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Speaker 1: This is episode twenty five of Native Lampod where we

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Speaker 1: give you our breakdown on all things.

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Speaker 5: Politics and culture.

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Speaker 1: And we are your hosts, Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, and

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gillen.

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Speaker 5: What's going on, friends and fans?

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Speaker 4: Family, family, family. We have storm down here in Florida,

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Speaker 4: and all I know is my grandmama said, when it

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Speaker 4: started lightning, the thing you're supposed to quiet down, turn

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Speaker 4: the lights all stop moving around, just everybody sits still.

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Speaker 4: So I'm acting in contradiction.

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Speaker 5: Of all of that yeah, I gotta say, you better

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Speaker 5: not go out.

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Speaker 4: Didn't go out.

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Speaker 5: I know I'm saying it better not go back out.

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Speaker 6: My grandma used to say that same thing Andrew, like

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Speaker 6: when she said, when God moving, you be stilled. It

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Speaker 6: was always a storm and we used to go to

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Speaker 6: the basement and just sit. I used to love it

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Speaker 6: because we would all be together in the basement.

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Speaker 4: It used to terrify me. But I will tell y'all,

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Speaker 4: I did go and turn all the lights out throughout

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Speaker 4: all the surroundings except where I'm sitting, as if it's safety.

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Speaker 5: I guess it might save you. Grandma's wisdom saved a

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Speaker 5: lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, shout out to all the grandma shout out to

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Speaker 1: all the grandmothers.

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Speaker 5: We love y'all. We thank God for you all the time.

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Speaker 5: You saved our lives.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Thanks for riding with us.

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Speaker 1: So everybody's on today's episode, we are going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about what just happened in Jamal Bowman's race in

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Speaker 1: New York. It is a stunner for me, and Jamal

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Speaker 1: is a personal friend, so I am feeling for Jamal

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Speaker 1: in this moment. I don't know what you all have

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Speaker 1: to say about the race. But I got a lot

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Speaker 1: of layers that I hope you can get through pretty quickly.

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Speaker 5: Wait, you got Andrew.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you well, everywhere I turned left, right upside down.

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Speaker 4: There's something going on with the internets. And again this

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Speaker 4: week the Supreme Court, just this week let a decision

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Speaker 4: come down regarding the Biden administration and frankly previous presidents

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Speaker 4: and interaction with social media companies, and it has Justice

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Speaker 4: Alito's head spinning on us swivel. And of course there

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Speaker 4: is a new Surgeon General's report out around the impacts

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Speaker 4: of social media on mental health of adolescence, and I

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Speaker 4: dare say all of us and I look forward to

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Speaker 4: talking with you all about it.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, there's a place that made

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Speaker 1: a lot of black folks feel real crazy, and that

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Speaker 1: was on Juneteenth, the announcement that Timbaland and Swiss beats

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Speaker 1: so distribution rights to Twitter are formerly known as Twitter

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Speaker 1: now X. They say, cancel that, dude. So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit, but not in

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Speaker 1: the ways y'all think. I think there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of aspects of this that have been asked, answered and

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Speaker 1: analyzed and replied.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to get into that part too.

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Speaker 6: For what you got, I want to talk about the

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Speaker 6: unrest happening in Kenya and the parallels that exist, what's

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Speaker 6: what's happening here in the United States.

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Speaker 7: So stay tuned to the end of the show for that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you all know it wouldn't be Native Lampid

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Speaker 1: without hearing from our Native Lampod fam So we will

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Speaker 1: definitely do that and of course will have calls to action.

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Speaker 5: We just are not just about words on this show.

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Speaker 5: It's also action, you guys.

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Speaker 1: I you know what, before we even get into the race,

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Speaker 1: clip about what happened in Jamal Bowman's race.

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Speaker 8: Does this feel like the haleable divide because it feels racial,

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Speaker 8: It feels like regional in you know, the Westchester folks

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Speaker 9: I think actually the answer to that question is something

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Speaker 9: that we've talked about in our reporting and our stories

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Speaker 9: on this race overall, which is the fact that this

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Speaker 9: feels in some ways like a twenty sixteen reducts. It's

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Speaker 9: got different issues at play, But the fact that Bernie

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Speaker 9: Sanders and Hillary Clinton are both key endorsers in this

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Speaker 9: race on opposite sides, just shows how long this rift

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Speaker 9: within the Democratic Party has been going on and the

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Speaker 9: ways in which that divide after.

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Speaker 7: Twenty sixteen was healible.

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Speaker 9: Okay, let's see if it's healable on a micro scale

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Speaker 9: here in the sixteenth Congressional District of New York.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to start there because I think in

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Speaker 1: so many ways, we keep harkening back to another point

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Speaker 5: You know, whether it's in the sixties, it's twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I wish we could harken back to two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight sentiments sometimes, but I mean we really are. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it feels like sixteen nineteen NSB. Sometimes seventeen seventy six.

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Speaker 1: I think the frustration I have about this particular race

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Speaker 1: is Jamal Bowman, who's become a friend of mine, is

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Speaker 1: a former principal of a school really really incredibly brilliant.

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Speaker 1: He represents, at least through the end of the year

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Speaker 1: unless of the changes the New York's sixteenth Congressional district.

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Speaker 5: The demographics of that district have changed.

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Speaker 1: It is thirty seven percent white, it is thirty two

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Speaker 1: percent Black, twenty two percent Hispanic. But the divide doesn't

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Speaker 1: just exist with the fact that Hillary Clinton endorsed George

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Speaker 1: Latimer and that Bernie Sanders endorsed Jamal Bowman. The divide

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Speaker 1: is also very deep along Westchester versus South Bronx, you know,

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Speaker 1: The overall income in this area is over ninety six

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Speaker 5: And there are a few other.

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Speaker 1: Things that I want to get into, but first I

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Speaker 1: just want to get into the narrative that, you know,

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Speaker 1: a PAC conquered Jamal Bowman, and that's not really what

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Speaker 1: happened here. They absolutely spent the most amount of money

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Speaker 1: in any primary in history. This primary was very, very expensive.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot on the line, and I certainly

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Speaker 1: think they that a PAC and other related packs had

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Speaker 1: hotly contested. George Latimer, of course, is a county.

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Speaker 5: Exec in Westchester County, YEP.

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Speaker 1: And so I just anyway, I want to stop here

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Speaker 1: and let your way in, and then I got some

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Speaker 1: other things that I want to flag.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I was inspired early on by Jamal

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Speaker 4: Congressman Bowman and just really impressed with one his willingness

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Speaker 4: as well as a leader amongst leaders as it relates

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Speaker 4: to the squad. You know, each of those individual persons

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Speaker 4: you know, to me just stands out regardless of what

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Speaker 4: seemingly uncompromising voices on the things that they believe in.

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Speaker 4: And I just hope that no one takes from this

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Speaker 4: the message that those individuals themselves, as they constitute the Squad,

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Speaker 4: are in any how do you say peril or risk?

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Speaker 4: They've been challenged before, they have had significant financial contributions

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Speaker 4: that back. And I just don't believe that this is

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Speaker 4: the end for brother Bowman, and I really do wish

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Speaker 4: him well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I give a little context to the audience, and

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Speaker 6: because if you don't live in this district, then why

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Speaker 6: do you care?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of conversation around this because

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Speaker 6: of the role of apac apak is the American Israel

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Speaker 6: Public Affairs Committee or Political Action Committee, depending on what

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Speaker 6: you know, this excites the Beltway press because some people

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Speaker 6: think it's a referendum on the quote unquote squad. The Squad,

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Speaker 6: as you all know, began with four members, four women

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Speaker 6: members in twenty sixteen and has since expanded. AOC I

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Speaker 6: think was the most prominent but the original for Aana

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Speaker 7: Uh han Omar ilhan Omar, thank you out of Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: And so you know, he was one of the people

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Speaker 6: He swelled the ranks of the Congressional Black Caucus. So

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Speaker 6: what issues did he stand on? Who will go on

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Speaker 6: to win in the primary? Will Latimer represent your interest

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Speaker 6: in the primary? I think the point Angela was trying

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Speaker 6: to make is because that divide among Westchester and South

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Speaker 6: So you know, even though you represent a district, you

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Speaker 6: vote as you know, a part of a larger body,

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Speaker 6: right exactly, And so when you lose a voice like that,

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Speaker 6: I think those are the things that people should really

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Speaker 4: Or a caucus, as you said, Tiffany, that is attempting

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Speaker 4: to grow in strength and its ability to really serve

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Speaker 4: as a conscience reminder on every vote, whether or not

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Speaker 4: we're Democrats in Washington and the members at large are

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Speaker 4: in service to the people or to some other constituency

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Speaker 4: that they won't name, but we know in too many ways,

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Speaker 4: it's too all powerful and omnipresent and almost every issue.

