WEBVTT - Closet w/ Bailey Chase

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories, Done Done.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Messed Up. An sv podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lisa and I'm Kara, and every week

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<v Speaker 1>we tackle an episode of a really great television show

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<v Speaker 1>called Law and Order Special Victims Unit. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a true crime that it was based on, and we

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<v Speaker 1>interview an actor from the show. But first, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on. Hold on, there's a lot going on. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have something you want to start with, because.

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<v Speaker 4>I well, I'll do a quick louisg update.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, the federal judge said that they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to set a trial date until like December twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>So this trial on the federal level will not happen

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<v Speaker 2>until twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>And why why would they wait seven months to set.

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<v Speaker 4>A date, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And but also as of now, the state trial is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be going first, and she has put Karen

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<v Speaker 2>has put an emotion to do the federal trial first

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<v Speaker 2>since the death penalties attached, like that's obviously more important,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. I think it's just to get

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<v Speaker 2>all the motions right, all the evidence. There's like so much,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think it's just this might be normal. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never followed a case like this intensely before, but what okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So basically the most fucked up thing is it was

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<v Speaker 2>found out that prosecution was listening to a phone call

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<v Speaker 2>with him and his attorney, so they were listening to

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<v Speaker 2>a privileged conversation with the attorney.

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<v Speaker 4>This is brought up in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Karen in court is like, hey, judge, like, we know

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<v Speaker 2>for a fact they were listening to conversations in the court.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecution goes, oh, this is the first we're hearing

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<v Speaker 2>of this, Like we had no idea this was happening.

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<v Speaker 4>So then Karen on.

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<v Speaker 2>The Luigi Manjioni defense like website, like on the legal website,

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<v Speaker 2>has transcripts from court and puts out statements and basically

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, fuck the prosecution for doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a statement.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the prosecution sent a letter to the judge

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<v Speaker 2>and made it public that was like fuck you, this

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<v Speaker 2>is bullshit, Like they know for a fact conversations will

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<v Speaker 2>be listened to, and it was paralegal who listened. In

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<v Speaker 2>the moment she realized it was privileged, she stopped listening.

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<v Speaker 4>We knew immediately. We took like blah blah blah, blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Karen's response was just like, here's the transcript

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<v Speaker 2>to court. So in court they said, we've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of this. And then the statement they released after court,

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution says.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually apparently heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>A paralegal heard it. We stopped it immediately and we

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<v Speaker 2>made everyone known. And he needs a designated line for lawyers,

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<v Speaker 2>but the inmates should know that all their convos on

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<v Speaker 2>like this other line is being listened to. So then

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<v Speaker 2>Karen's response is just like four sentences, not even and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like my response is the transcript, babe, So which

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<v Speaker 2>is it?

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<v Speaker 4>And so that was only like four days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all dated and was released but like on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the court date. So like this is getting crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, it's an unfair Everything is like

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<v Speaker 2>unfair and fucked. But the fact that they're lying in

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<v Speaker 2>court like this and then trying to embarrass her and

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<v Speaker 2>he's always condescending. He was like, and if Karen wants

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<v Speaker 2>to read up on the law that you can listen

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<v Speaker 2>to call like just such a dick.

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<v Speaker 4>But we'll see what ends up happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we're not going to get a trial till

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, and then I do hope they let

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<v Speaker 2>the federal trial go first. And then the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>know that this the federal government has like a ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent conviction rate is because a man was harassing

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<v Speaker 2>Karen on the street, yelling at But it's like they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it because they want him to set up all there.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't do an indictment because they don't have a case.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they know they don't have a case, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just like shocked that he was able to afford

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<v Speaker 2>such good defense.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I really don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're gonna let him go because he's

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<v Speaker 2>become the symbol of something. But it's pretty fucked the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor just lying in court, lying outside of court, and

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<v Speaker 2>all she had, like I think that's a mic drop

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<v Speaker 2>read the transcript and that's all she needed to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Be like, which is it, bitch?

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the only updates I have at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment in terms of Okay, but there was like we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't able to see him. You know, he was wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a jail uniform like beige is what I've heard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what's Oh, and they requested bail.

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt that he's gonna get it, but they requested bail.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope his family is rich enough. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>they're talking to him. I hope he gets afforded bail.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really hope he gets to like house arrest

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, crazy because he's obviously being treated us fairly.

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<v Speaker 2>If his phone calls are now being listened to, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the prosecution can just lan in court. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have to read more of the transcript. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to live a life like keeping up with his

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<v Speaker 2>case is like a full time job. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>on top of everything else, I do so trying my best.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was all kinds of news like today, basically yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>that that Virginia. I don't know how you say this

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<v Speaker 1>last name, Geffrey. Geoffrey was she was this woman who

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<v Speaker 1>had I think, testified that she had been on Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>Island and like was had been with Prince Andrew or whatever, like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he trafficked her to Prince Andrew when she

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<v Speaker 1>was sixteen and all this stuff. She just took her

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<v Speaker 1>own life, and everyone's like.

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<v Speaker 4>Did she.

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody that's involved in this case keeps like ending,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised Joanne Gallainne Maxwell is still with us. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's really sketchy, Like I was surprised, and this poor woman,

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<v Speaker 1>like her fucking most of the majority of her life

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<v Speaker 1>has been dealing with this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just dark anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if maybe you had any Epstein conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it's just like, well, in my head, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like why wouldn't the government protect her?

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like they're in on it. Yeah, So I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have anything to say besides I guess I gotta keep

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<v Speaker 2>my mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow she Yeah, I mean she accused her husband of

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<v Speaker 1>physical abuse. I think she was as strange from her

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<v Speaker 1>children for some reason, like she had a lot going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it all stems from this, Like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make her story not true. And also she had she

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<v Speaker 1>had said years ago she was like, they're gonna kill me.

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<v Speaker 1>These people are gonna kill me, and now she is

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<v Speaker 1>not no longer with us, so it's like reallyughable.

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<v Speaker 4>But let me change the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night I went to go see Real Housewives the Musical.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Real Housewives the musical parody. I don't know. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a few different ones.

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<v Speaker 1>This one on Instagram is Real Housewives the Musical, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jared is really good friends with this girl, Mary Lou

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<v Speaker 1>and she plays Andy Cohen. She plays all these other

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<v Speaker 1>characters in it. And then there's like four sorry five

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<v Speaker 1>Housewives that are drag queens that are in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like all references to the show. I was dying.

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<v Speaker 1>The queen's names are Tarabithia, Karantina, Briella, Briello, Diantha, and Tali,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're so fucking funny.

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<v Speaker 4>I was dying.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like the whole time, they're doing Watch what

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<v Speaker 1>Happens Live like a runner that's just like coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on Watch What Happens Live. It's Lisa Barlow and three

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<v Speaker 1>time Academy Award winner Meryl Streep for some reason, like

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<v Speaker 1>then they'll they just did a few of those, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they do an actual Watch What Happens Live, and

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<v Speaker 1>the guests were a Kaisha forgot from drag race and

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<v Speaker 1>because it was it was also last night's show was

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<v Speaker 1>specifically a benefit for cystic fibrosis, and I forgot that

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<v Speaker 1>Akasha suffers from with that, so like it was so

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<v Speaker 1>you basically could give a venmo of five dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>go up and Akaisha would give you like a pickleback shot,

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<v Speaker 1>like whiskey and pickle juice.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went up.

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<v Speaker 1>I gave them money because I wanted to give them money.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, I was like, just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of whiskey. I don't really like it very much,

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<v Speaker 1>But then that pickle juice is delicious. I mean really,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you could chase other things with that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so good.

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<v Speaker 4>But the other guest was Avvy. Oh my god, Avvy is.

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<v Speaker 1>Sutton Stras houseman or whatever anymore, he laughed.

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<v Speaker 4>They parted ways this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard the inside information is that he got fired

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<v Speaker 1>for being too fabulous or what.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But he wouldn't say anything. He wouldn't answer any questions.

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<v Speaker 1>They took audience questions, he couldn't answer anything. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like being so I'm sure he's like nbaid to the hilts.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like, but why did you come do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was, like I was excited though, like to

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<v Speaker 1>see Avi. I mean, I was a Dynasty typewriter. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a small theater. I was right there with Akasha. And

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, if it comes to your city, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's called The Real Housewives unauthorized musical parody, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just really cracked me up.

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<v Speaker 4>If you like the Housewives, it was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Joke after Joe and Jared was loving it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand a quarter of the references, Like all the

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<v Speaker 1>references were like they want. They went through one time

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<v Speaker 1>and they all ordered a drink in a like a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy way, and then one of the characters that was

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<v Speaker 1>not a housewife was like, these are all real drink

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<v Speaker 1>orders from the show, like because they were so bonkers.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god. Anyway, I want to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good for Housewives fans and not fans alike.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mary Lou was so good because she was in

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<v Speaker 1>and out. Like at one point point she plays a

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<v Speaker 1>party attendee who's just too into it, so like the

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<v Speaker 1>housewives are fighting and she's just behind like what like

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<v Speaker 1>you know how there's always people at the parties in

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<v Speaker 1>the background that are like huh like and they're just

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<v Speaker 1>there were so many like you could just.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell the girl who wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually know Rachelle Mees and she like you could

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<v Speaker 1>just tell she likes the franchises, like she's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's all these funny songs and the different characters.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it incredible. Well what I love is love Hotel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love Hotel's amazing. My like it is just well,

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<v Speaker 2>not so much. Shannon's gonna have a hard time. I

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<v Speaker 2>could tell Shannon's struggling mentally. But the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>women are like they like dating, they like flirting. Luanne's

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<v Speaker 2>sluttie like they're in it. They're fine, they're not waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so give me a little bit of basic info.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are the ladies. It's Shannon, Luanne, Giselle, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Darby and Ashley okay. And then the men, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, are all like in their thirties to sixties okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and more we're on the older side, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have some young ones for uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley to be there. And but the women are like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not being tied down, like back off or they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't he kiss me?

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<v Speaker 2>What a loser? Just like really flirty women. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>really fun. But my favorite so like Shannon's talking to

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<v Speaker 2>this man. She goes, oh, do you know Andy Cohen? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your relationship with an? He goes who is that?

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<v Speaker 2>And she goes, he works at the network. This show

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<v Speaker 2>is on, And then it cuts to the man going,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't watch TV. I don't know any of these women.

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<v Speaker 4>We're here just I'm just here for love. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>even care about your guys status. That's so funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but I hope they find love. The guys are silly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like an air of unseeriousness but vulnerability in this

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<v Speaker 2>dating show that I think others don't. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's because we already love the women. They do

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<v Speaker 2>know how to be on TV. They're like dynamic and

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<v Speaker 2>we want them to have fun. Yeah, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that serious. If they find love or not, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But Luanne tells two guys she's like, stay here, boys,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be right back. Don't leave, and then she goes

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<v Speaker 2>to flirt with another man and they're both like, she's

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<v Speaker 2>not coming back. Let's go, I guess I like that power.

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<v Speaker 2>But shant that's the thing. The other three women are

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<v Speaker 2>really like that. And then Shannon's a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive and a little less experienced in the dating world.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she went from one bad husband to a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty terrible relationship, and so when a guy flirts with her,

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<v Speaker 2>it spends time, and then she sees him talking to

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<v Speaker 2>like Giselle, she kind of flips.

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<v Speaker 1>Out right, it's not really the venue for her. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the medium that like she needs for meeting people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also knew it going in because Portia and

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<v Speaker 2>Gizelle were on Watch What Happens Live this week and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a really fun episode as well, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of scoop about the show from them,

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<v Speaker 2>and Joel's doing a really fun job and he sticks

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<v Speaker 2>in a real housewife reference every other sentence, every other sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>like it is so cool. At one point he goes

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<v Speaker 2>and they're hung like bolo, and Luann goes, let's not

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<v Speaker 2>oversell these.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys, please, It's just fun. It's like a really cool thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what I hate about The Bachelor and like Love

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<v Speaker 2>is Blind, is the Christian marriage element, the conservatism, and.

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<v Speaker 4>This is just for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like great, I would love for them to

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<v Speaker 2>meet love, like have love. But it's also like they're

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<v Speaker 2>not desperate and they don't need to leave married to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're there for them, yeah, like we care about them,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't care what.

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<v Speaker 4>They're up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there like is there like are there like little

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<v Speaker 1>challenges and stuff like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that not yet?

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<v Speaker 5>Not yet?

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<v Speaker 2>They just met and it was basically like they mingled, mingled,

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<v Speaker 2>then they each pick one guy to go on a date,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that quickly goes back to mingling. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>the trailers, there's gonna be drama where it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>can't talk to other people, and Gazelle going, I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be talking to other people, you know. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like there's gonna it's gonna get juicier and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more like fights, I'm sure, But right now, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like they're in Mexico. It's fun and I'm I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>happy to have this show leading us into the spring

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<v Speaker 2>summer as I don't go outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm going to check it out. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to check it I'm excited. I'm just like a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit behind right now on My Housewives, Well just really

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta right now. I guess nothing else is on right

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<v Speaker 1>behind on anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>I caught up on the whole Beverly Hills, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think just a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lumber Yeah, but yeah, watch I don't really, I'll watch

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<v Speaker 1>the house I'll watch the reunion.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, you'd never know.

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<v Speaker 1>The page content is all over my my pages, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really I'm in a page wonderland right now. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing so many snippets and snappets.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I loved it because she was on Watch what

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<v Speaker 2>Happens and Andy goes, what's your response to shep calling

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<v Speaker 2>Giggly Squad that dumb ass talk show, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>bless his heart. So it's like using his own Southern

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<v Speaker 2>language against him, like truly number two on the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times bestseller list. Yeah, it's like, really, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>such a moment to try to come after them, like,

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<v Speaker 2>of course these guys all look like fucking losers. But

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<v Speaker 2>not Bravo. But I've been watching Hacks and I'm loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get started on my most recent season of Hacks.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>That show does such a good job of like always

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<v Speaker 2>taking me to a place I never see coming, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a surprising show to me, Like I always

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going to happen next, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe people that tell me they don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what they're just like, I think they're haters. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's people that are haters that are haters. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost always probably feel that are in the business.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost never, you know, it's not like a person

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, well, yeah, I work on a farm and

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<v Speaker 1>I hate hacks. Like, I don't know. I think people

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. It's just a good show. I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, trying to catch up. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you we just recorded an episode. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't say which one or anything, but we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about where Stabler, where we think Stabler would go on

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<v Speaker 1>family vacations with his family, if he ever took the

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<v Speaker 1>time to do that. And Lisa was saying camping, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am taking Rosie camping this week, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>camping overnight for the first time, but it's for cub scouts.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not I didn't like choose this. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing a trip and I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>And then how many chaperones are there or each kid

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<v Speaker 2>has to bring a parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Each kid's with a parent, and some kids have both

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<v Speaker 1>their parents or whatever. But I'm just we're just going,

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<v Speaker 1>me and Rosie. I don't think we can. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the first time I camp with Rosie can be Jared,

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<v Speaker 1>who's never camped once, and then also Oscar.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just too much chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're just I literally, as we speak, have a

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<v Speaker 1>tent set up in my in my yard because I

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<v Speaker 1>set it up to air it out and borrowed a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of shit and i'mhidd into the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But smart of you to air it out. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have thought. Yeah, but I'll never do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I know how to set up a tent.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to do this stuff from camp, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, I don't camp a lot. I haven't slept

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<v Speaker 1>in a tent outside like that in decades. Because it

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<v Speaker 1>be so cute, I think it's gonna be cute. I

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<v Speaker 1>think she's gonna be so pumped to just be like

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping in a little tent with me, and like she's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna run around with all her friends and make s'mores

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<v Speaker 1>and shit.

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<v Speaker 4>She's gonna love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is it, and I'll give everyone a head up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully there's tickets still available. But Marishka Hargate is premiering

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary about Jane Mansfield during her mother during the

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<v Speaker 2>Tribeca Film Festival. There's the Carnegie Hall like premiere, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's an East I have an extra ticket to

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<v Speaker 2>one that I'm not going to go to anymore, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can DM me as well. But there's three nights

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<v Speaker 2>showings and by the time this airs, the tickets have

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<v Speaker 2>been on sale honestly for a week. You're probably not

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<v Speaker 2>getting a ticket, but know that it's happening, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there are some left. And I have one, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have one to give you for that Saturday showing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's called My Mom Jane is the name of

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<v Speaker 1>this doc. Yeah, I'm excited. Cool, Yeah it is. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so grateful, Lacey listens. Thank you for giving me the

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<v Speaker 1>heads up. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, speaking of cute stuff about the camping, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing shows in Rhode Islands. Great weekend comedy connection. What

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<v Speaker 2>a great place, thinks everyone that came out to see me.

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<v Speaker 2>But these both late night shows. These people out of

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<v Speaker 2>their minds. I mean, the drunkest, wildest people angry met

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<v Speaker 2>like a bachelor party of fifty five year old bald men,

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of them bald. I guess they were

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<v Speaker 2>all holding each other like a tree, like they were

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<v Speaker 2>all like kind of canoodling in the back. I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know what was going on, but people

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<v Speaker 2>were out of their minds. But the Friday night, these

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<v Speaker 2>two women who had just met are talking during my

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<v Speaker 2>set in the front and I go, you guys, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta stop.

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<v Speaker 4>This is crazy what you're doing, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Phones out fully having a full conversation like I'm not there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And when I sit, when I stop them, they go,

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<v Speaker 2>it's mom's stuff. It's waving me away, it's mom's stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, what are you fucking talking about? You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out in on the conversation. I want you to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just moms. Like it was kind of like move

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<v Speaker 2>it along, go do your thing. We're doing mom's stuff here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they were blacked out, like obviously they needed

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<v Speaker 2>a break from their lives, but like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>And I got so Max, I'm like, what do you mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom's like, yeah, obviously I said me and stuff because

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<v Speaker 2>I was so mad. But and then happened twice where

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, we're just moms. Yeah, that's I'm super not shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Rhode Island.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't really get Rhode Island's identity, but

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like a cousin of Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>And I ever, half the crowd was Massachusetts people from

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<v Speaker 2>all over.

