation. But one thing

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Speaker 5: I think we can all agree on, Kenny, if you

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Speaker 5: are choosing to have that conversation as you briefly had

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Speaker 5: with Ray Longo, and it's July ninth, twenty eighteen, you

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Speaker 5: can't have that conversation without mentioning Demetrius Johnson, George Saint Pierre,

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Speaker 5: and now Daniel Cormier. If you want to mention John

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Speaker 5: Jones and Anderson Silva despite the training disgressions, that is

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Speaker 5: fine with me. I'm not giving you which way I'm

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Speaker 5: thinking in these five The point is is that last

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Speaker 5: week on this podcast, if we were having that conversation,

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Speaker 5: DC was not in it. And I don't know how

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Speaker 5: you could have that conversation now based upon what he's

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Speaker 5: done and not include him in it, if not start

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Speaker 5: the conversation with him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean again, it's incredible what he what he

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Speaker 6: accomplished on Saturday Night. It comes down to your definition

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Speaker 6: of what you think the greatest of all time is

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Speaker 6: and what you're looking for. You know, are you looking

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Speaker 6: for skill? Are you looking for how they're capable of

747
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Speaker 6: winning a fight? You're probably looking towards guys like Demetrius

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Speaker 6: Johnson if you're looking at you know, competitors, you know,

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Speaker 6: battling back from adversity, You're probably looking at guys like

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Speaker 6: a Daniel Cormier. You know, are you looking for guys

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Speaker 6: who are kind of the pioneers or leading into what

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Speaker 6: the modern mixed martial arts fighter would look like. You're

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Speaker 6: looking at a guy like George Saint Pierre. Consistency, you know,

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Speaker 6: quality of competition. DC and George San Pierre both have

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Speaker 6: that Demetrius might not. So again, there's a lot to

756
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Speaker 6: that conversation. DC certainly put him in that put himself

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Speaker 6: in that conversation of who the greatest of all time

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Speaker 6: is and the fact that he's able to do this

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Speaker 6: at thirty nine years old. It's incredible, and I.

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Speaker 5: Do think the most likely scenario for DC is two

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Speaker 5: fights and one of them will happen after his fortieth birthday,

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Speaker 5: which is March twentieth, nineteen seventy nine. I know, in

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Speaker 5: a perfect world he'd get it in before his fortieth birthday.

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Speaker 5: But I think what's going to happen is he'll have

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Speaker 5: one more maybe late this year, and then the Brock

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Speaker 5: Lesnar fight to close the show, or he'll just wait

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Speaker 5: on the Lesnar fight and that will delay that second

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Speaker 5: and last fight for DC.

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Speaker 3: You think that's pretty accurate flow. Yeah, Listen, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if he takes a fight before Brock Lesner no, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: and in which case he'd have to wait till next.

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Speaker 6: Year, right, yeah, exactly, because I guess there's some talk

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Speaker 6: of about you know, obviously Brock would have to be

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Speaker 6: in the USADA testing pool for a period of time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, six months is what DC told us as well.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, that that puts you into next year and then,

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Speaker 6: you know, can he get another fight in the meantime,

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure, right, and I don't know if he

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Speaker 6: even wants that. I don't think a rematch against Alexander

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Speaker 6: Gussison makes sense. That's the other guy at two hundred

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Speaker 6: five pounds didn't do that before Brock, No, absolutely not,

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Speaker 6: and it doesn't make sense. That's not a big money

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Speaker 6: fight really anyway, compared to a guy like Brock Lesner

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Speaker 6: or John Jones. So I think those are the two

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Speaker 6: guys left that I think really makes sense for DC,

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Speaker 6: and I'm sure for DC, those are the two guys

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Speaker 6: that he would fight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would be stunned to see him fight Alexander

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Speaker 5: Gustafson again at this point. I would be stunned to

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Speaker 5: see him cut to two hundred and five pounds and

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Speaker 5: defend that title. Despite what he said Saturday night. I

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Speaker 5: think it's two fights to your point, one against brock

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Speaker 5: Lesner and one against John Jones, and the Lesner one

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Speaker 5: will probably be the first shoot to drop.

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Speaker 6: And what's not really being talked about now is what

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Speaker 6: happens that light heavyweight belt. Does he now have to

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Speaker 6: vacate that belt?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll vy Connord, Yeah, which I don't think he

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Speaker 5: cares about. You know, he got it back, defended it again, right,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think he's in any great rush to

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Speaker 5: weigh two hundred and five pounds again in his lifetime.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: So in terms of the brock Lesner stuff, I can

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Speaker 5: assure our audience this was not scripted. If it was

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Speaker 5: one of our producers who shall remain nameless, would have

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Speaker 5: told us before the time that he did that Lesner

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Speaker 5: was coming, right, And we did find out a couple

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Speaker 5: hours before Brock was there, but there was nothing scripted

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Speaker 5: about it. And Kenny, anybody who knows Daniel Cormier, anybody

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Speaker 5: who's a fan of this sport, knows that even if

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Speaker 5: Brock was nowhere to be found and not in the building,

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Speaker 5: that your boy DC was calling brock Lesner out.

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Speaker 3: If he beats Stepe regardless.

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Speaker 5: So Brock's appearance there, which we will get to, happened,

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Speaker 5: but DC, brock Lesner was going to be the name

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Speaker 5: on the tip of his tongue if he beats Stepe anyway, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's a fight he's wanted for a while,

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Speaker 6: and he's talked about that.

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Speaker 3: DC, as a lot of people know, is a pro

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Speaker 3: wrestling fan.

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Speaker 6: I think that's what kind of threw everybody for a loop,

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Speaker 6: was the fact that Daniel was kind of giggling a

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Speaker 6: little bit out there, and I think Brock was as well,

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Speaker 6: saying hey, I'm right here, and and DC, I'm not

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Speaker 6: sure I really believe what was going on at the time,

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Speaker 6: it was kind of chuckling at the idea of like, Wow,

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Speaker 6: I'm actually gonna fight brock Lesner. I could actually fight

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Speaker 6: this guy. So I think that's what kind of made

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Speaker 6: it a little funny. But yeah, these guys definitely do

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Speaker 6: want to fight. D C was not happy about being

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Speaker 6: pushed in there, and he almost went right across the octagon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I love that fight, man, I love that fight,

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Speaker 6: And again, it'd be another beautiful demonstration of what mixed

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Speaker 6: martial arts is all about. Can d C beat a

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Speaker 6: monster of a man in brock Lesner, a guy with

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Speaker 6: a wrestling background and definitely a guy who can knock

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Speaker 6: you out with one shot.

