Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, coming to you from fine Hurst, the Hotel,
Speaker 1: the US Amateur. It is US Amateur Week and we're excited.
Speaker 1: It's our last event of twenty nineteen and it should
Speaker 1: be a good one. I mean, we have the Women's
Speaker 1: m last week down in Starkville, Mississippi, and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure you could ask for a better competitive event to do,
Speaker 1: especially one to kind of finish up the season. It
Speaker 1: was great names facing off in the match play and
Speaker 1: then of course the finals in the championship. I mean,
Speaker 1: you get a nineteen year old player that had just
Speaker 1: started playing golf when she was fifteen, when she finished
Speaker 1: up with tennis, with Gabriella ruffles and birdies, the thirty
Speaker 1: five and thirty six sols to win, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you're watching that and you're getting a chance to
Speaker 1: broadcast stuff like that, and this is what you want.
Speaker 1: When you're doing match play. You never know which players
Speaker 1: you're gonna get through into the sixty four, into the
Speaker 1: thirty two and on down the list, and this is
Speaker 1: this is we got in the finals. So it was
Speaker 1: awesome and I can only expect it will be the
Speaker 1: same Pine Nurse as one of the greatest places in
Speaker 1: the country for golf, and I just want to give
Speaker 1: you a quick schedule for the week so you can
Speaker 1: have it. Wednesday we go four to seven pm Eastern
Speaker 1: on FS one, the same on Friday and Thursday four
Speaker 1: to seven. Saturday it moves three to six. It also
Speaker 1: moves to Big Fox and Sunday three thirty to six
Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern on Fox, and we'll keep that going
Speaker 1: until we continue on to our champions So make sure
Speaker 1: you set the DVRs. I would add an extension if
Speaker 1: I were you, add about thirty minutes. We went long
Speaker 1: a lot because we wanted to follow those matches when
Speaker 1: they went to extra holes, and I'm assuming it we'll
Speaker 1: do the exact same stuff this week, So add thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: maybe at an hour. We went deep a little bit
Speaker 1: at the Women's Amateur, and I expect probably gonna go
Speaker 1: deep if some of these matches continue on the golf
Speaker 1: course number two. I mean, my goodness, it is an
Speaker 1: unreal shape. It is very hard. I am kind of
Speaker 1: glad I didn't qualify for the US Amateur because I'd
Speaker 1: be nervous of what I would go out there and fire.
Speaker 1: But these kids are a lot better than us average
Speaker 1: good Joe's that think we can go out there and play,
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Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I got. We got into a
Speaker 1: lot of different stuff with Dan Hicks, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the best in the business at what he does,
Speaker 1: sitting next to Paulaising or a friend of ours at
Speaker 1: Fox obviously and helps us out with the open coverage.
Speaker 1: And uh, I wanted to have Dan on for a
Speaker 1: long time, and I got that chance. Here we go
Speaker 1: and we welcome into the clubhouse for the first time
Speaker 1: a man that you know, Dan, I didn't realize I
Speaker 1: had as many similarities with you as I do. Dan Hicks,
Speaker 1: of course, the voice of golf for NBC has been
Speaker 1: doing a great job for so many years. I was
Speaker 1: reading your bio. We both went to University of Arizona.
Speaker 1: I know you grew up in Tucson. My first internship
Speaker 1: was with k v o A. Uh, there was there's
Speaker 1: some similarities there that I didn't really realize. Ran so deep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the Shane Bacon Dan Hicks coincidence, which should be
Speaker 1: uh researched even further maybe now, Shane, it's it's great
Speaker 1: to be on your show. Um, you know, obviously watched
Speaker 1: a lot of you guys on Fox and follow it
Speaker 1: very closely, and uh, you're just doing a great job,
Speaker 1: and it's always a pleasure to talk to to a
Speaker 1: fellow wildcat. Not too many of us out there, um,
Speaker 1: you know, in the broadcast world other than our our producer,
Speaker 1: our fame producer Tommy Roy at NBC, who is a
Speaker 1: U of A alum as well and grew up in Tucson,
Speaker 1: but not a lot of us out there, so a
Speaker 1: pleasure to connect again. Yeah. And and today, of all days,
Speaker 1: I'm online kind of digging around, and there's a large
Speaker 1: basketball podcast that I listened to that today put up.
Speaker 1: They're calling it a rewatchable and it's the two thousand
Speaker 1: and five Elite eight game between Illinois and Arizona, which
Speaker 1: I still believe is the most depressed I've ever been
Speaker 1: following a sporting event. I've got a lot of those
Speaker 1: depressing moments, uh were Arizona sports. Not not too many
Speaker 1: of them around the basketball hoops team, but boy, um,
Speaker 1: I've been a part of the whole Arizona Tucson scene forever,
Speaker 1: seemingly and still still watch it closely as I can.
Speaker 1: But you know, growing up in Arizona, growing up in Tucson,
Speaker 1: following the Wildcats and going through the whole deal. When
Speaker 1: I was at school there, I was a public address
Speaker 1: announcer for the baseball team. I probably saw a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty, as they called him back in the day,
Speaker 1: six pack games for for the Wildcats. So it's in
Speaker 1: my blood, it's in my DNA, and um it's it's
Speaker 1: it's fun. So I was. I just wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of talk through your career. You mentioned it already. Not
Speaker 1: a lot of people got into broadcasting from the University
Speaker 1: of Arizona. Everybody out of the state of Arizona basically
Speaker 1: went to Arizona State and Walter Cronkite in the school there.
