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Speaker 1: I'm home for the holidays and I have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest for this episode of Wide Open, and you

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Speaker 1: don't want to miss it. High five, Hello everyone, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Wide Open. I'm your host, Ashlyn Harrison. Today. Woo,

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Speaker 1: we have someone special. We're closing out season one right

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Speaker 1: here in our home, on our couch with Christmas lights

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Speaker 1: in the vibes exactly where they need to be, and

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Speaker 1: sitting next to me is someone you all know, someone

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Speaker 1: you all love, and someone I'm lucky enough to call

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Speaker 1: my partner, Sophia Bush. We've never done this before. We're real,

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Speaker 1: sit down, just the two of us, honesty, realness, and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine ending this for season with anyone else.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being here. This year has been

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Speaker 1: absolutely wild, transformative, healing, hilarious, messy, beautiful and all the

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Speaker 1: things in between. And Sophia, you've been there through a

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Speaker 1: majority of it, cheering me on every step of the way.

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Speaker 1: So today we're talking about roots, We're talking about reinvention,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about purpose, partnership, the world we're navigating, and

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Speaker 1: most importantly, the home we're building. So grab a blanket, people,

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Speaker 1: grab some coco, grab whatever you like to sip on

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Speaker 1: for the holidays because we're settling in and we're getting

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Speaker 1: wide open. Welcome to the show, my love.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I need to put my coffee down. Yeah, put

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Speaker 2: that down.

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Speaker 1: Cheers, cheers too, wide open, Thanks for having me cute sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, happy holidays.

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Speaker 1: Well to start off, when you think about home, now,

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Speaker 1: what's the first feeling or image that comes to your mind.

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Speaker 2: Other than the terror I just felt when I almost

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Speaker 2: spelled a goss of red wine on our white Okay,

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Speaker 2: the first the first word or image?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me, Like, tell me what you feel right

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Speaker 1: now and you think of when you think about home

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Speaker 1: because you're sitting in it.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting you said word, and I had a thought.

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Speaker 2: But when you said image, it's a fireplace.

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Speaker 1: Mmm.

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Speaker 2: It's warm, it's cozy, it's safe, it's insulated.

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Speaker 1: You know. I love that. So tell tell me what's

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Speaker 1: been going on. Tell me update, update, are people watching,

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Speaker 1: people tuning in, the people listening? It's been quite a year.

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Speaker 1: So before we start diving into all of the brain busters,

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Speaker 1: I thought of, tell me tell me about where you

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Speaker 1: are today. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I feel good? I am, I mean, you know, I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 2: It's been such a long year. I feel like, no

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Speaker 2: matter how much sleep, I wake up tired, but I

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Speaker 2: are recording this, We've just had a long weekend of

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Speaker 2: being cozy in our home together after a packed holiday,

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Speaker 2: your work at Surffranche, Thanksgiving with our family, I hosted

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Speaker 2: Women of Worth for Laoreal and you know, managed to

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Speaker 2: keep it together live on the carpet for an hour

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Speaker 2: which was a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: Always a bonus.

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Speaker 2: I went and spoke at Harvard, which was super cool.

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Speaker 2: I spent two days with the students at the IOP

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Speaker 2: there and yeah, now we're home and gearing up to

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Speaker 1: I'm really really looking forward to spending This is going

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Speaker 1: everyone's coming, everyone's coming. We've done we have a Christmas

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Speaker 1: And Christmas is about like it's just so cheesy and

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Speaker 1: And I know you more than anyone, agree with that.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask this question, when you look

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Speaker 2: When I think about myself as a kid, I was

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Speaker 2: always just so curious. I wanted to learn how everything worked.