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Speaker 3: So I'm fascinated with that fight.

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Speaker 6: Again, I give DC the edge there just based on

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Speaker 6: his immense amount of mixed martial arts experience and his

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Speaker 6: ability to wrestle. We remember what King Velaskas was able

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Speaker 6: to do, you know against Brocken. But still it's a

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Speaker 6: fascinating fight, nonetheless, and I hope it happens.

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Speaker 5: DC's MMA dream sequence, other than beating John Jones, was

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Speaker 5: always to have this fight against brock Lester. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Cormier is a massive WWE fan, probably the biggest pro

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Speaker 5: wrestling fan on the roster. So even though he was

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Speaker 5: maybe surprised to get shoved with that type of force

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Speaker 5: behind it, right, which maybe went a little bit further

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Speaker 5: down that pro wrestling road than a lot of people

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Speaker 5: would like. But Cormier had to be pinching himself, man,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is the fight that he's always wanted.

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Speaker 5: His eyes turned green as this thing was going down, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, and I know we're both happy that our

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Speaker 5: friend is going to be a very very wealthy man.

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Speaker 5: So good on Daniel Cormier for that. What a crazy weekend,

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Speaker 5: and happy I know we both were to be a

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Speaker 5: small part of it. We were not thrilled to be

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Speaker 5: a part of Francis and Gano and Derek Lewis incidentally,

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Speaker 5: and sometimes these heavyweight fights that you think are going

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Speaker 5: to end in a blink end up going fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of history that suggests that. But Kenny,

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Speaker 5: relative to the expectations going into this comin event, you

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Speaker 5: can argue this was the worst fight in UFC history.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we've seen worse in terms of skill level or

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Speaker 5: fighters that don't belong on the UFC roster, but based

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Speaker 5: upon what people thought this fight was going to be

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Speaker 5: and how it turned out, you can argue this was

871
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 5: the worst fifteen minute display in UFC history.

872
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 6: You can definitely make that argument. Just no action, man.

873
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 6: There were no strikes really thrown, let alone landed. And

874
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 6: I was just really confused because both of these guys

875
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 6: I thought were made for each other in my opinion,

876
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 6: as far as making an exciting fight. Both those guys

877
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 6: with crazy knockout power, they've always fought with a fearless attitude.

878
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 6: And you know, the big hesitation, as we were talking

879
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 6: about a little bit earlier, was Francis coming off that

880
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: loss against Steep Bay, how that was going to affect him. Well,

881
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 6: you know, Francis, I guess tweeted, I don't know if

882
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 6: it was yesterday or today about how that fear from

883
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 6: that last fight against de b Miacic really was carried

884
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 6: over into that fight against Derek Lewis.

885
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: He was afraid to really pull the trigger.

886
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 6: There was a lot of analysis going on both those guys,

887
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 6: and all heavyweights really in general, as we found out

888
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 6: from Daniel Cormier, are going to be dangerous in the

889
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 6: pocket period, and I think those guys were just way

890
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 6: too afraid to get in there and trade. Even Derek Lewis,

891
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 6: the shot that he was throwing were leg kicks from

892
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 6: the outside. Didn't want to risk it. But at least

893
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 6: he was fighting a little bit more than Francis and Gonod.

894
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 6: There's no doubt that Derek Lewis deserved that win. You know,

895
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 6: I think France is going to be looking back at

896
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 6: that fight and scratching his head going what was I

897
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 6: thinking here?

898
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 5: Well, he's gonna have a lot of pressure on when

899
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: he returns, and he did offer up an extended statement

900
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 5: expressing his remorse, and a lot of people MMA authorities

901
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 5: sort of are trying to support him, and I think

902
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 5: we all should. I mean, fighters had been there before

903
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 5: and certly those non athletes like me out there aren't

904
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 5: going to be levying too much criticism when it comes

905
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 5: to this performance. But it's pretty tricky, right, I Mean,

906
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: you get this type of showcase and that fight ends

907
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: up the result and the crowd does the wave, right.

908
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 5: I can't ever remember the crowd doing the wave at

909
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 5: a UFC live event, so forgettable for sure. Between those

910
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 5: two and I did I did reference the Constantina Rokean

911
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 5: Gabriel Gonzaga Fighter was December eleventh of twenty fifteen. If

912
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 5: you really like self punishment, you want to go to

913
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 5: UFC Fight Pass. Check out you Broke in Gonzaga from

914
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 5: December of twenty fifteen, and tell me if you think

915
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 5: it was more entertaining than in Ghanu and Lewis. How

916
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: about Anthony Showtime Pettis, Kenny, I think this was one

917
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 5: of the best stories of the night. Okay, this guy

918
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 5: is no longer traveling three days a week to Chicago

919
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 5: for Izzy style wrestling practice, right, because he can't be

920
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 5: a wrestler at this point of his mixed martial arts career.

921
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: And it's not that he trains no wrestling, right, but

922
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 5: he needed to get back to what brought him here, right,

923
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: and against one of the better grapplers and backtakers in

924
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: the division, he went out and was, you know, submission

925
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: hunting off of his back, which is vintage Anthony Pettis.

926
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: You know, he was striking basics with some flash. I mean,

927
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 5: this was Anthony Showtime Pettis, and a lot of it

928
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: sort of debtails with what you said in the main

929
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: event Challenge last week that skill for skilled. This is

930
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 5: a guy that still stacks up with the elite at

931
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 5: one fifty five, and when he lets it go and

932
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 5: doesn't perseverate over the takedown coming back, he can beat

933
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: a lot of the top guys Kisa included.

934
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and for Kiyosa, you know, he hasn't really developed

935
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 6: as a striker. You know, he's still been the same

936
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 6: guy with the exact same style, and that is his strength,

937
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 6: and that is a style that has given Anthony Pettis

938
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 6: a lot of problems. But this to me seemed like

939
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 6: a passionate Anthony Pettis. It seemed like he really wanted

940
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 6: to be in there and he was able to be

941
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 6: his creative self. You have to know yourself in this

942
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 6: fight game, and you have to balance out adding tools

943
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 6: to your game but also knowing what kind of style

944
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 6: suits you best. And I think for Anthony, you know

945
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 6: that discovery process maybe got a little out of hand,

946
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 6: and I could absolutely relate to that. As a fighter,

947
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 6: sometimes you kind of you go off on a tangent.

