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Speaker 1: the newest episode of The Giants Little Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is John Schmelt. Today's guest from Pro Football Focus Trevor Sikuma. Trevor,

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Speaker 1: good to see him, man, John. It's always gonna chopping

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Speaker 1: other podcast platforms as well. All right, Trevor, let's talk

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Speaker 1: some draft here, my man. We are inside a month now,

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Speaker 1: which is very exciting. The draft nights literally a month

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Speaker 1: from the day we're recording this. I'm curious of your

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Speaker 1: you know, when I first got on the PF, there's

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Speaker 1: you at five or seven. We'd love the pair you

430
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Speaker 1: with Andrew Thomas. We think we'd have two of the

431
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 1: best young offensive tackles in the game. How would you

432
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,159
Speaker 1: feel about going the right tackle? You hear what he

433
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Speaker 1: says about it, You hear his mindset, because if he's

434
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Speaker 1: got a worker's mindset, if he has got a yeah, dude,

435
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,080
Speaker 1: let's like let's go to work, like let's be the

436
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 1: best too offensive tackles in the NFL. Then you go, Okay,

437
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,680
Speaker 1: we got some willingness there. Then you talk and talk

438
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Speaker 1: to your offensive line coach and you say, okay, look

439
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 1: at his tape, look at his body, look at his

440
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 1: potential flexibility. Where is he? Is he a high waisted guy?

441
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,960
Speaker 1: You know? Can he get down into his stance? Is

442
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 1: it gonna be difficult to switch him? If you will?

443
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of dominant work with one hand?

444
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 1: Do you think that he's weaker on one side or

445
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: the other? What do you think is projection? Is So

446
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 1: you gotta talk to your offensive line coach who's gonna

447
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 1: be the one working with him as well. Then maybe

448
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,159
Speaker 1: get some outside advice. Maybe there's some offensive line specialists

449
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 1: that know what they're doing with with exactly how to

450
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,880
Speaker 1: make that transition a little better. So it just comes

451
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Speaker 1: down to that's an interview part of the draft processes.

452
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 1: You figure you kind of figure out, Okay, do we

453
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 1: have a chance to really succeed with this guy switching

454
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 1: positions to feel left or right tackle? Because I've talked

455
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Speaker 1: to offensive lineman before and it is definitely not as

456
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Speaker 1: easy as Madden makes a scene. You can go into

457
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Speaker 1: a player's bio and you just switch left tackle the

458
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: right tackle and then he just figures it out. It's different. Um,

459
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: one offensive lineman told me it's kind of like wiping

460
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Speaker 1: your butt with the opposite hand. You know, you could

461
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: do it just feels really awkward sometimes. So that's just

462
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of the way it is. You've got to learn

463
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Speaker 1: your new technique and have new instincts going the other way,

464
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Speaker 1: and so it's a process, no doubt about it. But

465
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Speaker 1: I don't think the air aid concern is nearly as

466
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Speaker 1: big of a concern as some people make it out

467
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Speaker 1: to be. And also, there's a way that you can

468
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Speaker 1: move guys from left right tackle. It certainly happens all

469
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Speaker 1: the time. You just gotta figure out if this is

470
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Speaker 1: a good instance. All right, Here, here's a funny scenario.

471
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Speaker 1: Let's say Nil and a quanner off the board. Cross

472
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Speaker 1: gets to five, but that also means somebody else is there. Right,

473
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: You're either gonna have your top edge there, you might

474
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Speaker 1: have Sauce Gardener there, and maybe you have those guys

475
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Speaker 1: rated as a better player than Charles Cross. But here's

476
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: the problem. You the Carolina Panthers sitting there at number six.

477
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Speaker 1: So how cute do you get then? Because you all

478
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Speaker 1: know the Panthers have an offensive tack on need right,

479
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Speaker 1: do you pick a player that maybe has a little

480
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Speaker 1: lower grade at five because you don't think you'll be

481
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Speaker 1: there at seven? How do you think you kind of

482
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Speaker 1: play that game if you're Joe Shane there in in

483
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Speaker 1: the war room on draft night. So I've never had

484
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Speaker 1: live bullets of a pick really come at me if

485
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Speaker 1: you I've never been in the GM's chair, So maybe

486
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Speaker 1: it's maybe it's different if you're in that moment. But

487
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Speaker 1: I would probably play the game a little bit. And

488
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Speaker 1: you know, the further you get back when you when

