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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And President Trump wants to add seven

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars to the already enormous thirty nine trillion dollar

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Speaker 1: national debt. We have such a great show for you today,

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Speaker 1: the Jim Acosta Shows. Jim Acostas inspry to talk about

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Pamela Bondy getting fired. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: the New York Times Teddy Schleifer about all the dark

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Speaker 1: money pouring into our elections. But first the news, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's a good thing that Susie Wilds,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's chief of staff, thinks that Trump is getting

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Speaker 2: smoke bone up as us about how great the war

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Speaker 2: is going and how popular he is. So she's like,

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Speaker 2: we have to get him a dose of reality and

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Speaker 2: get these people to stop talking him.

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Speaker 3: Seems kind of bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Donald Trump is getting these briefings that are

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Speaker 1: basically videos of things blowing up, and this is making

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump think the war is going much better than

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Speaker 1: it is. You worried about an information bubble, Well, this

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Speaker 1: is like an information bubble. Bubble, bubble, This is the

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Speaker 1: information bubble on steroids. This is where we are. Cuse

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Speaker 1: Wiles panicked Pentagon panicked people out there, you know, saying

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Speaker 1: it's not enough troops. You're not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to seize carg Island. If you do, those people are

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Speaker 1: sitting ducks. It's a really great example of just Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump being unable or unwilling to get the information he

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Speaker 1: needs to make decisions that aren't insane. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: in the first Trump administration when people would go on

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Speaker 1: Fox News so that he would see it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, We're going to need.

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Speaker 1: Some of that now because this is just not going

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Speaker 1: to fucking work, and it is interesting to watch Seusee

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Speaker 1: Wiles freak out. I think we're going to see a

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Speaker 1: lot more lead because remember Trump didn't fire people, and

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Speaker 1: he didn't want people to get fired, partially because I

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Speaker 1: think he thought that if he didn't fire people, they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't leak and you wouldn't have this sort of cascade

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Speaker 1: of leaks we had the first time. But the thing

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Speaker 1: that Trump I think didn't realize was, first of all,

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Speaker 1: Trump was already leaking and people were already leaking. But

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Speaker 1: also there's just no way to keep people happy. In

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Speaker 1: this White House, there's so many people have so many

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Speaker 1: different ambitions, very few of which are serving the American people.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are people in there who want to

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Speaker 1: make money. There are people in there who want to

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Speaker 1: do racism, like Steven Miller. There are people in there

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Speaker 1: who want to, you know, enact generational conservative change in

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Speaker 1: the way that would make it so America's unrecognizable. Like,

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Speaker 1: there are just so many different designs. And one of

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Speaker 1: the ways that Donald Trump is able to stay in

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Speaker 1: the center is by playing people off each other. And

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Speaker 1: sooner or later those people get mad and start talking

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Speaker 1: the press. And so as we enter year two or

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Speaker 1: we're two months into year two or two and a

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: That sounds right to me. So a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are very very alarmed since Pete Heigsith has fired some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's really no precedent for this kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And remember the disconnector we've seen is that the military

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Speaker 1: and that's only getting worse and worse as we go

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Speaker 1: the way, there's other reporting that shows that Hegsas refused

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Speaker 1: to promote a bunch of women and people who are black. Shocked, shocking, right,

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Speaker 1: So this is like the anti anti racism, which is

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Speaker 1: just racism in case you're wondering anti anti racism racism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, back when we were laughing about the

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Speaker 2: woke general stuff and you know, the idea of them

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Speaker 2: this war that's going so well, it would make sense

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, like remember Trump cut all of

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Speaker 1: now they're going to ask for one point five trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars for budget request is just such an example of

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Speaker 1: how all of this was never about cutting budgets, how

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Speaker 1: it was never about the debt, how it was always

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Speaker 1: they are undoing Medicaid expansion, they are making the ACA

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Speaker 1: name of cutting the deficit. Meanwhile, the military one to

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Speaker 1: no reason we're in a war of choice that makes

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Speaker 1: insane and it accomplishes nothing. And we still haven't been

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we were told. They just slipped up

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Speaker 2: when they said it to us. But okay, so every

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Speaker 2: once in a while Democrats, who you and I can,

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Speaker 2: have some problems with their messaging, they get sent to

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Speaker 2: gift by one. Mister Trump. I'm going to play you

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Speaker 2: a quote that I think is their great gift of

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Speaker 4: Because the United States can't take care of daycare. That

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Speaker 4: has to be up to a state. We can't take

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Speaker 4: care of daycare. We're a big country, we have fifty states,

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Speaker 4: we have all these other people who are fighting wars.