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Speaker 2: because it lets everybody come to the table with their

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Speaker 2: something that's really holistic and considered. I didn't know the

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Speaker 2: meaning of half of those words when I was a

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Speaker 2: When I look back, I see a kid who, even

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Speaker 2: I finally think I understand how to carry her with

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Speaker 1: That's great and I really feel that. And you know

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Speaker 1: what I love most about you saying that is your

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Speaker 1: ability to give that to the kids. You guys, really

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Speaker 1: are so your imagination and your ability just to play

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's really interesting though, that you say

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Speaker 2: I've learned so much of that from you. Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: because I'll do every voice, obviously, and like I'll make

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Speaker 2: something that I really am so amazed with as an

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Speaker 2: You know, you are much more regimented as a person

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Speaker 2: And You're like, I get up at this time and

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Speaker 2: a way that's so amazing. So like, I'm learning a

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Speaker 2: it's broken, like we turn it into a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I got to watch you do this thing that

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Speaker 2: And so you've given me as an example. You've really

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Speaker 2: So now we're parenting these kids, and while we're doing it,

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Speaker 2: we're reparenting ourselves. Yes, Like my inner child is like

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Speaker 2: I always wanted it. She was like a serious little

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Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm having a second childhood in

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful, and it perfectly segues into this important question

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, speaking of our childhood and

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Speaker 1: being young and raising very young kids, what is something

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Speaker 2: I'm working on it, but I am I am less

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Speaker 2: concerned with other people's opinions. First, of course, I'm human

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Speaker 2: and it matters, and we all want to be liked,

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Speaker 2: we want to be known, we want to be seen truthfully,

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Speaker 2: if it isn't authentic. That's a painful kind of dissonance

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Speaker 2: as a person, especially as a person who's like very

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Speaker 2: maybe a little insanely so, but yeah, I'm really learning

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Speaker 2: to say, yes, I for better or worse. My life

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Speaker 2: And I actually can prioritize me and my family, me

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Speaker 2: That is so easy for me, that just comes out.

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Speaker 2: what the like, yelling about policy whatever for people. And

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00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: what I've learned is that when something happens to me,

434
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: I often go mute. I get really quiet. I don't

435
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: want to make anyone else uncomfortable. So I take the

436
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: discomfort and I figure out how to deal with it later,

437
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: and I figure out how to deal with it in

438
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: the back. And what I've had to learn is that

439
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: I actually need to meet in the middle with the

440
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: two and I need to give myself at least half

441
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: of what I'm willing to give the world, because I

442
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: too deserve to be stood up for. And interestingly, having

443
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 2: to figure out how to own that has made me

444
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: pull back some of the ways that it's so easy

445
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: for me to get hot under the collar for community,

446
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: because I have to recalibrate the amount of energy that

447
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: goes into those things. And so I think this place,

448
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: this tone, this willingness to engage at a pace that

449
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: has slowed down for me who learned to walk in

450
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: New York City and it's alway running one hundred miles

451
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: a minus.

452
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: I can't even keep up with her.

453
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like we had to have a whole

454
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: talk about my airport speed. And I'm really working on

455
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: it because you'll lose me in a crowd. That's where

456
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: I think that comes from. And I think that's always

457
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: been really authentic to myself. But I think I had

458
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: to put those halves of myself that I learned to

459
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: split into early in my thirties. I think I had

460
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: to learn how to put them back together, and then

461
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: I was able to be like, oh, this, like this

462
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: is my center. This feels nice. I chose tenderness after

463
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: the intensity of twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three.

464
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: I chose tenderness as my word for twenty twenty four,

465
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: and it did so much for me that I assigned

466
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: it to twenty twenty five as well. I picked one

467
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: more because I felt like why not? But I'm I'm

468
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: interested to see what our next like two weeks very

469
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: isolated in like the snow globe of our home, will

470
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: lead to in terms of how we figure out what

471
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: our words are for twenty twenty six.

472
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, And what does success look like

473
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: to you? Now? Not to the world, not to the

474
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: actor Sofia, but the Sofia when you peel back the layers, like,

475
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: what does success look like to you?

476
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: Success to me looks like listening to myself, listening to

477
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: my family. You know, I took for the first time

478
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: in fifteen years, I took a year off of television production,

479
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: and everyone was like, what are you doing? You know,

480
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: all my people were like, why would you do that?

481
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: That's such a risk. All the haters were like, look

482
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 2: at her, She's finally going to be that washed up

483
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: actor as we accused her of being. And I was like,

484
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: you don't, cunts. I chose this, like how lucky am I?

485
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Success in terms of how the world defines it and

486
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: in terms of what we as humans need, I think

487
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: can be really different. I also think it's important to acknowledge,

488
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: like I'm analyzing success with a lot of privilege. I'm

489
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: able to think about these things. I was able to

490
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: take that time off. I didn't know I was taking

491
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: that time off right before the industry went on strike

492
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: for two years. But that's a different story, you know.

