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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. It is a rainy Thursday here

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Feels like fall a little bit out there.

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Speaker 2: It does, and it's even like what you know, kind

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Speaker 2: of muted the the uh lantern flies a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of a I don't have them at home,

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Speaker 3: which isn't far from nor do I hunder fifteen minutes away.

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Speaker 3: You're a little further. But boy, there is a lot

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Speaker 3: of them walking from the car into the station.

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Speaker 2: They seem to like the iHeart building here quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: I did have. I pulled off quite an amazing feat today.

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Speaker 2: I heard I got four lantern bugs on one step

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Speaker 2: one step killed. I think they were having like a

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Speaker 2: little lantern bug worgy going on there, and I broke

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Speaker 2: it up like I was coming there. I came rolling

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Speaker 2: in with the flashlight and lover's lane and start.

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Speaker 3: Having a good time and squashed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did not finish.

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Speaker 3: Today was a little different. Today they was they were

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Speaker 3: all hiding, not avoiding the rain. So they were all like,

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Speaker 3: if you you could get a lot at once.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that was what I've been trying to

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Speaker 2: you know. I just like yesterday, walking from the media

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Speaker 2: room at the Steelers facility over to the facility itself.

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Speaker 2: You have to cross the parking lot and I stepped

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Speaker 2: on seven without diverting my step, my walking, just my

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Speaker 2: natural walking. Now I might have, you know, gone six

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Speaker 2: inches to the left or six inches to allah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just smash smash, smash smash.

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Speaker 3: So was that the distance of the indoor, like you

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Speaker 3: go around the edge.

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Speaker 2: No, that was across the parking lot.

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Speaker 3: Across a lot, okay, and then you went through the indoor.

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Speaker 2: No, that was from the from the indoor parking indoor

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Speaker 2: indoor indoor.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good, pretty good kill there. Yeah, that's quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how often you walk the road, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like never, No, I don't have to do that yet.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can't get in the indoor, but someone lets

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Speaker 3: me and I do. But that is that's great kill

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Speaker 3: zone right there, because there's all those bushes on there

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Speaker 3: right by the road. They love them.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how this works though, So this year, it's

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Speaker 2: the lantern flies. Like the previous two years that have

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Speaker 2: been stink bugs. They had the little uh they look

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Speaker 2: like lady bugs, but they're not lady bugs. We had

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Speaker 2: an infestation of those a few years ago and they

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Speaker 2: were all over the back of the facility steelers practice.

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Speaker 3: And then there's like sincatas cicadas. Cicadas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well those are natural, they're they're natives to seven

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Speaker 2: years whatever, right, those are those are natives. Okay, they're

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Speaker 2: not invasive.

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Speaker 3: Stink bug question for you. Okay, I've never smelled one.

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Speaker 3: We had a lot of them at the house. I've

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Speaker 3: killed one here and there, usually to show them out

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Speaker 3: because always like that. I don't get the stink.

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Speaker 2: Par I've smelt it before when you like smash them

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 3: That seems overrated to be here. I just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's not the worst thing. It's not like a skunk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't change my life.

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Speaker 2: We've really gone off the rails here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're talking about today. Well to the drive.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lelly's I mentioned

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Speaker 2: and Matt.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're one step though.

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Speaker 2: I was quite proud of myself. Now, nobody was around

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Speaker 2: to see it. I just kind of pumped my fist

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Speaker 2: in the air a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to accept the try to be now. I

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Speaker 3: know exactly by that trash can when you walk out

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Speaker 3: of here, one big size twelve might get more than four.

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Speaker 2: I got a thirteen. So really, yeah, I get the

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Speaker 2: extra inch or whatever that is.

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Speaker 3: It's a big advantage.

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Speaker 2: If the Steelers are play. If the Steelers do what

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Speaker 2: they want to do this week, not only will uh

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Speaker 2: they introduce themselves to the AFC Offensive Rookie of the Month.

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Speaker 2: The AFC's defensive player of the month well introduce himself

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Speaker 2: to the AFC offensive player Offensive Rookie of the Month quite.

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Speaker 3: Often, quite often, and I bet the defensive player of

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Speaker 2: It more probably.

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Speaker 3: So. Yeah, the O line situation for the Texans is

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Speaker 3: It's grimmer than ever. Not a good week for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So what I'm talking about here is that TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt was named the AFC Defensive Player of the Month

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Speaker 2: for the month of September, and of course, uh Texas

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Speaker 2: Texans rookie quarterback CJ. Stroud was the offensive Rookie of

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Speaker 2: the Month for the AFC.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see any of that. I just put two

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Speaker 3: and two together when you were saying that's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 2: I hope that that was that was the case.

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Speaker 3: Who was the defensive player? Who was the defensive rookie

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Speaker 3: and offensive player? The defensive rookie was Carter Jayden Carter.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they split them up AFC and NFC, so there's

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Speaker 3: two of each. Yeah, yeah, okay, well whatever.