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Speaker 7: I just want to shout him out too, because when

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Speaker 7: my show was canceled, he was a very vocal supporter,

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Speaker 7: So I appreciate his support there.

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Speaker 1: Jama is somebody who I think stands on business in

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Speaker 1: ways that make people feel uncomfortable. He is a very

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Speaker 1: loud voice. He's a very clear voice. He's very convicted

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that is kind of frustrating to me

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Speaker 1: is the fact that we haven't talked about like the

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Speaker 1: racial animists that exists with black men who display anger

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Speaker 1: real hits because of how he displays his passion on issues.

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Speaker 1: People have talked about the way he cusses, or he

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Speaker 5: It's so low. Let me think about how many issues

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Speaker 3: Welcome, welcome, come, well, come, well come.

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Speaker 5: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: And ti if Angela and of course our listeners. As

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Speaker 7: Are you using your device or is your device using you?

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Speaker 4: Can you put it down?

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Speaker 4: That was Doja Cat the last voice you heard, proud

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Speaker 6: So there's that bucket that definitely should concern all of us,

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Speaker 6: to you, and I just don't talk to them. I

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Speaker 6: don't spend my time with those people. If you can't

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Speaker 6: be present and look at me when I'm speaking and

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Speaker 6: listen to what I'm saying and participate fully in the conversation.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I'm concerned with some of the regulation

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Speaker 6: because it depends on what administration is in office when

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Speaker 6: it comes to you know, what information we share and

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Speaker 6: how we share it. But on the social side of it,

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Speaker 6: I wish we could all self regulate and get off it,

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Speaker 6: put it down sometimes, you know, it should not be

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Speaker 6: our lifeline to society, and I feel like it is

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Speaker 6: increasingly so how people relate to each other. Young people

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Speaker 6: don't even know how to talk to each other. They

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Speaker 6: don't even ask each other out. They don't speak game

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Speaker 6: no more. It's all about a DM or a snapchat

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Speaker 6: or whatever the latest platform is.

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Speaker 7: So it's concerning for.

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Speaker 4: Sure, And Angela, I appreciate that context too in the

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Speaker 4: framing tiff as always. And you know, we've got scientists

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Speaker 4: that have diverged on both sides of this issue of

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Speaker 4: whether or not social media and it's ubiquitous consumption access

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Speaker 4: to it rather for young people is in fact impacting

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Speaker 4: their mental health. So unfortunately, scientists have to do what

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Speaker 4: scientists do, and often they are lagging indicators on a

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Speaker 4: lot of this stuff we here twenty thirty years later.

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Speaker 4: This was bad for you, but you've been consuming it

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Speaker 4: for the last thirty years. So putting science where it

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Speaker 4: needs to be, I mean, do I believe my lying

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Speaker 4: eyes or no? Are young people not appearing all of

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Speaker 4: us appearing differently and showing up differently in the world.

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Speaker 4: I think possibly in part to this part.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just really quick.

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Speaker 1: I would say I fought on this issue where the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court fail, which is standing right, So scientists might

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Speaker 1: have some standing, sure, but I'm gonna trust the parents

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Speaker 1: over the scientists here.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 1: So I will tell you I really wanted watch my

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Speaker 1: god children and how much they are engaging in social media.

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Speaker 1: I have one in particular that spent over forty hours

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Speaker 1: a week on TikTok, and it's it is deeply concerning,

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Speaker 1: deeply troubling. And it starts not just with them, but

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Speaker 1: like all children, you watch them like have a fit

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Speaker 1: until they get the device. I think we're not any difference,

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Speaker 1: like where's my phone, where's my phone?

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Speaker 5: Where's my phone?

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Speaker 1: There's this constant like you're almost controlled by it, and

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Speaker 1: one and the same Like there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: debate about l a USD saying that they're going to

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Speaker 1: prohibit devices period. Well, parents are like, yeah, why don't

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Speaker 1: you prohibit these school shootings?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 1: You know, so like you there's this this good and

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Speaker 1: the bad, like there's a calendar share, like which parent

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Speaker 1: is picking them up? Like they're all of these other

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Speaker 1: things that matter. Yeah, for devices, but also the device

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Speaker 1: itself is a problem.

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Speaker 4: So so does it to be a smartphone? As could

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Speaker 4: it not be?

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Speaker 5: I stand for a flip phone.

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Speaker 1: But good luck on texting on that joker quickly and

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Speaker 1: having any type of calendar invite.

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Speaker 5: But until then, we're gonna invite you to this ad break.

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Speaker 1: So everybody I have been calling June Kendrick Lamar Appreciation month.

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00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: He definitely owned Juneteenth, and some folks who didn't own

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Speaker 1: Juneteenth but might have sold away some distribution rights were

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Speaker 1: Swiss Beats and Timbaland, and I have been really fascinated

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Speaker 1: watching the debate here. I've been asking a lot of questions,

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Speaker 1: which normally I don't do. I'll just have an opinion,

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Speaker 1: a strong opinion. But I've been asking a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions because I've been seeing the flat side of my

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Speaker 1: own hypocrisy here. So I wanted to start this conversation

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Speaker 1: with our own little poll because you know, we're a

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Speaker 1: residential poll firm. Now we pull black people. You all

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Speaker 1: are included. So I'm gonna start with you, Tiff and Andrew.

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Speaker 1: I would like to know how much money it would

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Speaker 1: take for you all to sell Native Land pod distribution

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Speaker 1: rights two X right there, yeah, right now, fifty dollars

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Speaker 1: and maybe a gift card to a restaurants.

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Speaker 5: You a cheap hole.

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Speaker 4: You want to give it, you want to give it away.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was worth more than friend, take.

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Speaker 5: Me the red lobster.

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Speaker 7: Listen, these coins tight over here, so I might need

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Speaker 7: the wrong person.

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Speaker 5: Asks not for.

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Speaker 2: I.

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Speaker 4: Look, I haven't seen X two years.

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Speaker 1: I guess okay, but so but if somebody, if if

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Speaker 1: I Heeart Approachest or reason trace media approaches, said hey

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Speaker 1: we've got this incredible distribution deal opportunity with X, you.

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Speaker 4: Know distribution, So you tell it it is, it is,

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Speaker 4: it is accessible, It has been leveled all of us.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing it in a different way that why would

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Speaker 4: you sell what you already own?

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Speaker 1: Okay, because maybe having it on Twitter to it increases

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Speaker 1: opportunities eyeballs, like we have the podcast We have the

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Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube, we have it on Spotify, we have

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Speaker 1: it on Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 4: I get it, but guess what you can give glimpses

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Speaker 4: into that? Didn't people like put two minutes or sixty

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Speaker 4: second whatever videos up.

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Speaker 5: Want to tell you what you're doing right now?

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Speaker 1: You know how there's a debate tomorrow when this podcast drops.

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Speaker 1: There's a debate. You're giving me one of those debate answers.

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Speaker 5: I want to know how much money, what it costs.

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Speaker 4: You, Angela it is, and what I'm the numbers. I

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Speaker 4: am not going to sell what I own for someone

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Speaker 4: to do what I can already do.

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Speaker 7: You don't, you don't know, and they're not doing what

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Speaker 7: you can do.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry versus no, Andrew.

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Speaker 5: The question is.

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Speaker 1: If we had an opportunity to distribute Native lampod on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: how much?

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Speaker 5: What is the dollar amount sir? That is the question I.

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Speaker 4: Humbly passed, and begin with I passed.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, So here's this is the part right.

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Speaker 1: So for me, there are kids I need to send

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Speaker 1: to college, there are bills I need to pay. There

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Speaker 1: there's there's something self righteous in me that feels like

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Speaker 1: if I can change what's happening on Twitter. I want

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Speaker 1: to do that, you know, like, if we get our

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Speaker 1: content out, maybe he pushes it harder than he pushes

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Speaker 1: that nonsensus Tip would say.

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Speaker 5: Vacations, we need to pay for vacations. We need to

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Speaker 5: pay I would say a cool.

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Speaker 6: Five million, five million, if anybody know, come five million.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we can talk.

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Speaker 4: And all you get is what we've already produced.

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Speaker 7: That's not true, Andrew, that is not where you're getting

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Speaker 7: that from.

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Speaker 4: What I if this is about the sale of Versus.

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Speaker 5: No, I asked a different question and you refuse to

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Speaker 5: answer the question on the table because we're not in Twitter.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we're not in versus and we don't but

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Speaker 7: we don't own Okay, so let.

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Speaker 4: Me let me let's do something else to explain it

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Speaker 4: to me.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I want to I want to waste time.

