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Speaker 2: So the Celtics win Game two one oh five to

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Speaker 2: ninety eight. Shoot poorly, but do enough have an excellent

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Speaker 3: We've got Colin Coward here. We're gonna break it all down.

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Speaker 2: Colin, how much of this to this point, do you

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Speaker 2: view as the Celtics presenting just problems that Dallas can't solve,

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Speaker 1: Well, Kyrie hasn't played. It'd be nice if he showed

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tatum on Iso threes has been horrible and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I this this screams five gamer to me too.

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Speaker 2: They're they're they're they're trying. It's like a bend but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dallas wins game three, Boston wins the next two.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: There's two other topics I want to address won Dan Hurley.

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Speaker 1: So I was told by a really good source today

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Speaker 1: LA is very intimidating to people who don't live here.

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Speaker 1: that to me is a potentially better gig. Wife's happy,

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Speaker 1: My gut is, I don't know why I feel this.

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Speaker 1: He won't take the job, and my feeling is there's

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Speaker 1: The best part of it is the brand in college sports,

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Speaker 3: NBA is different.

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Speaker 1: There's real limitations if you don't have a lot of

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Speaker 2: Like it just seem yeah here because Dan Hurley is

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Speaker 2: Let's just be straight. I want Dan Hurley to go

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Speaker 2: group that has demonstrated a considerable amount of incompetence over

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Speaker 2: the last ten years or so.

431
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Speaker 3: Like they don't have a lot of money.

432
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 2: They let Alex Crusoe walk simply because of money. And

433
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: you know how much the Lakers could have used Alex

434
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 2: Crusoe over the course of the last couple of years,

435
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: Like letting Julius Randa walk for nothing, letting Brook Lopez

436
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: walk for nothing, the whole Magic Johnson fiasco, like the

437
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: disrespect of Tylou during their negotiation to not treating him

438
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: like a championship coach in the summer of twenty eighteen.

439
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: There's like all of this stuff over the last half

440
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Speaker 2: dozen years that would lead you to believe that, Like,

441
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a volatile situation. So I

442
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: want him to go there, But you'd be a fool

443
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: if you if you weren't actually looking around behind the

444
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Speaker 2: scenes and making phone calls. I guarantee you Dan Hurley

445
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: has heard the ugly stuff, and I'm sure that he's

446
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: had some uh, I'm sure he's had some reticence there

447
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: that said, like you said, he gets stoked with his

448
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: boys when he goes on the visit because it's the

449
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers. Man, It's it's it's just there's something,

450
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Speaker 2: there's a cool factor there, right, I think I think

451
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Speaker 2: even just extending it to the scope of NBA history,

452
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: like when they tell the story of Lebron James's career,

453
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: what if you were the guy who coached him for

454
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, what if you made a

455
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: deep playoff runt or if you had have God forbid,

456
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: you won a title or something like that. Like there's

457
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Speaker 2: a there's a level of basketball immortality that I think

458
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Speaker 2: Dan Hurley could be factoring in here as well.

459
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Speaker 1: So the other story is the Caitlin Clark didn't make

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Speaker 1: the Olympics and uh, which which is funny because people

461
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Speaker 1: get you know, the Olympic teams are interesting. When you

462
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Speaker 1: get to the bottom or the back end of an

463
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: Olympic roster, it gets political. I mean, you know, Devin

464
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: Booker made this year's team, Kyrie Irving and Jalen Brown didn't.

465
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Speaker 1: And I think most gms would take those guys. Kyrie

466
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: is the most talented, Jalen's the most versatile. Booker can

467
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: hit shots, and he made it. Steve Kerr's the coach.

468
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, Phoenix is in the West. I mean, who

469
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Speaker 1: knows why. I mean, sometimes the guys you want to

470
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Speaker 1: you want to coach a guy, you want to create

471
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Speaker 1: a relationship with a guy, like we all know that

472
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Speaker 1: Laytoner made it. Michael didn't one Isaiah on the team.

473
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Speaker 1: It got political, so Christian later made the team.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Diana Tarassi right now for the women's team is not

476
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Speaker 1: as good as Kaitlyn Clark statistically, but she's been there before.

477
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Speaker 1: She's a she's just kind of the glue of the league.

478
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Speaker 1: And at the end, there's better players in the league

479
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Speaker 1: than her, including Kaitlin Clark, and they put her on.

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Speaker 1: But here's my bigger takeaway that if you were a player,

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Speaker 1: a woman's player for the Olympic team, wouldn't you want

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark on the team because it'll double the TV

483
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Speaker 1: ratings The average sports fan. Sports fan doesn't know this.