Speaker 1: They do such a great job. How did you get
Speaker 1: into it? What was your path into broadcasting, you know,
Speaker 1: through the University of Arizona. You mentioned some of the
Speaker 1: internships and some of the stuff you did there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm very disappointed that we get the
Speaker 1: Arizona State in there already in this podcast. But anyway, um, now,
Speaker 1: you know it was the best part about my Arizona
Speaker 1: education was the journalism. I was a journalism major and
Speaker 1: the journalism department at you have A is exceptional. Always
Speaker 1: knew it was. Had some friends of my sisters who
Speaker 1: went to the Arizona who were in the journalism department,
Speaker 1: So that was on my radar. There just wasn't there
Speaker 1: wasn't really a broadcast you know, division there or department
Speaker 1: there to kind of sink your teeth into. So I
Speaker 1: started off the journalism, you know, learning the who, what, why, when, where,
Speaker 1: and the real fundamentals of writing, which I still used today.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Some people thinking, get into this
Speaker 1: television business and you stopped writing, and you don't. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've realized that. But look and back. I just
Speaker 1: did as much as I could in school as possible.
Speaker 1: I was on I was a sportswriter for the Arizona
Speaker 1: Daily Wildcat. I covered all the sports there, and then I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was a public address announcer for
Speaker 1: the baseball team, and I just started working my way
Speaker 1: through there. My first job out of school was a
Speaker 1: job in radio. I did news. I had to get
Speaker 1: on the air some way, shape form. I had to
Speaker 1: get live and get comfortable with that part of the
Speaker 1: broadcast business. So I did radio for two and a
Speaker 1: half years in my hometown at two Center, Arizona, and
Speaker 1: then I got the the opportunity to go to k
Speaker 1: v O, a TV where you um you had you
Speaker 1: spent some time, and that was just a really good,
Speaker 1: solid number one NBC affiliated. Hey listen, I've got you
Speaker 1: know all these tapes. I've got fifty tapes stacked up
Speaker 1: in the corner of my of my office here, and
Speaker 1: these are all from people that have had at least two, three,
Speaker 1: four five years experience in the business, and I was
Speaker 1: just a radio guy at two soon and I said, well,
Speaker 1: if you just let me get on the set and
Speaker 1: give me a little audition with my buddy there, who
Speaker 1: I knew at the time was John Hook, who have
Speaker 1: to come and remained good friends with do the year.
Speaker 1: Can you just let me get on there and do
Speaker 1: an audition? And he did. I said, if it sucks,
Speaker 1: you can jump in the lake and I'll never bothery again. Um,
Speaker 1: so I did it. I got a call from the
Speaker 1: next day, and you know, a long story short, I
Speaker 1: got hired there and got my start in television. So
Speaker 1: and then from there I went to see an in
Speaker 1: sports and met my wife, and from there I went
Speaker 1: to NBC, which is crazy because we went there at
Speaker 1: the same time from CNN and uh, twenty seven years later,
Speaker 1: here I am talking to you. So that's the thumbnail version. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's uh. I mean, it's interesting to hear you say.
Speaker 1: The writing thing. I talk a lot about this. I
Speaker 1: mean I wrote it for the years in a daily
Speaker 1: Wildcat for four years, and writing was my pedigree. I
Speaker 1: wrote online after that, I wrote for y'all who sports
Speaker 1: and CBS, And I really feel like the writing thing
Speaker 1: helps you with your broadcasting. I mean, I write my
Speaker 1: scene sets, I write the stuff that I say on air.
Speaker 1: When I'm preparing to write these things, it's something my
Speaker 1: producer Mark Loomis has hammered home. I mean, make sure
Speaker 1: you write it so it feels like it's in your
Speaker 1: own words. And I feel like you probably do a
Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff, and uh, it does it.
Speaker 1: It really, in a weird way, has helped me. And
Speaker 1: and this sounds so broadcasting, but it's helped me kind
Speaker 1: of find my voice because it's a it's a helpful
Speaker 1: it's a helpful thing to have as a small tool
Speaker 1: kind of in in the in the pack of things
Speaker 1: we use about it. Um, you use it even if
Speaker 1: you're not, you know, physically writing it down or hammered
Speaker 1: it down in your iPad or whatever. While you're up
Speaker 1: in the broadcast booth, you're thinking writing in your head.
Speaker 1: Because the fundamentals that were pounded into me in the
Speaker 1: journalism department at Arizona, where first of all, if we
Speaker 1: made one error, whether it was a spelling area of
Speaker 1: a spelling error of a name, we had to have
Speaker 1: a middle initial on names. That's how much they pounded
Speaker 1: it into your into your head. If you didn't have that,
Speaker 1: forget about what you wrote, you know, how much reporting
Speaker 1: you did, you've got an automatic E which was a fail.
Speaker 1: And so that still is in my head when I
Speaker 1: when I try to get things right, and again we're
Speaker 1: not going to get everything right because there's just too
Speaker 1: much going on in the in the show. Oh as
Speaker 1: you know. But if you go in there with that
Speaker 1: thinking that that is your worst nightmare is to make
Speaker 1: an air or screw up somebody's name, or make basic
Speaker 1: airs that you could really you know, have a you know,
Speaker 1: put a good watch out. Then you're then your head
Speaker 1: of the game. And writing is all a part of
Speaker 1: that because it's what basically comes out of your mouth
Speaker 1: through your brain. And like I said, if you don't
Speaker 1: write it down, you're certainly thinking in the right manner
Speaker 1: of how do you know what's brick by brick? Can't
Speaker 1: tell a guy who's gonna win at eighteen on Sunday
Speaker 1: his whole life story on Friday or even Saturday for
Speaker 1: that moment, you kind of pick here your points in
Speaker 1: an old executive producer at NBC Sports Terry O'Neill once
Speaker 1: told me, it's a brick build your house, brick by brick,
Speaker 1: and that is the That's what I try to do,
Speaker 1: is to just let people know a little bit about
Speaker 1: him or her as we go along, and at the
Speaker 1: end you've got this nice house build. Everybody has comfortable.