493
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: I have so enjoyed all the movies I've made over

494
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: the last two two and a half. Whatever I'm bad

495
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: at the I'm bad at the annual math years. I

496
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: have loved focusing more on film and producing film. I

497
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: am excited about the TV stuff. I love the podcast.

498
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: Those are things people can name, but for me, for me,

499
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: it's what do I need and will I listen to it?

500
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: So I don't define success by am I do I

501
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: have a show on the air this year or not? Well,

502
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: what's in development? And do people know about it? I

503
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: don't care what people know about Did people see the

504
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: movie or didn't they? Did I love making the movie?

505
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 2: Did I love collaborating with my wonderful director Jeff, with

506
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: my wonderful team up in Canada on this recent one,

507
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, working with Mouren?

508
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Like?

509
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: Did I love the experience? I define success as being

510
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: in love with the experience, not so focused on the outcome.

511
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: I'm defining success in terms of listening to myself. And

512
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: when I look at my calendar for the day, am

513
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: I saying I have to do this, and I have

514
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: this zoom, and I have this other zoom, and then

515
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: I have a production meeting, and then I have to

516
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: I have to I have to do I look at

517
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: my calendar and say, today I get to take three

518
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: zooms with three dope writers do a production meeting. I'm

519
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: so excited. I get to brave traffic not only into

520
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: the city, but back out to Brooklyn so we can

521
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: go see the Liberty play. I get to I am

522
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: so happy that I get to do this stuff and

523
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: that shift have to get to for me is a

524
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: marker of success that choosing to pay attention to is

525
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: proving to be not only really fun, but really helpful

526
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: to how I plan the future.

527
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: I love that it's very it's very you, and it's true.

528
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: It's how we reframe it when you talk about tying

529
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: this in a bow, but like how I am as

530
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: a mom and meltdowns, it's always reframing. Yeah, how we

531
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: see certain situations. And what this is telling me is

532
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: it's not that I have to do this, it's I

533
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: get to do this. Yeah, it's a way we need

534
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: to start reframing this this world. Like what a privilege

535
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: it is to wake up today to be able to

536
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: do this right, Like what a joy it is to

537
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: have another day. And I think what we have to

538
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: come to terms with is tomorrow's not guaranteed. Yesterday's already done.

539
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: We're living in the moment and in the present, and

540
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: then that's literally all we have.

541
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, it's why I roll my eyes whenever

542
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: I feel a cliche phrase like bubbling up and about

543
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: to jump out of my mouth. But cliches are cliche

544
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: because they're so true. And the idea that presence is

545
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: the present. I used to roll my eyes like into

546
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: the back of my head when I would hear somebody

547
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: say that and be like, no good, But it's true,

548
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: like to be in your day and enjoy it. I mean,

549
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: I'm even I'm sitting here half so into our conversation

550
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: and half laughing that there's a whole team of people

551
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: here filming us through this, and you're in your thing.

552
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: You're You're in the incredible part of yourself that I

553
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: love to watch, like on panels or give speeches where

554
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: you're just so dialed in to your creativity and your

555
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: message for people and your leadership skills, and you're so

556
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: serious and I'm like, oh my god. And then I

557
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: hear myself talking the way I just spoke at a

558
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: university that is a place I so admire, and I'm like,

559
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: I'm being serious too, And it's like, it's how how

560
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: lucky are we that we get to do this, because

561
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: this morning we were like running around with music blasting, laughing,

562
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: making breakfast, and now we're sitting here really being our

563
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: like best selves for people.

564
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: Cheers for that.

565
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: Cheers it.

566
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I'll be back in just a moment after

567
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: this brief message from our sponsors. It's so cute, it

568
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: really is, and I think it's a great segue into

569
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: our world's colliding. Okay, sports and entertainment. Yeah, you know,

570
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: how do you think our worlds Yeah, in sport and

571
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: entertainment collide in ways people actually don't expect.