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<v Speaker 4>They hate Delaware.

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<v Speaker 2>People said Delaware smells, and then everyone started applauding. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they hate Delaware in a way I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not know. I did not know, but and I

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<v Speaker 2>got a DM from someone being like, oh, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful day in New England. The crowd's about to be

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<v Speaker 2>fairal and they were. They were right, they were, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, especially you were there right as probably spring

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<v Speaker 1>is springing, where like they've been let out of the

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<v Speaker 1>cage after a month of being frozen.

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<v Speaker 2>So the sevens were like polite, and then the nine

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<v Speaker 2>thirties were just kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I hadfia to mop them off the floor. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end, I had to just give up control.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not gonna be in charge of my own show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to kind of resign to that whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's okay too, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it kind of even in and it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>even do crowd work with people that fucked up.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well they found a way. You paid?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you did you You talked to them, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I talk.

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<v Speaker 1>To a lot of about they would They probably were

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<v Speaker 1>like whether she wants to do crowd work or not.

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<v Speaker 2>She's talking to me. Oh oh yeah. They weren't interrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't care about timing. I mean, but whatever, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, as long as you give up your uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everything you planned on performing and working.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, you can have a Were.

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<v Speaker 1>You in Providence, Providence, Rhode Island. Yeah, yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice town. I like Providence. I like Providence. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we get started with today's episode. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of episode coming atcha. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>you can go to That's messed Up live dot com

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<v Speaker 1>for our promo codes, tour dates for Lisa, all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of merch ship like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know I'm on the road about it, letting

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<v Speaker 2>near you.

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<v Speaker 4>You can even take a trip. Yeah, I was buying

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<v Speaker 4>New Orleans tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured it out because I'm a genius, and I

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<v Speaker 2>use miles, and I changed the date of a flight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to stand extra day whatever flights around trip

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<v Speaker 2>main cabin. I'm talking Row twenty eight. Like everything else

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<v Speaker 2>is sold out from New York's to New Orleans fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it jazz Fest or something. I don't fucking know.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even look, but and I waited a little

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<v Speaker 2>too close to maybe too Wow, it's still three weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of time, and it was fifteen hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm a genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy I ended up being able to book my flight

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty two thousand miles. And then I got a

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<v Speaker 2>return on Monday because I'm staying there, like paying for

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<v Speaker 2>my lodging, you know, And so my return I got

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<v Speaker 2>for three hundred something dollars. So I did break the system,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am a genius. But that's you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>really have to play the game there. Okay, Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>starting the episode.

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<v Speaker 4>First, starting.

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<v Speaker 1>Alright, alright, exciting today we are doing the episode Closet,

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<v Speaker 1>Season nine, episode sixteen, airing back in two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 1>The episode starts with some young dude like in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>suit sweater, vest ugly shirt running into a boardroom filled

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<v Speaker 1>with suits.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got binders. He looks stressed.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts typing on like what looks like a little

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<v Speaker 1>touchscreen sidekick, like it's the one. It's like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>touch screen, but you turn it sideways. And he's calling

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<v Speaker 1>some guy Jeremy on the phone, going why are you late?

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get your balls busted or whatever, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a suit comes up to the young guy and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>where's your boss? No bullshit, and he's like, Jeremy, schedule

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>this whole dog and pony show. And I'm not canceling

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<v Speaker 1>because he's sleeping off a bender. It's like, okay, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of information already. Does Jeremy have a drinking problem?

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening? And I was wondering where the term dog

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<v Speaker 1>and pony show came from because that doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>that exciting of a show. I mean, I like dogs

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<v Speaker 1>and ponies, but you know, and I guess that was

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<v Speaker 1>the main form of entertainment in rural America back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, and that's where the phrase came from. And

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<v Speaker 1>now we have love is blind, so you know, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is pissed. This suit and he wants the

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<v Speaker 1>young guy to like, go get Jeremy's ass in here now.

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<v Speaker 1>So young guy shows up at Jeremy's apartment and there's

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<v Speaker 1>an alarm going off and he's like, like a not

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<v Speaker 1>an alarm, like a fire alarm, like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>radio clock alarm, and he's like, what the fuck is

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 4>Get up? Get He like goes into the room. He

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<v Speaker 4>sees like an arm sticking out of the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, fuck you slept in and he pulls back

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<v Speaker 1>the sheet like a magician revealing a trick. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we just see his face and he looks shocked, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we hard cut to a dead guy in

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<v Speaker 1>his pj's with his mouth gaping.

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<v Speaker 4>Open but also weirdly smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so creepy, and Benson goes looks like he died, laughing,

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and Warner adds or screaming. It's like wow. Within thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>the show is so fucking creepy. And again I write,

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<v Speaker 1>I am unclear about the mouth open, eyes open after

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<v Speaker 1>death thing, like I don't really understand, but they do

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<v Speaker 1>get to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just wrote it down.

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<v Speaker 1>Here earlier because I was like, how come some people

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<v Speaker 1>are like eyes wide open, and some people are eyes

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<v Speaker 1>shut and mouth open and this and that. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>fluids on his body, there's bruising, there's anal tearing, so

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>there was penetration. And Stabler goes, oh, but getting raped

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't kill him. Milinda's like, no, he was asphyxiated, cause

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>there she is our old friend Petiki. Okay, like that

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<v Speaker 1>it should be somebody's drag name. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the stage, Petiki. His knuckles are also fucked up,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe he fought back, and the time of death

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<v Speaker 1>is like one am. So then Stabler asks what I'm asking,

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<v Speaker 1>why does his mouth look like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And Melinda's like, well, he must have had an object

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<v Speaker 1>wedged in there before rigger set in, So then whoever

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<v Speaker 1>killed him like hung around and then yanked the ballgag

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<v Speaker 1>out of his mouth after the body got stiff, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't really make sense, and Melinda's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and whoever did that also move the body. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the assistant, Sam Edelstein, who that sounds just

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<v Speaker 1>like a comedian we would know, but I'm sort of

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<v Speaker 1>shocked he was an assistant based on how he was

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>talking to the guy like in the messages, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't. I thought he was maybe just like

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<v Speaker 1>a junior associate. But he's like, oh, I'm his assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, can you call your assistant and go where

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<v Speaker 1>your boss? And go where are you? You're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>your ball, like your ball, They're gonna bust your balls.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, I didn't get the assistant vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>But so they're all like they're all just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like looking at him, and Melinda goes, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>really quick to say that he didn't touch the body,

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of giving yourself away.

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<v Speaker 4>You're telling on yourself, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>And then our girl, CSU Captain Judas Ciper, friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the pod, says she's got something. And there's a jim

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<v Speaker 1>bag with an ID tag that says Jeremy Haynes and

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<v Speaker 1>that bag was found stuffed down a garbage shoot down

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<v Speaker 1>the hallway. And the bag is a real party. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got a red leather ball gag. It's got satin restraints

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<v Speaker 1>and chaps. Baby, so he is ready for DragCon and

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<v Speaker 1>now we know why he was smiling, Stabler says, and

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<v Speaker 1>Benson goes, Jeremy had himself a little treasure chest and

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a playdate, and then the music swells and the camera

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<v Speaker 1>slowly zooms in on Sam the assistant, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>really reveals this, like truly heinous shirt he's wearing under

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:01.679
<v Speaker 1>his sweater, vest and jacket, and yeah, that's that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprised to see so much kink shaming and season nine, like,

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought they had progressed past that by then,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously not yet. No, and this is even pre

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<v Speaker 1>Rollins and Rollins has been judgment. You know that's true, Judge, Yeah,

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>that's true. But so now we're at the credits, and

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<v Speaker 1>after we come back from credits, they've got Sam in

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>woodroom lines and they're getting the rundown from him. They're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you just found your boss cozy underneath the sheets and

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 1>his jammys and he's like, m hm, that's right, and

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Stabler flashes him the ballgag and he denies seeing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stabler tells Benson, why don't you go run it

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>for Prince? The perp definitely touched it, and then little

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Sammy is spooped and he's like wait, wait, wait, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. I freaked out when I saw that

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>thing in his mouth, I pulled it out. And then

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, and did you also like put him

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<v Speaker 1>in the pjs And he's like, yeah, he was in

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the chaps when I found him. I didn't want his

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>kink to get into the press, right cause that is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing the New York Post likes to

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<v Speaker 1>fucking run with. You know, anybody having a little fun

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<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday night and then ending up dead. They

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>love to run with that. And he's like, this isn't

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>like a gay thing. Jeremy wasn't in the closet. He

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>was out to Like he basically says, this wasn't a

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 1>gay thing, Like I wasn't trying to hide people finding

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>out that he was gay. Jeremy wasn't in the closet.

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>He was out to everybody he knew, Like that was

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>no secret. It was just the kink part I was

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 1>trying to hide. And he tells them that he got

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.479
<v Speaker 1>into the apartment with his own key, and they're like,

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>you have your own key. It's like, yeah, he's his assistant.

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>He house sits when he travels, like most people have that,

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I used to have access to everything of my

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>bosses like all of his passwords, like I could have

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 1>done anything. Benson and Stabler so awkwardly now are trying

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to go this kid into saying that he and Jeremy

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:39.959
<v Speaker 1>were fucking, but I'm not getting that vibe from him

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 1>at all. And He's like, no, like we were not lovers,

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Like no, you're wrong, and Stabler's like painting a whole picture,

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>like you guys.

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 4>Were messing around.

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>You choked him too hard, you set it up to

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>be able to find the body. And then Sam's like, well,

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I was actually working till two am with fifteen other assistants,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of strange to me to not ask

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the alibi first, Like a lot of this work of

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys creating the soul story could have been shot

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>down just by going, so where were you at one am?

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh me at the office. There's fifteen people that can

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<v Speaker 4>corroborate it. Great.

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Now we don't have to like make up this story

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>about you too, fucking like and Sam is standing strong

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, yeah, you can check my DNA whatever

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you want to do. I didn't kill him, and he's like,

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>they tell he tells them that Jeremy was single, he

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 1>worked so much he did enough time to meet guys,

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, wait, maybe it was one of his kids,

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and stablers immediately like he's a dad, and then it's like, no,

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 1>not his own kids. He volunteered at a shelter for

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>homeless gay teens last week. One of them beat him

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>up so bad he had to miss work. Oh will Yeah,

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at William's house and the guy running

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the shelter is like, no way. The kids love Jeremy.

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>They're good kids, he said, and their parents toss them

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>out just because they're gay and lives like and if

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>we run their rap sheets, they're gonna be squeaky clean.

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>It's again, it's like Live A't season nine. You don't understand,

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>like how like rap sheets so actually matter? Yeah, and

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 1>how kids get like fully thrown onto a bus from

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Iowa come to a city with nothing, like what do

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they you know? And he's like, I'm dealing with drugs,

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>petty theft, sex for survival. They all got records, but

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>they're not criminals. And I love that. I'm like put

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>that on a shirt. They all got records, but they're

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>not criminals. They're just kids, you know, just they just

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>want to know about the one who had beef with Jeremy,

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and the guy's like, wow, he's not a murderer. He's

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>just a confused kid. His name is Freddy Ramirez, but

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>he's not here. He works at a gym in Hell's Kitchen.

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>When they get to the gym, they see a lady

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>bending over showing off her hot ass, and when she

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>pops up to say she's the manager, we recognize it

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>is the icon Laverne Cox in one of her first

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>acting roles ever. She of course went on to star

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>in Oranges and New Black and Promising Young Women and

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>inventing Anna, which I never watched but I wanted to.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 4>She's in tons of stuff.

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>She's like a very famous actor now and transactivist. And

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>she clocks Maloney and gives him a little per She

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>likes what she sees. She's like, I'm canvas. And then

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>they ask about Freddy and she's like, what did that

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 1>little devil do?

0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 4>Now?

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>She thinks he has sticky fingers and steal shit from

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the lockers, and she'd fire him, but the members love

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>him right, and she thinks he must have gone into

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a fight because he's got a big old bruise and

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>this kid has a temper. So Sabler goes to find

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Freddy in the locker room, and he's doing exactly what

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>she's worried that he's doing.

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 4>She's bent over rooting through lockers.

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Like Sabler busts in, and like it's like you might

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>just say, hey, you're not on locker room duty anymore,

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you just have to like mop the bathroom. I

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>don't really know, but this kid is in there going

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>on a little shopping spree.

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>How I feel with my laundry girl, she is losing

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>my items. I am getting other people's sucks, but I

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>keep on going.

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 4>The customer's lover, the customer's lover.

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>So Stabler, you know, goes hey, Freddy or whatever, and

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>then of course the kid runs.

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 4>There's a chase, but it's short. Stabler grabs him.

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>And this guy playing Freddy is named David del Rio,

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and he he had been in like a few things,

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>but nothing I'd really heard of. But then he it

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>seems like he has just hit his big break because

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>he is a regular on the New mattlock Seas with

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Kathy Bates, so kludos to him, which people love, and

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>his people are watching it.

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. They bring him into interrogation. He's being kg.

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 4>He hates the cops.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>He tells them, oh, is that the movie with my friends?

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler's like, oh, what what's up with the massive

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>bruise on your face? He truly has a huge bruise,

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>like on his whole cheek, and he admits he got

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>into a fight with Jeremy, and he goes, bitch, thought

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>he was tough, and then he looks shook though when

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Stabler mentions that Jeremy was killed, like he did not know,

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, no, no, no, no no. This guy

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>box to stay in shape, and I told him you

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>ain't fought until you use your bare knuckles. So he's

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>saying that these two fought for exercise purposes, like not

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>in any anger. And he hasn't seen Jeremy in a

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>few days. And Benson is on the other side of

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the glass watching when Melinda comes in with some interesting info.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>The blood found in the apartment is a match for Freddy.

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>The semen sample found on Jeremy was mixed, probably his

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>own Semen mixed with the purpse Semen, and she'll test

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it and let them know if it matches for Freddy.

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>So now they're like, Freddie, what's up dog? Like, why

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>was your blood in this dude's apartment? And he says,

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, I was at Jeremy's place. I was hanging

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>with him watching the Knicks because he has a sick

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>plasma TV.

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 4>And then I got like a raging nosebleed.

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.239
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler's like, sure you did, jan And then he

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>says he got home before twelve and the house has

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>a midnight curfew, so he's like, I signed in, you

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>can check.

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 4>And Stabler's like, what's up with you too?

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you and Jeremy something going on there, and Freddy's like,

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I tried, but Jeremy shot me down. He said I

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>was too young. So I do stand A man who

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, keeps it, keeps age in mind. Freddie also

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>says that Jeremy told him he was serious about someone.

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>He said the guy traveled all the time, but that

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>they've been together for a few years. And Benson's like, oh,

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 1>that's funny. Nobody else knows about this dude, and Freddie goes, well,

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that guy is famous and in the closet and he's

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>psycho about his privacy, so that's why no one's talking

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>about him. So now Stabler and Benson are talking and

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>they're they're like, so Jeremy and closet Boy are playing

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Broke Mountain. I mean they love to get in a

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>current reference. Things get rough and Jeremy gets killed. Closet

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Boy splits because he can't be found in his dead

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>gay lover's apartment. So then Chester Lake pipes up. We

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>can't forget at season nine, we are going to get

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>a little sprinkling of Lake in here. And he says,

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Freddy's alibi checks out and he's on camera out the

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>shelter at eleven forty five, never leaving. Also, Sam, the

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>assistant is in the clear. All the assistants he was

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>with were like, you know, corroborated his alibi. So now

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 1>we've got to find closet Guy as they're calling him,

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler goes, would you miss your boyfriend's funeral? And

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Live goes, yeah, if I was famous and in the closet,

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>how am I going to show up crying at a

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>gay man's grave? And then Stabler goes, make sure no

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>one else is there to see you. So now cut

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>to them checking out footage from a polecam, which Munch

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>goes a CoP's best friend polecam and it's like an

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>interesting take from the Big brother is watching you member

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of the squad for him to be like sweet CCTV

0:33:58.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>love it, Like he seems like he'd be against that.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>But a guy jumps the cemetery fence at three am.

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty dark, they can't see his face. It looks

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>like he's praying, and then Stabler goes, holy crap, rewind,

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>so they stop. They do one of these impossible tech

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>things they do on SVU where they blow it up

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>and nothing about the image changes really or degrades at all,

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and no wonder he's in the closet. That's Lincoln Haver,

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>the best quarterback in pro football. And Stabler looks like

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know up from down. He literally cannot believe

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 1>that a gay pro football player exists in the world.

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what else, I'm thinking, So this motherfucker

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is working what fifteen hours a day Monday through Friday,

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and then during football season, I get I bet he's

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>watching all day Sunday.

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what you know what I mean?

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm selling him short, but I'm like, are you

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 2>fucking kidding me?

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 4>No, You're he's watching the yes.

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>In the spring watch he's watching all this, but he's

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>watching the Knicks in the winter, he's watching it all.

0:34:54.640 --> 0:35:02.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Calf, Yeah, yeah, sorry, Calf. Top of ac two.

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Finn and Lake are just two broads gossiping. They're like

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 1>reading a magazine and they're like, Lincoln Haver is gay.

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was dating Natasha Gorski, that hot supermodel.

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>And Jeremy must have hated seeing his man all over

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the rags with a gal pal, right, Stabler's like, you

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>can't blame him for having a beard. He'd lose his

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>career if he came out, and Lake's like, well, a

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 1>bunch of players have come out, Dave Kope, Roy Simmons,

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Asara Tuola. And then he asked, Finn, are you related

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to the last guy? And Finn's like, it's Tootuola, you dumbass,

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Like that's so insane. It's like asking me if I'm

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>related to someone with the last name Clark. It's kind

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 1>of close, it's not the same last name, so we're

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>not related. And then he points out something very important.