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Speaker 4: We can't take care of daycare. You got to let

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Speaker 4: us state take care of daycare, and they should pay

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Speaker 4: for it too. They should pay. They have to raise

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Speaker 4: their taxes, but they should pay for it. And we

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Speaker 4: could lower our taxes a little bit to them to

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Speaker 4: care of daycare, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things. They

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Speaker 4: can do it on a state basis. You can't do

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Speaker 1: Yes, Donald Trump wants to have daycare. I think he

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Speaker 2: Right now, trying to predict what's going on in that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I just it's so incredibly

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Speaker 1: the fucking federal government. Like it's terrible. This is all

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Speaker 1: really bad. I don't know how we got here. I

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Speaker 1: And also like it just so dark, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's bad. But yesterday I was on television

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Speaker 1: when you've worked in these institutions to watch Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: Like I have never worked in the federal government. So

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Speaker 1: as much as I am sad watching him destroy it,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a horse in this race the way

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Speaker 1: people who worked in it do. And this sort of

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Speaker 1: just incredible sadness of watching them, having to just watch

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Speaker 1: this carnage that Donald Trump has wrought on all of us.

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Speaker 1: It is real, real depressive. Jim Acosta is the host

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Speaker 1: of Substacks. The Jim Acosta Show and the author of

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Speaker 1: the New York Times bestseller The Enemy of the People,

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Speaker 1: A Dangerous Time to tell the trues in America. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: jimmycus be Black. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: You know what could be what could possibly be a

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Speaker 3: problem right now? Why would I why would I be

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Speaker 3: other than like perfectly happy in this moment.

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Speaker 1: You're live from the rooftops of Washington, DC, where one

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Speaker 1: Pamela Jill Bondi has been fired and is now in Florida, unreal,

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Speaker 1: replaced by Trump presidential lawyer Pad Blanche. Discussion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and apparently Todd Blanche has already said, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Justice Department doesn't need to be involved

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's known as the original sin in

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Speaker 1: all the reporting I've now read the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it all says two things to me. One, this

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Speaker 1: the Trump one point zero stuff where it's like you

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Speaker 1: you're seeing the beginning of Like they're in the Beast

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Speaker 1: and she is saying on the way to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: please please don't fire metal this summer and five different stories.

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Speaker 1: That means the President, Bondie, the driver.

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Speaker 3: I mean Boris Epstein. When I saw his name, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Boris was never a fan. I mean, like it

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Speaker 1: his right. You are going to see pulitzerprise reporting from

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Speaker 1: every outlet from now on, because you know, remember how

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Speaker 1: the how Donald Trump during when he's after the war,

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Speaker 3: No, And I to me a couple of things. One is,

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Speaker 3: you know, so, so we're gonna we're gonna enter into

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Speaker 3: the summer here pretty soon without prosecuting any pedophiles. No,

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Speaker 3: the Epstein files, but we have we have tried to

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Speaker 3: prosecute Jim Comey and Leticia James. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: moral of the story. And these stories about Pam Bondi's

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Speaker 3: firing is that Trump wanted the Epstein files covered up,

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Speaker 3: and he wanted his enemies prosecuted. And so that is

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Speaker 3: madness of King George shit. And the other evidence of

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Speaker 3: shit is that he apparently wants to fire four or

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Speaker 3: five or six different cabinet members. Right now as we speak,

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Speaker 3: He's just fired Christy Nome.

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Speaker 1: We learn about Shavez Streamer. Your days are numbered, continues.

