1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our podstream 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: studios right here in Times Square. You know, yesterday I 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: found myself going to bed and feeling extraordinarily exhausted, and 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: I thought that it was kind of initially vacation hangover, right, 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: like when you come back from vacation, it's kind of 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: really difficult to get back into the swing of things. 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: You feel a little sluggish. But no, that was not 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: the case. Yesterday. I found myself laying in my bed 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: at around eight pm. I wasn't necessarily tired, like I 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: wanted to go to sleep. I was just done. I 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: was done with the day. I was done with America. 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: I was done with watching the news, I was done 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: with being on Twitter and hearing about everything that was wrong. 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: And my body was aching and exhausted and just spent. 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: And what I find about that is, folks, what is 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: happening right now is going to begin to manifest itself physically, spiritually, 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: and emotionally. You may find yourself for no reason, bursting 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: into tears or just wanting to take a nap. And 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: what I want to encourage you at the beginning of 21 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: this show is listen to your body. Listen to yourself, 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: because your body is telling you what it is that 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: it needs. And right now, what we all need in 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: ways that I would never have anticipated, is rest. Because 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: I believe that what Republicans and the radical rights and 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: these white Evangelical Christians which are just under this whole 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: big banner of authoritarians and fascists, what they are trying 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: to do is wear us down. What they are working 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: to do is wear us out and make us feel 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: like we have no options, that there is nothing that 31 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: we can do, that we feel helpless, and that all 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: we want to do is check out. Now, what I'm 33 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: offering here is not just saying to check out and 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: never check back in. But these moments of angst, of anxiety, 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: of stress, of grief require rest so that we can 36 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: restore ourselves, we can recharge, so that we can lift 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: our heads out of the sand and continue to march forward. 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: Because the journey that we are on is a long one. 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: It's actually a marathon. We are in a marathon where 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: the baton has been handed over a generation after generation 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: after generation, and now it's our turn. At the beginning 42 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: of this year, I found myself really troubled with the 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: fact that it had hit me, I'm never going to 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: see real justice. I'm never going to probably see real equality. 45 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: Now one can argue that I'll be around God willing 46 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: for several more decades, and maybe I will, maybe I won't. 47 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: There are people right who never thought that they would 48 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: live to see a black president, and they did, But 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that they ever thought that they would 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: live to see the kind of white lash that we 51 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: are recognizing and experiencing on a day to day basis 52 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: because of the election of the nation's first black president. 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Because you see, that's what we're in the midst of, folks, 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: is the great American white lash, where white people have 55 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: been told by folks like Donald Trump and DeSantis and 56 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Abbott and Steve Bannon and Miller and the rest of 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: them that this nation is closing in on them, that 58 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: they will soon be the minority, that they must do 59 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: everything within their power to stop the inevitable from happening. 60 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: But the thing is that I always want to argue 61 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: with these folks if I were to ever actually share 62 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: space and breath, which no, because covid A and because 63 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: I care about my sanity. B But the thing that 64 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: I always want to ask is this, why are you 65 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: so concerned about becoming a quote unquote minority. Why are 66 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you so concerned about the demographic shift? Because if white 67 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: privilege doesn't exist, and white supremacy is something that I've 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: made up in my mind, then it shouldn't matter whether 69 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: you're the majority or not, because how you are treated 70 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: won't change. And less, of course, you believe the opposite 71 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: is true, that these things do exist, that you have 72 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: in fact benefited from white privilege, from being able to 73 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: use your whiteness as currency, for never having to worry 74 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: about what would happen to you if you get pulled over, 75 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: what would happen if a security clerk came up to 76 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: you in a store, whether or not when you were 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: sending your kids to the store, if they were going 78 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: to return, or you would never see them again. You 79 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: don't ever have to worry about these things, right, because 80 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: you see the world that's been set up for you. 81 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to worry that if you don't get 82 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: a call back from a job that you went after 83 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: that was it your name? Was it too ethnic? Right? 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: Did you show up in the right way at the interview. 