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Speaker 1: Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 1: a sibling.

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Speaker 2: Railval No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Revelry. That's good, Oliver Hudson. Here back live. It's not live. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's live. It's live for me because I'm talking right

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Speaker 1: now in real time. It's not live for you because

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Speaker 1: you're listening to it weeks after days. I don't know

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Speaker 1: when they're gonna enough about me. Let's bring on Alexa

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Speaker 1: and Jacqueline Child. Of course, there's a million dating sites now,

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Speaker 1: there's whatever, Tinder, Rayah, Bumble, Hazelnut, you know, Blueberry Hill.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a million different names. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what they are. I'm not all on them.

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Speaker 1: But this is very specific where you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: dating app for well, she has I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's Jacqueline has chronic illness and she, you know, has

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Speaker 1: been experiencing this for a minute now, and and she

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Speaker 1: has this disability. To create a dating app for people

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Speaker 1: with disabilities, it's interesting anyway, bring them on why am

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Speaker 1: I talking? Let's let them talk. Hey, guys, how are

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Speaker 1: you good? How I'm good? This is so interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's let's start not right now, Let's not start here,

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Speaker 1: Let's start elsewhere. So for how old are you? Guys?

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Speaker 2: I'm thirty four and I'm thirty.

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Speaker 1: I explain to me. First of all, Jacqueline explained, sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know your journey, you know how this came about

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Speaker 1: for you, you know when sort of these disabilities started

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Speaker 1: to happen in your life. How dating was the inspiration

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Speaker 1: behind this? Because this is very cool.

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Speaker 2: All right. So the story starts when I was about fourteen,

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Speaker 2: and I was seemingly healthy, didn't know that my genetics

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Speaker 2: were super messed up, and I contracted a virus WANO,

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Speaker 2: also known as the kissing disease. Had it had every

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Speaker 2: fourteen year old girl.

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Speaker 1: I had it New Year's Eve, Vail, Colorado on a

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Speaker 1: bus eight. I was some girl. Yeah. Ruin ruined me

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Speaker 1: for like three months, Yes.

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Speaker 2: It's same, and ever since that, I just never fully recovered.

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Speaker 2: And then things really began to spiral out of control.

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Speaker 2: And I learned that I was, you know, predisposed to

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Speaker 2: a bunch of other illnesses, and so from that point on,

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Speaker 2: in my freshman year of high school, I was now

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Speaker 2: dealing with all these chronic illnesses. And you know, I've

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Speaker 2: had over forty surgeries in my lifetime, like two brain surgeries,

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Speaker 2: and that has been something that I really you know,

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Speaker 2: struggled with, but like have been able to manage fine.

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Speaker 2: I cope with it really well. You also parted your hair, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you lost like the top strip of her hair in

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Speaker 2: high school and the boys would call her raggedy ann

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Speaker 2: very very sweet. But you know, my dating life was

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Speaker 2: like very typical in high school. I had a long

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Speaker 2: term boyfriend and I dated and so on. But then

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Speaker 2: once I graduated college and moved in with Alexa, I

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Speaker 2: joined the dating apps and realized that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: guys were really really harsh about me having chronic illnesses.

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Speaker 2: If it if I tried to hide it and it

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Speaker 2: would come up, it would be terrible. If I told

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Speaker 2: them straight off the bat, it would be terrible. And

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Speaker 2: people would tell me that I was a burden that

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Speaker 2: they didn't really want to deal with this extra stress

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Speaker 2: of having to worry about someone who was in and

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Speaker 2: out of surgeries. They told me not to have biological

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Speaker 2: children because I could pass on my genetics. And so

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Speaker 2: this just happened like over and over again. And meanwhile Alexa,

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Speaker 2: my big older sister, was like, guys were begging her

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Speaker 2: to date, like they were just like let me. She

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Speaker 2: I was embarrassing. I resented her and it was really

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Speaker 2: hard to get through. I was just like, why can't

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Speaker 2: I get one first date? And then we came up

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Speaker 2: with creating datability because we just figured that there had

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Speaker 2: to be a place out there for people like me

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Speaker 1: Wow, a lot to unpack. First of all, datability incredible name.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man who came up with it. Really good,

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Speaker 1: really really really good. Okay, hold on, I gotta go back.

