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Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. We're coming to
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Speaker 4: Sometimes we have guests, and today we have a big guest,
Speaker 4: Big guests.
Speaker 1: Big big guests, today, big episode. Yeah, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a thrill.
Speaker 2: I also, you know, so since last episode you did
Speaker 2: watch the got Meic Nikki Glazer videos, I'd like you
Speaker 2: to address.
Speaker 4: And I would and I would like to address the
Speaker 4: and stam corrected.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I literally was like, I'm sure it's just similar premises.
Speaker 4: But when I saw the side of my side, I
Speaker 4: was like, fuck, that's uh.
Speaker 1: That's really word for word, babe.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's shocking too, because god, Maic is like
Speaker 4: such a perfectionist and also pretty funny, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: could have thought of things on her own, so it's
Speaker 4: really it's really strange. But also I was talking to
Speaker 4: somebody about this and they were like, yeah, that's like TikTok.
Speaker 4: People kind of just are like, yeah, you can kind
Speaker 4: of just like take other things and like make them
Speaker 4: your own. Like it's sort of like a thing people
Speaker 4: think they can do now and it's like, no, you
Speaker 4: can't do that, not with my jokes.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think so like you can
Speaker 1: rip things.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I get what he's saying
Speaker 2: because all of us like there's a topic and then
Speaker 2: suddenly everyone's doing videos about.
Speaker 1: It, and it's like you didn't come up with it.
Speaker 1: Like I think about the.
Speaker 2: Christmas stocking a lot, and it is a valid thing,
Speaker 2: like all these moms don't No one fills up they're stalking, yes,
Speaker 2: but then all these videos of like if you don't
Speaker 2: fill up your stocking, it's like, but you didn't know
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: This isn't your idea, This isn't some big take.
Speaker 2: And right now I actually did get into the comments
Speaker 2: because I'm really annoyed with people right now being like and.
Speaker 1: I'm not tipping.
Speaker 4: If I'm it's like, oh that then don't tip, Like
Speaker 4: what are you doing? What are you doing? I don't
Speaker 4: understand it? Toxic tipping culture.
Speaker 2: No is an option, it's not. Yeah, if no wasn't
Speaker 2: an option, there's a conversation. I'm forced to tip. I'm
Speaker 2: living in a you know, a tip for.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: No is a button in an option. So what's the
Speaker 2: actual big deal? Yeah, people want your money, tell them no.
Speaker 2: People also call be like donate to this. You say no,
Speaker 2: it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's very true.
Speaker 2: I I do like Robbie Hoffman's bit about it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: She's just funny to me because she's like a Larry
Speaker 4: David character to me. So she's like, what is this?
Speaker 4: I got a they're giving me a number. I gotta
Speaker 4: bring it to my own like it was making me laugh.
Speaker 1: But that's just her. I agree. I am annoyed too.
Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't like that kind of service.
Speaker 2: It happens a lot in LA. I don't love it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love certain places. I have to fill up my
Speaker 2: own water cup? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Is that not catching on as much? In New York?
Speaker 2: I still hit it. I still hit the tips, So
Speaker 2: go fuck yourselves. No, the number thing is very LA.
Speaker 2: It's very that's very much yeah, I'm sorry. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's.
Speaker 4: What we're talking about is like you go up to
Speaker 4: a counter, you order, you take a number, they bring
Speaker 4: you your food, but you're expected to sort of you're
Speaker 4: sort of expected to still tip twenty percent even though
Speaker 4: you're not getting like continuous service, like you're literally just
Speaker 4: getting somebody dropping your meal at your table. And I
Speaker 4: think that's what people's issue is. But I was wondering
Speaker 4: if that had not like hit New York as hard.
Speaker 4: But it is very large. I'm sure it is.
Speaker 2: It's not like you know, I'm not I haven't gone
Speaker 2: all over that, but it's to me, it's an la thing,
Speaker 2: very common. Yes, yeah, just the but's if it's the
Speaker 2: culture of you know, the kind of lunches they're doing.
Speaker 2: I feel if you're gonna have lunch here, you're either
Speaker 2: somewhere fancy, like you're going to Chipriani or something, or
Speaker 2: you're going to pret You're going to pre sitting on
Speaker 2: a stair, So I know, I think it's just like
Speaker 2: a little different.
Speaker 1: Wow, you really like that one.
Speaker 4: I do like that you are going to pret and
Speaker 4: you're sitting on a museum step and you're trying to
Speaker 4: stop the birds from eating your food.
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Well, what else is going on with you besides talking culture?
Speaker 2: I did want to know, you know, about Rosie's zoo
Speaker 2: camp experience. But I had an animal encounter. Oh, and
Speaker 2: it's one of my favorite categories of animal encounter. But
Speaker 2: I was with some friends in a pool and we
Speaker 2: had snacks over there, and then I look up and
Speaker 2: I see a bird with a potato chip in its
Speaker 2: mouth flying and.
Speaker 1: It kept going out on a ship hustle.
Speaker 2: I love an animal with food in its mouth that
Speaker 2: it stole from humans, like It's one of my favorite things.
Speaker 2: So to see a bird flying with a chip really
Speaker 2: made me happy. But our friends were at Coney Island
Speaker 2: and one with the games won a giant seagull with
Speaker 2: a French fry in its mouth, which kind of reminds
Speaker 2: me of the drag Race UK challenge with the bag
Speaker 2: of chips and all the fries and like the wind.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm remembering that vaguely.
Speaker 2: Yes, listen, I was pretty jealous when I saw that
Speaker 2: he won that, but you know, stay tuned, I might
Speaker 2: win it too.
Speaker 1: I'm not bad at those games.
Speaker 4: I the birds also near the beach Coney Island stuff
Speaker 4: like that they are or like near the Santa Monicappier,
Speaker 4: they're ballsy, like they've swooped down and taken a full
Speaker 4: scoop of ice cream off my friend's cone once, like
Speaker 4: they're they don't give a fuck, They're just swooping.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: I also read read the Internet told me and I
Speaker 2: didn't even check a fact, but that pigeons used to
Speaker 2: be like dot like they were chip. They were our
Speaker 2: pets and did errands for people, like you know, the
Speaker 2: letters and stuff. Yes, and then one day we just went,
Speaker 2: you're the get out of here, you see flying rahet?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I don't I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting.
Speaker 4: I mean, Dennis Leary used to do this like bit
Speaker 4: that I liked and when I was like in middle
Speaker 4: school about like what's the process of like of Like
Speaker 4: he's like animals go up to like God or whatever
Speaker 4: and are like, what are you I do?
Speaker 1: I'm a seal.
Speaker 4: I do cute little human like tricks with my hands.
Speaker 4: You can go, And then it's like, what are you
Speaker 4: a cow? Get on the fucking truck, Like we just
Speaker 4: decide what animals were gonna eat and treat like shit,
Speaker 4: and then what animals are like too cute? I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: Rosie is obsessed with the axel Lottle. We talked about
Speaker 4: it this morning at length.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's funny.
Speaker 4: She wants to get one. She's like, can we get one?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't, are they a pet? I don't
Speaker 4: know if they're pets. I think they are. I think
Speaker 4: some of our listeners have told us they have pet
Speaker 4: axel Lottle since we brought it up.
Speaker 1: I think that hand.
Speaker 2: I mean, the day that you crack and get a pet,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be you know, inevitable, but you know that's
Speaker 2: that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 4: I am sort of warming up to the dog idea,
Speaker 4: but I have to work on Jared. I just finished
Speaker 4: a book yesterday. It's sorry this is totally off topic,
Speaker 4: but I have famously been barely reading since I had children,
Speaker 4: and I did finish a book that I really loved
Speaker 4: called Educated.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of it, but.
Speaker 4: It's like this girl grows up in like a fundamentalist
Speaker 4: Mormon family off the grid, like not only are they Mormon,
Speaker 4: but like it's not fundamentalist, Like there's not it's not polygamy,
Speaker 4: but it's like no hospitals, nothing with the government, didn't
Speaker 4: send any of them to school. And this girl like
Speaker 4: is the youngest of the family and it's just like
Speaker 4: her life and like her pursuit of education, and it's
Speaker 4: it was fascinating, Like I loved it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really great. It came out in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not new on this book, but and I
Speaker 4: think it won a lot of prizes and shit, but
Speaker 4: really really fascinating stuff and like misogyny, you know, like
Speaker 4: pumped through it. It's like some of the kids could
Speaker 4: most of the kids didn't go to school ever, but
Speaker 4: like the dad would be like, your brother has to
Speaker 4: go to school. He's a genius. We got to get
Speaker 4: him into college. And it's like your daughter is like
Speaker 4: a full genius as well. Like it's like they just
Speaker 4: want her in the kitchen making sandwiches, and like, you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of obviously.
Speaker 2: This is reminding me. I'm just you know, the movie.
Speaker 2: Games are just rushing through my head at all times.
Speaker 2: And Strands made it out of beta, by the way,
Speaker 2: Wow wow, Frands on the New York Times Games it's
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 4: Beta it's a game. They picked it, and this is
Speaker 4: a day for us. I'm excited we have I feel
Speaker 4: like we have something to do with that. We've been
Speaker 4: we've been yelling about strands to the rooftop.
Speaker 2: Actually it was out last weekend and at one point
Speaker 2: like it was a bigger group. And son, I hear
Speaker 2: a friend go, oh, she loves strands more than anyone.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I heard it from across the sidewalk, but I was
Speaker 2: just looking up.
Speaker 1: There's some show. Oh I had to watch.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what network, but I was reading
Speaker 2: about it, probably on Vulture. But it's like a dude
Speaker 2: that keeps his adult daughters under like in this kind
Speaker 2: of you know, regressed trapped situation. And yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a man and his three adult daughters and he's ruining
Speaker 2: their lives.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I gotta fucking watch this.
Speaker 2: And now I don't Maybe if I go through my
Speaker 2: history on the internet, I don't know if it's worth it.
Speaker 1: Can you you gotta talk while I do this?
Speaker 4: Okay, No, I'm trying to think, like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I have Well, I'll just tell you about Rosie
Speaker 4: Zoo Camp. She did go to a zoo camp and
Speaker 4: it was again one of the greatest weeks of her
Speaker 4: life this week year.
Speaker 1: This week she had friends.
Speaker 2: And dog Tooth. Dog Tooth? Is this from two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine. Oh, it's a it's a movie. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: a k what's his name? Your ghost Lanthemos Oh, a controlling,
Speaker 2: manipulative father locks his three adult offsprings in a state
Speaker 2: of perpetual childhood by keeping them prisoner.
Speaker 1: Then the sprawling family compound.
Speaker 4: Oh, and I think it might be Greek, right, I
Speaker 4: don't know. The actors all have Greek names.
Speaker 2: Casey is nodding, yeah, because Vulture did is do did a?
Speaker 2: You know, they do these lists of his movies in
Speaker 2: a row of the best to work, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I rate them and this was number one and I
Speaker 2: love the favorite, So I really got to watch this
Speaker 2: and his fucking name comes up in those games.
Speaker 4: I'm like interested though, if you're if you would like
Speaker 4: like other of his movies, like.
Speaker 1: I hated a lot. I started and adding My.
Speaker 4: Sacred Dear is like it made my skin crawl, Like
Speaker 4: there's some of his his movies are just like very
Speaker 4: all different.
Speaker 1: I feel like so different.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll hate it. It's worth a shot to not,
Speaker 2: you know, be productive in life. I'll find something to
Speaker 2: do and I guess I'll watch Dog tooth. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the lobster to me, I was crap. I was like,
Speaker 2: get me out of this hell misery. I don't think
Speaker 2: I even made it fifteen minutes. I really don't think so.
Speaker 4: Before I was well, I'm not keeping my dn confined
Speaker 4: in a compound. But I did keep Rosie confined in
Speaker 4: zoo camp for a week, and she fucking loved it.
Speaker 4: She saw three bat nurseries. She was obsessed with the
Speaker 4: I can't believe her luck. She said, there's a fox
Speaker 4: named Kara at the zoo. At the zoo, she was like, Mom,
Speaker 4: you won't believe this. There's a fox na Kara, And
Speaker 4: there's there is actually an orangutang named Rosie that we
Speaker 4: did meet the last time we all went to the zoo.
Speaker 1: So we're really we're.
Speaker 4: Really loving the zoo moments these days. And now she's
Speaker 4: at an art camp this week. She made a beautiful
Speaker 4: print yesterday. You know she's thriving. She's thriving in the
Speaker 4: La summer heat. Yes, yes, and it's fucking hot here
Speaker 4: and we are pooling it up as much as we can.
Speaker 1: Hot hot, hot, Yeah you got a pool.
Speaker 2: I mean I already sent like a pool type meme
Speaker 2: with someone I know has that has a pool on
Speaker 2: their apartment building, being like hello, wel and he's.
Speaker 1: Like, you're invited.
Speaker 2: But I just I just don't want to know how
Speaker 2: shameless I can be with people, like can I just
Speaker 2: message and go can I come to the pool or
Speaker 2: what like yeah, yeah, I'm not going to lunch though,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, this is a pool based
Speaker 2: hang and I can't really pretend that there's not a.
Speaker 4: Pool in New York City in your building. People are
Speaker 4: probably throwing their friendship that.
Speaker 1: You left right last summer. Like I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 4: I can't think of a person I knew with a
Speaker 4: pool in New York or access to it. And I
Speaker 4: babysat for some rich ass people. That's really luxurious. Yeah
Speaker 4: you know it is, it really is. And lucky to
Speaker 4: know him. So we'll see, we'll see. What do we
Speaker 4: want to talk about this Jack the Ripper thing or no?
Speaker 4: Well yeah, so may let's see. Let me get to
Speaker 4: the article.
Speaker 2: So this is from art net, which I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is what's it called respected? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it came out May twenty four so not too
Speaker 2: long ago. But it's a theory. Was Edgar Dega the
Speaker 2: ga right, the god?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Actually actually Jack the Ripper, This dogged ticked talker has
Speaker 4: a theory.
Speaker 1: What is dog What does this mean? Dogged? Dogged? What
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like dogged is like relentless, like when if you're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like relentless.
Speaker 1: Relentless TikToker.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this TikTok so, this whole thing is because
Speaker 2: of a TikToker, a maniac.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The impressionist artists spent time in London, she pointed out,
Speaker 2: and she's always find his art a bit creepy. So
Speaker 2: I guess there's like journals and his art is, yeah,
Speaker 2: just very anatomy.
Speaker 1: He was friends with the surgeon.
Speaker 2: His travel things like I wouldn't put a past to
Speaker 2: any man to murder.
Speaker 1: The best is like that.
Speaker 4: They say that the TikToker is like laying out her
Speaker 4: theory in a denim jacket in the passenger seat of
Speaker 4: her twenty fourteen Hundai Santa fe Like that's shade.
Speaker 1: That's where they're shading her. So hard.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, maybe Artnett is you know the snabby art
Speaker 2: website we wanted because that is so rude. Yeah show, yeah,
Speaker 2: but she knows it's crazy.
Speaker 4: She's like, hear me out she Oh, she.
Speaker 2: Was on her way to the doctors with a fever.
Speaker 2: She should have really left that part out.
Speaker 1: But art Nut's covering it.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but so is bored Panda the Daily Dot.
Speaker 4: A lot of people are picking up this Jack the
Speaker 4: Ripper dig A story.
Speaker 1: It's uh in April as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because you've not seen one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 2: Art School Confidential.
Speaker 1: Yet, Right, you've never seen that? No, I should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to do that because it's one of
Speaker 2: my favorites. But it's the guy who did the cartoon
Speaker 2: for ghost World.
Speaker 1: I think too, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at okay, Art School Confidential. Oh yes,
Speaker 4: I remember the poster of this and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so what's funny is for everyone listening, there used
Speaker 2: to be a really hip show in La called The Meltdown, Right,
Speaker 2: That's what was the name of.
Speaker 4: The store, nerd melt like uh no comics. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: you got paid.
Speaker 2: They would give fifty dollars to spend, but there wasn't
Speaker 2: even Simpson stuff, like this is a real comic book store,
Speaker 2: and so I bought the Art.
Speaker 1: School Confidential comic book, Like I really.
Speaker 2: I had to really digged out in that store, but
Speaker 2: it was my belt down money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I would get paid for that show
Speaker 4: and be like, Jared, you want anything, like I've done
Speaker 4: anything to buy like yeah, but when you would visit
Speaker 4: La like that was the show you wanted to get on,
Speaker 4: and I feel like I maybe I do.
Speaker 1: I did it maybe three times, but yeah.
Speaker 4: It was a hot show and it became a TV show.
Speaker 4: Jared still gets some residual checks for like, you know,
Speaker 4: seven cents once in a while from doing that TV show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sorry obviously. I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people are proud that I haven't mentioned it, but I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are waiting for me to
Speaker 2: mention Travis on stage with Taylor.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like that is big news.
Speaker 2: We are recording this the day the New Heights episode
Speaker 2: came out, so I've only seen the two clips. But
Speaker 2: like I post sit a comment that in minutes already
Speaker 2: has like hundreds and hundreds of likes, like we are committed.
Speaker 2: But Jason Kelsey was just talking about how, you know
Speaker 2: Taylor does the hat thing. You don't like when she
Speaker 2: sings twenty two. There's a kid that's picked. I don't
Speaker 2: know how they're picked. Yeah, but like one of Kobe
Speaker 2: Bryant's daughters was, yeah, girls got the dining chat and
Speaker 2: so you know, he goes watching a young girl get
Speaker 2: that hat and thinking what that would mean to me
Speaker 2: and my daughters.
