1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to another new episode of 2 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat and I'm 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: your host. Quick reminder up top that although I am 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: a licensed therapist, this is not a replacement for therapy. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: It might lead you to therapy, or it might encourage 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: you to bring something up new in your own therapy session, 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: but it itself does not serve as therapy. Now earlier 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: this morning, I'm recording this on a Friday, will come 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: out on Monday. I was texting my friend Amy, who 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: has a podcast for Things with Amy Brown. A lot 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: of you have heard of that and listened to that, 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: and that's how you found this podcast. Anyway, I was 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: texting her as I was getting my ducks in a 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: row for the episode, about how excited I was about 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: this episode, and it just like came on to me 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: like very quickly, because this isn't an episode where I'm 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: just teaching something to you. I'm actually trying to create 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: a conversation around something that I bump into a lot. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: This episode feels more personal. I am like in it 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: with all of you guys, So I'm excited to talk 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: about it because it feels like I'm talking about my stuff, 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: even though I'm talking about a lot of stuff and 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people's stuff. So I've been pretty vocal 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: about my dislike for hustle culture in many episodes and 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: just how I talk in general conversation and how I 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: am in social media. I don't like it. I find 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: it to be very problematic. And at the same time, 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: I also I am a big fan of working hard 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: and working and like doing things, not to be confused 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: with Kim Kardashi and that whole situation. So I was 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: gonna do an episode on just hustle culture versus a 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: couple other things that were coming to mind. And it 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: all started because a couple of weeks ago, I was 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: talking to my dad and he said something about how 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: like nobody wants to work anymore, and well, I think 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: that I have some personal opinions and beliefs on that, 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: which maybe we'll get to maybe I'll talk about and share. Well, 38 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I guess this is personal opinion. To be honest, it 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: does feel like no one wants to work. And I 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: don't know if that actually is true, but it can 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: feel that way right now where I am in my 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: area of the world, it can feel like that. It 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: feels like a lot of places are understaff. And I 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: don't know the validity of this, but it does feel 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: like people want like better paying jobs. It's more time 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: off and more benefits. They aren't as willing to like 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: start at the bottom anymore. Again, I think that it's 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: okay that we want more benefits and stuff like that, 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: but it throws into this like, well, nobody just wants 50 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: to do this hard work kind of kind of vibe. 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: So when my dad said that, I replied to him 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: pretty fast and I said, well, I get it, I 53 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: don't want to work, and he, I think was confused 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: because he looked at me and he replied something like, well, yes, 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: you do. You work all the time. You're a really 56 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: hard worker, to which I said yeah, because I have to, like, 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: if somebody was to say, here's six million dollars and 58 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: just give me money, I think that I would seriously 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: consider quitting my job and going on like a permanent vacation. 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: But then the more I sat with this, and the 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: more people I kind of told that story too, I 62 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: wondered to myself as if this was actually true, like 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: what I actually feel, Okay, if I didn't work and 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: just allowed myself to live life to day to day 65 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: and why or why not would that be? It sounds 66 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: so nice, And then I'm like, well, what I'd be fulfilled? 67 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: Would'd be bored? What I feel like I had a purpose? Also? 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: What I care about what other people thought about how 69 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: I was living my life? And this kind of pushed 70 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: me into this reel in my head about hustle culture 71 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: and how I personally feel about my generation, which would 72 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: be millennials, how I feel we are viewed. And it's 73 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: so confusing because on one hand, I hear this tape 74 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: played over and over about how we're lazy and we 75 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: don't want to do anything and we just want things 76 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: handed to us and we can't do things. And then 77 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: I see this other part that feels like we're all 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: out here hustling and everyone's told to go follow their 79 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: dreams and rise and grind and and don't sleep because 80 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: you can sleep when you're dead and grab every essence 81 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: of life. Kind of like mon like, just go go, 82 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: go do to do soak it all in, don't stop, 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: can't stop all that. And the anxiety written part of 84 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: me was like, oh my gosh, this doesn't make sense. 85 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: I need this to be more clear, I need to 86 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: have a better understanding. I need a general consensus. What 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: do people see us as? Are we this? Are we that? 88 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: And the therapist part of me was like, hey, cat, 89 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: you know how you have a natural tendency to go 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: black and white all the time. That's my natural go to. 91 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: You don't have to do that here, like, let's sit 92 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: in this grayness. So I'm thinking about the experience with 93 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: my dad, and then I'm also thinking about how the 94 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: world views my generation and how I think people view me. 95 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting because I started to understand how, 96 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: like I fit into this rising grind hustle box, but 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: I also can fit into this no one wants to 98 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: do anything box like I actually can fit into both. 99 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: And from the outside, I think this is all assumptions. 