489
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Speaker 1: you have two close picks, if you will, just it

490
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Speaker 1: magnifies it, just it multiplies how risky it is. But

491
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Speaker 1: this is just one, right, right, right right, Five to

492
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Speaker 1: seven is just one. So if you want an offensive tackle,

493
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Speaker 1: Like if you go into this draft saying, okay, we

494
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Speaker 1: really would love to get an offensive tackle, I'd probably

495
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Speaker 1: pick the offensive tackle at five, even if say Sauce

496
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Speaker 1: is a little bit higher on the board. Because Charles Cross,

497
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Speaker 1: we figured if you're gonna pick him at five, he's

498
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Speaker 1: probably gonna be in your top five or six players.

499
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Speaker 1: So it's not like you're taking this dude that's way

500
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Speaker 1: for far down your board, because if that's the case

501
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Speaker 1: as well, you're still you're probably picking the guy who

502
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Speaker 1: you got want to three on your board who might

503
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Speaker 1: be available. So if it's close, relatively close, I'd be

504
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Speaker 1: picking the offensive tackle because Carolina, it seems like it's

505
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Speaker 1: coming down to a couple of things really, either quarterback

506
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Speaker 1: or offensive tackle. If they and if the board was

507
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Speaker 1: the way that it was, where Charles cross is the

508
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Speaker 1: only guy who is still available, you look at Carolinas

509
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Speaker 1: situation and you say, Okay, there's no way they're trading

510
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Speaker 1: back with someone who let's say the Giants really love

511
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Speaker 1: Sauce Garner and let's say the Minnesota Vikings who really

512
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Speaker 1: need a corner at number twelve, or like, hey, we'll

513
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Speaker 1: move up six spots, We'll go get Sauce Garner. We

514
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Speaker 1: want to jump the Giants to go get him. Why

515
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Speaker 1: would the Panthers do that? There's they're like, there's no

516
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Speaker 1: real the Panthers. The Panthers need either an offensive tackle

517
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Speaker 1: or a quarterback. They can't exactly afford to move back

518
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Speaker 1: at that point, especially if there's only one on the board.

519
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Speaker 1: So if they go which else crossed? I think you're

520
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Speaker 1: kind of forcing Caroline to either take a quarterback or

521
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Speaker 1: take a trade that gets them out of six, but

522
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Speaker 1: for another quarterback, I think it's the only way that

523
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Speaker 1: they do that. And so then if you're the Giants,

524
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Speaker 1: you're kind of playing the game a little bit and

525
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Speaker 1: you're getting yourself Sauce Garner if that's something that you

526
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Speaker 1: wanted number seven. So, uh, that is probably in my

527
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Speaker 1: head how I would navigate it if I was in

528
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Speaker 1: Joe Shane's chair, Yeah, so would I. I I agree with you,

529
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Speaker 1: all right? How do you parses edge rushers? I can't

530
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Speaker 1: get as high on the Trayvon Walker band wagon as

531
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Speaker 1: everyone else I see it. But I just I have

532
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Speaker 1: a hard time picking a guy that's gonna play edge

533
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Speaker 1: that I don't see outside pass rush moves on tape

534
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Speaker 1: and I and I don't see him when I when

535
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Speaker 1: when I watch him? So how do you sort him

536
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Speaker 1: with Thibodeau, with Jermaine Johnson? And do you have anybody

537
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Speaker 1: else with those top three there that could be a

538
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Speaker 1: factor for the Giants at five and seven? Yeah? I

539
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Speaker 1: have my own personal rankings, but certainly there are some

540
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Speaker 1: guys on here that I haven't heard love from going

541
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Speaker 1: this high, you know, I think Aidan Hutchinson, cave On Thibodeaux,

542
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Speaker 1: those guys my one two in this draft. For right now,

543
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Speaker 1: I have Cavon Thibodeaux as edge one. I have Adan

544
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Speaker 1: Hudgson just behind him at edge two. I think these

545
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Speaker 1: are two totally different guys as well. So it's it's

546
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: not quite like apples to oranges, but it is it's

547
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different preference with these players

548
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: and where they win and where their strengths are, and

549
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: how you feel like they fit into your defensive line

550
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: in your team and everything like that. So right now

551
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Speaker 1: I've got cave on his edge one. I think those

552
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Speaker 1: are the two guys that are in discussion for the

553
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Speaker 1: top five. But then you throw a Trayvon Walker in there.