948
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: You think this is gonna be good for you, and

949
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 6: you start listening all these coaches around you, or one

950
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 6: coach in particular, you think this is how you got

951
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 6: a fight and that might suit you for a for

952
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 6: a period of time in your career, but maybe not later,

953
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 6: and it was unfortunate, you know, But to see Anthony

954
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 6: Pettis and see how he came back against a very

955
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 6: tough Michael Kisa was really impressive. And I agree, you know,

956
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is a vintage Anthony Pettis

957
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 6: or a new Anthony Pettis, but whatever it was, it

958
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 6: was Anthony Pettis being creative on his feet, hurting his

959
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 6: opponent on the feet and finishing him off on the mat.

960
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: It was spectacular performance.

961
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 6: And again, just talking to him after the fight, it

962
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 6: seems like this is how he is going to be

963
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 6: moving forward, entertaining, going back to that entertain style and

964
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 6: doing it all the way back to another title shot.

965
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: And for Michael Kiss, I mean, this is a tough

966
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 5: one to swallow. He was waiting for that high, high

967
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 5: profile name opponent, got it and didn't do much with it.

968
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: Misweight beforehand, likely moving up to welter weight. I know

969
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: there were some rumblings that maybe there was an injury

970
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: that prevented him from cutting some of that weight, but

971
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: you know, wagging his finger in the face of one

972
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: of the greatest strikers in UFC history and paid for

973
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 5: it shortly thereafter. Any parallel to be drawn between you

974
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 5: and Anthony Pattison, I mean, I know when you were

975
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 5: fighting Gray Maynard, and if I'm reaching, I'm reaching. You

976
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 5: felt like you're a better striker than Gray Maynard every

977
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: day of the week you had hired Sean Gray, I

978
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 5: believe as your wrestling coach. I mean, do you feel

979
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 5: like you were overly focused on stopping the takedown going

980
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 5: in that night or is that a reach out?

981
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 6: Well, that was actually prior to before I hired Shot.

982
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wasn't wrestling much at all.

983
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 6: But regardless of that, yeah, I was absolutely over analyzing

984
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 6: the whole situation. And it was frustrating because every time

985
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 6: I came forward, he moved back and he really didn't

986
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 6: want to engage. Was forced me to eventually come forward

987
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 6: and then I'll get taken down at the end of

988
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 6: the round and he.

989
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: Would steal that round. It was just it was really annoying.

990
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 6: And yeah, I mean sometimes you can think about things

991
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 6: way too much, or you integrate things, you start listening

992
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 6: to certain coaches and what you should be doing, and yeah.

993
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: It can go wrong very quickly.

994
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 6: So just balancing that of what you're supposed to be

995
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 6: doing for each camp against what fighter, And it's a

996
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 6: very difficult thing in this game. And you know that's

997
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 6: why you need the best people around you, but you

998
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 6: also need to know yourself and listen to your intuition.

999
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: The best that you can.

1000
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 6: So again, I could absolutely relate to that, and that

1001
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 6: fight against Gray Maynard was one of those frustrating ones.

1002
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: I mean, there are a lot of instances in Anthony

1003
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: Pettis's career and I think he has seven UFC losses.

1004
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: There are a lot of instances if you go back

1005
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 5: and watch film where instead of submission hunting off of

1006
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 5: his back, he's just trying to get up right. Yeah,

1007
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: And because I think in modern day mixed martial arts

1008
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: were so trained that if you're fighting off of your back,

1009
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: you're not winning around And I don't know, I mean,

1010
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: we'll see how it goes for Pettis moving forward, but

1011
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 5: this was pretty enlightening to talk to a fighter, right.

1012
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 5: He had this whole spiel Kenny back in April when

1013
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 5: this fight was supposed to go down and didn't, and

1014
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 5: then he had the successive training on top of that,

1015
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 5: back to back training camps. I thought this was a

1016
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 5: huge result for Anthony Showtime Pettis that at times has

1017
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: really really had his back up against the wall. How

1018
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: about this Mike Perry Paul Felder fight. You got a

1019
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: feel for Paul Felder that there was no bonus money

1020
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 5: attached to this thing. But I think the bigger story

1021
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 5: is platinum Mike Perry in his evolution. He's only twenty

1022
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 5: six years old. This guy had two straight losses coming

1023
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 5: in and knew he needed to make some changes. I

1024
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 5: thought it was a close fight, but I thought the

1025
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 5: guy the right guy won.

1026
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 3: I thought the right guy won as well.

1027
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 6: Obviously, Paul Felder, injuring his arm like that in the fight,

1028
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 6: was awful for him. Very difficult to be able to

1029
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 6: do that in any fight, let alone against a hard

1030
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 6: hitting fighter like Mike Perry. But we got to give

1031
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 6: credit to Mike Perry. This was a different Mike. He

1032
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 6: used some weapons that we haven't quite seen before. He

1033
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 6: was way more diverse in his attack. I thought he

1034
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 6: was a little bit smarter in his approach as well. Man,

1035
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 6: is he dangerous in the clinch? I mean Felder, That's

1036
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 6: where I thought Felder would be a little bit more dangerous,

1037
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 6: but it was really Mike Perry with those elbows that

1038
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 6: were just nasty. And he was throwing kicks from the

1039
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 6: outside as well, so he was moving his head, he

1040
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: was fainting his way in and once again, you know,

1041
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 6: we have a fighter who has kind of reinvented himself

1042
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 6: after going to Greg Jackson and Mike Wicklejohn that's kind

1043
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 6: of the place to go to reinvent yourself.

1044
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: We saw that with Alistair overing Andrea Orlowski.

1045
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 6: Diego Sanchez ended up going back to his original team

1046
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 6: to kind of reinvent himself a little bit.

1047
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: So it was good to see. And I think Mike

1048
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: Perry made the right choice here.

1049
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 6: And I'm interested to see what he does moving forward

1050
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 6: and if he can kind of add to that arsenal skill.