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Speaker 1: So forty surgeries. That's gnarly. The fortitude that you must

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Speaker 1: have to be smiling and to be powering through your life,

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Speaker 1: not only that, but also using it to create something.

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Speaker 1: Not only that could be extremely successful and make you

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Speaker 1: like I have like a little anxiety. Okay, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy to the world for me. Yeah, So let

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Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Do you think this is

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Speaker 1: kind of a philosophical or deeper question but not really,

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Speaker 1: But do you think that certain people are able to

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Speaker 1: Or do you think that the human condition is such

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Speaker 1: that when these things happened to you, the body, the mind,

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Speaker 1: the emotion goes into a place where it's fight or

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Speaker 1: flight in the sense of it's survival or are you

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Speaker 1: just conditioning or is this just your genetics the good

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of both. I have

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Speaker 2: always had this like attitude where I never complained as

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Speaker 2: a child, Like as a healthy child, if I would

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Speaker 2: Should we should check that out? And they'd be like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: your wrist is shattered, and so I And I was

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Speaker 2: always like a pretty happy child, really smiling and Bubbly

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Speaker 2: is like a teacher's pet. And then when this all

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Speaker 2: So I was like, is in my control? It's how

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Speaker 2: I react to all of this. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: mental health is really not a lot of people's choice,

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Speaker 2: but for me, I feel like making it a choice

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Speaker 2: has really helped me get there. And there's definitely parts

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Speaker 2: of my life that you know, I was really down

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Speaker 2: in the dumps and had to seek help. But I

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Speaker 2: And I and I don't believe everything happens for a reason,

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Speaker 2: but I believe that there's a you can find a

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Speaker 2: reason in every experience. That I agree, and so I

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Speaker 2: just like I do, think it's both. I've been able

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Speaker 2: to adapt and it honestly, sometimes it's a negative thing

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Speaker 2: because I I sometimes don't take things like as seriously.

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Speaker 2: If someone comes to me with a problem, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Or like, even with my own health, there's been moments

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Speaker 2: Alexa convinced me to go. I bullied you it should.

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Speaker 2: And they were like, if you hadn't come in, you

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Speaker 2: would have been dead in twenty four hours. And so

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Speaker 2: there's there's definitely pros and cons. But yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: I do my best to put on a brave face

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Speaker 2: reasons why I didn't like her when we were younger

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Speaker 2: the reasons why I love her now. The positivity.

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Speaker 1: Dark totally. Is that So you've been moving back further

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Speaker 1: in the timeline. Is that how sort of you guys

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Speaker 1: grew up? I mean, I know four your difference is

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Speaker 1: pretty decent, you know what I mean, that's pretty big.

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Speaker 1: So Jack, you would just just rat out your sister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll let you tell that because unately you were,

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Speaker 2: you were victimized. Yeah. I was not the happiest child,

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Speaker 2: and it only got worse with hormones. But Chapmen loved

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Speaker 2: was always grounded, always in high school. And I think

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Speaker 2: our parents, And I'm like, why would you say that.

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Speaker 2: I don't don't tell them that. Yeah, and I'm with

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Speaker 2: a secret keeper, like the mischievous one. But it was

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Speaker 2: When you're younger now it's like no big like we're

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Speaker 2: like partying and boys. She's twelve. Yeah, I mean, what

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Speaker 2: I was like, mom, Alex problem.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I know. So it was coming from

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Speaker 2: It always does comes from a good place, all right.

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Speaker 2: It came from a place of me really wanting to

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Speaker 1: Me, and it backfired no, of course, because you're like,

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Speaker 1: fuck you are you crazy? Yeah, you're killing me right now.