554
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Speaker 1: I have Trayvon Walker his edge six. For me, I

555
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Speaker 1: have him behind George CARLOFTI. I have him behind uh

556
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Speaker 1: David o Jabo pre injury, and then um Jermaine Johnson

557
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Speaker 1: as well. So I actually have Trayvon Walkers edge six.

558
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Speaker 1: He's not even one of my top five edge rushers

559
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Speaker 1: in this because I gave him an early second round grade,

560
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Speaker 1: like I thought this would be a great player to

561
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Speaker 1: get in the early part of the second round. You

562
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Speaker 1: mentioned it strong as an ox. He's got incredible get

563
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Speaker 1: off man. Just the blend of size, strength, speed, the

564
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: tools are unbelievable. One of those tools, the edge rushers,

565
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Speaker 1: we have seen in a long, long, long, long long time.

566
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Speaker 1: You know, we we talked to the top of the podcast,

567
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, it's not as strong as a class.

568
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Speaker 1: It hasn't been in years past. Traymon Walker is basically

569
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Speaker 1: as athletic as Jadavion Clowney was, and Jadavion Clowney was

570
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Speaker 1: the was the unquestioned number one overall pick when he

571
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Speaker 1: got selected. And why was he the number one overall pick?

572
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't even because he was this premier, um well

573
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Speaker 1: versed pass rusher. He didn't have all these pastors moves.

574
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Speaker 1: It was simply, you can't pass on an athlete like Clowning.

575
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Speaker 1: You can't do it. You just cannot pass on a

576
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Speaker 1: player like that. Travior Walker was better than Clowney, had

577
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Speaker 1: a lot of his testing and similar size and so

578
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Speaker 1: actually bigger size. So it's kind of wild to see

579
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Speaker 1: where we are. And that's why we're at the point

580
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Speaker 1: where we're talking about Traymon Walker being pretty high in

581
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Speaker 1: this class. But he's not a pass rusher right now.

582
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Speaker 1: He's not. He doesn't have the moves, he doesn't have

583
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Speaker 1: the background, he doesn't have the he doesn't have any

584
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Speaker 1: of that. It's going to be in work in progress

585
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Speaker 1: for you to get a lot out of this guy

586
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Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. And you know, if you're picking

587
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Speaker 1: a guy we hear whispers about him maybe going number

588
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Speaker 1: one overall, two overall, you're picking a guy that high

589
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: who might not be a tent sack guy for you.

590
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Speaker 1: I mean, like I I don't I don't know, I

591
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: don't know. So that's just that's that's kind of tough

592
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: for me. That's why he is a little bit lower

593
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: in my rankings. But I see the allurement with everybody.

594
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Speaker 1: I'm just very surprised that we're as gung ho about

595
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: him going that high um as we seem to be

596
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Speaker 1: at this point in time. Well, I think I think

597
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Speaker 1: what it is Trevor, honestly, in a class where you

598
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Speaker 1: don't have the guys that necessarily have the combination of

599
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: athleticism and production, I think guys are just swinging for

600
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Speaker 1: the fences right there. See Okay, well, who can I

601
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: see becoming a star if everything goes right, and with

602
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Speaker 1: his testing and the athleticism on tape, that is my

603
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: guess as to what the alora's there. Yeah, no, I

604
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: would agree with you it. It's definitely a class that

605
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: we seem to hear teams are swinging for the fences

606
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Speaker 1: more than playing a safe because, for example, I think

607
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Speaker 1: one of the best prospect in this draft, I think

608
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: one of the cleanest prospects in the draft in this

609
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: draft is Tyler linder Bomb, the center from Iowa. He's unbelievable.

610
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: You watched Tyler liter Bam tape, you go, it's damn

611
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: center and there's just not I mean, he's a maller

612
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: in the run game, he's so quick on his feet

613
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: in the past game. He can operate in so many

614
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: different systems, whether it's man blocking, gap blocking, zone blocking,

615
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call. Whatever you're putting him in, he's

616
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: gonna succeed. He's got the wrestling background to him, so

617
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: he's got that incredible core strength, he's got that flexibility,

618
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: he's got that balance. He there. I love Tyler Liner

619
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Speaker 1: Bama is a prospect so much and I'm thinking that

620
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: there's a chance this guy might not might not even

621
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Speaker 1: go in the first round, which is nuts to me.

