1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the most recent episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: John Smoke with you. Today's guest, NFL analyst Charles Davis. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. One reminds you if 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: you want to find the Giant Subtle Podcast, it's on 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: the Giants Mobile app, all your favorite podcast platforms, and 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: of course on giants dot com slash podcast. Now let's 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: get to our guest. We're joined by Charles Davis. He 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: has covered the NFL for a very long time. You 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: see him on your Sunday's calling NFL games. He's on 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Serious XM and you can find his most recent mock 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: draft on NFL dot com. Charles, we appreciate the time. 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: Hope everybody in your world is healthy and well in 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: these very very unique times in America. Yeah, thank you 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: so much for having me, and we are all healthy 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: and well. Fortunately we don't take it out for granted, 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: and we certainly hope the same for you and yours 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: and for everyone who's watching this, the same thing for them. 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: And how about those first responders. We can never ever 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: give them enough props and thank them enough. They're literally 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: putting their lives on the line for all of us 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: each and every day, literally and absolutely, and all the 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: MTA workers, everybody that's working at the gullcery store, all 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: those guys out there that are letting us live our lives. Certainly, 25 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: thank you very much, But Charles, luckily, we're blessed. What 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: we could talk about. Some of the fun stuff here 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: in the entire sports world will be focused on the 28 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: NFL Draft coming up next weekend Thursday, Friday, and Saturday's 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. And the Giants, I think, 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: have a really interesting choice at number four. And the 31 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: dilemma that we've been disclosing a lot on Giants dot 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Com and our Giant shows is do you pick who 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: most people have great as the highest great defensive player 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: that might be on the board in Isaiah Simmons, or 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: do you go with the position like offensive tackle when 36 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: it comes to team building and helping your franchise quarterback 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: and filling a need might be a more position that's 38 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: more desired. That's what a heck of a dilemma for 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: coach Dave Gentleman is the GM and the rest of 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: the Giants brass Right and Coach geentleman's gonna have the 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: final call on that and decide what to do. On 42 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: one hand, you would say, you really can't go wrong. 43 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: You get the most versable defense during the draft in 44 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, or you get an offensive tackle, which I 45 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: would believe that would be the choice there to protect 46 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback that you drafted the year before and 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: had everyone going absolutely bonkers from the moment you called 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: his name. As it turned out, a lot of the 49 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: people that were given grief or also saying okay, I 50 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: see it, now got it, evel because there was a 51 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: lot to like about Daniel Jones rookie year. So that's 52 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: where the dilemma breaks down. And the funny part is 53 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: if you were trying to decide between the offensive tackle 54 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: or let's say you needed a big time receiver in 55 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: this draft, I think your tiebreaker would be I can 56 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: get a receiver almost any time because it's so loaded. 57 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: But when you're talking about the best, maybe the best 58 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: defender overall versatile defender on the other side, because Chase 59 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: Young is the highest rated defender the defense, we don't 60 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: expect him to be there and be available. We think 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: he'll be gone by Washington at the very least, Detroit 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: at three and unless there's a trade. So you're saying, Okay, 63 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: what do I do? So this is how I look 64 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: at it. One, I've spent the draft capital on my 65 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: quarterback last year. I've got to have him to have 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: taken care of. I've got to give him his best chance. 67 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: The flip side is, I grew up in New York State. 68 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I've read the lore of the New York Giants. The 69 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: DNA of this franchise is all about the defense. Okay, 70 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: you and I aren't old enough, but you've heard the 71 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: stories about the great Giant defenders in the fifties and 72 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: the sixties when they went out on the town and 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: went to touch shores. Who got the best tables? The 74 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: guys playing right, they got the tables. When the crowd 75 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: went to Yankee Stadium and and chanting for the team, 76 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: what did they chant? Defense? Right? That's who they are. 77 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: Lt Maybe it's a celebrated a player where the franchises 78 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: there's ever been the defenders are. It's all the way 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: through