572
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't. I guess I can't be sure about what

573
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: people don't expect, right. I think one of the things

574
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: that we all fall victim too is assuming everyone's working

575
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: with the same set of information that part I was

576
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: just talking to us about this in Canada, Like, we

577
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: assume everyone's got the same information. So I don't want

578
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: to assume. I think one of the things I find

579
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: the most incredible, inspiring, important about our traditional lines of

580
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: work is that athletes and artists have always been leaders

581
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: for social change. Yes, whether you think about, you know,

582
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: the writing of Mary Shelley and the fact that she

583
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: wrote Frankenstein and then like they tried to say a

584
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: man must have written it, and she was like, I

585
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: wrote this, And also it's an allegory for feminism, Like

586
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: what when you think about Jackie Robinson and what he did,

587
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: when you think about, you know, the artists who risk

588
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: their lives to go and play blues music in the South.

589
00:37:52,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Like artists and athletes have changed culture representation, they have

590
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: stood up and said this is wrong. And I think

591
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: it's because we are inherently like we're pack animals. We

592
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: work in community. We work on a team. My team

593
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: is my cast. My team is also my crew. You know,

594
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: your staff that supports a whole team is like your crew.

595
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: We know that we couldn't do what we do best

596
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: without every single person in that room, whether they're on

597
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: camera or off, you know, whether they suit up in

598
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: a jersey or they're wearing like staff kit, everyone matters.

599
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: I actually think artistry and athleticism is the antidote to

600
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: toxic individualism. And I also think the interesting thing about

601
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: it is that art and athleticism being rooted in community

602
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: are also examples of exceptionalism. And so I think there's

603
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: immense privilege that comes with that. I think there's a

604
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: big weight on your shoulders that can come with that,

605
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: and I think there is also a danger of learning

606
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: to perform at all costs that can make you abandon

607
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: yourself because you have to. It doesn't matter if you've

608
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: had a death in the family, you've got to get

609
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: on the field, and you've got to be on set

610
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: when they call action. It doesn't matter if you've gotten

611
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: the most horrific news or just have the most horrific

612
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: thing happen to you. You have to keep going. It

613
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You learn that you don't matter.

614
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: The show must go on.

615
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: Yes, And so weirdly out in the world, people assume

616
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: if you're a professional athlete or you're an actor, that

617
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: you think the world revolves around you. Literally, we're taught

618
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: that we do not matter at all at all. And

619
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: so interestingly enough our relationship the way we're so similar,

620
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: but also we were trained so differently, Like you were

621
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: trained to respect your body. I was trained to abandon

622
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: mine at all. We both learned to perform at all costs.

623
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: And it's really hard to shut that off when you

624
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: go home.

625
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: It bleeds into everything. And I think that's what you

626
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: don't even know what people don't know you. We don't

627
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: even know it.

628
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean. Yeah, you don't know it.

629
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: You don't know that you are not feeling your feelings.

630
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: You don't know that you haven't been in your body

631
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: sometimes for years, Like I didn't know it until I

632
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: did like a pretty deep, you know, week long experience

633
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: of trauma therapy, and people have heard of like on site,

634
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, Hoffmann Institute, like all these places, and I realized, like, oh,

635
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: I don't live below my collarbones. And when I started

636
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: trying to think about how long I'd felt life from

637
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: here and how long it had been since I'd felt

638
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: all the way to my feet the last time, I

639
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: could really guarantee it. Once that sentence came out of

640
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: my mouth, I could identify a time eight years prior,

641
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, oh, we got we got

642
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: some work, give some work to do. And so I

643
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: think there's a gift of artistry and athleticism out in

644
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: the world, but the gift of the intersection of artistry

645
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: and athleticism in our house, in our relationship is something

646
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have the words for. It's

647
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: been the most transformative permission granting, illuminating, thoughtful thing in

648
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: my life. And it's kind of crazy to me because

649
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: like that's how we met at like early days of

650
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: what y'all were doing as as our national.

651
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Times up meta like meant all of it, all of it,

652
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: like the way y'all wrote for us when when the

653
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: three hundred of us published the me Too letter, the

654
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Times Up letter, you know in the following in the

655
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: footsteps of Toronto Burke.

656
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: And then and when y'all sued FIFA, well, yous soccer. Sorry,

657
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: I should know that we were watching FIFA this morning.