Speaker 1: And he started tearing out.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm teering up watching this football player
Speaker 2: talk about a girl getting a hat, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: this has just gotten too deep. But he loved And
Speaker 2: then they're calling Kylie Princess Kayana.
Speaker 1: I really like that. But it was just cool and
Speaker 1: he nailed it and it was fun. But and it
Speaker 1: was just all start setting.
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul McCartney's at your concert, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, your boyfriend's there.
Speaker 1: It's cool. And there's five more in August. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of big names there. I saw.
Speaker 4: It's like all that, and then there was like the
Speaker 4: Dave Grohl comment that everybody's talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing that's weird is he complimented her recently so
Speaker 2: it's strange they have photos together. But also you look
Speaker 2: stupid because you're in the smaller venue in London that night,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you kind of look
Speaker 2: stupid and it looks like you're trying to get clout
Speaker 2: and what are you sixty five?
Speaker 1: Like it's just swee.
Speaker 4: I was literally talking to another text threat about this
Speaker 4: because I was like, you can say whatever you want
Speaker 4: about Taylor Swift. You have the right to not like
Speaker 4: her if you want, but to say that she's not
Speaker 4: performing live when she does like a three and a
Speaker 4: half hour truly like a feat of performance, like it's
Speaker 4: I go, it's kind of the last criticism I'll except,
Speaker 4: like I will not accept that, like she's not performing
Speaker 4: live and that her live concert is not an experience
Speaker 4: that people are obsessed with, because nobody does a concert
Speaker 4: that long, Nobody sings that many songs, that many set pieces,
Speaker 4: costume changes, Like it's really crazy that he said that.
Speaker 4: But then another friend piped in and goes, well, I
Speaker 4: heard that Dave Grohl's daughter said some shit about Taylor
Speaker 4: using a private jet and the Swifties came for her,
Speaker 4: and that's why he's kind of clapping back it's more
Speaker 4: like about about making her fans mad than it is
Speaker 4: about really critiquing her. Is what someone said they saw interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that's actually I heard like his
Speaker 2: daughter is a brat fan. She loves Charlie XCX so okay,
Speaker 2: or Billie Eilish or something.
Speaker 1: So there's all of that.
Speaker 2: It's just you can talk shit and your rocks or whatever,
Speaker 2: but like to do it when you're in the smaller
Speaker 2: which is still eighty thousand people. But when you're in
Speaker 2: the smaller venue in the same town and you're not
Speaker 2: getting the attention that this woman is getting, like it,
Speaker 2: you just look silly. And I've experienced this before because
Speaker 2: I was I've talked about this a lot, but Ludacris
Speaker 2: was not on the main stage when I saw him
Speaker 2: at Bumber Shoot, and it was like, not the Chromio
Speaker 2: brother the Chainsmokers, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So he was. He was upset. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: The idea of calling the Chainsmokers Chromeo brothers is so
Speaker 4: funny to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, back to the story.
Speaker 4: The Chainsmokers were on a bigger stage because they were
Speaker 4: having a more okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know what, looted it.
Speaker 2: He just performed better, like yeah, he goes, you know what,
Speaker 2: the main stage, This is the main stage, and then
Speaker 2: he played hit after hit after hit and solidified himself
Speaker 2: like the actual performer of the night. But like being like, nah,
Speaker 2: where are the errors tour? But if he's protecting his daughter,
Speaker 2: I get it. Whatever, ye like he should have done
Speaker 2: a better insult like your costumes are lame, or like
Speaker 2: your cringe or you're a capitalist.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There was just like other things to do except the
Speaker 2: thing that like she is playing a piano and guitar
Speaker 2: and sing like that is the thing. Maybe shouldre's backing
Speaker 2: tracks during you know, certain numbers, but I think she
Speaker 2: she is singing live, yeah, because if she was, she
Speaker 2: wasn't people wouldn't be like this bitch can't sing because
Speaker 2: that's the thing, like people that don't like.
Speaker 1: Her, like I don't like her voice at all.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, so it's like if she was using a
Speaker 4: backing track, she might have made it, you know better. Well,
Speaker 4: you know, it's just it was just such a magical
Speaker 4: thing where it just looks like jealousy from outside. But
Speaker 4: also the Taylor Watch podcast like released an episode early.
Speaker 4: Everyone was just losing their minds, and then how I
Speaker 4: saw a clip of Howard Stern talking about it.
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: He goes, her boyfriend was on stage, and people are
Speaker 2: losing their minds. And then they play a clip and
Speaker 2: you because you know, when you hold the cell phone
Speaker 2: at a concert, you singing, her talking is what is
Speaker 2: gonna get picked up the most.
Speaker 1: It's just people going, what the fuck? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: People can't comprehend what's happening. And then of course the comparisons.
Speaker 2: Are being mad, like being made that like no one
Speaker 2: is mad that Travis is on stage, like the football
Speaker 2: guys were mad about.
Speaker 4: Just that she was at the games. Yeah, yeah, interest
Speaker 4: slip interesting.
Speaker 2: We were were thrilled, like were There's theories being made like.
Speaker 4: No one's like stick to football, you're distracting from the music.
Speaker 2: You know, And my favorite fact, everyone's like how do
Speaker 2: we not see him? And they're like he was under
Speaker 2: the willow cloak, and it's like this fandom is insane
Speaker 2: and I can't believe how much I've infiltrated my mind
Speaker 2: so quickly.
Speaker 1: Where I'm like, not the willow cloak, it's.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what you're talking about. But I'm wow,
Speaker 4: that sounds like a big moment.
Speaker 1: Wait did I talk.
Speaker 4: About doing Mallia? Was that last week? Or No, No,
Speaker 4: you haven't, but we do have to start soon because
Speaker 4: I think this interview is going to be long.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have a big value.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I did Molly at though Desk the concert
Speaker 2: and it was a good time. And the funniest thing
Speaker 2: that my friend Dave said we were together was like
Speaker 2: we were all just behaved and mature at this concert.
Speaker 2: You know, we did the appropriate amount of drugs. Everyone
Speaker 2: was there was no line, everyone was chill. And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've come a long way, and I went, we sure have.
Speaker 2: Like thinking about me at nineteen at Lallapalooza, it's like
Speaker 2: I survived a zombie attack, Like I remember finding my
Speaker 2: friend in the middle of the street, thighs fully chased,
Speaker 2: like bleeding, just ripped apart, sweating dehydrate, like limping out
Speaker 2: of just clawing my way to the front of the
Speaker 2: stage to see the red hot chili peppers in a
Speaker 2: way that I'm humiliated by.
Speaker 4: And at this concert you're like swirling a cocktail like we.
Speaker 1: Didn't even drink.
Speaker 2: No, we met, So my friend came in from Jersey,
Speaker 2: so I was like, yeah, let's just meet at a bar.
Speaker 1: And then I got a cock a drink I have.
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't been into drinking as much lately
Speaker 2: and so and with drugs, it's just too much. And
Speaker 2: so when he got there, he didn't get a drink.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck, why aren't you getting a drink?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I go, you say to meet at
Speaker 2: a bar, and I'm gonna drink. He goes, you said
Speaker 2: to meet at a bar. I don't want to drink.
Speaker 2: I go, I don't want to drink either. But then
Speaker 2: I took a shot.
Speaker 1: But then listen.
Speaker 2: So then we go outside. I know we have to start.
Speaker 2: This is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: There's like a little electrical box.
Speaker 2: We're just like trying to do Molly, putting it in
Speaker 2: our waters, like just talking. I'm we walk away to
Speaker 2: grab a bite of food before we go into Madison
Speaker 2: Square Garden. I realized I left my phone on an
Speaker 2: electrical box in the middle of like, yeah, I'm thirty
Speaker 2: first twelve, Oh my god. And so in my head
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, the tickets are on it. But and honestly,
Speaker 2: I can log into the email, we can put the
Speaker 2: app on his phone like it would have been fine.
Speaker 2: I like, I was like, I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: it back, and it was still there, which is a
Speaker 2: fucking miracle. And I think it's because it was the
Speaker 2: black side out of my phone, not the case side. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it blended in a little bit. But it was
Speaker 2: probably on an electrical box in the city for like
Speaker 2: I would say, twenty eight minutes twenty.
Speaker 1: Five minutes before I realized it. Crazy wow, Because I
Speaker 1: also try to be in the moment. I am less
Speaker 1: on my phone. I really try to be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and on drugs, you don't want to get like yeah,
Speaker 4: thinking about text to something that was like business for
Speaker 4: the podcast, and I was like, I don't want to bother.
Speaker 1: Her during the concert, so I emailed it.
Speaker 4: I was like, she won't check her email during a concert,
Speaker 4: but she might look at texts.
Speaker 1: No, I kept my phone down there. But they were incredible.
Speaker 2: And another funny thing Dave said is he looked at
Speaker 2: me he goes, this is like the Blue Man Group,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, So it's like drummers with neat lights.
Speaker 1: It's like lights.
Speaker 2: There's witches that come out with cellos and lights and
Speaker 2: it's a full light show screens like it felt like
Speaker 2: we were in the winter at moments.
Speaker 1: It's like a.
Speaker 2: Full lights show, wild experience. It's really cool because my friends,
Speaker 2: my other friend, my friend from India, a DT is
Speaker 2: visiting from Mumbai and she was like, what does it mean?
Speaker 1: It's a drug band? And then while I was there,
Speaker 1: I was just laughing.
Speaker 2: It was like fire, like full fire in the like
Speaker 2: first song fire confetti in the beginning, neon drum wie.
Speaker 1: Jesus. It was wild.
Speaker 4: We have a great interview, so don't you know, don't
Speaker 4: skip the interview today and uh yeah, as usual, go
Speaker 4: to That's Messed Up live dot com for our merch
Speaker 4: Lisa's tour dates, any of our any more information about us,
Speaker 4: follow us on Instagram, I don't know whatever, and all
Speaker 4: of our promo codes are up there too as well.
Speaker 4: Let's get started.
Speaker 2: Okay, so today we will be doing Tomorrow's which is
Speaker 2: an episode where Tomorrow really fucks up and I have
Speaker 2: fucked up as well, and I definitely forgot all of
Speaker 2: my recording equipment before I went on the road for.
Speaker 1: Ten months, ten months. Can you imagine for.
Speaker 2: Ten days I did buy a microphone forgetting I don't
Speaker 2: have a USB port, So listen.
Speaker 1: Am I using Delta headphones right now? I am? So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, Carol.
Speaker 4: You might notice the sound quality is a little different
Speaker 4: than usual, but the same old Lisa is there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but with my curtains and this. Yeah, it is always
Speaker 4: embarrassing when we do have a guest and I do
Speaker 4: have to interview them in front of these curtains because
Speaker 4: they must think I'm a maniac. I feel like you
Speaker 4: could be at a hotel with those curtains. You're right,
Speaker 4: I don't have to, let you know, my mom don't
Speaker 4: have to be like I'm in my childhood bedroom. It's
Speaker 4: not a necessity, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should take a screen shot so people can
Speaker 2: see the opulence my mom finds at Marshalls. Yes, because
Speaker 2: she said to take a screenshot and the opulence mine.
Speaker 1: But we are here.
Speaker 2: We're in season fifteen, episode eleven, and this aired in January,
Speaker 2: right after the Christmas break. I believe probably they were like,
Speaker 2: enjoy your holidays now.
Speaker 4: Boom okayah, So tomorrow starts off this episode hitting you know,
Speaker 4: a punching bag, a boxing bag.
Speaker 2: What are the little ones is feedbag speedback. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't a speed bag. It was a long one.
Speaker 4: Oh that was a big and that's just a punching bag. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so the little one's a speedbag.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's wearing a wife beater inappropriate name, but I
Speaker 2: don't know that is what that tank is called.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wait, Trixy and Katia just talked about this on their podcast,
Speaker 4: but do they have a fun name. They were like,
Speaker 4: it's actually called.
Speaker 2: Because even the other name seems culturally insensitive. So one's
Speaker 2: about abuse and the other is about a demographical.
Speaker 4: Well, somebody said wife pleaser, which they didn't like either.
Speaker 4: But then Trixy had like sort of what sounded like
Speaker 4: a fashion name for it, like a frame tank or
Speaker 4: something like that, but like, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: And I can't find it right now. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: a frame tank. It was something like that, like eight like,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that. But yes, white.
Speaker 4: Ribbed tea right right, white ribbed tank does require too
Speaker 4: much spelling, and we do know what the other term means,
Speaker 4: but it is not good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is not good.
Speaker 2: But to me, nothing is hotter than like a bikini
Speaker 2: top or a black barsling with a wife beaterer on
Speaker 2: top and like denim shorts like that to me is
Speaker 2: epitome of Well, it's because I grew up in the
Speaker 2: heyday of Britney Spears and.
Speaker 1: That is what I like.
Speaker 2: I don't Anyways, Finn walks in, He's like, he calls
Speaker 2: him La Joya.
Speaker 1: He's like, come on, let's go, we gotta go.
Speaker 4: We're duet lives and Amaro goes, just go, I'll meet
Speaker 4: you there, and it's like, stop punching the bag. We
Speaker 4: got to get to your boss's house. And Finn goes, nah,
Speaker 4: I'll chill. Then he is annoyed.
Speaker 2: I feel like I just sounded like justin Timberlake when
Speaker 2: he said hi to like genuine or something.
Speaker 1: Do you remember yes?
Speaker 2: Then he is annoyed, like how many more times do
Speaker 2: we have to celebrate her sergeant's exam? And basically though,
Speaker 2: he's actually sad because they're not going to let her
Speaker 2: supervise them, so that means she's going to be transferred,
Speaker 2: and he's really upset, but it does make Tomorrow stop
Speaker 2: punching the bag because he's like, fuck, I don't want
Speaker 2: her transferred.
Speaker 1: We should get to her house.
Speaker 2: So we show up at the apartment and we're in
Speaker 2: the short hair Bob Live era and she's popping open
Speaker 2: a bottle of wine and Rollins is already there helping out.
Speaker 1: There's a brunette woman.
Speaker 4: I don't really know who she is, but I'm assuming
Speaker 4: she's giving off social worker energy.
Speaker 1: I feel like she probably like helped her. She's Craigan's gal.
Speaker 1: That's Eileen. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2: She's like, thanks for including me, Like you, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so that's Eileen.
Speaker 4: I you know, I never put a face to a name.
Speaker 4: She's not in it that much, but yeah, that's her.
Speaker 1: I'm really happy.
Speaker 2: So she asks where Brian is and he's undercover, and
Speaker 2: then Eileen is like, but he was there for you
Speaker 2: at your trial, so that you know that's something.
Speaker 1: And then that's just.
Speaker 2: A low bar of men where you know, the most
Speaker 2: traumatic thing that's ever happened to you he did show
Speaker 2: up then, But whatever. She's a professional, she gets it.
Speaker 4: But also you could tell Benson's annoyed by the comment, like, oh,
Speaker 4: fuck yourself, why are you bringing up William Lewis in
Speaker 4: my trial at my fun party while I'm drinking wine?
Speaker 4: Like stop, yeah, you really don't have to bring up
Speaker 4: the trauma.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Ben is already bitching to Craigan like can we leave already?
Speaker 2: It's like shut up, and Craigan goes, how about we
Speaker 2: toast first and then you can rush home to whatever
Speaker 2: you rush home to, which is you know.
Speaker 4: I feel like there is a place for a joke there,
Speaker 4: Like I wanted there to be a little joke there,
Speaker 4: like his video games is weed like something, but they
Speaker 4: didn't give it to me. But I'm also thinking, like
Speaker 4: a comedy writer, probably well, I think.
Speaker 2: The comedy is that no one knows what, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about it. Yeah, like they didn't know
Speaker 2: yet a son, I think till what season eight, So
Speaker 2: like I think that's what they're trying to kind of show.
Speaker 2: Rollins tries to give Hmara wine. He says no, She
Speaker 2: calls him a choir boy, so he gives in and
Speaker 2: grabs the wine. Craigan does a speech, and Ben's his
Speaker 2: bookshelf is so nice, so many frames, Vaza's cool things,
Speaker 2: a clock and there's a coat hook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, luckily they're not cutting wide to see the fucking
Speaker 4: uh taxidermied moose or whatever the hell Cassidy made her
Speaker 4: hang on the wall.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that.
Speaker 4: Because this is their apartment together. Luckily we're not getting
Speaker 4: the mail energy.
Speaker 2: No, and then well maybe that clock was That was
Speaker 2: a big ass clock. And then Craigan drops a huge
Speaker 2: announcement and basically one PP bureaucracy, YadA YadA. Benson gets
Speaker 2: to stay at SVU, so Finn is happy he's gonna stay,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'll drink to that.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, there's ten more seasons of the show.
Speaker 4: She says, Rollin's and Tomorrow are now walking under some
Speaker 4: scaffolding and he asked if she wants to ride, and
Speaker 4: she's like, oh, you could just drop me off at
Speaker 4: the sixth sab F train, which is if just take
Speaker 4: her home. But anyways, so they're walking and talking and
Speaker 4: they're really happy that Live is staying, and Tomorrow doesn't
Speaker 4: know who his new partner is going to be and
Speaker 4: he's like, you know, the NYPD doesn't tell me anything.