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Speaker 3: Pulci Gabbard, Pam Bondi cash popped up, So he's Trump

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Speaker 3: is looking in every direction because he's got himself in

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Speaker 3: this quagmire. He started the Iran War to cover up

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Speaker 3: about that Trump, you know, in your real son of

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Speaker 3: a bitch. The Europeans get mad at us too. We

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Speaker 3: don't get a jail get out of jail free card, Molly,

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Speaker 3: you and I even though we are of then president,

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Speaker 3: you're so mad. People are so angry with us. One

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Speaker 3: of my favorite stories I don't think got enough coverage

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Speaker 3: was that you know that the Danes, that the Danish

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Speaker 3: head like they were preparing for Trump to invade Greenland

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Speaker 3: by you know, they were getting like blood supplies and

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Speaker 3: they're getting ready to blow up their runways because they

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Speaker 3: didn't want us, you know, troops to start landing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's how no freak out everybody is about what's happening

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 1: We are this is and again it is this mad

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Speaker 1: king thing we had last time where we were like

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Speaker 1: we are hostage to a mad king, and we just

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Speaker 1: did it again for what the reason?

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Speaker 3: And maybe I'm bringing this up too soon to the

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Speaker 3: end of our time together. We could talk about on

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Speaker 3: a different episode, But that is why my show. My

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Speaker 3: personal opinion is that the Democratic candidates need to get

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Speaker 3: out there and start talking about real democratic reforms for

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Speaker 3: the future that we need. I mean, I saw a

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Speaker 3: story today, Molly that said that Trump might get two

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Speaker 3: more Supreme Court justices and he's probably going to put

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Speaker 3: Emma Beave and Todd Blanche or Alien Cannon's So you

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Speaker 3: got to start talking about term limits for justices, talking

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Speaker 3: about expanding the court. Democrats have to stop being afraid

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Speaker 3: of having these kinds of conversations, and we have to

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Speaker 3: lunatic proof our democracy after this is over. It seems

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Speaker 3: to me that's for.

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Speaker 1: Sure for sure. I mean, I do think, like I

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Speaker 1: lean Cannon on the Supreme Court. That's pretty much the

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Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever heard I have.

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Speaker 3: Type for what they would want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.

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Speaker 3: I mean confided to John after he shit the bed

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Speaker 3: the other day when Gorsa asked him, well, what about

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Speaker 3: Native Americans? And he goes oh, I thought about that.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I'm arguing in front of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: When you do that, you're supposed to You're supposed to

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Speaker 3: be thinking about these They don't. They get in the

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Speaker 3: room and work shot this. I don't know. I think

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Speaker 3: I saw that on the West Wing or something.

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Speaker 1: It is. I have to tell you that that Trump

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Speaker 1: coming to birthrights at ascenship arguments, Alito and Thomas still

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Speaker 1: being in the tank for this dumb, dumb argument that

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Speaker 1: everyone knew was ridiculous. It was just and then have

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Speaker 1: Trump in there with Bondi on the way to you know,

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Speaker 1: chatting with her about always get a fire.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, walk around here these days. But you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think that what happened with the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court the other day and how they handled birthright citizenship

485
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Speaker 3: should give people a little bit, just a tiny little

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Speaker 3: bit of hope that they're all of the crazy shit

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Speaker 3: is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Jim mccoss.

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Speaker 3: Welcome anytime.

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Speaker 1: Teddy Schleifer is a New York Times reporter covering billionaires

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Speaker 1: and their impact in the world. Welcome, Welcome, Teddy, Teddy, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: your beat is money in politics, which now is like

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Speaker 1: the basically the biggest sort of underlying story and everything

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Speaker 1: that we are watching. There's so many different things that

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Speaker 1: are making me upset. But let's aren't with the giving pledge.

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Speaker 1: The giving pledge, the idea that very very rich people

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Speaker 1: should give their unspendable fortunes to the working people or

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Speaker 1: the poor out of fashion.

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Speaker 5: Discuss Yes, it's out of fashion for a few reasons.

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Speaker 5: Part of it, I think it's coming from all directions.

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Speaker 5: Part of it's coming from the left, where there's been

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Speaker 5: a critique made of kind of big donors and their

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Speaker 5: influence through their big philanthropic contributions, and you know, shouldn't

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Speaker 5: these people just be taxed and the smithereens. That sort

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Speaker 5: of is the lefty critique, and that's less interesting to

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Speaker 5: me because that's been that's like five years old now, right,

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Speaker 5: or maybe maybe ten years old.