1051
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 5: And you know what's interesting is that he is leaving Albuquerque,

1052
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: New Mexico now. He is moving to Las Vegas. He's

1053
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 5: going to buy a house in Las Vegas. He's hoping

1054
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: to convince Frank Lester to move there with him. Because

1055
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 5: of all the people he connected with that Jackson, Wank

1056
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 5: frank Lester was really the guy, his primary pad holder

1057
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 5: and the guy that he feels like he needs with

1058
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 5: him every day in training, and if Frank doesn't go,

1059
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 5: maybe he ends up buying a house in Albuquerque. But

1060
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 5: he's got his nickname Platinum tattooed above his eyebrow. I

1061
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: think he wants to be in Las Vegas right and

1062
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 5: not necessarily Albuquerque, New Mexico. But it'll be interesting if

1063
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: he still is cornered by Jackson and Wink. But again,

1064
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: this is a guy who's got a nice little fan base,

1065
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 5: and he's certainly got a fan or two fans in US.

1066
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 5: So good on Platinum, Mike perryot for Paul Felder, Kenny,

1067
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 5: I haven't spoken with him yet, but I think he'll

1068
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 5: probably move back down to one hundred and fifty five pounds.

1069
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 5: I think the tricky thing here is that there's going

1070
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: to be some time to heal, and I know he's

1071
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 5: got several dates on Dana White's Tuesa Night Contender series

1072
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: and some commentary gigs coming up. But you know, if

1073
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 5: this ends up keeping him out for the balance of

1074
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, then this year will sort of be a

1075
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 5: lost year when it comes to lightweight contention for Paul Felder.

1076
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 5: And these are things fighters have to deal with. But

1077
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 5: when when you think about the totality of Saturday night,

1078
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 5: it wasn't a good night ultimately for the Irish track.

1079
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 6: Listen, it's unfortunate, But the end of the day, this

1080
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 6: is not in his weight class that he trained for.

1081
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 6: He was obviously getting ready for James Fick at one

1082
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty five pounds. Paul Felder a huge lightweight,

1083
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 6: probably a welcome change on fight week not having to

1084
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 6: cut all that weight. But you know, you saw the

1085
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 6: power of Mike perry Man, his ability to hit those takedowns,

1086
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 6: and you know, I think Felder is probably better suited

1087
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 6: at one hundred and fifty five pounds or you know,

1088
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 6: either that he stays at well to rate and decides

1089
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 6: to kind of add a little bit more muscle on

1090
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 6: his frame. But yeah, this was a tough one. This

1091
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 6: is a tough one. Paul Felder trying to establish himself

1092
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 6: as one of the elite lightweights. Having to take this

1093
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 6: fight at at one seventy show what kind of fighter

1094
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 6: he is, you know, dealing with that arm injury. But

1095
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 6: more than anything else that I would have liked to

1096
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 6: see him stick to his fundamentals a little bit more.

1097
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: I you know, the spinning stuff.

1098
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 6: It seemed like he was panicking a little bit at

1099
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: times during that fight. But uh again, this is this

1100
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 6: is the you know, this is a game of learning

1101
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 6: in here in a game of knowledge, and you make

1102
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 6: your mistakes, you learn from it, and I'm sure Paul

1103
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 6: Feld will be back that much stronger.

1104
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 5: And Duke Rufis was sort of intimating that as well, saying,

1105
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 5: you know, I need singles, not home runs. I know

1106
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 5: you're moore combinations as well, but more combinations as well,

1107
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 5: not single shots. So a couple other names before we

1108
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 5: quickly touch on Max Holloway and Brian t City or

1109
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 5: take a Khalil Rountree Junior with a big win a

1110
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 5: slide underdog against Go Konsaki that was on the main card,

1111
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 5: and Paolo Costa and middleweight against a very game and

1112
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 5: ready to win your riyah holl uh produced another big

1113
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 5: win and shortly thereafter called out our buddy Chris Widman,

1114
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 5: your thoughts on Roundtree Junior and and Paolo Costa and

1115
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 5: what they were able to accomplish it at one eighty

1116
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 5: five and two oho five respectively.

1117
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's talk about Roundtree first of all. Phenomenal performance,

1118
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 6: man is he fast man. Is he explosive, landed the

1119
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 6: better shots, looked like the better striker, and got the

1120
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 6: knockout over a legendary kickboxer and go Konsaki I tweeted

1121
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 6: about this. But trainers, fighters, coaches, whatever, you are, big

1122
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 6: difference between boxing gloves and mixed martial arts gloves, like

1123
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 6: the fact that guys don't get that, and the fact

1124
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 6: that trainers aren't really making those adjustments and how they

1125
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: train their fighters is just it's mind boggling. You cannot

1126
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 6: get away with just keeping your gloves up and doing

1127
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 6: this and thinking that you're gonna block those shots or

1128
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 6: those little forearms gloves are gonna roll off your forearms.

1129
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: You also can't just stand in the pocket and expect

1130
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: to not get hit there. You need to use way

1131
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: more footwork and mixed martial arts than you do in kickboxing.

1132
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: You can get a little lazy, and kickboxing you got

1133
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 6: bigger gloves to protect your head, protect your chin, and

1134
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 6: you can't do that in mixed martial arts. And I think,

1135
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 6: I truly believe the footwork is much better in mixed

1136
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 6: martial arts. There should be much better in mixed martial

1137
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 6: arts than it is in kickboxing. And for a guy

1138
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 6: like go Konsaki to go in there and just kind

1139
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 6: of trade and stay there and not move his feet

1140
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 6: and just kind of cover up like a traditional boxer,

1141
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 6: a kickboxer, it was.

1142
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: It was a hard lesson. It was a hard lesson.

1143
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 6: Khalil Rowntree made him pay for that, and man, it

1144
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 6: was good to see Roundtree, a good guy like Rowtree exactly.

1145
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. Yep. Man, I told him

1146
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: as much after the fact.

1147
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 5: And maybe you can say it's borderline inexcusable when it

1148
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 5: comes to Go Konsaki, because it's not as though he

1149
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 5: hasn't carved out the time to try to make this

1150
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 5: MMA transition a successful one. But perhaps this was the

1151
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: learning lesson that he needs to to really take that

1152
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 5: requisite next step or our final thing on Max Holloway

1153
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 5: and Brian t city Ortega, Obviously Max Holloway was hospitalized

1154
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 5: not once, but twice. Ultimately this fight went away. Now,

1155
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 5: Michael Bisping in your interview on UFC tonight, seemed alerted

1156
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 5: to the fact that Holloway wasn't all there. So I

1157
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 5: just want to get your thoughts initially on that interview,

1158
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 5: and Holloway clearly not being all there and ultimately the

1159
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: right decision the promotion went with to make sure that

1160
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 5: no more weight was cut and that this fight would

1161
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 5: happen at a later date.