484
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Speaker 1: Our women's basketball team has won seven straight goals. They

485
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Speaker 1: don't lose games like they're like the dream team. Every

486
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Speaker 1: single Olympics, I think they've won like eight of nine

487
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Speaker 1: to nine of ten. They're completely our most dominant team,

488
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Speaker 1: and most people don't know that because they don't watch.

489
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Speaker 1: They get about six to seven million viewers, they get

490
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Speaker 1: fourteen or more with Caitlin Clark. And my takeaway is

491
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Speaker 1: when Connor McGregor came to the UFC, you wanted to

492
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Speaker 1: be on the undercard because people saw you, including Monster

493
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Speaker 1: Energy Drinks or you know, Pens Oil. Whoever, when Tiger

494
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Speaker 1: got on the tour, you wanted to be in a foursome,

495
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Speaker 1: you know, you'd get a sponsor. If I was on

496
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Speaker 1: that team, I'd be like, yeah, put her on the team, eyeballs.

497
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Speaker 1: So to me, it's as if it's being established that

498
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Speaker 1: the players didn't really want her. And my take is,

499
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Speaker 1: I think the agents of the other players are probably like, what.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing my forward?

501
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Speaker 1: Who's going to be a rotational player in the Olympics

502
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Speaker 1: gonna have fourteen million people. Those are the kind of

503
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Speaker 1: players that benefit the stars always make their endorsements. So

504
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Speaker 1: that was my first take is that don't make this

505
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Speaker 1: Caitlin against the women. I think most of the women

506
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Speaker 1: in the league know, even Angel Reese knows, you know,

507
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: rising tide lifts all boats. I am surprised, however, that NBC,

508
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Speaker 1: who pays all the money for the Olympics, right, that's

509
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Speaker 1: how Olympics generate their revenues. The TV partner didn't get

510
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Speaker 1: on the phone and go, hey, could you do us

511
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Speaker 1: as solid you know, well, well write you check that part.

512
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Speaker 1: If I was NBC, I would be like, guys, we're

513
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Speaker 1: TV partners, We're paying all the bills. That was my

514
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Speaker 1: takeaway that NBC should be pissed, And I actually think

515
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Speaker 1: she'd be good for the other girls even if she

516
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Speaker 1: didn't play. What was your initial thought.

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Speaker 2: I saw your tweet and I thought that was the

518
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Speaker 2: perfect takeaway. Like from a financial perspective, it just made

519
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Speaker 2: so much sense to have her on board, even like

520
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: from a competitive standpoint, like if I was the girls

521
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Speaker 2: on the team, I'd be like, yeah, I want to

522
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: kick her button practice every day, you know what I mean?

523
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: And that before we go any further. That's been the

524
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Speaker 2: most frustrating thing for me watching the entire Caitlan Clark

525
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Speaker 2: saga over the past month and a half. Like what's

526
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Speaker 2: happening to her is something that has happened to every

527
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Speaker 2: talented young player that's entered a.

528
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Speaker 3: Professional basketball league.

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Speaker 2: Ever, Let's pretend you play in the WNBA and all

530
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Speaker 2: you do when you turn on your TV or when

531
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Speaker 2: you look at your phone is hear about how amazing

532
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark is.

533
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Speaker 3: You don't think you want.

534
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Speaker 2: To test your abilities against her, Like this has happened

535
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Speaker 2: at the NBA level constantly. We've all seen when Patrick

536
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: Beverley like straight up tried to punk Lonzo Ball on

537
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: national television because Lonzo Ball had all that hype coming in,

538
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: like there's nothing exceptional happening to Caitlin Clark, and she

539
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: doesn't think there's anything exceptional. She knows like the same

540
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: thing happened to her when she first went into college.

541
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Speaker 2: People try to step up to it to people try

542
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: to pick her up full court, people try to be physical.

543
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: This is so normal and it's being made into now.

544
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: The political side of things has grabbed a hold of

545
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Speaker 2: this and it's gone completely off the rails, which which

546
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: is crazy to watch. Like a Caitlin Clark is a

547
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: competitor who is going into the most talented and by

548
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 2: the way, this league doesn't have very many teams, which

549
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: means it is completely stacked with talent. So like it's

550
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: just a really difficult spot that she's in, and she's

551
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: in her team has some limitations and all that kind

552
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: of stuff as far as the Team USA thing goes,

553
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: Like she's there's the basketball case. It's on the fence right,

554
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: Like you could argue if you were making a list

555
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: of just the twelve best women's basketball players in the world,

556
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: she's on the fence and probably should be left off.