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Speaker 2: I was like the biggest buzzkill for your tidenage years.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kate, I mean, Kate used to tattle on me

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Speaker 1: That's why she's you know, famous and a great actor

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Speaker 2: Yes, I wish that would happen to you. I did

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Speaker 2: get in trouble because I broke lets's finger. Her pain

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Speaker 2: what now, I know we were so we grew up

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Speaker 2: and tell your ride and I know you're cool, you know,

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Speaker 2: little competition between you're part of the state in hours,

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Speaker 2: but so we're on vacation and Alexaid asked me to

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Speaker 2: pushed her pinky all the way back and I broke.

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Speaker 2: She goes out screaming, like with her hair full of shampoo.

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Speaker 2: And I do believe I got scolded, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think you got in trouble the way I would have

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Speaker 2: gotten in trouble. I also got in trouble for calling

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Speaker 2: me a bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Oh my gosh. We need to talk

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Speaker 1: to your parents and figure this out.

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Speaker 2: You know, you should see them now. Though they're so

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Speaker 2: happy that we're best friends, we live together, which would

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Speaker 2: have thought that, and we've lived together for like seven

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Speaker 2: or seven years.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's amazing. I mean, that happens, you know,

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Speaker 1: can be detrimental in that? In that aspect? Yeah, know

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00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like hope is obviously a very positive word, right,

433
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: It's like hope, we have hope, we have hope, But

434
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: sometimes hope can sort of lead to non acceptance essentially

435
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: that one.

436
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: Hundred you're living in denial. Yeah, right. I keep low

437
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: expectations and that's really helped me, Like if I if

438
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: I try this, like I'm not expecting to feel better

439
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: at all. If I do, it's a great plus. But

440
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't go into anything thinking that it's going to

441
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: be a game changer.

442
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And what about mental health for you and

443
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: how you've dealt with that through the years, you know

444
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: where you said, you know you're a hermit for sort

445
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: of you know, sort of not pain management but just whatever.

446
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: But how about your mind?

447
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: I think that you know, it's weird when you don't

448
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: have control of your body, because you know there's like

449
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: physical changes, like if you know, there was a period

450
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: in time where after my brain surgeries, I gained forty

451
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: pounds and that was really hard on my mental health.

452
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: I didn't recognize myself in the mirror. And then there

453
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, there then there is just like that feeling

454
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: of watching everyone else's lives progress and mine just stay

455
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 2: that the same. And I sort of felt like I

456
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: was behind on life compared to all of my peers.

457
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: But I've worked with a really good therapist who specializes

458
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: in dealing with patients with chronic illnesses, and that has

459
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: helped so much. And just like and I accepting and

460
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: really trying to prioritize what's important to me, And I

461
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: like to talk to myself the way that a friend

462
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: would talk to me.

463
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's great. And then how much

464
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: has datability sort of given you, like sort of a

465
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: new purpose essentially, you know what I'm saying, Like, forget

466
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: about the success, forget about the potential. Just even finding

467
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: something like this, it's that has been game changing.

468
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I really struggled with with my identity before this.

469
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I, I've identified as disabled, but I

470
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: didn't feel like I had that any of that community connection.

471
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: And through Datability, I have found that. And then just

472
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 2: like if yeah, waking up every day and feeling like

473
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: I have built something that helps people find love and

474
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: connection and that I'm working towards like this attainable goal

475
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: and creating this company that I mean, I would never

476
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: be able to do this if I worked for someone else.

477
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: It's only possible that we created it together and that

478
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: were our own bosses.

479
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: This is awesome. So go through the steps I want

480
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: to hear about sort of the inception of the idea.

481
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: And because you know, I'm you know, I'm an actor

482
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: and I make movies and I produce and do but

483
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: I have a very entrepreneurial spirit when I was a kid.