85 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Does the person that is interviewing you more likely than 86 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: not who happens to be white, Do they have any 87 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: black friends? Are they going to try and box you 88 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: if you get there is a culture set up for 89 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: you to succeed, or are they just going to assume 90 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: that if you fail it has nothing to do with 91 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: the systems or lack thereof that we're put in place, 92 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: would have everything to do with you, because you know, 93 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: black people, brown people are lazy. They're just not as 94 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: smart as their white counterparts. You see, if you've never 95 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: had to worry or be concerned about any of those things, 96 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: then you have been set up to win. You have 97 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: been set up with a mount of privilege that the 98 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: rest of us have never been afforded. So what would 99 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: make sense then if you were to actually intellectualize what 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: is happening right now and say that, oh, well, it 101 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: is white angst right, That's what we were told back 102 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Bernie Sanders had said it himself. Don't 103 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: talk about identity politics, because you know, white people don't 104 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: want to have an identity. They want to believe that 105 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: they are the norm and that the rest of us 106 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: just act in reaction to them, So you never really 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: have to think about anything, but the rest of us do. 108 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: That's what it means to exist in this space. So 109 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: we wonder then, why we are seeing these stories one 110 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: after the other going viral on the internet of white 111 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: people in stores spitting on folks not wearing masks, accosting 112 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: teenagers getting off of the school bus that are wearing 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: a mess, threatening to beat up doctors, saying that I 114 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: know where you live because they've never had to work 115 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: in concert, right, They've never had to work in community. 116 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: It's only the rest of us that have had to 117 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: band together. Why because the systems weren't never created for 118 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: us to win. So we were going to have to 119 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: set up our own food programs, our own daycares, our 120 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: own system to work within a system that wasn't created 121 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: for us. So we're shocked right now at the fact 122 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: that the lack of patriotism, but we never held hands 123 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: around the flag because we don't see that symbol in 124 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: the same way. So the idea then that we need 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: to do this type of outreach to this community that 126 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: has done nothing to reach out to anyone that doesn't 127 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: look like them, doesn't pray like them, doesn't love like them, 128 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: doesn't want to exist like them, is bullshit to me. 129 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: You know. Coming up next, Folks, is going to be 130 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 1: my conversation with my friend abortion activist Danielle Campamore. And 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Danielle has been on the show throughout the years, and 132 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: the interview that you were about to listen to was 133 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: a tough one. Tough one because it's hard right now. 134 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: It is hard if you are a person that is conscious, 135 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: if you are a person that has spent your life 136 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: and career trying to create room and make space for 137 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: other people to be advocated for the forgotten, it is 138 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: really tough right now. So Danielle is going to offer 139 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: ways in which each of us can help in this moment, 140 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: right and not just rely on the fact that, oh, well, 141 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: we don't live in Texas, so I don't have to care. 142 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: If there's anything that we have learned over the last 143 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: eighteen months, it is just how connected we all are 144 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: and just how easy it is to lose our rights 145 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. Everything that you thought 146 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: was cemented is not. And if they can come for 147 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: abortion rights, now, what do you think they're going to 148 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: go for next? It's voting rights? Abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, 149 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:14,359 Speaker 1: religious freedom, for everybody that isn't Christian that will be gone. 150 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Pay attention because the alarm is sounding and they are 151 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: coming for each and every single one of us. And 152 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: unless we stand up as a collective, unless we allow 153 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: our voices to be heard, unless we start to put 154 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: our money where our mouth is, if you have the 155 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: ability to do so, I'm going to be doing this 156 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: show from an undisclosed location until they come and drag 157 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: me out, because that's where this is headed. Coming up next, folks, 158 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: is my conversation with our friend Danielle Campamore, and I 159 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: hope that you will let me know what you are 160 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: thinking about this moment, how you are dealing with the 161 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: stress of this moment, because we will, in fact get 162 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: through it. We will get through it together, folks. I 163 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: am very excited. Well, I wish that every time that 164 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: we had Danielle Campamore on that we were actually talking 165 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: about strides that we've made in abortion rights, and you 166 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: know how we have expanded it. But Danielle, you know 167 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: it seems that every time that we bring you on, 168 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: we are in the midst of a disaster. You are 169 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: an abortion advocate, a freelance writer. You have written on 170 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: this topic, you speak on this topic before we jump 171 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: into the details of where we are in Texas and 172 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: the copycatting that we're seeing happen now across Red States. 173 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Tell me how you're feeling about, you know, what the 174 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court did with their shadow docket, and the fact 175 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: that Democrats for some reason couldn't see this coming, even 176 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: though we knew that we had three Trump appointed, you know, 177 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: judges that are incredibly radically to the right. Right. First, 178 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me and I echo 179 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: your sentiments. I wish we were speaking under far better 180 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: circumstances right now. I am incredibly angry, I am incredibly sad, 181 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: and I am incredibly exhausted. I have had an abortion. 