Speaker 1: So it is all a part of writing. It's all
Speaker 1: about all about putting a story together. And I really
Speaker 1: feel and I think that's somewhat of a lost art
Speaker 1: with some of the younger people today. I mean it's
Speaker 1: I think that you can easily get caught up in
Speaker 1: just let's just get on the air, you know, what's
Speaker 1: the quickest way, and you know, sometimes we lose those
Speaker 1: those most valuable skills that I think really give a
Speaker 1: broadcaster longevity in this business. Well, I want to transition
Speaker 1: into your year. It's probably been one of the I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I don't want to say strangest years, but it's
Speaker 1: probably been one that you'll you'll look back on and
Speaker 1: really remember. Of course, Johnny Miller departs and Phoenix and
Speaker 1: you have Poulaisinger come in to the seat next to you.
Speaker 1: What's been the biggest difference with Zing joining after you
Speaker 1: had to spend all those years, you know, alongside Johnny Miller.
Speaker 1: It's it's funny they're they're very different, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, there are a lot the same. And I
Speaker 1: say that in the sense of I think of everybody
Speaker 1: out there who we were looking at, and we had
Speaker 1: some really fine quality candidates that were right in the house,
Speaker 1: you know, at Golf Channel, in an NBC that everybody
Speaker 1: knows about that that was coming up and auditioning with me,
Speaker 1: and through the course of you know, some several shows
Speaker 1: that were really good and and and and could have
Speaker 1: done the job as well. But what distinguished Zinger was,
Speaker 1: and you know this well too, is that he he
Speaker 1: doesn't really I don't want to say thank too much,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't really care about what he says in
Speaker 1: the sense of, you know, is this is this right?
Speaker 1: Am I going to offend somebody? And Johnny was a
Speaker 1: lot like that. He spoke from the heart, he spoke truth.
Speaker 1: And sometimes those aren't the flattering of the people that
Speaker 1: were covering, and they can get a little bit um,
Speaker 1: they can sting a little bit, especially to the people
Speaker 1: that are that's being directed at. But but it's important
Speaker 1: it's important. That's what that person gets paid to do.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to agree with it, but
Speaker 1: that is what he's getting paid for, and that is
Speaker 1: his job. You may not agree with it. And Zinger
Speaker 1: is from that same mold. He's going to give it
Speaker 1: to you exactly what he thinks, exactly how he feels.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be you know, sheltered or insula
Speaker 1: did by you know, things that he's worried about repercussions
Speaker 1: from what he says, and that is one of the
Speaker 1: most difficult things for ex athletes to come into our
Speaker 1: business and do. And some never get it, you know,
Speaker 1: never kind of get that part of it. But but
Speaker 1: Zinger has been great. Um, So I would say that's
Speaker 1: that's the that's been the easiest transition, is working with
Speaker 1: somebody like that who's just free form and goes. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's very different. You know, Johnny
Speaker 1: had his way of preparing singers got his way of
Speaker 1: preparing um. But that's what makes this whole mix interesting.
Speaker 1: But he's really fitting well with the guys. And I
Speaker 1: told him right off the bat that that it's just
Speaker 1: been a great fit well. And he's he's massively fun
Speaker 1: to be around. You know that is you know when
Speaker 1: when we we have him now a couple of events
Speaker 1: and when he comes around, every the mood goes up.
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul Easinger is one of those guys that
Speaker 1: can really get every get the most out of everybody
Speaker 1: in terms of energy and entertainment. And I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the quality that's really hard to come by. And
Speaker 1: you know how important that is. If if you enjoy
Speaker 1: working with the people, um that you work with on
Speaker 1: and off the air, man, it's gonna it's gonna come
Speaker 1: across first of all on the air, and it's just
Speaker 1: gonna give the whole morale a totally different feel. And
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe from time to time, we've all
Speaker 1: worked with people that you know are represent a little
Speaker 1: bit of negative energy, um, but there's just none of
Speaker 1: that with Zing. He's enthusiastic, he's passionate about about golf.
Speaker 1: And I've had the great fortune of working with so
Speaker 1: many not only really good analysts, but you know through
Speaker 1: various sports, whether it's Olympic swimming or whatever, that just
Speaker 1: love what they do. Can you can turn onto television
Speaker 1: and it just comes through the set. Like with Rowdy
Speaker 1: Gaines for instance. I mean, he's just a phenomenal analyst,
Speaker 1: but his passion and his enthusiasm is what drives his
Speaker 1: his whole commentary. So Zinger's got that in spades, and
Speaker 1: we all enjoy having him, and he's just he's just
Speaker 1: positive energy and that's always good. Yeah. The time I
Speaker 1: was host, I believe it was three US amateurs ago
Speaker 1: and it was Zinger and Brad Faxtson and myself, and
Speaker 1: Zinger said something on the Wednesday, you know Wednesdays around
Speaker 1: of sixty four, and it's this chaotic day and there's
Speaker 1: all this stuff going on, and you've got papers everywhere
Speaker 1: bast it. So you're not familiar with these guys, right,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like bouncing around in thirty two matches.
Speaker 1: It's it's a wild, crazy fun but it's uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know you can't prepare because you don't know
Speaker 1: who's going to qualify. I mean, you can sit there
Speaker 1: and read about Cole Hammer all you want, but if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get through, you just wasted thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And so it's just kind of the nied of you.
Speaker 1: You're reading everything. And Zinger said something on Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: we went to commercial and he looked at me and
Speaker 1: he goes, bacon, that's a Wednesday comment. I'd never make
Speaker 1: that on Sunday. And it was, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a and it was just it was so great
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a little nervous and you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of my first time doing this and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting next to these two great guys, and uh, it
Speaker 1: just again was it was so polaizing Er, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was it was very light and it made
Speaker 1: me laugh. And and he just has as I said,
Speaker 1: he has a great ability. And I'm so pumped that
Speaker 1: he got the job because I I know, I know
Speaker 1: you two are gonna do such a great job and
Speaker 1: you have in an exciting, exciting stuff moving forward. I
Speaker 1: do want to touch a little bit on kind of
Speaker 1: the hot button topic right now in golf over the
Speaker 1: last well, it's it's really I guess it's it's blown
Speaker 1: up the last week. This has been the slow play issue.