622
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Speaker 1: Short arms are scaring people a little bit. I know,

623
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Speaker 1: I I get the size is a little bit of

624
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: an issue. But pop on the tape, man, he does

625
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: what he needs to do. I mean, Brian Allen is

626
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: somebody from Michigan State long time ago. Now he's starting

627
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: for the UH, for the for the Los Angeles Rams.

628
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: Like when he was coming through, it's like, all right,

629
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: this guy is too short, and I'm like, yeah, the

630
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: short guy his natural leverage, man, I mean you play.

631
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: You watched him play with strength. He's hiking the ball

632
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: and then he's hiking you up. He's getting right under you.

633
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, first center, I don't really care about

634
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: size that much, not as much as I would other

635
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: positions along the offensive line. So all that to say,

636
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: it seems like that player, one of the safest in

637
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: this draft, is getting pushed further and further and further

638
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: down mock drafts and down the board as we hear

639
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: not a lot of buzz from other teams. And yet

640
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: you've got guys like Travon Walker, guys like Malik Willis,

641
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: who are now these top ten caliber players because teams

642
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: want to take the swing at the bat, they want

643
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: the home run, they want the long ball, And I

644
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: think that that's just the way that it seems like

645
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: this class is shaping up to be. All right. So

646
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: what's your feel for the quarterbacks then, because I think

647
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: the Giants, if they could, would love to trade down

648
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: in stack picks right there are kind of in the

649
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: building the beginning of a new era. You want to

650
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: get picks. You mentioned, we'll see what the quarterback gives.

651
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: You want to stack picks until you find that quarterback

652
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have for a long time. So

653
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: do you think there could be a trade down opportunity

654
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks and foul Coins now in the top

655
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: ten needing a long term quarterback? You mentioned the Panthers

656
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: st Steelers, who knows if they might fall in love

657
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: with somebody. Do you think that opportunity could be there

658
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: or do you think they're gonna end up making those

659
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: picks at five and seven. No, I think that that

660
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: opportunity could absolutely be there. And we asked Joe Shane

661
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: about this at the combine, and you know, he talked

662
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: about obviously, like all the phone lines are open, we're

663
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: trying to make the best deal that we can to

664
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: have the best draft that we can. I think that

665
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. And you know this is true for

666
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: any team picking any player, but it gets multiplied a

667
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: lot more when you talk about quarterbacks when you only

668
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: need one team. Right, we can sit here and say, well,

669
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: the NFL, it's not a consensus that they love Kenny Pickett,

670
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a consensus that this and that.

671
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: But if one team loves him enough to come trade

672
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: up for him, that's all it takes. It doesn't matter

673
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: whether what the other than the thirty one NFL teams are.

674
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: If you can get a deal with one team to

675
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: get a really good price to move up and and

676
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: and make something happen, then that makes sense. So you know,

677
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: it's just it's I think Malik Willis how is the

678
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: most hype right now and seems to be the only

679
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: quarterback teams would be gunning for. And I think you

680
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: mentioned the teams that might be really interested in him, Uh,

681
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Steelers, the New Orleans Saints, the Seahawks

682
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: sitting right there, the Panthers at number six, right and

683
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: and there's I think a handful of other teams that

684
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: would be interested as well, but those those teams seem

685
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: the most desperate. It seems like all of those teams

686
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: would be in on trading up for Malik Willis, but

687
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like at least they would be desperate

688
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: enough to trade up for someone else. It's not like, Okay,

689
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: we can trade up and we'll get either Kenny Pickett

690
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: or Malik Willis. I don't I don't feel like those

691
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of the conversations that these teams are having.

692
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: It feels like Willis is the home run hit that

693
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams want to take a swing

694
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: at the bath for. And that to me, that as

695
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: an outsider's perspective, that kind of seems like where we

696
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: are with this quarterback class, which tells me it has

697
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: to be a draft Knight trade, right because you never

698
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: know how high you're gonna have to get to get

699
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that.

700
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a little bit deeper here, Giants

701
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: also pick Um with the fourth pick in the second round.

702
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: Where do you think the depth will be? You know,

703
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I think corner o t Edge, those

704
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: are the three Pamius spots that John's looking at five

705
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: and seven, Well come in with two. So where do

706
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you see the depth of those three spots at the

707
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: top of that second round? Edge rusher is is what

708
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I go to immediately, and I don't know exactly how

709
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna shake out, but I gotta think that with

710
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: a very high pick at the top of the second round,

711
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a chance to get yourself a really

712
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: nice edge rusher. There's guys like Sanders from Cincinnati, Boy

713
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: Mafe from Minnesota, Drake Jackson from usc who is a

714
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: player that I like a lot that seems like nobody

715
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: is talking about, which is kind of crazy to me.

