Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our podstream
Speaker 1: studios right here in Times Square. You know, yesterday I
Speaker 1: found myself going to bed and feeling extraordinarily exhausted, and
Speaker 1: I thought that it was kind of initially vacation hangover, right,
Speaker 1: like when you come back from vacation, it's kind of
Speaker 1: really difficult to get back into the swing of things.
Speaker 1: You feel a little sluggish. But no, that was not
Speaker 1: the case. Yesterday. I found myself laying in my bed
Speaker 1: at around eight pm. I wasn't necessarily tired, like I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to sleep. I was just done. I
Speaker 1: was done with the day. I was done with America.
Speaker 1: I was done with watching the news, I was done
Speaker 1: with being on Twitter and hearing about everything that was wrong.
Speaker 1: And my body was aching and exhausted and just spent.
Speaker 1: And what I find about that is, folks, what is
Speaker 1: happening right now is going to begin to manifest itself physically, spiritually,
Speaker 1: and emotionally. You may find yourself for no reason, bursting
Speaker 1: into tears or just wanting to take a nap. And
Speaker 1: what I want to encourage you at the beginning of
Speaker 1: this show is listen to your body. Listen to yourself,
Speaker 1: because your body is telling you what it is that
Speaker 1: it needs. And right now, what we all need in
Speaker 1: ways that I would never have anticipated, is rest. Because
Speaker 1: I believe that what Republicans and the radical rights and
Speaker 1: these white Evangelical Christians which are just under this whole
Speaker 1: big banner of authoritarians and fascists, what they are trying
Speaker 1: to do is wear us down. What they are working
Speaker 1: to do is wear us out and make us feel
Speaker 1: like we have no options, that there is nothing that
Speaker 1: we can do, that we feel helpless, and that all
Speaker 1: we want to do is check out. Now, what I'm
Speaker 1: offering here is not just saying to check out and
Speaker 1: never check back in. But these moments of angst, of anxiety,
Speaker 1: of stress, of grief require rest so that we can
Speaker 1: restore ourselves, we can recharge, so that we can lift
Speaker 1: our heads out of the sand and continue to march forward.
Speaker 1: Because the journey that we are on is a long one.
Speaker 1: It's actually a marathon. We are in a marathon where
Speaker 1: the baton has been handed over a generation after generation
Speaker 1: after generation, and now it's our turn. At the beginning
Speaker 1: of this year, I found myself really troubled with the
Speaker 1: fact that it had hit me, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: see real justice. I'm never going to probably see real equality.
Speaker 1: Now one can argue that I'll be around God willing
Speaker 1: for several more decades, and maybe I will, maybe I won't.
Speaker 1: There are people right who never thought that they would
Speaker 1: live to see a black president, and they did, But
Speaker 1: I don't think that they ever thought that they would
Speaker 1: live to see the kind of white lash that we
Speaker 1: are recognizing and experiencing on a day to day basis
Speaker 1: because of the election of the nation's first black president.
Speaker 1: Because you see, that's what we're in the midst of, folks,
Speaker 1: is the great American white lash, where white people have
Speaker 1: been told by folks like Donald Trump and DeSantis and
Speaker 1: Abbott and Steve Bannon and Miller and the rest of
Speaker 1: them that this nation is closing in on them, that
Speaker 1: they will soon be the minority, that they must do
Speaker 1: everything within their power to stop the inevitable from happening.
Speaker 1: But the thing is that I always want to argue
Speaker 1: with these folks if I were to ever actually share
Speaker 1: space and breath, which no, because covid A and because
Speaker 1: I care about my sanity. B But the thing that
Speaker 1: I always want to ask is this, why are you
Speaker 1: so concerned about becoming a quote unquote minority. Why are
Speaker 1: you so concerned about the demographic shift? Because if white
Speaker 1: privilege doesn't exist, and white supremacy is something that I've
Speaker 1: made up in my mind, then it shouldn't matter whether
Speaker 1: you're the majority or not, because how you are treated
Speaker 1: won't change. And less, of course, you believe the opposite
Speaker 1: is true, that these things do exist, that you have
Speaker 1: in fact benefited from white privilege, from being able to
Speaker 1: use your whiteness as currency, for never having to worry
Speaker 1: about what would happen to you if you get pulled over,
Speaker 1: what would happen if a security clerk came up to
Speaker 1: you in a store, whether or not when you were
Speaker 1: sending your kids to the store, if they were going
Speaker 1: to return, or you would never see them again. You
Speaker 1: don't ever have to worry about these things, right, because
Speaker 1: you see the world that's been set up for you.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry that if you don't get
Speaker 1: a call back from a job that you went after
Speaker 1: that was it your name? Was it too ethnic? Right?
