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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is They.

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Speaker 4: Called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super

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Speaker 4: to Monday, January twentieth, twenty twenty five. Happy Mlkday, guys.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, yeah, go back and listen to the MLK tapes

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Speaker 3: It's a podcast, top notch pod.

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Speaker 4: And check out our earlier epies on this show for

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Speaker 4: co intelpro and several Civil rights era related conspiracies. We've

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Speaker 4: got a pretty deep catalog there. There's so many things ongoing,

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Speaker 4: things happening in the world today. The president of South

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Speaker 4: Korea they mentioned earlier, we talked a bit about, just

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Speaker 4: got arrested in an incredibly high stakes operation. He has

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Speaker 4: forces of South Korea. We're going to talk about wildfires,

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Speaker 4: a breakthrough in the Jack the Ripper case, Pizzagate, a

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Speaker 4: little bit of nuclear material trafficking. Before we do any

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Speaker 4: of that, we're talking a little bit off air. Guys

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Speaker 4: excited to share this story because it pertains to some

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Speaker 4: discussions we had had in the past. The government of

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Speaker 4: the United Kingdom has officially warned people that sex toys

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Speaker 4: are tempting target for hackers and can't be potentially weaponized.

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Speaker 4: Remember we were talking about all technology is smart and

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Speaker 4: if it's cloud connected, you can get to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 5: There's an app for that to control your dolphin or

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Speaker 5: your rabbit.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever the hell they're called.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely seems rifer meddling.

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Speaker 2: Well, and there was a there was a small section

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Speaker 2: in a story we covered recently about a plane crash

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Speaker 2: where it was possibly personal massagers in quotations that may

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Speaker 2: have been the culprit.

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Speaker 4: Right that were weaponized to explode in that way.

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Speaker 2: Are we saying people could explode sex toys.

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Speaker 4: It would be possible, but it'd be very difficult. You'd

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Speaker 4: have to do a masade pager type thing for that.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: That makes me think of that case where it turned

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Speaker 5: out that you can't just hack something and make it

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Speaker 5: explode without introducing some fissile material.

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Speaker 4: Right, fiscile material. You nailed it. But what this is,

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Speaker 4: this is more a vector or a beachhead for creating

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Speaker 4: a larger hack. Because these Internet of Things devices are

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Speaker 4: connected through Bluetooth or through Wi Fi, and if they're

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Speaker 4: running Linux, the idea is you can get your hooks

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Speaker 4: into one device, then you can pivot to other devices

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Speaker 3: So it's like a backdoor.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, gosh, yes, very much. A couple levels well

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Speaker 4: died direinal. There's a story by the Thar Tribune. The

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Speaker 4: journalist here is per Thomish Cabra, who talks about this warning.

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Speaker 4: So we're not here to yuck anybody's yum. You know,

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Speaker 4: as long as you're not hurting other people, do as

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Speaker 4: though wilt, but you know, do be aware. It's it's strange,

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Speaker 4: maybe it's maybe it's the old age kicking in, but

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Speaker 4: do you guys, when you're given the choice between one

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Speaker 5: I don't think I need that technology and my fridge

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Speaker 5: per se, but I'm not opposed to it. I really

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Speaker 5: like my smart speaker system for example, like Sono's. It's

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Speaker 3: But there's some stuff that it just feels like inappropriate.

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Speaker 5: Although I will say I do have a Bluetooth toothbrush,

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Speaker 5: I didn't really want it, but there it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably don't want them in my stuff. Do you, ben,

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Speaker 2: Do you use anything that like connects your devices together

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Speaker 4: No, I don't enjoy it. Have some without giving too

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Speaker 4: many details, right, have have some things that are required

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Speaker 4: the most recent example, this may be funny for some

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Speaker 4: I don't need an update. Like hey, you know, for

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Speaker 4: some people who are very concerned about, you know, a

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Speaker 4: But as our old pal connall BRN was wont to say,

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Speaker 4: it solves a problem I don't have.

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Speaker 3: And often creates new ones.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like a lot of times cloud connected stuff

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Speaker 5: And sometimes I can take a man.

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Speaker 3: It's like I always wanted to brush my teeth.

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Speaker 4: So be aware, folks that a lot of those devices,

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Speaker 4: whatever their use may be, their use case may be

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Speaker 4: a lot of them that have Bluetooth or Wi Fi

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Speaker 3: Not have encryption. Like you couldn't even do it if

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Speaker 5: I mean, Bluetooth in particular is notoriously vulnerable to these

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Speaker 4: Hacks and to the note about including fissile material. According

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Speaker 4: Innovation and Technology or DECENT there is physical harm on

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Speaker 4: don't to get too specific here, I think of something

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Speaker 4: like a chastity belt. What if you locked it and

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Speaker 4: then engage in ransomware tactics. Buddy, if you want this

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Speaker 4: thing off, give us that bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Ar Wait, are there cloud connected chastity belts?

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Speaker 3: I mean that is a case that can It certainly

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Speaker 4: I'm thankfully never going to experience that firsthand, but it's

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Speaker 4: a wide world out there, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: No ding ding without the wedding ring. Sorry, Okay, continue.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen a cloud connected jassity bell, but I

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna google that.

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Speaker 4: There's a Vice article related to this, and we'll we'll

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Speaker 4: move on to more strange news. But it was fascinating

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Speaker 4: cellmate connected chastity belt said hackers were taking over their

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's.

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Speaker 4: That's a different case.

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Speaker 2: Imagine trying and explain that to your local police department

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Speaker 5: Uh So, On the flip side of that, there have

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Speaker 5: been for many years websites that have this kind of

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Speaker 3: Sure vibras by design.

