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Speaker 1: expanded universe. It's the Cheetah Girls episode of the Bechtel Cast. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For let's get some formalities out of the way. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Dronte, and

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Speaker 1: this is our movie podcast where we take a look

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Speaker 1: at your favorite movies using an intersectional feminist lens. Uh.

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Speaker 1: going sub sections. Um. So, this episode has been a

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Speaker 1: Book Club. It's Karama Dunqua. Hello, Hi for having me.

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Speaker 1: was being an asshole, really was. Yeah. And it was

420
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: like I forgot how intense that insult is because it's

421
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: like Dorinda tries to walk away three times, and then

422
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: Galleria just continues to double down. She's like, well, you

423
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: can't sing. Also, you're poor. Also I hate how you look.

424
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: And then everyone's just like, oh my god, Direnda run.

425
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: She's like it's not optional. It's just like okay, wow,

426
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: just stop over here, right um. And then it's shortly

427
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: after this that Chanelle learns that Dorinda is in foster care.

428
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: So the girls go in further demo recording, but it

429
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: turns out that Jackal Johnson has a different vision for

430
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: the Cheetah Girls that includes the creepiest masks I've ever

431
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: seen in my life, horrifying. They're like, okay, what if

432
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: you were daft punk boat scarier. It's very I think

433
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: it was the inspiration for the ad campaign for that

434
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: movie You're Next. Do you all remember that with all

435
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: those animal faces? Yeah, that was somebody watched The Cheetah

436
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: Girls and was like, haunting, this is haunting. I must

437
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: make a film. I remember having like just I don't

438
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: know that like shot of Dorinda holding the pandamask and

439
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: then tilting her head to the side. I just remember

440
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: that really sticking with me in a negative way. It's terrific. Yeah,

441
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: same exact same. I was like, oh, it's going to happen.

442
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: When I was rewatching this is the moment. Was it

443
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: in the trailer or something? Why did that? Okay? Okay?

444
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Because I was like that shot really hit for me.

445
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: So I had like a like a weird little psychological

446
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: gut punch. Gallery is like this is some bullshit. We're

447
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: not going to wear your masks, We're not gonna lip sync, like,

448
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: come on, Cheetah Girls, let's go. But the others are like, well,

449
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: maybe we're okay with this. We were fine, we'll rebrand

450
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: as Global, get done whatever. Geez were very in that year,

451
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: which is another moment where I I like the other

452
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: three Cheetah Girls, I'm like what They're like, what we

453
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: should do it? We should sell out? What are you doing?

454
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: And then I was like, wait a second, I'm not

455
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: on their side. I guess I was of two minds

456
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: because I'm like, on the one hand, I feel like

457
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: they should talk about it as a group and it

458
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: shouldn't be them, I think, to use Dorinda's term, rubber

459
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: stamping Galleria's decision. But on the other hand, and like,

460
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: you all are actually a creative group. You're not just

461
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: like lip syncing too pop songs on the radio. Their

462
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: four team, they're writing and producing their own stuff. God

463
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: knows how. They are very wealthy, though it did established

464
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: the at least half of them, three quarters of them

465
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: are rich because because Aqua, like got sent from Houston,

466
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: and she can afford to take taxis everywhere. She's afraid

467
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: of the subway because she hates the subway. Yeah, so

468
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: she's wealthy enough to afford to live in New York

469
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: City apparently by herself, and then um take taxis everywhere.

470
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: She does have to feed her twin every once in

471
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: a while. I do remember, though in the books that

472
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: maybe her dad was gone a lot on business, and

473
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: that might have been one of the reasons that we

474
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of her home life, because it

475
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: was the two of them, Angie and Aqua that we're

476
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: often together and they had each other and we're very

477
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: tight knit. Which now without Angie there, it's just Aqua

478
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: being alone with her hot sauce, and I know it

479
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: makes me kind of sad. Yeah, so I guess that

480
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: she I like went back into the there is a

481
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: wiki for but like that. Yeah, like Angie and Aqua

482
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 1: lived with just their dad. I'm not sure where how

483
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: do they mom is dead? Okay, maybe so so their

484
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: mom has died. They live with their dad, but their

485
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: dad travels a lot, so they're on their own quite

486
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: a bit on the Upper West Side. But there was like,

487
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, this ended up. I was expecting

488
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: to come to this episode being like this, this adaptation

489
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: is wholly unfaithful. Um, but not I mean down to

490
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: like the like in the books. I didn't remember this,

491
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: but I guess Akwa carried around hot sauce in the

492
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: books as well, and like there was there was there

493
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: was a fair amount carried over. I was like, okay, alright, alright.

494
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: It made me feel like very cool because my mom

495
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: would carry hot sauce in her bag and I was like, oh,

496
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: my mom's like this cool character from this book. I like,

497
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: maybe my mom is not that uncool. After all, she's not.

498
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: My mom is very cool. I just was whack as

499
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: a kid and I was just like everything my mom

500
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: is yah um okay. So the other Cheetah Girls, they're like,

501
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: we're cool with doing this Global Get Down rebranding thing,

502
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: and Gallery is not. So the Cheetah Girls kind of

503
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: more or less breakup or like Galerie breaks away from them.

504
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: And then one day, Galeria is out walking her dog Toto,

505
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: and she spots a poster for Global Get Down, so

506
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: she thinks that like the other Cheetah Girls had like

507
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: gone ahead with this deal, and she feels very betrayed.

508
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: But then Toto gets loose and he falls in a

509
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: hole in the sidewalk and chaos erupts around the city

510
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: of New York. Cops show up, fire people show up,

511
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: the press shows up, there's an enormous traffic jam. It's

512
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: it's everything is chaos in New York City. But then Chanel,

513
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: Aqua and Dorinda show up to help Toto. Also, everyone

514
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: at school shows up because they were in the middle

515
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: of the talent show. But this emergency was so severe

516
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: that they had to cut power around the city, so

517
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: the power went out during the talent show to wrap

518
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: that gallery is rush that I was. I watched it

519
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: three times because you're just like, what is going on here?

520
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: It's just That's another one where it was a little

521
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: bit imprinted inside of me because when he was like

522
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: come on, come on, I was like doing the shout back.

523
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: He was like come on, and I was like, yeah,

524
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: come on, and then I was like stop it, don't

525
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: encourage him, and then he just ends it so like

526
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: it's just such a like generic. It's just so generic

527
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: where he's like and my DJs got into play his

528
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: beat and then it just like cuts away and you're like,

529
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was watching that and I was like,

530
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: thank God, the power is gonna get And I will

531
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: say earlier, when they were about to do the audition

532
00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: Mackerel and who Derek, Yes, Mackerel is the name that

533
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: truly stuck with me in that duo, the two of

534
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: them were making a big deal about having to switch

535
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: their audition time slots because Mackerel had to go to

536
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: the orthodontes and they had real instruments that they needed

537
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: to set up, and I was just like, where are

538
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: these alleged real instruments in this moment? But then at

539
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: the end. He's a good Derek is a guitar god,

540
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't come into play in his actual

541
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: Not only is he a white rapper, he's also a

542
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: legendary rock guitarist and my d is going to play

543
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: his beat. I was just like, I can't get over it.

544
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: They're also in that scene where they're trying to switch

545
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: the times. There was just another funny character you've never

546
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: seen name where Chanelle. I don't know why. She's kind

547
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: of like, oh, let's switch to the time, but she's like, no,

548
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: we should switch the time. Mrs Almanac needs to look

549
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: at my history paper. I was like, Mrs Almanac, I

550
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: literally on my notes, I just have written really big

551
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Mrs Almanac. I was dying. I was like, that is

552
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: just bold to be like, oh, history teacher character or

553
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: history teacher character, Mrs Almanac perfect. I love it. I

554
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: hope that's in the books. I have no idea, but

555
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: whoever don't remember that, but I hope it is too.

556
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: It's great whoever wrote that line, or even if Adrian

557
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Baylan improvised it, it's genius. Oh good grieve. Okay, So

558
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: Total is still in the hole and they can't get

559
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Toto out of the hole. So the Cheetah Girls starts

560
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: singing to him, and because it's been set up that

561
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: he responds well to their music, it works. He's there

562
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: able to coax him out of the hole and the

563
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: day is saved. But the Cheetah Girls are still broken

564
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: up question Mark and Galeria realizes that their friendship is

565
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: the most important thing. So in a very what I

566
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: felt was an extremely Titanic moment. Remember in Titanic, when

567
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: the musicians are playing as the ship is sinking and

568
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: then they say they're goodbyes are like, let's go the

569
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: ship is about to sink. Let's just go off and

570
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: split apart. But then one of them stays behind and

571
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: keeps playing, and then the others are like, well, what

572
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: else are we going to do? So then they come

573
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: back and join him. And this happens in Cheetah Girls

574
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: as well, where Galeria starts singing and then the other

575
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Cheetah Girls join in. Because their Cheetah Girls Cheetah sisters

576
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and inspiring. They all I love. Even when I was

577
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: a kid, I'm like, wow, they really were all wearing

578
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: the matching outfit. That was the wild part to me,

579
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, right, there's a talent show.

580
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: But then I remember they were not going to perform

581
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: instead talent show, So why are they matching? Is it

582
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: just the power of sisterhood? I they could feel it.

583
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I love, I love, I love that moment. I did

584
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: appreciate the detail of Dorinda's matching outfit, looking just a

585
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: little shittier than everybody else, just a little bit, because

586
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: presumably she had to make that herself, like I guess yeah,

587
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: or like or like thrift shop at like she's Macklemore,

588
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Macklemore Mackerel. The connections, there's everything is

589
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: It's all there, Okay. So then they get back together.

590
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: They're singing in the street with the crowd that has

591
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: is still there on the streets for some reason, and

592
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: the other girls are like, no, we didn't take that

593
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: global get down deal. We're the Cheetah Sisters, and we

594
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: don't break up. And they win the talent show. I

595
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: think is it based on the performance they did on

596
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: the street that everyone saw. Yeah, because in this world

597
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: the news has filmed like a music video, and so

598
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: they see the music video news and then jackals like,

599
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe I missed out. So they win and

600
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: then everyone's happy, and that's how the movie ends. So

601
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then we'll come right

602
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: back to discuss and we're back. Oh boy, where to

603
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: start with the Cheetah Girls. There really is so much.

604
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we've already been talking about the books quite

605
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: a bit. Um. I my my first instinct because I

606
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: don't know. I honestly I was expecting to like this

607
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: movie far less on the rewatch. There's definitely some stuff

608
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: that I still don't like. There's whitewashing elements of the

609
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: movie that are inexcusable. They cut a character for for

610
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: every reason I've been able to find. Was pretty like

611
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: dismissive and not realistic sounding because they were like, we

612
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: couldn't find black Twins, which I'm like, I don't believe that.

613
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I so didn't believe that when I read it, because

614
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I read the same thing and I'm like, okay, but

615
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: it's not like anybody else was a big draw and

616
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: like Sabrina Brian was not a name, you know what

617
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Like Raven was the name. Adrian Baylon was

618
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: a name because she was in three l W And

619
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it was because they didn't want to

620
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: spend the money to make like a parent trap situation

621
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: to Kilee. Yeah, they were like maybe not. And they

622
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: had the three l W people, so they were like, well,

623
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: we got this really great deal on these two real singers,

624
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: so let's bring them in. I felt for the third

625
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: l W. I was like, why why are we not

626
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: bringing the third l W into the mix here? But

627
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: I looked, I looked her. I need to find what

628
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: her name is. She's like a thriving TV actor and

629
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Speaker 1: she it turns out that she didn't need did Cheetah

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Speaker 1: Girls amazing? That makes me really happy because I know

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Speaker 1: they had a whole dramatic three l W fight that

632
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: involved like KFC at one point, like oh like somebody

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00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: three OKAYFC at somebody else there was. It was very

634
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: dramatic and embarrassing for everyone three LW. It seems like

635
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot of I don't know why there's

636
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: been so much three l W Cheetah Girls drama resurfacing

637
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: since Quarantine, but it's a part of the conspiracy. But

638
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: so Noturi, Notton is the third LW. She's doing fine.