484
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: I was always trying to make money. Now ninety nine

485
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: percent of it was illegal, selling fake ID, selling weed,

486
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: like doing all kinds of crazy shit. But I just

487
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: had this, you know, desire to sort of figure shit

488
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 1: out and make money, and I know how, and I

489
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: still do. I get stuck though, because it's hard. Going

490
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: from concept to actually putting Intoto motion is not an

491
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: easy thing, especially when you're dealing with tech like this.

492
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: So give me the give me the overall the inception

493
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: of the idea and how you went about making it happen.

494
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: We knew nothing about tech. Imagine that control V is

495
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: how you paste something without right cooking.

496
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: So I know right and control c's how you copy

497
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: it too. I know that too.

498
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: So but Jackolm was getting a feeding too, but I

499
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: don't think you mentioned that, and because she has gastro

500
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: prisis one of her diagnoses, and we both freaked out,

501
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 2: Like I was like, what does this mean? What does

502
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: this mean for us? If I want to go to brunch, whatever,

503
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: come with me. And so I was like, it's time

504
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: to make the safe space that you've been wanting and

505
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: looking for, because you know we're in the pandemic dating

506
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 2: is tough already, this is it's about to get tougher.

507
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: And I googled how to build an app? Google anything right,

508
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: and it brought me to a website where engineers and

509
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: coders like almost like a Craigslist, and I found someone

510
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: who was in the hometown of my alma mater who's disabled,

511
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: so I thought it was Kissman. I'm like, oh great,

512
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: this is amazing. We spent nine months working on the app.

513
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: We drew everything from pen to paper. Jack put it

514
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: on the computer, we sent it to him. We get

515
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: the real beta version, and Jaquelin just cries, we're eating

516
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: high food. I remember vividly tears just coming down. It's

517
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: so bad. So I probably, even with my control V knowledge,

518
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: I could have made it better.

519
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: You just take control V a million times and something

520
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: would come out.

521
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: But and so Jack I wanted to give up. She

522
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: was like, I can't do this. She was like I

523
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: don't and I said no, Let's just give it some time.

524
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: And I posted on a Facebook startup group in Boulder,

525
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: like does anyone know anything about building an app? Because

526
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm lost? And we reached. We got contacted by consultants

527
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: who build an app, and they created our MVP for

528
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: US and a couple iterations after that, and we launched

529
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: six months later, Yeah, six months later, and now we

530
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: have an in house tech team that does it for

531
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, Sweat Equity, and we just launched a subscription model.

532
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: And our saving grace has been the press we've gotten,

533
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: which is all Jacqueline pretty much, because we don't have

534
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: any funding. You know, funding is really hard for female founders,

535
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: and it's hard for disability people don't get that disabled

536
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: people want to be intimate and they want a relationship

537
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: and they totally can. I think there's some stereotypes about

538
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: when you think of someone who's disabled and they just

539
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: try to infantilize them. And so that's been our hurdle.

540
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: Even though we have a lot of success stories on

541
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: our app, it's still something that we have to jump through.

542
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: I hope we have to jump through with VCS. Yeah.

543
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: So we we didn't have any experience, like Lexa said,

544
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: but we went with our gut. That was the most

545
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: important thing is that we just were like, I think

546
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: this is how you would do it, and this is

547
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: how what our people would like, and I think that

548
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: this is a good idea. And we never we never

549
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: strayed from our intuition and that has really helped us.

550
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: How did you guys design? Did you do all the

551
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: designing on the on the app?

552
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know, definitely we can improve that,

553
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: but for now it's it's worked, and it's you know,

554
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: people really like it. We took our favorite aspects from

555
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: the other dating apps and added in our own. And

556
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: then like each section on the profile has a data

557
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: bloody deeps section is a list of terms like they're

558
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: very vague, so wheelchair user and you know, compromise food

559
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: allergy and that kind of solves that disclosure problem that

560
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: Jacqueline experienced and so many other people experience. And I knew,

561
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: we knew we wanted to have that section, but we

562
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: wanted to make it sound more fun well not a

563
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: medical chart, and so with the deep section. So yeah,

564
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: we just tried to add our own flare but create

565
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: the app that we would want if we were you know,

566
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: which for Jacqueline. Yes, we were building it for her.