the Giants, their championships, their teams. But in this case, 80 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: that capital will spent out a quarterback. I'm thinking that 81 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: if they keep the pick and don't trade down, one 82 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: of those tackles is going to be the call. See 83 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But now it gets hard because there are four really 84 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: good tackles and it doesn't see me much a consensus 85 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: on which one is the best. Charles, how do you 86 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: rate those four guys? Which one do you like the best? 87 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: When you take a look at their tam two hairs, 88 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: it's a hair's breath between all of them. So let 89 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: me just start with the two who have been right 90 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: tackles throughout their careers. All right. That's Tristan Worse from 91 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: Iowa and that's Jedrick Wills from Alabama. Both of them 92 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: have played on the right side. Now, you and I 93 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: both know that the game is changing to where you 94 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: just want really good tackles on both sides. And you 95 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: don't say, well, that's my run guy and this is 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: my past protector. You're expected to do both because a 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of the great pass rushers now are lining up 98 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: over the right tackle and trying to get to him, 99 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: so you better have a good pass protector there. Works. 100 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: Athleticism was off the charts at the combine. Wills is 101 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: great play throughout his time at Alabama. On display where 102 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: just beat up people. Then you go to the other two. 103 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas from Georgia, maybe the guy that you know 104 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: exactly what you're getting when you see him play, like, Okay, 105 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: I can plug him. I'll be fine right out of 106 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: the gate. Maybe the guy that some might say is 107 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: the most pro ready. And then there's McKay Beckton, the monster. Right. 108 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: So if you're saying Rob Barkley in pregame warm ups, 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: you want to run with him so you get used 110 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: to the ground, shaking it so you don't trip and 111 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: fall fall when you go. So Beckton is is that 112 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: type of a guy for me? Thinking about coach geentleman 113 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: who has told me since I was, you know, sixteen 114 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: years old, Charles, it's always gonna be a big man's game. 115 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: There's no one bigger than McKay Beckton. I mean, there's 116 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: just no getting around it. And he's athletic and agile. 117 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: But I think any one of those four fits to 118 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: build for what the Giants need. And I think all 119 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: four of them will will play as rookies from day 120 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: one at left tackle. Okay, if they go sending Charles, 121 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: which I think you know who knows, it could be 122 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: a positive and it wouldn't be a bad call either, 123 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: absolutely not. And he's a guy that did so many 124 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: things that Clemson deep safety, box safety, week side linebacker 125 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: or pass rusher, slot corner. Where do you see him 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: fitting long term? His best role to get the most 127 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: out of him in the NFL long term, I think 128 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: week side linebacker, the will as A lot of defenses 129 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: call it the running chase linebacker. We have those big 130 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: people up front, you know, and we'll see who it 131 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: turns out to be. But you know, think about last 132 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: year drafting the big kid out of Clemson, Lawrence and 133 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: then being able to know to have, um, what's it in? 134 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: B J? Hill is still around, right, So I mean 135 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: you've got monsters across the front. And let's not forget 136 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: didn't you make a trade during the season last year 137 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: and pick Williams? Hello, you know so so so let's 138 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: let's see how that plays out. But him protected able 139 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 1: to run and chase and make plays as big time. 140 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: But as he gains experience and his football i Q 141 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: comes to the front, your defensive coordinator gets a chance 142 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: to game plan with a guy that some weeks you 143 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: may have him wind up where he doesn't come up 144 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: the field. He plays nickel corner for you, depending on 145 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: who those receivers are. You may have him where he's 146 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: just truly a will. You may have him in some 147 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: defense where everyone else goes off the field and now 148 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: he roams in the middle. Like remember how Derek Brooks 149 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: used to run down the middle of fighting that Tampa two. 150 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: He could be outstanding doing that because he'll make him 151 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: play for your fort yards down field like a defensive back. 152 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: But all in all, I like him as an outside 153 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: linebacker long term in his career. There's a Thomas Davis 154 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: comparison coming out of Georgia, who was a safety outside 155 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: linebacker for those types of skills that works. Shack Thompson 156 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: coming out of the University of Washington with Carolina, same 157 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: type of of a makeup. But Derwin James with the Chargers. 