Speaker 4: Then behind them is a police chase and a cop
Speaker 4: is screaming and two people are running and they're like stop, stop,
Speaker 4: and then one of the cops gets hit by a
Speaker 4: taxi cab and crashes into the windshield. So they go
Speaker 4: check on the dude, and the guy on the ground
Speaker 4: says they saw those kids do a deal and his
Speaker 4: partner saw a gun. Tomorrow then confirms the gun detail.
Speaker 4: He goes, there was a gun, They go, yes, a gun.
Speaker 4: So then, but also let the kid do a drug deal,
Speaker 4: Like is it that big of a deal. I just
Speaker 4: I would just be like, okay, whatever. The kid got away,
Speaker 4: so he bought some drugs, Like what, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: the war on drugs is, We've got some there's some problems.
Speaker 4: It's like, who gives a shit.
Speaker 2: I just everything that spirals out after this is like,
Speaker 2: you could have just let the kid run.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hate the real crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: To me, it's like you already got hit by a car.
Speaker 2: Like it's done, Bro, it's done. The chase is done.
Speaker 2: You're off like that, you're not even working. But Rollin
Speaker 2: stays with the fallen cop and Amorro runs after the kid,
Speaker 2: and so then Rollin's calls it in and there are
Speaker 2: people with their phones out already capturing what's going down.
Speaker 2: We also see another cop chasing the kid, and again
Speaker 2: I think they're doing too much. Amaro joins this detective
Speaker 2: and they're each on one wall of the side of
Speaker 2: a hallway. Very action movie, I would say, and uh,
Speaker 2: the woman is Officer McKenna and she's played by Vicky Judy,
Speaker 2: who is Watkins from Orange Is the New Black. If
Speaker 2: you're a fan, guess what My nephew and his girlfriend
Speaker 2: are watching Orange is the New Black.
Speaker 1: She's already seen it. She loves it. She's making him
Speaker 1: watch it and he loves Oh, I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's on season three, and like, we talked about
Speaker 4: the faves and who we've had on the pod, and
Speaker 4: it was tell him that you're available for when he
Speaker 4: gets to the season finale, because the series finale, because
Speaker 4: it's I.
Speaker 1: Was not only that, what about when I'm.
Speaker 4: So many things that happen are terrible. But then at
Speaker 4: the end, I cried so hard the big death, I
Speaker 4: cried out. I cried so hard at that. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was a tough one. So God, they're gonna get it.
Speaker 4: They're gonna get there. But they were like, who's your favorite,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I guess I have to say
Speaker 4: Red because of our cultural Oh yeah, Red is red rules,
Speaker 4: Red rules.
Speaker 1: So my plain Jane of Orange Is the New Black.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to say it's so hard to say.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I kept going. I kept going, and then
Speaker 4: I was like, oh no, this was no I like.
Speaker 4: But I do think I like the.
Speaker 2: Older women because I like DEA's mom and I like
Speaker 2: the one who won't do our podcast with the short.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh selanis Levia. We've been wanting to get
Speaker 4: her forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I And then of course I
Speaker 2: said natash leone. Also, at my mom's birthday, my niece's
Speaker 2: college roommate was with us. Oh, she's like visiting. So
Speaker 2: I got to meet another Trinity, another trim girl.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, so it was really exciting.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so Vicki, Judy Watkins McKenna, Okay, she keeps
Speaker 2: yelling for him to drop his gun, and Amaro realizes
Speaker 2: and then screams out like he doesn't speak English.
Speaker 1: So then the woman taping on this and I was
Speaker 1: reading the subtitles.
Speaker 4: By the way, he is speaking French and he is
Speaker 4: saying I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. And
Speaker 4: then he's saying I don't have a gun. But he's
Speaker 4: saying in French. Yeah, you would think he's an E.
Speaker 4: S Cellar or something. Yeah, I wonder how fresh she
Speaker 4: is to the country. Yeah, okay, so you saw that.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I was reading the subtitles. Yeah damn.
Speaker 4: It was like Jay rim Fay, like I have done nothing,
Speaker 4: Like I can't even imagine how scary this is.
Speaker 2: So so he but Amorrow does realize that. And then
Speaker 2: the woman taping on the streets, she busts in balls
Speaker 2: of steel on this woman.
Speaker 1: She looks just like a grandma, but she is I.
Speaker 4: Think is holding but I thought she was holding a
Speaker 4: caprice so and I was like, rock on that woman
Speaker 4: rules like, I can't see what she's holding.
Speaker 1: But I was like, it really looks like.
Speaker 4: In the other hand, Well, when she comes into the hallway,
Speaker 4: there was I didn't I didn't know if she was taping,
Speaker 4: and she was holding something, and I go, is that
Speaker 4: a caprice on? But I was like doing I was,
Speaker 4: I wasn't made.
Speaker 1: Now I want a caprice son? Oh god? Okay.
Speaker 2: So she busts in and she goes, you leave that
Speaker 2: boy alone, and Amarro actually points his gun at her
Speaker 2: and tells her to get the fuck out, which I
Speaker 2: think is a little much, but she walks out out.
Speaker 2: Then Officer McKenna decides to run and I just it's
Speaker 2: so stupid. And so then she runs in like this
Speaker 2: is kind of when Stabler goes undercover with the Animal Ring.
Speaker 2: It's like, this is what you want to leave this
Speaker 2: world for, like ils.
Speaker 4: Like there's no imminent danger, like if he has a gun,
Speaker 4: wait for backup, like even if this guy has a gun,
Speaker 4: like backup cameras, like other things we can do, like
Speaker 4: to get these to draw people out, rather than go
Speaker 4: into a situation where you have no idea how many
Speaker 4: people are behind a door, how many weapons there are,
Speaker 4: Like you have no idea. It's like I doubt it's
Speaker 4: what the police department teaches.
Speaker 2: No, And so she's a dumb bitch. So yeah, she
Speaker 2: decides to run into this hallway. She then is on
Speaker 2: the ground, she is shot. There's gunfire everywhere, like we
Speaker 2: hear all of this noise. So then he wants to
Speaker 2: save her, so he pulls her out. Then he puts
Speaker 2: his gun into the hallway without looking again like an
Speaker 2: action movie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are we in Rambo? Yeah, he's around.
Speaker 4: A nine agree corner with no visibility, just pounding his
Speaker 4: weapon like shoot shoo, shoot choo choot like an insane
Speaker 4: And so then of course, the boy is shot and
Speaker 4: Tomorrow keeps screaming, secure the gun, Secure the gun. There
Speaker 4: is no gun, and the young boy is bleeding out.
Speaker 4: Now his parents are screaming, and then Tomorrow like he
Speaker 4: just was running home. And then Tomorrow and this boy
Speaker 4: is like it seems like he is dying blood everyone
Speaker 4: and they're making dramatic eye contact. They are looking at
Speaker 4: each other. And now Tomorrow is like holding the boy's wound.
Speaker 4: And now it's the credits and this is a mess.
Speaker 4: So now, and also what I don't understand is like,
Speaker 4: you don't even know these cops, like what, yeah, you
Speaker 4: shot a kid for some bit you don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 2: We're back and you know all the cops staff, everyone's
Speaker 2: running around, everyone's looking for this gun. And then the
Speaker 2: EMT does say that Tomorrow did a good job with
Speaker 2: doing triage and it did save the boy's life. The
Speaker 2: boy is wheeled out on a stretcher and out of
Speaker 2: his coat falls caught which is an East African amphetamine
Speaker 2: and Somali pirates use it to be fearless and I
Speaker 2: kind of like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so omar kaht cot what is that? Well?
Speaker 4: Amara was like this small amount. This is like a
Speaker 4: small time dealer. Yep, yeah, that's why I and whatever.
Speaker 4: We'll get to more and more infuriation. So then friend
Speaker 4: of the pod Kathy Moorey already walks in as Captain
Speaker 4: Tony Howard were obsessed with her, and she said, you
Speaker 4: saved my guys, thank you. I didn't realize SV was
Speaker 4: working with my precinct. Rollins goes, no, we were just
Speaker 4: walking and we saw an officer get hit by a cap.
Speaker 1: So he asks.
Speaker 4: Tony how is McKenna and the response is that she
Speaker 4: lost some blood but she'll be okay. And then of
Speaker 4: course Tony hates to ask, but she needs his weapon
Speaker 4: and he needs to go to the hospital for a
Speaker 4: full work up and blood alcohol level. Fuck he had wine.
Speaker 4: So then Rollin said it was a good shoot.
Speaker 1: You weren't there.
Speaker 2: Mariarty fires back, kid was armed, find the weapon, So
Speaker 2: Amara walks off. Rollins looks worried, huge crowds everywhere. Benson
Speaker 2: arrives to check in on him with Kragan. He gives
Speaker 2: them the low down. Howard's actually Finn's old lieutenant from narcotics.
Speaker 2: So then Kragan goes, that doesn't matter, you know, not
Speaker 2: to say anything to anybody. So Craigan goes with Tomorrow
Speaker 2: to the hospital and Tomorrow says he had to shoot
Speaker 2: because McKenna was down, and Craigan goes, you can't talk
Speaker 2: to me either, like this is not privileged.
Speaker 1: Shut your fucking mouth. So the rest of the squad
Speaker 1: stays to.
Speaker 2: Help find the gun, and Howard is warm to Finn
Speaker 2: and relieved he saw nothing so she can actually put
Speaker 2: him to work. Benson offers her French skills, of course,
Speaker 2: to talk to the parents. Howard said, no, tranp no,
Speaker 2: it's fine. We have a translator on the way, but
Speaker 2: fix Benson. So they can't be the main investigators obviously,
Speaker 2: but before everyone shows up, they can at least help
Speaker 2: look for the gun. So at this point I don't
Speaker 2: feel has a gun, and he proved why he ran
Speaker 2: because fuck the police, like you're just shooting into a
Speaker 2: hallway with one kid, You're a fucking lunatic. Rollins finds
Speaker 2: a big problem. There's a window, a giant window open
Speaker 2: in the apartment, and there's an older brother missing, and
Speaker 2: Howard knows him. He has a rap sheet for pedaling
Speaker 2: without permits, really like petty shit, but he's well known
Speaker 2: to the squad, so they're like, well, maybe he went
Speaker 2: out the window with the gun. Now, a blonde woman
Speaker 2: introduces herself to Tomorrow at the hospital. Her name is
Speaker 2: Dede Densler, and that's going to be his delegate. She
Speaker 2: stops the nurse from taking his blood and says to
Speaker 2: wait that they have to talk police confidential business. And
Speaker 2: this actress has actually been in six episodes of SBU,
Speaker 2: spanning season two to seventeen, three different characters, and I
Speaker 2: actually recognized her as one of the lesbians in the
Speaker 2: cheating Curve from Sex and the City that Charlotte starts
Speaker 2: hanging out with, which Tomorrow Tuney's in that episode as well,
Speaker 2: So that's exciting. So the nurse with funky scrubs leaves
Speaker 2: and they get down to business. She's like, none of
Speaker 2: this is privileged, but he goes, listen, I had two
Speaker 2: glasses of wine. She's like, you need to talk to
Speaker 2: a psychologist. She says, tell me everything.
Speaker 4: Hopefully they find the gun, and Amaro's like, I hope
Speaker 4: the kid lives, Like who cares about the gun?
Speaker 1: Like I do? Like this he has humanity. He goes,
Speaker 1: what what is he?
Speaker 4: Sixteen? And she goes, they're claiming fourteen? What do you
Speaker 4: mean claiming? What do you mean claiming he's fourteen? Why
Speaker 4: would they lie? Amaro looks really.
Speaker 2: Sad, and uh oh it's Tucker walking in and he's pissed.
Speaker 2: So this is funny, Like we always say how IAB
Speaker 2: is just.
Speaker 4: To make sure the cops are like doing the right thing.
Speaker 4: But there are these enemies.
Speaker 2: And even in this episode where it's like a kid
Speaker 2: is a shot, like everyone is still treating it like fuck,
Speaker 2: leave them alone.
Speaker 1: He just shot into a hallway and shot a kid.
Speaker 4: No, you know what I mean, with no evidence, we'll
Speaker 4: run backing cops anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just like it. It is a funky episode.
Speaker 2: So then then so basically Tucker says, the new mayor
Speaker 2: wants IAB to be involved in this case. Dean Winters
Speaker 2: is here too, you know, as Brian all hands on
Speaker 2: deck and he's training to be an IAB right now,
Speaker 2: which makes me laugh. It's like you know when you
Speaker 2: have a waitress that's training and then the real waitress
Speaker 2: stands behind and so they just it's like, no, Brian,
Speaker 2: you you try this time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, wyting you ask if they want dessert?
Speaker 2: Craigan makes the comment I don't love but he says, well,
Speaker 2: everyone only cares because he's a black team, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: but if that's true, is that not appropriate?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I don't know why that's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they care because it's a black team, because you
Speaker 2: guys continuously kill black people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's why they're.
Speaker 4: Making there's not as many instances of cops just shooting
Speaker 4: white teens for no reason.
Speaker 1: They usually bring the white teens in a live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you I know for a fact, you wouldn't
Speaker 4: have chased if it was a white team, Like yeah,
Speaker 4: they can pretend all they want.
Speaker 1: And that's why, like on what is it?
Speaker 2: Unconscious bias is so import because none of these people
Speaker 2: think they're racist. But it's like, there's no fucking way
Speaker 2: you would have chased a white girl like this.
Speaker 1: It's right there.
Speaker 4: It's also even right there in what we were just
Speaker 4: talking about. Oh, what is he's sixteen? No, he's fourteen.
Speaker 4: There's like a thing where people make black children seem older.
Speaker 1: They think that they're older. They treat them older.
Speaker 4: They you know, they like treat them like adults and
Speaker 4: criminals when they're children their kids. Yes, you know, yes,
Speaker 4: so that's like that writting right there into the script,
Speaker 4: into the thing, you know. Oh, they're claiming he's fourteen. No,
Speaker 4: he's fucking fourteen. Yeah, and it's like, no, if it
Speaker 4: was a white woman, she would see the department aka
Speaker 4: Leam McSweeney and start a business. So that's what would happen.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Wait, did I tell you what happened
Speaker 4: at New York Comedy Club?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm just doing a set. I mentioned the Housewives,
Speaker 4: and this kind of drunk girl yells out Aaron Lee Chee,
Speaker 4: and I go, fuck that bitch. She used Breakstone sour
Speaker 4: cream with caviaars. She's a fraud, she's and I start
Speaker 4: going off, and then the woman goes, wait, that's his aunt.
Speaker 1: That's his aunt.
Speaker 4: So she was with his nephew.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going off on his aunt.
Speaker 2: And what a horrible addition she is to the to
Speaker 2: the franchise.
Speaker 1: And then everyone obviously starts laughing.
Speaker 4: I start laughing, and then I go, no, I mean
Speaker 4: she and then I have to kind of back up,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, why would you yell out someone's name?
Speaker 2: That's like a famous part, like right when you're related.
Speaker 2: But then I said were you at that party? Were
Speaker 2: you at that fucking party? He goes, I was at
Speaker 2: the bank, the big bank party. He goes, I was
Speaker 2: at the party, and I go, was there food? And
Speaker 2: he goes, I left full and satisfied. Oh okay, standing
Speaker 2: up for his aunt.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I just thought I would share that
Speaker 4: little tid bit funny. So, hey, you gotta be careful
Speaker 4: because remember I talked about the Queen Your Love Ultimatum show.
Speaker 4: Oh yeahs a twin sister was at our show. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so's my sister's on that. And it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: you look exactly like her, right, yeah, thank god your
Speaker 4: your sister wasn't as problematic because her big titted girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Craigan's like, because he's block Okay. So then
Speaker 2: Tucker's testing Brian because he needs to prove he can
Speaker 2: be unbiased. So he thinks, I AB and the mayor
Speaker 2: are just trying to use tomorrow as a sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 2: And it's like, but he did shoot, And so then
Speaker 2: a pastor comes in from behind.
Speaker 1: Craigan is surrounded.
Speaker 2: It's Reverend Curtis Scott aka Leslie Odom Jr. Says the
Speaker 2: only person's sacrifice is Yusuf.
Speaker 1: I'm with the I'm with the reverend.
Speaker 2: So Craigan does a slow spin and goes, wow, we're
Speaker 2: word travels fast, and it's like, yeah, when the NYPD
Speaker 2: shoots an unarmed boy, we tend to talk about it.
Speaker 2: So his parents are with him. Tiger Tiger, Tiger Tigger. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Tiger fights with Pastor now too, and he's like,
Speaker 2: hold your horses, we'll see what happens. Have you seen
Speaker 2: the trend on TikTok where black people are doing things
Speaker 2: of like what phrases by white people they really do,
Speaker 2: like like white people really popped off when they came
Speaker 2: up with it, And it's like I've had it up
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 1: And it's like you're cruising for a cruises.
Speaker 4: And I feel like hold your horses is one of those, yeah,
Speaker 4: that the whites popped off. And so Pastor Curtis gets
Speaker 4: invol and goes, oh, now that you can't stop him,
Speaker 4: frisk you just shoot, and they all fight that it
Speaker 4: was not racially motivated, and he gets them and goes,
Speaker 4: I thought, we haven't determined what happened yet.
Speaker 1: So it's like you guys are saying it's not race related.