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>All of those guys came out after they retired. At

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 1>that point, there had not been an openly gay player

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>on the field, even Michael sam who I always think

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>of as the first openly gay player drafted into the NFL.

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>He was drafted by the Saint Louis Rams in twenty fourteen,

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>but he never played in a regular.

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 4>Season game because because he was gay.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Who's to say, but Carl Nasib who came out in

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>June of twenty twenty one, became the first active NFL

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>player four years ago, and he played for the Cleveland Browns,

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the Tampa Bay back in the years, and the Las

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.919
<v Speaker 1>Vegas Raiders, and he retired in twenty twenty three after

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>seven seasons. So he played a couple seasons as an

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 1>ougay man. I don't actually know if Moore have followed

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>his in his path, like football seems one of the

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.720
<v Speaker 1>more agro sports to come out in, but they're like okay,

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>So Lincoln was not in the mood to be a

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>trailblazer or lose the bag. Finn points out that he

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>just signed a three year contract for forty million dollars

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and he's a spokesperson for Power Drink, which is a

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>funny little copyright thing. Lives like they can't fire him

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>for being gay. He could sue and Stabler's like, no, girl,

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>these contracts have morals clauses. They can drop him if

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>he damages the product's reputation. And then Finn goes, yeah,

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>like when folks start calling power Drink Pansy Drink, and

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, come on, power Twink was right there. Why

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>would you not say power Twink? Like so, anyway, I

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, hire me to wait for the show live.

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Does not get why it's a big deal for a

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>football player to be gay, Like she's truly not understanding

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight, how this is not still

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>like happening, And Stabler's like, Lincoln har is my kid's hero,

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Like his posters are all over all these kids' walls.

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, okay, let's go talk to Dicky Stabler's hero.

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>So now they're at a practice field in the Bronx

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>where someone is literally yelling Blue twenty two, which I

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 1>like associate with ace Ventura, Like I just I feel

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>like Blue twenty two, like that feels like the only

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:34.399
<v Speaker 1>football play I would ever know in a million years,

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and someone's actually yelling it in the show, you know

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's like somebody going hut hut hike,

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's so, it was just funny to me, and

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 1>then I but I guess it's some kind of legit play.

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.439
<v Speaker 1>I googled it, but I couldn't understand it. Players are

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>hitting on Benson as she walks on to the field, going,

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I got a cramp. You want to rub my cramp

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>out like shit like that? And I wouldn't mind Benson

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>having like a one night er with a pro football player.

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Let's let her have some fun.

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>They approach Lincoln and he is played by the actor

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Bailey Chase.

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 4>He's very handsome and he.

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Says, we're here to talk to you about Jeremy Haynes

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh yeah, he's my business manager. And

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>they're like, well, we know he managed your penis as well,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, nah, I gotta go, and he starts

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to walk away, and then they show him the photo

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that they captured somehow in the dark of him visiting

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a grave and he's like, okay, well, I cannot talk

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 1>to you here. So they bring him to the warm

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>hospitality of cement room bars and he's explaining that should

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:34.240
<v Speaker 1>at least be in woodblind that's crazy, I know, yeah,

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Like he hasn't done anything yet I don't know. I

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 1>would think that NFL. You would also just like as

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>a celebrity, you'd first get wood room blinds, you know.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.839
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, listen, i'd been in a photo shoot

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>in Miami, and that's why I went to the grave

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>in the night.

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 4>Like I didn't. I couldn't get back in time for

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 4>the funeral.

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Whatever that look going at three am is what fit

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>my schedule is basically what he's saying. And Benson is like, Babe,

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>we're getting a court order for your DNA and he's like,

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I would never hurt Jeremy. We were friends, Stablers like

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you guys were lovers, like we know, and he says yeah,

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 1>he basically drops it. He's like, yeah, we were going

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to go public, but it's not like, you know, we

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>can just come out with it like and Stablers like yeah,

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>because you'd be kicked out of football. And Lincoln's like,

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I've been playing the game since I was six. The

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>game is my life. If I had to choose, though,

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I would choose Jeremy. And the night he was murdered,

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.399
<v Speaker 1>where was Lincoln? And he goes with Jeremy. I had

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>dinner with Jeremy and my agent and Natasha, and he goes.

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>They go, you had a date with your boyfriend and

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>your girlfriend. That's ballsy, and they're like, well, my agent

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>hooked me up with her, and Jeremy was kind of

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>tired of all the games. Lincoln wanted to just do

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>one more season. He's like, I just wanted one more

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 1>shot at a championship ring. And after dinner, Natasha took

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>him for a few drinks at some hot new club.

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't remember which one because he was wasted, and

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>all he knows is that he went home with Natasha.

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Cut to Natasha, okay, and she's like, yeah, I wish

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.439
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't come home with me. That night sucked and

0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>he never spends the night. She goes, Link's a hit

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and run kind of guy, Team Curfew, Early Flight, et cetera.

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>He's always making something up. And she's like, my publicists

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>pushed him on me. I don't know I'd be dating

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>his agent and teammates and business manager. If he'd rather

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>screw around with boys, that's fine with me. And then

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Benson goes, so you knew about him and Jeremy, and

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Natasha's like, knew what? And uh oh, Benson just made

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a booboo. Natasha did not know, and then.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 2>She should have lied faster, like I'm sorry, Benson, I'm

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>like so disappointed at her that she couldn't, like come.

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 4>Up with a fast lie.

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>You guys are undercover, pretending to be Russian cleaning ladies,

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>pretending to be people adopting babies. You can't like come

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>up with a quick lie, like or get yourself out

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of it really fast, like come on.

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was really upset. Yeah.

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>So this is a big plot point of the episode

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that Benson basically lets this shit slip and Natasha's like

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they were not fucking and then she's like, oh my god,

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>she's just finding this out. Thank you Benson force billing,

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and Natasha's like that explains everything. There's nothing wrong with

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>these girls, referring to her tits just girls.

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 4>She runs over to her bag and grabs her phone.

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>She calls a friend named Shanad, does not wait for

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>it to ring, She just picks it up and goes

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Shanade and she's about to blab, and Stabler grabs her

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 1>phone and is like, don't ruin Dickie's hero, Like, don't

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, please, don't ruin Dickie's hero. You know, And

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Natasha is pissed. She's like, he used me, and she

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>calls him you.

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.839
<v Speaker 4>Know him too, that was the only reason you were

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:33.879
<v Speaker 4>with him is to use him.

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 1>If it's a publicist connected relationship, then you're both it's

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a mutual user, and you should assume he's gay. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, she calls him a three letter slur

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>for a gay man. And then Benson tries to go

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 1>her to chill and she's freaking out that maybe he

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 1>gave her aids like she does not seem like a

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>very evolved person and lives like you can get that

0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>from anyone.

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 4>Actually, did you two use a condom?

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 1>And then she's like, get out of here, and she

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>finishes the condom with her friend, who I guess has

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 1>been on hold this whole time, called the.

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Condom it's been it was really funny. We're leaving it in.

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 2>What did I call it a condom? You said, Oh,

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 2>she gets back on the condom.

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she hops back on the condom.

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 4>No, I was reading. I get back on the condom.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So she finishes her convo pardon me, with her friend

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>who's been on hold the whole time, and she's like Shanade,

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>he's a homo.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 4>Link is an ass bands.

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I love that They were like, what should we call

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>her Shanade? Like it's also such a wild name. Yeah, yeah, completely.

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.479
<v Speaker 2>She's telling Shanaid that Link is a homo. She goes,

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Link is an ass Bandit can you believe it?

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like wild, like the word she's using, and she

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>tells them she goes right before they leave, she goes

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>check in with Gary Leslie, his agent.

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.280
<v Speaker 4>My ex boyfriend is going to need a new job.

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>And then cut to them talking to Gary Leslie and

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>now he is played by Rick Hoffman, who I recognize

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>as one of the main dudes from Suits. I think

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 1>that's this guy's claim to fame is that he's like

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the guy from Suits, right.

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I know him. He's a commercial actor. Yeah.

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a great actor, this guy. Oh really yeah,

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I think he's very good. And he talks about well,

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Natasha was on a rampage, but I shut her up

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and he promised her the cover of the swimsuit is

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>shoe and got her friend Shanade on the view. Who

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>is Shanade? We're talking about Shanade so much, like that's

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the thing. You're right, they picked Shanade Like if you

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>would picked the name like Lindsay, we would have been like,

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 1>oh is she friends with Lindsay Lohan?

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 4>Like it could be vague, you know what I mean?

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>But instead it's like shanade O Connor's the only famous one,

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:40.839
<v Speaker 1>So what are you talking about?

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But also, like I understand the view that's like a

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>quick favor, Like you know it's just promo stuff, but

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you're telling me you could just favor your way into

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the cover of Sports Illustrated. That must be like, like

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I understand if it's to be in the Sports Illustrated, Like, oh,

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 2>we'll give you this feature. I have this client, can

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>you do this for me? Like they all know each other,

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:02.879
<v Speaker 2>but the cover just.

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>But this guy reps so many he probably reps so

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.959
<v Speaker 1>many sports guys that he's like, get her on the cover.

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you exclusives after the super Bowl with my guys,

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>all these got you know what I mean, Like maybe

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it was that kind of deal. I just think it's

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>what he made with Sports Illustrated.

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I know. I just think it's such a big deal.

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>And there's usually like an intention behind the cover model

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 2>and like they're trying to tell a story, you know,

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 2>not to get and not to make bring more depth

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>into something that might not have it. But I just

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.840
<v Speaker 2>am like any favorite, they must have some sort of

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>integrity or like, yeah, I guess we won't have Heidi Clume.

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure we'll take this bitch like what yeah, and no offense.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't look like a sport like she doesn't. That's

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 2>not the vibe I even got from her.

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally.

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get the sexiest model to ever live that

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 2>like met will appeal to men and women and sell

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.359
<v Speaker 2>these magazines. I was like, okay, so she's like an

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>actress on the CW. Like that's what I got, which

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 2>you have to be very hot to do too. No,

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:12.720
<v Speaker 2>no knocking this woman, but like Sports insane, it's like Padma.

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.399
<v Speaker 1>So the cover of the Sports Illustrated magazine in two

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.439
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, the year that this episode came out,

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 1>is that right, was it eight?

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Two thousand and eight? Okay?

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>The cover of the swim Sports Illustrated Swimsuit is she

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>from two thousand and eight?

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 4>Is Marissa Miller?

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean this is what I mean. Like she

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 4>was so fucking famous.

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at the time I saw her face fucking everywhere

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 2>that this bitch is not her.

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, the lawyer, Gary Leslie is like, are you

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>sure this isn't some kind of mix up, and they're like, no,

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln told us he was gay, and Gary's like, I

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>can't believe it. The guy's a chick magnet. I get

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>laid just being out with him. And he wants to

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 1>know how Natasha found out, and Benson confesses like, well,

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I kind of made an oopsie, like I just you know,

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>let it slip. And they asked if he thinks Lincoln

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>is capable of murder, and he's like, no way, he's

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a teddy bear off the field.

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:07.879
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't have it in and to kill.

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at Melinda's house and she's got the

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>lowdown on the jizz as usual, Lincoln Semen was on

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's carpet and on Jeremy and this carpet Semen could

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 1>be old, but the Jeremy fluids were fresh, and they

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 1>want to know if it's possible that he may be

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>choked on the ballgag during sex, and Melinda's like, that's

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>what the killer wanted you to think. But she thinks

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the ballgag was inserted post mortem. This guy's Jeremy's hyoid

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>bone was broken, which means he was strangled with something

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was definitely something cylindrical and it left a

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>diamond pattern on like under his skin. So like a bar,

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a dumbbell bar is what they're narrowing the weapon down

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to be. And Lincoln says that his set was short.

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 1>One bar in his house. That's what CSU said, So

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 1>they think Lincoln must have taken the bar with him

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 1>after he killed him, and that's enough for a search

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>warrant of his house. Now they're at Har's apartment building

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to get this nerd at the front desk to

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 1>let them in, and then suddenly they're smashing glass. We

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 1>hear try running to daddy F word slur and we

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>see Lincoln outside the building getting his ass beat by

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 1>these guys and then a bunch of guys run away.

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Stablor chases them, but he's too slow, and Live calls

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a bus for Lincoln and goes his secrets out in

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Now, Benson is telling Lincoln like wow, like

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.320
<v Speaker 1>your skull is fractured, and like do you remember anything.

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, I was walking home I hurt a

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>car and then I heard a guy yell the F word,

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and then something hit his head. He tried fighting them,

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>but there was too many of them. He couldn't get

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a look at any of their faces, and then he

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of passes out. While he's talking to Benson, Sailor

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>gets a call from Finn saying there was no weapon

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:46.439
<v Speaker 1>found at Lincoln's house. Saylor says, well, we should hand

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 1>off the gay bashing Tobias crimes and then we can

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>work the homicide. And then Gary Leslie, the agent, walks

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>in right as they're walking out, and sarcastically goes, oh, hey,

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 1>good job, detectives, and he's like, I'm filing charges against

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>you both individually and against NYP for outing Link and

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:05.760
<v Speaker 1>getting him attacked. Hours later, apparently someone linked this entire

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>thing to a shock jock named Sportsman Larry, who told

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.839
<v Speaker 1>five million listeners that Link is a big flaming F word.

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 1>They are using the F word so much in this episode,

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>and whenever I'm saying word, they're using the full word.

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 4>Just keep that in mind.

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 1>And Gary thinks the cops leaked it, and suddenly there's

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>beeps and boops and Lincoln is crashing and everyone gets

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 1>kicked out of the room. In the next scene, Benson

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and Stable are listening to Sportsman Larry on the radio

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>talking about sissy's in sports and he sounds like a

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>real asshole, and he his voice by the late great

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Richard Lewis. He does not appear on the episode, but

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 1>his voice is Sportsman Larry, and I think that's kind

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of funny Rip also known as like Larry David's Besty

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 1>from Curb. He's joking about how football is America's game

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and there's no place for gays in the game. He

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>says Lincoln Haver should have been a cheerleader if he

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 1>wants to be back in the game. It's really a

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of a regard talk. And back in the precinct,

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Dad's mad. Craigan is like what did you two do?

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>They're like, now, what you think? And he's like, well

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>tell that to the gay rights group picketing one PP

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, well, I mean, at least there's somebody

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 1>from the other side picketing, because so far it's just

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 1>been hate attacks and Sportsman Larry and Stabler's like, yeah,

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>we didn't talk to Sportsman Larry, Like we both honestly

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 1>worked here for a decade. Did you think we went

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>to sportsman Larry for a leak? And it's stable. I'm like,

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Stabler is Catholic, but I don't see him spilling to

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a homophobic shock jock, Like that's not what I really

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.320
<v Speaker 1>see as his mo. But the bad news keeps coming.

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 1>IAB is now investigating Benson and Stabler about this, and

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln haveaer is in a coma live you're first up

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to talk to IAB. So now she's chatting with her

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 1>future boyfriend and friend of the pod, Bobby Burke aka

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Ed Tucker, And in the past five days she's called

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>this one number twelve times. He points out it's the

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>number for Kurt Moss, a guy who works at The Ledger.

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 1>And the if you'll remember, as we always talk about,

0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 1>is basically their cover for The New York Post, which

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.799
<v Speaker 1>is a rag. I mean, like there's some factual news

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>in it. I guess it's where page six is, but

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of sensational, really really rude headlines and

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. He doesn't get. But I think they

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:19.480
<v Speaker 1>also hate Trump, and they do a lot. They try

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to make Trump look stupid all the time, which I

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, so, I don't know there. My sister

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>dated a guy who exclusively read the New York Post,

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, he's dumb, you know what I mean,

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>if that's like the one paper that you're buying, Uh,

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:31.320
<v Speaker 1>yeah you can't.

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's not her husband. Don't worry. She got out. No,

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 4>I know, she's an educator. I know, I know. She

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 4>was like, well, I don't really read any newspapers.

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, you're getting news from other places, but

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to just pick up the New York Post and read

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 1>it every day is kind of insane. So Tucker doesn't

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>understand why she's calling a newspaper editor at ten pm,

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and Benson is like, well, it had nothing to do

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>with Lincoln Haber, and Tucker is not buying it. He

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 1>thinks she tipped off Moss, and Benson is denying it,

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 1>saying the gossip columnist must have listened to sportsman Larry.

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.280
<v Speaker 1>But Tucker's got news. The paper went to press before

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the Larry broadcasts, and Tucker's yeah, babah. So Tucker's like, so,

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 1>why did you call Moss? And Benson finally gives up.

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 1>She's like, we've been dating, and he's like who knows

0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 1>about this? And she's like nobody, and Tucker goes, so

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 1>you're creating this fictional booty call to save your own ass.

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he really did used to be such a

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>dick back in the day. Okay, Tucker, if she was

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.399
<v Speaker 1>leaking a story, I hardly think twelve phone calls would

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 1>be necessary, Like doesn't twelve phone calls feel more inconducive

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to dating than like one more detail and calling twelve times.

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>So she goes, he's my boyfriend and Tucker goes, yeah,

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and you're his source. So Benson comes storming into the

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.919
<v Speaker 1>pen at the precinct and he's like, well, Tucker took

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>my badge and shield and they're like why he and

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 1>she goes ask him and Tucker goes, she's suspended with

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 1>pay while we investigate, and Stabler goes, you're a son

0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of a bitch, and Tucker goes, your partner has been

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.879
<v Speaker 1>sleeping with an editor at the Ledger, Like I just wrote,

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>like okay, live, it's okay to fuck a journalist, but

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the Ledguer is trash, Like come on, girl, respect yourself,

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Like you could fuck someone at the New Yorker, Like

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you really could, like you're Olivia Benson. You're gorgeous, you're talented,

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 1>you're smart. You don't need to be fucking Ledger reporters.

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler you can tell his eyes are a little shocked.

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.239
<v Speaker 1>He does not believe it. He's like, she's aiding someone

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about it. She's dating a guy from

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:22.359
<v Speaker 1>the Ledger, Like.