567
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: So we'll explain the interface. I mean, you know, it

568
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: is it you You kind of did a little bit,

569
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: but sort of you log on, you create a profile

570
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: similar to sort of other dating apps, you know, with

571
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: pictures and you know all the stuff, right.

572
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and like and if if you've been on

573
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: any other dating app, you will pretty much know how

574
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: to use datability because we wanted it to be akin

575
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: to those apps.

576
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And Alexa, do you have a boyfriend?

577
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: No, I'm a loan bolf.

578
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: Are you on dating apps?

579
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: No? I'm really like a lone wolf. It's so funny

580
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: that people like, I'm like, I'm the founder and CEO

581
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: of a dating app and I don't date and I

582
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: haven't dated in years. Eventually, one day, No, she'll meet

583
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: like a random person for two minutes, and then they'll

584
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: find her on Instagram and mess and DM her and

585
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: be like do you want to go out with me?

586
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: And then then they will just like stock Lexa for

587
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: a year until she just never answers.

588
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: And what about you, Jacqueline, are you on your app?

589
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: Yes?

590
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I am, but how has it gone?

591
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing it on my own terms, which is really nice. Like,

592
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm single because I want to be, and being a

593
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: CEO has proven to be very time consuming, so I'm

594
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: excited to like, actually, you know, get my toes wet

595
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: when I want. But you know that day will come.

596
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: And how's the feedback bent? Just generally, First of all,

597
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: how long have you guys been? You know?

598
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Up, we're approaching our two year October twenty first, twenty

599
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 2: twenty two is when we wished, and the feedback has

600
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: been good. We do all the customer support, which I

601
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: don't think people realize, and there's a lot of mean

602
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: people out there, so we do and I'm just like, ouch.

603
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Well that's good. That's a good question. Actually everything's always positive,

604
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: which of course we should be. But what would have

605
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: been some of the negatives? You know, what are the

606
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: things you need to improve on?

607
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh? I think can I? So a lot of things

608
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: for the disability community are charity or nonprofit oriented, so

609
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: we get pushed to become a nonprofit a lot, and

610
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, we're not going to do that. But

611
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: the other thing is when we release our subscription model,

612
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: which is four ninety nine a month, we wanted to

613
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: make it accessible economically financially. We got pushback from people

614
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: thinking that everything should be free, right, and so we've

615
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 2: got messages telling us in all caps that we suck.

616
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: We discussed them, like really intense messages for all for

617
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: less than a month.

618
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, because because they think they're making

619
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: money off of the disabled, right, I mean that's right,

620
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: but a.

621
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: While having a free version, yeah right, free version. So

622
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what do you how do you expect

623
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: us to pay for the server costs if we don't

624
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: start charging? You know, we've we've done this for two

625
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: years for her free and tried to build goodwill with

626
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the community. But like at a certain point, like Jacqueline

627
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: deserves and I deserve to have financial stability, and we

628
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: deserve to keep datability going.

629
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a narrative there that needs to be

630
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: created that Jacqueline, who is one of the founders and

631
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: CEOs of this, has come up with this idea because

632
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: she herself has been through the fucking ringer and not

633
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the disabled community maybe have

634
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do something like this. And she's a

635
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: business woman and she's creating, you know, a life for

636
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: herself where and it's giving her it's given her purpose,

637
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I hate that's crazy,

638
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: I know, but.

639
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: We try to laugh about it.

640
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, roll eyes, And I know what you have to

641
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: do because there's a million everyone's an asshole. You know

642
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: what I mean, there's a millionhole.