Speaker 1: Did you show up in the right way at the interview.
Speaker 1: Does the person that is interviewing you more likely than
Speaker 1: not who happens to be white, Do they have any
Speaker 1: black friends? Are they going to try and box you
Speaker 1: if you get there is a culture set up for
Speaker 1: you to succeed, or are they just going to assume
Speaker 1: that if you fail it has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the systems or lack thereof that we're put in place,
Speaker 1: would have everything to do with you, because you know,
Speaker 1: black people, brown people are lazy. They're just not as
Speaker 1: smart as their white counterparts. You see, if you've never
Speaker 1: had to worry or be concerned about any of those things,
Speaker 1: then you have been set up to win. You have
Speaker 1: been set up with a mount of privilege that the
Speaker 1: rest of us have never been afforded. So what would
Speaker 1: make sense then if you were to actually intellectualize what
Speaker 1: is happening right now and say that, oh, well, it
Speaker 1: is white angst right, That's what we were told back
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Bernie Sanders had said it himself. Don't
Speaker 1: talk about identity politics, because you know, white people don't
Speaker 1: want to have an identity. They want to believe that
Speaker 1: they are the norm and that the rest of us
Speaker 1: just act in reaction to them, So you never really
Speaker 1: have to think about anything, but the rest of us do.
Speaker 1: That's what it means to exist in this space. So
Speaker 1: we wonder then, why we are seeing these stories one
Speaker 1: after the other going viral on the internet of white
Speaker 1: people in stores spitting on folks not wearing masks, accosting
Speaker 1: teenagers getting off of the school bus that are wearing
Speaker 1: a mess, threatening to beat up doctors, saying that I
Speaker 1: know where you live because they've never had to work
Speaker 1: in concert, right, They've never had to work in community.
Speaker 1: It's only the rest of us that have had to
Speaker 1: band together. Why because the systems weren't never created for
Speaker 1: us to win. So we were going to have to
Speaker 1: set up our own food programs, our own daycares, our
Speaker 1: own system to work within a system that wasn't created
Speaker 1: for us. So we're shocked right now at the fact
Speaker 1: that the lack of patriotism, but we never held hands
Speaker 1: around the flag because we don't see that symbol in
Speaker 1: the same way. So the idea then that we need
Speaker 1: to do this type of outreach to this community that
Speaker 1: has done nothing to reach out to anyone that doesn't
Speaker 1: look like them, doesn't pray like them, doesn't love like them,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to exist like them, is bullshit to me.
Speaker 1: You know. Coming up next, Folks, is going to be
Speaker 1: my conversation with my friend abortion activist Danielle Campamore. And
Speaker 1: Danielle has been on the show throughout the years, and
Speaker 1: the interview that you were about to listen to was
Speaker 1: a tough one. Tough one because it's hard right now.
Speaker 1: It is hard if you are a person that is conscious,
Speaker 1: if you are a person that has spent your life
Speaker 1: and career trying to create room and make space for
Speaker 1: other people to be advocated for the forgotten, it is
Speaker 1: really tough right now. So Danielle is going to offer
Speaker 1: ways in which each of us can help in this moment,
Speaker 1: right and not just rely on the fact that, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we don't live in Texas, so I don't have to care.
Speaker 1: If there's anything that we have learned over the last
Speaker 1: eighteen months, it is just how connected we all are
Speaker 1: and just how easy it is to lose our rights
Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. Everything that you thought
Speaker 1: was cemented is not. And if they can come for
Speaker 1: abortion rights, now, what do you think they're going to
Speaker 1: go for next? It's voting rights? Abortion rights, LGBTQ rights,
Speaker 1: religious freedom, for everybody that isn't Christian that will be gone.