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Speaker 1: I want to waste time on this. Let's say be

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Speaker 1: Et comes to us, which is the legitimate thing. BT

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Speaker 1: comes us, and they say they want to distribute the podcast.

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Speaker 1: They want to air forty five minutes, a forty five

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Speaker 1: minute cut down of the podcast once a week. What's

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Speaker 1: the dollar figure you sell that for for distribution? They

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Speaker 1: don't own the pot you still are a producer on the.

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Speaker 4: Pod and would it be exclusive? No, that's the only

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Speaker 4: way you get to see us.

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Speaker 5: No how much.

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Speaker 7: Andrew like if they say we got dollars a distribution.

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Speaker 4: You're just asking the questions that I would want to have.

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Speaker 5: What it costs for you?

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Speaker 4: How about fifty fifty mil ten.

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Speaker 5: Or fifty million dollars distribution deal?

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Speaker 4: Non exclusive? And will do recorded promoted not have?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 5: And I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't want Andrew negotiating an.

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Speaker 4: You think we were fifty three fifty three cents fifty dollars?

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Speaker 4: You think you worth five million. I'm trying to ask

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Speaker 4: the questions that might help lead me to a rational

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Speaker 4: estimation of what we're worth and without one worth million at.

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Speaker 5: Least Lebron, Thanks Lebron, Thanks Lebrin.

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Speaker 4: If Lebron can do it in one year, I just

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Speaker 4: laid out a ten yurre deal.

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Speaker 6: Okay, But I take your point is I think you're

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Speaker 6: trying to make a point. Is here and here is

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Speaker 6: the point Tivity is like, make your part break.

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Speaker 1: I have not made the point the first Andrew answer

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Speaker 1: the question we said you in debates, damn.

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Speaker 4: It out to land on my nose.

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Speaker 5: Well, boom on the nose. Anyway, I like it. I

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Speaker 5: appreciate this.

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Speaker 1: I like to get Tim Maya here Andrews like after

615
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Speaker 1: all them dugs, as you know, we're get it.

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Speaker 5: So here's the theme.

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Speaker 1: People had so much heat for Tim and Swiss about

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Speaker 1: this distribution deal. They say as black owned, but they're

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Speaker 1: posing with Elon on Juneteenth to announce it. And I

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Speaker 1: think folks were more upset about the picture and the

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Speaker 1: image than they were about the distribution itself. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of criticism about it, and I think that all

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about really is the hypocrisy that

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Speaker 1: exists for all of us, Like we don't know how

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Speaker 1: much it was worth, but I can tell you those

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00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: two businessmen then sell that for cheap. I ain't seen

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Speaker 1: her sell a little bit when last time y'all seen verses?

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Speaker 1: That was my other pole question about right, the last

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Speaker 1: one I remember seeing was Escape in a WV. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't watch it again, but I'm saying, like,

631
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Speaker 1: I don't even remember the last time we saw it.

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Speaker 5: So I'm actually like fascinated.

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Speaker 4: Designed for COVID where you couldn't get no by nobody,

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Speaker 4: but who you breathe with Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, but I'm fascinated to know, like what if

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Speaker 1: they actually hustled Elion Musk.

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Speaker 7: Because then that's the question. Yeah, yeah, Like I think

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00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 7: that that's the point you're you're making.

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Speaker 6: It's because on one side, that is like, we're gonna

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Speaker 6: get this dude's money, you know, Yeah, we're selling the price.

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00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 6: We're not making money anyway, We're gonna sell it to

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Speaker 6: him for a big chunk of money because y'all know,

643
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Speaker 6: he thinks he know the culture and he he he

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Speaker 6: wants to picture with us on juneteen. Fine, we'll get it.

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Speaker 6: So then it becomes well, what are y'all doing with

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Speaker 6: this money? How are you uplifting the culture? How are

647
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 6: you using capitalism in this platform to fight back some

648
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 6: of the oppression that black folks are still experiencing in

649
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Speaker 6: this country?

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Speaker 7: Like then that's a different set of questions.

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Speaker 6: On the other side, is by giving our culture and

652
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Speaker 6: talent over to a platform that promotes and welcomes white

653
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 6: supremacists this information, you are also legitimizing that platform. You

654
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 6: are lending your talent, your face, your reputation to Elon Musk,

655
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Speaker 6: who is the equivalent of an evil character in an

656
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 6: Austin Powers film, like he's somewhere stroking a cat, you know,

657
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Speaker 6: with his pinky finger in the air. So then is

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Speaker 6: that a wise move too? What Angelin and I talked

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Speaker 6: about is a little bit when this first happened, we

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Speaker 6: were on the phone, and the point I understood you

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Speaker 6: to be making, tell me if I'm.

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Speaker 7: Wrong, is how are we.

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Speaker 6: How are we prioritizing our own hypocrisy or how are

664
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Speaker 6: we considering our own hypocrisy? Because if we say, oh,

665
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 6: Twitter is terrible, then are we promoting this podcast on Twitter?

666
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 6: Are we promoting other things that we do on Twitter?

667
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 6: And does that make us hypocritical? And if we're saying

668
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Speaker 6: Twitter is terrible, they are white supermass.

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Speaker 7: I don't use it. But we're talking on our iPhone.

670
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 7: You and I were both on our iPhones and we're talking.

671
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 6: About this and the labor practices and the cobalt and

672
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Speaker 6: all the things that the that makes the iPhone problematic

673
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Speaker 6: or all these smartphones problemat Where do we draw the.

674
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Speaker 7: Line when it comes to our morals and the choices

675
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Speaker 7: that we make? And I think that it can be

676
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Speaker 7: a fuzzy line for a lot of people.

677
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Speaker 4: I mean I think people are going to reserve their

678
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: clutch your pearls righteous moment and apply it as selectively

679
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: as they think about it, because that's just how that

680
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: thing operates and how it works. That's not to dismiss

681
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Speaker 4: whether or not there are credible questions to be asked

682
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: when a platform empowered for and then powered by the

683
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Speaker 4: community feels like they have some sense of ownership to it,

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Speaker 4: access to it. We made this work when them feeds

685
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Speaker 4: was dropping the middle ten minutes in and we still

686
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Speaker 4: holding thirty minutes in, babyfacing y'all anyway for the thing

687
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Speaker 4: to start, We held you down. And so I think

688
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: the way folks are thinking about it is much more

689
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Speaker 4: democratized than some economic trade off between two corporations or

690
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Speaker 4: a number of corporate entities who don't have to think

691
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Speaker 4: about that. And if I'm thinking about it in the

692
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Speaker 4: lens of I helped build this, I sustained this. We

693
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Speaker 4: were all scraping for what we could get by way

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Speaker 4: of sanity, and we built this and now it's gone.

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Speaker 4: I understand how folks can feel that way. Now, is

696
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Speaker 4: it right and merited with regard to how they choose

697
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Speaker 4: to then spend those resources? No, it's a company, it's

698
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Speaker 4: an idea of business and advent so on and so forth,

699
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Speaker 4: and if they don't apply a set of moral value

700
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Speaker 4: standards or whatever. To an Elon Musk, who didn't just

701
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Speaker 4: welcome the voices of the most extreme in society, did

702
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Speaker 4: all he could to level what's factual what is not.

703
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Speaker 4: He started charging folks for a blue check when those

704
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: blue checks exist to determine and signal to people that

705
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Speaker 4: this is a real person versus that fake over there.

706
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Speaker 4: So somebody who is not interested in seeing the facts

707
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Speaker 4: wants to blur the lines so deeply that truth no

708
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Speaker 4: longer matters because there is no truth. I mean, I

709
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Speaker 4: can't get in bed with that.

710
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Speaker 6: But you know, it's capitalism, and it is, yeah, some

711
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Speaker 6: of the the point, even when it comes to black folks,

712
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Speaker 6: A billionaire is a billionaire is a billionaire, like I

713
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Speaker 6: think you when we look at some of the billionaires

714
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Speaker 6: that we know and how they move and decisions they

715
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Speaker 6: make and financial moves they make that aren't always uplifting

716
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Speaker 6: to the culture or for the culture.

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Speaker 7: And there is I think a certain level.

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Speaker 6: Where do you lose touch with the community and some

719
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 6: of your decisions you make or you know, are you

720
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Speaker 6: seduced by the trappings of wealth that you forget about

721
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Speaker 6: those things.

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't causes that.

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Speaker 7: Power proximity to power, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you don't have that money to have power.

725
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Speaker 5: You don't.

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Speaker 1: But this is the point I think that we should,

727
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Speaker 1: at least on this podcast, in this space, we should

728
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: stress test where our flat sides are and where our

729
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: blind spots are, and where our hypocrisies exist.