100 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: I have not asked anybody this, but from the outside, 101 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes people can see me as this 102 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: like grinder, like I work hard, I don't stop till 103 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: it's done, like kind of like what my dad was. 104 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: But then I'm also the person who has a closet 105 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: full of things that I've ordered online that I can't 106 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: manage to return and I have literally no excuse, no reason. 107 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: It just seems hard to me. There are so many 108 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: small ministical tasks that I can't get myself to do, 109 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: not hard, literally just blanketly not hard things that I 110 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: can't do. And some people might say that she's lazy. 111 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: I can work a fifty hour work week, a sixty 112 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: hour work week, who knows how many hours I can work, 113 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: But I can't return an Amazon package. And that's kind 114 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: of confusing to me. So I started researching for this 115 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: episode that I wanted to do, and I, like I 116 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: said earlier, just wanted to do it about hustle culture. 117 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: And then I came across this article that I will 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: come back to that led me to this other BuzzFeed 119 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: essay from both of these are from two US nineteen 120 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: and this BuzzFeed essay was written by Anne Helen Peterson 121 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: and it is called how Millennials Became the Burnout Generation. 122 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Some of you guys might have read this or heard 123 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: of this. It was new to me, and these two 124 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: articles hit like every nail on the head. So I'm 125 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: going to read some excerpts from both of these, and 126 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about my thoughts and talk 127 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: through some of this stuff with you guys. Because even 128 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: though these articles are like three years old. I still 129 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: think they're really important and they have been really helpful 130 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: to me. So let's start with the article how Millennials 131 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 1: became the Burnout Generation again written by an Helen Peterson. 132 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: And I'm going to just read how the article opens 133 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: up because it really like hooked me in, which is 134 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: I think the goal here? So and writes, I tried 135 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: to register for the two thousand and sixteen election, but 136 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: it was beyond the deadline by the time I tried 137 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: to do it. A man named Tim explained to New 138 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: York Magazine last fall, I hate mailing stuff. It gives 139 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: me anxiety. Tim was outlining the reasons why he, like 140 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: eleven other millennials interviewed by the magazine, probably wouldn't vote 141 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: in the two thousand and eighteen midterm election. The amount 142 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: of work, logically isn't that much, he continued, fill out 143 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: a form, mail it, go to the specific place on 144 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: a specific day. But those kind of tasks can be 145 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: hard for me to do if I'm not enthusiastic about it. 146 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Tim goes on to admit that some friends had helped 147 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: him registered to vote, and he planned to probably make 148 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: that happen, but his explanation, even though, as he noted, 149 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: his struggle in this case was caused in part by 150 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: his a d h D triggered the contemporary tendency to 151 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: dunk on millennials inability to complete seemingly basic tasks. Grow up. 152 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: The overall sentiment goes, life is not that hard, so 153 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: this is the way the world ends. Huff Post congressional 154 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: reporter Matt Fueler tweeted, not with a bang, but with 155 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of millennials who don't know how to mail things. 156 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: Explanations like Tim's are at the core of the millennial reputation. 157 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: Were spoiled, entitled, lazy, and failures at what's come to 158 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: be known as adult ing, a word invented by millennials 159 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: as a catch all for the tasks of sell sufficient existence. 160 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Expressions of adulting do often come off as privileged astonishment 161 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: at the realities of well life. That you have to 162 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: pay bills and go to work, that you have to 163 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: buy food and cook if you want to eat it, 164 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: that actions have consequences. Adulting is hard because life is hard, or, 165 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: as a Bustle article admonishes its readers, everything is hard 166 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: if you want to look at it. That way millennials 167 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: love to complain about other millennials giving them a bad name. 168 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: But as I fumed about this twenty seven year olds 169 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: post office anxiety, I was in a deep cycle of 170 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: a tendency developed over the last five years that I've 171 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: come to call air and paralysis. I'd put something on 172 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: my weekly to do list and it roll over one 173 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: week to the next, haunting me for months. None of 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: these tasks were that hard, getting knives sharpened, taking boots 175 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: to the cobbler, registering my dog for a new license, 176 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: sending someone a signed copy of my book, scheduling an 177 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: appointment with a dermatologist, donating books to the library, vacuum 178 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: in my car, A hand full of emails, one from 179 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: a dear friend, one from a former student asking how 180 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: my life was going, festered in my personal inbox, which 181 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: I used as a sort of alternative to do list, 182 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: to the point that I started calling it the inbox 183 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: of shame. It's not as if I was slacking the 184 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: rest of my life. I was publishing stories, writing two books, 185 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: making meals, executing a move across the country, planning trips, 186 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: paying my student loans, exercising on a