1162
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1163
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 6: I mean, anybody with a set of eyes would have

1164
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 6: been able to tell that something was not right with

1165
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 6: Max Holloway. And you know, Mike was actually over in

1166
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 6: the corner. I don't know if he was getting miked

1167
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 6: up or doing something. And as he walked over, I

1168
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 6: kind of whispered to him, I said it did Max

1169
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 6: just get up? Said is he all right? You know,

1170
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 6: I kind of whispered to him. He's like, what do

1171
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 6: you mean. He went over and he was like, oh

1172
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 6: my god, Yeah, I think something's wrong. And we were

1173
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: kind of talking off camera that he just didn't look right.

1174
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 6: His eyes were looked like he just got up or

1175
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 6: he hit about, you know, did a big bong hit

1176
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 6: before he got up there. Obviously that was not that

1177
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 6: was not that was not the case, and we were

1178
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 6: both really concerned about it. Honestly, I'm not sure I

1179
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 6: would have asked him about it on camera. I didn't

1180
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 6: want to kind of blow up his spot. And Michael

1181
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 6: of was never afraid to ask the question and ask

1182
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 6: the hard question, as he should have honestly, and and uh,

1183
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 6: you know, kudos to Mike for for asking asking Max

1184
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 6: Holloway what was up. And I think Max Holloway actually

1185
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 6: really appreciated that. I know that they kind of went

1186
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 6: back and forth. Hopefully I'm not saying anything I'm not

1187
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 6: supposed to, but uh, yeah, I think for Max, hearing

1188
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 6: someone outside of his camp say, hey, you don't look

1189
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 6: quite right or you don't sound like how you're used

1190
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 6: to sounding, I think was a big wake up call

1191
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 6: for him and got him realized, hey, this is noticeable here.

1192
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 6: You know, maybe I should you know, think about not

1193
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 6: maybe not taking this fight. But he would have had

1194
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 6: a choice either way. The medical staff obviously got involved, uh,

1195
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 6: and he did not take that fight, which was obviously

1196
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 6: the right decision. And we we want to be as

1197
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 6: healthy as possible heading into a fight like that and

1198
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 6: to show, you know, some symptoms of a concussion that

1199
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 6: that is serious business.

1200
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: You can't mess around.

1201
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 6: And I just hope that Max makes a full and

1202
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: speedy recovery. One of the greatest champions that we have

1203
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 6: had the witness of watching and Max. Max is a

1204
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: real martial artist and a real fighter. And hope to

1205
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 6: see him back in there as soon as possible.

1206
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 5: Now, we don't know if he was concussed in training,

1207
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 5: we do know he has the best nutrition guys in

1208
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 5: the game. Tyler Minton is a fixture on this show,

1209
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 5: has been over the last couple of months. But we

1210
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 5: spoke last week that Kenny, you and I thought this

1211
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 5: would be his last fight at featherweight, and I wouldn't

1212
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 5: be surprised to see him sort of vacate this title

1213
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 5: or have the promotion sort of push him in that direction,

1214
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 5: and maybe he moves up and is one went away

1215
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 5: from a UFC lightweight title shot, But I just don't

1216
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 5: know how long he is for one hundred and forty

1217
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 5: five pounds, and it's hard for me to believe. Even

1218
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 5: though we are told that the weight had nothing to

1219
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 5: do with this, it's a little bit hard for me

1220
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 5: to believe that it wasn't a factor in some capacity.

1221
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 5: And very quickly before we spin this to the Boise picks,

1222
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 5: I just want to say for Brian tsa Ortega, this

1223
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 5: was a very difficult thing to deal with, right because

1224
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 5: I don't know financially if he was compensated, but I

1225
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 5: do know that he was hurt by the whole process.

1226
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 5: He wasn't going to take on somebody like Jeremy Stevens

1227
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 5: on forty eight hours notice. It just doesn't make sense

1228
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 5: off the Frankie Edgar Win to put himself in that

1229
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 5: type of position. He's earned a shot at the undisputed championship,

1230
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 5: and it didn't make sense for Brian Ortega's career. This

1231
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 5: is a guy who Foughtiago Tavares on short notice, knocked

1232
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 5: out Franki edgar on short notice, and I think he

1233
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 5: was frustrated that certain people didn't respect that decision. But ultimately,

1234
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 5: for Brian Ortega, his next fight is, whether it's Max

1235
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 5: Holloway or not, it's going to be for the undisputed

1236
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 5: UFC Featherweight Championship. And I'd like to see some fans

1237
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 5: sort of respect the decision and understand, I mean, or

1238
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 5: take out one hundred friends and family there. They had

1239
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 5: basically rented out an entire you know, casino hotel. It's

1240
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 5: not easy on anyone, at least of which was Brian Ortega.

1241
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 3: This weekend, it made zero sense.

1242
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 6: It made zero sense for Brian Ortega to fight anybody

1243
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 6: else but Max Holloway. I mean that's just that's an

1244
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 6: easy answer. And you know, I'm sure the UFC wanted,

1245
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 6: you know, the fans to just see Brian or Tega fight,

1246
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 6: but I don't think that's the way to do it.

1247
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 6: And no disrespect to Jeremy Stevens, He's a phenomenal fighter.

1248
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 6: I would love to see that fight at some point,

1249
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 6: but that that fight was not to be made on

1250
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 6: Saturday night. I didn't think it made held a lot

1251
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 6: of sense, right, And.

1252
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: No disrespect to Israel.

1253
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 5: Out of Sonia. We ran out of time to talk

1254
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 5: about us went over Brad Tavares. Maybe we'll get to

1255
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: it later in the show.

1256
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: On the way out.

1257
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Speaker 7: Ben.

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Speaker 3: How are you, man?

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Speaker 7: Man?

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Speaker 10: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 7: How about yourself? Longtime?