639
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: She's in a stars drama show right now. It turns

640
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: out she's actually doing better than the other LW's. I

641
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: also learned that Alicia Keys was asked to be a

642
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: three l W and she was like, I am busy no.

643
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: And the final thing that I learned from just behind

644
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Speaker 1: the scenes, I guess it's kind of fun to know

645
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: is that all like the Cheetah girls didn't get along

646
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: very well behind the scenes. But I guess it mostly

647
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: had to do with the fact that Kiely and Adrian

648
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: already didn't like each other from three LW. So then

649
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: it's a picking side situation exactly. So it's a polarizing

650
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: effect within the group. And then, for god knows why,

651
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Raven Simone took it upon herself to go live with

652
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: Keeley Williams a few months ago and just talk about

653
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: all of it. So I guess if you're interested in that,

654
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: you can watch it. But it was just like the

655
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: messiest I was watching it live. Um, it was just

656
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: the messiest Instagram live broadcast I had seen in a while,

657
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: where Raven was like, Yeah, we're gonna go live and

658
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about fifteen year old teenage drama and

659
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: people are gonna love it. And she was right, she

660
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: was correct, Let's try to do uh so so um,

661
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I was the first thing I wanted to make sure

662
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: was that was that the author, Deborah Gregory, was involved

663
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: in the production of the movie. And it seems like

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00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: she was involved in all three movies. She was a

665
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: co producer in the first two and an executive producer

666
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: on the Bad One. Question Mark, I don't know what

667
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: happens in that one, so so I I was first

668
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: off very relieved and and knowing that it kind of

669
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: like contextualizes a lot of the book makes it in

670
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Speaker 1: so that I was pleasantly surprised at and I'm glad

671
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: that just in general, Dabora Gregory is getting paid. She's

672
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: like a really interesting career where she's like dabbled in

673
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: comedy and she's been like a magazine writer and she's

674
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: written books and like she's just so she's not a

675
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: former model. Also, I don't know, she definitely studied fashion,

676
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: and it seems like her life story kind of mirrors

677
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: Dorinda's in more so in the book. But what I'm

678
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Speaker 1: seeing on the scholarly journal wikipedia um is that she

679
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: was put into foster care when she was three years old,

680
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: and as she was growing up, she started designing her

681
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: own clothes and fantasized about a singing career. So it

682
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: seems like her life mirror Diranda's character quite a bit.

683
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Speaker 1: I don't think I knew about the foster care Yeah,

684
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: I didn't either. Um, I read that because of her

685
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: background in the background she wrote for the character of Dorinda,

686
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: she identifies most with Dorinda of all the characters that

687
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: she wrote. So it's interesting that that's the character who

688
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: ends up being whitewashed in the movies because Debora Gregory

689
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: is a black woman, So to have the character that

690
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: she most identified with be the like white presenting character,

691
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: it's frustrating. It's frustra because I believe that again consulting

692
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: this scholarly journal that, Um, Debora Gregory is biracial, and

693
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: so is Dorinda in the books. Um, and so it

694
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, Dorinda is her her like Avatar. Sorry,

695
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: I watched Avatar recently, the Last Airbender or Horrible One

696
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: the so you know, it's like Derenda's her Avatar. She

697
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: gets in the machine, she comes out, she's Direnda. But

698
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: in the movie. So it's I feel like it's a

699
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: real like twist of the knife to change this character

700
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: so significantly and that's not Sabrina Brian's fault, but I

701
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: just it's such as it brings us such a Disney decision,

702
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I felt like not at all in line with the

703
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: principles set forth in the Disney film The Color of Friendship.

704
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: I will just say, yes, absolutely, that's another one that

705
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: we another popular request of ours in the dcom sphere understandable.

706
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: I think it's the only dcon that has the N word. Think. Um,

707
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: I did read that, yeah, brave there. Yeah, So, I

708
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: mean it's I was especially disappoint because I didn't know

709
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: these details about Debora Gregory's life either. Um, but the

710
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: fact that Dorinda is her and that that is the

711
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: character that the movie elects to whitewash is super disappointing

712
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: and also just I mean, I'm curious on everyone's thoughts

713
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: around just that scene between Chanelle and Dorinda, where Chanelle

714
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: has taken her mother's credit cards, something I've remember very

715
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: clearly from the books. That was a good one because

716
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: in every Cheata Girl's book, for those of you who

717
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: haven't read it, it's like that they're like, I think

718
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: that it's like narrated by a specific character, and so

719
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, so the first one is narrated by Galeria,

720
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: the second one is narrated by Chanelle. I think, the

721
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Speaker 1: third one is narrated by Dorinda, and the fourth one

722
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: is narrated by Aqua. Angie does not narrate any books

723
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: because she's quiet, because she's too quiet, she's too quiet

724
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: to write something down. I justice for Angie. Those books

725
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: are so even just rereading. I reread the first chapter

726
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: that was available on Amazon, and the writing style is

727
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: just like teen girl tween girl, mainlining of like what

728
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: you want to read. It's so fun. But that scene

729
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: with Chanelle and Dorinda where Dorinda like they are are

730
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of talking about race, but then Dorinda kind of

731
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: shuts the conversation down where I think that like Chanelle

732
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you're you're mixed, you're half black, because

733
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Speaker 1: she confuses um Dorinda's a foster mother for her biological mother,

734
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Speaker 1: and then Dorinda supplies by saying, no, like that's not

735
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm not black. I don't know if

736
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Speaker 1: I'm white, I don't know what I am, but I'm

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Speaker 1: a foster child. And then that's kind of like the scene.

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Speaker 1: I just found that to be a very bizarre scene

739
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: like the way it plays out, it just seems to

740
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Speaker 1: be like skirting any discussion. I don't know. Yeah, there's

741
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: also a class element that I think the movie doesn't

742
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: really know how to handle as well. And then following

743
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: that scene is when Chanelle goes back home and talks

744
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: with her mother, who has been dating this French guy

745
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: named Luke. And there's a huge part of the second

746
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: movie Okay, because they're in Barcelona his family, So this

747
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: Luke guys is taking up all of Chanelle's mom's attention

748
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: and and Chanelle is resentful of this, so she's she

749
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: confronts her mother and is like, well, you know, I've

750
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: seen what it's like to not have a mom, and

751
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: she's referring to the fact that Dorinda is in foster care,

752
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, I know what it's like to not

753
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: have a mother, and she's like conflating that with like

754
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: her mother being gone sometimes, and it's like, um, I don't.

755
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's just a very like freshman year

756
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: in high school understanding of all of that. But I

757
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: also submissive of Mrs Bosco, who is Dorinda's foster mother,

758
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: and she calls her mom that scene, so you're like

759
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Dorenda does have a mom, right, Yeah, there's somebody who's

760
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: there who cares for her. And I think that much

761
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: of the Direnda's parents not showing up for things, at

762
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: least my understanding of it, is Drina to harporing a

763
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: sense of shame for not being wealthy, and I think

764
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: that's especially hard for her because she lives very adjacent

765
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: to wealth because Mr Bosco is the super of the

766
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: of the building that they live in, which is this

767
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: very like fancy New York City high rise. And that's

768
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: how she's sort of been able to make people think

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Speaker 1: that she's rich, is because she'll have them drop her

770
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: off there or like meet up in front and she's like,

771
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: this is the building I live in, which is not

772
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: technically a lie, but yeah, I think that the class

773
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: aspect of it is a big deal, and I think

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00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that she hides she's a

775
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: foster kid so much. And it has nothing to do

776
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: with race or anything, and that's and that's Chanel's immediate thing.

777
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, well, we know you had to have

778
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: a little something in you because you could dance, so

779
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: of course you're half black, which is its own problematic

780
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: statement right right right the whole scene, and you're just like,

781
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: oh no, oh no, oh no. Um yeah it's and

782
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: it's like though that element is introduced of I don't know,

783
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: I mean this maybe it's just like this movie not

784
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: maybe like this movie is just I guess not really

785
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: making a class statement isn't really their thing, because it's

786
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: like the Cheetah girls are so like girl power capitalism.

787
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: As much as I love them like that, they very

788
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: fall they may very much fall into that early two

789
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: thousand's like girl power capitalism aesthetic um where they're talking

790
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: about buckets of duckets all the time and like money

791
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: is a part of what they are aspiring for. So

792
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it is interesting to have this class aspect.

793
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: But then it kind of like ends up spluttering in

794
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: this weird way. I forgot that Mrs Bosco comes at

795
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: the end to the Talent Show and that she's immediately

796
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: welcomed into the Cheetah mom like fold, and I thought

797
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: that was awesome, and like I'd forgotten that that happens. Um, Yeah,

798
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's Dorinda's whole character is so just

799
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: strangely handled in this move. Be for reasons that feel

800
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: very like sinister Disney. And then on top of that,

801
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: the storyline they do give her this class storyline is

802
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: also not really resolved or examined in a conclusive way

803
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: right because what happens there is that she works at

804
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: this community center to basically earn credits to be able

805
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: to take dance classes there, so she's become a really

806
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: skilled dancer, to the point where this dance instructor who

807
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: has like a traveling like a touring dance crew, she

808
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: should have gone on the tour dancing and then offers

809
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: her a spot, and then she which would have been paid,

810
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: and she says like, oh wow, it's paid. Great, I

811
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: need that money. But then she kind of backtracks when

812
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: she's talking to her rich Cheetah Girls friends and she's like, well,

813
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm just holding out for you know, Cheetah Girls Cheddar

814
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't understand why you made that choice.

815
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: You just hurt, you just turned away from all of that,

816
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: so now there's no there's no anything. Yeah, I U

817
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: that it was a weird I was like she should

818
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: have also. Now the Cheetah Girls, as much as I

819
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: loved their performance, when total got out of a hole. Um,

820
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: it's not like they're like, okay, and now we're off

821
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: to do this, like they're just kind of actually not

822
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: to not to be the well actually person. The prize

823
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: prize from the Talent Show was studio time, so they

824
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: do get to record, like in a professional demo like

825
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: they would have gotten with Jackal Johnson, but they get

826
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: to do it on their own terms, which I do

827
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: think is a lovely resolution to that issue where it's like, oh,

828
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: we all come together, we're sisters, were a big family,

829
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: and now we get to make our recording studio debut

830
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: without sleazy want to be Matthew Lillard. Right, Okay, so

831
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: that I didn't I didn't even think of that. Okay,

832
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: So that's good. But the movie doesn't make it clear

833
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: you're at the end, it's all about the friendship they had.

834
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: It's not about the progression of their career at all. Right,

835
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: It's in the books, I feel like, are more explicit

836
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: about like the goal of they want to be a

837
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: pop group. And then sometimes there's like there was like

838
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: a whole book about girl. Do you remember the one

839
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: that was like it was a whole book about like Galleria,

840
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: Like where's a dog? Caller and then it becomes a

841
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: really popular accessory and then she's like, I have to

842
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: market this. That was a whole book. So sometimes stuff

843
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: like that will happen, but it's career focus. It is

844
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: very capitalistic, the whole thing. Hashtag girl boss to thet.