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Speaker 6: Honestly.

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Speaker 5: There's another critique of the giving pledge, which is coming

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Speaker 5: from the right, and that is coming in part from

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Speaker 5: allies of JD.

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Speaker 6: Vance.

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Speaker 5: It's coming in some ways from the Trump himself and

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration as they attack kind of woke andngos

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Speaker 5: and in their view big philanthropy is bad, not because

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Speaker 5: it gives rich people too much power, but because they're

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Speaker 5: funding the wrong stuff. So we have this story that

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Speaker 5: came out out.

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Speaker 1: Should be funding turning point right.

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Speaker 5: Right, And one of the people involved, as we write

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Speaker 5: in the story last month, is Peter Teel.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprisingly, continue.

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Speaker 5: Unsurprisingly, but but I think you know how Teal spends

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Speaker 5: his time, and I'm is interesting to me. And the

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Speaker 5: fact that he's spending any time going around to signers

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Speaker 5: of the Giving Pledge and trying to convince them to

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Speaker 5: unscient is fascinating because why did Peter tile care so much?

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Speaker 5: And you know Teal given on record interview to me

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Speaker 5: where he basically talked about his efforts, which you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't overstated. It's not like the Giving Pledge is

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Speaker 5: going to die tomorrow, but it shows you how unfashionable

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Speaker 5: it's become.

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Speaker 6: Any age of Trump.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Giving Pledge is so fucked. I'm sorry not

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Speaker 1: to put too fine a point on it. Now, money

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Speaker 1: and politics, there is a huge AI push in this selection.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about their's anthropic there's meta, there's

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Speaker 1: any number of groups doing any number of things. So

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Speaker 1: talk us through what AI is doing with our elections.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean to some extent what your average billionaire

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Speaker 5: like Peter Tield does doesn't really matter because these individuals

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Speaker 5: are being vastly outspent by the companies. That's the I

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Speaker 5: think the big story in the midterms is the massive donors.

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Speaker 5: The mega donors are now explicitly corporate interests and it's

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Speaker 5: been true in the past, but the amount of zeros

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Speaker 5: that are being added to the checks this cycle are huge.

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Speaker 5: So we have the AI industry I think above all.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's probably going to be over two hundred

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Speaker 5: million dollars spent by the AI industry this cycle. Honestly,

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Speaker 5: maybe maybe even three hundred million. And it's in races

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Speaker 5: you are thinking about where you have you know, there

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Speaker 5: will be competitive Senate elections this fall, that where the

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Speaker 5: A industry will be spending a time. It's also races

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Speaker 5: are not thinking about like trying to flip a state

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Speaker 5: legislative chamber in Illinois or in Texas. You know, they

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Speaker 5: have a huge state operation in California that's funded by META.

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Speaker 6: So everywhere the country, I.

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Speaker 5: Think we're going to see you know, Americans for Artificial

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Speaker 5: Intelligence Development INK superPAC that going to be the big

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Speaker 5: spender in those races, and for some extemoli this has

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Speaker 5: a lot to do with what happened in with the

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Speaker 5: crypto industry last cycle, where crypto realized, hey, it's kind

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Speaker 5: of easy to you know, buy a couple of seats,

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Speaker 5: and some of those same same funders say, let's do

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Speaker 5: it again with AI.

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Speaker 1: What is Facebook's AI interest here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean Meta has the is a

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Speaker 5: massive challenger to Open AI to Anthropic, to Microsoft, to Amazon,

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Speaker 5: I mean, to some extent, all these companies, their entire

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Speaker 5: existential future depends on AI. And so the fact that

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Speaker 5: you know, there's if they can flip a chamber in

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Speaker 5: a state with ten million bucks, like, that's a pretty

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Speaker 5: good ROI for you know, a.

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Speaker 6: Company it's worth trillions or what's worth trillions of dollars?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't Entropic and Meta do? They all have the same goals,

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Speaker 1: which is just a lack of regulation when it comes

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Speaker 1: AI or they don't know.