Speaker 1: Bryson came out and said his interesting, i'll say comment
Speaker 1: in his rant last week about this, and the PGA
Speaker 1: tour came out and said they're gonna they're gonna look
Speaker 1: into this. So and in the off season and really
Speaker 1: kind of see if there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: path they're gonna go through. When you're in the booth
Speaker 1: and you're broadcasting this slow play, I feel like is
Speaker 1: the easiest to notice because if you're on a guy
Speaker 1: and he's taken two and a half minute to hit
Speaker 1: a shot, you're sitting there watching every single second of it.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna have to be penalty strokes? I mean,
Speaker 1: what are they gonna have to do to get these
Speaker 1: guys to speed up a little bit? If they actually
Speaker 1: say this is an issue? Yeah, I think uh. I
Speaker 1: think Rory McElroy hit it right on the head and
Speaker 1: Brooks kept it got the ball rolling as well. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you've got it. You've got to give them shots.
Speaker 1: You've gotta give the start giving penalty shots. This it's
Speaker 1: almost like it's not almost they know they can get
Speaker 1: away with this. They can get a warning, they can
Speaker 1: get another warning, and they can be told you're on
Speaker 1: the clock, but they're never but they know that. You know,
Speaker 1: when's the last time a penalty was given out? I
Speaker 1: mean it's been It's been a crazy amount of time
Speaker 1: and a crazy amount of two slow players doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Why why do we even have the rules
Speaker 1: written the way they are if we're not going to
Speaker 1: enforce him And I I'm really disappointed in the way
Speaker 1: that that this has been enforced, with the lack thereof,
Speaker 1: And I think that the players are finally taking things
Speaker 1: into their own hands. We saw keptco, We saw Rory
Speaker 1: mci right nothing. What McElroy said was was right on
Speaker 1: the money. Give him a warning and then you come
Speaker 1: back and if they're still and again it's not an
Speaker 1: easy the issue too to nail down, but I believe
Speaker 1: that penalized these guys. And and everybody knows who the
Speaker 1: guys are. That's no secret. They've been called out and
Speaker 1: you asked the tour players. They know more than any
Speaker 1: you know, better than anybody who's who's being slow out there.
Speaker 1: So it's not a secret who's playing slow. I know,
Speaker 1: it gets a little tricky, and we can sit here
Speaker 1: and talk about it a long time about what's going
Speaker 1: to happen with you know, how are they going to
Speaker 1: enforce it, and who's slow in the group and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but it's it's the time is common. I
Speaker 1: think the players have taken into their own hands. To
Speaker 1: try to try to enforce it. I and I think
Speaker 1: what the Shambo did was great. He just he just
Speaker 1: hit his head on He's still a little bit in denial,
Speaker 1: but I think that he I think his breast conference
Speaker 1: was was fantastic and he said, let's talk about this,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about it with guys that
Speaker 1: are upset with me. And I think that's a good step.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to see anything happen, you know,
Speaker 1: really significantly, until they throw a penalty shot on these guys.
Speaker 1: Then they're gonna wake up. Yeah, I mean it's you.
Speaker 1: You could say it's ten thousand dollars if you're slow,
Speaker 1: and the guys wouldn't even realize that they got the
Speaker 1: money taken out of their account. There's so much money
Speaker 1: in golf right now. The one thing they don't want
Speaker 1: to lose or shots. I mean, that is the easiest
Speaker 1: way to do it. I had Brandon Shamble and we
Speaker 1: were talking about Sergio Garcia a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, with his kind of antics
Speaker 1: on the golf course, he said, find him a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, then maybe he'll notice that. And I feel
Speaker 1: like this is kind of the same. This is This
Speaker 1: is at least in the same vein is if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do something to them to get their attention, say hey,
Speaker 1: you just got doctor shot. There you go. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's the ultimate that's the only way to go
Speaker 1: about it. And I'm just about ready to give my
Speaker 1: two dogs a penalty shot. If you can hear them
Speaker 1: in the background, barking and buttons, They're now on the clock.
Speaker 1: They've been warned and two and two more barks and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, take their food away for the night.
Speaker 1: And I think they just I think they just heard
Speaker 1: me and they stopped. That's really the other wa It's
Speaker 1: very impressive. See this is the booming broadcast voice. Even
Speaker 1: dogs know they gotta lock it up and get it together.
Speaker 1: We have a couple of lame podcast stuff here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a couple of events left in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I am interested and I want to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have talked about this yet
Speaker 1: with Tommy and the crew. When you guys get to
Speaker 1: the Tour Championship, what's the approach gonna be in the
Speaker 1: way you present the scoring. Are you going to have
Speaker 1: two numbers. Is it just gonna be what they're at
Speaker 1: considering they've changed that changed the way the players will
Speaker 1: start the tournament, and it's something we've never seen before.
