1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: I've never told to your protection of iHeart Radio. Yes, 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: and welcome to another edition of Monday Mini. And we 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: are going to go ahead and time stamp this because 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: this is current events in the US. But today is 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: September twenty nine, and this week has been fairly significant 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: as the recent trial for R. Kelly, or actually Robert 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Sylvester Kelly has been happening. So we go ahead and 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: put this here. Content warning, trigger warning. We're not gonna 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: go to in depth on details specifically with the victims 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: and or any of the acts being alleged, but there 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: is some conversations about sexual violence, kidnapping, abuse, manipulation, so 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: many things that are toxic and vile pertaining to R. Kelly. 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: So if this is not something you want to hear today, understand, 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: go ahead and flip it off and come back. Although 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: right now there's a little bit of good news, so yes, 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: this miss caveat there. Yes, um, so for those of 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: you who somehow we're able to avoid the atricious things 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: that Kelly has been accused of and recently convicted for, 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: We're going to do a quick review, right so he's 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: become one of the most talked about predators to date. 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: And even though rumors have swirled around him for a 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: very long time, especially after what I would call odd 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: relationships because nothing was confirmed, even though we all assumed 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: and it turned out to be correct, that he had 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: with Aliyah Um Yeah again, it was later confirmed that 27 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: he did get married to her. They forged her age, 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: they forged her I d And that he went and 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: pretty much paid off a bunch of people to get 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: this done, and that he did it possibly because she 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: was pregnant at the time and by the way, that 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: would mean that she was under the age of fifty 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: when all that happened. Just put that there, and it 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: wasn't until recently he was arrested with charges of sex 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: trafficking and racketeering. Many victims have alleged severe forms of abuse, manipulation, 36 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: sexual assault, controlling tactics, and even being forced to write 37 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: letters that he used against them if they tried to 38 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: leave are good away from him. And if you have 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: been keeping up with the stories, you know that many 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: of the victims suffered intense trauma at the hands of 41 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: this man and his associates who have only enabled him 42 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: right um and Kelly was initially arrested in July twenty 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: nineteen and has been held for trial, which was delayed 44 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: due to the pandemic. Don't feel bad about that and 45 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: has arrested did not happen until after an investigative report 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: from BuzzFeed which followed the case of a one specific 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: girl whose parents desperately were seeking away to get her 48 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: out away from Kelly, who had a giant house here 49 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, as well as the very detailed documentary of 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: Surviving R. Kelly, which was on I Believe the Lifetime network, 51 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: and the six hour documentary looked at the different allegations 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: that had been around him for years, including several different 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: court cases which resulted in civil suits and payouts for 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: some of the victims. Kelly was charged for multiple offenses, 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: including eleven charges of sexual assault and abuse against a 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: minor aged thirteen and sixteen. The documents described quote sex 57 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: and oral sex with a minor by the use of 58 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: force or threat of force. And he has brought a 59 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: lot of controversy from so many including the fact he 60 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: tried to intimidate and harrass witnesses before the trial before 61 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: being arrested and tried to defend himself and one of 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: the most cringe worthy interviews with Gail King after the 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: documentary was released, right and he even released a new 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: song talking about how he kind of got away with 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: it um and then no one can touch him real stuff. 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: And throughout his trial, his lawyers have tried everything in 67 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: the victim blaming playbook, and by the way, right before 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: his trial, a couple of his representatives at that time resigned, 69 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: saying that he couldn't work with the other lawyers that 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: he had hired, so he had a kind of a 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: big switchover. And so the things that they actually tried 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: to use against a lot of the people who were 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: testifying into claiming that these victims were groupies who were 74 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: bitter that Kelly in the relationships, or that they were 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: trying to get money, or that they were just out 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: for fame. All sounds familiar. They also tried to paint 77 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: Kelly as the victim of rabid fans who tried to 78 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: take advantage of him. Always this giant flips, of course, 79 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: but I don't know if you've been following, and if 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: you have, many of the people that the defense tried 81 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: to put on stand to defend Kelly they've watched it 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: up pretty hard, contradicting themselves throughout their own testimony, so 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: it was kind of a mess. Uh, delightfully that they 84 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 1: were being called out quickly for their contradictions. And since 85 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the beginning of the trial, which started on August