WEBVTT - Ep. 137 - Dan Hicks 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.000 Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host, 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.760 Shane Bacon, coming to you from fine Hurst, the Hotel, 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.920 the US Amateur. It is US Amateur Week and we're excited. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.200 It's our last event of twenty nineteen and it should 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.120 be a good one. I mean, we have the Women's 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.919 m last week down in Starkville, Mississippi, and I'm not 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.960 sure you could ask for a better competitive event to do, 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.240 especially one to kind of finish up the season. It 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.360 was great names facing off in the match play and 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.040 then of course the finals in the championship. I mean, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:38.960 you get a nineteen year old player that had just 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.000 started playing golf when she was fifteen, when she finished 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.400 up with tennis, with Gabriella ruffles and birdies, the thirty 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.959 five and thirty six sols to win, you know. I mean, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.479 when you're watching that and you're getting a chance to 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.519 broadcast stuff like that, and this is what you want. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.560 When you're doing match play. You never know which players 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.000 you're gonna get through into the sixty four, into the 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.440 thirty two and on down the list, and this is 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.280 this is we got in the finals. So it was 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.560 awesome and I can only expect it will be the 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.600 same Pine Nurse as one of the greatest places in 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.720 the country for golf, and I just want to give 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.200 you a quick schedule for the week so you can 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.560 have it. Wednesday we go four to seven pm Eastern 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.640 on FS one, the same on Friday and Thursday four 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.679 to seven. Saturday it moves three to six. It also 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.720 moves to Big Fox and Sunday three thirty to six 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.000 thirty pm Eastern on Fox, and we'll keep that going 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.600 until we continue on to our champions So make sure 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.119 you set the DVRs. I would add an extension if 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.720 I were you, add about thirty minutes. We went long 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.040 a lot because we wanted to follow those matches when 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.679 they went to extra holes, and I'm assuming it we'll 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.280 do the exact same stuff this week, So add thirty minutes, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.280 maybe at an hour. We went deep a little bit 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.319 at the Women's Amateur, and I expect probably gonna go 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.800 deep if some of these matches continue on the golf 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.640 course number two. I mean, my goodness, it is an 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.440 unreal shape. It is very hard. I am kind of 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.880 glad I didn't qualify for the US Amateur because I'd 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.480 be nervous of what I would go out there and fire. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.120 But these kids are a lot better than us average 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.720 good Joe's that think we can go out there and play, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.600 So it'll be a fun week. This Clubhouse podcast with 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.920 Dan Hicks as they all are, is sponsored by titlist 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.880 and the new T Series Irons from the Tour's Best 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.560 to the Best in your foursome titleist. T Series irons 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.640 are designed to help discerning players at every level go 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.720 lower than ever before and from the precision of T 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.360 one hundred to the distance of T two hundred. 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Here we go 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.440 and we welcome into the clubhouse for the first time 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.720 a man that you know, Dan, I didn't realize I 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:02.280 had as many similarities with you as I do. Dan Hicks, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.280 of course, the voice of golf for NBC has been 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.360 doing a great job for so many years. I was 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.600 reading your bio. We both went to University of Arizona. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.360 I know you grew up in Tucson. My first internship 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.479 was with k v o A. Uh, there was there's 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.480 some similarities there that I didn't really realize. Ran so deep. Yeah, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.000 the the Shane Bacon Dan Hicks coincidence, which should be 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.000 uh researched even further maybe now, Shane, it's it's great 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.839 to be on your show. Um, you know, obviously watched 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.840 a lot of you guys on Fox and follow it 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.120 very closely, and uh, you're just doing a great job, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.279 and it's always a pleasure to talk to to a 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.560 fellow wildcat. Not too many of us out there, um, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.400 you know, in the broadcast world other than our our producer, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.800 our fame producer Tommy Roy at NBC, who is a 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.600 U of A alum as well and grew up in Tucson, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.400 but not a lot of us out there, so a 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.719 pleasure to connect again. Yeah. And and today, of all days, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.240 I'm online kind of digging around, and there's a large 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.760 basketball podcast that I listened to that today put up. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.800 They're calling it a rewatchable and it's the two thousand 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.120 and five Elite eight game between Illinois and Arizona, which 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.640 I still believe is the most depressed I've ever been 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.360 following a sporting event. I've got a lot of those 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.080 depressing moments, uh were Arizona sports. Not not too many 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.560 of them around the basketball hoops team, but boy, um, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.119 I've been a part of the whole Arizona Tucson scene forever, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.480 seemingly and still still watch it closely as I can. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.840 But you know, growing up in Arizona, growing up in Tucson, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.920 following the Wildcats and going through the whole deal. When 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.880 I was at school there, I was a public address 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.159 announcer for the baseball team. I probably saw a hundred 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.240 and fifty, as they called him back in the day, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:47.160 six pack games for for the Wildcats. So it's in 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.920 my blood, it's in my DNA, and um it's it's 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.080 it's fun. So I was. I just wanted to kind 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.400 of talk through your career. You mentioned it already. Not 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.880 a lot of people got into broadcasting from the University 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.919 of Arizona. Everybody out of the state of Arizona basically 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.400 went to Arizona State and Walter Cronkite in the school there. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.159 They do such a great job. How did you get 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.400 into it? What was your path into broadcasting, you know, 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.760 through the University of Arizona. You mentioned some of the 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.800 internships and some of the stuff you did there. Yeah, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.760 first of all, I'm very disappointed that we get the 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.640 Arizona State in there already in this podcast. But anyway, um, now, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.440 you know it was the best part about my Arizona 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.240 education was the journalism. I was a journalism major and 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.320 the journalism department at you have A is exceptional. Always 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.680 knew it was. Had some friends of my sisters who 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.800 went to the Arizona who were in the journalism department, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.200 So that was on my radar. There just wasn't there 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.440 wasn't really a broadcast you know, division there or department 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.680 there to kind of sink your teeth into. So I 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.960 started off the journalism, you know, learning the who, what, why, when, where, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.960 and the real fundamentals of writing, which I still used today. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.159 Believe it or not. Some people thinking, get into this 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.640 television business and you stopped writing, and you don't. I'm 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.880 sure you've realized that. But look and back. I just 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.040 did as much as I could in school as possible. 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.839 I was on I was a sportswriter for the Arizona 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.080 Daily Wildcat. I covered all the sports there, and then I, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.960 like I said, I was a public address announcer for 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.120 the baseball team, and I just started working my way 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.840 through there. My first job out of school was a 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.800 job in radio. I did news. I had to get 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.520 on the air some way, shape form. I had to 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.400 get live and get comfortable with that part of the 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.240 broadcast business. So I did radio for two and a 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.880 half years in my hometown at two Center, Arizona, and 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.040 then I got the the opportunity to go to k 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.720 v O, a TV where you um you had you 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.240 spent some time, and that was just a really good, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.280 solid number one NBC affiliated. Hey listen, I've got you 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.560 know all these tapes. I've got fifty tapes stacked up 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.200 in the corner of my of my office here, and 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.640 these are all from people that have had at least two, three, 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.720 four five years experience in the business, and I was 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.480 just a radio guy at two soon and I said, well, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.640 if you just let me get on the set and 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.280 give me a little audition with my buddy there, who 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.320 I knew at the time was John Hook, who have 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.000 to come and remained good friends with do the year. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:01.600 Can you just let me get on there and do 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.320 an audition? And he did. I said, if it sucks, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.280 you can jump in the lake and I'll never bothery again. Um, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.720 so I did it. I got a call from the 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.680 next day, and you know, a long story short, I 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.680 got hired there and got my start in television. So 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.200 and then from there I went to see an in 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.240 sports and met my wife, and from there I went 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.000 to NBC, which is crazy because we went there at 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.400 the same time from CNN and uh, twenty seven years later, 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.320 here I am talking to you. So that's the thumbnail version. Yeah, 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.960 it's it's uh. I mean, it's interesting to hear you say. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.960 The writing thing. I talk a lot about this. I 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.400 mean I wrote it for the years in a daily 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.240 Wildcat for four years, and writing was my pedigree. I 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.520 wrote online after that, I wrote for y'all who sports 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.800 and CBS, And I really feel like the writing thing 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.840 helps you with your broadcasting. I mean, I write my 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.200 scene sets, I write the stuff that I say on air. 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.480 When I'm preparing to write these things, it's something my 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.360 producer Mark Loomis has hammered home. I mean, make sure 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.079 you write it so it feels like it's in your 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.640 own words. And I feel like you probably do a 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.080 lot of the same stuff, and uh, it does it. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.400 It really, in a weird way, has helped me. And 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.120 and this sounds so broadcasting, but it's helped me kind 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.280 of find my voice because it's a it's a helpful 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.440 it's a helpful thing to have as a small tool 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:16.760 kind of in in the in the pack of things 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.880 we use about it. Um, you use it even if 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.600 you're not, you know, physically writing it down or hammered 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.480 it down in your iPad or whatever. While you're up 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.120 in the broadcast booth, you're thinking writing in your head. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.599 Because the fundamentals that were pounded into me in the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.920 journalism department at Arizona, where first of all, if we 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.680 made one error, whether it was a spelling area of 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.200 a spelling error of a name, we had to have 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.960 a middle initial on names. That's how much they pounded 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.920 it into your into your head. If you didn't have that, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.440 forget about what you wrote, you know, how much reporting 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.760 you did, you've got an automatic E which was a fail. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.400 And so that still is in my head when I 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.199 when I try to get things right, and again we're 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.520 not going to get everything right because there's just too 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.240 much going on in the in the show. Oh as 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.040 you know. But if you go in there with that 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.000 thinking that that is your worst nightmare is to make 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.199 an air or screw up somebody's name, or make basic 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.680 airs that you could really you know, have a you know, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.880 put a good watch out. Then you're then your head 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.480 of the game. And writing is all a part of 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.280 that because it's what basically comes out of your mouth 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.520 through your brain. And like I said, if you don't 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.040 write it down, you're certainly thinking in the right manner 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.360 of how do you know what's brick by brick? Can't 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.120 tell a guy who's gonna win at eighteen on Sunday 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.160 his whole life story on Friday or even Saturday for 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.040 that moment, you kind of pick here your points in 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.760 an old executive producer at NBC Sports Terry O'Neill once 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.959 told me, it's a brick build your house, brick by brick, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.240 and that is the That's what I try to do, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.000 is to just let people know a little bit about 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.400 him or her as we go along, and at the 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.240 end you've got this nice house build. Everybody has comfortable. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.280 So it is all a part of writing. It's all 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.520 about all about putting a story together. And I really 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.559 feel and I think that's somewhat of a lost art 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.720 with some of the younger people today. I mean it's 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.000 I think that you can easily get caught up in 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.199 just let's just get on the air, you know, what's 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.760 the quickest way, and you know, sometimes we lose those 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.680 those most valuable skills that I think really give a 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.280 broadcaster longevity in this business. Well, I want to transition 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.880 into your year. It's probably been one of the I 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.800 wouldn't I don't want to say strangest years, but it's 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.920 probably been one that you'll you'll look back on and 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.560 really remember. Of course, Johnny Miller departs and Phoenix and 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.280 you have Poulaisinger come in to the seat next to you. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:39.000 What's been the biggest difference with Zing joining after you 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.240 had to spend all those years, you know, alongside Johnny Miller. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.680 It's it's funny they're they're very different, but at the 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.000 same time, there are a lot the same. And I 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.239 say that in the sense of I think of everybody 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.360 out there who we were looking at, and we had 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.880 some really fine quality candidates that were right in the house, 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.720 you know, at Golf Channel, in an NBC that everybody 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.040 knows about that that was coming up and auditioning with me, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.240 and through the course of you know, some several shows 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.719 that were really good and and and and could have 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.000 done the job as well. But what distinguished Zinger was, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.400 and you know this well too, is that he he 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.200 doesn't really I don't want to say thank too much, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.240 but he doesn't really care about what he says in 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.360 the sense of, you know, is this is this right? 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.520 Am I going to offend somebody? And Johnny was a 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.839 lot like that. He spoke from the heart, he spoke truth. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.360 And sometimes those aren't the flattering of the people that 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.120 were covering, and they can get a little bit um, 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.360 they can sting a little bit, especially to the people 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.720 that are that's being directed at. But but it's important 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.240 it's important. That's what that person gets paid to do. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.840 You know, you don't have to agree with it, but 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.000 that is what he's getting paid for, and that is 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.360 his job. You may not agree with it. And Zinger 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.319 is from that same mold. He's going to give it 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.240 to you exactly what he thinks, exactly how he feels. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.920 It's not going to be you know, sheltered or insula 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.359 did by you know, things that he's worried about repercussions 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.280 from what he says, and that is one of the 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.320 most difficult things for ex athletes to come into our 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.200 business and do. And some never get it, you know, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.200 never kind of get that part of it. But but 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.720 Zinger has been great. Um, So I would say that's 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.360 that's the that's been the easiest transition, is working with 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.520 somebody like that who's just free form and goes. But 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.640 at the same time, he's very different. You know, Johnny 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.920 had his way of preparing singers got his way of 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.040 preparing um. But that's what makes this whole mix interesting. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.280 But he's really fitting well with the guys. And I 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.800 told him right off the bat that that it's just 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.400 been a great fit well. And he's he's massively fun 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.080 to be around. You know that is you know when 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.480 when we we have him now a couple of events 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.920 and when he comes around, every the mood goes up. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.680 I mean, Paul Easinger is one of those guys that 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.720 can really get every get the most out of everybody 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.880 in terms of energy and entertainment. And I feel like 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.480 that's the quality that's really hard to come by. And 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.920 you know how important that is. If if you enjoy 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.320 working with the people, um that you work with on 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.400 and off the air, man, it's gonna it's gonna come 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.800 across first of all on the air, and it's just 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.440 gonna give the whole morale a totally different feel. And 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.199 then you know, maybe from time to time, we've all 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.960 worked with people that you know are represent a little 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.920 bit of negative energy, um, but there's just none of 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.560 that with Zing. He's enthusiastic, he's passionate about about golf. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.600 And I've had the great fortune of working with so 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.920 many not only really good analysts, but you know through 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.480 various sports, whether it's Olympic swimming or whatever, that just 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.520 love what they do. Can you can turn onto television 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.880 and it just comes through the set. Like with Rowdy 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.120 Gaines for instance. I mean, he's just a phenomenal analyst, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.400 but his passion and his enthusiasm is what drives his 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.800 his whole commentary. So Zinger's got that in spades, and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.280 we all enjoy having him, and he's just he's just 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.440 positive energy and that's always good. Yeah. The time I 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.320 was host, I believe it was three US amateurs ago 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.440 and it was Zinger and Brad Faxtson and myself, and 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.440 Zinger said something on the Wednesday, you know Wednesdays around 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.520 of sixty four, and it's this chaotic day and there's 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.880 all this stuff going on, and you've got papers everywhere 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:22.360 bast it. So you're not familiar with these guys, right, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.360 you're just kind of like bouncing around in thirty two matches. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.840 It's it's a wild, crazy fun but it's uh yeah, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.240 and you know you can't prepare because you don't know 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.000 who's going to qualify. I mean, you can sit there 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.080 and read about Cole Hammer all you want, but if 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.160 he doesn't get through, you just wasted thirty five minutes. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.360 And so it's just kind of the nied of you. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.680 You're reading everything. And Zinger said something on Wednesday, and 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.240 we went to commercial and he looked at me and 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.760 he goes, bacon, that's a Wednesday comment. I'd never make 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.640 that on Sunday. And it was, you know, it's kind 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.400 of a and it was just it was so great 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.280 because you know, I'm a little nervous and you know, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.960 it's kind of my first time doing this and I'm 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.200 sitting next to these two great guys, and uh, it 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.600 just again was it was so polaizing Er, you know, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.680 and it was it was very light and it made 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.640 me laugh. And and he just has as I said, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.320 he has a great ability. And I'm so pumped that 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.360 he got the job because I I know, I know 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:10.840 you two are gonna do such a great job and 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.560 you have in an exciting, exciting stuff moving forward. I 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.680 do want to touch a little bit on kind of 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.360 the hot button topic right now in golf over the 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.240 last well, it's it's really I guess it's it's blown 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.640 up the last week. This has been the slow play issue. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.280 Bryson came out and said his interesting, i'll say comment 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.960 in his rant last week about this, and the PGA 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.160 tour came out and said they're gonna they're gonna look 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.120 into this. So and in the off season and really 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.280 kind of see if there's a there's a there's a 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.080 path they're gonna go through. When you're in the booth 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:44.840 and you're broadcasting this slow play, I feel like is 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.120 the easiest to notice because if you're on a guy 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:49.600 and he's taken two and a half minute to hit 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:54.000 a shot, you're sitting there watching every single second of it. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.600 Is it gonna have to be penalty strokes? I mean, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.560 what are they gonna have to do to get these 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.800 guys to speed up a little bit? If they actually 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:05.080 say this is an issue? Yeah, I think uh. I 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:06.920 think Rory McElroy hit it right on the head and 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.680 Brooks kept it got the ball rolling as well. Um, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.760 I think you've got it. You've got to give them shots. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.560 You've gotta give the start giving penalty shots. This it's 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.760 almost like it's not almost they know they can get 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.120 away with this. They can get a warning, they can 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.879 get another warning, and they can be told you're on 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.119 the clock, but they're never but they know that. You know, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.240 when's the last time a penalty was given out? I 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.840 mean it's been It's been a crazy amount of time 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.720 and a crazy amount of two slow players doing what 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.560 they're doing. Why why do we even have the rules 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.359 written the way they are if we're not going to 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.959 enforce him And I I'm really disappointed in the way 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.200 that that this has been enforced, with the lack thereof, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.920 And I think that the players are finally taking things 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.760 into their own hands. We saw keptco, We saw Rory 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.280 mci right nothing. What McElroy said was was right on 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.760 the money. Give him a warning and then you come 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.680 back and if they're still and again it's not an 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:04.080 easy the issue too to nail down, but I believe 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.280 that penalized these guys. And and everybody knows who the 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.560 guys are. That's no secret. They've been called out and 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.200 you asked the tour players. They know more than any 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.920 you know, better than anybody who's who's being slow out there. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.199 So it's not a secret who's playing slow. I know, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.239 it gets a little tricky, and we can sit here 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.159 and talk about it a long time about what's going 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.240 to happen with you know, how are they going to 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.320 enforce it, and who's slow in the group and all 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.119 that stuff, but it's it's the time is common. I 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:32.840 think the players have taken into their own hands. To 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.000 try to try to enforce it. I and I think 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.439 what the Shambo did was great. He just he just 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.440 hit his head on He's still a little bit in denial, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.920 but I think that he I think his breast conference 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.560