845
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: It's really girl possi. It's great. Yeah, I had thought

846
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: about the dog Collar one in a long time. That

847
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: was a whole book. Because there's like sixteen Cheetah Girls books, right,

848
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: there's a whole of them. I remember the eleventh one.

849
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: I think it's the eleventh one was the one that

850
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: stood out to me the most. And just going back

851
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: to Drenda's care character and how Deborah Gregory sees herself

852
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: most as Dorinda. That's the one where Dorenda finds out

853
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: that her mother was white because she had this image

854
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: in her head of her mother being this beautiful black

855
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: woman because she knew that she was biracial and she

856
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: knew that one of her parents was black and one

857
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: of her parents was white, she just didn't know which,

858
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: and she had this image in her head at this

859
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: beautiful black woman that looks kind of like her. And

860
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: then she finds out that she has a biosister who

861
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: shares the same mother her. So she goes to meet

862
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: her biosister, and her biosister is like white and blonde

863
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: and looks like Scandinavian and that sort of really shatters

864
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: her world and her view and takes away this mother

865
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: that looks like her and this powerful black woman that

866
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: she feels she has as her ancestor. And that made

867
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: a huge impact on me as like a tween. I

868
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, can you imagine your entire personality and

869
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: not entire personality, but your entire perception of your of

870
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: yourself being shifted like that? And I feel like that

871
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: sort of all the stuff that maybe they were trying

872
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: to get at there. And she's like, I don't know

873
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: what I am and I don't know who I am,

874
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: and that's why being a foster kid is so like

875
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: tough for me. But and this isn't a pre twenty

876
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: three and me world, obviously, we need to remember that.

877
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: But I feel like it was just so shallowly handled.

878
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: It was very surface in that scene, which is which

879
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: is kind of a bummer too, because it's like, I mean, yeah,

880
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: I guess that her like raises not really, I mean,

881
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: she does make that comment to drink like cuts drink off,

882
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: which is another thing of like, oh, let's explore this

883
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: insecurity that she has. And then it just kind of

884
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: doesn't come up again, but where she cuts drink off

885
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I'm the white girl that can dance,

886
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like, are you, like, do we know?

887
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: And and she seems And then especially because they cast

888
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: I did a little bit of research on Sabrina Brian

889
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: and she is she's certainly white passing, but her her

890
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: father is Mexican Spanish and her mother is German and Cherokee,

891
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: so she is a mixed person herself. So it's like,

892
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: you hired a white passing mixed person. So if you're

893
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: going to do like that is very like like you

894
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: were saying, Crol, that's a very Cheetah girls like storyline

895
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: to examine. But then they kind of are just like

896
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: question Mark, question Mark, and it never got to move

897
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: on to the dog in the Hole? Right, And now

898
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: what dogs in the Hole? I don't understand why that's

899
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: the climax of the movie. What does a dog in

900
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: a hole I have anything to do with anything? Anyway.

901
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: It's a bummer because I feel like I mean, I

902
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm very curious of what what Debora Gregory

903
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: thought of that decision. I wasn't able to find a

904
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: quote on it, but you know, it's like, this was

905
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: her character. And then I feel like generally Dorinda is

906
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: everyone's least favorite cheatah girl. Um, so that stinks because

907
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: she has personality I feel like in the film also,

908
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: and maybe the part of that springs from the fact

909
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: that in the book she was actually two years younger

910
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: than everybody, which I thought was interesting that they I mean,

911
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: I guess it's easier to kind of just have them

912
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: all be the same age in the movie, but she

913
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: kind of feels behind in terms of character development, and

914
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: maybe that's what they were trying to get at, but

915
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: it just came off as like she's a little white

916
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: one and all she does is dance. She doesn't sing

917
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: much and she dances, and that's She's cute for the dancing, right,

918
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: which is also confusing because she sings at least as

919
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: much as Aqua does, so it's like, yeah, that seems

920
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: like they're all singing equal parts. It's weird because like

921
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: with Dorinda, she is mostly characterized by her shame. She

922
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: feels around being a foster child. Like that's mainly what

923
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: we know about her, aside from like she's also she's

924
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: the one who can like dance better than everyone, so

925
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: I think like that, And then then we've got Aqua,

926
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: who just like is barely characterized at all except that

927
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: we know that she has she takes a trigonometric class

928
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: and because in the book she wants to be it

929
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: again just like a nod to the book, but it's

930
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: so passing that you're if you didn't read the book,

931
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: you're like, huh, Like she wanted to be a doctor

932
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: in the books. I remember that super clearly, where it

933
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: was like she was like, yeah, I'm a musician and

934
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: like her and Angie were the best singers in the group,

935
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: but Aqua also had this ambition to be a doctor,

936
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: and like she just there was just so much more

937
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: there and it looked horror films. Yes, oh yeah, they

938
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: liked her and Angie did right, Like that was like

939
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: there was the thing. There was so much there. And

940
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: then yeah, I feel like it's kind of like at

941
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: least they get in references to her character, but we

942
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: don't see her home life. I wonder if that ever

943
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: was in the script because it's like the other three

944
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: chee the girls get their side quest as it were,

945
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: and um, no side quest for Aqua except that I

946
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: guess she takes the subway one time, right, and she

947
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: is the darkest, which I'm also like, is this colorism

948
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: or is this just bad script pacing? What I was

949
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: kind of curious as to like if casting I mean,

950
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: no shade on Kiley will Williams. Again, it's not her fault,

951
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: but like that, uh, if the casting of Keiley Williams

952
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: was also colorism because I remember in the books, And

953
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: then I went back to the covers, the original covers

954
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: of the Cheetah Girl books that Aqua and Angie were

955
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: darker than the rest of the group. They were like

956
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: dark skinned. Um, and then Disney Channel did not really

957
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: follow through on that. Much like Dorinda, she was I

958
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: will say, the darkest of the people that were cast

959
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: in the group, but yeah, she's still Killey Williams is

960
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: not like super dark skinned and not in the same

961
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: way that Anti Knoqua were on the covers. It was

962
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: like very clearly and they used the same models for

963
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: all of the book covers, so they were like, oh,

964
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: there's my girl. During the There's My Girl, Galeria, like

965
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: you had your girls on the cover and they were

966
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: much darker. I did some deep dive into because I

967
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: was like, who are the girls and the covers of

968
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: the Cheetah Girl books. I found out, Um, three of them,

969
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't know who's who, but three of them were

970
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: in a girl group named Before Dark. One of them

971
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: was a ballerina, and one of them was on Broadway

972
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: in The Lion King. I don't know, but it's just like,

973
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: it looks like a group. It looks like they like

974
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: did a casting call for a group of like tween

975
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: girls from New York. So there's iconic covers too, I

976
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: like looking. I went back into like a used book

977
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: website to revisit the covers and like, scratch my nostalgia whatever,

978
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: brain what and the covers rock. But anyways, yeah, it

979
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: seems like there's some some fun gery going on there

980
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: as well. Um, let's take another quick break and then

981
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: we'll come back for a more discussion. So I was

982
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: starting to say before the break that I found some

983
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: of the characterization to be a little weird. Um, and

984
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: then with Galeria and Chanel getting more screen time, I

985
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: guess that mostly makes sense because they were like the

986
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: original founding members members that they would get maybe just

987
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more focused in real estate in the movie,

988
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: which I think is generally true of the books. And

989
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: also I'm just like, you know, because Raven, it is

990
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of a funny coinciding plot point that everyone in

991
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: the Cheetah Girls is annoyed that Galleria is the center

992
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: and bigger than everyone else on the poster, because that

993
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: was just also very true of this movie, where like

994
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: everyone knew who Raven was and there was maybe some

995
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: head scratching for the other three if you didn't know

996
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: three l W, which I did not at all. I

997
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: didn't learn of the existence of that girl group until

998
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: I started reading about this movie. That's crazy because they

999
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: have such a good song yeah with a little list

1000
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's their music is so cute because that

1001
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: was when they literally were like twelve or thirteen or something. Yeah,

1002
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: there's a line in there it's like, well, you promise

1003
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: me Kate Spade, but that was last year, baby, in

1004
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: the eighth grade, and I was just like, oh my god.

1005
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: First of all, what young gentleman is promising an eighth

1006
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: grade girl Kate Spade? And why do I have the

1007
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: same taste in handbags as an eighth grade girl. I

1008
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: forgot about that lyric, but yeah, it's like Adrian has

1009
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: maybe she has braces or something, but she has like

1010
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: a little lisp and that it's really it's really cute.

1011
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, Raven was also very much the star of

1012
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: this movie, so I wasn't surprised that Galleria got a

1013
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: gigantic storyline as well. It's all about the dollars. But

1014
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: I think that I think this movie would have actually

1015
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: benefited from being a series, sort of allah the brand

1016
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: new Babysitters Club series on Netflix, because like the Babysitters

1017
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Club movie, I felt was a pale dive into the

1018
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: world of the Babysitters Club, another book series that are

1019
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: super into as a child. Uh, And this new TV

1020
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: show That's Happening is much better and gets into the

1021
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: interior lives of more of the characters. And it's a

1022
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: similar thing where each babysitter had their own books. So

1023
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: it's like Christie's big Idea, Claudia and mean Janine all

1024
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: of that. And I think that the Cheetah Girls probably

1025
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: would have benefited from something similar where we could have

1026
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: seen Aqua and hopefully Angie at home watching horror movies.

1027
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: Wanting to be a doctor, which again in the nineties

1028
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: black girl who's like very clear about wanting to be

1029
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: a doctor. That's actually huge and having that not be

1030
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: like a big where it's just like normal that she's like, yeah,

1031
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: I want to be a doctor. It's like pre Doc

1032
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: mc stuffins too, a show that made me cry the

1033
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: first time I watched it with my little sister. She's like,

1034
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: why are you crying? And it was like she was

1035
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: seeing a doctor and everyone she's fine with it and

1036
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: it's normal, and even the little dictail. We do get

1037
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: with Awkwa's character that she's like a math genius apparently

1038
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: taking a college level Trigg class, Like that's also pretty

1039
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: revolutionary to see, like a young black girl interested in

1040
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: math taking an advanced math class, Like that's not something

1041
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: we very up handedly mentioned. She's like, I have to

1042
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: cabs so I can get to my very fancy class.

1043
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: And another thing that I think this, I mean just

1044
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,959
Speaker 1: putting it in the context of two thousand and three,

1045
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: because we've covered so many movies that are in this

1046
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: like chunk of late nineties into early to mid two

1047
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: thousand's of um even like seeing in detail the home

1048
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: life of a non teen character is huge. I mean

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01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you you talked about it a lot, and

1050
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: you bring it on episode where we didn't get to

1051
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: see any of isis is like life at all outside

1052
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: of what Torrance was exploring and what Torrance felt was

1053
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: relevant to her. And yeah, seeing Galeria at home and

1054
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: seeing Chanel at home is still really cool, especially because

1055
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: we get to see Galerias interracial parents and this like

1056
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: intercultural thing where her father is an immigrant and speaks

1057
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: in Italian. He's like, I don't understand that. The slang

1058
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: and bling bling now that is an instabling, which is

1059
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: adorable and very relatable to anybody who has immigrant parents

1060
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: who are like, wait, no, this is not what you

1061
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: said last week. I just everything's always changing, right, And

1062
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: also that it seems like Galeria's mom is the breadwinner

1063
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: of the family and like she's she's uh, I think

1064
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: this is I also like watched the second Cheetah Grass

1065
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: movie just simply because I wanted to. But she's like

1066
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: a fashion designer, like a famous fashion designer, and that's

1067
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: why they have this huge apartment. And I don't remember

1068
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: if we know what Chanelle's mom does I don't really remember. Um,

1069
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I was kind of. I I kind

1070
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: of forgot that being the huge element of Chanelle's mom

1071
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: where I think it's cool to have like a single

1072
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: parent representation that like rocks. I was kind of that

1073
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: storyline for me was a little all over the place,

1074
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: and I don't really remember. I remember in the books

1075
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: that she took her mom's credit card and spent a

1076
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: ton of money, and that Chanelle like was pretty well off.