158 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: I think he and Isaiah Simmons are parallel players. But 159 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: James is a safety. Simmons is an outside linebacker. To me, 160 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: you see maybe as a situational pass rusher, as a 161 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 1: bloef maybe on passing day. There's there's nothing he can't do. 162 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't. I'm not drafting him like an outside linebacker. 163 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: Just rushes the past. It This is gonna be one 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: of those deals where I've always told myself over the 165 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: years as I've gained some experience, and outside linebacker doesn't 166 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: rush the pastor well, I need to have a little 167 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: bit of skepticism about because I've been burned before. Aaron 168 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Curry come out of with wake Forest, Dion Jordan coming 169 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: out of Oregon. But in this situation, it was never 170 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: designed for him to be that type of a guy. 171 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: He's always been that Swiss army Knight for them. So 172 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a difference in how I rade 173 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons versus how I looked at Jordan, how I 174 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: looked at Aaron Curry and felt like I made a 175 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: mistake with both on that. Hey, look in the NFC East, 176 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: a lot of really good tight ends go back to 177 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: Jason Winn and the Eagles have a couple really good 178 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: tight ends zach Ertz and Ballas Goddard. He's someone that 179 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: could really try to limit those guys in their production. 180 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: If Jordan makes it back for Washington, you know, and 181 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: then you go right on down the line anyway, you're right, 182 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: absolutely right. So if they let's say they go Simmons 183 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: and four Charles and then they say, boy, really, we 184 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: still really want to help out this offensive line group. 185 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: You know, we did a reporter's mock draft on our 186 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: Giants Little podcast. There were seven offensive tackles and two 187 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: centers taken in the first thirty two picks. Yeah, what 188 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: do you think of that next group of tackles? The 189 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland's, the Isaiah Wilson's, the Austin Jackson's, the Josh 190 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Jones is What do you think of those guys? Are 191 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: they plug and place daughters? And will they be around 192 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: when the Giants pick at thirty six? Great question, and 193 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: there's a case to be made for all of them 194 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: being gone, because look, by time you get down to 195 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: let's say it's thirty with the Tennessee Titans, they need 196 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: a right tackle to plug into that big, strong offensive line. 197 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: So could they be in the market right there? What 198 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: if Josh Jones is somehow still available at thirty You know, 199 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: that seems to seems to fit what they would want 200 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: to do. You know, that's sort of a deal. What 201 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: if they like Ezra Cleveland at a boise stage and 202 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good player, and some people 203 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: see him as a combo guard and tackle. I like 204 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: him at tackle better than I like him at guard. 205 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: I think that I'm gonna play the game with you 206 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: that Josh Jones from Houston is gone, that Austin Jackson 207 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: from USC is gone, because we'll have a run on tackles. 208 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: But that first wave before then the next group kicks 209 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: in and people are going to want those guys. Would 210 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: Dallas try and plug and play a center again like 211 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: they did Travis Frederick a few years ago? And if so, 212 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: who would that center? Big? Right? Would it be Caesar 213 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: Ruiz from Michigan. Would it be Matt Hennessey from Temple, 214 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: my personal favorite Lloyd Cushionberry out at of l s U. 215 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: Could it be a guy like that? That could be 216 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: the surprise? So that next wave you mentioned Cleveland, Josh Jones, 217 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: We've mentioned there's a kid out of Yukon named Matt Perro. 218 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: RIGHTTI boys picked thirty six? Right, you don't mind him 219 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: getting off the bus first, right? I mean, he body 220 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: beautiful and I think he's a guy that goes about 221 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: doing the job really really well. So he'd be a 222 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: guy that I take a look at. Prince Tega Winaga 223 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: from from Auburn, kind of got lost in the shuffle 224 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,119 Speaker 1: because of the injury. Really didn't compete at the combine. 225 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: We didn't see him in the postseason. But he's learning 226 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: how to play right. He came over, I believe from Kenyan. 227 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out, Okay, what do we have. 228 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: We got a tremendous album me he was a sophomore 229 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: in high school before you ever put out football pass. 230 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of football out in front of him. 231 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: And if we get past thirty six and you get 232 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: deeper into the draft, there's a kid who went to 233 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: you Mass who transferred to Auburn by name of Jack Driscoll. 