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:22.879
<v Speaker 4>What the fuck?

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 1>And Tucker's like, oh, I guess you don't know her

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that well. And Stabler says, I know she'd never torpedo

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:29.839
<v Speaker 1>a case. And Tucker's like, well, sorry, but you didn't

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 1>even know she was screwing the paper boy, so I

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 1>guess you just don't know where that well. And this

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>whole conversation is an hr nightmare, like I can't believe

0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 1>that actually IAB is involved in this conversation using the

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:43.319
<v Speaker 1>phrase like screwing the paper boy. Craigan asked Stabler where

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.800
<v Speaker 1>he's going, and Stabler's like, you know where I'm going.

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.480
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at the office of the New York Ledger.

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Stabler shows up in the office of Kurt Moss and

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>look who it is. It's Bill Pullman, star of Independence

0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Day While you were sleeping and the Sinner on USA

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and a million other movies. Like, I mean, he's a

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.799
<v Speaker 1>true nineties movie star.

0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 4>I would say, like he was in so much stuff.

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you said while you were sleeping that's one

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 2>of Yeah, that's a Trager family favorite.

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 4>And is the guy in the Koma not Daddy Dodds.

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 1>So Daddy Dodds is in the coma of Sandra Bullock

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 1>falls in Love with Bill Pullman worth watching if you

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it.

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Great, great fos and the Parents. It's a lot of

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:28.760
<v Speaker 2>old actors that are funny.

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:31.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like, good, yeah, and I love Sandra Bullock and

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of anything, so I think it's fun. And he's like, oh,

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you must be Elliott. Olivia has a picture of you

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>in her living room, so okay, this is not a leak.

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>They are dating. He's been the living room, he's seen

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the photo. She has a frame photo of her her

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and Elliot.

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Interesting.

0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 4>Staylor does not want any of this small talk.

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like, Benson's been suspended because they think she leaked

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.919
<v Speaker 1>the Lincoln Haber story to you, and Stabler goes, who

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 1>gave you the story? And he's like, come on, you

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.759
<v Speaker 1>know I would die for my sources and like, I'm

0:53:56.760 --> 0:54:00.720
<v Speaker 1>not gonna make my columnists that wrote this name there's sorry,

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:02.839
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, so you're just gonna like throw Live

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 1>under the bus, and Moss is like, you two have

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>worked together for a long time. There must be a

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:10.360
<v Speaker 1>reason she didn't tell you about me, and Stabler's like,

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 1>her life is her business. I'm here to save her job,

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and you need to tell IAB that Live isn't the leak.

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:19.839
<v Speaker 1>And then Benson shows up and she's confused, like why

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 1>are you here, Stabler and she goes, well, I'm trying

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to get your boyfriend to give you a hand. And

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I don't need help from either of you,

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and Moss is like, I think you do. I can

0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>sign an an affidavit saying that you're not the source,

0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.439
<v Speaker 1>and Lives like it's not gonna be enough.

0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:34.319
<v Speaker 4>They need a warm body.

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>They want someone to pin this on, and Stabler's like,

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've got some shit on the NYPD. Just

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>remind IAB to stay on your good side. So Stabler's like,

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>for my girl, do whatever you can literally hold blackmail

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:49.439
<v Speaker 1>the NYPD as much as you want. Just get Live

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>her shield back Moss is like, I'll talk to them,

0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and then Stabler goes nice meeting you and walks out.

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 4>There's tension.

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>There's tension, and Moss asks live, why didn't you tell

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 1>me you were in trouble. She's like, I can handle it,

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.799
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, yeah, you like you don't let anyone in,

0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Like you're not letting me in. And she goes, this

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>isn't about us, and he goes, if you say so,

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and then he goes like, why won't you move in

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>with me? It's a perfect time to talk about it,

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Like she's just been suspended at work, and he's like,

0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>what's up with the moving in? And she sighs and

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I gotta go, and he goes, I'll call

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:23.400
<v Speaker 1>iab and then she whispers thanks.

0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:24.279
<v Speaker 4>He grabs her.

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 1>They have a moment they do like a dry side

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>lip kiss that's pretty unsexy, like they're not like there's

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a cute vibe between them. But then the kiss is

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's very dry, it's not full mouth on mouth,

0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 1>it's closed mouth and to the side. So and that's it.

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.880
<v Speaker 1>That's all we get of Bill Pullman in SVU history.

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>He agreed to do one scene and that's it. But

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 1>in the next scene, liv is walking into the precinct

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to tell Stabler, hey, it worked, I'm unsuspended, and she

0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:57.360
<v Speaker 1>apologizes to Stabler for not telling him about Moss and

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 1>he's like, hey, I'm glad. I'm just glad you have someone,

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>and but she he goes, I mean you could have

0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 1>said something, and she goes, I just wasn't ready, and

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>then Craigan walks in and boom, Lincoln is out of

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 1>his coma and one PP wants.

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 4>His ass locked up.

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, yesterday he was a victim and we're getting grilled,

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and Craigan says, yeah, and today the media is all

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:17.239
<v Speaker 1>over it and the BRAS doesn't want him geting special

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.439
<v Speaker 1>treatment for being gay or a football player. I don't

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:22.399
<v Speaker 1>think he was really getting special treatment for being gay

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 1>at that time. At the hospital, they're talking to Lincoln

0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:28.439
<v Speaker 1>all those years worried about my future, that if people

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 1>found out I was gay, it would wreck my life

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and lives like, I'm so sorry I outed you, like

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 1>she apologizes, and he says it was bound to happen,

0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and he leads on Jeremy's killer and they're like, ooh, awkward,

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>we are here to arrest you, sir. A Stabler starts

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to mirandize him and he's like huh so back in

0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:50.680
<v Speaker 1>cement room bars, Lincoln is like, I told you I

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 1>was with Natasha that night, and they're like, yeah, but

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:54.759
<v Speaker 1>she kicked you out because you couldn't get it up.

0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:57.319
<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, they're like, so you probably went

0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to Jeremi's for a little TLC. We found your DNA

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>on his box, and he's like, I do remember going

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to his apartment, but it's a blur, like I was drunk.

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler's like breathing down Lincoln's neck like he is

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:12.680
<v Speaker 1>whispering his questions. It's like a lot like this is

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>very like gay coated, just the way he's like talking

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to this hot gay football player, and Stabler's just like, yeah,

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.040
<v Speaker 1>then things got a little bit crazy, huh and maybe

0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you woke up and like yeah, so he's like, so

0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you woke up Jeremy, he smelled Natasha's perfume. They you

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:33.200
<v Speaker 1>fought Jeremy died and Lincoln's like, oh fuck, what did

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I do? And they're like you try to cover it up,

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 1>make it look like an accident, and Lincoln's like, I

0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to hurt him.

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 4>I loved him.

0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 1>So now we're in court and Lincoln is being arraigned

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 1>for murder in the second degree and his lawyer is

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.920
<v Speaker 1>played by Rebecca balth this friend of the pod, Beverly DiAngelo.

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 1>She enters a lot of people we've had on the

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.520
<v Speaker 1>podcast in this episode. It's very exciting. She enters a

0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 1>plea of mine and I also forget about everyone.

0:57:57.920 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>So while watching this, I was like, damn, we talked

0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to Beverly DeAngelo.

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:01.520
<v Speaker 4>What the fuck?

0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's crazy and Bobby Burke like all these

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>people in this episode we've chat even Judith ciper our

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:13.680
<v Speaker 1>CSU Captain and Casey wants two million for bail and

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the lawyer is like, he's he's rich, but not a

0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>flight risk.

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.480
<v Speaker 4>For God's sake. He just woke up from a coma.

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 1>And the judge says, you have my sympathy and I'll

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:23.080
<v Speaker 1>have your passport.

0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 4>Bail is one million. I like that.

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Casey is chasing Rebecca, being like, girl, we've got a

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>rock solid case. You've got nothing, and Rebecca's like, Lincoln

0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even know what happened, he's confused, and she's like, oh,

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.800
<v Speaker 1>he confused murder with a little slap and tickle. That's

0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 1>what Casey says, and Rebecca goes, oh, go for it, Casey,

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 1>make fun of a guy with a brain injury. The

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>jury's gonna love that, and Casey's like, no, jury is

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 1>buying what you're selling.

0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:46.880
<v Speaker 4>And then she hands a.

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Motion to Casey and Casey goes, football made him do it.

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.080
<v Speaker 1>That's almost as good as the Twinkie defense, which they've

0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 1>said in other episodes. We love talking about the twinkie defense.

0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca says, Nope, it's even better. Now they're in judge's

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:02.400
<v Speaker 1>chambers and Rebecca arguing that Lincoln has had eight concussions

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and repeated head trauma that has irreparably damaged his brain.

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Casey's like, well, other athletes have head trauma and don't

0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:11.480
<v Speaker 1>commit murder. And it's like, yeah, Casey, but a lot

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of them, you know, like not all, but a good

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 1>healthy portion of them commit crimes. And she says Lincoln

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>has dementia and they're like, definitively, and she goes, well,

0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 1>definitively only on autopsy, which is unfortunately the bad part

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 1>about CT.

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:28.400
<v Speaker 4>You can't find out until you slice someone's brain open.

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Really. Yeah, that's like they don't know anybody has like

0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 1>CTE or like that kind of dementia, like I think

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 1>until they fully cut their brains open in autopsy.

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that. Yeah. So then it's like, then

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 4>you can't really sue the NFL because you're dead.

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 1>But he the judge is like okay, and then she's like, well,

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the detectives ignored his head trauma when they questioned him,

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and Casey's like, there's no proof he's impaired, and the

0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.880
<v Speaker 1>judge goes, well, there's no proof he isn't, so have

0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 1>your guy examine him. Obviously, we're at the neuropsych lab.

1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever noticed that card before.

1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:05.280
<v Speaker 4>What's that? It's just Huang.

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>It's it's Huang's little lab of like different connected dots,

1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like neurological tests that he puts people through.

1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>So Huang is questioning Lincoln about his headaches, which he

1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.600
<v Speaker 1>says sometimes he has them every day. It's like his

1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:20.320
<v Speaker 1>head is in a vice. It feels like he's getting

1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:22.680
<v Speaker 1>stabbed in the eye. He tells him to memorize the

1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>words house, pencil, and green. Memorize those, and then he

1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.240
<v Speaker 1>asks him a bunch of personal questions and he runs

1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:31.320
<v Speaker 1>all these cognitive tests, like while Lincoln's like connecting like

1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 1>different like blue balls to different things or whatever.

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:38.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry.

1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:41.760
<v Speaker 1>All I'm remembering are like these little blue circles connected

1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 1>by lines that he's doing in one of his cognitive tests.

1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.400
<v Speaker 1>And he asks him a question and then he goes,

1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 1>what are the three words? And Lincoln goes, pencil boat

1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 1>And he can't even guess the third word. Okay, so

1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:55.840
<v Speaker 1>it was house, pencil green, it was not boat, So

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.600
<v Speaker 1>he only got one word. And then he goes, that's crazy.

1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Why can't I remember that? And you know that this

1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:02.960
<v Speaker 1>makes me think of being a stoner.

1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:07.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know Marsha's also the stoner like me, and

1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I decided after this weekend that I can't hang out

1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:13.760
<v Speaker 2>with her anymore. We make the same mistakes. It's like

1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:16.200
<v Speaker 2>it was crazy. And so we're like at my apartment,

1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm grabbing a raincoat. We know it's gonna rain. We're

1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.560
<v Speaker 2>headed to a protest, like we know it, we're raincoat,

1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:23.400
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna do all this stuff. We both didn't bring

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:28.600
<v Speaker 2>an umbrella. Discussing the rain for twenty minutes as I

1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.160
<v Speaker 2>like get my raincoat, everything going.

1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 4>We're like getting port no umbrella, we didn't bring one.

1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:34.720
<v Speaker 4>Umbrellas are by the door.

1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:37.480
<v Speaker 2>She's like which way? Like we were both just like

1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:40.080
<v Speaker 2>out of control. We walked on the wrong train platform

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<v Speaker 2>and then we missed the train, and I go, god,

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot go anywhere together.

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<v Speaker 1>Me Julia as a chaperone. If the two of you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be there, it's got to be Julia

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<v Speaker 1>as a chap We got on the wrong platform, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we just kept fucking up the wrong platform.

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<v Speaker 4>You've been living in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Result, we ran because we saw the train arrive, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we like ran and I go, this is fucking downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we had a run up and we missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, hilarious. It was really it was just silly.

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<v Speaker 1>It was silly. I was like, we're we should not

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed out together.

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<v Speaker 4>A feminist cheech and Chong perhaps pitch it im a.

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<v Speaker 1>Text savior text figure because we both have currently hair too.

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<v Speaker 4>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So Lincoln is basically like, fuck why I can't remember anything?

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<v Speaker 4>And then Huang Go's reporting back to the Gang.

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<v Speaker 1>Huang's like, Okay, his immediate and long term memory are fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but short term is impaired, not from the beating. He

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<v Speaker 1>has lesions on his brain that he shows them from

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<v Speaker 1>like an MRI, and there's evidence he.

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<v Speaker 4>Has a seizure disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>But his last concussion was last year, because Stabler remembers

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<v Speaker 1>exactly when he got clotheslined last and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a game against Denver in the previous September. And he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't have had a seizure of the night of

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<v Speaker 1>the murder because the seizures usually occur within forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>hours of the injury, so the brain damage defense is out,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, repeated head drama can cause memory loss, depression,

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<v Speaker 1>and Alzheimer's like dementia, and it's very common in boxers, hockey,

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<v Speaker 1>and football players. Like when I was growing up, my

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<v Speaker 1>dad told my brothers none of them could play football,

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<v Speaker 1>none of them were allowed to play football. I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with that, Like that was like a rule, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of get it. There is a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not responsible for his actions, is what Huang decides.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So now in court, Rebecca is questioning Lincoln about what

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<v Speaker 1>happened when he gets knocked out on the field, like

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<v Speaker 1>what does that feel like? And he's like, I get headaches,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm dizzy, I'm sensitive to light, I'm forgetful. And then

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<v Speaker 1>they're like for example, and he goes, well, like recently,

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<v Speaker 1>I got my mom seats to a game, and when

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't show up, my mom told me that I

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<v Speaker 1>had called her screaming that she's a jinx and I

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<v Speaker 1>told her not to come.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's like, I love my mom. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>why I did that, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't remember doing it, and Casey's like, okay, it's my turn.

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<v Speaker 1>You confess to murdering Jeremy and he goes I was confused.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we argued, but I never hit him. And

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<v Speaker 1>no Vak corners him about how football was his life

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<v Speaker 1>and Jeremy pushed him to come out and you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want your secret exposed, and Lincoln's like, I didn't care.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeremy came first. That's why I married him. Dunked on.

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<v Speaker 1>They're married in Canada a private ceremony and he has

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<v Speaker 1>the license.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't mean that much. I guess, like, is he Canadian?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like at that point, if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>married in the US, I don't know if it it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a fun little thing to drop, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's you know, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>now Novak is pissed. She's walking with Benson and Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, how did you miss his big fat

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<v Speaker 1>gay wedding? And Stabler is like, well, Stabler very rightfully goes,

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<v Speaker 1>what is being married? Prove men kill their wives all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and it's very true, like if this show

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<v Speaker 1>tells us nothing else, that being married does not change

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<v Speaker 1>anything in the story. It makes you more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be the person that killed someone. And she's like, no, he.

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<v Speaker 4>Has funny who would do that to their daughter? And

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<v Speaker 4>it's like a lot of people, a lot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Novaka's like, well no, now he's sympathetic, like he was

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<v Speaker 1>gay bashed and he almost died, and like it does

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<v Speaker 1>it does kind of change things from oh they were

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<v Speaker 1>just shady undercover gay lovers who they had an actual

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<v Speaker 1>wedding ceremony and they are in love and like life partners, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that could change things for some of the jurors.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's like, Casey's like the women on the

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<v Speaker 1>panel love him, they want to make him all better.

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<v Speaker 1>Casey doesn't know how to rebut this whole setup and

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<v Speaker 1>plus now Lincoln is a grieving widower, and Craigan goes,

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<v Speaker 1>good question, and also Elliot's being called by the defense.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca is now questioning Stabler on the stand and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>did Lincoln seem confused or anything? And Stabler's like nope,

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<v Speaker 1>and She's like, huh really hours after a coma?

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<v Speaker 4>Just all good?

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, didn't you supply my client with most

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<v Speaker 1>of the details that were found in his confession? You

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<v Speaker 1>bullied him and coerced him, And stablesh playing it cool,

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<v Speaker 1>like no, we discussed what happened calmly. And then Rebecca goes,

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<v Speaker 1>he was fresh out of a coma and would have

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<v Speaker 1>confessed to killing Kennedy And Stable's like, well, he definitely

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do that, and Rebecca's like, he had brain damage

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<v Speaker 1>and your psychiatrist said so, And Stabler said, I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln play for years. He's violent and aggressive. Are quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>usually violent? I always think of them as like the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that just kind of throw the ball and other

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<v Speaker 1>guys have to protect the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know football very well. You know, you know it,

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<v Speaker 4>you're a new football girl.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really think of QB's as being the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that are like the real violent guys, but right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, You're right, they're the ones getting sacked and hit

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<v Speaker 2>and like bullied or protected. They're like the little golden boys.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the dorks of the team. If anything, they're usually

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<v Speaker 2>the hot the hot dorks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I never think of Tom Brady as being like like

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<v Speaker 1>a violent but they are.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he is, He's like, he is so agro.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very much he doesn't eat tomatoes like he's that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>If you don't eat night shades, you're gonna be a jerk.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just he's just someone that like winning over Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>I think aggression and competitive spirit are obviously different too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think quarterbacks are like obviously very hard working, very competitive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, so like but I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if competitiveness equals aggression or not. But I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's position based, because like you could still

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<v Speaker 2>like hit your helmet or be mad or like have

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<v Speaker 2>a tantrum, you know, Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Also if you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Brain damage that can cause aggression, you know, so like

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<v Speaker 1>that's all part of it like, but Rebecca says, you're

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<v Speaker 1>stereotyping him because he's a football player. He is not

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<v Speaker 1>a killer. And then Casey asks for recess. She wants

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<v Speaker 1>to bring in a TV to show footage of Lincoln playing,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rebecca's like objection, and they're like, you open the

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<v Speaker 1>door when you brought up Stabler's bias. Now we have

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<v Speaker 1>to watch footage of him playing to show that he's violent,

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<v Speaker 1>and Casey and the judge is like, you're right. So

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<v Speaker 1>Casey brings in this practice footage of Lincoln flipping out

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<v Speaker 1>because some guy like jostled his arm and he like

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<v Speaker 1>pushes into the ground and gets in his face. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ever do that again. Like he's acting like a

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<v Speaker 1>real agro asshole. So uh oh. Cut to deliberation time.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury finds Lincoln Haveer guilty and he is stoneface.