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Speaker 5: You can pay a token or whatever and then it'll

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Speaker 4: So what we're saying there, without sounding like a bunch

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Speaker 4: I say, we just give them the money in the next,

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Speaker 4: you know, forty minutes, please, So everybody be safe out there,

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Speaker 4: have fun, have adventures. We're going to pause for a

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Speaker 4: As we record it is January fifteenth. This is publishing

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Speaker 4: on the twentieth, so this may not be up to date,

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Speaker 4: but we, like the rest of the United States and

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Speaker 4: indeed the world, witnessed the heartbreaking situation as wildfires ran

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Speaker 4: through California. As we're recording now, California continues to battle

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Speaker 4: We have personally, without going public with our friends information,

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Speaker 4: And in the wake of this, or as this is continuing,

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Speaker 4: I think if we consider the next couple minutes a

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Speaker 4: should or can own water. Tip of the hat to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's start there. The Resnick family is Stuart

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Speaker 4: and Linda Resnik. They bought the Franklin Mint back in

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Speaker 4: well citrus, treat seedless lemons, Justin Wines, Landmark Wines, another

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Speaker 4: As as the municipalities and the communities of California were

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Speaker 4: searching for water to fight the fires. This great dare

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Speaker 4: we call it a conspiracy of billionaire's ConTroll? A watcher

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Speaker 5: Is there to say other than it just doesn't seem

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Resnik is the wealthiest farmer in the United States

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Speaker 4: technically now, He's to be clear, I don't think he's

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Speaker 4: think he has people for that. They own also a

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Speaker 5: It just seems like with situations like this, given catash

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Speaker 5: It just seems like there is just no ethics, there's

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Speaker 4: Right now. The doc in California says everybody fighting those

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and logistics are always credibly fragile. Their mission critical,

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Speaker 5: Could we touch on that a little bit, Ben, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the brutal honesty of the internet it this way.

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Speaker 5: It sure freaking feels like sure. It's a big question

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know there are circumstances where they do

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Speaker 5: right by people. I was actually shocked at how little

438
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Speaker 5: nickel and diming I felt from the people that I

439
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 5: was working with. I was kind of blown away because

440
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Speaker 5: all of our coverage on the show about the industry,

441
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 5: I was really expecting the worst. So, I mean, it

442
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Speaker 5: is a bigger question, like we also, I think it's

443
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Speaker 5: worth exploring maybe in an update episode who Ensures Insurance Companies?

444
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Speaker 5: There's a whole other industry called reinsurance companies that I

445
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Speaker 5: think would be worth exploring, because it kind of boggles

446
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Speaker 5: my mind these levels of betting on disasters, and once

447
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: the disasters increase to a certain magnitude, how can you

448
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Speaker 5: keep making those bets? You're going to have to make

449
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Speaker 5: some of those calculations for certain parts of the world,

450
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Speaker 5: certain parts of the country.

451
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Speaker 4: If you want people to live in a place, you

452
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Speaker 4: have to make it possible for them to do so,

453
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Speaker 4: that's the easiest way to put it. There's so much

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Speaker 4: we haven't gotten to. The allegations of arson right, the

455
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Speaker 4: old ah god, the old sawhorse, of claiming people are

456
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Speaker 4: looting when they're just running with the few things they

457
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Speaker 4: could grab before their houses burned. Be very, very skeptical

458
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Speaker 4: of a lot of the social media stuff you're seeing,

459
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Speaker 4: and please, please, I'm begging you folks, exercise critical thinking.

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Speaker 2: I saw one video of David Spade in his car

461
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Speaker 2: and he had just witnessed somebody get arrested for arson,

462
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Speaker 2: like the local authorities caught the person attempting to start

463
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Speaker 2: a fire in a residential area, and it seemed to

464
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Speaker 2: really he seemed very disturbed, and he offered five thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars to anybody who could, you know, identify an arsonist

466
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Speaker 2: out there in certain parts of the city at the time,

467
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Speaker 2: which is really I don't know it. It was shocking

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Speaker 2: to me just to see this person that we've seen

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Speaker 2: on television offering money. You know, to get somebody somebody

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Speaker 2: else arrested, but he had just witnessed it happen.

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Speaker 5: He did witness because Ben, are you saying that there

472
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Speaker 5: have been maybe false reports of this kind of thing

473
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Speaker 5: to demonize certain communities, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: For the looting, yes, uh, for the leading, I'm yeah

475
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Speaker 4: for arson perhaps because again a lot of the posts

476
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Speaker 4: that you might see could be performative. That doesn't mean

477
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: the real crimes are not occurring, just means we have

478
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Speaker 4: to be very careful about the possible agenda or the

479
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Speaker 4: framing of those things. And there's there's so much the

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Speaker 4: potential lynch mob of it, all right, and we have

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Speaker 4: to remember, of course opportunists love chaos, so there is

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Speaker 4: there may well be people who always wanted to burn

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Speaker 4: something or have always wanted to loot a building, and

484
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Speaker 4: they were simply waiting for the right time when the

485
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Speaker 4: rule of law broke down. There's so much else that

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Speaker 4: we're we're not going to be able to get to

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Speaker 4: will probably we'll probably follow up with an episode as

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Speaker 4: as people learn more objective facts. The main thing is

489
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Speaker 4: if you want to help, it is possible for you

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Speaker 4: to do so right to the best of your abilities.

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Speaker 4: We know that these kinds of disasters seem set inevitably

492
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Speaker 4: to continue in the coming year, so please stay safe

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Speaker 4: out there. Folks, write to us with your first hand

494
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: accounts to the degree that you are comfortable sharing your story,

495
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: and let us know what other allegations you see in

496
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Speaker 4: the wake of the California fires. For now, we're gonna

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Speaker 4: pause for word from our sponsors and we'll return with

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Speaker 4: more strange news.

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Speaker 5: And we've returned, guys, I've got two stories. I think

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Speaker 5: I'll just lead with a quick update. You mentioned some

501
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Speaker 5: developments in the Pizzagate scandal of some years ago. I

502
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Speaker 5: don't think we need to relitigate pizza Gate Herezza.

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Speaker 3: Not needed.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot's been made of that, and then

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Speaker 5: this is maybe the time or place for it. But

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Speaker 5: I do think it is important to note that the gunman, Uh,

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Speaker 5: the individual who drove from his home in uh North

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Speaker 5: Carolina to that Comet pizzeria in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: Place where a lot.