716
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: Are Lit the k d from Penn State as well,

717
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: Like there's you know, like there's there's all of those players,

718
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: and I think there's a good chance that one of

719
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: them would be available there for you. If you like

720
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: kings Ley ning Bari that much from South Carolina, he

721
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: might be you know, he would be there as well.

722
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: He's some sort of a Day two pick wherever you

723
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: you view him. But I think that if you look

724
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: at edge rusher, offensive tackle, and corner, the one that

725
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: is most likely to get you an impact player at

726
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: the top of the second round is edge rusher, because

727
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: I think that it just feels like one of those guys,

728
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: one or two of those guys gonna be available at

729
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: the top of the second round. There could be some

730
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: good offensive tackles as well. Bernard Raymond could still be

731
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: available at the top of the second round, depending on

732
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: how teams knew him. Like Daryan Cannard's a really nice

733
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: inside outside, versatile player that could play on the right

734
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: side of the line for you. So, like, I think

735
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: there's gonna be options. Daniel Felele, the offensive tackle from Minnesota,

736
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: the massive mountain of a man there. I think that

737
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: you could probably get him at the top of the

738
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: second round. So there are some options with offensive tackle.

739
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't I just I don't like them as much

740
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: as I probably will edge rusher when it's all said

741
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: and down. The corner man, I don't know. We can

742
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: have a we can have a corner run early in

743
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: this first round. You might get to the back end

744
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: of the first round, early part of the second round,

745
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: you may go, wow, where did all these forms go? Like,

746
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: it's just not the it's not the same as what

747
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: it was before. So I probably rank it edge rusher

748
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: off its tackle cornerback as most likely the least likely

749
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: that you get an impact player there at the top

750
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: of the second round when there's the cornerback cliff fall off.

751
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: How many people do you have on top? And then

752
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: at what point are you just finished? I think you

753
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: know once you get so Derek Singley, my Garner, those

754
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: guys are at the top, Trent mcdumphia, I think he's

755
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: right after them. Then you start getting into kyer Elam

756
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Booth, who I like, you know, Trent, I guess

757
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary is probably gonna be able, but be available

758
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: at the top of the second round. And that's a

759
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: really nice coverage player that you get the top of

760
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: the second round. I think they'd be a really good pick.

761
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: You're talking about arm like he's got really short arms.

762
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure he's gonna be a first round

763
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: pick because you can being the second highest corner graded

764
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: in coverage that we had a profoball focus man. I mean,

765
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: he is, he's a very good corner, but he's also

766
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: the thing about McCreary too, is that he's inexperienced in

767
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: the slot. He's he never played the slot before. He's

768
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: only played on the outside, and that's where teams might

769
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: want to put him as a because the short arms, right,

770
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: and so like, even if you say, like, okay, he's

771
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: got short arms, we can put him in the slot,

772
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: just realize he's going to be an adjustment period because

773
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: not only has he not played in the slot at all,

774
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: he's only been playing corners since he got to Auburn.

775
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: He's only been playing corner for four years. So he's

776
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: still learning all this stuff. You know, he's it's it's

777
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: it's still a learning process for mccluary. But if what

778
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: you get this past year was him while he was

779
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: still learning, he's a damn good football player. So I

780
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: think that he is going to be a really good

781
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: player in the NFL. It's just you've got to keep

782
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: that in mind when you've got him on your board.

783
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon's another one from Washington, and I think could

784
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: be up there as well. I think Darrien Kendrick the

785
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: Combine times and the Proday times they were not good

786
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: for him. So I'm not so sure he's gonna be

787
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: a second round guy anymore. But I would say that's

788
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: probably where it falls off. For me, is right after

789
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: Roger mccuary, because then you got a handful of guys later,

790
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: like a Mario Goodrich from Clemson's a player who's who's

791
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: who's good, and he's talented to Rik Woolen, which is

792
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: the in insane alien of an athlete that everyone's going

793
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: to kind of cove it somewhere on day two. You

794
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: just don't know where. But he as well is very

795
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: green at corner and you've got to do a lot

796
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: of work with him to make sure that you're getting

797
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: the most out of that athletic ability. So I'd say that, yeah,

798
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: the cliff is probably right after McCreary and Kyler Gordon,

799
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: depending on who's going first. I think after that it

800
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: starts to say you start to take take some real

801
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: risk with the guys who are the guys that maybe,

802
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: excuse me, you like in this class that maybe other

803
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: people aren't quite as high on, and maybe even PFF

804
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: isn't quite as high that you're like, you know what,

805
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: I watch this tape. I believe in this guy. Look,

806
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of coming around a little bit.