Speaker 1: Pay attention because the alarm is sounding and they are
Speaker 1: coming for each and every single one of us. And
Speaker 1: unless we stand up as a collective, unless we allow
Speaker 1: our voices to be heard, unless we start to put
Speaker 1: our money where our mouth is, if you have the
Speaker 1: ability to do so, I'm going to be doing this
Speaker 1: show from an undisclosed location until they come and drag
Speaker 1: me out, because that's where this is headed. Coming up next, folks,
Speaker 1: is my conversation with our friend Danielle Campamore, and I
Speaker 1: hope that you will let me know what you are
Speaker 1: thinking about this moment, how you are dealing with the
Speaker 1: stress of this moment, because we will, in fact get
Speaker 1: through it. We will get through it together, folks. I
Speaker 1: am very excited. Well, I wish that every time that
Speaker 1: we had Danielle Campamore on that we were actually talking
Speaker 1: about strides that we've made in abortion rights, and you
Speaker 1: know how we have expanded it. But Danielle, you know
Speaker 1: it seems that every time that we bring you on,
Speaker 1: we are in the midst of a disaster. You are
Speaker 1: an abortion advocate, a freelance writer. You have written on
Speaker 1: this topic, you speak on this topic before we jump
Speaker 1: into the details of where we are in Texas and
Speaker 1: the copycatting that we're seeing happen now across Red States.
Speaker 1: Tell me how you're feeling about, you know, what the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court did with their shadow docket, and the fact
Speaker 1: that Democrats for some reason couldn't see this coming, even
Speaker 1: though we knew that we had three Trump appointed, you know,
Speaker 1: judges that are incredibly radically to the right. Right. First,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me and I echo
Speaker 1: your sentiments. I wish we were speaking under far better
Speaker 1: circumstances right now. I am incredibly angry, I am incredibly sad,
Speaker 1: and I am incredibly exhausted. I have had an abortion.
Speaker 1: I don't have any shame about my abortion as the
Speaker 1: best decision I've ever made, and it's given me the
Speaker 1: life I have now, including my two sons. And my
Speaker 1: heart just goes out to the people in Texas who
Speaker 1: are being forced into parenthood, forced to carry pregnancies, pregnancies
Speaker 1: that they don't want, forced to give birth, which is dangerous,
Speaker 1: especially in this country, particularly in Texas, and I feel
Speaker 1: for the providers. I have been on the phone with
Speaker 1: people on the ground. They're scrambling to find additional funds
Speaker 1: to get people out of states. Abortion providers are looking
Speaker 1: at ways in which they can protect themselves. One abortion
Speaker 1: provider who I speak with frequently, in particular, her son,
Speaker 1: was asking her questions about ways in which that she
Speaker 1: could or a person could escape jail. She asked him
Speaker 1: why he was interested in jail. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he said, because you're an abortion provider, mom, and abortions illegal. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean their parents, they loved ones, they're family members,
Speaker 1: their children, their siblings are all afraid for them, and
Speaker 1: they're afraid for themselves. But amongst all of that, I
Speaker 1: am also in awe of these providers, of these abortion
Speaker 1: fund workers. They are tired and angry and sad too.
Speaker 1: They're scared also, But they've been here before, They've done
Speaker 1: this before, and they're going to continue to fight. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a very important message to send the
Speaker 1: people of Texas. If you find out that you were pregnant,
Speaker 1: there are people who will help you. You are not alone,
Speaker 1: and this is not over. You know, Danielle, you helped
Speaker 1: to paint such a perfect picture of the pain and
Speaker 1: the frustration, the uncertainty right of a son having to say,
Speaker 1: how do people escape from from prison because fearful of
Speaker 1: what is going to happen to his mother that is
Speaker 1: a provider? Can you tell us? Because what I am
Speaker 1: hearing or you know and reading, is that a lot
Speaker 1: of the abortion providing clinics have shut down right because
Speaker 1: of the fear of the essentially the abortion bounty hunters
Speaker 1: that now have a price on their heads of ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars that they could possibly sue up to in
Speaker 1: civil courts. So, how many abortion clinics were there in
Speaker 1: Texas prior to this draconian move by Governor Abbot and
Speaker 1: how many are there today a week now post the decision? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to take this in the context
Speaker 1: of what abortion accesses look like in Texas. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: a law was passed that essentially shuttered about half the
Speaker 1: clinics that were there. The law demanded that abortion clinics
Speaker 1: adhered to hospital regulation regulations and that providers would have
Speaker 1: admitting privileges in nearby hospitals, and that was impossible. The
Speaker 1: hospitals simply denied them admitting privileges, and therefore they couldn't
Speaker 1: grant abortion access in their clinics, so that shut it
Speaker 1: about half of them already, so abortion access prior to
Speaker 1: this six week ban was already difficult for a lot
Speaker 1: of people. There were a handful of clinics at best.