510
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Speaker 5: Of lawmakers and lawyers would come for lunch, shot the

511
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Speaker 5: place up because of concerns of a demonic cabal being

512
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Speaker 5: housed in the basement of the place, which I believe

513
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Speaker 5: it was determined that the place didn't even have a basement. Noah,

514
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Speaker 5: with an assault rifle, mind you, during a routine traffic stop,

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Speaker 5: it would seem in North Carolina. In Cannopolis, North Carolina,

516
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Speaker 5: Edgar Madison Welch, who was a passenger in the vehicle

517
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Speaker 5: that was stopped just a few days ago Saturday, as

518
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Speaker 5: we were this on Wednesday, was shot and killed because

519
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Speaker 5: he when faced with this traffic stop, he pulled a

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Speaker 5: weapon out and pointed it at officers. He was taken

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Speaker 5: to a hospital by emergency responders, and he died from

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Speaker 5: his injuries a couple of days later. None of the

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Speaker 5: officers or the driver were injured. So kind of a

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Speaker 5: tragic end to a tragic story, because you know, a

525
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Speaker 5: lot of To me, at least, what I remember about

526
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Speaker 5: Pizzagate was that was kind of in the height of

527
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Speaker 5: sort of pre QAnon, kind of just Internet insanity of

528
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 5: a lot of these incredibly speculative and increasingly wild conspiracy

529
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 5: theories that were just flowing around were beginning to see

530
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Speaker 5: some action taken, you know. So yeah, this was not

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Speaker 5: this was pre QAnon, but it had the flavor of

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Speaker 5: what that would become.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Pizzagate occurred during an incredibly sensitive time in the

534
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Speaker 4: United States the twenty sixteen election cycle, and as as

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Speaker 4: you noted, NOLA was the belief that NYPD and some

536
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: other forces had discovered a child abuse ring that was

537
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Speaker 4: linked to the Democratic Party, and a lot of this,

538
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Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say was was red meat

539
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Speaker 4: for people who were opposed to the Democratic Party's presidential

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Speaker 4: candidate at the time, former Sex State Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the emails, It was the email leak, which then

542
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 2: spawned a lot of the q andon stuff.

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Speaker 5: So like all because of keywords, right, like pizza, CP jeez,

544
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Speaker 5: pizza or the other abbreviation, which is what they what

545
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Speaker 5: they thought.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys see what I'm getting at?

547
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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 5: Doesn't this feel like an early example of what would

549
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 5: kind of spin out of control even further during COVID

550
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Speaker 5: with the q andon type of stuff. It just seems

551
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Speaker 5: like that same kind of red meat.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the building blocks for that, like one

553
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: of the primary foundational things.

554
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 4: If q andon is a cake, then you could say

555
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: pizzagate is the flower. It's a key ingredient in the

556
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Speaker 4: recipe and QAnon, as everybody knows, please check out our

557
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: pal Jake Hanrahan's excellent work on this. QAnon Q clearance

558
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Speaker 4: I believe was the name out. Yeah yeah, and QAnon

559
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 4: itself really really gets its gas together around twenty seventeen.

560
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Speaker 4: So these things happen very close, they are interrelated, and

561
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Speaker 4: you know, there's it's such a danger. It's so easy

562
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Speaker 4: for someone to be pushed over the edge, just one

563
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: little nudge at a time. And I think Pizzagate was

564
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 4: an example of this that really really let the public

565
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Speaker 4: know about just how insidious these radicalization practices can be.

566
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Speaker 5: How mainstream they can become, and how like I mean,

567
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Speaker 5: I believe Jake Hanrahan used the term wine mums referring

568
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: to like folks who are just kind of locked in,

569
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Speaker 5: you know, during lock in and just looking for something

570
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Speaker 5: to do. And we're just so susceptible to this kind

571
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Speaker 5: of radicalization, if only out of a sense of boredom.

572
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and it's a hack of human psychology. We

573
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: talked about this at linked in previous episodes. But basically,

574
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 4: if you already don't like someone, then you are going

575
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Speaker 4: you're going to be strongly biased toward things that seem

576
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 4: like bad news about them, and it'll be strongly biased

577
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: away from good things. About them. Like if you have

578
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: a beef with someone, even just in your personal life

579
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Speaker 4: or as a public figure, and you hear they did

580
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 4: something good, then part of your brain is going to say, ah,

581
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Speaker 4: caveat though someone else did it right right.

582
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Speaker 3: Or they did it for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 5: They did it as a self aggrandizing thing, or as

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Speaker 5: a way, you know what I mean, Like it was

585
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Speaker 5: deceptive in something.

586
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, like anything to stop them from anything that does

587
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: that keeps your image of them as a bad person

588
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: is what what your brain will find, maybe without your

589
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: conscious assent, but it's There was a line by h.

590
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Speaker 4: Louis c k before before all those things came out

591
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Speaker 4: about him, where he said, you know what, if you

592
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 4: don't like someone, you're just gonna find reasons not to

593
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: like him. If you hate someone and you see them

594
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: enjoying a sandwich, you'll think, look at this eating his sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Who does he think he is? What a horrible person?

596
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Speaker 4: So I think, so big, so big with your BLT foot,

597
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: with your five dollar foot loss BLT.

598
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: Sadly watching the British bake off by yourself.

599
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Speaker 3: With sob we'll get out of my house.

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Speaker 5: That uh huh?

601
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Speaker 3: I love They're my friends. They're my parasocial friends.

602
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: I love iron Chef. I think that that fits the

603
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Speaker 4: deed for me. And I've caught myself eating you know,

604
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Speaker 4: a denty more canned beef stew watching watching I love

605
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Speaker 4: denty war watching some ornate uh, some ornate poetry in

606
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Speaker 4: seafood and and just like sitting there eating out of

607
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 4: a can like the punisher going dumb ass doesn't know

608
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Speaker 4: how to caramelize.

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Speaker 5: Hot hot hot hot take ben though, uh chef boy

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Speaker 5: r d versus denty moore.

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Speaker 4: Go denty boar okay or sugar content?

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Speaker 3: Oh good, good, good to hear, Matt, you have.

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Speaker 2: A pro must concur okay.

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Speaker 5: I haven't eaten either in a hot minute, but I

615
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 5: do like chunky soup from Camels.

616
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Speaker 3: It's good quality can and.

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Speaker 4: Good on their pr for pulling off chunky product name. Finally,

618
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Speaker 4: like what other what other thing? A soup is such

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Speaker 4: a weird thing too, We're gonna let's do a ridic history.

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Speaker 2: How else are you going to get of your sodium

621
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Speaker 2: intake drink Campbell soup, Yes, a salt let?

622
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Speaker 4: Perhaps one of their lines was Another of their pr

623
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Speaker 4: lines I used to study these guys methods was soup

624
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 4: so thick you can eat it with a fork, which

625
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: is so unappealing.