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Speaker 5: And that's what's really interesting this cycle is basically the

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Speaker 5: story starts last summer when there was this group started

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Speaker 5: called Leading the Future, which is funded primarily by open AIS,

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Speaker 5: one of Open ass top executives and increasing Horowitz, and

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Speaker 5: then there is this reaction superPAC that starts a couple

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Speaker 5: months later called Public First, which is funded by indirectly

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Speaker 5: by Anthropic, which is almost competing often with Leading the Future.

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Speaker 5: So you know, in some races it's not as if

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Speaker 5: the AI industry is totally aligned in spending all for

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Speaker 5: the same candidate. Sometimes you have the different AI groups,

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Speaker 5: you know, pointing guns at each other, and you know,

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Speaker 5: the antipathy between these two entities is very high, and

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Speaker 5: it creates this funhouse mirrors sort of campaign finance system

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Speaker 5: where it doesn't really matter which billionaires or which voters,

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Speaker 5: never mind them care about certain candidates. It's sort of

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Speaker 5: which of these two dueling AI super PACs you can

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Speaker 5: get to support you.

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Speaker 1: How could these two companies or three companies they want

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Speaker 1: I mean, they all just want regulatory cap sare right?

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Speaker 1: Why would they have such different needs and desires from

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Speaker 1: their candidates?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean and Thropic would say that

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Speaker 5: they do not seek regulatory capture. I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: all the companies to say that do not seek relatory

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Speaker 5: counter but I.

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Speaker 1: In the opinion space can say the truth, which as they.

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Speaker 5: Do Anthropic though, I mean their entire political strategy is

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Speaker 5: very explicit, maybe increasingly explicitly oppositional to the Trump administration.

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Speaker 5: They're super pack, I can tell you, is kind of

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Speaker 5: carefully monitored by the Trump administration. You know, they're trying

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Speaker 5: to obviously kind of repair that relationship after the whole

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Speaker 5: Pentagon fiasco. But unfortunately they're sort of being pegged for them.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately for them, they're being pegged as sort of like

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Speaker 5: the Democratic group.

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Speaker 6: They're very much in opposition to kind of.

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Speaker 5: The you know, David Sachs led let everything go in

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Speaker 5: AI view of the world.

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Speaker 6: So I think that you know, they're there, there really are.

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Speaker 5: There are real tensions between the companies, and I think

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Speaker 5: that speaks to their different political strategies.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so the richest.

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Speaker 6: Man in the world, What happened to that guy? Where

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Speaker 6: do you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, he's still there. So I want you to

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Speaker 1: talk about you have this. He's furious with Dune, he

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Speaker 1: wants you know, he has desires. He's on a call

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Speaker 1: with Mody.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he exists.

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Speaker 1: They sort of say he's out of it, but clearly

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Speaker 1: he's not.

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Speaker 5: So so the person that we're talking about a kiss

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Speaker 5: anyone forgot his name is Elon Musk r Musk. But

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Speaker 5: you know, yeah, it's you don't. You don't see him much.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking about, you know, a year ago now

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Speaker 5: was April twenty twenty five. It was like peak Elon, right,

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Speaker 5: at least the peak Washington Elon. You know nowadays April

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. Musk is very behind the scenes in

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Speaker 5: some ways.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we have the.

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Speaker 5: Story that right that he was on this call between

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Speaker 5: Trump and Mody, which is highly unusual for a private citizen.

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Speaker 5: It was also unannounced, frankly, which I thought was also

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Speaker 5: which I think made it all the more strange, which

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Speaker 5: is that you had the official reouts of the call,

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Speaker 5: which always happened, you know, in bilateral conversations, and no

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Speaker 5: one thought to mention, by the way, it was actually

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Speaker 5: three people or more of you know, at least three people.

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Speaker 6: What have poked him up?

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Speaker 1: Does this mean Elon is back in Trump world too?

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Speaker 1: I think I think overall he is back enough. You know,

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Speaker 1: it is not April twenty twenty five. But yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, from everything like here beyond the Modi call,

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Speaker 1: he is a welcome party. I do not hear the

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Speaker 1: same amount of antagonism toward him from White House aids.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been very active in sort of using

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Speaker 1: his megaphone to go after John Thune on the State

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Speaker 1: of America Act, which is a priority of Trump's. So

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Speaker 1: he's back ish, you know, and I think he is

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Speaker 1: somebody who I expect will spend you know, tens of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars toiep Republicans in the midterms. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be leading, not going to be

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Speaker 1: in a White House job.