Speaker 1: Leading up to when the band was going to go
Speaker 1: into effect, there were anti abortion people. They're shining floodlights
Speaker 1: at the clinics, trying to look inside to see if
Speaker 1: they were going to be offering abortion services past the
Speaker 1: midnight deadline. They have been outside the clinics now harassing them,
Speaker 1: saying that they're going to turn them in. They're watching them.
Speaker 1: There's always fear of violence that's been escalated the clinics.
Speaker 1: Some it's not that they're shutting down, is that they
Speaker 1: simply can't provide services anymore. People aren't able to get
Speaker 1: to them in time. The six week ban is almost
Speaker 1: impossible to overcome. Most people do not know that they
Speaker 1: are pregnant within that timeframe. They don't even if you
Speaker 1: have a normal period, you aren't going to miss that
Speaker 1: period until five weeks. That gives you a week and
Speaker 1: Texas already has other laws in place, including mandatory waiting period,
Speaker 1: mandatory counseling that deny care. So the clinics just simply
Speaker 1: don't have anyone that they can help withness moments. And
Speaker 1: that's where they're having to send people out of state
Speaker 1: and therefore having to shift down because there's really nothing
Speaker 1: for them to do. Their hands are time. What happens
Speaker 1: now if I'm a woman that is in Texas, I'm
Speaker 1: a person that is in Texas because there are people
Speaker 1: with uteruses. If I'm a person that is in Texas
Speaker 1: and it is past the six week ban, right, you
Speaker 1: just laid that laid that timeline out. If I go
Speaker 1: to another state according to this law and then come
Speaker 1: back to Texas, what is what potentially can happen to me? Well,
Speaker 1: if you're the person who obtained the abortion out of
Speaker 1: state according to this law, nothing but if anyone in
Speaker 1: this state helped you, if anyone assisted you in any
Speaker 1: way leaving the state, according to this law, someone can
Speaker 1: turn them in. So if a parent helped you, if
Speaker 1: a partner helped you pay for it, if a friend
Speaker 1: helped you drive, if someone told you go to this
Speaker 1: website and they can help you get the funds, they
Speaker 1: can all be sued. And so while the person doesn't
Speaker 1: have any legal ramifications. The people that assisted them would
Speaker 1: be liable according to this law. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: just absolutely disgusting. And you know, the more that I
Speaker 1: unpack it and the more that I understand it, I don't.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us why Democrats didn't see something
Speaker 1: like this coming? And why only now after the fact,
Speaker 1: we're hearing that the Department of Justice is looking into
Speaker 1: ways in which we can uphold Roe v. Wade because
Speaker 1: it was the law of the land. But it's not so.
Speaker 1: I mean what, I know that you are not a lawyer,
Speaker 1: but you are very involved in understanding how abortion works
Speaker 1: state by state. So why couldn't Democrats see this coming?
Speaker 1: Why didn't they see this coming? And I'm going to
Speaker 1: try and get through this segment without cursing, because I'm
Speaker 1: incredibly angry at the Democrat girl. The show is called
Speaker 1: Vocus fuck. You know damn well that you can curse
Speaker 1: on here, and this is a cursing moment. He has
Speaker 1: not said the word abortion once. He didn't once when
Speaker 1: he denounced this ban, and then he goes back to
Speaker 1: saying healthcare, women's choice, reproductive healthcare. He won't even say
Speaker 1: the word abortion, and many of these Democrats won't. They
Speaker 1: want to shy away from it. And that is the
Speaker 1: reason why we were caught on our heels is because
Speaker 1: they did see this coming. They know that this has happening.
Speaker 1: If they paid attention to any of the Texas Abortion
Speaker 1: Fund workers, the advocates, the abortion storytellers who've been sharing
Speaker 1: their experiences to end abortion stigma and to work to
Speaker 1: expand access, they would have seen this coming a mile
Speaker 1: away because they knew was coming. And it's been here already.
Speaker 1: There are a handful of states with only one people
Speaker 1: have to drive hundreds of miles away already. This is
Speaker 1: nothing new. It's just now grabbing headlines. So now we're
Speaker 1: getting halfhearted condemnations from an administration who should be doing more,
Speaker 1: who can do more, and who needs to do more,
Speaker 1: and that includes ending the filibuster and expanding the court.