807
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: But on to my own horn. In January, I put

808
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: out a wide receiver ranking, and I said George Pickens

809
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: from George's wide receiver two? From me, I think George,

810
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: I think George Pickens? Why receiver two? In this class?

811
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: I had Drake London at wide receiver one. That was

812
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: a little bit hot take even during the season when

813
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Nope, this guy's awesome. So I have

814
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: Drake London and why does she ever one? And then

815
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: George Pickins and why is she r? Two? And the

816
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: people were like, who is George pick You'd never see

817
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: him in the top to anyway. And I'm telling you, man,

818
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: just go put on the tape. He looks like dude

819
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: we're talking about as a freshman and sophomore. Is the thing.

820
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: This past year was his true junior season, and he

821
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: missed most of it because his tore. He tores a

822
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: c L in spring ball a year ago last March,

823
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: so he missed most of this season that we just

824
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: saw from Georgia comes back on for the SEC championship

825
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: game and then the title run that they have, and

826
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: he played a little bit as he got more healthy

827
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and he got more confident in his knee. But the

828
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: tape that you go watch that is really awesome, that

829
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: has a lot of really great highs is him as

830
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: an eighteen nineteen twenty year old like this dude was

831
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: dominating as an eighteen nineteen year old in the SEC

832
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: for a passing offense that stunk, I mean fall and

833
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: every time they needed a big play, an NFL type play,

834
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: they threw it to their NFL type receiver. So I

835
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I just when I watched George Pickens, I

836
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: see a player who has size, strength, speed. You mentioned it.

837
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: He gives you flash the AJ greenwereing that Georgia uniform.

838
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Because of how dominant that he's been, I think he's

839
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: a fantastic player. I'm not saying a J. Green's a cop.

840
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: You know, A J. Green had one of the greatest

841
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: starts to wide receiver career in NFL history was what

842
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: was seven six seven straight one thousand yard season or

843
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: something like that. Unbelievable. But I'm not saying George pick

844
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: is gonna be that. But I am with you that

845
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: he definitely dominates on that Georgia tapes. So he's a

846
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: player that I seem to be a lot higher on

847
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: than a lot of people. All Right, let's go the

848
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: other way. A guy that besides travon Walker room. We

849
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: talked about him that everyone is all, yeah, we're on board,

850
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: and you're just like, sorry, guys can't do it. I

851
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: think I think the the offensive tackle class outside of

852
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: Cross Equantum and Neil, you know, I've seen some love,

853
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: for example, for Trevor Penning, the offensive tackle for Northern Iowa,

854
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: and I think that I actually think that Penning is

855
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: going to be a decently high Giants target. If I

856
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: can like put together the hints of like what I've heard,

857
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, in interviews at the Combine and everything, I

858
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: think they're really gonna like him because he's durable, he

859
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: is a mean son of a gun. His personality fits

860
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: the Shane to correct and his and his athleticism as

861
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: well as the Combine really shine. But I've seen mocks

862
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: with him maybe going to the top ten to the Giants,

863
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: maybe right outside that, in the top fifteen. And I

864
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: think that Trevor Penning is a good player. But I'm

865
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: pumping the brakes a lot on him going that high

866
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: just because I watched him at the Senior Bowl. And

867
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: this is a guy who where he has a lot

868
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: of starting experience coming from Northern Iowa. It is a

869
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: much lower level of competition, and when he came to

870
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, his outside shoulder is getting exposed a lot. Man,

871
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: he just was not used to speed off of the

872
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: edge like that and really being able to protect that

873
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: outside shoulder and get back into his slides and make

874
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: sure he gets in front of people, locks people up,

875
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: isn't holding him all that kinds of stuff. So I

876
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: just saw when I was at the Senior Bowl, was like, Okay,

877
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: obviously I saw the tape that everybody else does where

878
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: he's punishing guys, he's throwing under the ground. He's a

879
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: racing and making these major finished blocks. But he is

880
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: a guy who keep coming back to his like, I

881
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: am not as rich on him as everybody else kind

882
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: of seems to be. I think that it's going to

883
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: be a steeper learning curve for him to be a consistent,

884
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: solid starter in the NFL, which I think his ceiling is.