658
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: I was rolling my eyes with them. My brain just

659
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: did a little oopsie participation trophies, get the fuck out

660
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: of here. Anyway, when y'all sued you as soccer, it

661
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: was like the most obvious thing for me to say

662
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: to all of the women in my industry. By the way,

663
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: all of us fans of your industry, like circle up, ladies,

664
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 2: we write it down, you know, like it's time to go.

665
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: And so it's so funny how many years we spent

666
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: connected on that front before the completely unexpected, like couldn't

667
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: have predicted it if you paid me, happened, And like

668
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: now I look back and go, oh my god, whoa

669
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: Like maybe that was our version of invisible string theory.

670
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: The universe kept being I be know each other and

671
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: then like one day you're gonna know why you've known

672
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: each other. First it was.

673
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: Crazy and it's like when it clicks, it clicks.

674
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: But I think I always say that. I'm like, I

675
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: don't know how without sounding like an idiot to say

676
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: I just didn't see it until I saw it, and

677
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: then I saw it, and then I was like, oh boy,

678
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: oh boy. And I think I walked around my house

679
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: and said that to myself for like two straight weeks.

680
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: I know you're laughing because you heard the story, because

681
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: my friends were like, we didn't know what was going

682
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: on with her. She was like walking around like Rainman,

683
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: talking to herself, and I was like, something is in

684
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: my brain.

685
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: Houston, we have a problem.

686
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: Well, or Houston, we have like but I've won the

687
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: emotional lottery, but this might be complicated in terms of

688
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: what anyway, what I know and what the world knows.

689
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: What I need to talk about.

690
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: That what people don't understand is having the courage, having

691
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: the strength to come forward and talk about the abuse

692
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: that a lot of women in Hollywood suffered. It's very

693
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: it's no you know, the me Too times up movement

694
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: happened in the NWSL. There was a lot of abuse

695
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: that came you know, came forward.

696
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: About USA Gymnastics, Yes.

697
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Like gym not like so every much of women's sports

698
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: because of lack of guardrails, lack of funding, lack of resources,

699
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: lack lack lack, lack, lack, black, lack thereof We put

700
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: a lot of women in a really compromised situation. And

701
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: when we started speaking up about it, as you know firsthand,

702
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: we started losing endorsement deals. We started in twenty nineteen

703
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: at the World Cup in France. Having the president at

704
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: the time, you know, completely disregard us, call us that

705
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: we're trash, that we're not invited to the White House,

706
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: that they don't have our respect, and all these things.

707
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: I think people don't understand. Yes, we are at the

708
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: forefront of a lot of change, but it is costly

709
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: to us because we are women speaking up about our experiences,

710
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: and a lot of times people don't trust it, they

711
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: don't get behind it, they don't support it. But I

712
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: think I know why, and they weaponize it against us,

713
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: and it does affect our bottom line, oh absolutely. And

714
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand is, oh, we can't work

715
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: with her, she's too political. Oh she's got a big voice,

716
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: or oh she you know, she checks these boxes and

717
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't fall in line, and it's that yes.

718
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: Oh she's riskier to hire because when something goes wrong,

719
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: she'll say something. Yes, when someone gets assaulted, she'll report it. Yes,

720
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: when somebody does something inappropriate, she won't look at the floor. Correct.

721
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people don't understand is part

722
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: of the risk. I think people get in certain ways,

723
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: like yeah, it's scary to report. What I want is

724
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: for speaking up, standing up, reporting, rather than what we

725
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: dealt with where when you report it comes with so

726
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: much retaliation. You get punished instead of the abusers getting punished,

727
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 2: and then you lose. You lose all those future opportunities

728
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: because people know you're not a pushover. But until there's

729
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: a whole generation of us willing to bear that brunt,

730
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: it will just continue to happen. And I'm not willing

731
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 2: to let that happen to our daughter. No, And I'm

732
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: definitely not willing to have a son in a world

733
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: where when he stands up for a woman he gets

734
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: made fun of instead of supported.

735
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Correct.

736
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: You know, So it's not easy to say, like, yes,

737
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm willing to lose. I'm willing to lose this endorsement.

738
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm willing to put myself in a much more insecure position.

739
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: But I don't think I could sleep at night if

740
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: I didn't, I don't.