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Speaker 2: The AFC Rookie of the month was their defensive rookie

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Speaker 2: of the month. I just looked at this and I

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Speaker 2: can't think of who it was now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking here to see if it's fitballing in

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Speaker 3: my noodle.

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Speaker 2: I probably have an email from the league about that.

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Speaker 2: Good now you put me on the spot.

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Speaker 3: NFL dot com might have it.

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Speaker 2: There we go, we go. AFC two was the offensive

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Speaker 2: for yeah, one game, Like, okay, that that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: What was the defensive player? Once?

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Speaker 3: I think they had more yards in that game than

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Speaker 3: the Titans have this year.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 3: He heard that somewhere, but I didn't confirm it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Bill Bill's kicker, Tyler Bass was the there's a

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Speaker 2: special teams player.

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Speaker 3: It should have been who made the fullback.

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Speaker 2: The Colts kicker should have been five five to fifty

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Speaker 3: Goals in a pretty strong effort. Just on that, based

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Speaker 3: on that one game, including a game winner.

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Speaker 2: Including the game winner for fifty fifty three fifty.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Bass has been great, but beating Washington by

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Speaker 3: one hundred it wasn't because.

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Speaker 2: Of Bass seventy seven for seven on field? Was he

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Speaker 2: has two fifty yarders?

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Speaker 3: Okay, no game winners or yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would say too. Christian McCaffrey was the NFC offensive player.

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Speaker 3: I think that's strong.

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Speaker 2: I'm cool with that, like Michaeh Parces was the defensive

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Speaker 2: player of the month. And Tampa Bay punter Jake Carmarta

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Speaker 2: that's it. I know I saw it was. Christian Gazalez

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Speaker 3: Been really good for them. Yeah, all their Joneses are

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Speaker 3: hurt at corner in New England. If people aren't familiar,

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Speaker 3: he looks like a long pressman corner that we like

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Speaker 3: so much coming out of school.

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Speaker 2: Now for the rookies, they don't do a f C

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Speaker 2: versus NFC. They just picked rookies, one rookie for each.

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Speaker 2: Stroud was the the NFL rookie of the month.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so when the Steelers trade up in the first round,

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Speaker 3: I thought it might be for Gonzales. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I was shocked. You last as long as he did.

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Speaker 3: So New England is in good shape with him, and

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Speaker 3: they moved down a couple of spots.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's three games. Yeah, yeah, it's not much

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Speaker 2: like it is Stroud. It's three games. No Miles Garrett

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Speaker 2: winning the.

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Speaker 3: Well when I didn't even conference based for each month,

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Speaker 3: and when you said what, I'm like, he has to

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Speaker 3: be the choice. I think he'd get it over Parsons

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Speaker 3: even Yeah, and I'm not sure who too would be.

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Speaker 3: I thought maybe Garrett, maybe Parsons, but it's far and away. WAT.

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Speaker 2: Garrett had one good game last week against the Titans.

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Speaker 2: He had three defense in the league, he had three

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Speaker 2: and a half. Set Again, if I look at who

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Speaker 2: they've played offensively, they.

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Speaker 3: Don't even get first downs.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow with was not is not good right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would have given it to the WAT too,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Garrett's had a pretty good year.

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Speaker 2: But I just think so. I mean, Cleveland's a good defense.

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Speaker 2: I'm not arguing that their defense is playing great. I

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Speaker 2: want to see what it starts to look like here

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Speaker 2: as teams get more of a notebook on what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Coach and a person and b when they play more

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Speaker 3: like that's the best time to play the Bengals ever, Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: without a doh, without question, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Ye, and the Titans might be The Titans might be

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Speaker 2: that team all year long.

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Speaker 3: Titans are a terrible matchup too, because the strength of

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Speaker 3: O line. Yeah, they're awful, right, and therefore they got

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Speaker 3: ninety four yards or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Bad, No, those are all good choices.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just it just I got as soon

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Speaker 2: as that happened, I tweeted it out and I've got

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Speaker 2: fifty responses. You might want to tell PFF that because

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Speaker 2: they have Garrett graded way ahead of watch right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For the season even Yeah, I know they did the

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Speaker 3: one the head the head game for the season. Really

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Speaker 3: that's strange.

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Speaker 2: It's that whole pass rush win rate stuff, well, which

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Speaker 2: is fine to me. Winning your pass rush means you

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Speaker 2: took down the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He is the most hit is the most.

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Speaker 2: Or hit the quarterback or did whatever, Like winning your

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Speaker 2: pass rush and not getting to the quarterback is not

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Speaker 2: winning your pass rush.

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Speaker 3: I mean. So, so not only does what on pace

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Speaker 3: for thirty four sacks, but he also has the most combination.

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Speaker 3: He's put the quarterback on the turf the most in

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Speaker 3: the league, I think, by like four more than everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Garrett's second.