885
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Thinks just a little bit further away from that than

886
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: people are than people are mentioning right now. So if

887
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: you're a GM, you're thinking about him more in the

888
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: team's early twenties, Yeah, I would. I would be much

889
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: more comfortable taking Trevor penning in like the twenties and beginning, honestly,

890
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: beginning of the second round than I would in the

891
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: in the top half of the first round. I don't

892
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: think a team is going to have that luxury. I

893
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be off the board by then. But

894
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: for my kind of grades, in my eyes, I would

895
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: have felt better about him as a late first early

896
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: second round player rather than a top fifteen player. Alright,

897
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: final question, Trevor, give me your Giants picks. I'm gonna

898
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: make it tough on your five seven, and then give

899
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: me their second round pick as well. What do you got? Okay, alright,

900
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: so let's build. Let's build the perfect draft here that

901
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: I think the Giant to have. We'll go off into

902
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: tackle at number five, and I think it's most likely

903
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: at this point in time that Evan Neil would be

904
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: their pick. I think that I think the Ike Quantu

905
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: is going to be the first offensive tackle on the board.

906
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: At least as we are recording this podcast, it feels

907
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: like that's going to be the pick there. I know

908
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the Jets are pretty in on him, and of course

909
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: some teams above them, you know, whether it's the Houston

910
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Texans or maybe even the Jaguar is at number one.

911
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: I don't really think so anymore. I think they're all

912
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: considering Ikey a quantu. I think that it would be

913
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: hard to believe that he is gonna make it to

914
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: number five, but I think that Evan Neil does. So

915
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I'll say Evan Neil at number five. I'll say Sauce

916
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Garner at seven. I think they're gonna love him. I

917
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: think they're gonna really have a big time CB need

918
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: and they're gonna want to fill it right away, and

919
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna look at, Okay, what might our options be

920
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: in the top of the second round. Let's kind of

921
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: plan this thing out, and I think they're gonna like

922
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: what they see at potential for edge rusher more than

923
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: they are going to like it at corner. So let's

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Speaker 1: go Evan Neil at five, Sauce Garner at seven, and

925
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: then at the top of the second round, I'm gonna

926
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Speaker 1: go Drake Jackson. I brought him up. He is the

927
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: outside linebacker edge rush player for USC who I think

928
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: has been really great throughout his three years of playing there.

929
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: He just didn't have that breakout season. He just didn't

930
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: have that big next step. But I think it's there

931
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: for man. When you talk about the flashes of get

932
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: off bend flexibility, he get his his talent to attack

933
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: that outside corner as a speed rusher. I love when

934
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: he brings to the table. I really do. So. I

935
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: don't think BOYF is gonna be thereof was there. I

936
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: think that he would probably be the pick at the

937
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: top of the second round, but I think he's gonna

938
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: be gone by then. So let's say Drake Jackson, Evan

939
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Neo Sauce Garner Drake Jackson for the New York Giants.

940
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Speaker 1: That's a pretty good Trevor. I like it. Tell the

941
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: folks about where they can find your stuff, about your

942
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: podcast and anything else you want to get out there.

943
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: For me, Yeah, hande Phil Draft Podcast, NFL Stock Exchange,

944
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: myself and Connor Rogers coming to you three days of week.

945
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. We're doing a ton of

946
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: mock drafts, are doing guest mock draft series. We're doing

947
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: all sorts of scouting reports, everything you need to know

948
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: about this class, and then of course everything over at

949
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: PF dot com. Go check out the mock Draft simulator

950
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: if you haven't yet. It's a great way to have

951
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing a mock draft for either

952
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: your team or a first round mock draft or whatever. Man,

953
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: it's a blast, so everything over at PF dot com, Trevor,

954
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Enjoy the next month that's gonna be chaos,

955
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: and we'll talk too soon, all right, Appreciate it, John

956
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: Thanks Trevor, Sycamore buddy at Pro Football Focus. Again, stay

957
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: tuned the Johnson Podcast as we continue to cover the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. We'll see you next time. Everyone,