Speaker 2: But then you also said the investigation's not done, so
Speaker 2: you're already just like clamoring for whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, Rollin's going, that was a good shoot.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you guys are not investigating and you're
Speaker 2: not being like self aware. So he says, the whole
Speaker 2: city is watching you and the mayor, so let's see.
Speaker 2: So Craigan goes, oh, babe, I wouldn't waste your time
Speaker 2: with us. So then the Reverend goes, the whole city
Speaker 2: is watching you and so is the mayor. We'll see
Speaker 2: what happens. Craigan goes, oh, I wouldn't waste your time
Speaker 2: with us. The cameras are down there, and the Reverend
Speaker 2: runs straight to the media. He is a fame wore.
Speaker 2: So Benson runs to Brian and he introduces himself as
Speaker 2: IAB so they can't talk and Benson just keeps running.
Speaker 2: She meets up with Tomorrow and the blonde delegate d
Speaker 2: d or whatever, who leaves after Benson rushes her out.
Speaker 2: She warns Tomorrow, it's a circus out there, so we're
Speaker 2: going to take you out the back door, and she
Speaker 2: does have to inform him the gun has not been
Speaker 2: found and the older brother is still missing, and Yusuf
Speaker 2: is alive, thank god, but one bullet did hit his spine,
Speaker 2: but they don't know what it means, and Tomorrow goes,
Speaker 2: yeah they do, so dramatic music plays and Tomorrow is sad.
Speaker 2: We open on walking into the woodblind's room and announcing
Speaker 2: that the kid may be piraalized. The doctor did say
Speaker 2: that Tomorrow saved use of slice, but yeah, wheelchair. Then
Speaker 2: Craigan is like, okay, so does use have have a
Speaker 2: criminal record? I don't know, but he's paralyzed now, so
Speaker 2: what Like what the fuck? I just don't understand why
Speaker 2: they can't be like we fucked up. We should be
Speaker 2: in trouble and move on. But then we wouldn't have
Speaker 2: a TV show, and I wouldn't be right.
Speaker 4: And I guess, like if you want to like play
Speaker 4: Devil's Advocate or whatever, if you're watching the episode, like
Speaker 4: the dumb Woman cop goes in from Oranges the New Black,
Speaker 4: and then you just hear.
Speaker 1: Bullets, bullets, bullets, bullets, bullets.
Speaker 4: So in his mind, somebody with a gun is there
Speaker 4: trying to shoot a cop, so he just shoots back,
Speaker 4: you know, like he thinks he's protecting his fellow officer,
Speaker 4: you know. But the way they went about it was
Speaker 4: all idiotic to begin with and not worth it and
Speaker 4: not like and not literally nobody would be injured at
Speaker 4: all if you guys just stayed outside and waited for backup.
Speaker 4: So they say, base, the little brother just has minor
Speaker 4: like street pedaling busts. It's the big brother who's the
Speaker 4: bad boy. So Benson thinks younger brother might work for
Speaker 4: older brother who ran with the gun, and Finn is like, listen,
Speaker 4: the only person who saw him with a gun is
Speaker 4: this female cop. We did a grid search for two blocks.
Speaker 4: There is nothing. The neighbors are clean. Everything is clean.
Speaker 4: So they're dead set on looking for the older brother
Speaker 4: and put pressure on people. So Tomorrow goes to church
Speaker 4: obviously to confess and get advice from his priest. And
Speaker 4: he does confess that he paralyzed a child. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know it's in the news. But the pastor says,
Speaker 4: I'm sure the guilt is a lot and a burden,
Speaker 4: and he says, no, that's the thing. According to my training,
Speaker 4: I did everything I was supposed to do. And he goes, okay,
Speaker 4: how about for your conscience and it's not really clicking.
Speaker 4: So finally goes, what tell me why you feel guilty?
Speaker 4: Was their hate in your heart? And he says no,
Speaker 4: I was just trying to help the other cop and oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know what I wrote, but it's because I
Speaker 4: called the priest a caller boy and that's why I
Speaker 4: was confused. So so the guy in the collar is like, okay,
Speaker 4: then you tell me why you feel guilty, Like, obviously
Speaker 4: all my guesses aren't working.
Speaker 1: Is it because you had a few drinks?
Speaker 4: He said it didn't affect him, but they're gonna say
Speaker 4: it did or that I did it because the kid
Speaker 4: was black, And the priest is like, oh, it's your pride,
Speaker 4: that's what's wounded. He goes, I did everything right, and
Speaker 4: it's like you didn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just shooting into a hallway as correct.
Speaker 4: So then the priest gets it and goes, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: so you feel like you did everything right and yet
Speaker 4: God did not give you the results you expected or deserved.
Speaker 4: And then the clapback is God planned for me to
Speaker 4: paralyze yousef So whatever, they chat about God's plans, but
Speaker 4: one lesson to learn the priest says is, why don't
Speaker 4: you figure out why pride is a sin? Something to
Speaker 4: sit with? Okay, And so the actors playing the priest is,
Speaker 4: I think it's Gabenga akinagbe, thank you, and he's working.
Speaker 4: He's from the wire, he's been a nurse Jackie and
Speaker 4: you know, he really gagged Tomorrow at that point.
Speaker 1: So Amorrow goes off.
Speaker 4: He's not happy about it, and then he does a
Speaker 4: little Catholic hand thing and leaves. So if it and
Speaker 4: Rollind's go to visit McKenna and it is her first
Speaker 4: time being shot, so she's They're like, yeah, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1: You'll get shot again. It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: And so then she says that her deli get told
Speaker 2: her not to answer any questions, and they're like sure.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, iab is going after Tomorrow really hard.
Speaker 2: They think it was his gun and kid the kid's
Speaker 2: gun is gone, Like are you sure you saw a gun?
Speaker 2: She is testy and goes, listen, I saw a flash
Speaker 2: of metal during the deal and in the hallway I
Speaker 2: got hit by a bullet that he fired. She held
Speaker 2: her head down until Amorrow pulled her to safety, so
Speaker 2: she didn't see anything else, but maybe the woman recording
Speaker 2: on her phone did, and Rolind's is like, whoa what woman?
Speaker 1: So then the woman.
Speaker 4: Who like hates cops was in there, and Tomorrow told
Speaker 4: her to get back, but she kept her for recording
Speaker 4: that woman, and so we got to find her. So
Speaker 4: now we have Elizabeth Marvel aka Rita Calhoun Rita Calhoun.
Speaker 4: Both names don't feel real, like I always forget which
Speaker 4: one's her real name and which one's her state name,
Speaker 4: because with Marvel is kind of like an amazing after name.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but that means he's paying for the big guns,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: She's not a cheap lawyer.
Speaker 4: So they walk into a room and Marie Hardy's blonde
Speaker 4: recipe voiced gift from the heavens is here, and in
Speaker 4: the room is also the IAB Dynamic Sexy bad duo.
Speaker 4: There must be like a double team fanfic of Tucker Cassidy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: IAB coming to.
Speaker 1: Enforce the rules.
Speaker 4: There must be two sexy older guys making sure the
Speaker 4: cops aren't fucking up.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: So they all sit down and they're ready for the meeting,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't like that. Cassidy's going to be asking
Speaker 2: the questions, but he is training, so he has to
Speaker 2: and it's tense. They asked you, did you announced yourself,
Speaker 2: did you see the gun? You had drinks?
Speaker 1: Did you?
Speaker 4: And the amarro gets sassy and goes, why don't you
Speaker 4: go test the holes in the walls and they're.
Speaker 1: Like we yeah, we're doing that, thanks, thanks, we are.
Speaker 2: And so then with the drinks, the line of questioning
Speaker 2: is amazing because he's at Cassidy's apartment, so like he
Speaker 2: was drinking in front of Cassidy, Like this is wild.
Speaker 2: So then they bring up like, you also didn't let
Speaker 2: the nurse take your blood, and Marvel interrupts quickly and goes,
Speaker 2: that was the delegate. But IAB does not like that,
Speaker 2: and Cassidy is now interviewing all our friends on camera
Speaker 2: and goes, yeah, he was sober. Rollins goes, yeah, they
Speaker 2: said that the suspect was armed, but also she did
Speaker 2: not see a gun. And now it's Benson in the
Speaker 2: interview room and she goes, I didn't serve him, and
Speaker 2: Tucker says, stopping, cute, detective, it was your apartment.
Speaker 1: Was he served?
Speaker 2: She says, of maybe two glasses of wine over two hours,
Speaker 2: and he ate dinner and he was unimpaired. Tucker goes,
Speaker 2: they're going to ask you this on the stand. Is
Speaker 2: that what you're going to say under oath? And it
Speaker 2: hits her like, oh, fuck, you want this to go
Speaker 2: to trial. So then we leave the interrogation montage to
Speaker 2: the elevator doors at the precinct opening up. Benson's telling
Speaker 2: Craigan like, fuck, Tucker, let it slip. He wants this
Speaker 2: to go to trial. Craigan reassures her it's not going
Speaker 2: to be Tucker's call. He's like, it's the regime change,
Speaker 2: and she goes okay, and their first act is to
Speaker 2: crucify Amorrow.
Speaker 1: He is not innocent, and she is.
Speaker 2: So loud and they walk into the office and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: overhears the conversation and Benson's like, oh, Nick, are you
Speaker 2: sure you should be here? Rollins pops up like yep,
Speaker 2: I told him to be here, And she has footage
Speaker 2: from the cell phone of the shooting. So the footage
Speaker 2: is on a website and basically we see the running.
Speaker 2: We see that like he kicks her the woman out,
Speaker 2: but the subtitles and what they make the video seem
Speaker 2: like as Tomorrow goes speak English like kind of rude
Speaker 2: like ghosts like speak English verse. He doesn't speak English,
Speaker 2: which is a huge difference, I would say. And so
Speaker 2: Tomorrow slams the laptop and he goes, this is useless
Speaker 2: and bullshit fuck, and I mean.
Speaker 4: It's it's just him shooting a kid into a hallway.
Speaker 4: But he feels set up.
Speaker 2: So now they're going to go find the og clip,
Speaker 2: not the edited one, and see if that helps at all.
Speaker 2: But before they all dispersed to go work, Cassidy and
Speaker 2: Tucker walk in and Yusuf had no guns shot residue
Speaker 2: on him at all. The only shots fired came from
Speaker 2: McKenna's gun, and Amorrow's that's it. There's no third gun
Speaker 2: and it was never fired. McKenna was shot on accident
Speaker 2: by her own gun. And she's also saying that she
Speaker 2: didn't shoot, that she tripped and her finger was on
Speaker 2: the trigger and that's why it even shot. She said
Speaker 2: she tripped and fell and did not mean to shoot.
Speaker 2: So Cragan's like, sure, but Amaro believed that a fellow
Speaker 2: officer had been shot by the perp and he was
Speaker 2: trying to save her, and Tucker says maybe, but McKenna's
Speaker 2: refusing to cooperate in any way. So he risked everything
Speaker 2: to help his fellow officer, and she's just like, I
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 1: I tripped, it was an accident, and I had no
Speaker 1: idea why he was there. So also we.
Speaker 4: Find out his blood alcohol was point zero four to
Speaker 4: nine and that's two hours after the shooting, so he
Speaker 4: could have actually been impaired.
Speaker 1: And Tomorrow hands over his badge. No one even has
Speaker 1: to ask.
Speaker 2: He knows what's up, and at nine am he needs
Speaker 2: to turn himself in. Craigan says that this is a farce,
Speaker 2: arresting him before he's even been indicted, and Tucker tells
Speaker 2: him he better get his affairs in order. They all
Speaker 2: rally around tomorrow and we go straight to court. Calhoun
Speaker 2: in court is like, hey, they're rushing. This is an overcharge.
Speaker 2: This is a decorated career officer, and they want a release,
Speaker 2: and the judge says, hell, no, bail is half a
Speaker 2: million dollars, and then Calhoun goes, is this punitive or political?
Speaker 4: The judge ignores her. He calls for the bailiff and
Speaker 4: he wants the next case brought in. He's scared that
Speaker 4: he doesn't have that kind of money and h you know.
Speaker 4: Rita Calhoun goes, you have a house, you know, put
Speaker 4: it up and he's like, fuck, I have to message
Speaker 4: my wife we're separated, but.
Speaker 1: She says she better sign it. So they're going to
Speaker 1: put the house up.
Speaker 2: The media, there's a frenzy the reverends talking to the
Speaker 2: cameras about change. And then the older brother went to
Speaker 2: check in on the younger brother at the hospital. So
Speaker 2: they found him and they're holding him but she's not
Speaker 2: telling iab and told them not to and basically they're
Speaker 2: being shady, but they're going to go talk to the
Speaker 2: brother first. So Benson goes, okay, yeah, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: chat with him, see if he can help us, like
Speaker 2: why would he? But also why would he help the
Speaker 2: person that paralyzed his brother. So we're in a cement
Speaker 2: room bars and Rollins is like, we know that Yusuf
Speaker 2: was selling cop for you, and he says, Yusef delivered
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: That's it. He never sold it. Rollins asks why did
Speaker 1: he run?
Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, captain obvious because cops kill black
Speaker 4: people and you were chasing him, so why wouldn't he
Speaker 4: be running? So then he goes, yeah, you're always fucking
Speaker 4: with us, always an excuse, whether a permit or a fine,
Speaker 4: You're always going to find a way to bother us.
Speaker 4: Finn asks why did you run, and he's like, you
Speaker 4: shot my brother, wouldn't you run to so knock knock.
Speaker 4: Benson goes to visit Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Zara is there and Grandma Amorro and Zara wants to play,
Speaker 2: but weird Time girl Weird Time puts it down, so
Speaker 2: she asks how he's doing, which also again everyone is
Speaker 2: being stupid Right now, things are not good, so Omorrow
Speaker 2: decides to channel his anger and hating Benson's boyfriend Brian Cassidy,
Speaker 2: and that Brian is enjoying this, that he's a sicko,
Speaker 2: he's leaking files, he's sam bagging me in the press,
Speaker 2: and she's like no, no, no, he hates this.
Speaker 1: She is like, you're being paranoid.
Speaker 4: This is about one Pp, Like one Ppe wants to
Speaker 4: make you a fall guye not Brian, and he's like,
Speaker 4: whatever you say.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, we all have your back. That bang, bang
Speaker 2: bang bullet shots through the window and he runs to
Speaker 2: protect Zara asks if she's okay. Everyone is super scared
Speaker 2: but physically fine. Benson calls for backup for shots fired.
Speaker 2: She walks out gun out. She finds the gunmen and
Speaker 2: they are young black men who put their hands up
Speaker 2: right away and go what are we next? Benson asked
Speaker 2: for them to explain themselves, and they say, we didn't
Speaker 2: see nothing. Amaro runs out with a baseball bat, screaming
Speaker 2: they're lying. One of the men respond maybe if someone
Speaker 2: saw you with a gun. He keeps yelling, oh, you're
Speaker 2: shooting my house with my daughter inside, and it's like
Speaker 2: you did the same thing. Yeah, you ran into someone's
Speaker 2: apartment building and shot them where their parents were right there,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, tzara you got Like now you know
Speaker 2: how it feels.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything that been a tzara.
Speaker 4: But it's like, why would someone shooting into your windows
Speaker 4: be any less like or any more bad.
Speaker 1: Than what you did? Yeah? But whatever.
Speaker 2: So he screams cuffum, cuffam now, and this is all
Speaker 2: being taped. So they say, well, you imagined a gun
Speaker 2: and there wasn't one, and he gets frustrated and then
Speaker 2: he hits the garbage can with the baseball bat. Craigan
Speaker 2: arrives and he says that they found a twenty two
Speaker 2: in the sewer. Great, and they're bringing two of the
Speaker 2: three kids in. So basically they didn't find this this
Speaker 2: gun that was shot into Tomorrow's window. And Tucker arrives
Speaker 2: on the scene, Craigan jumps up, we got this. Benson, then,
Speaker 2: in shocking news, says that she called him in. She says, Nick,
Speaker 2: I had to. Nick screams at Tucker, they shot through
Speaker 2: my windows with my mother and child inside, and Tucker goes,
Speaker 2: I get the pain and upsetness, but you can't go
Speaker 2: after civilians with a baseball bat. Oh, but they can
Speaker 2: shoot at me, and Benson tells him to stop. Craigan says,
Speaker 2: like they shot at his daughter, and Tucker goes, I understand,
Speaker 2: and I get it, but I have to investigate. So
Speaker 2: then Benson asked Tucker to please give us a minute,
Speaker 2: but before he steps outside, he tells Tomorrow he gets
Speaker 2: it and he would have done the same thing or worse.
Speaker 2: So Craigan down to business. We got to get you
Speaker 2: and your family out of here. But he's ahead of that.
Speaker 2: His mom's going to take Zara home and then they're
Speaker 2: going to go to DC tomorrow. Kraigan asks, well, what's
Speaker 2: your plan. Amara responds that he's good right where he is,
Speaker 2: you know, same old, same old hero cop talk. Benson
Speaker 2: tells him to come home with her, and he's like, gross,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to where Cassidy lives. She goes, come on,
Speaker 2: I have a comfy couch, Like I don't know, okay,
Speaker 2: they always get witnesses hotel rooms, like, get him a
Speaker 2: hotel room.
Speaker 1: Whatever she asks. She like begs. She goes, please just
Speaker 1: try it out for a few days.