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<v Speaker 1>They close up on his very beautiful face at the

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<v Speaker 1>bar after Benton is peer pressuring Stabler to have another

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<v Speaker 1>drink and he's like, I can't, and she.

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<v Speaker 4>Goes, I just broke up with Kurt.

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<v Speaker 1>You said you'd be there for me, and he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am, But Eli is driving Kathy crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Never forget that this.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this season, Stabler had his fifth fucking child that

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<v Speaker 1>he's never around for and they didn't name it after Olivia,

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<v Speaker 1>who helped fucking save Kathy from a Jaws of Life

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<v Speaker 1>car situation mid labor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she says, I'm kidding, get out of here or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the.

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<v Speaker 1>Bartender goes, hey, Olivia, your case is on the TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because he wanted too much from her. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, move in with me, move in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can help you. I could say, she doesn't let

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<v Speaker 1>people in like that, not at this stage, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So the bartender goes, Olivia, your case is on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's Gary Leslie, the agent, and he's at some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like press conference, you know, the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing I would only be on like ESPN or something

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<v Speaker 1>where they're like, oh, Lincoln Haver's conviction is a tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>but Dwayne Fitzgerald will be a great replacement. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, just promise me I won't catch you making

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<v Speaker 1>out with your boyfriend in a restaurant bathroom, and liv

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<v Speaker 1>gets a light bulb. She's like, Gary said he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know Lincoln was gay till after the murder, So now

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<v Speaker 1>so like, what is this?

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<v Speaker 4>What's this bathroom situation all about?

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<v Speaker 1>So now they've got Gary in a room so dark

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<v Speaker 1>it literally looks like it's being illuminated by candlelight. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like there is one candle in the corner. The room

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<v Speaker 1>is pitch black. How did you find out that Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>was gay? And he goes, I told you Natasha called

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<v Speaker 1>me after you outed him. And they're like, what about

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<v Speaker 1>the night the four of you had dinner? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>suspect anything then? And he's like, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. And then Live cuts to the chase.

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<v Speaker 1>She fucking drops a bar right on the table and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>we found the murder weapon in your apartment.

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<v Speaker 4>This guy doesn't know his home has been searched yet.

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<v Speaker 4>This is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>So you saw Lincoln kissing Jeremy in the bathroom, and

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<v Speaker 1>all those years of hard work making Lincoln a star

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<v Speaker 1>and to see that, and he goes, it made me

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<v Speaker 1>want a puke, going at it like a pair of

1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:09.760
<v Speaker 1>horny teenagers. So he goes, I went to Jeremy's place

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<v Speaker 1>and talk some sent it to him and he told

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<v Speaker 1>me that Lincoln had just left. I begged him to

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<v Speaker 1>give Lincoln up He told me that they were getting

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<v Speaker 1>married and that they were gonna have a big party

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<v Speaker 1>that summer and come out to everyone, and he told

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<v Speaker 1>me to go out and find a new cash cow.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that because Lincoln's retiring, and Gary goes I lost it.

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<v Speaker 1>That stupid little fairy is ruining everything. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to shut him up. I didn't mean to kill him.

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<v Speaker 1>So then they're like, oh, and then you found the

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<v Speaker 1>sex toys. You dressed him up to make it look

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<v Speaker 1>like rough sex gone bad, and you leaked it to

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<v Speaker 1>the media like you're the connection to sportsman Larry. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why we don't think the sports agent is

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<v Speaker 1>connected to sportsman Larry. I worked my ass off for

1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:49.040
<v Speaker 1>years getting him everything, and this little boyfriend wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take it all away and Stabler I think goes. Love sucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Gary goes, yeah, doesn't it screw love? He's

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<v Speaker 1>a football player, a piece of meat I sell to

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<v Speaker 1>the highest bit. How many years do you think he

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<v Speaker 1>has left?

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<v Speaker 4>Five? Ten?

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a miracle, why couldn't you just waited a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years? And now so that guy just clearly

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<v Speaker 1>for a fixer, for a guy who fixes things professionally.

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<v Speaker 1>He really just gave it to them all. They're like, what,

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<v Speaker 1>we found the murder up and he's like, great, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got me. I'm going to jail for forty years. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, he just gave it to them. So

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<v Speaker 1>now they're in prison, springing Lincoln Haveer, who explains like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I confess because I remember being there, I remember fighting.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I must have done it. And they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I think you'll get back.

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<v Speaker 1>To the game now, and he's like, no, the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>won't let me play because of my permanent brain damage.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I wonder if.

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<v Speaker 1>He still gets his forty mil I don't think so, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Yeah, and he goes, I had it

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<v Speaker 1>all a man, I loved a career, football, gave me everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and then took it all away.

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<v Speaker 4>And he walks off, And that's dick woo baby. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm sorry. I think Benson is the one

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<v Speaker 4>who took it all away.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't for Benson, like his lover would have been murdered,

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<v Speaker 2>which is devastating his husband. But she's the reason everyone

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<v Speaker 2>found out and even lost his career.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think if they had found out that

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<v Speaker 1>the agent did it, Like, what would the motive? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what would everybody have had assumed that the motive would be.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he could have badged him or whatever, but like.

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<v Speaker 1>There would have been The thing is is like there

1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:24.880
<v Speaker 1>can always be rumors, Like there's there can always be

1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:27.240
<v Speaker 1>little rumors. The rumors don't always necessarily lead to like

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<v Speaker 1>losing stuff, you know. It's like when there's some kind

1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:34.680
<v Speaker 1>of like proof or whatever. Anyway, take me to the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of the real case.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the real case.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to a different kind of football, what we

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<v Speaker 2>would call soccer. So we're going to the UK, baby,

1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:56.520
<v Speaker 2>so it's foot Yeah. So this is about Justin Fashionu,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a British soccer player who was the first

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<v Speaker 2>professional football to come out as gay. He was born

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty one and raised in Hackney with his

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<v Speaker 2>Nigerian father and Guyanese mother. But when he was young

1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:11.600
<v Speaker 2>his parents split up and his dad went back to

1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Nigeria and was like peace out, bitch, and his mom

1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:19.040
<v Speaker 2>was just like struggling in poverty and couldn't take care

1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:21.800
<v Speaker 2>of them and actually release them, so they went to

1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:27.080
<v Speaker 2>foster care. Oh yeah, kind of crazy, but she couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make ends meet and so she sent them to this

1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:33.400
<v Speaker 2>charity called Bernardo's and it prepares children for like the

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<v Speaker 2>foster system and adoption, and their mom did visit them

1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:39.439
<v Speaker 2>once a month. But yeah, so they ended up growing

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<v Speaker 2>up in Norfolk and football became the central theme of

1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:43.679
<v Speaker 2>the brother's lives.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's Justin and John.

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<v Speaker 2>They both played football and for years they were the

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<v Speaker 2>only black people they ever saw in their lives until

1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they were like eighteen nineteen years old, like everyone was

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<v Speaker 2>white and that was life for them, and to the Guardian,

1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.360
<v Speaker 2>according to them, like the brothers said, it was the

1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:00.000
<v Speaker 2>easiest way for us to make money. There were no

1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.439
<v Speaker 2>black bankers, lawyers or anything at all. We knew the

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<v Speaker 2>only way to make money if you were black was

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<v Speaker 2>either a saying dance or play football.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's what these these brothers did. And he

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<v Speaker 2>ended up winning like the BBC's Goal of the Season

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<v Speaker 2>award in nineteen eighty against Liverpool and just he was

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<v Speaker 2>a really good player. In nineteen eighty one he joined

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<v Speaker 2>the Nottingham Forest and he was so he was transferred

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<v Speaker 2>from Norwich City. Like this is where it gets crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't this sounds like Robin Hood era,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know what is this, So the Dottingham Forest.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's in Norwich City, which sounds like a chip brand.

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<v Speaker 2>And he became the first black footballer to be transferred

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<v Speaker 2>eb for a fee of one million pounds, so he

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<v Speaker 2>was like the highest paid black football player of his

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<v Speaker 2>time a million dollars for this transfer. During the season though,

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<v Speaker 2>he became a born again Christian, which is like weird,

1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and then he just like struggled to reconcile his life,

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<v Speaker 2>his religious beliefs is sexuality, his career like everything and

1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:04.080
<v Speaker 2>just kind of was in chaos. And I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it was like not being able to be

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<v Speaker 2>who he was. But he ended up getting injured a lot, right,

1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and he was injured in nineteen eighty three, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just never played at that same high level that he

1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:17.240
<v Speaker 2>was used to. He was advised to retire, but he

1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:19.519
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to, and so he came to North America.

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<v Speaker 2>He played there professionally, but then in nineteen ninety he

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<v Speaker 2>found out that a British paper was going to out him,

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<v Speaker 2>so instead he sold his story to the Sun and

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<v Speaker 2>that was published October twenty second of that year. The

1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:35.080
<v Speaker 2>headline was one million pounds soccer star, I am gay

1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and he was twenty nine years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that he was able to sort of at

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<v Speaker 1>least reclaim his own story and cut off the other

1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:46.439
<v Speaker 1>publication scoop.

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<v Speaker 4>He basically scooped his own story. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he also needed money. I think he got

1:15:49.960 --> 1:15:53.040
<v Speaker 2>like seventy grand so I don't know, but the John

1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:55.760
<v Speaker 2>was pissed. John was homophobic. He would try and bribe

1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:58.040
<v Speaker 2>him for money not to come out, and after he did,

1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:01.639
<v Speaker 2>he publicly blashed him, condemned him for going public, said

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<v Speaker 2>he would never want to play with him, get changed

1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:05.679
<v Speaker 2>with him. But it's like it is also your brother

1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:10.680
<v Speaker 2>gay or not, Like, yeah, there's more issues. Yeah, if

1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:14.240
<v Speaker 2>he wants to insist, it's just like it's so homophobic

1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and backwards. But from ninety one to ninety four I

1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:20.559
<v Speaker 2>had conflicting accounts, and also because I don't understand football

1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:22.320
<v Speaker 2>that much, was like hard to get to the bottom

1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:26.880
<v Speaker 2>of and no source was credible, like the guard Like

1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't find like real news about this, but

1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:34.320
<v Speaker 2>it said so you went back to the UK and

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<v Speaker 2>had the most successful period in British football and had

1:16:36.760 --> 1:16:40.120
<v Speaker 2>fun and was enjoying himself. He played for Torquay, Torque

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<v Speaker 2>United and England and the Jesus Great Air whatever this team,

1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:50.600
<v Speaker 2>these other teams like a Dronians FC and Heart of

1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Middle Athonian FC in Scotland, Like what the.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck is that? Yeah, mid Lothian god of fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, guys, can you just be the like the saber

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<v Speaker 2>Tooth Tigers, Like I can't with these cities.

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<v Speaker 4>But he was mocked.

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<v Speaker 2>So he had these like great years of playing, but

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<v Speaker 2>like mocked by opposing players.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is nothing new.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw a video of like a really really

1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.680
<v Speaker 2>young black player cried during a press conference after a

1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:16.400
<v Speaker 2>game because none of the media was addressing it.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like they're racist as fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>They throw bananas at black players like they're kind of evil.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, not only did you have to deal

1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:24.240
<v Speaker 2>with that, but of course he's gonna get mocked for

1:17:24.280 --> 1:17:26.400
<v Speaker 2>being gay and the fans hated it, you know, like

1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:29.439
<v Speaker 2>by opposing players, but his fans mostly supported him and

1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:33.320
<v Speaker 2>his teammates and whatever. So but then The Daily Mail

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that after he came out that his career declined.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I don't I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, but he did eventually have to come to America.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a downgrade for soccer obviously, like if you

1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:46.360
<v Speaker 2>have to come to America, you're not good, Like you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Not as good as other people.

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<v Speaker 2>His last match for the US was on a team

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<v Speaker 2>called the Atlanta Ruckus in nineteen ninety seven, and then

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight he became a coach of the

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<v Speaker 2>Maryland Now On March twenty fifth, nineteen ninety eight, he's

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<v Speaker 2>accused of sexual assault by a seventeen year old male.

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<v Speaker 2>His brother John is like it wasn't true, but so

1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.400
<v Speaker 2>he was accused and then there was a questioning and

1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:18.160
<v Speaker 2>some blood tests and a warrant was issued for his arrest.

1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:22.519
<v Speaker 2>He was interviewed by police, the arrant was issued charging

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<v Speaker 2>him a first and second degree assault and second degree

1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:29.639
<v Speaker 2>sexual assault, but he left for England and so then

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<v Speaker 2>on May first, nineteen ninety eight, two months after the

1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:38.599
<v Speaker 2>initial accusations, they issued a statement saying that they wanted

1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to go get him. And then the next day he

1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was found in his garage, Short and Shortage, London, and

1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:48.160
<v Speaker 2>he did he hung himself. So, two months after the accusations,

1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the warrant for his arrest. After all the search, he

1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:53.200
<v Speaker 2>did take his own life. He wrote a suicide note.

1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:56.280
<v Speaker 2>He wrote, I realized that I'd already been presumed guilty.

1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I do not want to give any more embarrassment to

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<v Speaker 2>my friends or family.

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<v Speaker 4>But what if he did it.

1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:06.599
<v Speaker 2>He did it, it's still sad, yeah, but it's just

1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:09.760
<v Speaker 2>like there was just let me just finish and then

1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:11.720
<v Speaker 2>we can get into like the nitty gritty of our

1:19:11.840 --> 1:19:14.000
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on this, because this isn't black and white, so

1:19:14.080 --> 1:19:18.439
<v Speaker 2>fashion U did maintain that relations were consensual. Also in Maryland,

1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:21.680
<v Speaker 2>the age of consent is sixteen, but we don't care

1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:24.880
<v Speaker 2>about that. I don't know, Like, but also at this

1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:29.479
<v Speaker 2>time in Maryland, just being homosexual was illegal, like sodally,

1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:32.320
<v Speaker 2>so homosexual acts in general were illegal there. So like

1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I do wonder what the investigation and anything like that was.

1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:38.479
<v Speaker 2>But if he assaulted this tea, and I mean, not

1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:40.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of innocent people go take their own lives,

1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I wish there was more information

1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:47.640
<v Speaker 2>on the rape we believe victims on this podcast, but

1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:49.519
<v Speaker 2>none of this seems to matter because he did eventually

1:19:49.560 --> 1:19:51.040
<v Speaker 2>get inducted into the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like it was all tragic but he was

1:19:53.840 --> 1:19:54.360
<v Speaker 4>a good player.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and I couldn't really find any like

1:19:57.479 --> 1:20:00.240
<v Speaker 2>good research, and like the things I did find were

1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:04.440
<v Speaker 2>like editorial. It was like people's opinions and sports journalists.

1:20:04.479 --> 1:20:08.240
<v Speaker 2>But that's like not something I can use. And so

1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:10.600
<v Speaker 2>in twenty eighteen, his brother John did admaze like I

1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:12.920
<v Speaker 2>was a monster to Justine when he came out, and

1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:17.200
<v Speaker 2>then as anisamal fashion, new set up justin fashion new

1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:21.760
<v Speaker 2>foundation dedicated to her uncle. But one website is not

1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:25.320
<v Speaker 2>active anymore. The posts are a year long. Another site

1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I found looked weird. I don't know what this foundation

1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:33.519
<v Speaker 2>is about, probably like prevention of mental health, but I

1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.240
<v Speaker 2>have no idea. She was just ten when he took

1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:38.360
<v Speaker 2>his own life. In twenty twenty, she accepted his Hall

1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:40.680
<v Speaker 2>of Fame of Word on what would have been his

1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:44.920
<v Speaker 2>fifty ninth birthday. No current football players ever come out

1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:48.400
<v Speaker 2>during their time playing. So people have come out post retirement,

1:20:48.439 --> 1:20:51.200
<v Speaker 2>but no one has ever come out again, and we

1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:55.840
<v Speaker 2>need to make sure that this changes, like obviously, because yeah,

1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was reading like kids end up quitting

1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:00.280
<v Speaker 2>sports because they don't want to come out, or they

1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:03.000
<v Speaker 2>feel so uncomfortable or like you know, they can't be

1:21:03.080 --> 1:21:06.280
<v Speaker 2>everything or they're risking their whole like passion for sports

1:21:06.640 --> 1:21:08.400
<v Speaker 2>or coming out. And I don't know. It's just like

1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:12.760
<v Speaker 2>homophobia is stupid and that's that. And I don't I

1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:14.600
<v Speaker 2>know this. I don't know how you get into the

1:21:14.600 --> 1:21:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame after having these accusations, but then you're

1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:20.920
<v Speaker 2>dead and it's sad that you took your own life

1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and what was what was what was it?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, and there's no information.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean, I just I just, I mean,

1:21:31.720 --> 1:21:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I if he committed a crime, I obviously don't condone that,

1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:37.240
<v Speaker 1>but I just feel like it must have just been

1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:41.200
<v Speaker 1>an extremely hard life of being other to not only

1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:44.519
<v Speaker 1>be the only black person for the first almost twenty

1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:46.559
<v Speaker 1>years of your life that you even see is your

1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:49.479
<v Speaker 1>brother and you, and then to have this additional thing

1:21:50.000 --> 1:21:55.240
<v Speaker 1>of your sexuality where your brother even rejects you when

1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you come out about it. You know, like that he

1:21:57.120 --> 1:21:59.120
<v Speaker 1>just must have had like a really and that's tough.