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Speaker 8: No see?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I saw Ben and met Ben and Utica New

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00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 5: York and he's a good man and he's a young

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 5: father like Ken Flow. So we're happy to have you

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 5: on today, man. First, John to Boise, Idaho for the

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Speaker 5: MMA Leader this weekend. We'll start with the first fight

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 5: on the main card. So no betting line as yet

1304
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 5: on a lot of these will we'll cover that up

1305
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 5: later in the week. I expect close to a pick

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00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: him here, Cat Zingano, Marian Renault, Ben. Who do you

1307
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 5: like Zingano or Renault?

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00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 10: I'm liking Zingano for this fight. I mean, she just

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00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 10: got the experience.

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00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 9: I mean, I know Marian Reino has got one more

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00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 9: fight than her, but I like I like Cigano for

1312
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Speaker 9: this one.

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01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 10: I mean she's had that top level experience in the

1314
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 10: UFC for a while.

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Speaker 7: Now, and I think she's going to.

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Speaker 9: Take the fight.

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 5: So ken Flow quickest turnaround of kats and Gano's career,

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01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 5: I think that's actually a good sign. She's dealt with

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01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 5: a lot of injuries other adversities. She fought Kitlyn Viada

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01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: March third was her third straight loss, But I like

1321
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 5: the fact that she's turning around quickly.

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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 5: Marion Renaul is forty one years old, but she is

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01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 5: unbeaten since before she even turned forty February twenty sixteen,

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01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 5: and she's coming off a submission win over Sarah mcmahonflow

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01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 5: that was back in February. Who do you like, Katsinghano

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 5: or Marion Renault?

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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 6: Listen, I think Marion Renaud has more ways to win

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01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 6: this fight. I think she's the more technical fighter. I

1330
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 6: think she's sharper on the ground. I think Zinggano's probably

1331
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 6: a little bit stronger and she can kind of bully

1332
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 6: her way and be effective early on. But I think

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Speaker 6: if Marion Renaul is in the right mind space, I

1334
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 6: think she wins this fight.

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Speaker 3: I'm going with.

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01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 5: Renault and ken Flow. Age discriminates in reverse. He discriminates

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01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 5: against the younger fighters. If you're forty years old or higher.

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01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 5: He's picking you to win the fight I get, and unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: I'm in that flight right now. I agree, man, Yeah,

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01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: it would be interesting.

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01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 10: Fucked up the third man, I'm telling you a third

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Speaker 10: round TKO.

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Speaker 5: All right, we'll see featherweight, Ben, Who do you like?

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 5: Dennis Bermudez or Rick Glenn.

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01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 9: Dennis Bermudez, I'm see the thing with him is he's

1346
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 9: really got a lot of skill and a lot of

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01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 9: he's very technical fighter, but when he gets is when

1348
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 9: he gets too cocky, he really lets all of that go,

1349
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Speaker 9: and that's how you're seeing he's on this three fight

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01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 9: skid right now. I think if he gets in there

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01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 9: and he sticks to his game plan and he doesn't

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 9: get a big head, he can get it done.

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 5: Ken Flow, we're proceeding as if Bermudez will likely be

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 5: the favorite against Rick the Gladiator Glenn. I wouldn't figure

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01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 5: it would be too wide. Your thoughts on this one

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 5: at one hundred and forty five pounds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Bermuda should win this fight.

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Speaker 6: Rick Glenn, I don't know if he's really much of

1359
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 6: a threat to bermudas anywhere, not really the biggest puncher

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 6: he is a high output fighter, stays very busy, likes

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01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 6: to pressure guys. But I think Bermuda's does that as well,

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Speaker 6: and he'll be able to diffuse that pressure with some takedowns.

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Speaker 5: All right, Chad Mendez makes his triumphant return. He hasn't

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01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 5: competed in mixed martial arts since late twenty fifteen. That

1365
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 5: was a loss to Frankie Edgar so two year suspension.

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01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 5: It was some sort of hormone. I don't remember exactly

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01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 5: what it was, but Mendez said he didn't know it

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 5: was illegal, didn't do his homework.

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Speaker 3: He paid for it.

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Speaker 5: Here in the return, he draws Miles Jury. Mendes will

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Speaker 5: be the favorite here. Not sure exactly what the number

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Speaker 5: will be. That's at least my expectation, Ben, Who do

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Speaker 5: you like, Chad Mendez or Miles?

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Speaker 9: I'm really liking Mendes, man. I'm he's competed at the

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01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 9: top of his division for a while. It was actually

1376
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 9: JHRP six a growth that he tested positive for, and

1377
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 9: you know he fought McGregor. He looked decent in that

1378
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 9: fight until he got his ass beat. I mean, his

1379
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 9: last win was knocking Ricardo Lamas out. Before that, it

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 9: was Nick Lentz by decision. I'm really liking Mendez for

1381
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 9: this fight, you know, I'm hoping I want to see

1382
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 9: him come back and pretty much pound this man's head

1383
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 9: through the damn canvas like he's done before.

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01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: How about Ben Fields all over it with the exact

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01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: name of the whole.

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Speaker 6: HRP six is illegal? Is that what you're saying? I

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01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 6: didn't know that either. Shit, g hr P six? What

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01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 6: about seven? JHRP? What about GHRP eight? Is that illegal

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 6: because I didn't know that?

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Speaker 3: Wow? All right for broadcast as I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 5: So Ben seems pretty convicted in thinking that Chad Mendes

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Speaker 5: is going to get this done in his return.

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Speaker 3: Can flow or you have a similar mind?

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think this is a kind of fight that

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01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 6: can give Miles Jurry a lot of trouble. Uh, Chad

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01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 6: Mendes has fought the elite in that division, you know.

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 6: If this is the Chad Mendes that we're used to seeing,

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Speaker 6: I see Chad winning this fight.

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Speaker 5: All right, comine event, guys, was to be James Vick

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01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 5: versus Paul Felder. Instead it will be super Stage North

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 5: Cut minus one forty five favorite he against Zach the

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01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 5: Barbarian auto.

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01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: He comes back at plus one fifteen.

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,959
Speaker 5: So Ben Northcutt returning here to welterweight after two straight

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01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 5: at lightweight, both of them wins. Do you like super

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 5: Sage against zach Otto.

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 10: I like zach Otto in this fight.