1077
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: But I but then she also like resents her mom

1078
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: for being kind of like openly like I want to

1079
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: date a rich guy and this is what I want.

1080
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: UM and her she kind of like is calling her

1081
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: mom a gold digger, but then also is in this

1082
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: very like kid like way. It's like she doesn't like

1083
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: how her mom lives her life but also directly benefits

1084
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: from it, and so it just kind of ends up

1085
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: being a story element that exists. I didn't really know

1086
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: what to make of that. I liked her mom, but

1087
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: then there are also were times where she was kind

1088
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: of neglecting Chanelle to you know, gong like go hang

1089
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: out with rich guys, and I didn't like that. And

1090
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: then when they when their storyline resolves after that Dorinda scene,

1091
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: and Chanelle comes back and she's like, actually, you're an

1092
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: awesome mom. And I'm like, she's not an awesome mom.

1093
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: She's not a bad mom. She's like she feeds you,

1094
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: but she doesn't do other things that maybe could make

1095
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: her an even better mom, Like she stopped paying attention

1096
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: to Chanelle and she now wanted to tell her, like

1097
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: I hit the high Seat with the Cheetah Girls today,

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01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, I have to go and meet up

1099
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: with Luke by. Yeah, she keeps getting bailed on by

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: her mom and then just kind of forgives her mom

1101
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: for doing that without her mom having to do anything

1102
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: or change her behavior, um, which seems like maybe kind

1103
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: of a lucky break for Chanelle's mom. Yeah. Yeah. Uh

1104
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: So we've talked about the whitewashing of Dorinda's character, and

1105
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots to be critical about there, but

1106
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 1: you know the fact that this movie's cast is predominantly

1107
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: women and girls of color, between Galeria and her mom,

1108
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: Chanelle and her mom, Aqua Drinka, and then also like

1109
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: as far as behind the scenes representation, the screenwriter is

1110
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: a black woman named Alison Taylor, The director is a

1111
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: black man named Oz Scott. A number of the producers

1112
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: are black women, so many I loved doing research on

1113
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: the writer of this movie. Alison Taylor was such a

1114
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: pleasure because she has written on so many legendary like

1115
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: millennial children's properties. She wrote the first two Cheeta Girls movies.

1116
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: She wrote on Lizzie McGuire, she wrote on Sister Sister,

1117
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: she wrote on Mary with Children, which I don't care about.

1118
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: She wrote about Clarissa explains it all, and she wrote

1119
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: on doesn't even remember this show A Hundred Deeds for

1120
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: Eddie mcdoud never heard of it, do not. It was

1121
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: about It was a Nickelodeon show. I love it. Okay,

1122
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: so the premise of the show, and I want to

1123
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch it. It It was about a man

1124
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: that was trapped in a dog's body and the dog

1125
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: and the dog had to do a hundred good deeds

1126
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: and then he could be a man again. And so okay, wait, wait,

1127
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: how does the dog do a good deed like Timmy

1128
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: stuck in a well? Like does he have to go

1129
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: Toto stuck in a hole and he has to get

1130
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: the other dog out of the hole basically, and it

1131
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: was one of those scary movies where, I mean, if

1132
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: you google, it was like one of those scary movies

1133
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: that Tariffy or not movies shows that terrified me where

1134
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: they would manipulate, like the dog was talking like a man.

1135
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh I was like, I have to do a hundred

1136
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: good deeds like he was, and the jaw is scary

1137
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: and the eyes are dead and but that was Logistically

1138
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: is it like a puppet like it was on Sabrina

1139
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: or is it like c G I. It's early c

1140
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: G I. It would have been like early two thousands

1141
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: if you look it up. The dog is really blue

1142
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: eyes and they're digitally manipulating his mouth. Anyways, she wrote

1143
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: on that show, I liked that show even though it

1144
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: scared me, and really quick aside, since I talked about

1145
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: Salem the Cat from Subritain to the Teenage, which Nick Backai,

1146
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: who voices Salem the Cat wrote, Paul Blart, mall cop what, Yeah,

1147
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: that is a true fact. Well, so what is the

1148
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: lesson to be learned from that? Like the Salem the

1149
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 1: Cat really loves Kevin James, I could we just give

1150
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: Sale of the Cat too much money? And he felt emboldened.

1151
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean it got greenlit and got a got a sequel.

1152
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: So did we embolden him? Or is this who we

1153
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: are as a nation? That's true, Let's not let's not

1154
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: put the blame on Salem. We were asking for it.

1155
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: But yes, so Allison Alison Taylor. I just it turns

1156
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: out I'm a fan of so much of her work. Um,

1157
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: and yes I was. I was also one of the

1158
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: first things I was like, did they give this to

1159
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: a black female screenwriter? And they did? Disney Channel, well,

1160
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean Disney in general, but but the channel by

1161
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: extension that no one ever makes the right decision there,

1162
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: and in this movie they did. It seems like several

1163
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: times over the authors involved. Whitney Houston is a producer

1164
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: that there is a black director in the first movie,

1165
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: although Kenny Ortega comes in on the second movie, which

1166
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 1: is why the second movie is all dancing, no plot,

1167
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: No shade to Kenny Ortega. I love him, but those

1168
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: are what his movies are like. Um, but on this movie. Yeah.

1169
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: Oz Scott is a director. He directed for Color Girl.

1170
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: For Colored Girls. Also, I didn't have like name recognition

1171
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: for him, but once I looked at his filmography, I

1172
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I know this guy's worked pretty well,

1173
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: and so it was. It was a good team making

1174
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: this movie. I was happy to see that. Can we

1175
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: talk really quickly about Drinka? Yes, yes, First of all,

1176
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: just drink at the character, a wonderful character. I'm so glad.

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember is Drinka in the books? Girl, I don't.

1178
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: I believe Drinka is in the box. I think that

1179
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: she's like a vocal coach or something in the books

1180
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: that like an outside vocal coach and not somebody involved

1181
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: with school if I remember correctly, because the talent show

1182
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: thing is a contrivance for the movie so that they

1183
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 1: can be in school and have all the stuff to

1184
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: be school related when the thing. I like drink of

1185
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: character a lot in the movie. I like how when

1186
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: Galleria is being an asshole, you know, drinking it doesn't

1187
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: stand for it. She's like, all I have is a school.

1188
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: You kids in my word, and you're like, yeah, drink

1189
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: a fuck Galeria. She's being you know, she's being rude.

1190
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:56,480
Speaker 1: The stage name drink a champagne, like just beautiful, incredible.

1191
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: When she started what is that anecdote she starts saying

1192
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: on stage when the rat when the power gets pulled

1193
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: she's talking about like the Captain and Tenniel or something.

1194
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: It's also like, this reminds me of the New York

1195
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: City Blackout of nineteen seven or seven, and they're like, Okay,

1196
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: drink up, all right, give us the history. It's the best. Um.

1197
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: But I also I didn't realize, um until I recently

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01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: saw her speak to it in an interview on Netflix,

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: that the actress, uh, Sandra Caldwell is a very famous transactress. Um.

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not know that. Um. I

1201
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: mean when I saw the movie when I was a kid.

1202
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: But that was kind of what like brought Cheetah Girls

1203
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: back to because you see her, you're like, oh my god,

1204
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: drink I think that though at the time that the

1205
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: movie was filmed and at that point in time, I

1206
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: don't know that she was out as trans. Correct Yeah, yeah, right,

1207
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: she I believe didn't come out until fairly recently. I

1208
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: want to say, there was a New York Times article

1209
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: about her coming out in so yeah, in the last

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: couple of years. Um, she she came out. Yes, she

1211
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: is one of the actors featured in the documentary Disclosure

1212
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: that I keep referring to, in which she was describing

1213
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 1: her struggle of being a transactor but not being out

1214
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: and living in constant fear that someone would discover that

1215
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: she is trans, and that might have meant her not

1216
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: being able to continue to get work, that might have

1217
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: meant the end of her career, that might have meant

1218
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: she was a target for violence, like any number of

1219
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: things that trans people have to deal with on a

1220
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: daily basis. Um. So yeah, she she speaks to that

1221
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: in that interview and in the documentary. Will link to

1222
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: it in our episode description to it's like a really

1223
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: incredible interview and um is worth mentioning inside of this

1224
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: episode because it's also just like, I don't know she

1225
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: it's just such a fun character. She's an amazing character actress.

1226
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: And the added context of knowing, you know, the constant

1227
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: anxiety and stress that she had to be under while

1228
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: consistently turning in these amazing character performances. Um, it's like,

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible, So we will link that. It's frustrating too,

1230
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, if she hadn't had to worry

1231
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: about this, what could she have accomplished? This weren't a

1232
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: fear that she had an a legitimate danger in her life,

1233
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: what could she have accomplished, because look at what she

1234
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: did with all of that totally, and it's it's just

1235
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: mind boggling that on top of everything else that actors

1236
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: have to worry about, that she had to worry about

1237
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: this added like genuine legitimate in like nineteen I mean,

1238
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: I guess at this point it's two thousand three, but

1239
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: still her career from late or early nineties. Yeah, she

1240
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: was an active, working actor. And just the idea that

1241
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: this is something that was a part of this anxiety

1242
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: was a part of her career trajectory is just very upsetting, absolutely,

1243
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 1: and then to to come out as an older person

1244
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: and face a whole new wave of scrutiny and anxiety,

1245
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: and I mean, she speaks to it so like it's

1246
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: just it's an incredible devastating interview because the way she

1247
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: talks about it, she's like, well, I just I just

1248
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: had to do what I had to do and it

1249
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: was stressful, and I you know, like it was hell,

1250
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: but this was the path I had to take. And

1251
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: it's such an unfair it's such an unfair path for

1252
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: anyone to have had to worry about I don't know,

1253
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: and it makes me want to watch more of her

1254
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: work as well. She's been in so much um and

1255
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,879
Speaker 1: hopefully we will continue to be as well. But she's wonderful.

1256
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: Drink A rocks. She's such a funny character at The

1257
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: Countain Antinel well, and I love the sort of loving

1258
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: read that she gives Galeria at the end, where she's like,

1259
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: you got a big heart, you just have to worry

1260
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: about that big mouth of your And it's like the

1261
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: sort of adult, non parental guidance that sometimes you need,

1262
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: because nobody listens to their parents from their fourteen and

1263
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: it's nice to have an outside adult who is engaged

1264
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: in the thing that you want to do, be this

1265
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: mentor to you and teach you like it's okay to

1266
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: be opinionated, but you also need to know when to

1267
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: hold back, and you need to be considerate of the

1268
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: people around you. Part of the Cheetah creto, it really is,

1269
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: and you know she does, drink A upholds the Cheetah

1270
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: credo of you know, expecting adults to treat you with

1271
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: respect because even in her frustration, even in her anger

1272
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: with the girls, she does not ever malign them or

1273
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: be like you're banned from my talent shelf forever or

1274
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: anything like that. She's just like, Okay, if you think

1275
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: this is more important than fine, go do that. But

1276
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: this is something that's important to me, and I am

1277
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: still going to treat it as if it's important to me.