1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:02.320
<v Speaker 2>And that's the other Like all this other news that

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<v Speaker 2>I found was mostly as brother talking and I'm like,

1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't trust you.

1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah. Suddenly you're changing the narrative and there

1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:11.160
<v Speaker 4>was like.

1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:13.800
<v Speaker 2>A show made about his life, Like there's like all

1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:16.240
<v Speaker 2>this stuff and it was just him promoting and apologizing,

1:22:16.320 --> 1:22:18.400
<v Speaker 2>but also all this like I mean stuff in the press.

1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:19.759
<v Speaker 4>So it was just like kind of difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so crazy to me that there's not a

1:22:23.320 --> 1:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>single football player in the UK that's out, like just statistically,

1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:29.799
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely a bunch of gay football players.

1:22:31.040 --> 1:22:34.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just not worth it. Yeah, yeah, I

1:22:34.880 --> 1:22:39.720
<v Speaker 2>get it. It's kind of like, yeah, people are so backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have a great interview that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>change everything.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't go anywhere. Our guest today is.

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<v Speaker 1>A prolific TV actor who was in the main cast

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<v Speaker 1>of such shows as Saving Grace, Longmire, and twenty four Legacy.

1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Also featured in some beloved nineties classics like Sweet Valley

1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:11.400
<v Speaker 1>High and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But you know him

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<v Speaker 1>today as the closeted NFL player Lincoln Haveber. Please enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>our chat with the lovely Bailey Chase. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start off real quick with if Wikipedia is

1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:23.800
<v Speaker 1>correct about you.

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<v Speaker 4>You played football at Duke.

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<v Speaker 5>That's true.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true.

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<v Speaker 5>They also yeah, they said I'm worth fifty million dollars too.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish that were sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the net worth things on the internet are amazingas Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so do.

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<v Speaker 2>You feel like your football past helped book with your

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<v Speaker 2>special skills?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, navigating people on the streets of New York football

1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.080
<v Speaker 5>comes in here. You know that that was such a

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<v Speaker 5>so whatever, I'm going to jump ahead. I did a

1:23:58.479 --> 1:24:00.880
<v Speaker 5>soap opera for like three years in New York. It

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<v Speaker 5>was right after nine to eleven, and I was doing

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<v Speaker 5>the thing out in la and a lot of my

1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:08.040
<v Speaker 5>college buddies went into finance and literally work on Wall Street,

1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:10.240
<v Speaker 5>and so I felt this call to go there, and

1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:12.519
<v Speaker 5>I got offered the soap opera. I was like, yeah,

1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:14.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna I'm gonna go do that, and it was

1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:16.599
<v Speaker 5>three of the best years of my life. It was

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it'd be harder now with young children, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it was great as a as a soap star. Is

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<v Speaker 5>this soap star?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Which yea?

1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Was it?

1:24:28.600 --> 1:24:30.000
<v Speaker 4>As the world turns? Is that what you do?

1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:35.040
<v Speaker 5>And then I lived in Tribecca, was just above Grand Zeo,

1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:37.400
<v Speaker 5>and then I would drive by and go through the

1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:39.600
<v Speaker 5>tunnel to work.

1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:41.120
<v Speaker 4>Because they did they did, they shoot all the soaps

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:41.639
<v Speaker 4>in Jersey.

1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:44.360
<v Speaker 5>So this one was in Brooklyn. I think it's where

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<v Speaker 5>they shot the Honeymooners and some some like old time shows.

1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:53.400
<v Speaker 5>And then As the World Turns was god, it went

1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:55.360
<v Speaker 5>fifty two years or something.

1:24:55.720 --> 1:25:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't soaps. Well, I was so ssessed. I

1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:02.479
<v Speaker 1>mean s for you kind of in a way. It's

1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like my soap, you know, just one main character who

1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I care about.

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<v Speaker 2>Really wait, but I do haven't As the World Turns

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<v Speaker 2>because I was watching an interview with someone else, but

1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:15.439
<v Speaker 2>they said doing soaps help them learn how to like

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<v Speaker 2>memorize a lot and work fast and all these things

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<v Speaker 2>like is that how you felt?

1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:22.559
<v Speaker 4>Did you learn a lot?

1:25:23.120 --> 1:25:26.720
<v Speaker 5>I did? Yeah, I wasn't so sure that, you know,

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.360
<v Speaker 5>like all young actors who take themselves too seriously and

1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:32.599
<v Speaker 5>I was guilty of that. I was like, no, I'm

1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:35.120
<v Speaker 5>just gonna do like movies like Brad Pitt, right, like

1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:38.640
<v Speaker 5>Tom Cruise. And then reality sets in and I had

1:25:38.680 --> 1:25:40.960
<v Speaker 5>had a little bit of success or whatever, but all

1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:43.040
<v Speaker 5>that that money comes and goes, and I was broke

1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:45.040
<v Speaker 5>and I was like twenty nine years old, like what

1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:49.880
<v Speaker 5>am I going to do? And it did? It helped

1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:52.519
<v Speaker 5>teach me how to become a pro. And you log,

1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.719
<v Speaker 5>there's that book Outliers MOTHLM. Gladwell in the ten thousand.

1:25:55.920 --> 1:26:00.639
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, you log so much time front of the camera,

1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.920
<v Speaker 5>right wow, Okay, now now I can hit marks and

1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:05.720
<v Speaker 5>I can Oh it's on this camp because it was

1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:09.120
<v Speaker 5>three cameras at the time. I'm sure soaps still do that,

1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.599
<v Speaker 5>and like, god, when's last time you did three cameras

1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:16.320
<v Speaker 5>at the same time, like in that in that studio

1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:18.360
<v Speaker 5>set up like a friend sitcom shop.

1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know, it's funny because we talked to so

1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>many people who obviously have done SVU and they all

1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about how quick it is, like because it's like

1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>a well oiled machine, and like the crew is really

1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>well like a depth and everything, and they'll just do

1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of coverage and you know, two sides or whatever.

1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>But I've never really asked soap stars, do you guys

1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:40.599
<v Speaker 1>do multiple takes or is it just like so so fast,

1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's like it's every day you just got to

1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>do it. You just obviously you're not going to like

1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>let a flub in there, but like, do you guys

1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like do tons of takes or not?

1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Really, it's like must be lightning speed.

1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:55.840
<v Speaker 5>It is lightning speed, And if you're a perfectionist at all,

1:26:55.920 --> 1:27:00.439
<v Speaker 5>which which you know, I've gotten better about nothing. But yeah,

1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:04.200
<v Speaker 5>you they just fly. They just keep it unless it's

1:27:04.240 --> 1:27:06.479
<v Speaker 5>a disaster, and then it's kind of a big deal

1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:09.920
<v Speaker 5>to like go back whatever. But no, when I was

1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:16.080
<v Speaker 5>doing it, you know, seventeen years ago, it was yeah,

1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:17.400
<v Speaker 5>we didn't do two takes.

1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, never, Oh my gosh, just like you better nail it,

1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:22.559
<v Speaker 1>get out of here.

1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:26.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah. Yeah, And some people washed out, and then

1:27:26.160 --> 1:27:27.839
<v Speaker 5>other people stayed forever.

1:27:28.600 --> 1:27:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Susan Lucci one of the greats.

1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh wild, But you were booking such cool stuff right

1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:40.040
<v Speaker 2>as you started, were you like, oh I got it?

1:27:41.240 --> 1:27:42.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they watched it.

1:27:42.600 --> 1:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean Buffy, I get like so many cool things.

1:27:47.040 --> 1:27:49.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Once Buffy happened, I was like, oh yeah, I

1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:51.840
<v Speaker 5>made it. You know, it took three years, okay, But for.

1:27:51.720 --> 1:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Me, it was before that when we were on Sweet

1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Valley High, the TV show, because that is an iconic

1:27:57.800 --> 1:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>part of my childhood. Oh my god, I forgot about

1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, Kara's very connected.

1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:07.080
<v Speaker 4>I love Sweet Valley High. Tell me I just love

1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:09.320
<v Speaker 4>like I loved her album.

1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Her comedy album is artwork, as Kara in the art

1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:14.479
<v Speaker 2>from the books, So.

1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I commissioned the guy who did the famous covers of

1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the books to do the cover of my album. So

1:28:20.000 --> 1:28:22.679
<v Speaker 1>it's me as twins like on the cover of my album.

1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And like, I don't even know if like he's still

1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>with us, but like I was so happy that I

1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:30.679
<v Speaker 1>found this guy and he was doing commissions and stuff.

1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>But then I was obsessed with those twins that played

1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the Twins. Those two out like they're there, they're twins, actresses,

1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>they still do stuff, but.

1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:42.160
<v Speaker 5>They're from Florida. Yeah, yeah, I know them, Brittany and

1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:44.599
<v Speaker 5>Cynthia Daniel.

1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're like on they've done like Blackett or like

1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:51.519
<v Speaker 1>an Housewife and yeah, all kind of there. And that

1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>show was just I don't know that for me when

1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I was reading your IMDb, that's what popped first. And

1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:58.599
<v Speaker 1>then my husband was like, well he was on Buffy

1:28:58.640 --> 1:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was like looking up who you were Buffy

1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:03.639
<v Speaker 1>because he was a big Buffy fan. Yeah, and then

1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Damages Damages for me huge. Well, you've worked with like

1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>so many powerhouse women, like Glenn Close, You've worked with

1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Holly Hunter, obviously, the twins from Sweet Valley.

1:29:17.439 --> 1:29:19.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean like these are these are like.

1:29:21.240 --> 1:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean Sarah Michelle Gellar like Maurusia Arbitat, you've

1:29:25.920 --> 1:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>worked with a lot of like powerhouse women.

1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:30.599
<v Speaker 5>It's cool I have and thank you, and yeah, I

1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:32.760
<v Speaker 5>was raised by a single mom and and so you know,

1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:35.400
<v Speaker 5>I have a lot of respect in MoMA's Boy. And

1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:41.080
<v Speaker 5>yeah after you know, doing a series with with someone

1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:45.160
<v Speaker 5>like Holly like you know, not a whole lot phases me.

1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:49.400
<v Speaker 5>And so Glenn Close is definitely in that category.

1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:53.439
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we got to get her the oscar. It's

1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>not it's it's it's a it's a it's really a travesty.

1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's dive into the actual s view now, like

1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>because we obviously we'll keep talking to you about your career,

1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>but we usually we've done this a little bit backwards.

1:30:06.000 --> 1:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>We normally start with s you, so you what was

1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:11.479
<v Speaker 1>your what was going on in your career? Like when

1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>you got us, when you got this big part on

1:30:13.280 --> 1:30:15.439
<v Speaker 1>this SVU episode. I mean this is season nine, the

1:30:15.479 --> 1:30:18.639
<v Speaker 1>show's been plugging along for a few years. I think

1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Marishka's won an Emmy at this point, so the show's popular.

1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>You get this part, they're like, you know how to

1:30:25.400 --> 1:30:27.519
<v Speaker 1>throw a spiral, Let's get you in here, like how

1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>did it?

1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:31.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like, yeah, so this is post soap opera and

1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:34.360
<v Speaker 5>all that stuff. You know. I left after the three years,

1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:38.000
<v Speaker 5>and I was lucky my first kind of within a year,

1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:40.360
<v Speaker 5>I was on Saving Grace with the Holly Hunter. And

1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:43.679
<v Speaker 5>this was you know, way back when film stars weren't

1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:45.840
<v Speaker 5>dead like there were. You had your soap stars, your

1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:49.559
<v Speaker 5>TV stars, and your film stars and they were all separate. Yeah,

1:30:49.680 --> 1:30:51.960
<v Speaker 5>and after and everything was separate. And then you're all

1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:55.479
<v Speaker 5>your theater actors, which I'm not good tough to do.

1:30:55.680 --> 1:31:02.040
<v Speaker 5>But so I got sv you either during a hiatus

1:31:02.120 --> 1:31:03.960
<v Speaker 5>or right after Saving Grace was done. I think it

1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:07.320
<v Speaker 5>was a hiatus, and so they offered it to me

1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:09.439
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, yeah, I want to go to

1:31:09.600 --> 1:31:11.840
<v Speaker 5>New York for ten days and haven't put me up

1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:14.240
<v Speaker 5>and you know, I grew up the law and orders

1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:18.799
<v Speaker 5>are awesome. And then yeah, you know it's this football

1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:23.280
<v Speaker 5>player who you know, and it's called Closet. And that

1:31:23.439 --> 1:31:27.080
<v Speaker 5>was something that hadn't been tackled yet and something that

1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:30.120
<v Speaker 5>I don't speak about often was my mom spent the

1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:32.840
<v Speaker 5>last twenty some years of her life with another woman.

1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:36.720
<v Speaker 5>So for me to get an opportunity to play that

1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:41.360
<v Speaker 5>character you know, which I haven't really done in my career.

1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:42.880
<v Speaker 5>I got to do it on a reboot at twenty

1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:46.960
<v Speaker 5>four after that, but you know, playing for a guy

1:31:47.000 --> 1:31:50.000
<v Speaker 5>who's on another team was was different and I felt

1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:52.720
<v Speaker 5>honored in a way to bring it to light.

1:31:52.840 --> 1:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, that's so, that's so cool because I

1:31:56.880 --> 1:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like some actors would have maybe turned it down

1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:02.679
<v Speaker 1>or you know know, like two thousand and eight. It's

1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>like it seems like modern, but there's there, you know,

1:32:06.680 --> 1:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and we always talk about SVU is like ahead of

1:32:08.920 --> 1:32:10.639
<v Speaker 1>the curve on a lot of this stuff. Like they're

1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>doing a they're doing like an episode about this before,

1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:17.679
<v Speaker 1>like you know, is it Michael Sam Like before there's

1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:21.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of real talk about pro athletes being out

1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of the closet, you know, like they really are sort

1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of like prescient in the way they tackle a lot.

1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:27.240
<v Speaker 4>Of these social issues.

1:32:27.280 --> 1:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>So this episode really sticks that because it's relevant. It's like, yeah,

1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's also sad that it's been seventeen years and nothing. Yeah,

1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:37.519
<v Speaker 1>there's still not really I mean we talk about it

1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>when we did the recap. I think there was like

1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>one out player and he retired after a couple of

1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>seasons and uh you know, yeah, like you really captured

1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the sort of whole, the journey. Yeah, the whole and

1:32:51.720 --> 1:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the whole. Yeah, yeah, the institution of football. I mean,

1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:57.639
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like football will be the last sport where

1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>this is happening. I feel like it's such a just

1:33:02.320 --> 1:33:07.479
<v Speaker 1>but it is so gay. Yeah, it's like so homo erotic.

1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:11.280
<v Speaker 2>You passed the ball through your like between your legs.

1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then you all jump on top of each other.

1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:18.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's true, it's true. Yeah, it's that's when you

1:33:18.840 --> 1:33:19.400
<v Speaker 5>hike the ball.

1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>One of the most famous shots, I would say an

1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>SVU history is the cemetery night vision, them finally realizing

1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:32.960
<v Speaker 2>it's you were you actually at a cemetery?

1:33:33.040 --> 1:33:34.520
<v Speaker 4>Did you go shoot at a cemetery?

1:33:35.160 --> 1:33:39.200
<v Speaker 5>You know, I don't remember the cemetery. I remember a

1:33:39.200 --> 1:33:42.600
<v Speaker 5>lot of things about that episode. It was so it

1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.719
<v Speaker 5>was it was the coolest part was going to Giant Stadium.

1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:47.960
<v Speaker 4>We got to oh yeah, it was where you guys

1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:48.920
<v Speaker 4>were practicing.

1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:52.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we played football in the meadowlands and that that

1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:55.000
<v Speaker 5>was really cool. And in college I'd had the chance

1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:58.120
<v Speaker 5>to play there against Rutgers, but it was just we

1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:00.000
<v Speaker 5>had the whole place to ourselves. And you're out there

1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:03.360
<v Speaker 5>with these you know, crew guys, and obviously crew guys

1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:05.799
<v Speaker 5>in you know New York, New Jersey are very different

1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:08.320
<v Speaker 5>than the l A Crew guys. So we were all

1:34:08.360 --> 1:34:11.479
<v Speaker 5>like playing football when whenever we could, and and and

1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:13.439
<v Speaker 5>so that was super fun. And then we were like

1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:16.559
<v Speaker 5>shooting on these you know, random you know, little uh

1:34:16.640 --> 1:34:19.200
<v Speaker 5>kind of side streets in Manhattan, and you got to

1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:22.000
<v Speaker 5>block up traffic and there's noise everywhere. So that's always

1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:25.000
<v Speaker 5>a big deal, like when you know you're shooting. So

1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:28.000
<v Speaker 5>I remember that that that uh, that part of it

1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:32.240
<v Speaker 5>was was really fun. But the other thing about the character,

1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:36.120
<v Speaker 5>other than trying to shine a light on you know,

1:34:36.200 --> 1:34:40.480
<v Speaker 5>this is this is something that needs to be talked about,

1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:43.479
<v Speaker 5>you know, with with just gay you know, professional athletes

1:34:43.520 --> 1:34:45.559
<v Speaker 5>in general. It should you know, we should. This is

1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:48.559
<v Speaker 5>something we should be able to talk about. I got

1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:51.920
<v Speaker 5>to play a character that wasn't all together. So if

1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:54.280
<v Speaker 5>you go back to like Buffy, like, yeah, here's a

1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:56.800
<v Speaker 5>guy who's got it all together, they're saving Grace. That guy,

1:34:56.920 --> 1:34:59.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, he thinks, you know, I had it all together.