626
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Speaker 3: Oh that's like beer so good you can drink it

627
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Speaker 3: with your mouth.

628
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Speaker 4: Shout out to Miller Lite. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Indeed.

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Speaker 5: Have you guys seen the Campbell Chunky soup ads featuring

631
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Speaker 5: Travis Kelsey of Taylor Swift. I think I saw their

632
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Speaker 5: new tagline, is it eats like a meal?

633
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Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe maybe there's like maybe the person writing

634
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Speaker 4: this is not a native speaker. But the other thing that.

635
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Speaker 3: It's not a meal. It's like a meal. It eats

636
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Speaker 3: like a meal.

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00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't believe it's not. Butter is a very Also,

638
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Speaker 4: you gotta eat, Yes, bring up you gotta eat all

639
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Speaker 4: the time. I think that's a very honest tagl Like

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Speaker 4: one last thing I know, got to get to this

641
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Speaker 4: other story, you know, one last thing that I don't

642
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Speaker 4: know if they still print it on the back of

643
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: these Campbell soup containers or tens. But their marketing also

644
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: snuck into their instructions and they wanted people to feel

645
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Speaker 4: like they got more soup. So if you back in

646
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: the day, if you looked at the heating instructions, they

647
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: would say, all right, open the can and put it

648
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Speaker 4: in one large bowl or two serving bowls. And that

649
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Speaker 4: was just like their slick little wave of saying, hey,

650
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Speaker 4: you're actually buying two meals of soup.

651
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's reflected on the serving size. Probably.

652
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Speaker 4: Oh well, come on, man, no one pays attention to

653
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Speaker 4: the serving size.

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Speaker 2: I do, guys.

655
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Speaker 5: I've been calorie counting these days, and I very much

656
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Speaker 5: can I scan it into my little app Well, it's

657
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Speaker 5: been good for me. But the last thing that's unrelated.

658
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry I have to bring it up. It's sort

659
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Speaker 5: of tangentcy. But did they really used to put the

660
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Speaker 5: photos of missing children on milk cartons?

661
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Speaker 4: Yes?

662
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Speaker 3: Is that that's true?

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Speaker 4: That's true. Okay, that's true. And found few of them too, thankfully,

664
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Speaker 4: good job, Good on you, big milk. Well, we'll move

665
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Speaker 4: on really quickly, guys.

666
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Speaker 5: I didn't think that was going to yield as much

667
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: conversation as it did, but I guess I should have known.

668
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 5: I mean, we haven't talked about pizzagate in a minute.

669
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Speaker 5: I hope the listeners do appreciate the refresher there, guys.

670
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Speaker 5: But let's move for the second story to London Town

671
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: in mary Old, England. The United Kingdom, some updates to

672
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: the classic serial killer case. I guess, in many ways

673
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: kind of the prototype for the modern serial killer. If

674
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there are other cases surrounded.

675
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: But this was in eighteen eighty eighth.

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Speaker 4: I have heard this news. No, I'm really this is.

677
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Speaker 3: Cool, this is interesting.

678
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Speaker 5: In eighteen eighty eight, in the Whitechapel district of London,

679
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 5: a murderer, a mad killer, was on a spree, murdering

680
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: at least five women. He went unidentified in a case

681
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: that has remained unsolved for one hundred and thirty years,

682
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 5: but now descendant of the victims of Jack the Ripper

683
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 5: sorry bearing the lead. There are calling for a new

684
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 5: in quest reopening of the one hundred year old case,

685
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: hundred year plus old case due to new evidence that

686
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 5: has come to light in the form of a bloodstained

687
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 5: shawl that was shown to contain the DNA of someone

688
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: who was once a suspect for these Jack the Ripper killings.

689
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Speaker 5: A Polish barber by the name of Aaron Kosminsky who

690
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: was a suspect at the time. Guys, do you remember

691
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Speaker 5: if he was? Because I know that the Alan Moore

692
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 5: incredible Alan Moore a very deep dive into the story.

693
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: From Hell kind of took a very similar approach to

694
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 5: like Zodiac, the David Fincher film, where it's like, you

695
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 5: really do kind of get a sense that the crime

696
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: was almost solved, but then things sort of went awry,

697
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 5: or people died or the wrong people didn't come forward.

698
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Speaker 5: Is kaus Minsky mentioned from Hell.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, I can't remember I read it.

700
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Speaker 5: I would as well, and I need too, because it's

701
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: an incredible work. It's incredibly grizzly. The film is okay,

702
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 5: but the graphic novel, in its very stark, kind of

703
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 5: almost pencil style, kind of almost scrawled, is really arresting,

704
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 5: and it's quite long and really goes into some very

705
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 5: deep details about this historical murder case. I wouldn't be

706
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: surprised if he was, but he was, in fact an

707
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 5: actual facts as Lauren bogmamould say, suspect at the time.

708
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 5: He was never arrested because police didn't have any hard

709
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Speaker 5: evidence linking into the Achilles.

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Speaker 3: Of course, in eighteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 5: DNA was absolutely not a thing, and they didn't even

712
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 5: have any circumstantial evidence. It would seem to tie Kuzminski

713
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Speaker 5: to these horrific murders.

714
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Speaker 4: But didn't he get locked away in an asylum like after?

715
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Speaker 5: I don't have those details in this piece from the Telegraph,

716
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: but it's entirely possible. I think the most important takeaway

717
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 5: here is that this shawl, which is said to have

718
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 5: been found on the box body of the victim, Katherine Edwards,

719
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 5: the fourth victim to be precise, has been found to

720
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Speaker 5: contain both her DNA and that of Kosminski. It was

721
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 5: recently purchased at an auction by Russell Edwards, who is

722
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 5: a Jack the Ripper enthusiast and author and researcher. Sorry,

723
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 5: I don't mean to be dismissed. He was more than

724
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: an enthusiast, He was a researcher and writer on the subject.