1278
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: And you treat what's important to you as what's important

1279
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: to you, right, And then it comes back around and uh,

1280
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: she's the best. She's very classy, and I love how

1281
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,839
Speaker 1: supportive she is of the girls and their musical talent

1282
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: and ambition. I wish that I don't think that she's

1283
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: in the side. I don't they're not really in school.

1284
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: In the second one, I just wish she came back

1285
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,839
Speaker 1: in those movies. Yeah. Second one is like junior summer,

1286
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: summer after junior year trip to bar Someone were like, yeah,

1287
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: really relatable. And the fact that Dorinda had to use

1288
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: gallery as dad's miles was. I like, how that's how

1289
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: they got around it? And like, what about when she

1290
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: gets there, who's paying for her food? I'll tell you what.

1291
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: She starts dating a count in the second one right away,

1292
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: what which I totally forgot. There's like some count that

1293
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: she meets that it's like, I think you're beautiful and

1294
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: I want you to dance the tango with me, and

1295
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: there's a whole tango sequence. I don't I realize I

1296
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: do not remember a lot about the second movie at all. Wow, Well,

1297
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: speaking of the teen romances, can we talk about Eric

1298
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: and the romantic subplot him? And so it's it's not

1299
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: worth going into that much about it, but it's set

1300
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: up that he he's got this musical duo with his

1301
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: friend Mackerel Machel has an orthodontis appointment. Thanks we're introduced

1302
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: to him because they're also trying out for the talent show.

1303
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: So he pops up every so often in the movie

1304
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: to mostly condescend to Galeria to a greater extent than

1305
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in a movie, where when he's pitching

1306
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 1: the idea of switching audition times, he calls the Cheetah

1307
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: Girls a little project, which is really rich kind once

1308
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: you hear his music, especially right, you're like mat God,

1309
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: men will go to the mat with their mediocrity in

1310
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 1: a way that is never not shocking. Right. Um. Then

1311
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: he he hears that they've gotten a meeting with Jackal

1312
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: Johnson and he tries to one up her by talking

1313
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: about another And I don't know if this is a

1314
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,440
Speaker 1: real musician if this is just one of the inventions

1315
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: of the movie, but some famous musician, he's lying about

1316
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: the extent to which they've interacted. Mackerel calls him on it.

1317
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: He's like, what are you talking about? Bro? Right, it's

1318
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: like you handed him a sugar packet and maybe want

1319
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: way more of Mackerel because I like Mackerel is the

1320
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: real character here. He's not a liar. He's like, I

1321
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: need to go to the orthodontist. Derek handed him a

1322
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: sugar packet, like he's a journalists. Yeah, I need a

1323
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: Mackerel drink. A spin off, Oh my god, where he's

1324
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: like her intern or something also there, And this was

1325
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: another character that I think they made show up in

1326
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: the movie for two seconds to be a little brother.

1327
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, that's Chanel's little brother, right, Yeah, where

1328
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: does he go? Where does he do with their dad?

1329
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: There's a very explicit line in the earlier part where

1330
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Pucci's at your dad's house. I'm going

1331
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: out with Luke and I guess it's supposed to be

1332
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: a thing where it's like Pucci's with the dad because

1333
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: he needs a strong male figure in his life or something.

1334
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: But if they also have him running the light and

1335
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: sound the chard for the audition, like a literal child

1336
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: is running the board and you don't know that it's

1337
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: Pucci At first, I'm just like, what is this child

1338
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: labor that's happening at this high school who's also condescending

1339
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: to the Cheetah girls. He does mag them, this eight

1340
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: year old next to Cheetah girls. I have kind of

1341
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: I think that this is at very least a Disney

1342
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: Channel Trent, but I think it might be a stock

1343
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: character that expands beyond the Disney channel of of like

1344
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: precocious little Brother specifically, where it's like a brother who

1345
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: is secretly a tech genius who shows up for plot reasons.

1346
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: This is like Huge and Lisie McGuire, But it comes

1347
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: up in a lot of kids shows where it's like them.

1348
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: If it's a show about a teen girl, there's often

1349
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: a bothersome little brother around who knows how computers work.

1350
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: I also think it's very funny that Chanelle and Pucci

1351
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: are both named after designer brands. Yes, I love it right,

1352
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: and Galeria is named after them all so in Glenda

1353
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: Galeria in the second in the second movie, because they

1354
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: don't really talk about their names in the first one.

1355
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: In the second movie, Galeria literally says to a boy

1356
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: she just met in Barcelona because he's like, my name's Angel,

1357
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, that's a beautiful name. Mining name

1358
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: is Galeria. It's a big building where you buy things.

1359
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, that's actually in the box too,

1360
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: it is. She was named both of them. Their names

1361
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: are very intentional, and their parents intentional named them those

1362
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: things for the reasons that you hope that they didn't

1363
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 1: baby capitalisms. I'm going back to the Derek thing really quickly.

1364
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: So after he's like lying about this interaction with a

1365
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 1: famous musician, then he like leaves the scene, and um,

1366
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 1: Galeria is like, that's when she gives the incredible line.

1367
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: If he can't respect my art, he can't have my

1368
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: heart or like that. Then later in the movie, after

1369
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: the Cheetah girls have kind of broken up, she is

1370
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: in the theater at school playing a song and then

1371
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: Derek comes in. Here's what he says, quote, it wasn't

1372
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: entirely all that bad. It actually sounded like something not

1373
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: like that pop fluff you usually are doing. And right,

1374
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: and then and then he assumes that someone else wrote

1375
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: it for her, and that she did not write it herself.

1376
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: So he's being this like condescending piece of ship the

1377
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: entire movie. Yeah, he is still negging her, and then

1378
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: at the end they kiss, and it's like, I just

1379
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: I hate this. I don't hate necessarily that there is

1380
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: a romantic subplot. I hate that it's with this kid Derek,

1381
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: who sucks and constantly condescends to her, you know, who

1382
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: doesn't condescend to the Cheetah Girls music and who is

1383
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: very supportive of them. Toto the Dog, Well, you can't,

1384
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: can't Toto the Dog at the end. No, No, I'm

1385
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: not suggesting romantically. I do love the I mean, if

1386
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: we're talking screenwriting kit, then I know you've got a

1387
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: handful of degrees in this. The plant and payoff of

1388
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: Toto and the dog, and they also because of the

1389
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: dcom they reuse the same shot of the dog jumping

1390
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: around constantly. They use it three or four times every

1391
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: day she goes Toto. It's the same shot. It's shot

1392
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: on like a nine team two cam quarter like they

1393
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: did not I don't know. It cuts to this weird,

1394
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: like really grainy, poorly lit shot of the dog in

1395
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,799
Speaker 1: the hole and it's like, what always the thing happened?

1396
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: It's very funny. Yeah, I I didn't think that the

1397
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: thing that it needed to be there. I think it's

1398
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: definitely a part of the Disney Channel formula, and I

1399
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: at least appreciate it that it didn't take up, you know,

1400
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: because sometimes those stories really I mean we were talking

1401
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: about it with Xenon not too long ago, where a

1402
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: boy plot really ends up kind of consuming the back

1403
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: half of the movie. But at least that doesn't happen here.

1404
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: He's like only in three scenes maybe, I mean, he's

1405
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: not in a bad for I also appreciate that, Uh,

1406
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: it is an interracial romance, which is something even for

1407
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's was not something that was seen,

1408
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: or if it was seen, it wasn't presented in a

1409
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: way that was just normalizing it. It was always like

1410
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: it was something like Save the Last Dance, where it's

1411
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: like a white person and a black person want to kiss.

1412
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: They come from different world. He's hip hop, she's ballet.

1413
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: Can they dance together? Yes, she's a pop star, he's

1414
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: a white rapper. Can they kiss? You're like, I guess,

1415
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: but I do live the Galeria basically says that men

1416
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: are scams. Early on, she's like, I don't have time

1417
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: for that. I need to focus on my career. And

1418
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: that's that for me. Was the problem with the kiss

1419
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: with Derek. At the end, it didn't feel earned. There

1420
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: was no chemistry there, there was no real desire from

1421
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: her to be involved with him. They're like jokes from

1422
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: the other girls. It's like, oh, your boom and she's like, no,

1423
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: he's not. And then at the end for them to kiss,

1424
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: I was like, right, where's this come with m She

1425
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: does she even like, I think that because he was

1426
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: there in the wake of the global get down things.

1427
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: She's like, ah, my rock and I was like, no,

1428
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: get another rock, right, you have Toto Totos, you're rock?

1429
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean yeah. It's like, I wouldn't mind the romance

1430
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: subplot if it had been presented in a way that

1431
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: just made more sense, because it doesn't seem like she

1432
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: likes him. She is very articulate and like makes a

1433
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of sense of the reasons she doesn't like him, um,

1434
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: and then at the end she's like, I guess I

1435
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: like him, and which which is? Um? It just didn't

1436
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: make a ton of sense. I did appreciate um that

1437
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: the main conflict of this movie, it's not a will

1438
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: there won't they? It mainly is like the tension of

1439
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: the friendship with Galeria and Chanel I remember, at least

1440
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, even though it's like it

1441
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: was aspirational because there's their problems are very like rich

1442
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: girl problems. But I do like seeing um and I

1443
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: feel like you don't get a lot of like two

1444
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: friends in conflict where it's resolved with love. I think

1445
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: that that's always nice to see. And also like Galeria

1446
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: is being a huge asshole to channel for so much

1447
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: of the movie, and like and several other characters every wee,

1448
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: it's the thing they end up with. They end up with.

1449
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: In two thousand three, a disk site chop cheetah dot com.

1450
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Nothing currently there. I checked. I also checked them. I

1451
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: hope this still exists. Have they kept onto this? Have

1452
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: they held onto this domain the same way space jam has?

1453
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Since it would it would have been a beautiful thing

1454
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: to see. But I mean, I guess if you're listening

1455
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: and you want that domain name is available. It's my

1456
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: new personal website, chomp cheetah dot com. Jamie, please please

1457
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: do it that domain name. It's just when during the

1458
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: plug section, I'm like, you can check out my website

1459
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: chomp Cheeta dot com. I love that they have a

1460
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: disc site. Um yeah, I mean again, I'm like, I

1461
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: don't mean to be two critical of the I mean

1462
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: the girls that eventually just become the only Cheetah girls

1463
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: sons raven Um, but they, I mean, they just seem

1464
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: to be so they're like, well, we should give these

1465
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: terrifying masks a chance, and I I mean that was

1466
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: That's a great place. I thought. I was like, Okay,

1467
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: this is where they can introduce the class aspect of

1468
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: like okay, like maybe Dorinda is inclined to play ball

1469
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: here with a scary panda mask because they're offering her

1470
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: money that she wants to elevate her status and that

1471
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: is a part of her character. But they kind of

1472
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: don't do that, and they're just like it is more

1473
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: of a fame thing than uh, he is offering them

1474
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: money that would give them independence that they want. I

1475
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know that, And it's like it's weird to me.