234 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: But I think it's as steady as they come, and 235 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't like him at thirty six, I think that 236 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: might be too early. But down the road, if you 237 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: get deeper into the draft, a really dependable guy, you 238 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you just go this Driscoll kid 239 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: can fly out platte. I think he'd be someone that 240 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe you know, could plug in there and it helped 241 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: fortify the offensive line. Dave Gentlman has also mentioned Charles 242 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: that center could be a priority. You mentioned a few 243 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: of them in your last answer your thoughts on the 244 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: center class. Is there gonna be a guy worth the 245 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: bank for the bucket thirty six or is that better 246 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: explored in that one ten range when the Giants selecting 247 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: the third and fourth rounds. I think what we've discovered 248 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: in this draft, and and not just this one, but 249 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: in in in recent years, if there's a guy you 250 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: for your teamm bear, just go get him. You know 251 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: that whole thing up? Is he worth there? Here? Can 252 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: I wait and get him later? If you really like him, 253 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: go get him. I think there are a few we 254 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: mentioned a few of those guys that I think that 255 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: would be in play. Ruise is definitely in play as 256 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: a first round guy. I think Cushion Berry from from 257 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: LSU should be in play as a first round guy, 258 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: but he's not getting out of the second round. I 259 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: don't believe. I think that Matt Hennessey from Temple, that's 260 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: a tough, hard nosed, gritty, heavy type of a player. 261 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna be another one that's gonna be in play there. 262 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: So there are plenty of guys there that we could 263 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: talk about at the center position. But I'm gonna tell 264 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: you down the road, you can all often find them 265 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: as well. And what I mean by that is, think 266 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: of the guys we've seen in this league that weren't 267 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: first or second round. Guys were holding down to pivot 268 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: for their current teams. Right. One of the guys comes 269 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: to mind immediately as a team to play for Nancy 270 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: Championship with Corey Lindsley came out of the Ohio State. 271 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: Is the seventh round guy. I don't know the package 272 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: of getting him out of the line up since remember 273 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: uh Jeff, but as a vote on who came out 274 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: in North Carolina a few years ago started for the 275 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Bengals for about five years. He was like a fourth 276 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: or fifth round pick. So there will be guys available 277 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: and my guy later round. So I think it's going 278 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: to be a guy that's gonna start earlier than what 279 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: people think. Is Dara Williams in Mississippi State. I saw 280 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: him in the East West and I was just really 281 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: captivated by what I saw. I think he could be 282 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: a starting center as a rookie in the NFL. But 283 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: what you're hearing, Charles, how much interest do you think 284 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,359 Speaker 1: there's going to be at the top of this quarterback 285 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: class on don't you get past Joe Burrow number one, 286 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: where there's going to be some interest where a team 287 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: like the Chargers, like the Dolphins, really wants one guy 288 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: and it's gonna go give you some draft capital to 289 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: trade up with the Giants at four or even the 290 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: Lions at three. Yeah, I think there's gonna be some 291 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: interest there. We go through it each and every year. 292 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: If there's one lesson we should all keep in mind. 293 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: Remember the Bears going from three to two to get 294 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: Mentchell Trabinsky, when most of us thought, why would you 295 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: even have to go there? The same citizens not gonna 296 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: take him at two, but San Francisco convinced them enough 297 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: that there was interest in their pick that they better 298 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: go get their guy, and that's how they came up there. 