Speaker 2: So he grims, and then it cuts to black and
Speaker 2: I really don't think they should be together, him and Cassidy,
Speaker 2: but okay, So then Amaro listens to Benson and he's
Speaker 2: taking the big couch and he's on the phone with
Speaker 2: Maria while Benson is setting up his couch for sleepy time.
Speaker 1: He hangs up pissed.
Speaker 2: She wants full custody to let least the trial is over,
Speaker 2: and Benson does feel sad for him. Yeah, like he
Speaker 2: can't really argue with her. It is safer for Zara
Speaker 2: to be with her mother. And if he gets convicted,
Speaker 2: He's like, what then Zara can come visit me in prison.
Speaker 2: Benson stops him and says, stop catastrophizing. And he's like, bitch,
Speaker 2: too late for that, Are you kidding me? He's already
Speaker 2: thinking like maybe I should cut a deal. And then
Speaker 2: he goes, you know who I missed right now, Munch,
Speaker 2: and Benson says they all do. So Brian walks in and.
Speaker 4: Says, hi, babe, and then he does say hi to Nick,
Speaker 4: and Nick looks forward. He will not look at him,
Speaker 4: he will not respond to him. And then Brian asks
Speaker 4: about Zarro, so he does say she's fine, but she's
Speaker 4: still like he still will not look at Cassidy and
Speaker 4: is just seething it is wild to be like, come
Speaker 4: back and stay at my apartment with my IAB and
Speaker 4: training boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, it's just not what would happen. It's insane.
Speaker 2: So Craigan's in the office and he's spying in the
Speaker 2: glass where Amorrow's in the cement room talking to Munch
Speaker 2: on his cell phone. Craigan walks in and he says
Speaker 2: that Munch thinks he should take a deal and get
Speaker 2: this over with. He said, just because your paranoid doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you don't have enemies.
Speaker 1: Pretty good Munch.
Speaker 2: Craigan reassures Nick, like, bro, you're a good cop. But
Speaker 2: cops do make enemies. Omaro looks up and goes, so
Speaker 2: you agree, I should take the deal if I can
Speaker 2: keep my pension and just do it, and Craigan goes,
Speaker 2: I can't make that decision for you, Nick, But then
Speaker 2: he asks, have you ever thought what your life would
Speaker 2: be like without the badge? And he doesn't know, So
Speaker 2: maybe he should move to DC, he could be closer
Speaker 2: to Zara up security work, and they both sit down.
Speaker 2: Craigan goes, sure, but like this might stick with you,
Speaker 2: Amaro goes, no, I know, I'm damn no matter what.
Speaker 1: This sucks.
Speaker 2: So then Craigan leans in and says, I wish I
Speaker 2: could say NYPD looks out for their own, but I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie to you. Nick nods and spaces out
Speaker 2: and has a lot of thinking to do. So now
Speaker 2: we cut to the office of Special Prosecutor Derek Strauss's
Speaker 2: office played by Greg Jerman. German, I don't know, you
Speaker 2: might not know his name, but you recognize this face
Speaker 2: like he is. He's been in a few s views,
Speaker 2: but also he was in Ali McBeal and Gray's in Anatomy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of looks like him. And Josh Picce
Speaker 1: can be like brothers or something. He has kind of
Speaker 1: like that look to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but doesn't he also look like like a Dax Shepherd.
Speaker 1: I feel like he also looks like Deker older. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's Ali.
Speaker 2: Mcbeale, Grey's anatomy And the meeting is with him, Calhoun
Speaker 2: and Tomorrow and he he goes, so, how's your son,
Speaker 2: and Tomorrow doesn't correct him. He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm good,
Speaker 2: and Derek says, well, you know, it's a tragic situation
Speaker 2: for everyone.
Speaker 1: Calhoun just wants to get to it. She's all business.
Speaker 1: She has a lot of cases. She says.
Speaker 2: He's willing to plead guilty to misdemeanor reckless endangerment, willing
Speaker 2: to leave the department but keep pension and no jail time.
Speaker 2: The dude is like, he's going to have to serve
Speaker 2: some sort of time, babe, Like, how about one year probation.
Speaker 2: She agrees for Nick and says that's fine as long
Speaker 2: as there's no felony charge on his record, but that
Speaker 2: might be an issue because they really want him to
Speaker 2: plead guilty to a hate crime. Nick scoffs stunned a
Speaker 2: hate crime. He screams where is this coming from Reverend Curtis,
Speaker 2: I am not a racist. Calhoun whips her head around
Speaker 2: and says, Nick, easy. So then Derek then has to
Speaker 2: explain you shot a black fourteen year old. And then
Speaker 2: when after two other black kids in the street with
Speaker 2: a baseball bat, Nick jumps up from his chair and says,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: I'm done, runs off, as Derek yells, oh, don't worry,
Speaker 2: this is only the beginning. So Calhoun catches up to
Speaker 2: Nick and I love the sound of her heels on
Speaker 2: the marble court lot before clickity clacking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that amorro's a good sound.
Speaker 4: It is, it's and it's sustained because she's like chasing him,
Speaker 4: so it takes a little while, so we get a
Speaker 4: lot of little clicks.
Speaker 2: Amaro says, this has nothing to do with hate. She responds,
Speaker 2: do you seriously think you can count on a jury
Speaker 2: from them to know what was in your heart? And
Speaker 2: then she says, this is why I like defending criminals.
Speaker 2: They're much less trusting. So he won't admit to something
Speaker 2: he didn't do, and if that's pride, he doesn't care,
Speaker 2: because you know he knows the grand jury's going to
Speaker 2: indict him either way.
Speaker 1: So it's grand jury.
Speaker 4: Time Derek versus Calhoun McKenna and like Derek is just
Speaker 4: such a like douche name.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 4: Okay, So McKenna is on the stand and it is
Speaker 4: I mentioned this like.
Speaker 2: All cops are rah rah rah, like we're in it
Speaker 2: for each other except this one woman, even though Tomorrow
Speaker 2: like tried his best, but she's taking care of her
Speaker 2: ass like she might be on the chopping block too,
Speaker 2: or like had to do this, Like I wonder what
Speaker 2: conversation since I ab had with her? Yeah, like why
Speaker 2: not also try to indict her and stuff. She's a
Speaker 2: huge part of this. I feel like, how do we
Speaker 2: I guess the one that saw the gun? And they
Speaker 2: also tested bullets right, like it's not her bullet hit
Speaker 2: the kid. Yeah, they probably tested right her her own
Speaker 2: bullet hit herself, like she shouldn't be an officer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not good, Yeah you tripped, you fell, and then
Speaker 2: a ricochet bullet shot yeah, and she said I'm going
Speaker 2: in when Tomorrow told her not to do that, you know,
Speaker 2: when Amara was like don't you know, yeah, dumb bitch,
Speaker 2: So Mitch alert, she says he did not verbalize he
Speaker 2: was a cop, but he did flash a badge and
Speaker 2: says that Omaro just started shooting immediately after she accidentally
Speaker 2: fired her gun. Now we have the nurse with the
Speaker 2: blood draw delay and she goes, it was a forty
Speaker 2: minute delay and zero point oh five like right under
Speaker 2: that is legally impaired.
Speaker 4: Robins now is on the stand and she stands by
Speaker 4: her man. So she walks out and they ask her
Speaker 4: how it is, and basically Rollins goes, well, it sucks
Speaker 4: because Derek can say things in the grand jury that
Speaker 4: he can't say in the courtroom. So there's a lot
Speaker 4: of insinuations. And Finn confirms like, oh yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 4: So now we see the boy in the wheelchair and
Speaker 4: a gaggle of people around him, and Tomorrow sees him
Speaker 4: and it's like okay, well he testifies, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be indicted for sure. Maybe I should just take a plea,
Speaker 4: and it's like, yay, you paralyze the young fourteen year olds,
Speaker 4: like yeah, the people want.
Speaker 1: To indict you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then Craigan is like, listen, I can't tell you
Speaker 2: what to do, but if you take that hate crime plea,
Speaker 2: you will not be able to live with yourself. So
Speaker 2: the squad stands in a circle supporting him before walking off.
Speaker 2: And now we're back outside the court the next day
Speaker 2: and it's Calhoun and Benson and Tomorrow, and they're talking
Speaker 2: him out of going in front of the grand jury.
Speaker 2: They're like, Derek can ask you anything he wants and
Speaker 2: it can all be used against you. Calhoun calls it
Speaker 2: a cardinal sin to go up. Well, but also I
Speaker 2: think shooting a child too cardinal sin.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's tomorrow, Like be a little self aware, like
Speaker 4: you're not good under pressure, like you know, like you
Speaker 4: will fuck up on the stale, like you if somebody
Speaker 4: baits you, you are going to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't want it. She's like, you're being investigated.
Speaker 2: You really can't.
Speaker 4: I can't be there with you, he's gonna say, and
Speaker 4: but Amara wants to do it, so he doesn't want
Speaker 4: them to.
Speaker 2: He's gonna do it. So now Derek humiliates him. First
Speaker 2: question out, he goes, so you were drunk and shot
Speaker 2: an unarmed boy. Do you still maintain you did everything right?
Speaker 2: And he said, there was a female officer down. I
Speaker 2: did what I was trained to do. Derek goes a
Speaker 2: female officer, Amoro corrects himself, officer, but the damage has
Speaker 2: been done and he and Derek says, well, you know,
Speaker 2: the last time you brought out your gun was to
Speaker 2: protect another female officer, So is that what happens you
Speaker 2: just draw your gun out every time you see a
Speaker 2: woman in danger. Is like all your reason goes out
Speaker 2: the window. And he said, I made the only decision
Speaker 2: I could under the circumstances. So then Derek recaps the
Speaker 2: night you at drinks, you didn't announce yourself during the chase.
Speaker 2: Then McKenna went around the corner, tripped and shot herself
Speaker 2: without visual confirmation that she's been fired at.
Speaker 4: And then without looking, you poked your gun around the
Speaker 4: wall and started firing. He goes, yeah, until I ascertained
Speaker 4: that the firing stopped, and Derek goes, you are the
Speaker 4: only one shooting, so you stop firing when you stop firing.
Speaker 4: He defends himself that he couldn't know those bullets were ricocheting.
Speaker 4: He says that the hallway was an echo chamber, and
Speaker 4: he's like, fuck, you know, it's so easy for you
Speaker 4: to judge in hindsight, and it took CSU twenty four
Speaker 4: hours to figure out what you expected me to figure.
Speaker 1: Out in that moment.
Speaker 4: And that is the one good point he has made
Speaker 4: all episode, where yeah, in hindsight, we're all talking about it,
Speaker 4: but but you're also a professional, and you were also
Speaker 4: in the military. But but they're also but like also
Speaker 4: the show is trying to confuse you because like in
Speaker 4: that moment, you are hearing bullets being discharged from a gun.
Speaker 4: You're not hearing ricochets like I was hearing bullets being fired.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but you're not trained. He should be better
Speaker 2: than us.
Speaker 1: Yes. True.
Speaker 2: He then asks if it would have been easier for
Speaker 2: him to figure it out if he hadn't been drinking,
Speaker 2: or if McKenna was chasing a fourteen year old white
Speaker 2: girl and we brought that up. There's no way they
Speaker 2: would have chased the fourte year old white girl. No way,
Speaker 2: There's no fucking way, no way there are. The camera
Speaker 2: goes to a black woman juror who is looking him
Speaker 2: up and down with a grin like you've been gotten,
Speaker 2: you fool. Derek had no more questions and amorrow is
Speaker 2: asked to step down, and then another juror, also a
Speaker 2: black woman, asks wait, we can ask something right.
Speaker 1: Derek allows it.
Speaker 2: She asks, detective, do you think it would have made
Speaker 2: a difference that night if you hadn't been drinking? Tomorrow? Answers, ma'am,
Speaker 2: My judgment was not impaired. She asks another question, like okay,
Speaker 2: and like that lawyer said if it had been a
Speaker 2: fourteen year old white girl. He says, I did not
Speaker 2: shoot yousif because he's black. Shelian's back and says, so
Speaker 2: you honestly think you did ever everything right. It takes
Speaker 2: them a few moments to gather himself, and he says,
Speaker 2: there's no right way to shoot a fourteen year old boy,
Speaker 2: cripple him and put him in a wheelchair. I've always
Speaker 2: prided myself on following my training and my professionalism and
Speaker 2: respect for the law. I've been struggling to reconcile with
Speaker 2: how doing everything right can lead to such a horribly
Speaker 2: wrong result.
Speaker 1: Tears are welled up in his eyes.
Speaker 4: But if it was that situation again, would I do
Speaker 4: the same thing?
Speaker 1: Yes? But do I regret yes? Yes I do. So
Speaker 1: if you regret it, why would you do everything the
Speaker 1: same way? Okay?
Speaker 4: So she's deep in thought. Everyone on the jury is
Speaker 4: like thinking honestly.
Speaker 2: So Amaro was standing in the hallway as Benson approaches
Speaker 2: and asks if he wants to take a walk, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't because Calhoun said this would be fast. They
Speaker 2: only need thirteen people to indict. Calhoun walks over to him,
Speaker 2: but before Calhoun can even say anything, Nick says, you
Speaker 2: are right, counselor, this was a mistake, and she goes, no,
Speaker 2: I was wrong. Tenant, dight and eight didn't want to
Speaker 2: He is free to go. Oh wow, she is going
Speaker 2: to tell the press that the DA overreached, and Benson
Speaker 2: thanks Rita. She spins away, ready to make the mayor
Speaker 2: and commissioner like trip all over their shit and all
Speaker 2: all over their ties.
Speaker 1: She what was she gonna say? Balls, trip all over
Speaker 1: their balls? I think that's what I think that's the
Speaker 1: that's a saying yeah, but she says ties walk over
Speaker 1: your dicks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a little dirty humor. I was gonna go
Speaker 4: have a martini afterwork. So Benson says cynic like, let's
Speaker 4: get the hell out of here. But then we get
Speaker 4: a glimpse of usif surrounded by his family in a wheelchair,
Speaker 4: and that is bullshit, Like I to not indict this
Speaker 4: cop who paralyzed this kid, because I wonder if there's
Speaker 4: no indict if they can still do a civil trial
Speaker 4: and like sue the department or not you can, okay,
Speaker 4: so that at least, but I mean, I don't I
Speaker 4: can't imagine how this family is feeling right now, like
Speaker 4: that they're like that their son doesn't fucking matter. So
Speaker 4: then Nick decides to go talk to them, which is
Speaker 4: a bullshit decision.
Speaker 2: Leave them alone. He can't walk, so then Reverend Curtis
Speaker 2: stops him, thank God, like, Nick, get the fuck over
Speaker 2: yourself and says, now's not the time, officer, while putting
Speaker 2: his hands up to stop him from getting any closer
Speaker 2: to the family. And Nick does walk away, but really slowly,
Speaker 2: and he still looks at them, and he breathes really
Speaker 2: deep and then bites his lip and he starts to cry.
Speaker 2: So now he's back at work at the desk, and
Speaker 2: Craigan puts his badge back on his desk and Nick asks, like,
Speaker 2: what does one PP want? So after two days of negotiations,
Speaker 2: he's looking at command discipline, anger management, and mandatory retraining
Speaker 2: to be done using vacation days, and for the moment,
Speaker 2: he's on desk duty until Benson says he's not, and
Speaker 2: she looks up from her desk and goes, what And
Speaker 2: Finn's listening now too, and Craigan asks for their attention
Speaker 2: from everybody and says, listen up. He didn't want to
Speaker 2: announce this until Nick's situation got resolved, and now that
Speaker 2: it's done, so is he he is leaving? Robin screams
Speaker 2: what now? So Tomorrow stands up and is like, if
Speaker 2: this is part of the deal, then fuck this. Craig goes, Nope,
Speaker 2: this is my call. I'm going to travel around the
Speaker 2: world with Eileen. She got us two tickets for a
Speaker 2: six month cruise. And he's accrued enough leave too, like
Speaker 2: he can take all of his leave until his mandatory retirement.
Speaker 2: So basically he would make less money if he stayed
Speaker 2: than if he left. And Rollin starts to tear up
Speaker 2: and says, well, if anyone's earned it, and he's honored
Speaker 2: and grateful to Rick was such a great group of detectives,
Speaker 2: and he says that the finest he knows, and he's proud.
Speaker 1: He's proud of them.
Speaker 2: He says, Nick, you will get through this because you're
Speaker 2: a good cop and a good man Amanda, he was
Speaker 2: never sorry for bringing her up from Atlanta, and he
Speaker 2: would do it again. And then Finn, he says, for
Speaker 2: a guy who should have never been an SVU detective,
Speaker 2: you're okay. He says right back at you, captain, and
Speaker 2: nobody can ever take your place, and Craigan says, well
Speaker 2: for the meantime, Detective Benson will it's not easy going
Speaker 2: from player to coach, so don't bust her chops, and
Speaker 2: then he leans into Benson and says, if they do,
Speaker 2: just give.
Speaker 1: It right back.
Speaker 2: And then everyone claps, and I do love merch because
Speaker 2: black manicure it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Everyone claps, keep.
Speaker 4: Clapping, and he's now packing up his office and Benson
Speaker 4: comes into chat. Benson says, we got to throw you
Speaker 4: a party. He goes, I don't like parties, and she giggles.