741
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you have such you have so

742
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: much fire in you for justice, and people see that

743
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: you're constantly posting, You're constantly speaking on the right side

744
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: of history and change. What's the quiet side of your

745
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: activism that no one sees?

746
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the all day stuff. That's the kitchen

747
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: cabinet groups that I'm in that meet regularly on Zoom.

748
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: That's the phone calls in the middle of the night.

749
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: That's the I'm traveling internationally and it's midnight, and I'm

750
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: going to get on a Zoom call with Los Angeles

751
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: right now because we're planning something that Really it's the

752
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: underground group advocacy, you know, the group chats, the signal chats,

753
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 2: no war plans and ours, the showing up for things

754
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: that nobody sees. It's all the stuff that happens off camera.

755
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: It's the vetting. It's the you know, being lucky enough

756
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: to be asked to join in rooms where a lot

757
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: of women like me or you aren't being asked to

758
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: join because they've proven to not be so trustworthy for

759
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: women of color or for trans women. The places that

760
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: I get to show up and listen and then figure

761
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: out how, on the sliding scale of privilege we can

762
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: weaponize ours for good. You know, who can we jump

763
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: in front of at a protest because my body is

764
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: slightly less less at risk than theirs? Who who can

765
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: we stand next to so that instead of ten people

766
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: showing up at a town hall, a thousand people show

767
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: up at a town hall. You know. Yeah, that's that's

768
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: community to care for me. And that's that's often very quiet.

769
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: Nobody knows about that. They assume that what they see

770
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: on Instagram is all there is.

771
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: There is also a side that is quiet and is

772
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: also dark. I think the way, you know, specially people

773
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: like us who are queer, who are this administration is

774
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: constantly attacking every day we you know, are losing people

775
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: in our community to violence, to suicide, you name it.

776
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: And I think there is crippling moments where it impacts

777
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: you so greatly it is hard for you to get

778
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: out of bed. It is hard for you. I think

779
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: that side people don't take into consideration of how much

780
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: it penetrates who you are and your energy and your

781
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: willingness to continue to show up and show up and

782
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: show up and show up. How do you protect your

783
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: heart while you're still in this fight, because unfortunately we

784
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: are only even though we feel like this last year

785
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: has been ten years, we're only a year into this.

786
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a year into administration too, and we're ten

787
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: years into the national and global trauma of an authoritarian

788
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: who is literally willing to sell every human person in

789
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: America for his own gain, to private prison companies, to abusers.

790
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: Like it's a kind of collective trauma, and I'm not

791
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: sure people are really wanting to interrogate. And I get

792
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: it because it's very painful. I think for me, I've

793
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: had to figure out how to navigate this in my

794
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: own journey of it. Like getting a a CPTSD diagnosis

795
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: in early twenty eighteen was really hard for me because

796
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: I was always like, no, no, but I can do it.

797
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: I can handle it. I'll fight the guy, I'll do

798
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: the thing, I'll get in front. And I didn't know

799
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: how much in my own individual life that had taken

800
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: a toll. And so now you know, years later, doing

801
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: the work and having the tools, I also know that

802
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the work I do, the activism, the advocacy,

803
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: triggers those very real internal responses, you know, I know

804
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: what it is when my body floods with so much

805
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: anxiety because of so much adrenaline and so much fight

806
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: or flight, that I have like a physical experience of it.

807
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: But what I know, on top of how hard that

808
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: all can be, is that plenty of people have done this,

809
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: that plenty of people have fought harder that if Glorius

810
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: dynam and Audrey Lord did it. I'm not going to

811
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: fucking quit. You know, w Comal Bell, who's the journalist

812
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 2: we love, and he's just he's the best on all friends,

813
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: and his writing's really brilliant, he said recently on his

814
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: sub stack. He was like, Yeah, when I want to

815
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: give up, the ghost of Harriet Tubman walks it behind

816
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: me and smacks me across the back of the head. Yeah, Like,

817
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: who am I to say I'm gonna quit? Yeah, you know,

818
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: And I think those lessons are really important, And so

819
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it well. I don't

820
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: know that I know how to do it in a

821
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: way that is balanced necessarily, But I don't know how

822
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: to stop. And I'm not going to And our kids

823
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: and our friends' kids and everyone's kids, our neighbors kids

824
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: that we know, and we don't deserve better. And when

825
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: I think about shit my grandparents fought through and the

826
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: shit my parents fought through, I just I'm not gonna

827
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: let ours be the generation that gives up on it,

828
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, especially not to some guy who's literally copy

829
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: pasting Hitler speeches like he's original. It's like, so you're

830
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: totally unriginal and just a total bigot, like you don't

831
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: get to win.