643
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: Like you look at like comments on everything, like people

644
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: everyone's mean. People behind a keyboard will say whatever like yeah,

645
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: look at Reddit, our Instagram comments like not about us,

646
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: but right in general it's I mean, yeah, but the

647
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: feedback has been good and you've had a lot of

648
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: success raise, which in all honesty surprises me for such

649
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: a short amount of time. And our user base is smaller,

650
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: and what I've realized is that we're kind of recreating

651
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: dating the way it used to be when our parents

652
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: and grandparents were dating. Smaller community. My issue with the

653
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: dating apps is that there's so many options in it

654
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: daunting overwhelming, like finding a needle in a haystack and this.

655
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: But if you go to an event or a volunteer organization,

656
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: you're brought together by some commonality, right, and you have

657
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: less options. And I sometimes think that's good. I think

658
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: quality over quantity is key, and I think that our

659
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: success stories are proof of that.

660
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's great, it's so true. I like that idea.

661
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: It's a smaller community. It's like a smaller pool. It

662
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: is more intimate essentially, you know, yeah, where are you

663
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: guys living now?

664
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: Denver?

665
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: You're in Denver, You're still in Colorado? Yeah?

666
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came back after eight years out east.

667
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Where were you east?

668
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Massachusetts and DC, and then I was like, I'm

669
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: out of here.

670
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: I love Colorado US too.

671
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: It's special, it really really is. I tried to leave

672
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: for college, but then I came back after a year

673
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: and I haven't left. Yeah.

674
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: So what is your funding situation? You know, are you

675
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: are you just sweat equity funding? Are these people just

676
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: working for you for free? Do you have an infusion

677
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: of capital that you're having to deal with.

678
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're you know, our engineers are in it

679
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: as partners and so we're really grateful for that and

680
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: they believe in us. But know, we have a few

681
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: angel investors, but the most most of it has just

682
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: been like we're working our butts off with as many

683
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: free opportunity as we can. Like we don't pick for

684
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: pr We do it ourselves. You know, we'll go to

685
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: conferences and speak at them to just like get the

686
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: word out and so yeah, it's tough.

687
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: But so you need But do you want you want

688
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: an investment? Basically?

689
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know sometimes I think right kind of

690
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: investors of course, Yeah, is what I try to look

691
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: at is that you know, these vcs that we approach

692
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: that don't that want us to be a strictly platonic

693
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: app for friendship app. They don't want the dating aspect,

694
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: They're not going to be a good fit. So I

695
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: don't want their money because if you can't understand our

696
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: mission and understand the community. One in four people have

697
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: a disability in the United States and the world, and

698
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: so it's not niche like, there's a lot of people

699
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: out there who have a disability get married or hook

700
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: up or whatever, and so yeah, it has to be

701
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: the right funding for us. Yeah, we find better luck

702
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: with angel investors. They just have like more trust.

703
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, But so how do you stilter people?

704
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what if I want to go on there,

705
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean and and sort of peruse Yeah,

706
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: can can? Can? Can anyone go on? And you know

707
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I'm okay with that.

708
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we allow non disabled people to join, and you

709
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: know a lot of there are non disabled people on

710
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: there have some sort of connection, whether it's through their

711
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: work or through a family member, and so it's disability

712
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: is just like a normal thing. It's just like another

713
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: app that they may join. And yeah, we you know,

714
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: we work really hard to make sure that the app

715
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: is safe. We have profile verifications, we have you know,

716
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: a limited vetting process where we just make sure that

717
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: a profile checks out and there's nothing offensive on there.

718
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, we we welcome everyone whose values align with databilities.

719
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Well, you guys, this is awesome. I mean, I think

720
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: you're doing amazing stuff. I mean, there's so many things

721
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: that are incredible, just even your relationship you guys living together.

722
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, Alexa, you know you you got to find

723
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: a dude, but we'll talk about that later. And then

724
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: Jacqueline like just you know again, it's inspirational on so

725
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: many different levels. Honestly, just the strength that you have

726
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: to sort of move forward and the idea that not

727
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason, but you create a reason

728
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: for the shit that happens, you know what I mean.

729
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: I think that's an important message.