1476
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe I don't know how to feel about this,

1477
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: but I found it something that Galeria is both the

1478
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,839
Speaker 1: character who turns into an enormous like asshole to everyone

1479
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 1: and is mean and condescending to everyone. That she and

1480
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 1: Derek deserve each other since they're both condescending to everybody,

1481
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: but she is like very mean to everyone. And but

1482
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: then she's also the character with like this wrongest conviction

1483
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: in terms of like, no, we need to be true

1484
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: and authentic to ourself and our music, and we're not

1485
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: going to sell out. So it feels like those two

1486
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 1: things should have been given to two different characters. Maybe,

1487
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, unless they were making a really sophisticated point,

1488
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: which is that people can be assholes and then also

1489
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: occasionally make a good point. But that doesn't seem like

1490
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: the kind of sophisticated point that it should be made

1491
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: in a movie for eleven year old like right, that

1492
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: seems like a more like a three hour long Paul

1493
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson thing to say, don't you mean inception by

1494
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan. No, his character suck um you know, but

1495
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I guess Galeria does turn into such a

1496
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,879
Speaker 1: cartoon villain for a good twenty minutes of the movie,

1497
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: and then she becomes She's right at the beginning, and

1498
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: then it starts good where it's like, oh, she said

1499
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: she was the founder, that's not necessarily true. Now you're like, okay,

1500
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: that's an interesting But then she just goes full like

1501
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: she's cackling for an entire montage um and then she's

1502
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of back to being the moral center and like

1503
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: our art is more important than our than capitalism. And yeah,

1504
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: it's a little messy. I do appreciate that perhaps the

1505
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:27,480
Speaker 1: movie is making commentary on how like the music industry,

1506
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: among many other branches of the entertainment industry try to

1507
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: like co modify people, especially young women, to like sell stuff.

1508
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: It's very intentional to me because they were like, oh,

1509
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna capitalize on the letter G being big this year.

1510
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: We're going to capitalize environmentalism and how all of these

1511
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: creatures are endangered. And I was just like, well, can

1512
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 1: we just talk for a second about their sound, because

1513
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: they briefly are like, yeah, you guys sound good, which

1514
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: is why we're going to put you into this thing

1515
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: that's nothing at all like you. And it was just

1516
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: sort of this complete erasure of everything that made the

1517
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: Cheetah girls cheet delicious and fierce. And I am very

1518
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: disturbed by their handshake though, where there is a very

1519
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: realistic cheetah growl, I'm like, how do you make that

1520
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 1: sound out of your mouth? Multiple times? That was also

1521
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: in the trailer, I remember very clearly because it's just yeah,

1522
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: like copy paste cheetah sound dot MP three, Like it's

1523
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: the same row every time. Yes, I will say. What

1524
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 1: was interesting to me about that sort of montage where

1525
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: Galleria was just laughing at her own hilarity and Jackal

1526
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: says that all the time was that as soon as

1527
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: everything became about a man, it got very hairy and

1528
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: like very unfun and uninteresting, And that was sort of

1529
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 1: the commentary for me. It was like when you let

1530
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: men enter your sphere and you make things about the

1531
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: men entering your sphere instead of about your girls and

1532
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: about the connection that you have and the people that

1533
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: were already in your world. So just even taking gender

1534
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: out of it, like when you let somebody else come

1535
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: in and influence you as opposed to the people that

1536
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: you built something with, that's when things go topsy turvy

1537
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: and bad totally. I like, I mean that I'd never

1538
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: had that read of it before that that I love

1539
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 1: that read is like when you let men and capitalism

1540
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: into your mix. Things get bad your world. You get

1541
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: this website, you get cheating, you get chop Cheeta dot com.

1542
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: I think too, like there's um the lyrics to several

1543
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 1: of their songs are empowering for women and young girls,

1544
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: like there's and and maybe it's a little bit of

1545
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: like the superficial, Like I mean, there's literally a song

1546
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: called girl Power, which we have criticized the idea on

1547
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: the podcast a lot of the idea of like nineties,

1548
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: early two thousands, like just very surface level girl power

1549
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: sentiment that is not that helpful for our purposes. But

1550
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: I've also been thinking about this recently, where like girls

1551
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and women generally have to learn feminism because you know,

1552
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: we grow up, we're still surrounded by patriarchal structures. We

1553
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: are often conditioned to think and believe certain things that

1554
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: are in direct conflict with our own self interest, and

1555
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: we have to unlearn a lot of stuff. But you know,

1556
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: you have to start somewhere when it comes to learning feminism.

1557
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 1: So the kind of surface level like girl power thing

1558
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: that is often directed at young girls, Yes, it's very superficial,

1559
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: but it also feels like a good entry point, you know,

1560
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: for this learning process as long as it also like

1561
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: moves into more kind of complicated feminism that everyone needs

1562
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 1: to learn. Well, I think that that's my general problem

1563
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: with this message is that it doesn't really it doesn't

1564
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: tend to do that Cinderella sort of more than girl Power.

1565
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: The song Cinderella has the idea of don't wait around

1566
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: for a man to rescue you, rescue yourself. You have

1567
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: that power and you have the capability. But then that's

1568
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: the first song that we're really getting from them as

1569
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,919
Speaker 1: the Cheetah Girls, and then it just sort of devolves

1570
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: into like generic, Oh, we're here for each other, and

1571
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: like how how are you here for each other? Are

1572
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: you disclosing your salaries to make sure that everybody is

1573
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: getting paid the same, and like what's the deal? How?

1574
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: What is the action here? Not just the sort of

1575
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: slogan the future is female sort of deal? Right, there's

1576
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I guess that that is. And and this is like,

1577
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, cheated Girls. I'm like, I almost want to

1578
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: give cheating Girls a pass on it because I love

1579
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: the Cheata Girls so much, But but all of these,

1580
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, my main criticism of the girl power aesthetic

1581
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: has always been that, like the sentence itself not a

1582
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: problem with it. Yeah, girls should have more power than

1583
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 1: they do, and they should be empowered by themselves and

1584
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: by each other and by the people around them. But

1585
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: to me, the message underneath that girl power message is

1586
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: that the way to get power is by being complicit

1587
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: in capitalism and participating in it as thoroughly and as

1588
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: heavily as you can, which is also baked into what

1589
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: the Cheetah Girls are and what their aspirations are. It's

1590
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 1: like they want to succeed through capitalism. Obviously, it's like

1591
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: the cheat, Like I'm not asking the Cheata Girls to

1592
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: be a socialist text Like it's fine as is, but

1593
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 1: just that overarching like we I think we started talking

1594
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: about it in our Spice Girls episode like three years

1595
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: ago at this point, but that it's like I agree

1596
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: with what they're saying, but how much is actually done

1597
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: through the actions. I think that the Cheetah Girls are

1598
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 1: certainly doing a lot more than Spice World was, um,

1599
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: but not as much as Josie and the Pussycats exactly.

1600
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: Like if if we're talking about the spectrum of you know,

1601
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: how much franchisees challenging us the best movie ever? Okay,

1602
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: let's got the shirt. Yes, thank you, Jamie. Jamie bought

1603
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: it for me and my mom. I have two of

1604
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: the same shirt. That means two people know you very well.

1605
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that's I mean. But it's

1606
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: capitalism is baked into the Cheetah Girls to such a

1607
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: comical degree that it's kind of funny because their names

1608
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: are Galleria and Chanel, like they are embodying it. And

1609
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially the books, Dorinda presents uh kind

1610
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: of an oppositional force and a bit of a challenge

1611
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: to that mindset, which she sort of does in the

1612
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 1: movie as well. But yeah, I don't know. I'm never

1613
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna like two thousands girl power, and partially because I

1614
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: deeply resent it. It's a tough thing to reckon with

1615
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: because you do, again want girls to have more power

1616
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: and do sort of want to implant just the seed

1617
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: of the idea that like, hey, girls, you can be

1618
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: in n y U math classes and be good at STEM.

1619
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: But it's also like, how are you then going to

1620
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: use that? It's it's about what you do with the

1621
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: tools that you're given, and right now they're just like,

1622
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: let's use these tools to help build the capitalist machine. Ding, Ding,

1623
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,919
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with the buckets of duckets.

1624
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Once you have acquired the buckets of duckets gallery, are

1625
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:27,440
Speaker 1: you going to redistribute it things? We distribute the duckets

1626
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: the duckets. But yeah, I mean, like in this song Cinderella,

1627
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: I think some of the lyrics are I can slay

1628
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: my own dragons, I can dream my own dreams. My

1629
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 1: night in shining Armor is me, So I'm going to

1630
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: set me free. I don't want to be lax and dure.

1631
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 1: It's so good. That's not a Cheetah Girls original bt dubs.

1632
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: Really another group I think it like, is some European

1633
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: group also corded that song prior to the film, and

1634
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: then they repackaged it as a Cheetah Girls song for

1635
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 1: the movie. I cannot remember the name of the group.

1636
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: Hal I thought that Galeria wrote Cinderella, as she claims

1637
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: in the film. I know, yeah, Also there was I

1638
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, there's authorship issues. That never bodes

1639
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: well for a group. No, it doesn't. The last thing

1640
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about was Galeria. We've alluded to

1641
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: this heavily, so maybe I won't even be a very

1642
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: long discussion. But Galeria and her mom uh, Dorothea uh.

1643
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 1: And I am just now connecting Dorothea and Toto, Okay, Jamie,

1644
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: Oh nope, didn't make that connection either, you know. And

1645
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: they love the love the Wizard of Oz. And there's

1646
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: the scene right before Toto goes down into the hole,

1647
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: which maybe is Toto's own version of Oz. Who's to say? Where? Um? Where?

1648
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: Gallery is like bummed because of the globe will get

1649
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: down thing, and Dorothea is like, well, maybe we'll just

1650
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: go home and watch your favorite movie. And she's like,

1651
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Wizard of Oz can solve this.

1652
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I remember really liking that because it was my favorite

1653
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: movie when I was a kid. But Dorothea, I I

1654
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,839
Speaker 1: used to be more like I feel like it's it's interesting.

1655
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: I want to like give props to Deborah, and I

1656
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: also want to give props to Allison on the way

1657
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 1: that this character is written in the movie, because it's like,

1658
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: I feel like there's multiple reads on her. Like when

1659
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: I saw her when I was a kid, I was

1660
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: definitely like, oh, okay, this is like a parent who

1661
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: is going to be withholding from their kid who wants

1662
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,640
Speaker 1: to do something cool, Like I've seen this character. I

1663
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 1: get it. But when you revisit this character as like

1664
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: we were saying, it's like, oh, you totally understand why

1665
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 1: she's like she's protecting Galleria. That wasn't She wasn't just

1666
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: saying that, she she meant it. Yeah, I mean she

1667
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: was looking at this contract and Jacko was like standard contract.

1668
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: She crosses out several subsections of the contract, looks at

1669
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: him and said standard revisions, which I was just yes,

1670
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: because she's like, she's like a famous fashion designer. She

1671
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: would know all about this ship and she would be

1672
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: released like you know, like rightfully skeptical, and she would

1673
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 1: know this whole world and like it just I was

1674
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: very team Dorothea on this watch. She really cares about

1675
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: her kids. I also thought it was really badass that

1676
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: she was so mean to Jaggle the second she met him,

1677
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: like maybe a little bit too me, but like she

1678
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care, but like it was

1679
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 1: she was so aggressively mean. And then Gallery was like,

1680
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: you don't know who Jackal Johnson is, and then she

1681
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: named five hundred facts about him. She's like, I do

1682
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: know who he is, I just don't respect him. Yeah,

1683
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: I read and I'm like, yes, you do, mom, Yes

1684
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: you do. Um, yeah, I mean harkening back to like

1685
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: our Xenon episode on the Matreon, where we had a

1686
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: big problem with the way the like Xenon his parents

1687
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: were treated in that like her mother was this like

1688
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 1: hysterical woman who has to put on a stress helmet.