regular basis. But 187 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: when it came to the mundane, the medium priority, the 188 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: stuff that wouldn't make my job easier or my work better, 189 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: I avoided it. My shame about these errands expands each day. 190 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: I remind myself that my mom was pretty much always 191 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: doing errands. Did you like them? No? But she got 192 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: them done? So why couldn't I get it together? Especially 193 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: when the tasks were, at first glance easily completed. I 194 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: realized that a vast majority of these tasks share a 195 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: common denominator. Their primary beneficiary is me, but not in 196 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: a way that would actually drastically and with my life. 197 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: They are seemingly high effort, low reward tasks, and they 198 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: paralyze me, not unlike the way registering to vote paralyzed 199 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: millennial Tim. Okay, so back to cat. If this idea 200 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: or this excerpt feels familiar, let me tell you same. 201 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: As I continue to read this article, I just kept 202 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: saying to myself, yep, yep, yep, like I kept like 203 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: checking boxes to what she was saying. The psycho of 204 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: feeling like I have to work work, work, work, work, 205 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: then feeling overwhelmed, then not being able to answer a 206 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: simple email, then having to combat that shame with more work, work, work, work, work, 207 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: I mean that has been my life before. And we've 208 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: made countless memes and jokes about how adulting is hard, right, 209 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Like why do these things that feels like our parents 210 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: did just so easily, our grandparents did so easy, feel 211 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: so heavy to us? And when did adulting and become 212 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: a word? And if you ask yourself what adulting means, 213 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: you might start to a listit of feeling because when 214 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: I think about it, I think about it basically being 215 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,359 Speaker 1: just taking care of yourself. So why is that overwhelming? 216 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Like why is taking care of myself overwhelming? Well, Peterson 217 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: says in our article later that too adult is to 218 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: complete your to do list. But everything goes on that 219 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: list and the list never ends. And that just kind 220 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: of like hit me, Like in my head, I said 221 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: my little phrase when something hits me like that, yikes bikes, Like, 222 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it never ends. I never get to rest, 223 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: I never get to sleep, I never get to say 224 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: I did it, I'm done. And while I'm not one 225 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: who would ever generalize everyone's anxiety to one grand reason 226 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: like if you know you know, like, I can't stand that, 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: and I do not like when people say if you 228 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: feel this, this is why, that's not what I'm doing here. However, 229 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: it also started to get me to think about me, 230 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: clients that I've had in the past, clients that I 231 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: have in the present who have this unexplainable anxiety, and 232 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: the things that we're taught to do to help alleviate 233 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: this set anxiety. These things are helpful, but they don't 234 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: make the anxiety go away. Right, So like, make small list, 235 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: do one thing at a time, do things for a 236 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: certain amount of time, ask somebody for help, to self care. Yeah, 237 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: sometimes these things help get all that stuff done, but 238 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: it does not cure the anxiety of the anxiety never 239 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: goes away, or what we're calling anxiety. It just doesn't 240 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: go away. So I want to read some more. So 241 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: we're back to Anne's article, and just know I'm skipping 242 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: a lot of parts. This article is very long, but 243 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: later down in the line, she says this, for the 244 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: past two years, I've refused cautions from editors, from family, 245 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: from peers that I might be edging into burnout. To 246 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: my mind, burnout with something aid workers or high powered 247 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: lawyers or investigative journalists dealt with. It was something that 248 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: could be treated with a week on the beach. I 249 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: was still working getting other stuff done. Of course I 250 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: wasn't burned out. But the more I tried to figure 251 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: out my air in paralysis, the more the actual parameters 252 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: of the burnout began to reveal themselves. Burnout and the 253 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: behaviors and weight that accompany it aren't, in fact something 254 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: we can cure by going on a vacation. It's not 255 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: limited to workers in acutely high stress environments, and it's 256 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: not a temporary affliction. It's the millennial condition. It's the 257 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: way things are. It's our lives. That realization recast my 258 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: recent struggle. Why can't I get this mundane stuff done 259 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: because I'm burnt out? Why am I burnt out because 260 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: I've internalized the idea that I should be working all 261 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: the time. Why have I internalized this idea because everything 262 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: and everyone in my life has reinforced it explicitly and implicitly. 