730
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I just want people out

731
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: there to know that, you know, we we're really hard

732
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: on ourselves and we don't give ourselves as much credit,

733
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: but like we are humans and we're adaptable, and if

734
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: disability or when disability affects your life or ch chronic

735
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: illness affects your life, You too can move forward. It

736
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: just could take some time, but it's possible.

737
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Alexi, good on you taking care of your girl.

738
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: She's easy. The joke was always like, when I would

739
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: go on dates, I'd be like, my sister can't get

740
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: a date. But she's the easier sister. I'm annoying and

741
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: she here to deal with, so it's easy and she

742
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: is super self sufficient, so it's like every other relationship.

743
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: But then, yeah, well, you guys are both going to

744
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: find love and it's going to be beautiful. It's gonna

745
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: work out. And then if any vcs, if any money

746
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: people are listening to this, the right kind of investor,

747
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: get a hold of my girls and give them fucking

748
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: money so they can pull this thing up. I appreciate

749
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank you so much. Same and maybe I'll

750
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: run into you in the big state of Colorado if

751
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: you're ever an Aspen. By the way, this whole tell

752
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: your right Aspen thing, you know, the veil Aspen thing,

753
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: you know. I don't get it.

754
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: No, we're all friends, we're all friends, They're all different.

755
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: Aspen hates veil Veil hates Aspen. You know, Aspen is

756
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: an amazing valley, Okay, because I get it, by the way,

757
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: I went to elementary school there. I've been there since

758
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: the eighties. I get that Aspen is like this she

759
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: she sort of tip of the valley insanity. It's it

760
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: can be very fun, by the way, but as you

761
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: move down valley to Glenwood Springs your movie, it's a

762
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: beautiful forty three forty four miles because it's got all

763
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean. But there's this rivalry.

764
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: By the way, tell you ride is amazing.

765
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. Asthen's beautiful. I always think about living

766
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: in Glenwood or Carbondale.

767
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, carbon Carbondale's amazing. By the way, don't go to Glenwood.

768
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: Carbondale's come up carbons snelly from the spring at Yeah. No,

769
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Carbondale's an amazing spot.

770
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's grown a lot in a good way. Actually,

771
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's yeah. Do you just eat?

772
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Since I was a baby, all my whole

773
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: family skis. They tried snowboarding. My kids. I made them

774
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: become great skiers, Like we want a snowboard. I'm like, no, no, no,

775
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: you were going to learn to skier ass off, and

776
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: then you can snowboard. So they became proficient skiers. All right,

777
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: you can snowboard. And they got on the snowboards. They

778
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: did it for like a minute, likeah, we're going to

779
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: God damn.

780
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: Sorry. I wanted a snowboard because the hot guys were snowboarders. Yeah,

781
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: so I was like, okay, I'm going to start to snowboard.

782
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I broke my wrist and I was like, forget this,

783
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: like I've been seeing since I was two.

784
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: What am I doing? Yeah? And by the way, now

785
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: the hot guys are scars too, I know what I mean.

786
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: They all just they all looked like dad's and.

787
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: Now they're exactly exactly. We'll come up, come ski in

788
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: the winter. I'll be there in December, all right, Yeah,

789
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: we'll be there. But I appreciate you guys. Thank you

790
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: so much.

791
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: Thank you.

792
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish you the best of luck. This is

793
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: really fun.

794
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

795
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: All right, later, guys. What an inspiration man, Jacqueline, jeez,

796
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: It's just that was me. I don't know if I

797
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: make it, and if I make it, I don't know.

798
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I uh, I get like a cold or

799
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: a fever, and I think it's the end, you know

800
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm like, oh my god, I have

801
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: like back pain and I'm like, I'm die. I mean,

802
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of hypochondriacal, but just to be able

803
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: to push through life like that, knowing that this is

804
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: chronic pain, this pain is never going away, and to

805
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: be positive. Now, look, there's no doubt that there's moments

806
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: it has to be. But what a team. What a team,

807
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: What an inspirational team. I wish them the best. All right,

808
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I'm starving. I love you all. Peace

809
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: A