1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.920
<v Speaker 5>Same with the soap, but I got to play a

1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:06.559
<v Speaker 5>damaged individual who was hiding, shame and guilt and all

1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:08.880
<v Speaker 5>these other things that I know my mom carried, you

1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:12.479
<v Speaker 5>know with her and her adult life, and nobody, nobody

1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:15.559
<v Speaker 5>deserves or needs that. So I what a cool thing

1:35:15.600 --> 1:35:18.640
<v Speaker 5>to play as an actor. And I feel like that

1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:22.280
<v Speaker 5>Little Guest Star was probably the best work that I've

1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:24.160
<v Speaker 5>done in my career at that point.

1:35:24.360 --> 1:35:26.559
<v Speaker 4>Wow, it's a really good and.

1:35:26.479 --> 1:35:29.880
<v Speaker 5>You got to as anybody ever said that on your

1:35:29.920 --> 1:35:30.519
<v Speaker 5>show before.

1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:33.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've said it to me that this is your

1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:34.719
<v Speaker 4>best work ever.

1:35:37.200 --> 1:35:39.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean you also got to We like to talk

1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>about something that we call like the SVU Bingo card,

1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>like where you get to do a few different specific

1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>things and like what you got. You hit a lot

1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:49.559
<v Speaker 1>of them. One is around the head bandage all the

1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>way when you're in the hospital. We love them, all

1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the way around the head bandage. You also got to code,

1:35:55.560 --> 1:35:59.439
<v Speaker 1>you got to like almost die. Uh, you're on the stand.

1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>You're on the stand. You got Olivia Benson cradled you

1:36:03.200 --> 1:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>in her arms. I mean these are all huge moments.

1:36:06.080 --> 1:36:06.720
<v Speaker 4>You you have.

1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>You have bingo basically on sv Bingo as we have made.

1:36:10.000 --> 1:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>We actually should make the cards. We have to make

1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the actual Bingo cards.

1:36:15.080 --> 1:36:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Wait, the other bingo moment. Yeah, and misterpher and Maloney

1:36:18.240 --> 1:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>whispered in your ear. He got real close. That's kind

1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>of a that's a thing of his.

1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>He gets close, especially like an episode that's like that's

1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>like dealing with a guy that's in the closet and

1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:32.400
<v Speaker 1>then Christopher Maloney's like up there whispering in your ear.

1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Like he gets close enough to kiss most of the

1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:37.639
<v Speaker 1>purpse on the show. But it was especially funny how

1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>he was just like, so, this is what happened, and

1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>he's like whispering his whole hypothesis in your ear.

1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:45.200
<v Speaker 4>How was working with him?

1:36:45.439 --> 1:36:48.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was. He was interesting. I liked him a lot.

1:36:50.000 --> 1:36:55.320
<v Speaker 5>He's intense. He's intense and you know, just an alpha

1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:58.960
<v Speaker 5>of an alpha male and uh and so it was

1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:01.120
<v Speaker 5>it was kind of interesting, like you know because I

1:37:01.240 --> 1:37:04.719
<v Speaker 5>show up and whatever, and you know it's I wasn't

1:37:04.760 --> 1:37:07.760
<v Speaker 5>doing anything like this is his turf and whatever. I'm

1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:10.559
<v Speaker 5>not like lifting my lego and stuff. But he had

1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:12.879
<v Speaker 5>he did have a bad day where he was throwing

1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:16.720
<v Speaker 5>stuff and I was like, okay, like whatever, But then

1:37:17.560 --> 1:37:19.840
<v Speaker 5>like I hadn't really seen that. I'd seen some temper

1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:23.679
<v Speaker 5>tantrums and you know, like i'd been around, but he yeah,

1:37:23.720 --> 1:37:25.760
<v Speaker 5>he threw some stuff one day and I was like,

1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:30.040
<v Speaker 5>oh okay. And then I definitely, you know, bonded more

1:37:30.240 --> 1:37:35.519
<v Speaker 5>with Mriscoe Hardy tape. She would totally maternal and she

1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:37.200
<v Speaker 5>was friends with Holly Hunter and so we kind of

1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:41.759
<v Speaker 5>connected some dots there. But Chris, he kind of kept himself.

1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:45.160
<v Speaker 5>But he was nice and very respectful with you know,

1:37:45.280 --> 1:37:48.840
<v Speaker 5>let's say my close ups or whatever. So I got

1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:52.679
<v Speaker 5>nothing bad to say about him, but it definitely intense.

1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>He didn't play football with you guys, No, no, no, ss.

1:37:58.360 --> 1:37:59.320
<v Speaker 4>What did he throw.

1:38:01.360 --> 1:38:05.719
<v Speaker 5>Some equipment? Yeah, like some lighting stuff you got fell

1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:09.920
<v Speaker 5>down lighting his hell like some Yeah, he was upset

1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:12.640
<v Speaker 5>about something and then and then cut to cut to

1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:14.760
<v Speaker 5>like a year later, he leaves the show like he

1:38:14.840 --> 1:38:18.040
<v Speaker 5>wasn't around the next season. But then obviously he didn't

1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:19.880
<v Speaker 5>burn too many bridges because he comes back.

1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:20.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well we've talked to the showrunners and stuff about that,

1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, it's was all purely like contractual, like

1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it was just contract stuff like that. The reason he

1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:30.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't come back, Like I think he liked doing the

1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>show or whatever, but it was you know, but yeah,

1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>he left after season twelve. So but like, uh so

1:38:37.360 --> 1:38:40.799
<v Speaker 1>wait you also, I mean so many more bingo things.

1:38:41.240 --> 1:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>You get a celebrity lawyer, bevery ly D'Angelo is your lawyer?

1:38:44.720 --> 1:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, we've had her on the pod and

1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:48.439
<v Speaker 1>we love her.

1:38:48.640 --> 1:38:52.880
<v Speaker 5>How was working with her amazing? She actually exactly what

1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:55.040
<v Speaker 5>you see is what you get. She's the bomb.

1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh. We could have talked to her for like three hours.

1:38:57.240 --> 1:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>We were like, we have to go, like it was.

1:38:59.520 --> 1:39:00.479
<v Speaker 5>She was the best.

1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:02.679
<v Speaker 1>She was like, let me tell you more about al Pacino.

1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>We were like okay, yeah, yeah. And then another thing

1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:11.800
<v Speaker 1>is you got to be psychologically, uh neurologically analyzed by B. D.

1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:16.479
<v Speaker 1>Wong George Wong, one of our favorite characters, and I'm

1:39:16.520 --> 1:39:18.519
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with this scene. When I did the recap of

1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the episode, I was just like, how it's mostly your

1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:25.720
<v Speaker 1>voiceover and then it's you just like connecting dots on

1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>a board, Like do you remember doing all these like

1:39:28.240 --> 1:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>neurological tests. Like Neil Baer was the showrunner of the

1:39:31.960 --> 1:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>show at the time, and he's an actual adoptor, so

1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming these were like real tests that they had

1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>set up for you.

1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:40.479
<v Speaker 5>Definitely, I guess I guess. Yeah. No, I do remember

1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:44.040
<v Speaker 5>doing some some tests, but I didn't research that the

1:39:44.320 --> 1:39:48.200
<v Speaker 5>right you know, validity of but beat. I remember Bead.

1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:54.960
<v Speaker 5>He was great, Yeah, everybody was Yeah. It was fun

1:39:55.000 --> 1:39:58.519
<v Speaker 5>and it turned out like really really good. I remember

1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.880
<v Speaker 5>the casting director saying years later he hired me for

1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:05.400
<v Speaker 5>Chicago Pad. It was another kind of offer thing.

1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:08.519
<v Speaker 6>I think I was coming off a Longmire and I

1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:10.519
<v Speaker 6>was like, yeah, I definitely would love to do that,

1:40:10.600 --> 1:40:13.439
<v Speaker 6>and he's like, you know, I have cast however, many

1:40:13.479 --> 1:40:16.400
<v Speaker 6>thousand episodes and that's one of my favorite ones.

1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how about that huge?

1:40:18.360 --> 1:40:19.439
<v Speaker 5>How about that knowledge?

1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:22.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that one. It's definitely one of the classes.

1:40:22.040 --> 1:40:23.520
<v Speaker 4>It's definitely one of the classics.

1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:28.720
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely like, yeah, and then now you're doing a

1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:29.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of cowboys stuff.

1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:31.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, how that happened?

1:40:32.280 --> 1:40:32.479
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:33.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it is it the vibe is it

1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:40.559
<v Speaker 1>now that you're in or do you think North Carolina

1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:42.519
<v Speaker 1>affected the cowboy connection?

1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:48.080
<v Speaker 5>It's a good question. I think I think I'm I.

1:40:48.080 --> 1:40:50.800
<v Speaker 5>I guess it started with Saving Grace because I was Oklahoma,

1:40:52.080 --> 1:40:55.479
<v Speaker 5>and then Longmire, which was you know, Wyoming. But but

1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:58.400
<v Speaker 5>I did grow up riding, so my dad stayed in

1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:01.920
<v Speaker 5>Barrington Hills. Actually he's a fox hunter. So my brother

1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:04.600
<v Speaker 5>and I had ponies. It's kids, so we you know,

1:41:05.080 --> 1:41:07.400
<v Speaker 5>it's like riding a bike when you start young. Like

1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:10.679
<v Speaker 5>I've always been able to ride pretty well, and.

1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So your resume special skills are good. You can play

1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>football and you're riding horses.

1:41:16.439 --> 1:41:18.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think I should actually maybe put horseback riding

1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:25.080
<v Speaker 5>above my name. I don't know, yeah, but yeah, I am.

1:41:25.120 --> 1:41:29.120
<v Speaker 5>I'm good on a horse. Gonna say so that that's true. Uh,

1:41:29.160 --> 1:41:32.040
<v Speaker 5>and I think there yeah, there aren't a ton of

1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:36.280
<v Speaker 5>actors who can ride well. But it did. It just

1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:40.080
<v Speaker 5>kind of happened because I'm you know, Chicago, raised in Florida,

1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:42.800
<v Speaker 5>went to school in North Carolina. But but now, like

1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:45.320
<v Speaker 5>living here in the mountains is different than going to

1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:48.120
<v Speaker 5>school over in like Rollie Durham, Like that's one thing,

1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:51.479
<v Speaker 5>but the mountains is it's as you guys know you've

1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:57.160
<v Speaker 5>been here, there's there's a little more of a redneck vibe. Yeah,

1:41:58.439 --> 1:42:02.720
<v Speaker 5>so you know, but I'm like a white trash these

1:42:02.760 --> 1:42:03.519
<v Speaker 5>other places.

1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:06.000
<v Speaker 4>There's also like a huge demand for this stuff now.

1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I think since Yellowstone got so popular, right like now,

1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>there's like a demand for all more cowboys. Not that

1:42:11.280 --> 1:42:14.160
<v Speaker 1>cowboys stuff hasn't been a huge part of American entertainment

1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. But I feel like now I'm

1:42:16.360 --> 1:42:19.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing so many Yellowstone adjacent You're right.

1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:23.400
<v Speaker 5>And then there was a pilot season of the Yellowstone knockoff, yes,

1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:26.320
<v Speaker 5>and those didn't last because there's only one Yellowstone, and

1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:30.479
<v Speaker 5>Ohmire was pretty good but never quite did what Yellowstone did.

1:42:31.800 --> 1:42:34.640
<v Speaker 5>But but yeah, I agree with you, a total resurgence.

1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:37.920
<v Speaker 5>And so there was a moment there where you know,

1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:40.080
<v Speaker 5>I was getting ready to do a new show. I

1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:41.840
<v Speaker 5>was actually going to do a comedy, right, and then

1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:44.559
<v Speaker 5>the pandemic everything got shut down and then didn't work

1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:46.080
<v Speaker 5>for a couple of years. And then that's that was

1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:48.519
<v Speaker 5>kind of my way back in where I was doing

1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:52.040
<v Speaker 5>some of these westerns and and that's been great. But

1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:55.439
<v Speaker 5>now I have a new series going in Utah, so

1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:56.519
<v Speaker 5>I'm back in the Oh.

1:42:56.640 --> 1:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:59.280
<v Speaker 1>So I was going to ask you, so like having

1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:02.919
<v Speaker 1>your family in North Carolina, but then being an actor,

1:43:02.960 --> 1:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>like you must be kind of on the road a lot, right,

1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>like you just commute to work and.

1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:09.880
<v Speaker 5>Kind kind of kind of now and and so how

1:43:09.920 --> 1:43:13.639
<v Speaker 5>that started to happen out of the pandemic. And when

1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:16.920
<v Speaker 5>I was, you know, New Year, I was just leaving

1:43:17.000 --> 1:43:19.240
<v Speaker 5>for a month or two months at a time and go,

1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:23.000
<v Speaker 5>do you know like a Christmas movie? Because I needed

1:43:23.040 --> 1:43:26.040
<v Speaker 5>the money or it's also cool to make things that

1:43:26.080 --> 1:43:29.760
<v Speaker 5>your kids can can watch. Yeah, so I'm proud of

1:43:29.800 --> 1:43:32.280
<v Speaker 5>my two little Christmas nooze and then uh and then

1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:35.479
<v Speaker 5>the westerns do you tend to get offered to me? Now?

1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:38.640
<v Speaker 5>And and those are great because as you know, I

1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:42.280
<v Speaker 5>love to ride. But this new thing is called Homestead.

1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:44.840
<v Speaker 5>We shoot it out in Utah. It started as a

1:43:44.840 --> 1:43:48.639
<v Speaker 5>as a feature, has always developed to be a series,

1:43:48.720 --> 1:43:50.720
<v Speaker 5>but then we had that Hollywood strike and so the

1:43:50.760 --> 1:43:52.519
<v Speaker 5>only way they could shoot it was as a as

1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:55.320
<v Speaker 5>a feature. And so that was basically the first two episodes.

1:43:55.360 --> 1:43:57.160
<v Speaker 5>We shot a couple more, and now we're going back

1:43:57.160 --> 1:44:00.760
<v Speaker 5>this summer to finish the first season and planning on

1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:02.519
<v Speaker 5>doing season two in the snow.

1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's actually what I'm hoping for White the

1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:07.799
<v Speaker 2>next White Lotus.

1:44:07.920 --> 1:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I want snow. Oh well, a great idea I thought

1:44:11.200 --> 1:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>they were. Parker Posey said it should be in the

1:44:12.880 --> 1:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Alps so people can get where people should get gratitude,

1:44:17.160 --> 1:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>like crazy altitude weirdness, altitude sickness.

1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:23.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a thing. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. We got

1:44:23.200 --> 1:44:25.000
<v Speaker 5>married and Aspen and my wife got it. It's an

1:44:25.040 --> 1:44:27.639
<v Speaker 5>actual Wow. Yeah we did ski wedding.

1:44:27.720 --> 1:44:30.439
<v Speaker 4>That's cool. Wow you ski too, another thing on your

1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:33.240
<v Speaker 4>list of the skills, geezus.

1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:38.479
<v Speaker 2>So you're going to do snow riding skiing time? What's

1:44:38.520 --> 1:44:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Florida wild?

1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:44.559
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Another Western So it's always kind of a dream

1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:47.439
<v Speaker 5>of mine to go back to Florida and work. I'd

1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:51.000
<v Speaker 5>never you know, filmed anything down there. And uh and

1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:54.040
<v Speaker 5>there's a sky marked Pentecost too. You know, had this

1:44:54.040 --> 1:44:56.920
<v Speaker 5>this dream and he built this old western town on

1:44:56.920 --> 1:45:01.639
<v Speaker 5>his ranch. And the movies based on this book about

1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:04.400
<v Speaker 5>how they used to do these cattle drives back, you know,

1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:06.879
<v Speaker 5>through the Everglades and they get them out to the railroad.

1:45:06.880 --> 1:45:10.559
<v Speaker 1>It's so cool. I just got back from Florida two

1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:11.040
<v Speaker 1>days ago.

1:45:11.080 --> 1:45:12.880
<v Speaker 4>I was there. Oh, Sarasota.

1:45:13.800 --> 1:45:15.719
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so that's where you fly.

1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:19.040
<v Speaker 4>Into you fly Tampa, but you know s r Q.

1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:22.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, yeah, So I'm actually going back to Sarasota

1:45:22.520 --> 1:45:23.920
<v Speaker 5>for a thing down there. And then you go out

1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:27.080
<v Speaker 5>to a place called Mayaca City, middle of nowhere. There's

1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:31.519
<v Speaker 5>like an elephant sanctuary got there. So it's technically not

1:45:31.640 --> 1:45:34.080
<v Speaker 5>the Everglades but just north of but it's all like

1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:37.160
<v Speaker 5>Marshy kind of same same topography.

1:45:37.280 --> 1:45:39.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh that's awesome. So you have a lot coming up

1:45:39.520 --> 1:45:40.759
<v Speaker 4>and you're doing a lot.

1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:43.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I almost forgot. There's another one

1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:46.120
<v Speaker 5>that just came out in theaters on Friday. It's called

1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:49.919
<v Speaker 5>Sod and Stubble. Another Western kind of you know, pioneer

1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:53.639
<v Speaker 5>back when Kansas was a frontier based on a book,

1:45:53.800 --> 1:45:57.640
<v Speaker 5>real life story. This one's a little more you know,

1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:00.679
<v Speaker 5>it's hard, it's hard living back in the teen eighties,

1:46:00.720 --> 1:46:04.280
<v Speaker 5>and you go like stick your claim. But yeah, Soud

1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:07.200
<v Speaker 5>and Stubbles in theaters right now, Florida Wilds on Deck

1:46:07.240 --> 1:46:10.240
<v Speaker 5>and then Homestead or Homestead All.

1:46:10.240 --> 1:46:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, you're like, that's like a good success story

1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:16.479
<v Speaker 1>of like someone who moved to like a different part

1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of the country and can still like be doing acting.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like that's great.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and yet not to get all religious about it,

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<v Speaker 5>but it did take a real leap of faith, and

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<v Speaker 5>being back here in North Carolina, I feel more supported.