725
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: He said, justice can be served by finally naming the killer,

726
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 5: even though this case is you know, everyone involved directly

727
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 5: is long since past. He In fact, the purchaser, Russell Edwards,

728
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 5: has hired a legal team to try to secure another

729
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 5: inquest Karen Miller, who is fifty three years old today

730
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 5: and is the three times great granddaughter of the victim

731
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Speaker 5: in question. Here, edoes I may have said Edwards because

732
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: we were also talking about Russell Edwards. I may have misspoke,

733
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Speaker 5: but Catherine Edoes was the name of the victim whose

734
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 5: shawl was sold at auction and found to contain the

735
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Speaker 5: DNA of Kosminsky. She provided her DNA, which was a

736
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Speaker 5: match to the sample that was found on the shawl,

737
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: and she told the Daily Mail the name Jack the

738
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 5: Ripper has become sensationalized. It has gone down in history

739
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: as this famous character. It's been all about him, but

740
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 5: people have forgotten about the victims did not have justice

741
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 5: at the time. And you know, guys, I would argue

742
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 5: that that's absolutely true. You know, there is like a

743
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 5: certain glorification of this figure of Jack the Ripper, you know,

744
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: especially in like true crime enthusiast circles.

745
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 3: So to take away.

746
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: That sober quet, maybe I'm using that wrong, might be powerful,

747
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 5: might have power, so to give you know, I would

748
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 5: say that Aaron Kosminsky is a lot less sexy sounding

749
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 5: than Jack the Ripper. So I could see this doing

750
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 5: some good legacy wise, But it also seems like with

751
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 5: a case this old, maybe this isn't the best way

752
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 5: of spending public money.

753
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 4: It may you know, even even when justice grinds incredibly slow.

754
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: I would argue it is philosophically and ideologically important for

755
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: a community, whatever its size, to have closure, to know

756
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: to solve a case. Right, It's often thankless research. I'm

757
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 4: interested in nol in learning, uh, learning, whatever this inquest

758
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: it happens, may find because from what I recall, and

759
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Speaker 4: I'm just off the dome here, a lot of Ripper

760
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Speaker 4: Jack the Ripper researchers tended to consider and dismiss Kamenski

761
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Speaker 4: because or Cosminski, uh, because of some timeline stuff, some

762
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: of what they saw as as behavioral pattern and the

763
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Speaker 4: one thing that I remember. Don't quote me on this

764
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 4: because I have to check, but I think the asylum

765
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 4: that took him in in eighteen ninety one, I think

766
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: they said he only spoke Yiddish, and whomever authored those

767
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: letters to the paper, if it was the actual Jack

768
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 4: the Ripper, they clearly spoke and read English. Well.

769
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 5: It does also beg the question of you know, does

770
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: this trace of DNA evidence, one hundred and thirty year

771
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 5: old DNA evidence, is that alone enough to one hundred

772
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 5: percent pen this on that individual? There would have to

773
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 5: be other factors, hence the need for a new investigation

774
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: right right?

775
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: Could it have I mean, could that evidence have been contaminated?

776
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: Do we really believe that it was held sacrisanct and

777
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: you know, sealed off for so long. But still to

778
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 4: your earlier point into what I think is launching the inquest,

779
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: there must be other factors and it is it seriously

780
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: bears looking into to find the DNA of a suspect

781
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: on one of the possessions of a victim. There's no

782
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: way around it. I feel like you have to investigate

783
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: further otherwise it's willfully dismissive. It's purposely, it's on purpose

784
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 4: choosing to remain ignorant about a lead, which, as you said,

785
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: it is a breakthrough.

786
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: Matt. I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on this.

787
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Speaker 5: With all of your true crime podcast investigations and background,

788
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 5: I know that Golden State Killer was a good example

789
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 5: of new information coming to light in an old case,

790
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: not as old as this, But I just wonder where

791
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 5: you stand on is a new inquest funded by the

792
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 5: public the right move or if it's such a wealthy

793
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 5: person who bought the shawl, is it something more maybe

794
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 5: that would be best served by private investors.

795
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 2: I think there's enough interest in true crime in general

796
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: for cool like go fund me situation to happen if

797
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: if they really wanted to happen. I don't know. It's

798
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: really tough when you're when you're looking at evidence that's

799
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: that old, because you you think about how important chain

800
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: of custody is and how important all of these things

801
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: are in our in legal systems throughout the world, and

802
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: you're looking at stuff from you know, that long ago.

803
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: Who knows what kind of contamination may have occurred, who

804
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: knows what kind of situation could have occurred, where that

805
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: evidence is actually no longer viable and doesn't prove what

806
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: everyone thinks it's proving when all the testing is you know, done.

807
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: So it's just it's a tough situation.

808
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: Well said.

809
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: Now that I'm intrigued by this crowd funding notion, it

810
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: does seem like you know, I mean, because there are

811
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 5: so many unsolved crimes in the UK that don't get

812
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 5: the funding or attention they deserve. Like in the comment

813
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 5: section on this Telegraph piece that I was mentioning, this

814
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 5: is a This comment from Frank W. Duh is pretty

815
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 5: pretty much sums up the sentiment as much as I

816
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 5: understand and sympathize with the relatives. I would much rather

817
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 5: today's government invested the time and money into a deep

818
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 5: and very thorough public inquest into the so called Asian

819
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 5: and others rape gangs that go back at least fifty

820
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: years with it another comment or privately funded. Only the

821
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 5: government have better things to spend time and money on. Hey,

822
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 5: looking at the unsolved knife crime stats in mister Cohn's London,

823
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 5: I would say he's still about referring to Jackie the Ripper.

824
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there are also some Clearly there are some

825
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: politicized aspects to some of those comments. But that point

826
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: reminds me of other investigations that we know did get

827
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 4: covered up, like abuse rings in Parliament. Anybody who is

828
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: looking into Operation U Tree things like that, they got

829
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 4: knocked down. So there is I still say you would

830
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: for a breakthrough of this magnitude, you should have an inquest. However,

831
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: you should also exercise due diligence to advance understanding into

832
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: in scrutiny of these other many crimes that do not

833
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 4: receive the same attention because they have not been I'll

834
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: say it glamorized right in popular culture. I don't know,

835
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: it's a complex bag of badgers, and I really appreciate

836
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: you bringing us this story and do we have any

837
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 4: do we have any like timeline from people seeking an

838
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: inquest or do we just know now it's just proposed.

839
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Speaker 5: There's there's obviously co sign from multiple descendants of the victims,

840
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 5: and interestingly from a descendant of these suspects who is

841
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 5: also in support of finding out the truth in this case.