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01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 9: I mean, okay, watching what he did to Mike Pyle,

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01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 9: I'm telling you it was to me it was like

1410
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 9: watching in Ghano. I'm not hype him up after that

1411
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 9: embarrassing performance Saturday, but it was like watching in Gano

1412
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 9: knockout over him for me. And even his decisions, the

1413
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 9: split decision that he had two I think it was

1414
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 9: his fight before that. He still he looks impressive in

1415
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 9: all his UFC outings, winneror loss. So I'm gonna go

1416
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 9: with zacha Outo on this and plus super Stage north

1417
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 9: cut just looks like a tool I him. I just

1418
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 9: I have a big issue rooting for him in any

1419
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 9: fight can't flow.

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01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 5: Zach otds alternated wins and losses in his five UFC appearances.

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Speaker 5: Slight dog here against super stage north Cut I think

1422
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: this is the right division for Sage north Cut his

1423
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 5: natural one at one hundred and seventy pounds. Of course,

1424
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 5: if there isn't a one hundred and sixty five pound division.

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 5: What do you think about north Cut here in Auto

1426
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 5: this weekend?

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01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm not sure picking someone has to

1428
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 6: do with rooting for them or not, but I'm gonna

1429
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 6: go with Sage north Cut. I I have a hard

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 6: time believing that zach Otto, who lost to lejiing Lyung

1431
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 6: by Tko, is going to beat Sage at this point.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

1433
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 6: And a guy who had a split decision win over

1434
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 6: Sergio Morays, I don't know if he's gonna be able

1435
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 6: to take him down. If zach could take him down, listen,

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01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 6: I think zach could win this fight, but Sages has

1437
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 6: shown some pretty good takedown defense.

1438
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Speaker 3: I think Stage wins this.

1439
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 5: I do think that'll be the approach for zach Otto

1440
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 5: is to try to use his jiu jitsu and catch

1441
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 5: a submission on the ground.

1442
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 3: All right.

1443
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 5: Main event Junior dos Santo's Minus one seventy taking on

1444
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 5: the UFC newcomer Blao gooy Ivanov, who comes back at

1445
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 5: plus one forty. Main event here, Ben, so we will

1446
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 5: need the round and the method of victory. You like

1447
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 5: the former champ jds or Blagoy even.

1448
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 9: I am not a fan of JDS. I mean, he's

1449
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 9: a very very talented fighter, and I you know, i'd

1450
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 9: be a smart man to bet on him, but I'm

1451
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 9: going with I'm an off here. I mean, how do

1452
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 9: you go against somebody that's been fucking stabbed and come

1453
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 9: back from that and still just say, all right, you know,

1454
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go back into this this field where I

1455
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 9: kick people's ass.

1456
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 10: You know, I've been stabbed literally in the heart.

1457
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 9: The knife went into this man's heart, wasn't in the

1458
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 9: hospital very long, and goes back to beating people's ass,

1459
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 9: made a name for himself and another promotion, two other promotions,

1460
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 9: and finally getting a shot in the UFC. And I

1461
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 9: think it's well deserved, and I think we're gonna see

1462
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 9: him come out, come out on top here and a

1463
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 9: very big opportunity for him.

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: All right, even on plus one, what's the round of

1465
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: the method, Ben.

1466
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 10: I'm gonna say it's gonna be round four, knockout.

1467
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 5: Round four TKO or knockout for Blackoy, even off Ken

1468
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 5: For a little background on the UFC newcomer, even off

1469
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 5: sixteen and one with a no contest the no contest

1470
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 5: game early on in his career in Bulgaria against Aleir Latifi.

1471
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 3: The ring broke fifty.

1472
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 5: Five seconds into the fight and then his only lost

1473
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 5: Alexander Volkov by submission, So that's a high quality loss.

1474
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 5: As for his quality wins, Rico Rodriguez, Sean Jordan and

1475
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 5: most recently I believe actually it was Jordan after this one,

1476
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 5: but cuddlely Bear Josh Copeland also among his victims, even

1477
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 5: off Junior do Santos in Idaho, Ken flow, which way

1478
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 5: you go?

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Junior Desantos here. I think Junior

1480
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 6: gets the win. Let's go knockout round one? All right,

1481
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 6: round one knockout for Junior Dosantos.

1482
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 5: And I'm doing a quick pick on one final fight

1483
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 5: because this is a big fight at featherweight and I

1484
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 5: know it's a prelim, but can we get some love

1485
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 5: for Darren the damage Elkins, Please, he's won six fights

1486
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 5: in a row, he's number ten in the world, and

1487
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 5: your reward. He draws the unranked seventeen and one Alexander Volkanowski,

1488
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 5: who's won like a million fights in a row. No

1489
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 5: betting line as yet, Ben, who's the quick pick for you?

1490
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 9: Elk in Volkanovsky after the way he put Michael Johnson

1491
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 9: away with that rear naked choke. Being only a brown

1492
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 9: belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu, Darren Alkins has my pick.

1493
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 9: I can't bet against him, can flow.

1494
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 5: Darren Elkins has never turned down a fight in his life,

1495
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 5: and that's why he signed on the dotted line for Volkanovsky.

1496
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 5: I mean, not a ton of upside here, I guess,

1497
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 5: although he's fighting a guy who's seventeen and one and

1498
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 5: has some momentum. But nothing easy about this fight, at

1499
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 5: least in my opinion for Darren Elkins.

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01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: This weekend, Darren the damage Atkins.

1501
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 6: I'm a fan man, but I don't like the way

1502
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 6: he matches up here against Volkanowski. You know, I see

1503
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 6: a kind of a similar style to a Bectick. He

1504
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 6: might even be more of a pressure fighter than Bechtik.

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Speaker 6: So I'm gonna go with Volkanovski.

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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, one of the better pressure fighters that

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Speaker 5: nobody seems to know unless you're in Macedonia. Alexander Volkanovski

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Speaker 5: trying to go to eighteen and one this weekend. All right,

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Speaker 5: Ben Field his own podcast, Uncivilized MMA, And that's a

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Speaker 5: good man right there.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the time. Today.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for hooking it up and Udica New York, and

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Speaker 5: we'll probably see it as show in the Northeast later

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Speaker 5: this year.

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, real.

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Speaker 9: Quick before I go on, Danny fans that are interested

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Speaker 9: in checking out the podcast. The thing that makes us

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Speaker 9: unique is we uh we have a text line for

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Speaker 9: any of u US based fans. You can get at

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Speaker 9: us A three one five nine two two two three

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Speaker 9: eight fourth. That's actually my personal cell phone number. And

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Speaker 9: I love to ship with you guys, twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 7: Shoot me some text. Guys.