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Speaker 5: I am blown away by the fact that people tweeted

731
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Speaker 5: about how mad they were about this deal for free.

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Speaker 4: You mean I got a suspended license and I called

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Speaker 4: in the court while Oh no, no, I'm just saying,

734
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Speaker 4: but that's your point. You're on the platform, you got

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Speaker 4: an account.

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Speaker 6: But I think selling the platform Angela versus tweeting on

737
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Speaker 6: it is different.

738
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Speaker 1: But did they sell it or did they just distribute

739
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Speaker 1: there like they were distributing on Triller and He And

740
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Speaker 1: here's my other thing. If they say I'm going to

741
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Speaker 1: distribute on a place where black people overwhelmingly occupy, that

742
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Speaker 1: is still catering to the culture because unfortunately, we haven't

743
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Speaker 1: supported spill at the levels that we should or spoutable

744
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Speaker 1: at the levels that we should.

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Speaker 5: So they're like where we're going to go where black

746
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Speaker 5: people meet? Remember that?

747
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Speaker 7: Why haven't we supported?

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Speaker 5: Oh, Tip, that's a great I mean, I think it's

749
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: a great question. You guys know, I love us. I

750
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 5: would love for us to have our own stuff.

751
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: What is it gonna take for us to support our

752
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: step to the degree where somebody could get a distribution

753
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: deal like that on ours?

754
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Speaker 5: And until that happens, how dear? Like, come on, you guys.

755
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 7: Get the picture.

756
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Speaker 1: Boys, I get the picture, but like I'm saying, I

757
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: didn't finish my how dear, how dare you tweet about

758
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Speaker 1: it for free and then criticize them for making the deal,

759
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Speaker 1: Like where was this smoke for?

760
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Speaker 5: Where was the smoke for?

761
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Speaker 7: Don?

762
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Speaker 5: Lemon?

763
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 7: Don got all kind of smoke?

764
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Speaker 4: You?

765
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Speaker 6: You said that before, And I was like, what, I

766
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 6: didn't see it? I definitely saw it. I think I

767
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 6: saw it online. I saw it in my personal inbox

768
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 6: and text message like there was definitely a lot of

769
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Speaker 6: conversation about why.

770
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Speaker 5: Maybe they just didn't tell me.

771
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Speaker 4: I think my decision probably mostly for reputation. It likely

772
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Speaker 4: ain't money.

773
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Speaker 5: And I believe you, Tip, I'm not calling you a lot.

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00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I get it.

775
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Speaker 5: Or maybe I wasn't paying attention at that point. I

776
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: think I was just so surprised.

777
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Speaker 1: It's like you're surprised though, right like when when Yeah,

778
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: but I was surprised versus like I was surprised honestly

779
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: by Swiss and Tim too, But I don't have smoke

780
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: for it. Like for me, I'm like to me, I'm like,

781
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: get your money, and then when you get your money,

782
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: I expect you to do certain things that are uplifting

783
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: to the community. Now here's my last focus of a

784
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: question because this went long, But here's my last question.

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Speaker 5: Would you all take a distribution deal with Fox?

786
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 7: No, you mean Fox News or Fox Corporation.

787
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 5: Let's do Fox Corporation.

788
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 6: Probably no, but it depends on what it is and

789
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Speaker 6: what it looked like. How much too well is that

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Speaker 6: fifty three seventy five? Would it gift cards the DK

791
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Speaker 6: favory or are we talking like just Streight Cass.

792
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Speaker 5: I don't know. For Fox, they have so much, so

793
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Speaker 5: much with.

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Speaker 4: It'd have to be a wicked amount, Like tell.

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Speaker 5: Me, tell me how wicked Andrew like we be.

796
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Speaker 4: We get in the bill, We'll be in the bill,

797
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Speaker 4: in the bill.

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Speaker 6: Billion Billy has got to be something else.

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Speaker 4: If it's got an organization, that corporation like that made

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Speaker 4: the decision that we were a desirable enough content that

801
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Speaker 4: their viewership, subscribership, you know, whatever where they make their money,

802
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: is still willing to stay in that place.

803
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Speaker 5: And hear us they're going to give you. Okay, I'm

804
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 5: about to set up the deal for you'll.

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Speaker 1: They're going to give you uh uh five million each

806
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: a year and give you titles in Fox Soul and

807
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: decision making power. No decision making power, decision making power

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Speaker 1: on Fox Soul, in equity in Fox Corporation, let's say

809
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Speaker 1: three percent equity per host every year.

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Speaker 6: I'm countering with I want a spot on Fox News.

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Speaker 6: They got to air this on Fox News? Oh you

812
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 6: want it on Fox News?

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00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 11: Yeah?

814
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Speaker 7: Because there we have to penetrate Like that is a problem.

815
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Speaker 1: Do you want do you want a daily show on

816
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Speaker 1: Fox News or do you want a weekend show on

817
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: Fox News.

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Speaker 4: I'm about to jump off the building.

819
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 6: They have to broadcast this podcast on Fox jumping off

820
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Speaker 6: the building during some of their highest rated programs. So

821
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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's Sean Hannity or whatever, but

822
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Speaker 6: if they want to give you a spot on the five, no, No,

823
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Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not not hostings before I know you did.

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Speaker 5: I have never I've always told.

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Speaker 4: Them, no exclusive decision making.

826
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Speaker 5: Exclusive decision making about what about what.

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Speaker 4: Goes on show itself. No, our show can't tell us

828
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: to have guests who guests ought to be. There's no

829
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Speaker 4: corporate line, there's no this is industry across corporation.

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Speaker 5: Five million a year and you're ownership stake in Fox Corporation.

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Speaker 4: I do that.

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Speaker 7: But that see, I'd have to restructure at all.

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Speaker 5: Of course, Tiff, but just theoretically so long.

834
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 4: You know how some artists will have to own their masters.

835
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: We have to own our masters, own our masters.

836
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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, I would I al would have some I

837
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: would have some structure in there that we would come

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Speaker 6: together on as a trio and say, you know, with

839
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Speaker 6: the equity and the money and all of that, has

840
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Speaker 6: got to be some sort of HBCU initiative. They got

841
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Speaker 6: to set up a studio in the hood on the

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00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 6: South side of Chicago. They got to have a spot

843
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 6: in Atlanta, like they gonna be in the blackest areas

844
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Speaker 6: across the bench.

845
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Speaker 7: But I's so.

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Speaker 5: Good to one thing.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I really appreciate my pole questions and

848
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: my focus grouping with you all today is because I

849
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: think one we're showing people that there is a way

850
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: to get to yes, especially if you consider a model

851
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: of no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.

852
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: There are things that we can utilize these toxic people,

853
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: these toxic places for it ensure a more just and

854
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: equitable outcome for our people. And I just want to

855
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: remind our folks that you can count on us for

856
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: this type of advice. Swiss and Tim, if you didn't

857
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: do this with elon, call us up.

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Speaker 5: We got you. But I love this. Thank y'all. That

859
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Speaker 5: was my that was my thing. I just wanted to

860
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Speaker 5: get into it a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Well I like that discussion, and I actually you're joking,

862
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Speaker 7: but I actually do wish Swiss and Tim had called you.

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Speaker 5: I think they should call well all of us. We

864
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Speaker 5: got some ideas for them.

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Speaker 1: Really, like all these folks, who are, you know, trying

866
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: to do the right thing, and I think sometimes personal

867
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: interests get in the way. I'm not even saying that

868
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: they didn't do it, but I think that we probably

869
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: could have sharpened them. Like I'm sharper because I talked

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Speaker 1: to y'all. Y'all just has a great ideas. I didn't

871
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Speaker 1: think about none of that. They should have cast y'all.

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Speaker 4: Me if if help in the community, if our collective

873
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: liberation is their goal. Yeah, And I just think that

874
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: people negotiating power show up with all different sorts of reasons.

875
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: There are reasons. There are certain groups that won't sign

876
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 4: on to certain letters. There are reasons there are public voices. Tiffany,

877
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 4: you didn't hear. I didn't hear. Angela, you didn't hear.

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00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: And it's not because they lost their voice, but rather

879
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: than negotiated it away, there was something that was more

880
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: valuable than their own personal autonomy over their voice. So

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't subscribe to anybody's belief system around

882
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 4: why they do what it is they do and sell

883
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: what they sell and buy what they buy. You got

884
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 4: to share with me what that expressed is and I

885
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: don't have to have judgment about it. You want to

886
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: make all the best money, you can't go do it.

887
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: But if the.

888
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Moral of this story is we are apparently open to

889
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: lots of unique distribution deals, and until then we got

890
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: to figure out some kind of way to pay these bills.