Speaker 1: What is y'all's approach going to be at the Tour
Speaker 1: Championship when we get to Atlanta. Yeah, that's a very
Speaker 1: good question, Shane. It's something that's that we've discussed a lot,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot going on. It's, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's brand new, and I think just in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: the obviously the emphasis from the start and to the
Speaker 1: finish will be who wins a golf tournament? Right now,
Speaker 1: you've got you've got a seventy two whole stroke thing
Speaker 1: going on as well that is not even going to
Speaker 1: be recognized as a PGA Tour win, which is a
Speaker 1: little bit strange, Not a little bit, it's very strange
Speaker 1: for people just taking this whole fort new format in
Speaker 1: for the first time to think to themselves, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: say Tiger Woods slips into the Tour Championship in the
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eight position. He starts off at even
Speaker 1: parties ten back, but you know he wins, he wins
Speaker 1: seventy the seventy two whole stroke play event, but is
Speaker 1: well back of the pack in the you know, the
Speaker 1: whole the new the new system of starting the ten
Speaker 1: under at the top and working its way down. I
Speaker 1: do think we're going to mention that. I think you
Speaker 1: have to, and I think you've got to stay cognizant
Speaker 1: of the fact that who of these incredible top thirty
Speaker 1: guys for the season who have assembled at east Lake,
Speaker 1: who's got the best seventy two whole stroke score? I
Speaker 1: think you have to recognize that. But with that being said,
Speaker 1: it's not what it's all about. You have to keep
Speaker 1: realizing that this is the season long race. There's a
Speaker 1: reason the guy started the ten under and seven under
Speaker 1: an on down, So that would be the big emphasis.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna do anything graphically to illustrate
Speaker 1: the seventy two whole stroke play event that's kind of
Speaker 1: going on in the background, because I think that's that
Speaker 1: kind of goes against what you're trying to do, and
Speaker 1: that in the end, here was simplify the people at
Speaker 1: home watching the tournament so they could simply watch it,
Speaker 1: no instantaneously who's gonna win by just keeping your your
Speaker 1: your eyes on the leaderboard and the numbers, the adjusted
Speaker 1: numbers at that that are that are going to be
Speaker 1: going by, so that I think that I think we'll
Speaker 1: recognize who's winning seven, you know, over four days. I
Speaker 1: think you have to, and I think we'll be mentioning
Speaker 1: that from time to time. But really, the overall deal
Speaker 1: is Tour Championship winner, FedEx Cup winner, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be one guy, one deal. And that's another thing they
Speaker 1: wanted to emphasize was just one you know, not keeping
Speaker 1: track of two trophies and all that. So but you
Speaker 1: know what, you get into these things and it all
Speaker 1: you know, it'll sound how everyone as we're talking now.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're fully going to realize how it's
Speaker 1: all going to come down and how how it's gonna
Speaker 1: feel until we get to East Lake and get to
Speaker 1: the weekend and just you know, say to ourselves, are
Speaker 1: there going to be any tweaks from here? So the
Speaker 1: only way to do that is I think let's go
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, it's the FedEx Cup has
Speaker 1: you know, it's been adjusted a few times and they've
Speaker 1: they've gone and tweaked things here and there. I personally
Speaker 1: think the idea of one person winning makes sense. And
Speaker 1: if this is the way you have to go about it,
Speaker 1: I think it puts more emphasis on the other events.
Speaker 1: I think it more puts more emphasis on the season
Speaker 1: as a whole. And you know that is the point.
Speaker 1: The point is to make guys care about events that
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't care about throughout the season, knowing that
Speaker 1: they can move up and they can improve. And I
Speaker 1: feel like the FedEx Cup at times um gets flak
Speaker 1: from like the hardcore golf fan. But what like I
Speaker 1: think is after two weeks, we don't really have any
Speaker 1: meaningful quote unquote meaningful golf event until the President's Cup.
Speaker 1: So it's it's in ay, this enjoyed the new format
Speaker 1: and see how it goes. But there's no reason to
Speaker 1: sit there and trash it before we see it, because
Speaker 1: it could be really cool to watch guys, as you said,
Speaker 1: battle in two different ways for one prize. And you
Speaker 1: know what, when we get to the you know, the
Speaker 1: back nine on Sunday at the Tour Championship and you've
Speaker 1: got you know, three big stars going at it, and
Speaker 1: and in the audience clearly knows that, Okay, Rory mcarroway's
Speaker 1: one back, John Rama's two back and Brooks Kepta leads
Speaker 1: for instance. That's all they're gonna be focusing on. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know another five million dollar stone
Speaker 1: and fifteen million dollars. It's going to have some major
Speaker 1: juice to it, and it's gonna be very easy to
Speaker 1: see what's unfolding rather than you know, Steve Sands in
Speaker 1: the Sands in the sandbox. No no offense to Steve,
Speaker 1: but um that that that kind of detracted from the tournament.
Speaker 1: We had Steve, you know, explain what's happening, and people
Speaker 1: are getting used to that format. But I think that
Speaker 1: this is far more simpler and this that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna be. Everything to be focused on is like, okay,
Speaker 1: we we get it and we see it, but you
Speaker 1: know what else is a cool thing. Even going into
Speaker 1: the BMW Championship, which is the penultimate FedEx Cup event,
Speaker 1: you know, they're just gonna be some guys finishing up
Speaker 1: to not only get into the top thirty, but it's
Speaker 1: gonna mean are they starting at you know eight under?
Speaker 1: Are they starting in a group at you know six under?
Speaker 1: So that's going to be a new twist to the
Speaker 1: BMW Championship. That's going to be interesting for us to
Speaker 1: get set for the final thirty and the Tour Championship.