263 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: Since I was young. Life has always been hard, but 264 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: many millennials are unequipped to deal with the particular ways 265 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: in which it's become hard for us. Okay, so, cat Agan, 266 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: this leads me to the other article that first got 267 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: me to find this article, and it's titled why are 268 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: young people pretending to love work? This article was written 269 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: by a woman named Aaron Griffith, and it's also so 270 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: it So I'm gonna link both of these articles in 271 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: the show notes. But something that I've been talking a 272 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: lot about with Amy, who I mentioned the beginning of 273 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: this episode on her podcast Four Things with Amy Brown, 274 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: is how annoyed I've been getting when the people brag 275 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: about how busy they are. And I have a lot 276 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: of empathy here, okay, like I really do. I know 277 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: there's something behind this, like some kind of self worth 278 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: ladder and attempt to feel valuable and good, and at 279 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: the same time, it still has been very annoying to me. 280 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: And I say this knowing that I probably did a 281 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: lot of this at some point. And I also say 282 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: this with empathy, because while you're actually working this much 283 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: and that hard, it would make sense to desire validation 284 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: for the output, because often while we're hustling, there's this 285 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: large chunk of time where you aren't receiving the fruits 286 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: of your labor, So we want something. Why can't that 287 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: be validation? So I want to read the opening of 288 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: this article again. This article is titled why are young 289 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: people pretending to love work. Never once at the start 290 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: of my work week, Not in my morning coffee shop line, 291 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: not in my crowded subway commune, Not as I begin 292 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: my bottomless inbox log. Have I paused, looked at the 293 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: heavens and whispered hashtag thank God it's Monday. Apparently that 294 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: makes me a traitor to my generation. I learned this 295 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: during a series of recent visits to we Work locations 296 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: in New York, where the throw billows implore busy tenants 297 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: to do what you love. Neon signs demand today hustle 298 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: harder and mural spread the gospel of t G. I 299 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: am this is cat here that means thank God it's Monday. 300 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: It took me a second to figure that out. Back 301 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: to the article, Even the cucumbers and the wee works 302 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: water coolers have an agenda. Don't stop when you're tired, 303 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: someone recently carved into the floating vegetables flesh, stop when 304 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: you're done. Welcome to hustle culture. It is obsessed with striving, 305 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: relentlessly positive, devoid of humor, and once you notice it 306 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: impossible to escape cat Here again. I want to remind 307 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: I just feel like I need to say this again, 308 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: I've been part of this, So I don't say this 309 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, these people are blank. I 310 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: mean I've been one of these people. I have been 311 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: on the side that has worked a million hours a 312 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: week and been dead tired and just like bulldozed through 313 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: my life for a couple of years in order to 314 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: get my career moving and going. I have to admit 315 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: that also, it didn't feel all bad. I've enjoyed myself 316 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: in parts of this. I love working hard, and while 317 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to live my life the way I 318 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: did from like probably twenty nine, ever, again I'm grateful 319 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: for where that work has brought me in certain areas. 320 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Because while we advance our careers and create all these 321 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: amazing things under this hustle culture girl Boss can't stop, 322 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: won't stop attitude, it seems that we're producing something else 323 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: under the seems kind of like behind the curtain, And 324 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: this doesn't get revealed until much later when we realize 325 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: that we are humans and that actually we have limitations 326 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: and we can't just like not stop when we're tired 327 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: and stop when we're dead. We're going to eventually have 328 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: some kind of repercussion or consequence from that, and if 329 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: we don't stop to notice it, our bodies will force 330 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: us to not to sit for me and my inability 331 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: to return the four bridesmaid dresses I bought for one wedding. 332 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: It was one of those weddings where like you order 333 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: online and you could have you could order a couple 334 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: different dresses. So I literally ordered like five, kept one, 335 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: they sent me one in the wrong color, and I 336 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: didn't return any of them. You know how much money 337 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: that wastes and how frustrating that is for me. Shout out. 338 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: If anybody needs a light blue or maroon chiffon bridesmaid 339 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: dress I got, you, let me know. I'll send you 340 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: some pictures. So yeah, like I'm saying, like it helped 341 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: me in one area, but also like then it's producing 342 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: this other thing under the surface. Then then I'm sitting 343 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: here being like, why can't I do these things? And 344 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: I have this shame built up, And so I'm sitting 345 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: here in the aftermath of what a hustle mindset created, 346 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: and I'm nauseated by the idea that the amount of 347 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: work you do is tied to morality. Bragging about how 348 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: much you work feels like bragging about your workouts. I 349 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: literally do not care. And I think one of the 350 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: things that I'm connecting here is just that, like, I 351 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: get so frustrated by this bragging mindset about how much 352 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: we're working, because now I'm sitting in the aftermath of it, like, yeah, 353 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: that's awesome, but it's not everything. And your moral character 354 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: is not derived from how many hours you worked and 355 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: how little you sleep. So then Aaron Griffith goes on 356 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: to write. Ryan Harwood, the chief executive of one of 357 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: one PMS parent company, told me that the site's content 358 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: is aimed at a younger generation of people who are 359 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: seeking permission to follow their dreams. They want to know 360 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: how to own their moment at any given moment, he said, 361 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: owning one's moment it's a clever way to rebrand surviving 362 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: the rat race in the New York culture, Enduring or 363 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: even merely liking one's job is not enough. Workers should 364 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: love what they do and then promote that love on 365 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: social media, thus fusing their identities to that of their employers. 