891
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: If you mad at us, tweet us, We'll be back

892
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: to the East, my brother to the East factory.

893
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: We expect to see you. I'm just saying they were

894
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 4: named checked.

895
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 5: I just keep shout no money.

896
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: I am honestly tired of decisions being made on behalf

897
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 4: of us.

898
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 7: They do not benefit us.

899
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 10: One of the things that did strike home close to

900
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 10: close to home is the fact that they increased they

901
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 10: wanted to increase taxes on cancer treatment. Personally, I think

902
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 10: I have had a relative or someone close to me

903
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 10: just and I go through the treatment and it's not cheap.

904
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 7: I don't think there is a specific lead up.

905
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 9: We are doing it scared, we are doing it tired,

906
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 9: but we are doing it forgredless and let me tell

907
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 9: you this will have an impact in the future.

908
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 5: And that's what we're here for this bill.

909
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 7: We can't let it past. We want to reject it

910
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 7: completely and that's where we're here. It's our duty to

911
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 7: protest against the bill.

912
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 5: Kenya is read by poverty. We have no education.

913
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 10: Most of our people have learned, they cannot rive, they

914
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 10: cannot read, and the government still wants to to to

915
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 10: pull away the budget. It's really shocking. To learn that

916
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 10: we are living in a country where youth are losing

917
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 10: their lives for merely exercising their constitutional rights.

918
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 6: What you just heard are the voices of the young

919
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 6: people leading a revolution across the country of Kenya. If

920
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 6: you have paid attention to the news this week, you

921
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 6: may have seen that five young people were shot as

922
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 6: they stormed the parliament, their version of Congress. And I

923
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 6: just wanted to take a quick moment and try to

924
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 6: explain how we got here and what's going on. And

925
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 6: as I do this, I hope that you guys will

926
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 6: note some of the parallels between what's happening in Kenya

927
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 6: and what's happening right here in America. So I want

928
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 6: to start with Kingy's President, William Rudo. He came to

929
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 6: power in twenty twenty two by appealing to the common people.

930
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 6: He even called himself the hustler, and he was vowing

931
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 6: to offer economic ease for people. He called himself the

932
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 6: anti establishment candidate, and he wanted to implement policies to

933
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 6: make sure that there was more money in Kenyon's pocket.

934
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 6: So I want to talk about this election very quickly.

935
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 6: So in twenty twenty two, sixty five percent of Kenya's

936
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 6: twenty two zero point one million registered voters turned up

937
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 6: to cast ballots. What's interesting about Kenya is approximately seventy

938
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 6: five percent of their population is within the range of

939
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 6: eighteen and thirty five years old. That's a pretty big

940
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 6: deal when you look at economic opportunity like global markets,

941
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 6: look at that and say, wow, that's something we want

942
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 6: to tap into. Why that mattered, I remember reading at

943
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 6: the time of this election, that's a pretty significant drop

944
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 6: off in their vote. The drop in numbers for participation

945
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: was blamed on lack of voter education, low interest, but

946
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 6: mainly that the youth did not show up. So when

947
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 6: we say seventy five percent of Kenya's population is young folks,

948
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 6: they account for more than seventy of seventy five percent

949
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 6: of the population. They only comprised about forty percent of

950
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 6: the voting population the people who actually showed up in vote,

951
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 6: so that was about nine million people. Now take us

952
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 6: to what was happening at that time. Kenya's govern needs

953
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 6: to raise money because the country has to function. They

954
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 6: also have to pay two point seven billion dollars or

955
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 6: they need to raise two point seven billion dollars to

956
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 6: pay interest on their national debt. The United States has

957
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 6: the same thing. They're trying to reduce their budget deficit.

958
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 6: We go through this here in the United States, and

959
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 6: of course they want to keep the government running. So

960
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 6: shortly after Ruto the president, is elected, he began an

961
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 6: aggressive campaign that everybody should pay their fair share in taxes.

962
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 6: He took away subsidies, so, you know, people got fuel

963
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: subsidies for gas, he took that away. People got subsidies

964
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 6: for flour, a big.

965
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 7: Deal in Kenya. He took that away.

966
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 6: He signed a finance bill in twenty twenty three that

967
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 6: was unpopular, you know, featured a tax on salaries for housing.

968
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 6: It did pass, but it wasn't popular. Some proposals were

969
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 6: so egregious that Kenya Supreme the version of their Supreme Court,

970
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 6: blocked some of his tax proposals. How did Rudo respond

971
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 6: by a threat to disregard the courts entirely. We've heard

972
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 6: similar rhetoric happening here in the United States. Now, the Parliament,

973
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 6: which again is like their version of Congress. They are

974
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 6: attempting to raise this money to keep the country functioning,

975
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 6: and they're doing this by raising taxes on a range

976
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 6: of daily items and services like internet data. So imagine

977
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 6: tomorrow if America said you're going to be charged every

978
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 6: time those the social media we just talked about, for

979
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 6: all those hours that you spend, for every two and

980
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 6: a half hours you're spending, you're going to start paying

981
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 6: for that. That's what happened in Kenya gas. They raise

982
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 6: taxes on gas. Imagine tomorrow if you can't get from

983
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 6: point A to point B because prices have doubled or tripled.

984
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 6: Bank transfers, diapers, Imagine if you're a mom and you

985
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 6: have kids and the cost has gone up significantly. These

986
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 6: are all things that we're struggling with here in the

987
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 6: United States. I also want to remind you just in May,

988
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 6: we hosted President Rudou here for a state dinner at

989
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 6: the White House. President Biden lawded praise on him. He

990
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 6: was celebrated. Now, all people in Kenya were already struggling

991
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 6: before these tax proposals, So during this state dinner, people

992
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 6: were struggling. How did President Rudo come here to the

993
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 6: United States By chartering a private jets? He a luxury

994
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 6: private jet. Now he could have used the Presidential jet

995
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 6: or Kenya's National Air Carrea. He decided to charter a

996
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 6: private jet and a lot of people are seeing some

997
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 6: of his aggressive stands on a lot of these issues,

998
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 6: very similar to a dictator, that of a dictator. So

999
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 6: this is the state of things that were happening in Kenya.

1000
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 6: And now all those young people who some participated in

1001
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 6: the election, some didn't, but now they've taken to the

1002
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 6: streets because they're frustrated these taxes they have. They see

1003
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 6: no future, they're you know, see no hope. And when

1004
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 6: you have a people who feel that way, of course

1005
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 6: they're going to erupt. So the protests began in Nairobi

1006
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: and quickly spread across the country. Things came to a

1007
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 6: head when a crowd of armed unarmed protesters reached the

1008
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 6: parliament and according to the Washington Post, gun shots could

1009
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 6: be heard from inside the parliament. In the streets, police

1010
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 6: beat protesters and fire tear gas at them. You can

1011
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 6: see some of these images on Al Jazeera English and

1012
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 6: BBC another reputable outlet to make their content available on YouTube.

1013
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 6: So as a result of this, five people lost their lives.

1014
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 6: By the way, in that shooting young people. You may

1015
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 6: have seen the SoundBite President Barack Obama's half sister. President

1016
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 6: Obama is a descendant of Kenya and his half sister

1017
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 6: is a resident of Kenya. She was tear gased live

1018
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 6: on air talking to the amazing reporter Larry Madowo, who's

1019
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 6: a reporter at CNN, and so you can see the

1020
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 6: violence for yourself. Here's where things stand now. President Rudo

1021
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 6: has declined to sign the contentious finance bill that would

1022
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 6: have hiked taxes, and parts of the Parliament building were

1023
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 6: set on fire. The military has been deployed their equivalent

1024
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 6: of a Secretary of defensee. He's ordered army troops to

1025
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 6: support the national police and dealing with the nationwide protests.

1026
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 6: And Rudeau had actually warned that his government is going

1027
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 6: to take a solid stance against these protests.

1028
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 7: What he has violence and anarchy.

1029
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 6: We've also heard messages similar to that, I want you

1030
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 6: guys to take a listen to hear from President Rudo.

1031
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 11: Directly following the passage of the bill, the country witnessed

1032
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 11: widespread expression of dissatisfaction with the bill as passed, regrettably

1033
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 11: resulting in the loss of life, destruction of property, and

1034
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 11: disaggression of constitutional institutions. On my own behalf and on

1035
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 11: behalf of these members and many other canyons. I sent

1036
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 11: my condolences to the families of those who lost their

1037
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 11: loved ones in this very unfortunate manner. Consequently, having reflected

1038
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 11: on the continuing conversation around the content of the Finance

1039
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 11: Bill twenty twenty four, and listening keenly to the people

1040
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 11: of Kenya who have said loudly that they want nothing

1041
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 11: to do with this Finance Bill twenty twenty four, I

1042
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 11: concede and therefore I will not sign the twenty twenty

1043
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 11: four Finance Bill.