299 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're Washington, if you're Detroit, I'm making 300 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: every noise I possibly can. I know that coach Getleman 301 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: has said that he is, you know, open for business 302 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: at four when he hasn't really gotten off of that 303 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: pick right when, when he's always pretty much stuck and 304 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: picked in that spot. But he's smart. He understands with 305 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: this quarterback market, if someone wants a certain guy, whether 306 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: it's to or whether it's justin Herbert. I don't know 307 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: that it's Jordan's love, but hey, it could be. You 308 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: never know, because like Borders went number three in the 309 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: draft when he came out, so you never know who 310 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: people are going to like. Yeah, and now think about that, 311 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: you just moved from Ford or whatever, and coach Getlman 312 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: is not going to get out of range of getting 313 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: someone that he really wants. So if you're coming for 314 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: that fourth pick and he decides to move down, it's 315 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: gonna be in a slot that fits where he's either 316 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: gonna get one of those tw acles that he wants, 317 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: or maybe he's not gonna lose Isaiah Simmons or whoever 318 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: it is his highest on his draft board. He's gonna 319 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: make sure he gets what he wants in order to 320 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: give up that quarterback slot. Charles I mentioned earlier. The 321 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: giants next two picks after their first two rounds are 322 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: A ninety nine in one ten. So there's a big 323 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: gap there, thirty six and nine. There's almost two full 324 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: rounds worth the players that are gonna go off the board. 325 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: It's a long wait. So I think two positions. I 326 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: think at your take on him, I'll start with the 327 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver class, which is very deep. The Giants have 328 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that can play slot inside Darius 329 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: Slayton as good as a rookie, but they don't have 330 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: that big, imposing, physical, skyscraper contested catch red zone type guy. 331 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Is there someone in ninety nine or one ten that 332 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: you think might be hanging around there still that could 333 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: fill that role for Big Blue. I'm gonna give you 334 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: one name that that that comes with it a little 335 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: bit of m How come he wasn't better in college? 336 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: Not have been people's jones from Michigan, Big strong, physical, 337 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: good look at athlete, and he wondered, why wasn't there 338 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: more there? What is going on? I guarantee every team 339 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: is doing their homework on that because he looks like 340 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: he should be a day to early selection. He should 341 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: be in that mix with all those other great wide receivers, 342 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: but production has never quite been there, even though he 343 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: sure looks the part and he tested well at the combine. 344 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: Another guy that I think you could look at later. 345 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: Let's stay in state and go to Syracuse to get 346 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: Christian Jackson, another guy that can go on the outside. 347 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Think about how great a job Darius Slayton did for 348 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: you last year, right, this would be another guy that 349 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: would fall into that type of range, that could be 350 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: that type of a player for the outside the numbers 351 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: type of a receiver and outside cornerback school early, but 352 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times really trying. I don't know why. 353 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: I feel like these slock cornerbacks dropping the draft sometimes 354 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: and I don't get it because they're on the field 355 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: for of the snaps now and sometimes the best receiver 356 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: lines up inside. So other guys that can play slot, 357 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: who do you like that could be there in that 358 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: round three, round four pick area. So I actually had 359 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: a man crush at the Senior Bowl this year with 360 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: a kid. I thought it was spicy, gritty, and I 361 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: thought it would be a Day three guy rounds four 362 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: through seven, but I thought he could play and he 363 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: might even get pushed up if there's a big wide 364 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: receiver run and you need to combat it. And as 365 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: Dane Jackson from pitt Okay, remember Vante Maddox with the 366 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Eagles came out of pit. So they're doing something right there. 367 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: And I know Patton Ardoozy, the head coach, plays a 368 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: lot of press man, a lot of quarters coverage, a 369 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: lot of these very big pressure package and puts his 370 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: guys out there to cover people. Jackson was like that 371 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: all week, very sticky in coverage at the Senior Bowl 372 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: and very used to being an inside guy and playing 373 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: with all that traffic there. Will not come up in 374 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: the first, you know, first wave of guys that you 375 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: talk about. I'd be I take a hard look at 376 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: Dane Jackson at pit as a possibility down the road 377 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: to be that inside guy john as you had to 378 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: Julian Love last year. He's playing corner and safety. I 379 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: think Troll Burgess is a similar player this year all 380 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: over the field. He can play. Both your thoughts on 381 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: Burgess and will he get to nine? I'm not sure 382 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: he will. Yeah, I think you're right a about that, 383 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: And and and I think everything that you said about 384 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: him is is appropriate. Plus will