Speaker 4: He says this is good word of advice. She says please,
Speaker 4: and they giggle again. He says, I gave my whole
Speaker 4: life to the NYPD and I forgot to live my
Speaker 4: own me and Eileen, that's a hail Mary, that's my
Speaker 4: shot at happiness. People used to say this to me
Speaker 4: all the time, and I never understood what they meant,
Speaker 4: but take care of yourself. She smiles a tender smile.
Speaker 4: He says, you deserve it.
Speaker 1: They hug.
Speaker 2: He takes his bag of stuff on the way out
Speaker 2: and says, oh, and Olivia do something with the place.
Speaker 1: Will you?
Speaker 4: And that's dick well baby, And she does do something
Speaker 4: with the place. She turns it into a sleek, modern future. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I profiling place. I miss the way the priestcinct used
Speaker 4: to look. I'm gonna be honest, thank you Lisa for
Speaker 4: walking us through that very wild episode.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not going to look up from here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that. So Ramarlee Graham.
Speaker 4: This is the case of Vermarley Graham, who was eighteen
Speaker 4: years old born in Jamaica, but was living in the
Speaker 4: Bronx in twenty twelve. And on February second of twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: a narcotics unit was taking out a bodega on East
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty eighth Street in the Bronx. I
Speaker 4: think it's the Wakefield neighborhood of the Bronx where a
Speaker 4: tipster told them drugs were being sold again, drugs, Like
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody said, hey, there's a cartel there
Speaker 4: with tons and tons of heroin. It sounds like it's
Speaker 4: baggies of weed and coke passing between people. Like it
Speaker 4: doesn't sound like it's, you know, massive quantities. I understand
Speaker 4: that drugs are a problem, but I have a problem
Speaker 4: with the war on drugs a little bit. Officers reportedly
Speaker 4: saw three men leaving the bodega, and they said that
Speaker 4: they observed the butt of a gun on Romarley Graham,
Speaker 4: who they claimed was adjusting it in the waistband of
Speaker 4: his pants. So this a man with the most hilariously
Speaker 4: named cop of all time, Richard Haste. Officer Richard Haste,
Speaker 4: like you know, Haste is like when you work without thinking,
Speaker 4: you go too quickly, and Officer John McLaughlin were in
Speaker 4: a police van for prisoners and they saw Graham on
Speaker 4: the street and they followed him. The police at first
Speaker 4: claimed that Ramarley ran away from them, but that was
Speaker 4: later debunked when surveillance footage showed him walking casually as
Speaker 4: the police followed him. And then Richard Hays followed Graham
Speaker 4: into the apartment building that he shared with his grandmother,
Speaker 4: even though he did not have permission to enter that home.
Speaker 1: And that's probably why they said that he.
Speaker 4: Was running so that they could claim that they were
Speaker 4: in pursuit, because then I think cops can enter our
Speaker 4: places if they're in hot pursuit. But they can't. They
Speaker 4: can't just go into places without warrens. So when Hays
Speaker 4: got to the apartment, Romarley was in the bathroom dumping
Speaker 4: a small amount of marijuana into the toilet, trying to
Speaker 4: flush it. So this is like a kid that's like, fuck,
Speaker 4: I don't want the cops to bust me for weed
Speaker 4: flushing a tiny bit of weed in tinfoil. And his
Speaker 4: grandmother's right there, and like that's what is like the
Speaker 4: punishment for a small amount of weed in America. If
Speaker 4: you're a cop, it's like you like you just basically
Speaker 4: get to kill them. So the idiot cop shot multiple
Speaker 4: rounds into this eighteen year old and murdered him right
Speaker 4: in front of his grandmother. He so unfortunately he wasn't
Speaker 4: saved by the cop like in this episode. He did die,
Speaker 4: and the cop later claimed that he thought Romarley was
Speaker 4: reaching for a gun in his waistband and that he
Speaker 4: heard another officer say, I see the weapon. It's on him,
Speaker 4: so much like in this episode, it was like secondhand
Speaker 4: information about what other officers were telling each other.
Speaker 1: And guess what, there was no fucking gun. There was
Speaker 1: never a gun.
Speaker 4: Okay, there was no brother going out the window like
Speaker 4: in the episode. There was just no fucking gun at all.
Speaker 4: Like I think they found a toy gun in the
Speaker 4: backyard of the house. That's as close to a gun
Speaker 4: as they found. So originally hayste is put on desk duty.
Speaker 4: Then he is charged with slaughter, and so he was
Speaker 4: indicted and charged with manslaughter. But then a judge had
Speaker 4: to dismiss the charges. This is in May of twenty
Speaker 4: thirteen because they found that the prosecution had given improper
Speaker 4: instructions to the grand jury that indicted him, and the
Speaker 4: judge was pissed. Like the judge was named Justice Stephen
Speaker 4: Barrett said, quote with not great pleasure, I'm obliged in.
Speaker 1: This case to dismiss the charges.
Speaker 4: So they instructed him them based on something that involved
Speaker 4: what the cop was told by other cops and that
Speaker 4: made it that placed in importance on it that it
Speaker 4: didn't need to be placed on it, that would have
Speaker 4: come out in trial later, and they said that could
Speaker 4: have influenced the indictment.
Speaker 1: So they had to dismiss that.
Speaker 4: Trial, and then another grand jury, much like in this episode,
Speaker 4: decided not to charge him. So this was the So
Speaker 4: basically he's saying I saw gun. His lawyers are trying
Speaker 4: to say this was an officer trying to get a
Speaker 4: gun off the streets, trying to help people try like
Speaker 4: and everyone else is like, no, this is absolute bullshit
Speaker 4: like this. It's also it's like weed, what are you
Speaker 4: talking about? So this is in twenty twelve. An NYPD
Speaker 4: officer had not been charged in a case involving a
Speaker 4: police shooting since two thousand and seven, when three detectives
Speaker 4: were charged in the murder of Sean Bell, which was
Speaker 4: huge when I was living in New York, Like, that
Speaker 4: was in the papers every day. This was a guy
Speaker 4: who was shot on his wedding day, like outside. It
Speaker 4: was basically he was outside of a strip club. I
Speaker 4: think his bachelor party had been the night before. He
Speaker 4: was shot by these cops outside of a strip club
Speaker 4: in Queen's.
Speaker 1: And it was the day he was supposed to get married.
Speaker 4: It was horrible and it was all over the news
Speaker 4: back when I lived in New York. And it's been
Speaker 4: five years since any cop has been charged, and a
Speaker 4: lot of anger about police brutality and racial profileing by
Speaker 4: the police had sort of faded, and now this murder
Speaker 4: of Romarley Graham brought it all back into the forefront.
Speaker 4: So when the judge dismissed the case, obviously Ramarley's family
Speaker 4: was like screaming and angry in the court. But when
Speaker 4: hayeswapped out, cops were in line, high fiving him as
Speaker 4: he walked out, of course, so eventually the city did
Speaker 4: pay Ramarley Graham's family three point nine million dollars in
Speaker 4: a civil suit. So they did get a civil judgment.
Speaker 4: But five years after the shooting, which happened in twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: this is now twenty seventeen, there was an internal NYPD
Speaker 4: investigation into haste handling of the shooting. Prosecutors were looking
Speaker 4: to get Haste fired and they said he never should
Speaker 4: have entered the apartment alone or kicked down the bathroom door,
Speaker 4: and one of the prosecutors, Beth Douglas said, quote Officer
Speaker 4: Hayse was completely exposed and used none of the tactics
Speaker 4: that were taught to him in the department end quote.
Speaker 4: And his lawyers again tried to argue, this is a
Speaker 4: hero trying to keep it going off the streets. But
Speaker 4: eventually he was found guilty in the NYPD disciplinary review,
Speaker 4: which ruled that he had used poor tactical judgment and
Speaker 4: recommended his dismissal. And so he had been on the
Speaker 4: force for not even ten years. He had been on
Speaker 4: since two thousand and eight. So twenty seventeen, he gets
Speaker 4: indict not indicted, but he gets found guilty by this
Speaker 4: disciplinary review and.
Speaker 1: He tenders his resignation two days later.
Speaker 4: The disciplinary review board also said that right after Ramarley
Speaker 4: locked himself in his apartment, officers should have retreated, but
Speaker 4: this idiot had to like go off and go in.
Speaker 4: So they they, you know, were like, this is not
Speaker 4: how we train people. So officer has, uh, just like
Speaker 4: Amorrow had the whole plea deal thing, which he kind
Speaker 4: of ended up rejecting. This guy, officer has also rejected
Speaker 4: a plea deal. And in the plea deal, he wouldn't
Speaker 4: have had to have the disciplinary hearing. He would have
Speaker 4: just resigned with a small pension. And he thought, no, no,
Speaker 4: the boys in blue are going to back me up.
Speaker 4: But like actually they're like, no, you are actually super dumb.
Speaker 4: And you are too dumb to be a cop. So
Speaker 4: he is off the force and that's the only good
Speaker 4: thing in this story. But sadly Ramartley Graham lost his life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but even just like the pension of it all is
Speaker 4: so annoying where it's like even this three point nine
Speaker 4: million dollars, like that should come out of their probably
Speaker 4: like it sucks because why does it actually hurt them,
Speaker 4: Like the police pay out I think hundreds of millions
Speaker 4: of dollars in wrongful days. Oh yeah, suits and all this,
Speaker 4: but it comes out of our like we pay like
Speaker 4: our taxes pay for that, I know, And that is
Speaker 4: like if I that was like one of my top things.
Speaker 1: I stayed all the time on this pot.
Speaker 4: But they should have to pay for it because there
Speaker 4: were a couple of other kids should have their.
Speaker 1: Way, they should have their like salary garnish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there were a couple of other cases that
Speaker 4: were kind of linked to the Oranges the New Black
Speaker 4: Woman's uh side of it, where cops shot by accident,
Speaker 4: Like one guy shot a kid when he was just
Speaker 4: like unholstering his gun and it went off and like
Speaker 4: those those cops like did get off. But also huge
Speaker 4: civil amounts were awarded to those families as well, So
Speaker 4: which good. But I mean, I don't know how much
Speaker 4: you pay for someone's life. But yeah, you're right, it's
Speaker 4: like it's happening all the time. They are paying millions
Speaker 4: and millions and millions all the time.
Speaker 1: So that's that.
Speaker 4: It's a fucked up case and a fucked up episode.
Speaker 4: But guys, we're about to make your day with an
Speaker 4: amazing guest, so stay right where you are. Our guest
Speaker 4: today truly needs no introduction, but he will get one anyway.
Speaker 4: He is known for his role as Detective Scottie Vallens
Speaker 4: on Cold Case or a drug cartel leader Miguel Galindo
Speaker 4: on My Ens, but you guys know him as the
Speaker 4: lovable hothead detective Nickomarrow. Please enjoy a chat that we
Speaker 4: enjoyed so much with the very talented Danny Pino. Danny Pino, gosh,
Speaker 4: we've been waiting a long time for this.
Speaker 1: We're very excited.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I'm excited too. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: This is huge for USAIC.
Speaker 2: People didn't hear it, but in your soundtrack you mentioned him.
Speaker 2: He was our first cast member guest. Of course he was,
Speaker 2: so it was a big and he was amazing.
Speaker 4: He took out a charcoal drawing of him and the
Speaker 4: monkey and the basketball from an episode in season ten,
Speaker 4: and he was a legend.
Speaker 1: But we are so excited.
Speaker 4: To have you here today so we could talk about
Speaker 4: your illustrious career on Law and Order SVU, but also
Speaker 4: other projects you.
Speaker 1: Have going on.
Speaker 4: When you came onto this show, you'd already been in
Speaker 4: like procedurals like Cold Case and stuff like that, right,
Speaker 4: so you'd been on a procedural before, but you kind
Speaker 4: of came at a time where like Maloney had just
Speaker 4: left and you were like sort of filling these big
Speaker 4: Maloney size shoes.
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 4: Do you remember how like what it was like at
Speaker 4: the beginning. I'm sure by the end it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, the well oiled machine we hear about all
Speaker 4: the time, that is the SVU set, But like, how
Speaker 4: was it when you just walked into the role of Amorrow.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I'm
Speaker 5: excited to revisit Tomorrow. I'm excited to you know, revisit
Speaker 5: Law and Order SVU. Some of the best years of
Speaker 5: my career were spent in that precinct with that crew
Speaker 5: and with that cast and those writers, knowing that we
Speaker 5: were going to talk about Tomorrow's one eighty today, I
Speaker 5: rewatched it and uh, you know, I I'm just so
Speaker 5: proud of the work that we all did there and
Speaker 5: to be counted among that. You know, that legacy and
Speaker 5: Chris Maloney is no different. The legacy that he left.
Speaker 5: His shadow was long. And I didn't really just walk
Speaker 5: into it, you know, it wasn't It wasn't like it
Speaker 5: was presented to me as like you are going to
Speaker 5: be sort of Benson's next partner. In fact, having to
Speaker 5: come and test for the role was something that was mandatory,
Speaker 5: you know, given how big a role it was, and
Speaker 5: how you know, like I said, the legacy of the
Speaker 5: show was sort of at a tipping point. And so
Speaker 5: I flew out to New York, and you know, I
Speaker 5: was among you know, several other actors who they were
Speaker 5: looking to cast. And so when I landed and I
Speaker 5: was the last one to test, I walked on to set.
Speaker 5: It was the most actualized test I've ever been a
Speaker 5: part of. We were actually in the in the conference
Speaker 5: room of the precinct, and we we actually had a
Speaker 5: full crew. They had cameras set up on Dolly's and
Speaker 5: they had lighting. They had cast actors to read opposite
Speaker 5: me who were off book, so it was almost as
Speaker 5: if we were shooting a scene and my character then,
Speaker 5: you know, didn't really have a name. So I just
Speaker 5: I walked onto, you know, onto the set, and I
Speaker 5: remember the actor was asleep, you know, playing playing that character.
Speaker 6: The character was asleep.
Speaker 5: And when I walked onto the set the first time
Speaker 5: to sort of rehearse and kind of get a sense
Speaker 5: as to how we were going to shoot this, I
Speaker 5: looked down and there were a bunch of marks already
Speaker 5: on the floor right And I looked up and you know,
Speaker 5: having done it for a while, I realized, well, they've
Speaker 5: already set up the light and that's probably corresponding with
Speaker 5: the marks. And the camera was already on a Dolly
Speaker 5: on a track, so they had all the movements set up.
Speaker 5: And I called, you know, Michael Green, who became a
Speaker 5: very good friend, you know, after that. I didn't know
Speaker 5: who he was before that, but that was the director
Speaker 5: of photography. I called Michael greenover and I said, how
Speaker 5: vital are these marks? Like do I have to hit
Speaker 5: these particular marks? I mean, who set these marks. They said, well,
Speaker 5: the previous actors who came into audition, the first actor
Speaker 5: set them, and then everybody else sort of like hit
Speaker 5: those marks throughout the day of auditioning.
Speaker 6: And I looked at.
Speaker 5: Michael and I said, would it be okay if we
Speaker 5: lifted the marks? I mean, I don't want to be
Speaker 5: held to what other actors did. I kind of want
Speaker 5: to find this character on my own. And I said,
Speaker 5: and I'm aware that you've set up your lights, and
Speaker 5: I don't want to cause any issues, but I also
Speaker 5: don't feel like I want to step into somebody else's instincts.
Speaker 5: I want to follow my own instincts in the scene.
Speaker 5: And if I'm going to get the role, it'll be
Speaker 5: because I followed my instincts, not because I was trying
Speaker 5: to fit somebody else's sort of parameters. And Michael looked
Speaker 5: up at his lights and he looked at me and
Speaker 5: he's he looked back at the crew that was all,
Speaker 5: you know, uh waiting, and he said, uh, strip the marks, boys, please,
Speaker 5: And so they stripped the marks. And I looked over
Speaker 5: the shoulder, over his shoulder, and Mariushka was standing, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of in the precinct with Dick Wolf and you
Speaker 5: know that whole brain trust watching the audition, and I thought,
Speaker 5: for sure, I'm never going to get this, Like I
Speaker 5: already came in and rocked the boat, and and so
Speaker 5: we found it. We found the scene. I never felt
Speaker 5: like I was replacing Chris Maloney, although obviously I think
Speaker 5: that that's a convenient and probably easy way to phrase it. Thankfully,
Speaker 5: I can't on board with Kelly Giddish, right, and so
Speaker 5: in fact she in terms of the chronology of shooting,
Speaker 5: Kelly started before me.
Speaker 2: Did you guys have kind of like an immediate kinship
Speaker 2: since you both entered in season thirteen?
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think we both We both knew
Speaker 5: that there was a microscope on us, and you know,
Speaker 5: the pressure was high. We felt a certain amount of
Speaker 5: responsibility not only to the show and to the cast
Speaker 5: and to the crew, but also to the fans. You know,
Speaker 5: we wanted to make sure that the fans saw a
Speaker 5: show that they were familiar with but that was new.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we were curious.
Speaker 2: So like when you watch this back or when you
Speaker 2: were reading these scripts, when Tomorrow does go kind of
Speaker 2: rogue or makes these mistakes, what goes through your mind
Speaker 2: when you read, are you like, what the fuck don't
Speaker 2: do this?
Speaker 1: Or you like you have to understand what he's doing,
Speaker 1: or like how is that? When you're reading?
Speaker 5: Well man, you know, mostly exciting, you know, and whatever
Speaker 5: you feel As an actor, you know, I don't know
Speaker 5: how I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm I'm a little bit scared by this,
Speaker 6: this arc.