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Speaker 6: Like he was last year. But yes, I think he's back.

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Speaker 1: He's really unpopular too, so if Democrats are smart, they

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Speaker 1: will highlight this, but it's off.

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Speaker 6: He's also more behind the scenes, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think part of the reason why Musk

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Speaker 5: was such an easy target for Democrats last year was

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Speaker 5: because he was really in your face.

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Speaker 6: Right now, the.

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Speaker 5: Fact he's on the MODI called they don't say anything, right,

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Speaker 5: and you know he's not doing public events against John

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Speaker 5: fun So that's part of why he's harder to hit

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Speaker 5: is because he's more he's quiet.

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Speaker 1: Get that man a cheese hat and get him on

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Speaker 1: a stage.

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Speaker 6: What's the South Dakota food? You know, that's what he's

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Speaker 6: got to do.

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Speaker 1: Around That's right to South Dakota food. Okay, so I

677
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Speaker 1: want you to talk about what's happening with this TikTok

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Speaker 1: paying ten billion dollar fee to the Trump administration.

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Speaker 6: What, Yeah, have you ever seen that before?

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Speaker 1: I think, I'm sure this administration has done other things

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 5: But what well you may have seen it in investment

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Speaker 5: banking when you know ah, or you know, in just

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Speaker 5: pedestrian m and a where you know, the person who

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Speaker 5: arranges the deal gets you know, a banker fee, and

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Speaker 5: that's sort of how it works, you know, right Dell

687
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Speaker 5: buys you know, Apple or whatever. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 5: in this situation, you had a deal where the banker

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Speaker 5: was the US government effectively, and they collected a ten

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Speaker 5: million dollar fee from Entite's you know, including Oracle and

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Speaker 5: the other buyers or the other new equity holders of

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Speaker 5: tech talk. Yeah, thank god that Uncle Sam gets a

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Speaker 5: couple more dollars to try to out provide it and

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Speaker 5: all those stuff.

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Speaker 1: Who gets it.

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Speaker 5: I don't recall the specifics and how how exactly it

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Speaker 5: gets into view as government coppers, but it's basically a

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Speaker 5: fee to the government real large.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to talk about this sort of

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Speaker 1: dark money in democratic circles because I read this piece

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Speaker 1: this morning that you wrote about how the way that

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Speaker 1: it works now is that you can there's so many

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Speaker 1: ways to obfuscate how money gets so talk us through that.

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Speaker 5: I cover campaign finance, I read FEC filings. I've done

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Speaker 5: this now for ten years. Every cycle, I've noticed more

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Speaker 5: and more that the donors to super PACs, the people

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Speaker 5: who are listed on filings with the Federal Election Commission

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Speaker 5: every couple months, every couple of weeks, are not real people.

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Speaker 5: Those donors are not Joe Smith or Mali Jarvaster Heyschliffer.

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Speaker 5: It's like Americans for prosper I mean party is the

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Speaker 5: real thing, but like you know, Prosperous Americans Alliance, Inc.

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Speaker 5: You know, and it was started three months ago at

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Speaker 5: a post office box in DC, and you know it'll

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Speaker 5: fold immediately after election day. And that's basically how the

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Speaker 5: system now works. And you know the names of these

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Speaker 5: things are preposterous, and they're all sound patriotic, and they're

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Speaker 5: all you know, the operatives kind of jumped from one

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Speaker 5: group to the other. And there's a C three which

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Speaker 5: funds the five oh one C four which funds the

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Speaker 5: superpack and it's just all gross and messy and sort

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Speaker 5: of that's.

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Speaker 6: How the world works. And I want to do a

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Speaker 6: story like sort of try to capture.

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Speaker 5: The complexity and the ways that the Washington really works.