Speaker 1: Where does last year's Tour Championship rank for you in
Speaker 1: terms of golf events You've got a chance to cover
Speaker 1: in your career because that scene on eighteen, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's going to go down as as one of the coolest,
Speaker 1: you know, non major scenes in the history of golf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable, and you know it, you know, be
Speaker 1: honest with you. It was surpassed just a little bit
Speaker 1: by getting climbing the back up of the mountain at Augusta,
Speaker 1: which was just phenomenal. But I thought at the moment
Speaker 1: last year the Tour Championship that who knows if we'll
Speaker 1: ever see Tiger win another major again. I know, the
Speaker 1: hype started, you know, significantly after he didn't win the
Speaker 1: Tour Championship, when it looked like he was going to
Speaker 1: be able to play, you know, enough golf to be
Speaker 1: healthy enough to really make more run majors. But at
Speaker 1: that time, it was it was surreal. It had been
Speaker 1: talked about, it had been basically in people's imaginations that
Speaker 1: Tiger would ever get to that point, including his own
Speaker 1: and just some of the things that were popping through
Speaker 1: my head as I looked back, you know, behind us
Speaker 1: on the tower with a swarm of people who made
Speaker 1: it even more amazing moment. You know, PGA Tour was
Speaker 1: not ready for that kind of uh you know, a
Speaker 1: surge of people that that went behind It looked like
Speaker 1: an open championship. But I remember looking back and seeing that, going,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I don't think I'm ever gonna see
Speaker 1: I've never seen something like this, and I don't think
Speaker 1: i've ever will again. Just the the excitement over this
Speaker 1: guy winning again. And it's funny. As the final put dropped,
Speaker 1: I had it in my mind that I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest, it's one of the greatest
Speaker 1: comebacks in sports history, and it is. I looked at
Speaker 1: the at the tape afterwards the rebroadcast, I actually said
Speaker 1: it's the greatest comeback in sports history, and I thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's a little much. And I'm sure people,
Speaker 1: I'm sure people thought that, you know, what about you know,
Speaker 1: Ben Hogan obviously gets talked about and all these other things.
Speaker 1: But then in the end, as I thought about it
Speaker 1: a little bit more I I would argue with anybody
Speaker 1: get you know, I know that Ben Hogan story was incredible,
Speaker 1: but the multiple facets of which Tiger faced, from public
Speaker 1: scrutiny to the microscope of the media that that Ben
Speaker 1: Hogan could only imagine being swarmed around in his day,
Speaker 1: the Tiger in the ug shot that was put all
Speaker 1: over the world, everything that happened in the physical comeback
Speaker 1: that he had, I think, you know, I would argue,
Speaker 1: you know, give me a better one, you know, in
Speaker 1: the end. So it was, it was. It was one
Speaker 1: of those moments saying that you're you're you're in the
Speaker 1: you're in this right place, right time, You've got your
Speaker 1: crew around you, and you're just hoping to stay out
Speaker 1: of the way and let the pictures, you know, do
Speaker 1: their thing, which is basically what we did. It was
Speaker 1: phenomenal moment that will go right up there with all
Speaker 1: the great moments that I've been privilege should be a
Speaker 1: part of through the years. Yeah, it was. You know,
Speaker 1: when you look at and Tiger, we're gonna remember the
Speaker 1: Masters win and that will be you know, whatever he
Speaker 1: does the rest of his career, Masters will be something
Speaker 1: that will basically stamp home as you mentioned the comeback,
Speaker 1: but he played awesome golf for four months. I mean
Speaker 1: he was in the hunt at the Open, he was
Speaker 1: in the hunt of the PGA Championship, and then of
Speaker 1: course he wins the Tour Championship. Really, if you look
Speaker 1: at his season this year, outside of the Master's win,
Speaker 1: he hasn't he hasn't really been a factor at all.
Speaker 1: So when you think of the way he finished off
Speaker 1: the season, as you said, the win, and we all
Speaker 1: were going, great, he did it. He won something we
Speaker 1: can we can let him sail off. That's all we
Speaker 1: ever wanted the Master's win. Of course Trump set but
Speaker 1: at the time it was it was just a phenomenal,
Speaker 1: phenomenal thing to to see and it was, you know,
Speaker 1: ten years after your call, and you know, one of
Speaker 1: the more famous calls in the history of golf. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you a little bit about it. I
Speaker 1: know you have to talk about it a lot, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but expect anything different. Did that just was that just
Speaker 1: roll off the tongue? Did you think about that before?
Speaker 1: I always wonder with broadcasters because I'm just new to this.
Speaker 1: Is it, you know, is it something you you'd written down?
Speaker 1: Is it something you were thinking before you said it,
Speaker 1: or did it just come to you when the putt
Speaker 1: went in. Yeah, it's get asked about it all the
Speaker 1: time and talk about being the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time. But that was that was that was an
Speaker 1: era in the Tiger era that um that as I
Speaker 1: as he was lining up that putt at Torrey Pines,
Speaker 1: it got just so silent, and I remember just kind
Speaker 1: of looking out the window of the tower and just
Speaker 1: kind of soaking it in. And it was just like
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of people obviously around the eighteen to
Speaker 1: Tory and kind of looking over at Johnny and we
Speaker 1: were just kind of laying out, And what kept creeping
Speaker 1: into my mind was, I think, everybody here expects this
Speaker 1: guy to make it. And I look over Johnny's gotta
Speaker 1: look on his face like this is going down. I
Speaker 1: had the same feeling because you know, we ever seen
Speaker 1: Tiger miss a put that mattered like this, And and
Speaker 1: so it kept coming into my mind subconsciously, like I,
Speaker 1: you know, I expected to make it, and everybody around
Speaker 1: this green expecting to make it, so you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't have it in my mind. I just was going
Speaker 1: to kind of let it, you know, let the put go,
Speaker 1: and as started to go in, it just kind of
Speaker 1: burst out, you know, from from within expect anything different,
Speaker 1: just that that that expectation word kind of took over
Speaker 1: and so that kind of flowed out. And you know,
Speaker 1: not to say that you don't we as announcers or
Speaker 1: at least you know personally, I can say that you
Speaker 1: do kind of think a little bit loosely in terms of, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are we seeing here? And what if so and
Speaker 1: so wins or what if this plut drops? What's the
Speaker 1: feeling here? What is what's the what's the emotion here?