832
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: You know.

833
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: There was an authors who wrote this, and I'm sorry

834
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: that I can't remember who it was, but it was

835
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: Emma Thompson reading her writing that sticks in my brain

836
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: and I hear it in her voice and she's like,

837
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: I always knew one day we'd watch the world burn.

838
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: I just didn't know the guy is the people doing

839
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: the burning would be such losers. It's like, yeah, we're

840
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: just we're not losing to the losers.

841
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: No, No, we're not.

842
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: No, we're not, and I think we're not.

843
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: I think the important part here for people watching and

844
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: listening is and what we've been learning in real time

845
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: is boundaries. Yeah, we have to have strong boundaries to

846
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: not let the injustice of what we're all experiencing, especially

847
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, being a queer woman raising a black

848
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: and brown children in this landscape, boundaries are so key

849
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: and what happens outside of the home, we do not

850
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: let penetrate inside of it. And like we do the work,

851
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: we do the fight, we do the things. But I

852
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: do think boundaries are something I'm very set in my

853
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: ways about that you're learning for the first time a

854
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: little bit of forty three.

855
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because boundaries in my industry have always been equated

856
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: to entitlement and undeserved privilege and how dare you and

857
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: who do you think you are? And what I realized

858
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: is that that's all the language of the abuser or

859
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: the oppressor that makes you think you're not allowed to

860
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: ask for more. And it's like, well, it's not a

861
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: big deal to ask not to get groped by my boss.

862
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: I am entitled to ask that I should be entitled

863
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: to say, I'm so sick, I'm in the hospital. No,

864
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: you can't send someone in here to forcibly remove me

865
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: from a hospital bed and bring me back to work

866
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 2: because it's better for your schedule, you know. And those

867
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: were just simply things I didn't understand when I was

868
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to say younger, I want to say

869
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: like newer to the world, working world, so desperate to

870
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: be good, so desperate to be like a good work

871
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: or a good soldier, you know. And I think one

872
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: of the most important things we can do when we

873
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: stay in the fight and we pass the baton in

874
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: the relay of activists when we need to, because the

875
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: only way we get through this is together. I think

876
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: it's also really important to know, like not just what

877
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: we're fighting for so we keep fighting, but what we're

878
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: fighting for, so that we return to joy because joy

879
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: is fuel. Delight is fuel. When we've had a crazy

880
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 2: day with the Human Rights campaign or something insane has

881
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: happened in the Supreme Court and we come home to

882
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: a three and a four year old, they want to party,

883
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: they want to dance, they want to make art, they

884
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: want to do dress up, they want to read books

885
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: and voices. And the greatest thing we can do is

886
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: to continue to give that to them, and then as

887
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: they age, when it's appropriate, share with them the knowledge

888
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: of what society is and what it can be, of

889
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 2: what they can build it into, of what they might encounter,

890
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: but what they also deserve. And I think I just

891
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: am excited for our generation of advocates and activists to

892
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: be parenting because of the amount of not to fully

893
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: nerd out, but you know.

894
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: You look at your face. I know, like the white papers.

895
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: We get to read, the psychology, we understand, the research

896
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: we have on child development, all the shit our parents

897
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: didn't have. Like they were building the plane as they

898
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: fly it, flew it with us. We are kind of

899
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: but like it's halfway done, and I think we're kind

900
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: of the first generation that has that much information at

901
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: our fingertips. And I'm really excited to see whether it's

902
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: an ocean August Frankie, like all these babies grow up,

903
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna be the coolest teenagers, Like, oh my god,

904
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to have conversations with them on this couch.

905
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Speaker 1: I agree, Honey, these aren't rapid fast answers.

906
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: I know I'm long winded, which I think, judging by

907
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: the looks on all your producers' faces, means we're gonna

908
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: have to stop here and come back for part two.

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Speaker 1: No one is surprised, Nope. Part two