Speaker 5: You know, how am I gonna How am I going
Speaker 5: to play that without overdoing it? Without under selling it?
Speaker 5: How am I going to stay in the moment and
Speaker 5: really you know, give the character his due, Especially when
Speaker 5: you get great writing, You're like, I just don't want
Speaker 5: to mess this up, you know. So, I mean that's
Speaker 5: really that's really my main focus. You know, I'm a
Speaker 5: fan first, so I get to read, I get to
Speaker 5: read what.
Speaker 6: Is happening for the characters.
Speaker 5: I'm among the first one the first people to find
Speaker 5: out what is going to happen. So it's a page turner,
Speaker 5: especially with you know, with our writing staff. It was
Speaker 5: like I wanted to find out what was going on,
Speaker 5: and and then I pay very close attention to sort
Speaker 5: of what that roller coaster of emotion and anticipation, what's
Speaker 5: going to happen next In that first read, I try
Speaker 5: to pay a lot of attention to that because that's
Speaker 5: essentially the ride that the fans are going to take.
Speaker 6: And so when I.
Speaker 5: Read that first uh, that first read through of the script,
Speaker 5: I don't take notes, I don't highlight anything. It really
Speaker 5: is sitting down for forty five minutes to an hour
Speaker 5: without interruption and just let the story flow through. And
Speaker 5: so that way I know, okay, I'm keenly aware of
Speaker 5: how this story blows.
Speaker 2: You did mention that the character there was no name,
Speaker 2: There was kind of nothing like all the guys you
Speaker 2: were auditioning with.
Speaker 1: Did everyone look different?
Speaker 4: Did they have any idea or did you really create
Speaker 4: this person together and like the name of him? Or
Speaker 4: I also noticed like first scene in the personal fouls
Speaker 4: facial hair, second scene no facial hair, Like did you
Speaker 4: come in with a beer? Did they want to take it? Like,
Speaker 4: I'm just so curious about that.
Speaker 5: I think you know the idea was and I think
Speaker 5: the name came from Warren Light. I'm not sure where
Speaker 5: he came up with the name. I know he likes
Speaker 5: Italian red wine, so it could be that you know
Speaker 5: that a morl comes from that I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: You might have to ask him. The idea that he
Speaker 5: was coming in from an undercover squad was, I think,
Speaker 5: something that we were both keen on. And I also
Speaker 5: wanted to come on and not look like Scottie Vollen's right,
Speaker 5: because Cold Case had essentially just ended, and frankly, I
Speaker 5: wasn't looking to be on another procedural show. In fact,
Speaker 5: when I was first approached about this opportunity, I turned
Speaker 5: it down because I just felt like number one, I
Speaker 5: felt like it wasn't I didn't want to step on
Speaker 5: the same footprint that I had already sort of walked.
Speaker 5: And so I said, you know, let's Cold Case had
Speaker 5: already ended maybe a year before, and I wanted to
Speaker 5: give myself a chance to try something else. And so
Speaker 5: about three days after humbly and gratefully turning down the
Speaker 5: opportunity of being on SVU, I got a call back
Speaker 5: from Dick Wolf and you know, the Wolf camp, and
Speaker 5: they said, well, what do you want to what do
Speaker 5: you want?
Speaker 6: What is it that you want?
Speaker 5: And so that conversation started in earnest in terms of
Speaker 5: shaping the character and how he would be different from
Speaker 5: Scotty Valance and how you know his arc would be
Speaker 5: different from Scotty and that essentially he would be given
Speaker 5: a lot of turmoil and that I'd be able to
Speaker 5: play all of these different levels and shades and whatnot.
Speaker 6: And so that started the conversation in earnest and so
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: That leads back to how do we, you know, close
Speaker 5: a chapter of Cold Case that was so meaningful to me,
Speaker 5: not only as an actor but personally with everybody involved
Speaker 5: on the show and sort of wipe the slate clean
Speaker 5: and show up physically looking different. Uh, so that we
Speaker 5: there's a clean cut between Scottie Vollen's and Nickomarrow.
Speaker 6: And that was one of the.
Speaker 5: Things that that we talked about that Warren and I
Speaker 5: talked about is that he'd come in looking like Circroco.
Speaker 5: And I think there's a line. There's a line where
Speaker 5: they refer to me.
Speaker 4: As that Munch calls you at one point, I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 5: Well, Richard, thank you for bringing up Richard Belzer.
Speaker 6: I love Richard Belzer.
Speaker 4: You guys have like such a friendship as your characters.
Speaker 4: Was that like mimicking a real life friendship?
Speaker 6: Woof?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was a legend.
Speaker 5: It's hard it's hard to even talk about Brankley. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the mentorship and friendship between myself and Richard Belzer that
Speaker 5: as you can tell, was very real. Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: when just to go back when we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: this transition in the show, this sort of false feeling
Speaker 5: that we needed to replace anybody or or you know
Speaker 5: whatever that was at the very beginning that we that
Speaker 5: we tried so hard to just you know, move past
Speaker 5: and really create our own story and our own characters,
Speaker 5: and you know, understand what and where our characters were
Speaker 5: coming from so that they would feel real, so that
Speaker 5: it wouldn't feel like, oh, nothing's happening here. We're just
Speaker 5: we're missing this you know, vital piece of what has
Speaker 5: made the last twelve years successful. And we're just going
Speaker 5: to pop these two new characters, and we really wanted
Speaker 5: to invest and make them full and that was what
Speaker 5: our main goal as artists as actors was. However, there's
Speaker 5: always the personal part, right and when you walk into
Speaker 5: the first read through, as you know, these new characters,
Speaker 5: as these new people in the production office at you know,
Speaker 5: at Chelsea Piers, and the first person to stand up
Speaker 5: from the table and come and greet you and you know,
Speaker 5: give you a hug and just say, hey, I'm excited
Speaker 5: that you're here. You're part of the family. So that's
Speaker 5: that's Richard Belzer, you know. And so it started, It
Speaker 5: started from the very beginning. And I don't know whether
Speaker 5: Warren and Julie and the.
Speaker 6: Writers saw that.
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, they're very observant, and I'm
Speaker 5: not sure whether you know there were drawing parallels from
Speaker 5: real life to then you know, put in their scripts
Speaker 5: and on our show.
Speaker 6: But Belzer from day one was that for me.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know Dan Floric also you know, had a lot
Speaker 5: of that. So to see in Tomorrow's one eighty uh,
Speaker 5: that Kragan, you know, the sort of the biggest sort
Speaker 5: of movement at the end of that episode is that Kragan, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know leaves squad. You know, I remember that day
Speaker 5: very very clearly. But certainly, you know, Belzer was was
Speaker 5: a a way for tomorrow, you know, Munch was away
Speaker 5: for tomorrow to have support and sort of like that
Speaker 5: unconditional support.
Speaker 6: Ah. And you know, I think we all miss him.
Speaker 5: Uh and uh, you know, I I have very very
Speaker 5: beautiful memories of Bells.
Speaker 1: Were you always a theater kid?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, since sixth sixth grade. I was. I
Speaker 6: was a theater rat. I was.
Speaker 5: I was always in a player in a musical. I
Speaker 5: studied theater in from my undergrad at Florida International University.
Speaker 5: I got my BFA there and then I went to
Speaker 5: ny US two School of the Arts to get my
Speaker 5: master's degree in theater performance.
Speaker 2: What do you look back on any of your childhood roles? Finally,
Speaker 2: any stick out?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean I loved Shakespeare.
Speaker 5: I used to to you know, I used to throw
Speaker 5: myself into that quite a bit, anywhere from Romeo to
Speaker 5: Hamlet to Petrucchio and then as a professional doing Shakespeare
Speaker 5: in the Park a few times.
Speaker 6: You know that. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 5: Moments in your career where you look back and you
Speaker 5: just like, I'm at the Delacorte Theater.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, it's you know, like you know, like the
Speaker 6: legacy of law and order.
Speaker 5: He's you're you're on set and you're like, I'm part
Speaker 5: of I'm part of this legacy of best for you?
Speaker 1: You have so many episodes?
Speaker 4: Are there any episodes or guest stars outside of Omorrow's
Speaker 4: one eighty that you look fondly upon or were hard
Speaker 4: or a funny story or anything, or like an actor
Speaker 4: you were really surprised to see or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Oh man, yeah, I mean the first person who popped
Speaker 5: in my head was on Gray Brower.
Speaker 6: Ah oh wow, Yeah, I mean he rested piece as well.
Speaker 5: Such such an artist, a person that I'd looked up
Speaker 5: to four years, and then to be able to watch
Speaker 5: him work, I looked up to him even more.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 4: One of the coolest career moves he made was being
Speaker 4: on Brooklyn ninet nine, because he was this super serious actor,
Speaker 4: very respected, and and then he does this like very
Speaker 4: goofy comedy where.
Speaker 1: He absolutely killed it.
Speaker 4: Is that something you have ever like thought about doing
Speaker 4: getting into the comedy space at all? I mean, like
Speaker 4: we're both comedians and obviously this is a pretty serious show.
Speaker 4: We always talk about how like the Bellser seasons were
Speaker 4: kind of like the ones that had the comedy infused
Speaker 4: in it, like you know, you and him had some ribbing,
Speaker 4: him and Finn, you know, But is like, would you
Speaker 4: ever challenge yourself because like, after this show, you did
Speaker 4: my INDs, and you know, you do a lot of
Speaker 4: these like gritty dramas. Have you ever thought about like
Speaker 4: being a goofy guy on a sitcom.
Speaker 5: Ever, I think my wife would say, you're a goofy
Speaker 5: guy in reality, so that it probably would translate a
Speaker 5: lot easier to doing the comedy than to doing sort
Speaker 5: of these darker, grittier roles. You know, I had the
Speaker 5: honor the great good fortune of working with Rita Moreno
Speaker 5: and oh yes, yes yeah, and being on one day
Speaker 5: at a time for an episode.
Speaker 6: It was so much fun. Uh, And it's something that
Speaker 6: I look forward to.
Speaker 5: But you know, Andre could do anything, you know, and
Speaker 5: that's one of those things that I always look up
Speaker 5: to in any performer.
Speaker 2: Why I'll switch episodes brought great memories to We always
Speaker 2: like to talk about the episodes that haunt us forever.
Speaker 2: Are there any that you've read or that scenes you've
Speaker 2: been in it that I have stuck with you and
Speaker 2: have haunted you?
Speaker 1: Maybe Hunting Ground?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say one of my best haunted
Speaker 4: is Hunting Ground, which you're a big part of. And
Speaker 4: that's one of those episodes where were like, god, SVU,
Speaker 4: you really took it there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, there there were several. I think.
Speaker 5: Any episode that deals with children, you know, I have
Speaker 5: at that I have two boys, and at that time
Speaker 5: my kids were when we moved from Los Angeles to
Speaker 5: New Or to start s View, my sons were going
Speaker 5: one was going into kindergarten and the other one was
Speaker 5: going into.
Speaker 6: The fours in pre k.
Speaker 5: So anything that dealt with kids was tough. I remember
Speaker 5: there were a couple of episodes where I would we'd
Speaker 5: shoot a scene late at night, and it was just tough.
Speaker 5: It was a really tough emotional scene. And I'd come
Speaker 5: home and before i'd even you know, say hello to
Speaker 5: my wife, I knew my kids were asleep. I'd just
Speaker 5: sneak into their room because they shared a room, and
Speaker 5: I would just sit in their room because it was
Speaker 5: just harsh.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's you know, to sort of understand that our show
Speaker 5: depicts some things that actually happened, and you know, to
Speaker 5: count your blessings and to sort of be able to
Speaker 5: let some of that go even though we are pretending,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's it's all, you know, fictionalized. Sometimes
Speaker 5: your body doesn't know that you know, your emotion does
Speaker 5: you know, you can just let it go and you're like,
Speaker 5: that never happened. We can just walk away, but your
Speaker 5: body still sometimes retains that and so you know, there
Speaker 5: were there were a few times where I just sat
Speaker 5: in in my kids rooms and just like I was
Speaker 5: able to to in Spanish and Cuban, we'd say I
Speaker 5: was able to sort of like release it all. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but yeah, no, I think I think those were the
Speaker 5: hardest ones to sort of get past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those kid actors are.
Speaker 6: So good, so good. One of the memories from Amorro's
Speaker 6: one eighty. Yes. Yeah, I'm not sure whether Dan Floord
Speaker 6: mentioned his last day, did he? Did he talk about him?
Speaker 2: Well, he told us about the gift because someone gave
Speaker 2: him that painting with him and Kimba, and we really
Speaker 2: loved that monkey. Well, I could tell you what he
Speaker 2: fed the monkey. That's what I remember. He gave the
Speaker 2: monkey gummy bears. But I don't remember the last day.
Speaker 4: We probably we talked to him for a little while
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure what actually made the interview or not,
Speaker 4: but I think he mentioned it.
Speaker 5: But tell us, well, we just talked about Shakespeare. So
Speaker 5: Dan Floric is a fantastic, phenomenal talent. I mean, he's
Speaker 5: been doing Shakespeare, you know, his entire career, and he's
Speaker 5: just one of those pros that I look up to
Speaker 5: not only as a friend and as a mentor, but
Speaker 5: just as an artist. And the way that he left
Speaker 5: the show that you know, that day when I was
Speaker 5: watching Tomorrow's one eighty, it just came all rushing back.
Speaker 6: I believe it was a prospero monologue.
Speaker 5: So the entire crew comes out, you know, some of
Speaker 5: the writers were there, some of the producers were there.
Speaker 5: You know, some of the actors who weren't in the
Speaker 5: scene came in any way, and you know, there are
Speaker 5: applause all around, and you know, very emotional, and Dan
Speaker 5: quiets everybody down, and we expect for him to say
Speaker 5: something to the crew and to the cast and to
Speaker 5: the writers, and he takes a moment, he gathers himself,
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking, well, he's getting emotional. You know, I
Speaker 5: don't know that he's going to be able to express anything.
Speaker 5: And he goes into this monologue without saying I want
Speaker 5: to say this thing of the Shakespeare, this Prospero model.
Speaker 5: He just goes into it and it's about life and
Speaker 5: it's about time, and it's about sort of understanding the
Speaker 5: value of the people around you. And I don't remember
Speaker 5: the monologue exactly, but I remember how it made me
Speaker 5: feel and it made me feel number one, an incredible
Speaker 5: amount of respect for this man who chose this moment
Speaker 5: to deliver this monologue.
Speaker 6: Wasn't reading.
Speaker 5: It was off the top of his head, and it
Speaker 5: was so steady and emotional because of the stakes that
Speaker 5: were in the room, and of the time that he
Speaker 5: had spent in that squad room and what he had
Speaker 5: given to all of us. And yet again this was
Speaker 5: another gift, like I'm giving you this monologue, this is
Speaker 5: this is what I do best, and here it is
Speaker 5: for you, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 6: I'll never forget that. That is how he chose to
Speaker 6: say goodbye.
Speaker 1: Can I ask how your last day was?
Speaker 6: I was emotional wreck, I was a mess. I was
Speaker 6: a mess. I mean, for me, it was it was
Speaker 6: a long time coming.
Speaker 5: I had already known that I was going to, you know,
Speaker 5: that a tomorrow is going to cycle out from you know,
Speaker 5: months before I had already sort of had conversations that tomorrow's.
Speaker 6: Time, you know, on the squad was was going to
Speaker 6: be limited.
Speaker 5: There was already you know, conversation probably a year before
Speaker 5: it actually happened, that you know, perhaps I was looking
Speaker 5: to maybe do something else and already we were already
Speaker 5: sort of towards the end of the amount that Amorrow
Speaker 5: could actually handle, uh in terms of, you know, the
Speaker 5: things that were being thrown at him. So it was,
Speaker 5: it was it was kind of a good marriage between
Speaker 5: you know, me having you know, played a police officer
Speaker 5: for now eleven seasons including Gold Case, uh, and wanting
Speaker 5: to potentially, you know, seek other challenges and.
Speaker 6: And also where the show was.
Speaker 5: So the emotion didn't come from uh, you know, this
Speaker 5: wasn't something that I chose. It came from I'm really
Speaker 5: going to miss these people. I'm really going to miss
Speaker 5: this crew. I'm going to miss this cast. I'm going
Speaker 5: to miss the writers.
Speaker 6: You know it.
Speaker 5: It was a moment in my life that I valued,
Speaker 5: and that transition out of you know, that world that
Speaker 5: I wasn't going to see them every single.
Speaker 6: Day was an emotional an emotional day.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: And then do you want to talk about I'm going
Speaker 2: to say it Union derays.
Speaker 6: Oh, let's go. Yeah, you said you said it wrong,
Speaker 6: but you tried, you tried really really hard.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 5: There is a short film that I wrote, directed, uh
Speaker 5: and acted in and produced along with my wife Lily,
Speaker 5: who you know I begged to be a part of
Speaker 5: She's she's an actor. We met when we were in
Speaker 5: middle school and yeah, in junior high we met in an.
Speaker 6: Acting class of all places. I begged her.
Speaker 5: She turned me down like two or three times and
Speaker 5: then ultimately said yes, and uh, it's part of this
Speaker 5: this short film.
Speaker 6: The recept has been fantastic.
Speaker 5: Directing was something that I've was very interested in back
Speaker 5: even on SVU. It was something that I really wanted
Speaker 5: to delve into. Unfortunately, I was able to you know,
Speaker 5: start investigating that through the short, and then I subsequently
Speaker 5: directed to Mayan's episodes.