557
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: But to your point, throughout every single national like it's

558
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: like Anthony Davis being on the on the redeem team,

559
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: right or the team in twenty twelve, right, Like sometimes

560
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: you just bring the super young talented kid along. Yeah, energy,

561
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: and and like there's no there's no reason not to

562
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: bring her. And I don't buy the excuse. The excuse

563
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: that's like, oh, when she doesn't get playing time, her

564
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: fan base will be ravenous, Okay, by all means, then

565
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: leave her off the roster.

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Speaker 3: That'll go just as well.

567
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Speaker 2: Like like it like I didn't understand the whole, the

568
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: whole kind of backlash there, because again, she should have

569
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Speaker 2: been included, but there was a reasonable case for her

570
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Speaker 2: not to be included. I loved her response today, how

571
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: she's like something to strive for. Hopefully twelve it's four

572
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: years from now. Hopefully they they they include me. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just wish people understood the

574
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Speaker 2: basic competitive dynamics that are taking place, because it's really

575
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Speaker 2: nothing special that's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just I mean, we know the Olympics,

577
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, this is something else to remember about sports.

578
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend about this. The NFL

579
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Speaker 1: decides we're going to give Netflix Christmas, you know, the

580
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: main you know, not everybody loved that. Not the other

581
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: networks loved it. But Christmas is big and everybody's home.

582
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Speaker 1: We're going to get a streaming giant Christmas. Those are

583
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: good games. They've never had Wednesday games before. They last

584
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: year they went to Peacock. What a shock. They put

585
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes on Peacock. They wanted another streaming giant to

586
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Speaker 1: do well because those are ascending businesses. Amazon got its

587
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: best schedule so very clearly in the last year, the

588
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: NFL has said, yeah, we're going to streaming. It's a business.

589
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: FIFA is a business. I mean, the Olympics held a

590
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Summer Olympics in Soshi. Never been there, but you know,

591
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: when you think of Sydney and Barcelona, you don't think

592
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Speaker 1: of Soshi as a summer retreat. So it's like people

593
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: tend to get very precious, especially people who cover a sport,

594
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, like I know it. I've covered this for years. Yeah,

595
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: too close to the forest, like baseball writers and not

596
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: all certainly, but those that argued against the pitchclock, well,

597
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: baseball's infinitely more watchable. Attendance is up again this year.

598
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: TV rating her up the games now if you get

599
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: good pitching, they're two and a half hour games. They

600
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: fly by. It's a much better television product, and the

601
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: baseball writers push back in it. It's like sometimes I'm

602
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of these almost with this religious veracity,

603
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: this kind of like I know this sport, it's business.

604
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: All this stuff. The NFL schedule, Jason, you don't think

605
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: they put Aaron Rodgers worried about his health. They got

606
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: him all over September games in October to a point

607
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: where it's competitively unfair. He's got short weeks, night games,

608
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: they got mahomes playing every day but Tuesday. Like, we

609
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: understand this stuff. Money greases, it lubricates all of it.

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Speaker 3: So I just thought, guys, this is what are.

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Speaker 1: We doing here? You want more people to watch the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark's television gold. And I also, I'll say that

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Speaker 1: beyond the fact that you know, she's probably not one

614
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: of the twelve best players, I do think in this

615
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: three ball era you could certainly make an argument she's

616
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: not like just the defensive big You can always throw

617
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: a three point shooter on the back end of any

618
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: team in the world and be like, yeah, whatever, Like

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Speaker 1: her game kind of fits. Being the last person to

620
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: make an Olympic roster or frankly, make any roster if

621
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: you just got a guy that can shoot.

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: So I.

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Speaker 1: Her response was really good. I'll say it again. We're

624
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: freaking out more than she is, Like she's she's kind

625
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: of I would say this, she's built for all this stuff.

626
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Speaker 1: She's really been good about it.

627
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, to take it further, she's been so far in

628
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: a way, the best college basketball player for at least

629
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Speaker 2: the last two years, if not longer. She's probably as

630
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: a competitor, loving like the challenge every day, waking up

631
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: like I need to figure out this league, and like

632
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: to have a big moment like she did in the

633
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: last in the last game where she goes for what

634
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: thirty eight and seven or whatever. Yeah, by the way,

635
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: putting over twenty thousand people in an arena for two

636
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: really bad teams at the bottom of the WNBA stand

637
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: things which to your point, like like, I don't know

638
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: why if you were a player on the team USA team,

639
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: why you wouldn't want Caitlyn on the the on the

640
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: on the roster just so that you get more exposure

641
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: while you're playing overseas. But it is what it is.

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00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: I I'm with you. She's she's handling it like a champ.

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