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Speaker 5: And I think the reason this is happening is a

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Speaker 5: couple of things. I mean, one, Republicans have gotten really

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Speaker 5: good at this, and I think Democrats being around twenty

728
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Speaker 5: eighteen or twenty twenty like, have definitely leapfrog Republicans. And

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Speaker 5: it's and the other thing that and this is more

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Speaker 5: of a post twenty twenty four dynamic, is that Democrats

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Speaker 5: are scared a lot of donors. You know, if they

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Speaker 5: can find a way to you know, feel good about

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Speaker 5: their impact on the world, but not have their name

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Speaker 5: on an FEC report, they're going to take it. That's

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Speaker 5: why I think a lot of operatives and fundraisers now

736
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Speaker 5: have really tried to channel more and more of to

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Speaker 5: meet the donor demand. They're trying to offer the supply

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Speaker 5: of these groups, which is like.

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Speaker 1: And that's because of Trump.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a large part of it, especially over

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Speaker 6: the last two years.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think it's hard to say in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one it was because of Trump, but you know,

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Speaker 5: if you can disguise your getting and you know to

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Speaker 5: be clear, like there are some illegal like this could

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Speaker 5: be illegal.

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Speaker 6: If done foreign.

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Speaker 5: If take you a ticket for enough, you can't say

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Speaker 5: I'm going to give to this nonprofit explicitly so they

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Speaker 5: can give it to the super pac so I can

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Speaker 5: avoid having my name attached to it. That's that's a

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Speaker 5: prosecutable crime. But right, get up to the line, and

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Speaker 5: I think my story tries to show that Democrats are

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Speaker 5: often getting up to the.

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Speaker 6: Line on that.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk us through like the sort of Crypto AI,

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Speaker 1: like what the people are who are donating like a pack,

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Speaker 1: like who are the big Dark mind donors?

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Speaker 6: Sure, I mean the big fish of the cycle. You

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Speaker 6: know we mentioned AI earlier.

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Speaker 5: I mean I can cryptos back and ripe around two

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Speaker 5: and they're going to do the same thing they did

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Speaker 5: last cycle.

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Speaker 1: And you said something interesting about Crypto.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Crypto is basically repeating what they're what they did

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Speaker 5: last cycle, and it almost inspired the AI spending that

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Speaker 5: we're seeing this cycle.

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Speaker 1: But they also get involved in races they know they're

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Speaker 1: going to win.

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Speaker 5: Explain Yeah, yeah, I mean one key thing as part

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Speaker 5: of the narrative here and we have to be careful

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Speaker 5: about this in the media.

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Speaker 6: Is like sometimes these these big.

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Speaker 5: Super packs will spend tons of money or actually spend

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Speaker 5: nomenal amounts of money on races that are like already decided,

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Speaker 5: you know, so it's sort of like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 5: they can boost their win total because you know, these

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Speaker 5: groups love to say we won forty eight out of

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Speaker 5: forty nine races on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Right, But they just added a little money something they

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Speaker 1: already knew was going.

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Speaker 6: Sprinkle on the ice cream, and you know, you say

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Speaker 6: you made it. A pack is a huge story.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're more active in democratic primaries and than

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Speaker 5: they are in the general elections or for interpublic primaries.

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Speaker 5: But we saw this in some of the Illinois elections

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Speaker 5: last month, where like the money is just all coming

788
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Speaker 5: from these like interest groups right where it's like like

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Speaker 5: you're trying to follow.

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Speaker 1: Concerned women Democrats of Chicago is right.

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Speaker 5: Right, wreck right, Yeah, And then like six months later

792
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Speaker 5: you'll see some like tax filing that shows that actually

793
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Speaker 5: all the money came from some other nine to ninety

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Speaker 5: other other nonprofit which was started you know, out of

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Speaker 5: the APAC headquarters suspiciously right before the election. I mean, like,

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Speaker 5: I'm not mad that there's you know, gambling in the casino,

797
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Speaker 5: but like I do think it is a public service

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Speaker 5: to elucidate how it works for regular people.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I also think like it's one thing to

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Speaker 1: hide where the money's coming from because you're scared of Trump. Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: that is I think it's still problematic, but it at

802
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Speaker 1: least you can sort of see, Okay, Trump set this

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Speaker 1: situation up, all right, whatever. But to be a huge

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Speaker 1: group that has a very clear interest, whether it be

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Speaker 1: crypto or Israel or any number of other things and

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Speaker 1: trying to obfiscate that's what you're doing, seems really on

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Speaker 1: the edge.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean, you know, Tomato, Tomato, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 5: on that front. I mean, you know, I think I

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Speaker 5: think one thing that's interesting that is I encounter a

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Speaker 5: lot in just the language that donors talk about is

812
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Speaker 5: what some people would see as political giving, they might

813
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Speaker 5: see as philanthropic giving.