1:46:34.000 --> 1:46:37.320
<v Speaker 5>Like I actually, after doing this for twenty five years,

1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:40.080
<v Speaker 5>was like I might have to find a new profession,

1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:42.439
<v Speaker 5>and so I should. You know, I'm happy to speak

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<v Speaker 5>candidly for any of the other actors out there in

1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:48.519
<v Speaker 5>the audience. But I took this sleep of faith, and

1:46:49.720 --> 1:46:51.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, he caught me. And I feel supported and

1:46:51.840 --> 1:46:53.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm excited about the future.

1:46:53.400 --> 1:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>And I guess if you had to make a career

1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>change where you could be like a football coach or

1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:02.240
<v Speaker 1>a horse wrangler, or you could say, or a ski instructor.

1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a few things I feel like you

1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:04.800
<v Speaker 1>can fall back on.

1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:06.799
<v Speaker 5>Apparently I'm pretty good at bingos.

1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, bingo. Yes, down at church. You gotta run church, Bingo.

1:47:14.280 --> 1:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for talking to us and taking

1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the time. This was so fun. We got an NFL

1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Haver on the on the pod.

1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:25.160
<v Speaker 4>It's huge. It's a fun things. I love it.

1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:25.960
<v Speaker 5>I love it. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, good chats, good talk. Same issues. We'll never progress

1:47:36.680 --> 1:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>as humans. I don't know what I like is that's

1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>what's keeping us down thinking we can get But I mean,

1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's better. I feel like there are a

1:47:45.439 --> 1:47:47.120
<v Speaker 2>lot of gultees in the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>I get it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, athletics is definitely an area where things

1:47:53.560 --> 1:47:55.240
<v Speaker 1>are slow to change.

1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:58.880
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I just got a text that like pops up

1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>on my screen while we're recording, and it's it's from

1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:08.479
<v Speaker 2>a friend and it says, is Lisa vander Pump running

1:48:08.479 --> 1:48:09.040
<v Speaker 2>a brothel?

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<v Speaker 4>Question mark.

1:48:14.360 --> 1:48:14.439
<v Speaker 1>What.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get back to that after we're done recording, of course,

1:48:17.680 --> 1:48:20.240
<v Speaker 2>but I thought I would share with everyone. Yeah, athletics

1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:23.240
<v Speaker 2>does move slowly, but I am thinking about just like

1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that woman that tried to run the first the Boston

1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Marathon and people like truly we're trying to rip her

1:48:28.080 --> 1:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>down and pull her away, and like the fake pseudoscience

1:48:31.160 --> 1:48:33.799
<v Speaker 2>that's used to like have prevented women from wing sports.

1:48:33.800 --> 1:48:36.160
<v Speaker 4>I feel like women have made huge.

1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Progress, Yes, and we've got you exactly, and like like

1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>now there's like female.

1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:42.759
<v Speaker 4>They're all major teams, and you know.

1:48:42.840 --> 1:48:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Like we're getting we're getting progressive there, but like I

1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:47.479
<v Speaker 1>still think to.

1:48:47.479 --> 1:48:49.719
<v Speaker 4>Be I was on my football team in eighth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course Lisa a pioneer bursting those doors open,

1:48:55.680 --> 1:49:00.760
<v Speaker 1>of course, but I just like I still feel like

1:49:01.040 --> 1:49:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you as like if you're like a gay NBA player,

1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:07.240
<v Speaker 1>NFL player, you're like you're probably just not coming out

1:49:07.280 --> 1:49:11.720
<v Speaker 1>until you're retiring, because even if you're like accepted by

1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:14.200
<v Speaker 1>your teammates, you're probably not getting that Gatorade deal or

1:49:14.240 --> 1:49:17.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever that. Like they talk about what's the d what's

1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the drink called in this one? Something stupid that I

1:49:19.080 --> 1:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>thought I had a better name for. Oh yeah, power twink.

1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be called power twink. What is power drink?

1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I just uh, yeah, this show always

1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>reminds me like ben far we've come and how far

1:49:34.040 --> 1:49:34.719
<v Speaker 1>we've not come?

1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:39.880
<v Speaker 2>But Benson ruined it. I mean, Benson definitely outed this man. Yes,

1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:44.799
<v Speaker 2>all of the fallout is because of Benson. Sorry, like sorry,

1:49:44.840 --> 1:49:45.360
<v Speaker 2>not sorry.

1:49:46.200 --> 1:49:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they've ever given her such a

1:49:48.080 --> 1:49:52.280
<v Speaker 1>blunder before, like that, She's obviously made mistakes, she's been

1:49:52.320 --> 1:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>wrong about the suspect and stuff, but like such a

1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:57.599
<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like you ruin this man's career, like

1:49:57.720 --> 1:49:59.439
<v Speaker 1>you ruined this man's fucking life.

1:50:00.840 --> 1:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, we got to think of it. But yeah,

1:50:04.400 --> 1:50:06.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a bad one. I can but that bitch. They

1:50:06.680 --> 1:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>should have arrested her for something and like put her

1:50:08.960 --> 1:50:11.840
<v Speaker 2>in the box. I don't know, she couldn't text. Oh,

1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>they should have breaken all the roads.

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<v Speaker 4>Not pretty enough for me? Swim on the cover of

1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:18.559
<v Speaker 4>the Swimsuit issue.

1:50:18.720 --> 1:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, she's a beautiful girl.

1:50:21.840 --> 1:50:24.080
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, well she she said the F word.

1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I think we can let it go. But the actress, yes,

1:50:26.080 --> 1:50:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the actress pretty.

1:50:26.720 --> 1:50:28.439
<v Speaker 2>You don't think they already got someone booked for this

1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:31.840
<v Speaker 2>big time spread, like maybe she could be in it.

1:50:31.880 --> 1:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>But the cover of Sports Illustrates to me is just

1:50:33.920 --> 1:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's like the September issue of Vogue.

1:50:36.000 --> 1:50:38.240
<v Speaker 4>It's like this is like months in advance.

1:50:38.680 --> 1:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>It's really crazy how much it was ingrained into our youth.

1:50:41.840 --> 1:50:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Like I would be like in eighth grade being like

1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>who got the cover? Like what do I give a shit?

1:50:45.960 --> 1:50:49.519
<v Speaker 1>I never read Yeah, ma, oh my god, whoever gets

1:50:49.960 --> 1:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>fifty most Beautiful people on People magazine? Like the cover

1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:55.599
<v Speaker 1>of that was like it had me in a choke hold.

1:50:55.680 --> 1:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed with all of those magazine covers.

1:50:58.520 --> 1:50:59.479
<v Speaker 4>Now print media is.

1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Like please, please by thing. You know, I just bought

1:51:03.479 --> 1:51:05.880
<v Speaker 1>a People. By the way, I just bought a People magazine.

1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I used to be kind of really into People on

1:51:08.120 --> 1:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the airplane and whenever I would travel, and then when

1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>they had Trump on the cover, like right after he

1:51:12.920 --> 1:51:16.479
<v Speaker 1>got elected the first time, and I think EG and

1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Carol used to write for People. I was like, oh,

1:51:18.439 --> 1:51:20.880
<v Speaker 1>fuck you guys, like I'm done with People, but I

1:51:20.960 --> 1:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>grabbed it now eight years later. Once recently, Okay, the

1:51:24.880 --> 1:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>whole cover story was about this NFL player he played

1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:30.519
<v Speaker 1>like one season whose wife was plotting to kill him.

1:51:30.600 --> 1:51:32.639
<v Speaker 4>This is relevant to our genre.

1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he's now dating Savannah Chrisly from Chrisly Knows Best

1:51:38.360 --> 1:51:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the Man. Okay, but the cover story is about and

1:51:41.960 --> 1:51:44.599
<v Speaker 1>actually he just broke up with Savannah out of nowhere,

1:51:44.640 --> 1:51:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and she's very upset about it, but at the time

1:51:47.000 --> 1:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he's still dating her. She he's so rich somehow, this

1:51:50.920 --> 1:51:51.280
<v Speaker 1>guy that.

1:51:51.200 --> 1:51:52.240
<v Speaker 4>They have a private plane.

1:51:52.280 --> 1:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>He gets into a huge fight with his wife because

1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>she wants to use the private plane to go down

1:51:56.080 --> 1:51:57.400
<v Speaker 1>to the Bahamas, but he knows she's going to see

1:51:57.400 --> 1:51:59.799
<v Speaker 1>her new boyfriend. They're still living together even though they're separated,

1:52:00.280 --> 1:52:02.000
<v Speaker 1>so he's like, no, you're not allowed to. So then

1:52:02.040 --> 1:52:04.160
<v Speaker 1>she texts her boyfriend and her boyfriend's friend in the

1:52:04.200 --> 1:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Bahamas kill him or something like that, because she sees

1:52:08.400 --> 1:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>a picture of him in the Bahamas with his girlfriend.

1:52:11.240 --> 1:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>So she's like pissed, and she texts kill him that

1:52:14.000 --> 1:52:17.080
<v Speaker 1>somehow is a murder plot. No money is exchanged, no

1:52:17.200 --> 1:52:19.080
<v Speaker 1>plans are made, no no.

1:52:19.360 --> 1:52:19.759
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1:52:19.800 --> 1:52:23.960
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't say she's she's on trial, like she's literally

1:52:23.960 --> 1:52:26.599
<v Speaker 1>going to trial for a murder plot of her husband.

1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:27.920
<v Speaker 4>And I read this.

1:52:27.840 --> 1:52:30.040
<v Speaker 1>People article, I'm like, am I are you guys this

1:52:30.120 --> 1:52:31.280
<v Speaker 1>desperate to sell magazines?

1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:33.560
<v Speaker 4>Like this is not even a case.

1:52:34.040 --> 1:52:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a fucking serial killer possibly in New England

1:52:37.080 --> 1:52:39.439
<v Speaker 1>and like that no one's paying attention to Oh my.

1:52:39.400 --> 1:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>God, yes, And I was in herd Island when I

1:52:41.160 --> 1:52:44.360
<v Speaker 2>found out about it. Oh yeah, god, wait hold on,

1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to read this while you're telling me about it.

1:52:46.320 --> 1:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like overwhelmed. The christly Like I just I'm like,

1:52:49.320 --> 1:52:51.639
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? Like if ever, every time I said

1:52:51.720 --> 1:52:53.200
<v Speaker 2>kill him was in my phone and I was on

1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:55.160
<v Speaker 2>trial for murder, right, It's.

1:52:54.960 --> 1:52:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Like if you are like exactly, like if we were

1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:00.000
<v Speaker 1>like we think Mark Zuckerberg should be in front of

1:53:00.000 --> 1:53:01.519
<v Speaker 1>a firing squad, It's like they come in and they

1:53:01.520 --> 1:53:04.320
<v Speaker 1>get us like like the she did not exchange any

1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:06.479
<v Speaker 1>money with them, didn't say, hey, he normally is at

1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:09.559
<v Speaker 1>this diner at this time. Go get him, like there

1:53:09.640 --> 1:53:12.360
<v Speaker 1>was no plot in place, and this woman's like literally

1:53:12.560 --> 1:53:14.160
<v Speaker 1>having to go down to the Bahamas and go to

1:53:14.200 --> 1:53:17.920
<v Speaker 1>trial all the time. It's crazy. And then this guy

1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:21.200
<v Speaker 1>dumps the Vanna Christly on her ass. That Christly guy's

1:53:21.200 --> 1:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>in jail till twenty thirty three. That's a long time

1:53:24.000 --> 1:53:26.639
<v Speaker 1>for like the tax evasion shit, that's a long time.

1:53:26.720 --> 1:53:29.280
<v Speaker 1>You can't fuck with the government. I don't have the money.

1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:32.200
<v Speaker 1>You can't fuck with money. I don't know, Yeah, but

1:53:33.560 --> 1:53:35.720
<v Speaker 1>like all I want to know what the charges were, Like,

1:53:35.760 --> 1:53:39.600
<v Speaker 1>what are her fucking charges? Like everything is salacious, Like

1:53:39.640 --> 1:53:42.439
<v Speaker 1>every news headline is, oh, Clement sure has nothing to

1:53:42.479 --> 1:53:42.760
<v Speaker 1>do with this.

1:53:42.880 --> 1:53:43.960
<v Speaker 4>Again, I can't. I can't.

1:53:44.640 --> 1:53:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we've been getting some messages from listeners about

1:53:47.520 --> 1:53:50.439
<v Speaker 1>this New England serial killer. I mean, the cops are

1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:55.479
<v Speaker 1>saying they're not connected. It's oh really, yeah. I first

1:53:55.479 --> 1:54:00.680
<v Speaker 1>think there's not a ton of like that kind of murder,

1:54:00.880 --> 1:54:04.120
<v Speaker 1>serial murdering I feel like happening in like New England,

1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:06.519
<v Speaker 1>And so I think all of the I say that

1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:08.400
<v Speaker 1>as a New Englander, I don't think there's a lot

1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of good law enforcement, Like I don't think they have precedent.

1:54:10.439 --> 1:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they know what. They're like doing a lot,

1:54:12.479 --> 1:54:14.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, when it's ten bodies now found in less

1:54:14.439 --> 1:54:15.640
<v Speaker 2>than two months. But it's kind of like with the

1:54:15.680 --> 1:54:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Long Island killer, the cops and the chief of whatever.

1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, no, no, not connect Ell. She

1:54:19.920 --> 1:54:21.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go like they're fucking animals. Like, I don't

1:54:21.960 --> 1:54:24.240
<v Speaker 2>know what to tell you. They have their own little

1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:26.160
<v Speaker 2>secret cult going on.

1:54:26.520 --> 1:54:28.519
<v Speaker 1>It's at least getting a little bit oppressed now, but

1:54:28.560 --> 1:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the cops are doing anything about it.

1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Label it, yeah, officials address rumors, you know, like they

1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>don't want to. Well, now an aar restumate in a

1:54:37.480 --> 1:54:41.160
<v Speaker 2>homicide of New England women one day ago. So but

1:54:41.240 --> 1:54:43.160
<v Speaker 2>it's people dot com. I don't know if we like, wait,

1:54:43.280 --> 1:54:46.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what case John Kultfo was arrested in connection

1:54:46.320 --> 1:54:48.360
<v Speaker 2>with the death of Suzanne worms start and you know what,

1:54:48.360 --> 1:54:50.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone everyone was bringing up the read case like I

1:54:50.760 --> 1:54:52.800
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get on stage.

1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Can't of course Rhode Island, like I said, it's Massachusetts, cousin.

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<v Speaker 4>There's too much crime. I can't keep up with all

1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:00.000
<v Speaker 4>of this and live a life.

1:55:00.120 --> 1:55:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, the other thing I was going to say, too,

1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:04.040
<v Speaker 1>is that they've been wrapping up the trial of that

1:55:04.080 --> 1:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>guy who traveled to Idaho to kill a bunch of

1:55:07.040 --> 1:55:08.280
<v Speaker 1>beautiful little kids.

1:55:08.640 --> 1:55:09.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean not kids.

1:55:09.360 --> 1:55:11.640
<v Speaker 1>They're like college students, but they're like, you know, they

1:55:11.680 --> 1:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't do anything, and if they.

1:55:14.920 --> 1:55:17.200
<v Speaker 4>Did something, they don't deserve No, no, I know, but

1:55:17.280 --> 1:55:19.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, like they weren't. They weren't.

1:55:19.200 --> 1:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>There's no perfect victims. But it's like they didn't even

1:55:20.960 --> 1:55:22.520
<v Speaker 1>know this person. They didn't even know this man.

1:55:22.840 --> 1:55:26.880
<v Speaker 2>And I don't even think he's maintains death penalty as possible, Okay,

1:55:26.880 --> 1:55:28.000
<v Speaker 2>because I was about to be like, and I bet

1:55:28.080 --> 1:55:29.920
<v Speaker 2>he's not even getting Yeah.

1:55:29.920 --> 1:55:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I think they're trying to get this guy. And I

1:55:31.520 --> 1:55:32.240
<v Speaker 1>think Idaho.

1:55:32.400 --> 1:55:35.040
<v Speaker 4>I just read something that Idaho maybe does firing squad.

1:55:35.120 --> 1:55:35.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:55:36.520 --> 1:55:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, according in March, the governor of Idaho said that

1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:44.120
<v Speaker 1>he signed a law last month that the firing squad

1:55:44.160 --> 1:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>will be the primary death penalty in Idaho. So this

1:55:48.280 --> 1:55:49.680
<v Speaker 1>guy might get firing squad.

1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:52.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. There is too much crime.

1:55:52.920 --> 1:55:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's move in to the next segment of our show,

1:55:57.400 --> 1:55:59.720
<v Speaker 1>What would Sister Peg Do? This is where we direct

1:55:59.760 --> 1:56:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you guys towards a resource, an article, a book, a

1:56:02.920 --> 1:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>documentary something to give you more info about what we've

1:56:05.040 --> 1:56:08.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about in today's episode and this week for WWSPD,

1:56:08.840 --> 1:56:12.879
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to point out in light of our amazing president,

1:56:12.920 --> 1:56:17.040
<v Speaker 1>honestly he's crushing all aspects of his leadership. In light

1:56:17.080 --> 1:56:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of him, I guess cutting funding for the LGBTQ Suicide Hotline.

1:56:24.640 --> 1:56:27.760
<v Speaker 1>We wanted to point you to the LGBT National Coming

1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Out Support Hotline in light of the you know what

1:56:31.320 --> 1:56:34.560
<v Speaker 1>we talked about on this episode, and the hotline never

1:56:34.640 --> 1:56:37.000
<v Speaker 1>tells a caller whether they should come out, but they

1:56:37.040 --> 1:56:39.320
<v Speaker 1>can help with those big decisions and to provide care

1:56:39.360 --> 1:56:42.800
<v Speaker 1>in a safe space. And it's also available for people

1:56:42.840 --> 1:56:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of any age. You can call the hotline eight eight

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this and what's going on. I'm like, I

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