366 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Why else would LinkedIn build its own version of a 367 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: Snapchat story. The logical endpoint of excessively avid work of 368 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: core is burnout that is the subject of a very 369 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: recent viral essay by the BuzzFeed cultural critic and Helen Peterson, 370 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: which thoughtfully addresses one of the incongruity ease of hustle 371 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: mania and the young, namely, Ifmennials are supposed to be 372 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: lazy and entitled, how can they also be obsessed with 373 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: killing it at their jobs? So this article that he's 374 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: referencing is the one that I started with. So they're 375 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: going to refuse together, just you know, and if you 376 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: are interested in reading one, I highly suggess reading both. 377 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: But here is where I also want to go off 378 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: on a tangent, and I want you to stay with 379 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: me because I promise my tangent will come from full circle. 380 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: So some of you guys may remember an episode I 381 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: did about passion last year, about passion and curiosity, and 382 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: it was centered around this super soul session that Elizabeth 383 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: Gilbert did, who was the author of Eat, Pray, Love, 384 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: and it was all about passion and following your passion 385 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: and I highly suggest listening to it. So and that 386 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: episode I talked about this this idea that hustle culture 387 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: pushes us to the space where we need to find 388 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: our passion and go, go and work toward it and 389 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get there, and that the 390 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: key to happiness and success is doing that, finding your passion, 391 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: following at it at all costs, and then that is 392 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: how you create a purposeful, meaningful life. Now, I think 393 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: the sentiment is rooted in good intentions, but the outcome 394 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: of this mindset has been damaging in more ways than one. Again, 395 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: I really recommend going and listen to that episode. I 396 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: really recommend if you can find Elizabeth Elizabeth Gilbert's Super 397 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Soul session that she did on that It's amazing. But 398 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: for one inside this idea that we're talking about is 399 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: the belief that the work we do has to be 400 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: super meaningful. And Okay, I mean I can make anything meaningful, 401 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: because I do believe that we need all kinds of 402 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: jobs to survive and make the world go round. But 403 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: this is a different kind of meaningful. This kind of 404 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: meaningful says like we all have to impact the world 405 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: in this crazy way. And I'm all for impacting the 406 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: world for good. Clearly, I am a therapist, so I 407 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: want to help people. But we've created this culture where 408 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: for something to be meaningful, it has to be rooted 409 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: in some life changing mission like say you build websites. Okay, 410 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: well that can be meaningful, right, But then the mission 411 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: statements for this company that builds websites turns into some 412 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: existential credo about how they help others reach their new 413 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: potential of full authentic living. And it becomes this big, great, 414 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: like grand thing. And I'm not feeling creative to create 415 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: this made up creato, but you know what I mean, Like, 416 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: it can't just be like we're helping people by helping 417 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: them build their websites to help them with their business. 418 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: It has to be this like life changing, huge thing, 419 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: and everybody's jobs have to be so like like directly 420 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: making the biggest impact on the world that they can make. 421 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: So Aaron Griffith writes about this in her article as well, 422 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: about how corporations have tried to almost distract from the 423 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: fact that work is work by creating these innocuous mission statements. 424 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: And here in the this expert that I'm about to read, 425 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Griffith is referencing the essay that I started reading 426 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: by Peterson. Millennials, Miss Peterson argues, are just desperately striving 427 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: to meet their own high expectations. An entire generation was 428 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: raised to expect that good grades, extracurricular overachievement would reward 429 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: them with fulfilling jobs that feed their passions. Instead, they 430 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: wound up with precarious, meaningless work and amountain of student 431 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: loan debt, and so posing as a rise and grinder, 432 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: lusty fer Monday mornings starts to make sense as a 433 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: defense mechanism. Most jobs, even most good jobs, are full 434 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: of pointless drudgery. Most corporations let us down in some way. 435 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: And yet years after the HBO satire Silicon Valley made 436 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: the vacuous mission statement, making the world a bet a 437 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: place a reoccurring punchline, many companies still cheerly the virtues 438 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: of work with high minded messaging. For example, Spotify, a 439 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: company that lets you listen to music, says its mission 440 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: is to unlock the potential of human creativity. Dropbox, which 441 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: lets you upload files and stuff, says its purpose is 442 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: to unleash the world's creative energy, but by designing a 443 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: more enlightened way of working. So no one just wants 444 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: to do in quotes work, We want to do meanful work. 445 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: And maybe that's where the no one wants to work 446 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: comes from. To feel good like we're doing life right. 