tackle, you know. And 385 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: and one thing you gotta remember with that Utah program, 386 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about maybe eight guys from Utah getting drafted here, 387 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: including all four in the secondary. Think about that Burgess 388 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: coming out, black Man's coming out, Jalen Johnson. You know, 389 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: the corner is going to be coming out. Javelin Giddrey, 390 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: their nickelback will be coming out He's another small, feisty 391 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: guy that could go into the slot and flag. They 392 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: used him like a linebacker and a lot of their 393 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: defenses they had to learn how to tackle. He did 394 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: that pretty well too. Willie Gay is interesting. He's a 395 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: guy that hasn't played a lot injury, put up great 396 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: numbers him. Besides him, you can talk about him to 397 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: any other like really speedy linebackers that you think could 398 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: develop some of that coverage ability that might be available 399 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: in the day two start to day three. I would 400 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: be interested to see what people are gonna do with 401 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Khalicki Hudson out of out of Michigan. Are they gonna 402 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: make him a linebacker? They're gonna make him a safety 403 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: because the way of people are playing nowadays. He's kind 404 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: of had that hybrid in him and be able to 405 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: do those sorts of things. Um, you know Dre Greenlaw 406 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: who came out and played so well for San Francisco 407 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: last year. He started his career as a safety in Arkansas. 408 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: So we're seeing a lot of those conversion type guys 409 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: that can do it. Gay can flat out go. His 410 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: problem has been he's never been on the field. It's 411 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: either been an injury, or he's been suspended or something's 412 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: going on. But you remember he missed what the first 413 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: six games of the year, and his first game he 414 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: gets to pick six. That's the type of ability that 415 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: flashes and people look at. Obviously, coach Gettleman and his 416 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: staff have to evaluate the off field for a guy 417 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: like Gay, but his speed is it's is outstanding, exactly 418 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: what you're looking for, Charles. Guys in these you know, 419 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: preseason post draft process tend to move up and down. 420 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel that still the case this year, given 421 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: there hasn't been pro days or do you think boards 422 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: are right now a little bit more static? But if 423 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: there are guys that are moving up or down, what 424 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: are some of the names you're hearing? Yeah, I think 425 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: it's more static because we're not talking about it. You know, 426 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: we've move guys up and down. You guys like you 427 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: and me, we're talking about like crazy. I think the 428 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: draft people tell us that we had our board, so 429 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: we know what we're doing. You guys are just now 430 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: catching up to certain people. But how about some guys 431 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: who I think you're either moving up or people that 432 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: we should be talking about. And Tonio Gibson, the running 433 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: back from h to State. I think is terrific and 434 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: absolutely dark. Lot people think he's a wide receiver. He's 435 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: touring twenty plus pounds. We saw him at the senior ball. 436 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: I think he's a running back who can catch the 437 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: ball at the back field. Be a perfect complimentary back 438 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: for someone. There's a guy who stopped watch is not good, 439 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: whose testing isn't the greatest, but the end of the game, 440 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: he had fifteen tackles every time as Evan Weaver from 441 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: cow An inside linebacker. If you're playing in a division 442 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: heavy running the whole thing, he might fit what you're 443 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: looking for. I think a Reggie Robinson from Tulsa as 444 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: a corner is a guy that I like a bunch. 445 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: I think Harrison Hand from Temple another corner I like. 446 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: And then a kid whose motor just won't stop a 447 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: defensive in former walk on Kenny Willikins from Michigan State. 448 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: I think he's d of going under the radar a 449 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: little bit. I already mentioned Cushion Barry. You know I've 450 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: got a crush on cush Um Darnay Holmes, another nickelback 451 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: that you could go inside and get where he's going 452 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: to go. I'm not sure, but I thought he's a 453 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: guy that was really had great Senior Bowl practice. He 454 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: may be one of those risers. Kendall Builder, a corner 455 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: from Georgia Southern. I thought that he played really well 456 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: against the bigger competition that he's off. Bryce Hall is 457 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: a guy that we've lost track of, a corner out 458 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: of Virginia because of the injury last year. All right, 459 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: if he had come out here before, we're talking about 460 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: I possibly in the first our second round pick. He 461 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: may be a steel if he's fully healthy. And there's 462 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: a defensive tack from Ohio State we saw at the 463 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Senior Ball that thought was pretty darn good and Devon 464 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: Hamilton's kind of got overlooked that you don't see him 465 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: in the top five of the defensive tackle grouping. But 466 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty darn good player. You can 467 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: get him a little bit later on, and I think 468 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: he'd be very nice in the middle of your defense. Souse. 