182 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I don't have any shame about my abortion as the 183 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: best decision I've ever made, and it's given me the 184 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: life I have now, including my two sons. And my 185 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: heart just goes out to the people in Texas who 186 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: are being forced into parenthood, forced to carry pregnancies, pregnancies 187 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: that they don't want, forced to give birth, which is dangerous, 188 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: especially in this country, particularly in Texas, and I feel 189 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: for the providers. I have been on the phone with 190 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: people on the ground. They're scrambling to find additional funds 191 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: to get people out of states. Abortion providers are looking 192 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: at ways in which they can protect themselves. One abortion 193 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: provider who I speak with frequently, in particular, her son, 194 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: was asking her questions about ways in which that she 195 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: could or a person could escape jail. She asked him 196 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: why he was interested in jail. All of a sudden, 197 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: he said, because you're an abortion provider, mom, and abortions illegal. Now, 198 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean their parents, they loved ones, they're family members, 199 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: their children, their siblings are all afraid for them, and 200 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: they're afraid for themselves. But amongst all of that, I 201 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: am also in awe of these providers, of these abortion 202 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: fund workers. They are tired and angry and sad too. 203 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: They're scared also, But they've been here before, They've done 204 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: this before, and they're going to continue to fight. And 205 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a very important message to send the 206 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: people of Texas. If you find out that you were pregnant, 207 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: there are people who will help you. You are not alone, 208 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: and this is not over. You know, Danielle, you helped 209 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: to paint such a perfect picture of the pain and 210 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: the frustration, the uncertainty right of a son having to say, 211 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: how do people escape from from prison because fearful of 212 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: what is going to happen to his mother that is 213 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: a provider? Can you tell us? Because what I am 214 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: hearing or you know and reading, is that a lot 215 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: of the abortion providing clinics have shut down right because 216 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: of the fear of the essentially the abortion bounty hunters 217 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: that now have a price on their heads of ten 218 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: thousand dollars that they could possibly sue up to in 219 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: civil courts. So, how many abortion clinics were there in 220 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: Texas prior to this draconian move by Governor Abbot and 221 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: how many are there today a week now post the decision? Right? Well, 222 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I think it's important to take this in the context 223 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: of what abortion accesses look like in Texas. In twenty thirteen, 224 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: a law was passed that essentially shuttered about half the 225 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: clinics that were there. The law demanded that abortion clinics 226 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: adhered to hospital regulation regulations and that providers would have 227 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: admitting privileges in nearby hospitals, and that was impossible. The 228 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: hospitals simply denied them admitting privileges, and therefore they couldn't 229 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: grant abortion access in their clinics, so that shut it 230 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: about half of them already, so abortion access prior to 231 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: this six week ban was already difficult for a lot 232 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: of people. There were a handful of clinics at best. 233 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Leading up to when the band was going to go 234 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: into effect, there were anti abortion people. They're shining floodlights 235 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: at the clinics, trying to look inside to see if 236 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: they were going to be offering abortion services past the 237 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: midnight deadline. They have been outside the clinics now harassing them, 238 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: saying that they're going to turn them in. They're watching them. 239 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: There's always fear of violence that's been escalated the clinics. 240 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: Some it's not that they're shutting down, is that they 241 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: simply can't provide services anymore. People aren't able to get 242 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: to them in time. The six week ban is almost 243 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: impossible to overcome. Most people do not know that they 244 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: are pregnant within that timeframe. They don't even if you 245 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: have a normal period, you aren't going to miss that 246 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: period until five weeks. That gives you a week and 247 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: Texas already has other laws in place, including mandatory waiting period, 248 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: mandatory counseling that deny care. So the clinics just simply 249 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: don't have anyone that they can help withness moments. And 250 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: that's where they're having to send people out of state 251 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and therefore having to shift down because there's really nothing 252 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: for them to do. Their hands are time. What happens 253 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: now if I'm a woman that is in Texas, I'm 254 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: a person that is in Texas because there are people 255 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: with uteruses. If I'm a person that is in Texas 256 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: and it is past the six week ban, right, you 257 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: just laid that laid that timeline out. If I go 258 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: to another state according to this law and then come 259 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: back to Texas, what is what potentially can happen to me? Well, 260 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: if you're the person who obtained the abortion out of 261 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: state according to this law, nothing but if anyone in 262 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: this state helped you, if anyone assisted you in any 263 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: way leaving the state, according to this law, someone can 264 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: turn them in. So if a parent helped you, if 265 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: a partner helped you pay for it, if a friend 266 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: helped you drive, if someone told you go to this 267 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: website and they can help you get the funds, they 268 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: can all be sued. And so while the person doesn't 269 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: have any legal ramifications. The people that assisted them would 270 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: be liable according to this law. I mean, this is 271 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: just absolutely disgusting. And you know, the more that I 272 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: unpack it and the more that I understand it, I don't. 273 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: Can you explain to us why Democrats didn't see something 274 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: like this coming? And why only now after the fact, 275 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: we're hearing that the Department of Justice is looking into 276 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: ways in which we can uphold Roe v. Wade because 277 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: it was the law of the land. But it's not so. 278 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean what, I know that you are not a lawyer, 279 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: but you are very involved in understanding how abortion works 280 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: state by state. So why couldn't Democrats see this coming? 