842
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 5: Amanda Paulos, who is his three times great niece, said,

843
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: I'm more than happy to finally establish what really happened.

844
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 5: The corner of the original eighteen eighty eight investgation returned

845
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: a verdict at the time of what was what was

846
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 5: called willful murder, So it would require band answer question

847
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 5: permission granted by Richard Hermer, who's the Attorney General, and

848
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 5: with his you know sign on an inquest could go ahead.

849
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 5: Sir Michael Ellis refused permission for a new inquiry when

850
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 5: he was the Attorney General just a couple of years ago,

851
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: so this has been an ongoing thing.

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00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: So there you have it.

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Speaker 2: synthetic dyes is red number three. It was approved in

870
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: nineteen oh seven for use in food. It's made from petroleum.

871
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: That sounds delicious. That's the stuff that makes gas, you know,

872
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: for cars and stuff.

873
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 3: Dinosaur juice has been put it in a recent episode

874
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: of Ridiculous Sister.

875
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: There you go, guys. The FDA first became aware that

876
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: read three, this specific one, was potentially carcinogenic when a

877
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: study was released in the nineteen eighties and found that

878
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: it created tumors male rats who were exposed to it

879
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: in high doses. That's the nineteen eighties. Red number three

880
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 2: is already banned in many countries outside of the US,

881
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: including Australia, Japan, many countries within the European Union. Then

882
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: back in nineteen ninety, guys, the United States banned the

883
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 2: use of red three in personal care products, so stuff

884
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: that you put on your face or you use in

885
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: your mouth, but not a food. Does that make sense,

886
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: kind of like a toothpaste, dent, priss. There you go. Then,

887
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: just a couple of years later, in twenty twenty three,

888
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm joking there, the California Food Safety Act banned Red

889
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 2: three in all food products sold or distributed within their state.

890
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: And now, guys, as of today, when we record on

891
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: January fifteenth, that's a Wednesday, the FDA has banned the

892
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: use of red three in all foods that are going

893
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: to be manufactured or sold within the US.

894
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 4: Am my ongoing attempts to be positive, I will say,

895
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: better late than never.

896
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, only, you know, only like forty five fifty years

897
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: later we figured it out. And I remember there are

898
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: also a bunch of other additives eight in particular, other

899
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: ones that are synthetically made so cool. This is the red,

900
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: by the way, that gives that deep like cherry color

901
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: or that red cherry color. It's the synthetic one that

902
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: makes that color. I don't know. It's just kind of exciting, guys,

903
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: because you know, there are a bunch of advocacy groups

904
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: out there who have been talking about this for a

905
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: long time, and they say all kinds of things, like

906
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: it's directly tied to cancer as well as affecting children's

907
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: behavior and all those kinds of things. The two sides

908
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 2: that get created when an advocacy group comes out like that,

909
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: essentially are the folks who use this stuff and make

910
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: a crap ton of money by having the stuff in

911
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: their products, versus the people who are you know, generally

912
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: concerned with safety about that bronc.

913
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's often a David and Goliath situation, at least

914
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 4: here in the United States, because the people who are

915
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: pushing for greater regulation often end up not having as

916
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: much capital or infrastructure support as the folks who are

917
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: profiting from those same things. Not to say that these

918
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: folks are getting their jimmies off. Imagining terrible things happening

919
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 4: because of food coloring. They're getting their jimmies off imagining

920
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: how profitable this kind of product or additive is. And

921
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: this leads us to something else. A question for the group.

922
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: Do we think part of this ban is coming as

923
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 4: a rush to get some policy enacted before the administration shift.

924
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe do you think so?

925
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 4: I'm just curious. No, it's just a question for the

926
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: group for the time.

927
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, yeah, I could see that. I could

928
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: see that as being a thing, especially if some of

929
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: these government agencies are going to be nerfed a bit

930
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: with the new administration. Yeah, it would be nice if

931
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: somebody was, you know, watching our backs a little bit.

932
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: That would be cool.

933
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, you gotta get America Plus. You have to

934
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 4: subscribe to America Premium Citizenship for that.

935
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, double plus.

936
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 4: Good.

937
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: This, by the way, you can look up right now.

938
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: The NBC News article is titled FDA bands red number

939
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 2: three artificial coloring used in beverages, candy, and other foods.

940
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: There are thousands of products, by the way, which use

941
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: right now red three, and manufacturers will have until January fifteenth,

942
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven to reformulate their products, so we'll still

943
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: be eating lots of it for some time. If you

944
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 2: eat anything that is red and the uses this dye, yikes.

945
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: Hey guys, you ever use protein powders? You ever used

946
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: that as part of your daily thing?

947
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: Sure?

948
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. Well, guess what I guess some news

949
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: A quick reminder. According to the US Environmental Protection Agency,

950
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: there is no level of lead that is safe for humans.

951
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 4: Oh I read, Oh god, yeah, I know what we're

952
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: getting to yep.

953
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: Additionally, according to the US Department of Labour's Occupational Safety

954
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 2: and Health Administration, cadmium is a carcinogen which is also

955
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: toxic to the body's heart, kidneys, gut, brain, and respiratory

956
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: and reproductive systems. Well, guys. According to a fresh investigation

957
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: from the nonprofit outfit the Clean Label Project, many of

958
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: the over the counter protein powders that you can buy

959
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: right now may contain disturbing levels of both lead and cadmium.

960
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 4: I remember reading about this and then deciding this is

961
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: so terrible. But I remember thinking, well, I have found

962
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 4: a good reason not to exercise today.