eighteen 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: this year, many witnesses have come forward to relay the 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: trauma and abuse inflicted on the victims, and if you 88 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: do go and see some of the testimony and some 89 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: of the reports, it's harrowing and heartbreaking. And to the 90 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: fact that he and his associates were depicted in organizing 91 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: to recruit and transport underage girls over state lines for 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: illegal sexual purposes, including the production of child sex abuse images, 93 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: as well as conspiracy to obstruct justice by destroying evidence 94 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: and bribing our threatening witnesses. He was charged with sex 95 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: trafficking and violating the Man Act, which makes it illegal 96 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: to transport anyone across state lines for any immoral purpose, 97 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: and on September, after nine hours of deliberation, Kelly was 98 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: convicted on all counts, and as victims watched to see 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: if justice would be served, many were able to breathe again. 100 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: Right Um and Jarhanda Pace, one of the brave women 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: who testified at his trial stated in an Instagram post 102 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: after the verdict was read, quote today, my voice was 103 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: heard for years. I was told for speaking out about 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: the abuse that I suffered at the hands of that predator. 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: People called me a liar and said I had no proof. 106 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: Some even said I'll speak me out for money. Speaking 107 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: about abuses not easy, especially when you're an abuser. Is 108 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: high profile and founders of the hashtag mute r Kelly, 109 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: who pushed organizations, record labels, radio stations, and concert venues 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: to drop R Kelly, also spoke out in regards to 111 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: the verdict. They said they hoped the verdict quote brings 112 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: some sense of justice to the brave survivors who came forward, 113 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: and creator or Nique Ordelay said right now, I'm so relieved. 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Um And she said that moments af their verdict and 115 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: went on, I am sure happiness and elation will follow. 116 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: This has been such a journey for me and Kennetta, 117 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: but most importantly for the women who have been asking 118 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: for justice for close to three decades. UM. He's also 119 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: facing charges in Illinois and Minnesota and will be back 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: for sentencing on May four. Right, so there's a lot 121 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: going on. And I don't know about you, Annie, but 122 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: when our Kelly's name comes up, there's so much controversy 123 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: and so many conversations. As in fact, over the weekend, 124 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: someone was playing a playlist off Spotify and it was 125 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: just one of those generic Spotify created lists, so you 126 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh, ninety said it's cool, and 127 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: our Kelly song came on and I got very like Adam, 128 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: really angry. I like, can you please turn this? And 129 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: they kind of were like shocked, and one person was like, oh, yeah, 130 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: it's bad, but man, this song is still rocks. And 131 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I was like, no, nothing about this makes me happy, 132 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: and even complimenting it and I know you're joking. It's 133 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: such a slap in the face for any victim. It 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: just made me very sad that he's getting that reaction, 135 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: that whole acceptance of yeah, but separate the artist. No, 136 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: that's both. He actually sung about being with younger women 137 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: and actually being completely uncontrolling over these women and really 138 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: saw that as a flex and it's so disgusting to 139 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: be in so many ways, but to have people defend him, 140 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: even to this day, with so much testimony and so 141 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: many similar stories like that's the part that blows my mind. 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: It's like this cannot okay once they're taught twice. I'll 143 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: give you a small percentage of maybe. But for these many, 144 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: this many stories, after years, years and years of victims 145 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: repeatedly coming out like come on, there's so many out 146 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: there that is unreal. And I'm really happy to see 147 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: that this justice has come about, especially after what how 148 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: already happened with Bill Cosby. And hopefully it'll stick um, 149 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that the two other states 150 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: will also be having trial with him soon. He's not 151 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: gonna be sentenced for several more months, so a very 152 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: least we know he's going to be just sitting there 153 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: at that point in time, So there's some justice to that, um. 154 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: And I hope that this gives some of the women 155 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: who have gone through so much. And actually there was 156 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: a couple of young men who had talked about he 157 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: had victimized them as well, But I hope this brings 158 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: them some type of relief and some type of healing 159 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: on this giant journey in order to get past all 160 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: of that trauma. Yes, for sure, and I'm sure we'll 161 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on this, revisiting in the future. 162 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: In the meantime, listeners, As always, we would love to 163 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: hear from you. If you would like to email us, 164 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: you can or email Stuff India mom Stuff at iHeart 165 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: media dot com. You can also find us on Twitter 166 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: at momstp podcast or an Instagram and Stuff I've Never 167 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Told You I thinks it's always you are. Super producer Christina, 168 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. 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