1044
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 6: So the reason why I wanted to talk about this

1045
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 6: is because the obvious parallels that exist with our politics

1046
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 6: here in America and the youth led protests that brought

1047
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 6: this president to heal essentially the striking difference in the

1048
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 6: amount of people who voted versus the amount of people

1049
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 6: who protest it. I'm struck by that as well, and

1050
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 6: it just shows that a free people contry the government.

1051
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 6: A government does not control a free people. Kenya is

1052
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 6: not a democracy like ours, but they are a unitary presidential.

1053
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 7: Parlament.

1054
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 6: I believe I could be wrong. I don't want to

1055
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 6: get that wrong. Unitary presidential republic. Their unitary presidential republic,

1056
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 6: which essentially means that laws are passed by the elected

1057
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 6: officials who vote for them, which is kind of similar

1058
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 6: to our government too.

1059
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 7: So it's just a striking thing.

1060
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 6: I think we should talk about what's happening in the

1061
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 6: continent more, and so when this violence erupted in Kenya,

1062
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 6: I thought it was timely to address and just lay

1063
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 6: out what's happening there and see the parallels happening here.

1064
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 6: And will we see something like that happen here with

1065
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: young folks and you know, elected of leaders getting in office,

1066
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 6: adopting very dictator like language. All of those things should

1067
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 6: be scary, and we're seeing a lot of that happen

1068
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 6: across the globe. So we'll keep our eye on Tenyu r.

1069
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: What's that?

1070
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: Were the alude to what we see happen in Kenya,

1071
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: except the people who were demonstrating had a very different,

1072
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 4: I would imagine worldview here in the United States, the

1073
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 4: folks who attacked the capital and disrupted their constitutional ability

1074
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 4: as certification of the next president, those folks intended to

1075
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: arrest power as well. They intended to be a free

1076
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 4: people governing freely over the elected officials in In other words,

1077
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 4: you are my delegate as a representative in Congress, not

1078
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: my trustee, which means a delegate says you do what

1079
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 4: I say do. A trustee is advised to use their

1080
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 4: own wisdom, life skills, and own knowledge to reach a decision.

1081
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 4: But I respect what's happening in Kenya. I respect dissent

1082
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 4: in the United States. What I'm not cool with is

1083
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: the belief that you can arrest a free and democratically

1084
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: election did government because you disagree with a vote or

1085
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: decision they may have made.

1086
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 5: Oh, I.

1087
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: Just I wouldn't compare what's happening with Kenya with the insurrection.

1088
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: The story itself, and the way in which we discussed

1089
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: it and heard it was a direct comparison between democracy

1090
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 4: and actually, oh, I don't.

1091
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 7: I didn't hear that at all.

1092
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: I think that I heard someone who was functioning like

1093
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: a dictator, similar to Trump, who has been forced to

1094
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: deal with what the people actually want. The power of

1095
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: the people is should always to me, should it should

1096
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: always win?

1097
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking about a small minority of folks.

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Speaker 1: I think Tip was saying that the largest demographic in

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Speaker 1: Kenya's young people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and in comparison, half the United States right.

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Speaker 7: Believe you're comparing them to Yeah, that so to me,

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Speaker 7: those are completely different.

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Speaker 4: The issues in which they're standing for and advocating for

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Speaker 4: is not where I take issue. I'm simply saying that

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Speaker 4: the the what is like is people rising up to

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Speaker 4: petition their government.

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Speaker 1: And I think that we can compare them then to

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Speaker 1: the civil rights movement or to Black Lives Matter protests

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Speaker 1: during George Floyd, I.

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Speaker 7: Anyuary sixth wasn't rising up to petition their government.

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Speaker 5: No, that was a they were trying to reject election results.

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Speaker 4: Half the country believe that they were rising up against

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Speaker 4: a corrupt government that fixed them a life.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's a difference between the belief of

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Speaker 1: a false belief system about something and like actually working

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Speaker 1: towards a more just and perfect union.

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Speaker 4: No, but who gets to decide me me right now?

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Speaker 5: Damn it?

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Speaker 4: Nope, No, but half the country believes and something extremely

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Speaker 4: different than I do.

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Speaker 7: But Andrew, but to compare them to like to pro

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Speaker 7: unarmed protesters.

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Speaker 4: I'm not comparing their issues of what they're advocating for.

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Speaker 1: But they're not insurrection, not even the issues exactly. It's

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Speaker 1: not I know you're not comparing the issues, but even

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Speaker 1: what happened there. I think is so dangerous to compare

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Speaker 1: that Toanuary sixth.

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Speaker 4: But what I understood the point to have been, which

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Speaker 4: is the people should govern their government. If that is

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Speaker 4: the thesis, and we can disagree about what manner and measure,

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Speaker 4: But if you begin the conversation with the people and

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: ended with the people, are the people, the majority, the

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Speaker 4: people of free people out to govern their government?

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Speaker 5: The free people ought to the government ought to work

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Speaker 5: on behalf of the people who pay.

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Speaker 4: Sure as trustees and not as delegates.

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Speaker 5: Sure, oh, I know, I think they should be delegates.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the reason why we can call and

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Speaker 5: write our legislators, legislators to let them know what we

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Speaker 5: want them to do.

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Speaker 4: Would they show up at debate?

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Speaker 1: Why would the debate in the conscious Let me just

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Speaker 1: show you how I see this differently. What I think

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00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: is jacked up about Americans politics is that they are

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Speaker 1: delegates to campaign donors and trustees by the people who

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Speaker 1: voted them in and pay them.

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Speaker 5: I think that is problem.

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Speaker 1: I think here we have people who rose up like

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Speaker 1: an air of spring, or like with George Floyd protesters,

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Speaker 1: or like the civil rights movement, or like I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can go on and on and on, or like

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Speaker 1: or like us on on on slave ships, or uprisings

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Speaker 1: like Nat Turner, like those things were just they were right.

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Speaker 1: They might be against the law, but they were right.

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Speaker 1: Some civil unrest is deserved and it is fact based.

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Speaker 1: I am not going to defend and protect ill founded, misinformed,

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Speaker 1: brainwashed people who tried to rebel against the very thing

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Speaker 1: that our ancestors built, and they said they would forever

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Speaker 1: protect the same people who so Trump flags, Confederate flags

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Speaker 1: and American flags like they were synonymous.

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Speaker 4: It could be to me in your opinion, it is

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Speaker 4: not just my opinion.

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Speaker 5: It is based on fact.

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying, who gets to be the arrs.

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Speaker 5: I'm deciding it. I'm if I can read, if I.

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Speaker 4: Can read true, gets to decide what is righteous.

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Speaker 7: And just Andrew, But that is so dangerous.

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Speaker 4: If there's something dangerous about calling out what is the fact, which.

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Speaker 7: Is to me, it is dangerous.

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Speaker 5: But you're not calling out the facts. You're saying that

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Speaker 5: the people who are the insurrectionists are the same as

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Speaker 5: the Kenyans.

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Speaker 6: Right, And you're complating these young people fighting for survival

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Speaker 6: and you're you're comparing them to that we're not.

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Speaker 4: Having the same conversation. We clearly we're not. We're not,

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Speaker 4: and it's okay. It's a matter of misunderstanding and miscommunication.

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Speaker 4: That's why we're not having the same conversation.

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Speaker 1: Can we can we clarify so we're not miscommunicating. I

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Speaker 1: don't want that to happen.

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Speaker 4: This is not a debate about what was righteous and

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Speaker 4: what wasn't righteous in a in an uprising and a

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Speaker 4: protest or a civil rights movement versus January sixth insurrection

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Speaker 4: on the Capitol. Sure so say half the country, And

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Speaker 4: if you.

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Speaker 5: Don't mind clarifying this part, can you please tell me

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Speaker 5: what set of facts.

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Speaker 4: The majority of people believed Plessy versus Ferguson was rightly

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Speaker 4: decided by the United States Supreme Court at the time,

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Speaker 4: welmingly correct. But that's any of these movements are being

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Speaker 4: measured in the moment in which they occur. We are,

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Speaker 4: we're dealing with what is happening at the time. But

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Speaker 4: that's another point.

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Speaker 11: My use.