1689
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: And then but her dad is like the cool dad

1690
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 1: who like gets her and like is chill and relaxed,

1691
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: And I think they're on the on the very surface,

1692
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 1: there is a similar dynamic here in that, like you

1693
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: have a concerned mother and then a chiller dad. But

1694
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it was handled way better here because

1695
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 1: you understand where the mother is coming from. She's not

1696
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 1: presented nearly as much as being this like hysterical like

1697
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: shrew mom who's like no, like she's looking out for

1698
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: her daughter. She knows stuff. She knows how music is recorded,

1699
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: she knows about contracts. She comes in very informed, and um,

1700
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 1: she's also just like characterized beyond we we get to

1701
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: know more about her character that like contextualizes why she's

1702
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,759
Speaker 1: so like concerned for her daughter and like her daughter's

1703
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: friends and stuff. So I liked that. I always get

1704
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: a little I mean, there was a little bit of

1705
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: cool dad dattery going on here where that is someone

1706
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: that was like, come on, like, dude, it would be

1707
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 1: fun if we let her do the thing. And but

1708
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: but I did appreciate that you get something you don't

1709
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 1: get in Xenon, which is a little like, look at

1710
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,759
Speaker 1: what their relationship dynamic is. You get like a sweet

1711
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,799
Speaker 1: moment with them that doesn't seem particularly aggressive to either character,

1712
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:24,560
Speaker 1: and you almost like so I was more lenient towards

1713
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: the way that results. It wasn't just like dad's of course,

1714
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 1: as we know, are way cooler than moms, and that's

1715
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: why this is happening. Like you get a look at

1716
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: she gets to speak her piece, say why she doesn't

1717
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: agree with it, the dad gets to speak his piece,

1718
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: and then they make a compromise. So I was like, Okay,

1719
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: this isn't the worst way that I've seen this play

1720
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: out in like a Disney movie. And it felt like

1721
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,440
Speaker 1: both parents were coming from a place of wanting Galeria

1722
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: to be happy and healthy, which I appreciate it because

1723
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 1: the dad wasn't just like let her have fun. He

1724
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: was like, she has this dream. This can maybe help

1725
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: her achieve this dream, and there's never going to be

1726
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: a point at which she is not going to want

1727
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: to achieve this dream, but if it falls apart, now

1728
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: we are here to help support her. And I think

1729
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: that that's important that we be here to help support her.

1730
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: So I thought that that was a really interesting take

1731
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 1: on it, where he's like, I'm not just fun Dad,

1732
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: I am fun dad who also wants to be able

1733
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: to support her when this may not work out because

1734
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 1: that happens, and she has her first situation where it

1735
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, and we're here, so she knows that

1736
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: the next time how to handle it better, which is

1737
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: logic I can basically follow. I was like, okay, Dad

1738
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: has maybe not the point I agree with most, but

1739
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: a point. And then they didn't just go into it

1740
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: willy nilly. It was like both parents came together. It's like, okay,

1741
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: so we are going to let you do this because

1742
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: this is your dream, but I'm going to go with

1743
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: you as your mother, and I'm going to make sure

1744
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 1: that you don't fall behind in your grades or anything

1745
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 1: like that. Like they're conditioned like don't forget the capers

1746
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,560
Speaker 1: at the store, don't put your dog in a whole,

1747
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, I really, I mean it's I originally

1748
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: was skeptical of that, but now even as we're talking

1749
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 1: about like me and I think it's actually fine. Yeah,

1750
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the dog in the hole, the doctor and maybe they

1751
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: should have left in there. He was in there. I

1752
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 1: will never get over that. I watched that. I must

1753
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: have rewound that five hundred times. That the firefighter baby

1754
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: like staying faster, staying faster, it's working, it's working. Wait, okay, sorry,

1755
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: if the whole is Oz, the director of this movie

1756
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: is Oz Scott. The connections keep coming. Makes you think,

1757
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: my goodness, is this funded by the illuminati? Do you

1758
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: think that? Yeah? I think we can pretty definitively say that. Yeah.

1759
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 1: And recently we did find out that Beyonce a k A.

1760
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 1: Backstaba and Karma's Children is secretly Italian and half that

1761
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:04,640
Speaker 1: item was so one of the messiest news items of

1762
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 1: the year. And that's saying something truly messier than the

1763
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 1: global pandemic is the would be member of the House

1764
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: of Legislature who's like, did you know that Beyonce is

1765
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: secretly Italian? She's not even black. Don't listen to any

1766
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: of her pro black rhetoric because she is scamming you all.

1767
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 1: It exploded my brain. They're like, she's working for the

1768
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: meatball lobby, the spaghetti Like You're just like, what are

1769
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: you talking about so much? So much? Um? Yeah, it

1770
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:41,680
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't even have anything else. I think that was

1771
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 1: all I had. Those are all my main things. Most importantly,

1772
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: how do they make the realistic growling sounds in the handshake?

1773
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 1: I think we went into that it was a copy paste.

1774
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: Oh there is a line that we have not talked

1775
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: about that. I just think the hold I hold it

1776
01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 1: very near to my heart, which is after a history test. Um. Oh,

1777
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 1: I also think this is important. Galeria calls a Cheetah

1778
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,839
Speaker 1: Girl study session, so they are about, you know, supporting

1779
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 1: academically as well. But they talked about the Louisiana purchase

1780
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 1: and Chanelle says, are you sure the Louisiana purchase had

1781
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: nothing to do with gumbo? And I'm just like, Mrs

1782
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 1: Almanac truly has failed you. That was what she had

1783
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: to go to talk to Mrs Almanac about, like, how

1784
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: would anybody buy gumbo for fifteen million dollars? What's the

1785
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: deal with that? That was the actual price of Louisiana purchase.

1786
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I was an a music about the Louisiana purchase. So

1787
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: I remember many fun facts about it. Oh my good

1788
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: at ten not recently. You got to go into and

1789
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: tell Galeria she are not Galleria Chanelle she was. That

1790
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: was another. There are so many like quick like I mean,

1791
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a service is it's like an homage to

1792
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 1: the book. But the quippy lines that pop up are

1793
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: just they're so fun me and they're so weird. And

1794
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: there's a really good one that I like. Sorry, there's

1795
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 1: also a dog. My new neighbor got a very yippie dog, Toto.

1796
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,759
Speaker 1: It's in a hole and it's it's yipping very loudly

1797
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: right now, So my apologies for that. But there's one

1798
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 1: line that I my favorite line in the entire movie

1799
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:25,560
Speaker 1: is when um Chanelle shows up at Dorinda's apartment and

1800
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: this is like her discovery of like her you know,

1801
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: living in like the super's apartment kind of thing, and

1802
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 1: Dorinda says, oh, if I would have known you were

1803
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: coming over, I would have been rich and lived somewhere else,

1804
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, that is very funny. You should be

1805
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: a comedian. Speaking of comedians, Oh my gosh. Okay, So

1806
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: there's the one of the guys in the Talent Show

1807
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: is this male comedian who's talking about like he's doing

1808
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 1: a bird impression and um dieing that. Cheetah girls are like,

1809
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 1: he's so funny. They love it. It doesn't seem that funny.

1810
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 1: But my favorite hard about that is Drinka is like, Okay,

1811
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,520
Speaker 1: you've gone over your three minutes, Like stop now, like

1812
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 1: a male comedians trying to go over his time and

1813
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,559
Speaker 1: she's and Drink is having none of it. She's like, Nope,

1814
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: you're done now. I always leave them wanting more. It's fine.

1815
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: I liked that there. I just when they cut to

1816
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: the Cheetah girls losing it, being like, oh my god,

1817
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 1: he's so random, but like you're just like a fully

1818
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: triggered by them by this open the seventeen year old

1819
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: open micer just another fun behind the scenes fact. Keeley

1820
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: Williams later in her career, released a song. I don't

1821
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: know if either of you have heard of it or

1822
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:43,839
Speaker 1: seen the music video for it. It's called Spectacular, and

1823
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 1: the original video has been taken down, I believe, but

1824
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 1: it's still up there in many facets and it is

1825
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: wildly different than you would think based on her past music. Um, really,

1826
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: if you've never seen it. Check it out. I'm mean

1827
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:04,480
Speaker 1: the chorus of the song goes, the sex was spectacular.

1828
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: The sex was spectacular. They're a little like oh sounds,

1829
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: They're delicious. Post Disney music careers. That has to be

1830
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:24,680
Speaker 1: someone's like doctoral thesis. There's there's just so much to

1831
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: be found. It's it's ripe. It is a field ripe

1832
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: for study. And it was kind of controversial when it

1833
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: came out. People were like, Kiely's gone wild. And I

1834
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 1: think at this point it was like ten or twelve

1835
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,599
Speaker 1: years ago, so it's been a while. But in college

1836
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite videos. I would watch

1837
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 1: it at least once a month because I was just like,

1838
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: this is crazy. It was octacular. Check it out. Let

1839
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: me know what you think. As far as sex songs go.

1840
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 1: That is like a pretty polite thing to say that

1841
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: the sex was spec tacular. She's using like, you know,

1842
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 1: C word to describe the sex. It was. Yeah, it

1843
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 1: was a plus sex. According to Parquil, She's like, gotta

1844
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: gotta pull up the thesaurus and see how else can

1845
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 1: describe this. That's my last thing I wanted to say.

1846
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 1: I just needed everyone to know about spectacular. I appreciate that.

1847
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: So as far as the Bechtel test, um does the

1848
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: Cheetah Girls pass the Bechdel test every almost every second

1849
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: of thee yeah, constantly. I don't think they mentioned men

1850
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: as existing for like a solid three and a half minutes,

1851
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: which is I think the longest I've ever seen a

1852
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 1: movie go without mentioning a man in the opening of it.

1853
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 1: And when they do talk about men, it's generally a

1854
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: reference to Jackal and it still is at least even

1855
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 1: when it doesn't pass, it's usually still tangentially about their careers,

1856
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: which yeah, yeah, this I think might be like one

1857
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: of the most Bechtel test passing movies we have ever done.

1858
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: I would agree it passes the DuVernay test, that passes

1859
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 1: the Duverney test it um. I think it might not

1860
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: pass the reverse Spectel test, in which I don't think

1861
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: men or boys. Mackerel and Derek do talk to each other,

1862
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 1: but I feel like they're always they're talking either about

1863
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 1: the girls or they're talking to the girl. Like their

1864
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 1: interactions are very few and far between on screen, so

1865
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: usually connected to the girls. Yeah, and usually connected to

1866
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: the girls. Yeah. Yeah. Realizing that now, I'd like to

1867
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 1: think that maybe Mackerel's ornantists is a woman also, so

1868
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: even when he's in his famous line, he's talking about

1869
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 1: a woman. Hell yeah, Now I have the sex with Spectacular,

1870
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: a song I've never heard stuck in my head, but

1871
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 1: it's it does say were pass the test? It does

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Speaker 1: it so seamlessly too, where I feel like sometimes when

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Speaker 1: movies pass the backteal test, they really like all but

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Speaker 1: break the fourth wall to be like, are you happy? Um,

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Speaker 1: but this is a great I mean, davora. Gregory has

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Speaker 1: built a world that is so centered on female characters

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Speaker 1: and their ambitions and their dreams and their conflicx that

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Speaker 1: it's like, it's just seamless. It's just built into what

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Speaker 1: this world is. Which brings us to our nipple scale um,

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Speaker 1: in which we examine how the movie fares from an

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Speaker 1: intersectional lens on a scale of zero to five nipples.