Speaker 1: Anything less than that makes them complicit enforcing people in
Speaker 1: this country, the United States of America, to give birth.
Speaker 1: You know, for years, right back when I was on Serious,
Speaker 1: you would come on and we would talk about The
Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale, and we would talk about where we were going.
Speaker 1: If we were not going to have an open conversation
Speaker 1: about abortion right. And you're right because we democrats to
Speaker 1: me this issue, do the abortion issue a continued disservice
Speaker 1: when we decide to wrap it around euthanisms. I read
Speaker 1: an article yesterday and I can't remember the name of
Speaker 1: the author, but it was so punchy and to the
Speaker 1: point because they were saying that, look, I don't have
Speaker 1: to tell you why I had an abortion. I don't
Speaker 1: need to offer you a sob story. I don't need
Speaker 1: to offer you a conversation about rape and incest and
Speaker 1: what have you. People have abortions for a range of
Speaker 1: fucking reasons, and most of the time they are happy
Speaker 1: that they did so right. And most of the time
Speaker 1: it is people that are already parents who are having
Speaker 1: abortions because they know about the cost, they know about
Speaker 1: the time, they know that they are either working in
Speaker 1: a job or in a state that is not going
Speaker 1: to be of service and help provide right for them
Speaker 1: after the fact, after a child leaves uterus. And so
Speaker 1: you know, my frustration here is is this a time
Speaker 1: that you believe that we are going to move Democrats
Speaker 1: from there? You know from their tiptoeing around what this
Speaker 1: actually means, and get to the heart of the heart,
Speaker 1: or are we just going to see more to your point,
Speaker 1: halfhearted thoughts about oh, well, sh aim on Texas and
Speaker 1: shame on Abbot and let me pray for them type
Speaker 1: of bullshit when we know that that is actually not
Speaker 1: going to change policy, It isn't going to make women
Speaker 1: in Texas more free, and frankly, we're going to see
Speaker 1: a domino effect, which we've already started to see since
Speaker 1: the midnight deadline hit last week. Absolutely, I think that
Speaker 1: is entirely up to us. I think we have to
Speaker 1: demand more of this administration. I think one of many
Speaker 1: of the downfalls of four years of Trump is that
Speaker 1: it's well, at least he was better than the guy. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not good enough. And I'm tired of us treating
Speaker 1: Biden with kid gloves. Fuck that, I don't care. We
Speaker 1: need to demand more of them, and if they don't
Speaker 1: do more, then they need to lose their jobs. That's
Speaker 1: the end of it. We also need to demand that
Speaker 1: they center abortion storytellers and that they talk about abortion
Speaker 1: number one at all, say the word. It's not a
Speaker 1: bad word. And number two accurately. I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of our politicians and a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the media easily attached, hold onto and then regurgitate anti
Speaker 1: abortion terms that are not factual at all, their devoid
Speaker 1: of reality, their stigma inducing. For example, this is not
Speaker 1: a heart fan. There is no heartbeat at six weeks,
Speaker 1: Yet we use that all the time. We say late
Speaker 1: term abortion. That is not a thing. Late term in
Speaker 1: pregnant past forty weeks. No one is having an abortion
Speaker 1: past forty weeks. Just partial of birth abortion. That is
Speaker 1: not a thing. Post birth abortion that is not a thing.
Speaker 1: Yet we see those terms because their headline grabbing, and
Speaker 1: because politicians are too lazy to center people or to
Speaker 1: learn or to listen from the people that have had abortions,
Speaker 1: who know and give abortions, who know how that works,
Speaker 1: to know the correct terms, and so they're doing the
Speaker 1: work for these people. They're doing the work for problems
Speaker 1: in Texas and elsewhere. Do we work for anti choice
Speaker 1: finance abortion people. So we center storytellers, abortion advocates, and
Speaker 1: abortion providers, learn from them, and then demand that this
Speaker 1: administration actually do something instead of saying that they want
Speaker 1: to protect row. Then this is going to continue. We're
Speaker 1: going to see more states do exactly what Texas did.
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna see row fall, not just in name,
Speaker 1: but in actuality. That's it for Today's Woke, a f
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Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke, and stay
Speaker 1: woke as fuck.