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Speaker 6: And I see this on both sides.

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Speaker 5: Like, I mean, I know you might not agree with

816
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Speaker 5: you know, the Coke Network, but like lots of coke

817
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: donors genuinely see their support of Americans for prosperity not

818
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 5: as politics. They don't see that as dark money contributions.

819
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Speaker 5: They see that as I am lifting up people out

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Speaker 5: of poverty with their philanthropic contributions.

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Speaker 1: They're lifting themselves for tax cuts.

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Speaker 6: That's not how they see it.

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Speaker 5: And people on the left, you know, they might see

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Speaker 5: their work as defending democracy capital letters included, and like,

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Speaker 5: you know, people on the right think this is that's ridiculous,

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Speaker 5: This is political giving. And so the line between politics

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Speaker 5: and philanthropy is pretty still and depends on where.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, though all of this could

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Speaker 1: be solved by having a cap to money and politics,

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Speaker 1: it'll never happen. But it's a nice stream. We're almost

831
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Speaker 1: out of time. But is there anything that's flying under

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Speaker 1: the radar here that we should be thinking about?

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Speaker 5: I think that in general, the system has gotten so

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Speaker 5: good at disguising everything that unfortunately I feel like I'm

835
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Speaker 5: constantly behind, so under the radar, Like there's I feel

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00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 5: a million things under the radar, Like you know, I

837
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: guarantee you you know this year there's going to be

838
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Speaker 5: stuff that like comes in up in like September or

839
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Speaker 5: October that like is just totally not figured out until

840
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Speaker 5: way later. I think AI itself is going to make

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Speaker 5: some of this stuff crazy or like you know, like

842
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 5: you know, there's the lack of regulation and you're going

843
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Speaker 5: to have ads that are coming from entities that started,

844
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Speaker 5: you know, a month ago, where the ad is AI

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Speaker 5: generated and I have no idea how AI could like

846
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Speaker 5: affect campaign finance.

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Speaker 6: I think that's another possible disruption to come.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean honestly, I feel like I'm descripting

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Speaker 5: a surf and just try to report the five percent

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Speaker 5: of stuff that's about the water.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I feel about the news cycles.

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Speaker 5: If people come across things that they want me to

853
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 5: know about, please get in touch with me.

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Speaker 1: Teddy Slipher, his dms are open. There's going to be

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Speaker 1: stuff that comes out that we're going to be shocked by, probably, Teddy. Teddy,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 6: You bet.

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Speaker 3: No moment.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon my junk fast.

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Speaker 2: So we have a GOP rep named Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Fandrew who used to be a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Used to be a Democrat from a swingy, swingy district,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, where we're really hoping maybe the

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Speaker 2: New Jersey Dems who don't hear enough about how much

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Speaker 2: they could flip some of these seats more easily that

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Speaker 2: they do their job. Because this is another gift, just

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Speaker 2: like Trump's quote that we played earlier, the show that

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Speaker 2: just keeps on giving.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to this.

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Speaker 7: The list goes on and on of all the things.

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Speaker 7: Our gas tax automatically increases in New and by the way,

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Speaker 7: so do our tolls in our fees automatically increase.

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Speaker 3: All that.

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Speaker 7: Now we're going to have on top of that. And

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Speaker 7: I'm talking to my folks in New Jersey, my state.

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Speaker 7: You better just keep breaking your back and working hard.

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Speaker 7: Maybe get yet another job.

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand that.

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Speaker 2: What, well, you don't, MOLLI The answer to everything when

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Speaker 2: you're these Mike Rogers types, all these Republicans, it's maybe

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Speaker 2: you get another job, because you know what they are.

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Speaker 2: They're really in touch with the people that working working.

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Speaker 2: They really understand that, you know, all you want to

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Speaker 2: do is work all day so we can fund wars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vanrew, incredible stuff from our friend Jeff and Andrew.

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