447 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: We have to do meanful work that doesn't even feel 448 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: like work. And honestly, one of my least favorite things 449 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: is that phrase like do what you love and you 450 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: won't work a day in your life, or however that goes. 451 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: And listen, I like my job, I even love my 452 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: job most of the time, but it still feels like work. 453 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: And also when I start to make my hobbies jobs, 454 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: which I have done that then they start to feel 455 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: like work. And also why is it bad to have 456 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: separation from work in other parts of your life? So 457 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: as I read through these articles, I started to get 458 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: antsy for a solution. I wanted to scroll to the 459 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: end of the articles, and maybe I did and see 460 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: what the action steps were at the end? What does 461 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: all this mean? What the heck do we do with this? 462 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's true, Maybe it's true that no one wants 463 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: to work anymore. I wanted to know. But is that 464 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: because we're lazy? Or is it because we are finally 465 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 1: catching onto the ideas that have been sold to us 466 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: and we are realizing that they don't work? So Peterson 467 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: writes in her essay, students are convinced that their first 468 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: job out of college would not only determine their career trajectory, 469 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: but also their intrinsic value for the rest of their lives. 470 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: I told one student whose dozens of internship and fellowship 471 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: applications yielded no results, that she should move somewhere, fun, 472 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: get any job, and figure out what interests her and 473 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: what kind of work she doesn't want to do, a 474 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: suggestion that prompted whaling. But what will I tell my parents? 475 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: She said, I want a cool job I'm passionate about out. 476 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: Those expectations encapsulate the millennial rearing project, in which students 477 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: internalize the need to find employment that reflects well on 478 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: their parents, that's also impressive to their peers and fulfills 479 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: what they've been told has been the end goal of 480 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: all of this childhood optimization. Doing work that you're passionate about, 481 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: whether that job is as a professional sports player, a 482 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: Patagonia social media manager, a program or at a startup, 483 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: or a partner at a law firm, seems to matter 484 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: less than checking all of those boxes, or at least 485 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: that's the theory. So what happens when millennials start the 486 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: actual search for that holy girl career and start adulating, 487 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel at all like the dream that 488 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: they had been promised cat here again, what I know 489 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: is it doesn't work for me to kill myself working 490 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: a hundred hours a week when then I feel like 491 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: I can't even function in my outside life. And by 492 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: outside life, you know what I mean, like not just working, 493 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: especially when I realized that what I was told work 494 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: was going to do for me doesn't happen. Some jobs 495 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: are just jobs, and I don't like that. When we 496 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: realize this, we feel like we have either been sold 497 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: a lie or that now like my work is all 498 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: for nothing, like there's no point. In Peterson's essay about burnout, 499 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: she ends up asking the question like what do I 500 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: do now, just like I was wondering, like I wanted 501 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: to skip to the end of the of the articles. 502 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: How do I fix this problem? How do I avoid burnout? 503 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: How do I avoid this like overarching millennial burnout? Do 504 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: we ask for more vacations? Do we do this? Do 505 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: we that? Do we do more self care? Like? What 506 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: is the answer? And then she starts to wonder, maybe 507 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: this isn't the question we need to be asking, and 508 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: then she writes many of the behaviors attributed to millennials 509 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: are the behaviors of a specific subset of mostly white, 510 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: largely middle class people born between n But even if 511 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: you're a millennial who didn't grow up privileged, you've been 512 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: impacted by the societal and cultural shifts that have shaped 513 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: the generation. Our parents, a mix of young Boomers and 514 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: old Gen Xers, reared us during an age of relative 515 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: economic and political stability. As with previous generations, there is 516 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: an expectation that the next one would be better off, 517 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: both in terms of health and finances than the one 518 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: that had come before. But as millennials enter into mid adulthood, 519 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: that prognosis has been proven false. Financially speaking, most of 520 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: us lag far behind where our parents were when they 521 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: were our age. We have far less saved, far less equity, 522 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: far less stability, and far far more student debt. The 523 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: Greatest generation had the depression in the g I Bill, 524 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Boomers had the Golden Age of capitalism. Gen X had 525 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: deregulation and trickle down economics, and Millennials we've got venture capital. 526 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: But we've also got the two thousand and eight financial crisis, 527 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: the decline of the middle class, and the rise of 528 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: the one percent and the steady decay of union and 529 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: stable full time employment, which this is Cadigan. Maybe you 530 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: want to rewind that and listen to it again, but like, oh, 531 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't even have words for that. It's just just 532 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: like that, like those are my feelings. And then this 533 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: brings me to something else. We haven't talked about this yet. 534 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned it in uh as I was 535 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: reading something from an article, but we didn't talk about it. 536 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Something that millennials were the guinea pigs of something that 537 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: deserves a space in this chat for sure, and that 538 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: is social freaking media. Think about what people tend to 539 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: post on social media, right, it's mostly the fun, exciting things. 