963
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: Hey, there you go, there you go. Well, this is

964
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: a reminder, just like in some of the individual investigations

965
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: and reports that were made about Red three that we

966
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: just talked about. This is an independent investigation by a

967
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: nonprofit organization that potentially has you know, some kind of

968
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: skin in the game, right, potentially, and I use that

969
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: word potentially, so you have to take it with a

970
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: bit of a grain of salt. It's a single report

971
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: that is what other larger advocacy organizations are saying. Some

972
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: other organizations are just saying, hey, this is a really

973
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: good piece of info to have, we need to do

974
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: more testing to find out how dangerous this actually is

975
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: and you know where the potential contamination is coming from

976
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: and how it's getting in there. You can find the

977
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: whole report if you search for Clean Label Project twenty

978
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: twenty four DASH twenty five Protein Powder Category Report. It's

979
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, and it's it's really bad. It

980
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: basically says the chocolate flavored drinks have way higher levels

981
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: of these heavy metals and toxins than like vanilla flavored

982
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: ones or other flavored ones. It also said the organic

983
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: versions have intensely higher levels than ones that are quote

984
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: not organic, right, so it's just very strange. The plant

985
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: based ones were the most egregious versions, And we've talked

986
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: about that before with potential leeching from soil. Yeah, right,

987
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: if the soil itself is contaminated by water runoff or

988
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: just however else the soil could get contaminated. The plant

989
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: based ones are made from plants, and the plants soak

990
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: up those kinds of metals, and then when they're you know,

991
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: ground up and used in the manufacturing process, there's potentially

992
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: higher levels of lead and cadmium.

993
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: Organic does not necessarily, despite what companies want you to believe,

994
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: organic does not necessarily always necessitate something being better. Yeah,

995
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 4: there's a whole there's a whole conspiratorial nomenclature of vocabulary

996
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 4: set about this kind of stuff. All natural.

997
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: Okay, buddy, gotta watch out.

998
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: It's all in the language and it can be used

999
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: against you, guys. I've got a bunch more stuff. Maybe

1000
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: I'll just give a couple of quick ones here. Remember

1001
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: when we talked about that New York mayor guy Eric

1002
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: Adams M.

1003
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's huge in Turkey.

1004
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is very popular, very busch looks really imposing

1005
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 5: on that perp walk with Luigi Manjohnny.

1006
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: There you go. So we talked about him back in September,

1007
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: when he was charged with five criminal accounts, including bribery,

1008
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: conspiracy to commit wire fraud, and solicitation of a contribution

1009
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: by a foreign national. This is coming to us again

1010
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: from NBC News. You can read about it. It was posted

1011
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: on January seventh, twenty twenty five. Title is Federal prosecutors

1012
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 2: say they've uncovered additional criminal conduct by New York Mayor

1013
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: Eric Adams. That week, it was announced by the Attorney's

1014
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: Office for the Southern District of New York. That quote,

1015
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: law enforcement has continued to identify additional individuals involved in

1016
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: Adam's conduct, and they've uncovered additional criminal conduct by the mayor.

1017
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: The mayor responded at a news conference the following day

1018
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: after this, guys, we've just got a quick quote here.

1019
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: It is. These are the words of New York Mayor

1020
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: Eric Adams. Quote. Even Ray Charles can see what's going on.

1021
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: Ray Charles, if you're unaware, was a very famous blind musician, singer, songwriter,

1022
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: an incredibly talented individual. He goes on, I've said it

1023
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: over and over again. I've done nothing wrong, so assuring words.

1024
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fine to say things in sale kinds of things.

1025
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: I just said that.

1026
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: Oh magic, there's one other thing. Maybe we say this

1027
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: for later. There was a smaller town in Louisiana, Boga Lusa,

1028
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: where a mayor was arrested as a part of a

1029
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: large drug distribution investigation where opioids, high grade THHD products

1030
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: and MDMA were being sold, and then those proceeds were

1031
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: being used to purchase weapons, and then those weapons were

1032
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: going to individuals who are legally not allowed to have

1033
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: said weapons. It was a big deal. You can read

1034
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 2: about that in CBS News just search for Louisiana mayor

1035
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: arrested after drug trafficking investigation. There's a lot of interesting

1036
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: stuff in that article. The mayor was only twenty five

1037
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: years old. Is this yes? I remember, yes, yes, tyring

1038
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: T y R I N T R U O N

1039
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: G and you can read all about this thing is

1040
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: very very strange. It's what you would imagine charges of

1041
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: conspiracy to distribute substances, and it has to do with

1042
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's like separate charges for Schedule one substances

1043
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: and Schedule two substances and schedule whatever. But ultimately it's

1044
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: just drug trafficking. And the mayor there in Bogalusa is

1045
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: somehow wrapped up in it. Last thing, guys, weapons trafficking,

1046
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: not just drug trafficking. Weapons trafficking, that's a there's big

1047
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: money in both of those. But weapons trafficking now, especially internationally,

1048
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: there's legendary enrichment potential there, right, big deal. Okay, So

1049
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: here is something coming to us from CNN. We'll tell

1050
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: you the title in a moment. And this is all

1051
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: according to the US Department of Justice and gentlemen named

1052
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: Takeshi Ibisawa. This is a sixty year old alleged leader

1053
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: from Japan's Yakuza crime syndicates. So potentially one of the

1054
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: individual groups there has pled guilty to quote trafficking nuclear

1055
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: materials from me and Mar. Yes, yes, as part of

1056
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: a global web of trades and drugs, weapons and laundered cash.

1057
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: So the weapons trade is already existing here and according

1058
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: to this guy again, he pled guilty to it. He

1059
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: was trafficking in fissile material. Okay, let's jump into this.

1060
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: You can find the article alleged to Yukuza leader admitst

1061
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: trafficking nuclear materials from me and Mar. That's MOI A N.

1062
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 4: M A R.

1063
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: During an undercover investigation by the US DEEA This is

1064
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty one. This gentleman, Takeshi, tried to

1065
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: sell the materials, including uranium and weapons grade plutonium. Remember

1066
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: in our discussions with fissile materials, weapons grade plutonium means

1067
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: this stuff has been spun up in centrifuges to the

1068
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: point where it can go. It can make the big

1069
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: boom if you want it to. When you've just got

1070
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: regular role plutonium or uranium. That stuff is radioactive and

1071
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: extremely dangerous, but it wouldn't be able to trigger a

1072
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: nuclear reaction the way stuff that's inside a nukewood right, Yeah,

1073
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: but weapons a great plutonium ding ding, that's the stuff.

1074
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: So he was trying to sell this stuff to a

1075
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: person he believed was an Iranian general. So a general

1076
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: from the country of Iran who wanted them for a

1077
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons program. Yikes, yikes, especially considering what's going on

1078
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: right now in the world and the wars being fought

1079
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: and human beings being killed, and the aspirations of leaders

1080
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: in various countries. That's dangerous, scary stuff. I don't know,

1081
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: but it's something we talked about before. I suppose for

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Speaker 2: a weapons dealer, and it doesn't matter who you're selling

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Speaker 2: the weapons to. And we know that weapons can be

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Speaker 2: sold strategically to, you know, an enemy force, depending on

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Speaker 2: who the opposing force is, and it can be done

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Speaker 2: in a very strategic manner to do the old pick

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Speaker 2: up the gun situation.