281 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: Why didn't they see this coming? And I'm going to 282 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: try and get through this segment without cursing, because I'm 283 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: incredibly angry at the Democrat girl. The show is called 284 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: Vocus fuck. You know damn well that you can curse 285 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: on here, and this is a cursing moment. He has 286 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: not said the word abortion once. He didn't once when 287 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: he denounced this ban, and then he goes back to 288 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: saying healthcare, women's choice, reproductive healthcare. He won't even say 289 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: the word abortion, and many of these Democrats won't. They 290 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: want to shy away from it. And that is the 291 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: reason why we were caught on our heels is because 292 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: they did see this coming. They know that this has happening. 293 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: If they paid attention to any of the Texas Abortion 294 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: Fund workers, the advocates, the abortion storytellers who've been sharing 295 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: their experiences to end abortion stigma and to work to 296 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: expand access, they would have seen this coming a mile 297 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: away because they knew was coming. And it's been here already. 298 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: There are a handful of states with only one people 299 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: have to drive hundreds of miles away already. This is 300 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: nothing new. It's just now grabbing headlines. So now we're 301 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: getting halfhearted condemnations from an administration who should be doing more, 302 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: who can do more, and who needs to do more, 303 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: and that includes ending the filibuster and expanding the court. 304 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: Anything less than that makes them complicit enforcing people in 305 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: this country, the United States of America, to give birth. 306 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: You know, for years, right back when I was on Serious, 307 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: you would come on and we would talk about The 308 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale, and we would talk about where we were going. 309 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: If we were not going to have an open conversation 310 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: about abortion right. And you're right because we democrats to 311 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: me this issue, do the abortion issue a continued disservice 312 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: when we decide to wrap it around euthanisms. I read 313 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: an article yesterday and I can't remember the name of 314 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: the author, but it was so punchy and to the 315 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: point because they were saying that, look, I don't have 316 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: to tell you why I had an abortion. I don't 317 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: need to offer you a sob story. I don't need 318 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: to offer you a conversation about rape and incest and 319 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: what have you. People have abortions for a range of 320 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: fucking reasons, and most of the time they are happy 321 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: that they did so right. And most of the time 322 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: it is people that are already parents who are having 323 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: abortions because they know about the cost, they know about 324 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: the time, they know that they are either working in 325 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: a job or in a state that is not going 326 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: to be of service and help provide right for them 327 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: after the fact, after a child leaves uterus. And so 328 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, my frustration here is is this a time 329 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: that you believe that we are going to move Democrats 330 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: from there? You know from their tiptoeing around what this 331 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: actually means, and get to the heart of the heart, 332 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: or are we just going to see more to your point, 333 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: halfhearted thoughts about oh, well, sh aim on Texas and 334 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: shame on Abbot and let me pray for them type 335 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: of bullshit when we know that that is actually not 336 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: going to change policy, It isn't going to make women 337 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: in Texas more free, and frankly, we're going to see 338 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: a domino effect, which we've already started to see since 339 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: the midnight deadline hit last week. Absolutely, I think that 340 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: is entirely up to us. I think we have to 341 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: demand more of this administration. I think one of many 342 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: of the downfalls of four years of Trump is that 343 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: it's well, at least he was better than the guy. Well, 344 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: that's not good enough. And I'm tired of us treating 345 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: Biden with kid gloves. Fuck that, I don't care. We 346 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: need to demand more of them, and if they don't 347 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: do more, then they need to lose their jobs. That's 348 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: the end of it. We also need to demand that 349 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: they center abortion storytellers and that they talk about abortion 350 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: number one at all, say the word. It's not a 351 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: bad word. And number two accurately. I think that a 352 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: lot of our politicians and a lot of people in 353 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: the media easily attached, hold onto and then regurgitate anti 354 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: abortion terms that are not factual at all, their devoid 355 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: of reality, their stigma inducing. For example, this is not 356 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: a heart fan. There is no heartbeat at six weeks, 357 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Yet we use that all the time. We say late 358 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: term abortion. That is not a thing. Late term in 359 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: pregnant past forty weeks. No one is having an abortion 360 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: past forty weeks. Just partial of birth abortion. That is 361 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: not a thing. Post birth abortion that is not a thing. 362 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: Yet we see those terms because their headline grabbing, and 363 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: because politicians are too lazy to center people or to 364 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: learn or to listen from the people that have had abortions, 365 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: who know and give abortions, who know how that works, 366 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: to know the correct terms, and so they're doing the 367 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: work for these people. They're doing the work for problems 368 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: in Texas and elsewhere. Do we work for anti choice 369 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: finance abortion people. So we center storytellers, abortion advocates, and 370 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: abortion providers, learn from them, and then demand that this 371 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: administration actually do something instead of saying that they want 372 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: to protect row. Then this is going to continue. We're 373 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: going to see more states do exactly what Texas did. 374 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: And then we're gonna see row fall, not just in name, 375 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: but in actuality. That's it for Today's Woke, a f 376 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: daily podcast. 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