Speaker 1: That you know, you would formulate maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: words in your mind to kind of maybe be ready
Speaker 1: for that moment. But I have really really um stayed
Speaker 1: away from orchestrating anything in that moment at all other
Speaker 1: than just organic feeling of what are we seeing? And
Speaker 1: nothing word for words, certainly, But I will say that
Speaker 1: I have, you know, words kind of creep into your
Speaker 1: mind and ideas um and the word that came up
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight at Tory Pines was expectations
Speaker 1: and expect them and it just kind of came out.
Speaker 1: So that was pretty cool. And sometimes you don't want to.
Speaker 1: You don't want to take away from moments. You try
Speaker 1: to enhance them. And I think our whole crew and
Speaker 1: the way they handled that moment was was pretty much
Speaker 1: bought on you. You said it expectations And when you
Speaker 1: think back, I was watching highlights of that US Open
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and you know, it was a
Speaker 1: bumpy put and it could have not gone in, and
Speaker 1: it did, you know, And you think about Jordan's kind
Speaker 1: of shove off of the Russell and makes the shot,
Speaker 1: and like when he was hanging in the air, You're like,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna miss. You know, he's going to
Speaker 1: make this jumper. It is going to go in. And
Speaker 1: you think about Phelps and reaching, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's just crazy that there are certain guys, there's certain
Speaker 1: any certain women of course in sports, that just had
Speaker 1: the ability two in the biggest moments when all of
Speaker 1: us are like so nervous, we can barely watch this,
Speaker 1: they're capable of pulling it off. And I find it, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you just think about that. I think
Speaker 1: about that with the corn Ferry Tour last week and
Speaker 1: these guys getting their top twenty five cards and coming
Speaker 1: down the stretch, literally playing for their livelihood. I mean
Speaker 1: we follow the PGA Tour a lot, but it's it's
Speaker 1: special when you get to watch sport happen and it
Speaker 1: and it changes lives. You know, yeah, you just you
Speaker 1: hit it on the head. While we all get into
Speaker 1: sports and it's to see these moments and to be
Speaker 1: a part of these moments. That's the best reality show
Speaker 1: going period. And whether it's Simone Biles who just want
Speaker 1: her I believe her sixth national title and gymnastics, I mean,
Speaker 1: what she did and what she does with the pressure
Speaker 1: on is just unfathomable. And the athletes that are able
Speaker 1: to take their games, Michael Phelps, Tiger Gretzky, on and
Speaker 1: on down the list, Steph Curry, you know, Lebrone. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's fascinating to see who's able to perform and who's not.
Speaker 1: And even in like a corn fairy example, like you get,
Speaker 1: how cool is it to be a part of a moment,
Speaker 1: whether it's golf or whatever sport, it is to see
Speaker 1: somebody succeed and client and and get to that moment
Speaker 1: that they've been dreaming about since we were a little kid.
Speaker 1: And try to inject a little bit of personality. Instance
Speaker 1: watching from our perspective, our job and that's what you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I think our biggest job is to do,
Speaker 1: is to make people care about the pole are watching
Speaker 1: and then to have them come through and to have
Speaker 1: the moment just kind of organically happen. And you know,
Speaker 1: like Corey Connors this year at the Villero Texas Open,
Speaker 1: here's the guy, you know, who is he gonna win again? Ever?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I think he will. He's
Speaker 1: he's really good, he's good. He won, but you know,
Speaker 1: he got into the tournament. You know, he qualified to
Speaker 1: get into the tournament. And here's his wife drinking out
Speaker 1: of a you know, a plastic cup drinking at wine
Speaker 1: watching and we just you know, we saw her and
Speaker 1: we and she became such a part of the story.
Speaker 1: But that's the part of sports which is so cool.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a Tiger Woods. It can
Speaker 1: be people on down the list that just make it
Speaker 1: so compelling and such a cool thing to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. All right, Dan, I'm gonna get you
Speaker 1: out on this. I have heard from people that you
Speaker 1: are unbelievable at impersonations, and I know you do I
Speaker 1: know you do some broadcasting ones. I wanted to ask,
Speaker 1: what's your best golf impersonation? Who can you do the
Speaker 1: best in golf? Well, I took a lame shot of
Speaker 1: you know, I think Joe Buck celebrated his fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 1: Some ling I think is that. That's yeah. So Paul
Speaker 1: Azinger and I were in the Open Championship and Zinger
Speaker 1: was the asked thing to do a little piece of
Speaker 1: tape for Joe's birthday celebration to play with the video
Speaker 1: at and he said, would you mind doing something with me?
Speaker 1: And just kind of because I'm just kind of nervous,
Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly. I goes, yeah, sure, I'll
Speaker 1: we'll do something. You know, I did a lame Joe
Speaker 1: Buck impersonation where you know, he welcomes everybody in the
Speaker 1: broadcast booth and you know he's Paul, I'm Joe. So
Speaker 1: we did we did a lame thing on that. So
Speaker 1: I did that. That's my much, my best and worst
Speaker 1: golf impersonation at the time of anybody in the booth. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I have messed around a little bit with
Speaker 1: Verne Lunku was, but it's not a part of my
Speaker 1: regular repertoire. But I do like the way that Verne
Speaker 1: through the years seems to get an octave lower every year.
Speaker 1: You watch the Masters, and there was a time where
Speaker 1: Gee Milka Singh was was playing the Masters and he
Speaker 1: would get to sixteen and all Verne would say is
Speaker 1: molda see and it was like just golden, it was
Speaker 1: just perfect. Jeeves Milk is seen for birdie. It was
Speaker 1: like he's the best. He's just unbelievable about capture at
Speaker 1: the moment. Oh man, he laid out on sixteen when
Speaker 1: Tiger made birdie and he walked to seventeen tea and
Speaker 1: Verne just said nothing. He just said nothing. The camera
Speaker 1: followed him to the tea at seventeen and I was
Speaker 1: watching that thing. I was like, what an unbelievable as
Speaker 1: you said. He he can he can hit it with
Speaker 1: three words and gets out of the way. And every
Speaker 1: time he does it, I'm like, this is poetry. He's
Speaker 1: so good at you know, we go around and we
Speaker 1: go around and round a little bit. Okay, Who's who?