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Speaker 4: What I would hope I want to try to communicate

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Speaker 4: is is I'm not passing judgment on the righteousness of

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Speaker 4: the of the goal of protests of whatever uprising reaction

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Speaker 4: to government. But if we can all agree that the

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Speaker 4: object of the affection is the government, the folks we

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Speaker 4: are trying to get the attention of to act in

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Speaker 4: our interests and on our behalf is the government. If

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Speaker 4: if that is like in the United States, as it

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Speaker 4: is like in Kenya, that they were were trying to

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Speaker 4: get those in leadership in government to take an action,

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what they what they are asking that

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Speaker 4: government to do is all I'm saying. It causes can

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Speaker 4: be righteous one day and non righteous the next day.

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Speaker 4: And maybe if you're a believer in the arc of

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Speaker 4: history that over time history will write this way, then

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Speaker 4: maybe you have a different motivation. But people rise up

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Speaker 4: every day in different places for all different types of reasons.

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Speaker 4: And I applaud that. I'm simply talking about where the

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Speaker 4: guardrails around it, so that there was an institution left afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you this, Do you ever think there's

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Speaker 1: a time to not protect an institution?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if it's corruptly built.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think that's what's happening here. Yes, ch

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Speaker 1: Chip articulated all of the reasons why this man who's

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Speaker 1: functioning as a dictator has taken actions that are in

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Speaker 1: direct conflict with what the people want, So it sounds

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Speaker 1: like they were uprising against that.

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Speaker 5: I think the concern that I have, and I don't

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Speaker 5: think it was your intention, is the what.

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Speaker 1: Appeared to be a conflation between people who refuse to

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Speaker 1: accept election results went and terrorized people who I worked with,

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Speaker 1: who I know very well. Smeared shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

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Speaker 1: They have been some of them arrested and slapped on

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Speaker 1: the hand and Kenya, they were taken and took on, violently,

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Speaker 1: took on police officers at the capitol. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're meaning to say that these folks, young folks in

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Speaker 1: Kenya protesting are the same as the January sixth folks

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Speaker 1: who were protesting things that were not fact based and

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Speaker 1: actually trying to overturn an election and a democracy.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's what.

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Speaker 4: This conversation was. A debate around the merits of the movement,

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Speaker 4: we'd be having a different conversation. So absolutely, I'm not

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Speaker 4: making the debate for me was never about the merit

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Speaker 4: of what any one I was standing for. There wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be a conversation if it was. If that, for me,

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 4: a question between what's clearly right and what's clearly wrong.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, if everybody is positioning the government to take

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Speaker 4: an act consistent with what they believe, those beliefs very

1243
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 4: wildly amongst amongst different people in different groups. And so

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Speaker 4: all I'm saying is I stand for the ability for

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Speaker 4: people to be able to activate and petition their government

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Speaker 4: not to overthrow, because we're not talking about a value

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Speaker 4: judgment about which motive for acting is better than the

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Speaker 4: other or more righteous than the other. But all I'm

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01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 4: saying is there are guard rails around how far the

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Speaker 4: demands of your government are until you reach the point

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Speaker 4: of quite frankly revolution.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think that we have to remember that

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Speaker 1: even in the comparisons, some of these things are apples

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Speaker 1: and oranges, Because even though we had someone who wanted

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Speaker 1: to function as a dictator in the White House who

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Speaker 1: was leaving at the time of January sixth, there are

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Speaker 1: other countries who are actually under the thumb and the

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Speaker 1: rule of dictatorship. And I think that might be what

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Speaker 1: struck a chord for me and where I might have misunderstood.

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Speaker 1: So my apologies, I suppose, are we.

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Speaker 7: Hop on time or do I have time? To point

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Speaker 7: out another point of contention.

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Speaker 1: I think you should go for it because I think

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Speaker 1: there'll be people who are interested in this.

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Speaker 6: Here's my challenge, Andrew. Because you're saying so, say you

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Speaker 6: when we're saying no, it's not. You know, January sixth,

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Speaker 6: they were wrong. You're saying so, say you have to

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 6: believes right half the country believes them. So I do

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Speaker 6: think I'm understanding what you're saying. My pushback on that,

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Speaker 6: and deep, deep concern about that, is I think there

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Speaker 6: are other folks who echo your sentiment. We see it

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Speaker 6: every day on cable news broadcasts where we are normalizing

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Speaker 6: this behavior, this thought process. So when you say that

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Speaker 6: to me, that sounds as bizarre as saying, oh, this

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Speaker 6: is just like when the Nazis rose up in Germany.

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Speaker 4: Adding a value judgment to it. All I said is

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Speaker 4: is you you identified an issue upon which you agreed

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Speaker 4: for people rising up, And I'm simply acknowledging I didn't

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Speaker 4: mean it, even as a point of contention or debate,

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Speaker 4: that there is another constituency that is diametrically opposed to

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Speaker 4: what it is that we believe, and right now, in

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Speaker 4: a country where unbiased institutions are supposed to be holding

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Speaker 4: us down, keeping us honest to the values and the

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Speaker 4: principles of the country. All those things are right now

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Speaker 4: under tremendous strain. Tremendous strain. And guess what in some

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Speaker 4: cases Isilan cannon Ie down here in Florida over this

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Speaker 4: federal case. The post ain't holding. And so imagine that

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Speaker 4: she's joined by a whole court that starts to allow

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Speaker 4: the group of people who charge the capital on the

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Speaker 4: sixth and believe, completely contrary to what I believe, end

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Speaker 4: up in charge of the goddamn you know, the house,

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Speaker 4: all of it. And in some places we may argue

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Speaker 4: they already are in charge of it, but truly in

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Speaker 4: charge of it, which means which means our Alito and

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Speaker 4: his wife they're direct replicas of the other non eight

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Speaker 4: members of the court outside of themselves, that we have

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Speaker 4: a core of Alito in his wife, and now they

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Speaker 4: are the arbiters of what's good justin right, people who

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Speaker 4: now flew flags in solidarity with January sixth, in that

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Speaker 4: movement sits on the highest court in the land.

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Speaker 7: That has happened throughout American history.

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Speaker 4: Correct. All I'm saying is is all if we're just

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: acknowledging that these institutions exist, that there's a target of

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 4: the of the people's affection or their disaffection, and that's

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Speaker 4: the government. We have to then also believe that that

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Speaker 4: government then becomes the arbiter of what's right, what's true,

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Speaker 4: what's lawful, and what isn't.

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Speaker 5: It's supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: But yes, and that's all I'm saying is so you

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Speaker 4: can have whatever cause you want, whatever cause you're but

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Speaker 4: to what you're attempting to have happened is the government

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Speaker 4: that didn't take action, and your interest and those interests

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Speaker 4: are not the same. That's why they're not.

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Speaker 5: And yeah they're not.

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Speaker 4: January sixth is different than civil rights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sounded like they were January six ers,

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Speaker 1: and they're more civil rights than January six ers.

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Speaker 5: They're literally fighting.

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Speaker 4: If I were comparing the movements, that would be a

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Speaker 4: conclusion that might be drawn. But I'm not comparing the

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Speaker 4: righteousness of the goal of whatever the movement might be.

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Speaker 4: Simply saying who they're trying to get to take action.

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Speaker 5: Right, I'm saying it's a dictator, right, a dictator who?

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Speaker 4: But who who was bought to heal by saying I

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Speaker 4: will not sign this bill in the law.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that if Trump gets

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Speaker 1: back election, if Trump is elected again and there's something

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Speaker 1: crazy that he does, I'm going to be the Kenyan protesters.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And there were moments about that that were made available

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Speaker 4: to us all every day almost of all four years,

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Speaker 4: where we could have been that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I've just said saying I think that that

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Speaker 1: is more akin to the Civil rights movement than the insurrectionists.

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Speaker 5: I think that it is our responsibility to object human right.

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Speaker 4: And if we are debating the righteousness and the merits

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Speaker 4: of a movement, we can go into that. I didn't

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Speaker 4: think that was what we were doing, because it doesn't

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Speaker 4: sound like there would be much of a debate if

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Speaker 4: it were our January sixth people and their movements righteous

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Speaker 4: and right and legual.

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Well on this, because we are clearly in protest land.

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Speaker 1: We have a question about protests, or at least a suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Hig native land. This is Valorie Dixon from Santa Ana, California.

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Speaker 2: Last week you asked for suggestions for aspective strategy text

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Speaker 2: plus our displeasure, but the Biden administration's role in the

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Speaker 2: Israeli Palestinian conflict. Andrew suggested protesting at the Democratic National Convention.

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Speaker 2: I have an alternative. I say that protest is an

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: ineffective strategy. The only thing protesting that the DNC will

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Speaker 2: accomplish is to ensure that every police officer in the

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Speaker 2: Greater Chicago Land area receives overtime pay. I say during

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Speaker 2: the DNC, we should express our displeasure by boycotting, don't watch,

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 2: don't spend any money during that time, and if we

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Speaker 2: do have to spend money, circulate those dollars within our

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Speaker 2: own communities. Remember, during the Civil Rights era, the first

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Speaker 2: effective protest was an economic one, the Montgomery bus boycott.