469 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: Everyone that does this have that has that one guy 470 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: that maybe not everyone else is high end, but you 471 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: just love and he's like your pet and you can't 472 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: get enough of walking in. Who's your favorite sleeper that's 473 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: kind of your guy on day three of this draft. 474 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm oh boy day three by telling we get to 475 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: day three. The guys that I love the most, I 476 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: don't think they're getting to day three. And that's an 477 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: It's in the corner from from Louisiana Tech, great ball hawk. 478 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I think he could be a nickel guy that could 479 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: go inside. You can go get him. Fourteen picks, forty 480 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: eight passes broken up in three years. And a guy 481 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: that I think is sliding. Perhaps that's a first round 482 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: talent that maybe out of the first round. That's the 483 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: receiver Leabisca Chenault from from Colorado because of injury. He 484 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: had the core injury at the combine. But when you 485 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: watch him, to me, he's Deebo Samuel all right, same compact, 486 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: build the catch, you know, run after the catch like 487 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: a running back, the whole deal. And there's another corner 488 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: from Louisiana Tech who might be a third day guy, 489 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: Lagarius Sneed. Louisiana Tech is gonna give you some defensive 490 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: backs this year. Keep an eye out for Lagarius Sneed 491 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: for a guy that could be a third day guy 492 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: that that thing is gonna be a pretty dark, a 493 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: good player. I already mentioned Darryl william from Mississippi State. 494 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna be my third day guy that I think 495 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: is gonna be a starter in this league. John's final question, 496 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: is there something that you're not sure about right now 497 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: with this draft, whether it's at the top or bottom. 498 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: How teams going to approach to the trade that you're 499 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: just not sure about right now that you can't wait 500 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: until draft night to see and figure out what happens. Yeah, 501 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: I just want to see if because we couldn't do 502 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: all of the homework on players, you know, as extensive 503 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: as it normally is. Will people who are making the 504 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: picks when it comes time to pick between Ohio State 505 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: and St. John's of Minnesota, are they gonna tend to 506 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: fall on Ohio State? You know what I mean? Because 507 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna try and hit everything solid now. And let's 508 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: face it, when you miss on a pick and you're 509 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: a GM, it's a heck of a lot easier to 510 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: defend missing on the kid from a big school than 511 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: is if you took a small school guy a little 512 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: bit higher than what people think and he doesn't work out. 513 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: So if just playing those types of games, we'll see 514 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: the other parties. You'll probably have more complete, you know, 515 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: information on the bigger school guys because you've been tracking 516 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: them for longer. You know, a lot of guys couldn't 517 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: get in and see all the small schools that they 518 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,239 Speaker 1: normally would this year. So maybe a lot of that 519 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: gets pushed up to the front and we may get 520 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: some guys who might have gotten drafted previous years ended 521 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: up being priority free agents in this one because again 522 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: we might not get into that school and being able 523 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: to do all the homework on them. Charles, awesome stuff, 524 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: my friend. Stay safe up. They will really appreciate the time. 525 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: We love your work and we look forward to seeing 526 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: more of it in the new Bock draft. The final 527 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: one will be hitting the NFL dot com the week 528 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: of the drift. Make sure you guys check it out. Charles, 529 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Stay safe, 530 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: Take care of yourself. That's Charles Davis. You. Thank you 531 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Giant Subtle podcast on Giants 532 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: dot com, on the Giants Mobile app, and on all 533 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms. If you're on Apple Podcast, please 534 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: leave a five star positive review if you like what 535 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: you hear. Thanks you for being with us. We'll see 536 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: you next time on the gihnt Tubtle Podcast