Speaker 1: What's the best golf call ever? In my book, it's
Speaker 1: in your life? Have you seen anything like that? I
Speaker 1: don't think that that could have been captured any better
Speaker 1: in the moment with what he said. When he said it,
Speaker 1: the timing of it was perfect. It was like, it's
Speaker 1: just I get Goose, I'm thinking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: forget about the yes, sir, and I mean that that
Speaker 1: moment and the what and what he said was as
Speaker 1: good as it gets. And that's just it encompasses what
Speaker 1: Verne Lunk was is all about, talk about feeling the
Speaker 1: moment and letting it happen in your life. Have you
Speaker 1: seen it? No, it just came right out of him.
Speaker 1: It was It was fantastic. I gottahead, you got it.
Speaker 1: You gotta do Joe. I want to hear the Joe
Speaker 1: and then I'll let you go. No man, because you
Speaker 1: know Joe is probably gonna listen to this play. I
Speaker 1: don't really do Joe. That's the thing. I just I
Speaker 1: came out and I said, welcome to the broadcast booth.
Speaker 1: Every one. He's Paul, I'm Joe. Um, you know I
Speaker 1: did this like totally. Like you can have Joe show
Speaker 1: you the the video of that and you can have
Speaker 1: fun with that among yourselves. But maybe, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: later on when I hear Joe a little bit more
Speaker 1: I can, I can kind of go public with it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I got a great I got
Speaker 1: a great amount of respect for Joe. But tell you what,
Speaker 1: I just played golf with him earlier this year. Talk
Speaker 1: about a fun guy to hang out with, and he
Speaker 1: hits everything. It's unbelievable. He was nursing a thumb injury
Speaker 1: when I played with him earlier this year, so I
Speaker 1: didn't see his full game, but I talked to Zinger
Speaker 1: and some of the guys are, yeah, Joe is good,
Speaker 1: And I think didn't he I think he was in
Speaker 1: the finals of Yeah he was. He was in this
Speaker 1: club champion, Yeah, yeah, because I think, yeah, I think so. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're getting way too deep into
Speaker 1: Joe's game right now. But um, he was a pleasure
Speaker 1: to hang out with. So we were watching the Masters
Speaker 1: and they were down in Butler cabin and we we
Speaker 1: had that we had we had the incredible privilege to
Speaker 1: go down there and play around in augusta National together,
Speaker 1: and we stayed in Butler cabinet and we went down
Speaker 1: and hung out, and Butler count on NaNs and all
Speaker 1: these years they you know, presenting the Green jacket. So
Speaker 1: we're smoking cigars down there, right, So I get a
Speaker 1: text from Joe Dause we're watching the Masters. He goes, hey,
Speaker 1: they're they're down on the basement where we smoked cigars.
Speaker 1: Did they ask us to take a go down there?
Speaker 1: You know? Just funny stuff like that. Pretty funny. He's, well, Dan,
Speaker 1: I pretty good luck the next couple of weeks. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be fun to watch. I know, I know you could.
Speaker 1: I know you've been on a crazy run your Northern Ireland,
Speaker 1: South Korea and now you're in Chicago. Is that right
Speaker 1: or your head? Yeah? Not too many directs from Port
Speaker 1: Rush to Soul, South Korea, but we made we made
Speaker 1: that happen and um yeah, and then now it's BMW
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and then we do obviously East Lake will
Speaker 1: wrap it up and then we kind of slow things
Speaker 1: down before revenue up a little bit towards the end
Speaker 1: of the year. But Shane, one more thing, man, I
Speaker 1: think I think you're one of the real rising talents
Speaker 1: in this business. I'm not just saying that. I speak
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, and uh, I've been watching
Speaker 1: a lot, looking a lot and it's you guys. Are
Speaker 1: you're you're part of a great crew and guys have
Speaker 1: made such great strides as because of you in there
Speaker 1: and Joe and the rest of the guy. So I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of Mark Loomis. He's a member of
Speaker 1: my same club. And um, you guys have a great
Speaker 1: group of people together. Well, I appreciate that's very nice
Speaker 1: you to say, Dan Hicks. Make sure you watched this
Speaker 1: week and next a lot of golf on. They've got
Speaker 1: a five days of the Amateur. We've got we've got playoffs,
Speaker 1: wine and down, a lot of options and uh and
Speaker 1: the DVRs will be hot and heavy this week. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Have a great next couple of weeks. It
Speaker 1: looks like a big thanks to Daan for taking some
Speaker 1: time out of his week. Obviously, a couple of FedEx
Speaker 1: Cup playoff events left, including the Tour Championship, so a
Speaker 1: busy man with the with the finale of the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour season, we'll be busy this week. A reminder Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: Friday FS one and then Saturday and Sunday the US
Speaker 1: Amateur on Fox, Big Fox. Brad Faxton and I are
Speaker 1: gonna be in suits for those two days and I
Speaker 1: brought a tie that hopefully doesn't get as much criticism
Speaker 1: as the one I had at the U S Senior Open.
Speaker 1: I was kind of got dragged through the mud there
Speaker 1: on on social media about one of my ties, so
Speaker 1: I left that one at home and I brought a
Speaker 1: couple of less loud ties for this event. A big
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Speaker 1: the US am Or Champion joins us here on the clubhouse,
Speaker 1: so check for that. Have a great weekend. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of golf on TV, so hunker down
Speaker 1: on the couch and prepare as we finish up our
Speaker 1: twenty nine season here at Pinehurst.