Speaker 6: Uh, fantastic to do that.
Speaker 5: I mean, the cast and the crew and you know
Speaker 5: elgend James, our showrunner, were just you know, there were
Speaker 5: a gift to work with. And so that that's kind
Speaker 5: of where started. Because I knew I was going to
Speaker 5: direct an episode of Minds, and I didn't want to
Speaker 5: show up to set having not directed something. So I
Speaker 5: wrote the short and we shot it about four or
Speaker 5: five months before I directed Mines.
Speaker 4: And I know de Res we probably can't watch yet,
Speaker 4: but Hotel Cocaine is the show you just did that's
Speaker 4: on MGM plus.
Speaker 5: That's Correcttel Cocaine nineteen seventy eight, Miami.
Speaker 6: Wow, I was. I was born and raised in Miami
Speaker 6: in the seventies. I do not remember a lot of it,
Speaker 6: but because I was so young.
Speaker 5: But the Mutiny Hotel and Club was the epicenter of
Speaker 5: Miami in the seventies. It's similar to saying Studio fifty
Speaker 5: four in New York.
Speaker 6: At the time. It was the.
Speaker 5: Dangerous sort of watering hole for politicians or superstars, celebrities, musicians,
Speaker 5: and the cocaine cowboys along with the Dea. So it
Speaker 5: was a rich broth of incredibly diverse characters. And I
Speaker 5: play Vermont Comte. Ermontcomte was an actual person. It was
Speaker 5: the father of Maurice Comte, who's an actor who I
Speaker 5: worked with on Mayans Oh stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Chris Broncoto, who is our showrunner, main writer, was
Speaker 5: the co creator of Narcos, and he worked with Maurice
Speaker 5: Conte on Narcos and Maurice told him the story about
Speaker 5: his father in this, you know, the epicenter of the
Speaker 5: cocaine wars in Miami of the nineteen seventies, and Chris
Speaker 5: was like, I think there's something there. The Hotel Cocaine
Speaker 5: is really kind of a unicorn in that it's incredibly
Speaker 5: dark and violent and sexy, but it's also hilarious and
Speaker 5: there's humor and it's funny, and you know, there's so
Speaker 5: many things happening at the same time, and the balance
Speaker 5: is precarious and challenging.
Speaker 6: And that's one of the things, among many other things, that.
Speaker 5: I tipped my hat to Chris Broncato to really finding
Speaker 5: a way to tell a story that is so complicated,
Speaker 5: any complex and shifts from scene to scene.
Speaker 2: Well, I came up with a game, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's cool yet. Okay, you don't
Speaker 2: have to, so I'm gonna just say things, and then
Speaker 2: you can choose between Kelly Iced Team, Marishka, Peter Scannabino,
Speaker 2: Dan Floriic Raoul or Belzer.
Speaker 6: Okay, so main main cast.
Speaker 1: Who's the most like their character probably Marishka.
Speaker 6: I mean I once said that the only person who
Speaker 6: overshadows or outshines Olivia Benson is Murska Hargita, and I'm
Speaker 6: not beautiful.
Speaker 1: Most likely to be late to work. You don't have
Speaker 1: to throw anybody out of the bus.
Speaker 6: That's sorry, Yeah, I'm not answering that question. I only
Speaker 6: look though, if you.
Speaker 4: Could go on vacation with any of these people, who
Speaker 4: would be the number one person?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: When I when Tomorrow was done on the show, we
Speaker 5: had a weekend up in the Hamptons where the entire
Speaker 5: cast came out and we had moment together.
Speaker 6: So my answer to that is all of them, because we.
Speaker 5: Had such a last it was that was really sort
Speaker 5: of my last sort of you know, goodbye to the show.
Speaker 5: Was was spending a weekend with this fantastic cast and
Speaker 5: being able to really share how much they meant to me. Uh,
Speaker 5: and for them to be able to share things with me.
Speaker 5: And the answer to your question is all of them,
Speaker 5: because they're all They're all incredibly giving and special people.
Speaker 1: I really like that you guys are in the Hamptons together.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 4: This like wen't have Honestly, there's like so much more
Speaker 4: we could talk to.
Speaker 1: You about here.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate, like I said, I appreciate being able
Speaker 5: to visit Tomorrow's one eighty and to revisit some of
Speaker 5: these fantastic memories. Uh, to be able to talk about
Speaker 5: Richard Belzer, because I haven't spoken about him publicly since
Speaker 5: his passing. Uh, so please excuse my emotion, but it
Speaker 5: was it was It was very cool, uh to to
Speaker 5: be able to talk about these people who that I
Speaker 5: love so much, uh, talk about this character that I
Speaker 5: love so much, uh, and to really uh one of
Speaker 5: the things I really wanted to do today was to
Speaker 5: thank the SVU diehards for their support throughout uh my
Speaker 5: time on the show and my time since I left
Speaker 5: the show. It has been uh.
Speaker 6: You know, fundamental encouragement coming from them. Uh. And I
Speaker 6: hope that they enjoy Hotel Cocaine, yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh, and and that they understand that while we're not
Speaker 5: uh it is far from SVU, that that same gray
Speaker 5: area of character navigating that with Roman Conte is.
Speaker 6: A similar world.
Speaker 5: It's a similar pathway, and they might recognize some things
Speaker 5: about Tomorrow in Roman and uh and in the writing,
Speaker 5: in the precarious position that Tomorrow was put in throughout
Speaker 5: episodes of SVVU that Roman Conte is now put in
Speaker 5: throughout episodes.
Speaker 6: Of Hotel Cocaine.
Speaker 5: And thank you for having me on your show not
Speaker 5: only to talk about moments past but also moments present.
Speaker 4: So thank you, Yeah, thank you, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for taking the time. And you'll see that the diehards,
Speaker 4: you're a treat for them, because on Instagram you're just
Speaker 4: going to see them all freaking out that that we
Speaker 4: got to talk to you, So.
Speaker 1: It will be a fun little treat.
Speaker 6: I thank you for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet they knew.
Speaker 2: If we're doing, you know, amorrow's one to eighty. Who
Speaker 2: are we gonna have? The deli clerk like, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: gonna have We're gonna have amorrow for this one.
Speaker 1: And he watched.
Speaker 2: It and such a good memory and stories and a
Speaker 2: very sentimental guy. Yeah, I loved you know, no remembering
Speaker 2: the moments of auditions and all of that. And I
Speaker 2: feel not to make it about me, but I feel
Speaker 2: like that's my vibe. I want to hold on to
Speaker 2: these details and every moment is so good and I
Speaker 2: he's I'm glad he has a good career.
Speaker 1: He loves it.
Speaker 4: And I was really happy that he also opened up
Speaker 4: to us about Belzer and how much they had such
Speaker 4: a special relationship.
Speaker 1: And I mean.
Speaker 6: It was just he.
Speaker 4: Said he hasn't talked about it publicly since it happened,
Speaker 4: So I was like, very I felt honored that he
Speaker 4: would open up to us about that.
Speaker 2: That was so nice, and it just seems, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a bummer we didn't get to meet him. I
Speaker 2: guess with Belzer, you know, like that's that is something
Speaker 2: I think about that with Joan Rivers a lot.
Speaker 1: Like I always just was like, I'm going to meet
Speaker 1: Joan Rivers.
Speaker 4: I used to used to be like I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 4: meet Robin Williams one day, and like I just never will.
Speaker 1: And it's so sad. But and that's how I feel
Speaker 1: with Belser.
Speaker 2: And it's good to know that he touched the people
Speaker 2: that were closest to.
Speaker 1: Him so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just seemed like such a real guy, like
Speaker 4: a good hurt like a mensch.
Speaker 1: You know. I think he would bail us out of
Speaker 1: jail if he could, And.
Speaker 4: I would happily open up a bar with him in
Speaker 4: Baltimore after he retires.
Speaker 1: Well, now that I love Baltimore, I get why. I
Speaker 1: get it now.
Speaker 2: One weekend of Baltimore and I go, I'm like, Munch,
Speaker 2: I'm in there with you, Like I understand why you
Speaker 2: wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: I am fully on board. But and it seems too.
Speaker 2: What I learned from Danny Pino, what I got from
Speaker 2: it is they communicate about their character and build it
Speaker 2: together and it's not just like here do this, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like it seems like he has says and
Speaker 2: then they kind of not capitalize what's the word, like
Speaker 2: use their real relationships and how they interacted within the
Speaker 2: show out you know.
Speaker 4: It's nice yeah, yeah, because I'm sure, like I don't know,
Speaker 4: I feel like if people don't get along in real life,
Speaker 4: they're not going to always put them in situations like
Speaker 4: always of all the characters like that, not always, I
Speaker 4: don't think.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that the famous thing about Moonlighting?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, Bruce who's as Willis and Sybil Shepherd, Yeah,
Speaker 4: they hated each other.
Speaker 1: Hated each other well for man and woman.
Speaker 4: I feel like that can kind of add a little
Speaker 4: bit of sexual attension.
Speaker 2: But wait, there's other famous ones that is interesting, Like
Speaker 2: when I hear that people hated each other, I don't
Speaker 2: know how they could do it.
Speaker 4: Those I think of like the the I don't even
Speaker 4: watch the show, but on The Good Wife, what didn't
Speaker 4: like Juliana Margalize and that other actress like didn't like
Speaker 4: each other? But then eventually like she left. I bet
Speaker 4: it also depends on like how high up the person.
Speaker 4: It's like, if Juliana Murgles does want to show with someone,
Speaker 4: she's number one, like she can do whatever she wants.
Speaker 4: But I guess what I'm saying is like this is
Speaker 4: like the reverse where I feel like they capitalize like
Speaker 4: you said on the like the good vibes between them
Speaker 4: and the like friendship that they had.
Speaker 2: So I just googled quickly, so and I did read
Speaker 2: this odd, but I guess earlier. But Charlie's Throne and
Speaker 2: Tom Hardy did not get along on Mad Max, like
Speaker 2: hated each other. Ooh well, I'm sure. Oh yeah, Patrick
Speaker 2: Swayze Jennifer Gray hated each other. Really yeah, I put
Speaker 2: in famous coasters who totally hated each other, and like
Speaker 2: I remember those articles and then I'm really curious about
Speaker 2: this clear Danes Leonardo DiCaprio, because that's like a full
Speaker 2: ass love story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it makes it It says like he likes
Speaker 1: to goof off. She did, but he doesn't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: And Julia Robber whatever, like I uh, I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I have the capacity to do that,
Speaker 4: to fake it.
Speaker 1: That's the job of an actor.
Speaker 2: So I'm very impressed with these people, and like they're
Speaker 2: also getting paid millions, so it's it's like different.
Speaker 1: I just it seems.
Speaker 2: Really hard, Yeah, to hate someone and have to do
Speaker 2: like intense See, I don't know. I can't imagine in
Speaker 2: a movie at least that's like a few months or
Speaker 2: you're out, maybe you have to do press, but a
Speaker 2: show like all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, okay, let's get to a post
Speaker 4: mortem of this episode. Obviously, I don't love any cops
Speaker 4: shooting blindly down a hallway, and I feel.
Speaker 1: I think that we let's talk about that.
Speaker 4: I'm just a cop from Orange is the New Black.
Speaker 4: Shit really should have gotten a lot more heat than
Speaker 4: she got.
Speaker 2: In this episode. But she played the game. It's all
Speaker 2: about the game. She was willing to say. He did that.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking fuck his ass, you know, like that's
Speaker 4: basically it.
Speaker 1: And I did realize I just said fuck is ass.
Speaker 4: Oh, while we're talking about fucking cop random cop stuff.
Speaker 4: Apparently there is this trial happening in Massachusetts. Okay, Karen Reid,
Speaker 4: but it's spelled Aria d. It like it's this whole
Speaker 4: fucking thing where this cop got killed at a party,
Speaker 4: and they're basically all these cops were at this party
Speaker 4: and they're framing this woman saying she did it, and
Speaker 4: like Netflix is there like shooting it right now, but
Speaker 4: it's on trial right now. All this happened in like Canton, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: It's like I was just talking to all these girls
Speaker 4: at book club last night and they were all obsessed.
Speaker 4: They were like, you haven't heard about Karen Reid, like
Speaker 4: you have a crime podcast. I was like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: Like this hasn't popped up to me like this. This
Speaker 4: only took place in twenty twenty two, so it's like
Speaker 4: pretty recent. And now the trial is happening right now
Speaker 4: and they're basically finding out that between Canton police and
Speaker 4: Boston police there's all this corruption and that they're fully
Speaker 4: framing this woman.
Speaker 2: So if it's all coming out, that's good. Hopefully that's that.
Speaker 4: Ye, But there's an FBI investigation about the cop, but
Speaker 4: the jurors don't know about it. Like the jurors have
Speaker 4: been I think they might be sequestered, and they've been
Speaker 4: instructed like not to read anything. So like the jurors
Speaker 4: don't know that there's like an FBI.
Speaker 2: Why can't the defense bring it in like that must
Speaker 2: be like I hope she has a good lawyer that
Speaker 2: like that has to be able to be brought in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I literally I'm going off of what a bunch of
Speaker 4: girls frantically screamed at me yesterday over Rose, So like
Speaker 4: I really have to look at it up at myself.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure some of our listeners are following along
Speaker 4: with this, and I'm like obsessed. I'm gonna like read
Speaker 4: about it as soon as we get off with this
Speaker 4: because like why, why did why did its coworkers kill it?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 4: Because what my friends were saying is they were like
Speaker 4: their theory is that like a teen at the house
Speaker 4: maybe is responsible for him, Like everybody was wasted. They
Speaker 4: think there was like a fight and that he got
Speaker 4: he had dog bites on him. The dead body, Like
Speaker 4: they think maybe someone else, like a teen is responsible
Speaker 4: for it. And so they're all she, the woman they're accusing,
Speaker 4: is the dead person's ex wife. So they're all like
Speaker 4: just framing her because they want to save the skin
Speaker 4: of this kid. I guess, but that's like a theory.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if that's the real thing, but
Speaker 4: it seems pretty like articles I'm seeing are framed or
Speaker 4: at fault like that. I guess the cases with the
Speaker 4: jury now like they're deciding, but everybody seems to think
Speaker 4: that the jury's decision right now, yes, as of yesterday,
Speaker 4: fifteen hours ago, so like, And we're recording this like
Speaker 4: a few days before it comes out. So by the
Speaker 4: ten this episode comes out, maybe there will be a
Speaker 4: verdict already. I don't know how many days it usually takes,
Speaker 4: but it's it sounds like a really crazy case, like,
Speaker 4: so I wanted you to know about it and all
Speaker 4: of our listeners to sort of check in. And I'm
Speaker 4: sure we're going to get inside scoop from our Canton
Speaker 4: Mass environs listeners. But yeah, you're right, the cops are
Speaker 4: playing the fucking games and uh, it's no good. But
Speaker 4: let me go into what would Sister Peg do? Because
Speaker 4: this kind of leads to what we're we're talking about
Speaker 4: with what would Sister Peg Do? This is our weekly
Speaker 4: segment where we direct you guys towards an organization, a
Speaker 4: blog post, I love just say, blog post, an article,
Speaker 4: a you know, a podcast episode, something to give you
Speaker 4: more information about what we talk about because we only
Speaker 4: have so much time, and this week we wanted to
Speaker 4: point you to the National Police Accountability Project. This group
Speaker 4: is quote dedicated to holding law enforcement accountable for misconduct
Speaker 4: in our communities. It is a project of the National
Speaker 4: Lawyer's Guild and their mission is to affect change in
Speaker 4: the flawed legal system and to fight to put an
Speaker 4: end to police brutality and all forms. So if you
Speaker 4: want more information, go to NLG dash NPAP. So that's
Speaker 4: NLG is like the National Lawyers League and then NPAP
Speaker 4: is National Police Accountability Project dot org. And obviously that's
Speaker 4: a lot of letters. So it will be in our
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, And not as an
Speaker 2: important legal news. But I did watch the Scooter Bron
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift HBO two part kind of expose that like
Speaker 2: a doc kind like one hour is Taylor's Side in
Speaker 2: one hour is Scooter's Side? Oh and the Scooter one
Speaker 2: is the side is really interesting because it's all these
Speaker 2: lawyers and business people being like it's a business. Sound deal,
Speaker 2: it's not personal, it's business, and it's like yaya, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't like the business. Yeah, that's it's like these
Speaker 2: lawyers being like, no laws were broken. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we know that, Like we understand someone else
Speaker 2: owned her music and then sold it to someone she hated,
Speaker 2: like and she's a petty bitch and a good business woman,
Speaker 2: so yeah, no we get that. But that was their
Speaker 2: whole defense. It's like this was business. It's it's so
Speaker 2: we know who's they're not anyways. Retro retro everyone is
Speaker 2: next week next week's episode retro sounds more fun than
Speaker 2: it is Season ten. No, it's it's a great episode.
Speaker 2: It's just like retro reminds me of like bell Bottom. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not about fashion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Season ten episode five. Also, I mean today's strands.
Speaker 4: Did you already do it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I haven't. Okay, I got it open, I got my
Speaker 1: word o open right here.
Speaker 2: I gotta do it. It has to do whatever. I
Speaker 2: don't want to ruin that. It doesn't matter to any
Speaker 2: of you follow us on the internet. Bye, thank you.
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