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Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, in this case too. I remember, before this

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Speaker 4: guy admitted or confessed, one of the one of the

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Speaker 4: big parts of this kind of investigation is, like you said, Matt,

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Speaker 4: getting the person boxed in to prove that they have

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Speaker 4: intent and full awareness, right, So that part of the

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Speaker 4: theater here is making sure that this that this dude

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Speaker 4: knows vaguely what the purported general is planning to do,

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Speaker 4: like you are supporting the possibility of nuclear warfare. Otherwise,

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Speaker 4: you know, you can try to squirrel away legally speaking,

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Speaker 4: into something where you could say, oh, I didn't know,

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Speaker 4: you know, look at me. I'm an old school criminal.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand the ins and outs of nuclear weaponry.

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Speaker 4: This was just another thing for me to sell. I mean,

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Speaker 4: my main thing is Pachinko parlors. Guys, if we're being

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Speaker 4: honest and now, that won't work. And that's part of

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Speaker 4: the brilliance of these sorts of the I would say

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Speaker 4: the long term intricacy of those kind of investigations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. This guy, by the way, also is

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Speaker 2: accused of a lot of things, including trying to sell

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Speaker 2: surface to air missiles, and you know, he's admitted to

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Speaker 2: a lot of other things like selling specific weapons to

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Speaker 2: other countries. It tons and tons of international narcotics trade stuff. Sure,

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Speaker 2: which again, if you you know, you imagine a crime syndicate, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of kind of what you do. But selling

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Speaker 2: facal materials maybe that's a whole other that's a whole

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Speaker 2: other thing. There were photos exchange in this whole undercover

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Speaker 2: investigation where some substance that looks to be uranium or

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Speaker 2: plutonium is photographed right next to a Geiger counter that

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Speaker 2: is showing whatever it is, it's radioactive. Who knows. This

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Speaker 2: is a big investigation. There's lots of stuff at.

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Speaker 4: Play, surprisingly endearing pictures of the suspect yourself, yeah, oh yeah, toys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, holding some kind of RPG just with his

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Speaker 2: glasses on. He's just like, hey, check out this leather jacket.

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Speaker 4: It's the energy of your favorite uncle when they catch

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Speaker 4: a big fish. Yeah, I have to get a picture

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Speaker 4: of it. This is also I guess we should mention, Matt,

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Speaker 4: this is not a solo arrest, correct, there are two

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Speaker 4: other defendants?

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, Yeah? Who are those guys right now?

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Speaker 4: Where we haven't pulled their names? We would have to,

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Speaker 4: We would have to dig into this a little bit

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Speaker 4: more there. Look, this happens because often folks like this

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Speaker 4: are not going. You can't do this by yourself, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Even in what was that Nicholas

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Speaker 4: Gage film Lord of War, he had to have a

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Speaker 4: lot of connections to traffic weaponry on an international scale.

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Speaker 4: So this means this is just our opinion speculation. This

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Speaker 4: means the most logical move for this ongoing thing is

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Speaker 4: to keep pulling the threads. Right. Who are you meeting

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Speaker 4: on the other side of the table here, right? Because

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Speaker 4: they don't manufacture this stuff in Japan? So are the

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Speaker 4: triads involved? Do we look toward North Korea? Those are

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Speaker 4: the conversations and investigations happening now, and I think we

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Speaker 4: can expect more arrest or more progress. The question is

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Speaker 4: whether any of that will be in the public sphere. Also,

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Speaker 4: Japan's got some problems with this justice, very different problems

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Speaker 4: than the problems here in the good old US of A.

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Speaker 4: But you guys know the old the old chippoleth about

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Speaker 4: Japan's ninety nine percent conviction rates. They h they'll get you.

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Speaker 4: There's there's not a way in hell unless unless some serious,

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Speaker 4: high level negotiations happen in some smoky back room. This

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Speaker 4: guy's going down.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Let's end here with a quote

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Speaker 2: from Acting US Attorney Edward Y. Kim for the Southern

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Speaker 2: District of New York. Uh, here we go. As he

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Speaker 2: admitted in court today, Takashi Ibisawa brazen Lea trafficked nuclear material,

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Speaker 2: including weapons grade plutonium, out of Burma. So in this case,

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Speaker 2: the US attorney is is calling ME and R Burma

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Speaker 2: because that is what it was formerly known as. It's

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Speaker 2: like kind of the we talked about that kind of interchange.

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Speaker 2: The but ME and Mar is what it is known

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Speaker 2: as and referred to you mostly now men.

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Speaker 4: R is what the people of that country want it

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Speaker 4: to be referred to as.

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Speaker 2: Yes, continuing the quote. At the same time, he worked

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Speaker 2: to send massive quantities of heroin and methamphetamine to the

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Speaker 2: United States in exchange for heavy duty weaponry such as

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Speaker 2: surface to air missiles to be used in Burma, or

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Speaker 2: ME and Mar and laundered what he believed to be

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Speaker 2: drug money from New York to Tokyo. And this is

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Speaker 2: all part of that undercover investigation where basically this guy

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Speaker 2: is just being strung along by DA agents. There we go, guys,

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Speaker 2: That's all I've got for this week.

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Speaker 4: And there's so much more, As we always say, there's

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Speaker 4: so much more that we have yet to get to.

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Speaker 4: We want to hear from you, folks. We've explored several

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Speaker 4: ongoing stories. We didn't even mention our boy, the millionaire

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Speaker 4: who wants to live forever. Talked about him previously. Remember

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Speaker 4: the guy who was using his kid as blood bag. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and beat a blood bag to his grandfather as well.

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Speaker 4: Just to let you know there was a circle of

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Speaker 4: regimen because he said it was making him older.

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Speaker 5: I did see that, and wasn't it like the longevity drug?

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Speaker 4: your best not to not to smuggle weapons or nuclear

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Speaker 4: too wild. Instead of participating in cover ups and conspiracies,

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Speaker 4: why don't you help us shed light on them. We

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