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Speaker 10: We'll get some of your favorite fighters on there and

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Speaker 10: you can interact.

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Speaker 7: Guys.

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Speaker 10: He was an honor.

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me. I'd like to

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Speaker 9: extend an invitation you guys come on and tear it

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Speaker 9: up with us anytime.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, buddy, Ben Fields, appreciate it. Ken Flows available

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Speaker 5: twenty four to seven. His cell phone number is not

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Speaker 5: going to be given out on today's program like yours,

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Speaker 5: but maybe on a future episode. Maybe we'll throw an

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Speaker 5: episode behind a paywall, Ken Flow and throw out that

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Speaker 5: five oh eight. Kenny and I both have five oh

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Speaker 5: eight numbers. If you can figure out the last seven.

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Speaker 5: God love you, God Love Israel honest, Sonya right. I mean,

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 5: I'm all in, right, I'm not gonna buy the good

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Speaker 5: cunt T shirt necessary because I really don't like that word,

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Speaker 5: but I'm all in on Israel at a, Sonya Kenflow.

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01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 5: You were all in on this guy, I think before

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01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 5: he made his UFC debut. But there's so many things

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01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 5: to like about this performance. Twenty five hard minutes looked

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 5: like he could have gone forty versatile display of striking,

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 5: and the thing too is and you know, I didn't

1547
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 5: put too much stock into his takedown defense against Rob Wilkinson,

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01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 5: but I think people just act like this guy's so

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 5: easy to take down and the Brad Tavares was just

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01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 5: gonna take him down. I mean, the guy stuffed fourteen

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01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 5: shots in his UFC debut when his opponent was shooting

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01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 5: at his legs the entire fight. So you could be

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 5: sure Attasani's doing his homework and working hard to stay

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 5: upright and not spend a lot of time once he

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01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 5: does get taken down. But the takedown attempts that were

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01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 5: successful for Tavares we're few and far between, and Attasnya

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01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 5: to me looks pretty much world class on the feet

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 5: I'm very excited to see how far he can take this.

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Speaker 3: He is world class on the feet.

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Speaker 6: Ata Sonya show that he's at a completely different level.

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Speaker 6: And he did this against a brat Tavares, who was

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Speaker 6: on a four fight win streak, and it was against

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 6: tough guys like Jock co and Talas Leachi's Tavarus is legit.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: You beat a guy like Tavares and you prove that

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 6: you're the real deal. And out of Sonya absolutely did that.

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01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 6: There were times where it almost seemed like a mismatch,

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01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 6: and Tavares is ranked in that division. So yeah, Atasnia

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 6: really blew me away with his performance. Proved to anyone

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Speaker 6: who was doubting whether it was the real deal or

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 6: not that they were wrong. Uh and uh yeah, this

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01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 6: guy is showing some next level striking and next level movement.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 5: Before we go, just want to say one thing as

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01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 5: we sort of congratulate Daniel Cormier on the way out.

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 5: You know there was a picture of me with my

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 5: arms in the air. Great and Daniel's arms in the air.

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I just want to say, uh, for anyone suggesting

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 5: that that there was something not objective about that or

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01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 5: some bias involved here.

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 3: I would say two things.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I would say Marlin but Ice knocked

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01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 5: out Jimmy Rivera June first, and Utica New York.

1585
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 3: I had the exact same, right.

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01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 5: I have a much stronger personal relationship with Jimmy Rivera

1587
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 5: than Marlon but Ice, who I just met recently.

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's that for starters, but let's also not

1589
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 3: forget right.

1590
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 5: When step A won the title in twenty sixteen, we

1591
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 5: didn't Eran on the podcast, but our podcast called the

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01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 5: mayor's office in Cleveland, Ohio and tried to get step

1593
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 5: A a championship parade. We have championed his cause for

1594
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 5: years and years and years. My reaction was about the

1595
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 5: moment and Daniel's moment, and an organic reaction from a

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 5: play by play broadcaster. It had nothing to do with

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Speaker 5: the fact that he's a dear friend and a broadcast partner.

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Speaker 6: It's so silly now and you've again, yeah, you've done

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01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 6: that so many times during fights, and obviously you put

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Speaker 6: it up there you work with DC, But just the

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Speaker 6: fact that they had that picture of you standing up

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 6: being like, oh my god, with DC kind of doing

1603
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Speaker 6: it at the same time.

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Speaker 3: How would you not put that picture up?

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Speaker 6: That picture is freaking epic, It's amazing, and yeah it's

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 6: just silly and.

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Speaker 5: You see, of course, and I'm sweating too, right, running

1608
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 5: hot as usual, pitt stains.

1609
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: You can see the love handles a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Not my best look, but uh, you know, at least

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01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't Francis Gano in me right, at least it

1612
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 5: was Corbier.

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: So both little chubby, what are you gonna do? All right?

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Speaker 5: Good stuff today. Thank you to Ray Longo, Thanks to

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Speaker 5: our fine producers, John Hill, Jeff Williams. Nice to meet

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Speaker 5: our man, Jeff Williams in Vegas. By the way, Alyssa

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Speaker 5: the Anak and Florian podcast. By the way, we asked

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Speaker 5: Ray Longo Kenny if he if somebody just walks into

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Speaker 5: Longo Wyman Mma, they can meet him. So if somebody

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Speaker 5: walks into May Rocky Brazilian jiu Jitsu today, I know

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna come in. I'm gonna have you sign a

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Speaker 5: bunch of stuff. Well, I'm gonna be in LA for

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Speaker 5: a week, so we are gonna do an in studio

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Speaker 5: episode July thirtieth, and that's gonna be very exciting. I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna rent a car so I can come see true,

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Speaker 5: I love it. See how I'm inviting myself to help

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Speaker 5: you outcited on radio. All right, well, good stuff today.

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Speaker 5: Thanks to everybody for listening, for subscribing. We're back on Monday,

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01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 5: July sixteenth. We will recap Boise and and look ahead

1640
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 5: to Hamburg, Germany. Because the UFC hits keep on coming.

1641
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 5: Congrats to the man, the new King of the World,

1642
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 5: Daniel Cormier for Ken Flum, John Anak until next week,

1643
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Speaker 5: Yo fucking later.

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