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Speaker 2: Let's channel that thank you be blessed.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 4: I love that thought.

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Speaker 7: And she looks so fly y'all can't see her. She

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01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 7: looks flat. She does look so flat.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, this show has been epic

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01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: on all of the gray areas. And she was, like

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Speaker 1: Andrewson protests.

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Speaker 7: I wisht plan that.

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Speaker 1: Andrew the charge delegate trustee protester, what do you what

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Speaker 1: do you say about this question here?

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Speaker 4: About I love it, I love it. I mean, they're

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Speaker 4: all do you want to.

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Speaker 5: Boycott the DNC. Our friend Mignon Moore is chairing the DNC.

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't say that, that's what I was personally

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Speaker 4: going to do. What I was saying was there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of ways in which we can show a

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Speaker 4: protest vote. Yeah, and November, ain't it. Let's let's think

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 4: of all the alternatives before we get there to show

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Speaker 4: our displeasure.

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Speaker 1: I said.

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Speaker 4: So I'm with her economic go for.

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Speaker 1: She's talking about, uh, boycotting the DNC, not watching to

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Speaker 1: express displeasure.

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Speaker 5: Tive, what say you on this?

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Speaker 7: I think that's a great idea.

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Speaker 6: Actually, we were just talking about why don't we support

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01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 6: like black owned platforms, and you know, it's like, why

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 6: don't we collectively move and not tune into these things?

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Speaker 6: Not nonsense like I always say, spend our dollars within

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Speaker 6: the community.

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Speaker 7: I love this idea.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know what our plans are around

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Speaker 6: the DNC, but I support tuning it out. But the

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Speaker 6: honest is a Landam Lampard is at the DNC, then

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Speaker 6: people can they can still tune in the native land.

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Speaker 7: That doesn't mean they have the wise gabbl to gavel

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Speaker 7: coverage of the DNC.

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Speaker 1: Are you all worried about any backlash if the viewership

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01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: is down for the DNC and it's up for the

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Speaker 1: rn C, what that might mean from now or turn

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: out in November.

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Speaker 6: The only reason I say no is because Fox News

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01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 6: continues to lap both MSNBC and CNN in terms of viewership.

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 6: They're even right wing conservative podcast and talk radio they

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01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 6: do very well because they like their ignorant echo chamber.

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 6: I think the left side of things, it's a bigger tent,

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01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 6: and so there's more appeal to talk about different things.

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01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 6: So I don't think that impacts anything at all. I

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 6: also think there's a thousand things screaming for our attention.

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Speaker 6: The DNC is happening in August. It's the vacation month

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01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 6: where people are pretty much gone out of town at

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 6: the beach chilling. I don't know too many people who

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01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 6: were waking up like waiting to see that gabble strike

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 6: so they can see the speeches. The last time I

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Speaker 6: remember being excited about the DNC two thousand and four

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 6: was in Boston when President Obamas was the first time

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Speaker 6: we heard him on a big national stage. Reveen now

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Speaker 6: Sharden gave one of the best speeches that year.

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Speaker 4: Too.

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01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 6: Unfortunately it was overshadowed because Obama spoke. But that was

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01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 6: the year where it was like this is major. And

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 6: then when Obama was leaving office in twenty twelve, yeah,

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. In twenty sixteen, it was so packed at

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 6: the DNC in Philadelphia. I abandoned even listening to President

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Speaker 6: Obama's final speech because I couldn't even get into suite,

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01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 6: that's how packed it was. Me and the Uber driver

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01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 6: left and I was so hungry, and I was like,

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 6: do you mind you want to get something to eat?

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 6: And he was like yeah, And we literally pulled over

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 6: at this Philly cheese steak spot and he turned the

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01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 6: radio all the way up and a group of us

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 6: sat there listen to Obama talk.

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Speaker 7: After that, I just felt like the whole thing was boring.

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 5: Well, what do you think?

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01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: I just think that we have had a very long show,

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01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: and I would like to encourage you all to find

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: some of the young rising superstars in the Democratic Party

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: that will be on that stage at least in the evening.

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: I anticipate that Wes Moore will be on that stage,

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: the Jasmine Crockett will be on that stage, the Faith

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: Leaders will be on that stage, and I want to

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: be showing because if she doesn't have a good showing,

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01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, as a black woman chair of the DNC,

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: that could be problematic. But I also want you all

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: to follow your conscience. Andrew wants you to go back.

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01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 4: Well, no, I just want to say I was not

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01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 4: advocating anybody protests.

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01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 5: Don't watch you said, just don't protest your vote.

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, my point. There are a lot of ways to

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01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: show your displeasure. There's a lot of ways to sit

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01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 4: in the signal before your first and last choice being

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01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 4: I ain't vote November. That's right.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 6: Can I ask a quick question, Angela, you're saying you

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01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 6: want Mignon to have a good showing Minyon More, who's

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01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 6: sharing the dancy the convention this year, Does a good

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 6: showing mean good ratings?

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01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 5: I think so. I think I think she needs a

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01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 5: good turnout.

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01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: I think they need to figure there's gonna be protests

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01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: in Chicago, so I think they need to have a

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: good pivot plan for how they address that. I know

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: that she's trying to ensure that there's general people represented,

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01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: multi generationally, that the platform is diverse and includes all

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01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: the big tenth that you just talked about TIF, so yeah,

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: going in a cause to action, I think my call

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: to action would be that we figure out how to

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01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: have the conversations amongst us to make us uncomfortable. Our

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01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: podcast ran long today because we had some of those.

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01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: Thank God, we know each other for twenty years, so

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Speaker 1: I know today was not Andrew's breaking news. He's about

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01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: to join Fox News as a contributor. He actually does

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01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: not want to join the next insurrection in kse Scheller

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01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: planning one. But sometimes it just we have to have

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: tough conversations to figure out what people's actual intent are,

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01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: and we have words and phrases that bump us. So

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01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: in conflict, try to figure out a way to get

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01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: to peace, not by soothing over the actual conflict, but

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: by talking to each other like you love each other.

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 5: That's my call to action.

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01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: Can do it?

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 5: I like it.

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01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 4: I would call to action for those who do plan

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 4: on watching the DNC and it's week of activity, and

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01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 4: it may be some entertaining nights of television that everywhere

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01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 4: anywhere in this country where you have the opportunity to

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 4: help use that time to organize and last minute register

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01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,799
Speaker 4: and figure out how we move in friends, family members,

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 4: and others to the polls. You know, everybody reflects on

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01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 4: the civil rights movement, but only what five percent of

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01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 4: black folks in this country actually actively took a step

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 4: in action to participate in retrospect. We all, you know, righteous,

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01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 4: and then in the moment, friends are really fleeting. So

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 4: I would just hope that if you think like I think,

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01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 4: that this is the consequence of this election can be dangerous,

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01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 4: not just for our country, but coming down my block,

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 4: my driveway, into my garage, that level of problem that

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 4: we don't have to guess about it and ask other

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01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 4: people about it, you will feel it in your own

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 4: home and your own family. And if that doesn't motivate

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 4: you to take an action, if I saw a threat

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 4: that I could get involved with then possibly prevent coming

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01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 4: at my family, my house, my folks, absolutely there was

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 4: another thing in the world that would stop me from

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01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 4: an intervention. So what's your intervention?

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01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I'll be really quick because we're about to

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 7: lose the videographers.

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01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 6: I mind has nothing to do with politics. I just

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01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 6: want to say I was in New York and these

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 6: people kept walking these dogs past me. Everybody knows I

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 6: love dogs, And then I realized they were the same

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 6: people walking different dogs. And they told me they volunteered

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01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 6: at a shelter, that they just show up these animal

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 6: shelters and take the dogs out for walks. So, if

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 6: you are able, find the local animal shelter in your

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 6: neighborhood and show up, volunteer, take the dogs out for

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 6: a walk, give them some love, and adopt.

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01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: Don't shop, all right, well, adopt, don't shop. Protest if

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01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: you want to. And I don't even remember my call

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: to action.

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01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 5: Oh love on your people. Talk to them right and

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 5: you're comfortable.

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: Conversations uncomfortable, No nonsense though, no none nonsens.

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01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 5: Okay, Andrew and tiff thank you for Native Lampod. Look

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01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 5: at me. Thank you for Native Lampod. Thank you for

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 5: this safe space. I love y'all.

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Speaker 4: Deep Okay.

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Speaker 1: Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone

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01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native Lampod.

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01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,120
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Speaker 5: There are one hundred and thirty one days until election day.

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