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Speaker 1: And I would say there's a lot to consider here,

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Speaker 1: because you know, you have the issue with the Dorinda

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Speaker 1: character being whitewashed from the book to movie adaptation, which

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Speaker 1: is upsetting. On the other hand, of the characters who

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Speaker 1: you're rooting for, who get the most screen time and

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01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 1: dialogue and narrative significance they are predominantly black and Latin

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Speaker 1: X women, and the fact that it's by and large

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Speaker 1: a story about female friendship, female creative expression, like women

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Speaker 1: making art and entertainment. Are they too concerned with capitalism? Yes,

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Speaker 1: but they're also fifteen, so maybe they'll grow out of it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like same thing with Galeria becoming really mean.

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Speaker 1: The second she gets a taste of fame, she doesn't

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Speaker 1: handle it well. But again, she's fifteen, and then she learns,

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Speaker 1: and then she learns, and she she understands that the

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Speaker 1: important thing is her friendship with these other girls, and

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Speaker 1: that's the resolution of the story. UM. So I like

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01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,760
Speaker 1: that aspect of it, that the that the movie, the

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Speaker 1: story um centers around the female friendship. I think that

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01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 1: there is a shortage of that in media directed to children,

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Speaker 1: especially to young girls, So I appreciate that. Um there's

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Speaker 1: a few, you know, the issues that we've talked about,

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01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 1: like the weird romantic subplot with the kid being an asshole.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'd give it like a four still, I

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01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 1: think four nipples, and I'll give one to each cheetah

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Speaker 1: girl I want to go for as well. I was

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Speaker 1: really pleasantly surprised at just on revisiting the books a

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01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 1: little bit as well, and just kind of like resurfacing

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Speaker 1: all this old, unused cheated Girls canon information that I

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Speaker 1: had inside of my head. Of how much on the rewatch,

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Speaker 1: I did find that it was generally, um, true to

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Speaker 1: the spirit of the books. It was less disney Fied

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Speaker 1: than I expected. Again, this is like some qualifying language

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Speaker 1: of like, wow, I thought that Disney would have really

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01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 1: fucked it up like they have sucked up other franchises. Um,

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Speaker 1: but in general I think that especially and I guess,

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Speaker 1: just jumping off what you're saying, Caitlin, I was happy

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Speaker 1: to see that the behind the scenes team was mostly

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Speaker 1: black artists and people of color. I was really glad

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Speaker 1: that Debora Gregory was involved in a meaningful wake and

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01:53:10,120 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 1: it really shows. And yeah, I mean it's a predominantly

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Speaker 1: um non white cast. Really the only two well I

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Speaker 1: guess with Dryanda, guess she is a white coated character. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it is all the all the authority figures that

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Speaker 1: you see that you love are are non white characters.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Jackal, who is evil. Uh. There's there's

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Speaker 1: just like so much that this movie is doing right

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Speaker 1: in two thousand three that most movies in two thousand

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Speaker 1: three weren't doing right. So it definitely has its issues,

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Speaker 1: and I think that all of these issues can basically

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Speaker 1: be boiled down to the disneyfication elements that did get through,

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01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 1: the whitewashing, the forced in uh love story that doesn't

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01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 1: really belong there um. But all things considered, I feel

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01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 1: like it. It was and it was a huge hit,

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01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 1: which again is just it makes it extremely apparent that

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01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: the representation that this movie offers, even though it is

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01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 1: not in no way perfect, was very wanted and very needed,

1938
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 1: and it became this super successful franchise until Raven left.

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01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give it for I still really enjoy

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01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: this movie. Cinderella is a great song, and I'll give,

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01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 1: We'll give. I don't want to be mean to Dorenda,

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01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 1: but I'm going to give one to every Cheeta girl

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01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 1: but Dorinda, and then give that nipple to Drink A

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01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 1: sorry drink. I thought you were going to give it

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01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:43,160
Speaker 1: to Angie because I know you're a big Angie Sngie. Well, yes, Angie,

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01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 1: and you can share a nipple with Drinka when she's

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01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 1: so quiet she she wouldn't request more than half a nipple.

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01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear her. Yeah, for me, I think that I,

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01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,959
Speaker 1: like Jamie, came back at the movie and was surprised

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01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: by how much I liked it and how much more

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01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: I liked it, especially as an adult. What really I

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01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: get caught on is, I mean the whitewashing is slump

1953
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: them and the just rampant capitalism and non addressing of

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01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: classism and class issues that happened. I mean that one

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01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 1: scene with Galleria where she's like, you need to change

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01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 1: the way you dress, and she harps on the way

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01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 1: that Dorinda dresses in a couple of scenes, and that

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01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: for me was just like unchecked classism part like just

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01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 1: to a level that is unbelievable even for a teenager.

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01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:42,080
Speaker 1: That is kind of not really resolved between them either, right,

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01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: So that that takes it a little bit down on

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01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 1: the nipple scale for me, But again I am very

1963
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 1: pro one also showing interracial families and these blended families

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01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 1: and non traditional families where um, they do have a

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Speaker 1: single parent and it's not like the second parent is dead,

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01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: because that is a huge Disney thing where it's like

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01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 1: if it's going to be a single parent, the other

1968
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: one's dead. Divorce doesn't exist. You die or you're there.

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01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: So that's really great for me. And uh, I feel

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01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna give it three and a half nipples.

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01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it the lowest on the nipple

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01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: scale so far because that the classes um really does

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01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: get me. And that's I think such an important aspect

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Speaker 1: of intersectionality. And a lot of people focus on the

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Speaker 1: race aspect, but class, I think is so intertwined with

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01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 1: that too in general, generational wealth or whatnot. Um. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: three and a half nipples. But I really came into

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01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: it looking at rewatching it for this episode. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm only gonna give it like a nipple, maybe half

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Speaker 1: a nipple, and I was just like, oh, actually maybe three,

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Speaker 1: maybe four somewhere in there. So it is a well

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01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 1: deserved and earned three and a half nipples. I think

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Speaker 1: if I were to rate it on like how much

1984
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 1: do I enjoy watching this movie or how well do

1985
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 1: I think this screenplay has written, No, I would give

1986
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 1: it far lower. I give it, I give it, I'd

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Speaker 1: give it maybe like why is the climax about a

1988
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: dog in a hole? Sometimes dogs go into whole scale

1989
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: on a screenwriting nipple scale, I would give it like

1990
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 1: two nipples. But there there's it's the Checoban dog in

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Speaker 1: a hole, I will say for me, I think screenwriting

1992
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 1: definitely lower nipples. No disrespect to Allison. It is a

1993
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: monumental task to have to adapt, and also to have

1994
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Speaker 1: to adapt a series of books. It's not just one story,

1995
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: it's several stories, and they do tread into territory I

1996
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 1: think from the first three or four books. So that

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01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 1: is impressive, but it didn't quite track, especially if you

1998
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 1: hadn't read the books. From an enjoyment nipple scale, i'd

1999
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 1: give it more nipples. I enjoyed it just objectively as

2000
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: something I could watch on this Saturday night, even as

2001
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 1: a grown up. I'm like, this is good. This is

2002
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 1: very good. It made me homesick. I was like just

2003
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 1: thinking of all my childhood friends and I was watching that.

2004
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it was a simpler time. Yes,

2005
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 1: the nostalgia is strong, it really is. Yeah, but they're

2006
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: but as we will find out in as we continued

2007
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 1: into our Matreon episodes about d coms, uh, the person

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01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: that the important character in Whole is a is a

2009
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 1: common d coom convention because in Caitlin Chu saying at

2010
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 1: the climax of Cadet Kelly, animals not diad falls. It's

2011
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 1: less of a full he falls off a cliff into

2012
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 1: there's a falling thing. And that is also the climax

2013
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: of Cadet Kelly. Now I do remember the Cadet Kelly

2014
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,280
Speaker 1: cliff thing. I remember the ribbons more. The ribbons were

2015
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 1: a big thing. I was like, I could ribbon dance.

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01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:52,800
Speaker 1: I cannot. I cannot do any dance. Is it ribbons?

2017
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Aren't they flinging guns around there like toy rifles? But

2018
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 1: then they replaced rifles with ribbons, And that's feminism metaphor

2019
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,760
Speaker 1: early two thousands. They really had to figure it out

2020
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 1: back then. I wonder if there is like a style

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01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 1: guide that if you're hired to write a d com,

2022
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 1: they're like, if you're getting stuck, here's what we would do.

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Speaker 1: Are you having trouble in the third act? Put someone

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Speaker 1: in a hole, just toss him somewhere. Yeah, have someone

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Speaker 1: fall and almost I I was just watching an episode

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Speaker 1: of So Weird, which was a Disney Channel show. Um yes,

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Speaker 1: and there was an episode where Fee goes missing and

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01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: she does fall off a cliff and then is in

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Speaker 1: a cave, which is just a very large horizontal hole.

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Speaker 1: That's true. They're really just going for it with that.

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Speaker 1: She saved by Bigfoot. So that's the so weird aspect

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Speaker 1: of it. That show is really fun. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: anything about it except that I liked it. It's on

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Speaker 1: Disney Plus. You should rewatch it. Okay, all right, oh Grandma,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: so much fun. What a wild what a wild time

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Speaker 1: we've had? Um Where where can people follow your stuff

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Speaker 1: and find you online? Okay, if you want to follow me,

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Speaker 1: please just do it on the internet, not in real

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Speaker 1: life because that's crazy. But I'm at Karama Drama k

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Speaker 1: O r a m A drama on all platforms, and

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Speaker 1: by all I mean Instagram and Twitter because I am

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Speaker 1: very afraid of TikTok. I am not cool. Don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's super cool and there's so much

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Speaker 1: stuff on it that's interesting. They have conspiracy theorists, they

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Speaker 1: have like life hackers, they have education stuff and like

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Speaker 1: alternative education and counter education. But I am very intimidated

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Speaker 1: by all of the dancing and the editing that happens,

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Speaker 1: and I just oh yeah, I love to watch other

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Speaker 1: people's TikTok. I just have no idea how to produce

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Speaker 1: my own content there to talk, I finally understand why

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Speaker 1: there were all these weird people, Like I've used to

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Speaker 1: think people who are on Twitter there were just an

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Speaker 1: egg and never said anything. We're so weird. But I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's literally me on TikTok. That's what I do. I

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Speaker 1: just look at stuff and I say nothing. I feel

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Speaker 1: like Twitter, though, it's weirder because everybody on Twitter knows

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Speaker 1: words like on the talk to create content. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot that goes into it in terms of like means

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Speaker 1: a sin and all of that stuff, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: uh well, speaking of Twitter and social media, you can

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Speaker 1: of our merch. However, at public dot com slash the

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Speaker 1: us sexy baby grinch mask and I for credit it.

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Speaker 1: icon baby grinchy. So that is something you could do

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Speaker 1: we'll see you on the Matrian will see on the

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Speaker 1: main feed and thank you for being here, Granma. This

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Speaker 1: was so much fun. I please, I would love to

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Speaker 1: come back whenever you come back any time, anytime, anytime.

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Speaker 1: And this is the point where Caitlyn, would it be

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Speaker 1: the most annoying thing if at the end you just

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Speaker 1: edit it in a really loud cheetah girl cheetah sound effect.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'll do my best and if if I

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Speaker 1: manage it, it's gonna go right here. Wow. Bye