540 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: No one really gets envious of someone posting about being 541 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: in the office till two am. I mean, somebody may 542 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: do it. We've probably all posted a picture of some 543 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: like bid for sympathy in regard to being overworked and 544 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: overtired or something like that. But that's not what we 545 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: look at and what we want and we see when 546 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: we get envious of. It's when we see the highlight reels. 547 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: And Peterson also says in the same essay one thing 548 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: that makes that realization, and she's talking about the lack 549 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: of the promise that I just mentioned earlier about what 550 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: jobs and work and all that would be. One of 551 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: the things that makes that realization sting even more is 552 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: watching others live there seemingly cool, passionate, worthwhile lives online. 553 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: We all know what we see on Facebook or Instagram 554 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: isn't real, but that doesn't mean we don't judge ourselves 555 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: against it. I find that millennials are far less jealous 556 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: of objects or belongings on social media then the holistic 557 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: experiences represented there the sort of thing that prompts people 558 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: to comment, I want your life. That enviable mix of 559 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: leisure and travel, the accumulation of pets and children, the 560 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: landscapes inhabited, and the food consumed seems not just desirable, 561 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: but balanced, satisfied and unafflicted by burnout. And though work 562 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: itself is rarely pictured, it's always there periodically. It's photographed 563 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: as a space that's fun, zany and always rewarding and gratified. 564 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: But most of the time it's the thing you're getting 565 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: away from. You worked hard enough to enjoy your life. 566 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: The social media feed and Instagram in particular, is thus 567 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: evidence of fruits of hard rewarding labor and labor itself. 568 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: The photos and videos that induce the most jealousy are 569 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: those that suggest that a perfect equilibrium work hard, play 570 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: hard has been reached, but of course for most of us, 571 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: it hasn't. Posting on social media, after all, is a 572 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: means of narrativizing our own lives. What we're telling ourselves 573 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: our lives look like, and when we don't feel the 574 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: satisfaction that we've been told we should receive from a 575 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: good job that's fulfilling balance with a personal life that's 576 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: equally so, the best way to convince yourself you're feeling 577 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: it is to illustrate it for others. Back to cat talking. 578 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. This topic is one that's way 579 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: bigger than this podcast, way bigger than I can even 580 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: begin to tackle. And a lot of these things that 581 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm reading from these articles are like to me jaw 582 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: draw being, but they're like open for discussion. There's so 583 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: much discussion in this, and I'm not I'm just talking 584 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: to myself. So it feels like in this and me 585 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: talking about this, I can't tackle this issue on my own, 586 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: but what I have felt has been so powerful while 587 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: reading these two articles was the level of understanding I 588 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: began to feel like, especially that last one about the 589 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: work and the social media and how we illustrate our 590 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: lives and how yeah, I've talked about that, and how 591 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: we judge people's lives and how we know about the 592 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: highlight reel and but things are more calculated than we 593 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: even know that they are calculated. It's like this unconscious calculation, 594 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: which maybe that doesn't even make sense, but right now 595 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. And I even texted my 596 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: best friend group chat as I was reading the first article, 597 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: called why are young people Pretending to Love Work? I 598 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: texted them and I said, I have never felt more 599 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: understood in my life and sent them the article. And 600 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: while maybe that was an exaggeration, there is a level 601 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: of hope in the understanding I felt, and I really 602 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: want to drive that home. It's exhausting to hear over 603 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: and over about how much your generation sucks, and at 604 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: the same time, it's like people are saying that the 605 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: way we got to this like suck nous that we 606 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: are has been on our own, like we did it, 607 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: And oh my gosh, the shame that's involved in all 608 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: of that, not just the frustration and the anger so 609 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: in that I want to read one more excerpt from 610 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: Peterson's essay because the level of exhale I let out 611 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: after this part was like off the charts, and it 612 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: goes into and speaks into this like misunderstanding that I 613 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: really feel as a millennial. And this is what she says. 614 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: Even the trends millennials have popularized, like at leisure speak 615 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: to our self optimization. Yoga pants might look sloppy to 616 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: your mom, but they're efficient. You can transition seamlessly to 617 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: an exercise class, to a skype meeting to a child 618 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: pick up. We use frush Direct and Amazon because the 619 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: time they save allow us to do more work. That 620 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: is why the fundamental criticism of millennials that were lazy 621 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: and entitled is so frustrating. We hustle so hard that 622 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: we figured out how to avoid wasting time eating meals, 623 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: and are called entitled for asking for a fair compensation 624 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: and benefits, like working remotely so we can live in 625 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: affordable cities, adequate healthcare, or four oh one case so 626 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: we can theoretically stop working at some point before the 627 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: day we die. We're called whiny for talking frankly about 628 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: just how much work we have to do or how 629 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: exhausted we are by it. But because over working for 630 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: less money isn't always visible, because job hunting now means 631 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: trawling LinkedIn, because over time now means replying to emails 632 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: in bed, the extent of our labor is often ignored 633 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: or degraded, and the passion in my body right now 634 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: is palpable. Because millennials aren't a bunch of entitled assholes 635 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: who don't want to do anything. And we also aren't 636 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of nose in the ground jackhammers who will 637 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: reach for the stars, who matter what gets in the way. 638 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: We aren't lazy, and we aren't machines were humans, and 639 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: we are realizing that also, not all of us are equal. 640 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: So that being said, maybe some of us are lazier, 641 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: maybe some of us are entitled, or I don't know. 642 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: There's room for so much space and differences and nuance 643 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: in that, But as a whole, I don't think we 644 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: fit those narratives. I also found this to be very 645 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: interesting in Peterson's article where she talks about a social psychologist, 646 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: Devin Price, who was writing about homelessness, and he said 647 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: that laziness at least in the way that most of 648 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: us generally understand. It simply does not exist. He's quoted saying, 649 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: if a person's behavior doesn't make sense to you, it's 650 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: because you are missing a part of their context. It's 651 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: that simple, and to me, that's very powerful. I think 652 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: that links me back to the questions we are asking 653 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: ourselves to cope with the burnout epidemic, or the laziness 654 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: epidemic as some may say, or some may call it. 655 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: There's so much context missing, the context on how we 656 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: got to this point. And you know, this isn't a 657 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: simple solution. There isn't a simple solution here. And that's 658 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: where I was going when I was like, i gotta 659 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: scroll to the bottom of this article. I've got to 660 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: figure out what the solution is here. What do we 661 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: do to solve this problem. It's a huge, systemic thing 662 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: that quite frankly overwhelms me, just like returning my online orders. 663 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: But I do know that continuing to fuel this system 664 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: that is flawed isn't going to help. Creating new mantras 665 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,959 Speaker 1: that cover up how we feel isn't going to work. 666 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: Manipulating cohorts of people to overwork themselves with the promise 667 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: of lifelong fulfillment pushes us to burn out. And when 668 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: people start seeing the cracks in the walls, it's not 669 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: laziness that develops. It's frustration. It's confusion, and it's an 670 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: inability to cope, not because we're dumb, but because we 671 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: haven't been taught what to do here. And in the 672 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: words of Shaun an Equist, who we love here, we 673 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: just haven't learned the stuff yet. Peterson said towards the 674 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: end of her essay that our capacity to burn out 675 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: and keep working as our greatest value right now. And 676 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: I loved reading that as much as I hated it, 677 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: because that is where I see an obvious and necessary 678 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: opening for change. And to be very frank, right now, 679 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for what's next. I don't 680 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: know what to do. I don't have action steps. So 681 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: if you fast forward to the end of this looking 682 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: for the same thing I was looking for in these articles, 683 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: you're going to be disappointed. But what I also know 684 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: is that awareness is always the first step. So here's 685 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: that here's some awareness to something that's been really confusing 686 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: and really frustrating for a long time for me. So 687 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: if you feel like you've been sitting in this place 688 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: of like, hustle culture is frustrating, nobody wants to work. 689 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm a millennial, and I just feel like people who 690 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: have been shifting on me all the time in my generation, 691 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: and or I'm not a millennial and I'm in a 692 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: different generation, and I'm confused by what is going on 693 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: in this generation. Hopefully this has begun to like open 694 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: up some eyes, and hopefully it's been as helpful in 695 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: the sense of an understanding as it has been for me. 696 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: I highly highly suggest you read these two articles, because 697 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: I dedicate this whole episode to those articles that would 698 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: not exist this way if I didn't have them, because 699 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: half of me was reading stuff from them. I really 700 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: do recommend reading them. They are kind of long, so 701 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: just be aware. I just took chunks out, and I 702 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: recommend sharing this with people, and I recommend having conversations 703 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: and talking about it. And when people say, like nobody 704 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: wants to work, and when people say everybody's lazy, and 705 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: when people say to get where you want to go, 706 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: you just have to freaking hustle, maybe don't put a 707 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: period on that. Maybe start to get curious about why 708 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: that is. Because if we don't like our circumstances. If 709 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: we don't get curious, they're just gonna stay this way. 710 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: So here's some awareness for you all. I hope this 711 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: was helpful, and in that I hope that you guys 712 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: continue to have the day that you need to have, 713 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: the week you need to have, the month, a year that, 714 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: whatever it is. And if you have any questions or feedback, 715 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: if there were any lightbulbs that went off in your 716 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: head as you listen to this, share them with me. 717 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: You can email me Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast 718 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: dot com. I would love to hear from you and 719 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: create a dialogue and that way, so have the day 720 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: I need to have. I will be back on Wednesday 721 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: for couch Talks. Bye,