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Speaker 2: The main thing is he's done it legally, like there's

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Speaker 2: been no laid hits. I mean, he's getting there just

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Speaker 2: as the quarterback, So it affects the quarterback though.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you hit the quarterback legally, you hit the

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Speaker 3: quarterback leg.

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Speaker 2: He may have wanted to hold the ball for an

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Speaker 2: extra We saw it again with the interception Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 2: had the other day. Wat's closing in on Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 2: and Garoppolo just says, ah, I don't want that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and just threw the ball away where he thought was

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Speaker 2: throwing it away, and well Patrick Peterson picked it off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, even if you wouldn't have picked it off,

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Speaker 3: it's still a great play because it's in completion. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean so, I mean, I do think Wat's the

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Speaker 3: obvious choice. I mean, when I was thinking of who

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Speaker 3: were other competitors, Parsons and Garrett were the two that

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Speaker 3: came to mind.

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Speaker 2: There are the two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. So, no, it

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Speaker 3: makes sense. Stroud's probably an easy one too.

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Speaker 3: This week and he can either way. I don't know

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Speaker 3: But he's he's really high in terms of route participation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so they play a lot with a fullback,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's one less guy that's going to be

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Speaker 2: it's like eight of eight for fourteen for like sixty

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Speaker 2: Going to You're going to give up just over sixty

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Speaker 2: And you, I mean, if I look at Houston's defense

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Speaker 3: I mean all the inbreaking stuff they've been using with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it should be interesting. Yeah, it's funny. You

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Speaker 2: This is the pregame thing that we did. A lot

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Speaker 3: Comments that's fun, but you guys out there might get

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Speaker 2: They are fun just looking at something here. This was stunning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they paid a lot of money and there were.

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Speaker 3: I got two thoughts on that, but okay, he was.

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Speaker 3: And he's one of the most highly paid corners in

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Speaker 2: I've heard some of that about and there's a pretty

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Speaker 2: It's a similar thing. The coaching staffs at those places

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Speaker 3: And you don't take the guys that don't learn the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, frankly, what the Chargers did with him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean you should have all that

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Speaker 3: Boy they would. I mean maybe it worked out better,

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Speaker 2: No, he's not even active.

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Speaker 2: Like two million dollars a game, the worst defensive elite. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, we're gonna get to a break when we

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Speaker 2: come back. We'll be joined by Bob Labriola, the editor

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Speaker 2: when we return. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: Matt's gonna go out and try to break my record.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt. The Steelers have a game upcoming against the

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Speaker 2: Houston Texas. Is the team they've only faced seven times

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Speaker 2: in the existence of both Some memorable games here, of course,

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Speaker 3: My memory was at Heinsfield. Like Tim Ben's always blows

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Speaker 3: and week fourteen. I'm no, I kind of remember this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I remember the Tommy Maddox game. I

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Speaker 3: in the league, and I could find it in a second.

442
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Speaker 2: I forget they came in the same year as the Browns,

443
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 2: didn't they or maybe the year after.

444
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they had different expansion league expansion rules in

445
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 3: the Browns. It might make excuses for the Browns, but

446
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 3: the Browns got really screwed over with their expansion rules.

447
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 2: Compared to well, uh, Texans started in two thousand and two,

448
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: so it was three years after they played. They basically

449
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: came in under the same rules that the Browns had

450
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 2: because because Carolina and Jacksonville came in a little too easy,

451
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 2: they get it a little bit too easy. And the

452
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: next you know, and the next year both were in

453
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 2: their conference championship games and the owner said, we're not

454
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 2: going to let that happen again.

455
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 3: Beselli and Kerry Collins, and yeah, they good dudes right

456
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 3: off the bat, and they were able to steal from

457
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 3: other teams more so. Well. The a couple of reasons

458
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: the Texans and Steelers haven't met that often is they've

459
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 3: been around long. Obviously, they don't really ever go to

460
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: the playoffs. That's an issue. They have not met in

461
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 3: the postseason. And I'm much trying to pick on the Texans,

462
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: but the Steelers rarely finished in fourth place in their division.

463
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: They rarely well, there was a stretch there where the

464
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: Texans were.

465
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 3: You know, Johnson years and yeah, yeah, I mean the

466
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: uh what's his face the offensive coordinated for the Patriots.

467
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 2: He always had Hell O'Brien had them. JJ Watt years

468
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: nine and seven.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they would win that division from time

470
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: to time. Yeah, but early were they the same seed

471
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 3: in their division?

472
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 2: Correct? Yeah? Yeah, So yeah, it's just it's not been

473
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 2: a franchise that that has had a ton of success

474
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 2: to this point. And in fact, if you look at the.

475
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 3: In the last couple of years, have been rough.

476
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 2: So the four expansion franchises that have come into the league.

477
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 3: Those four the we's mentioned, Yeah, how would you rank

478
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: those now?

479
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on what they've done since they've come back.

480
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 2: So you're talking about Jacksonville and Carolina.

481
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 3: The Browns have to be last.

482
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: Houston and yeah, Cleveland, Like if.

483
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 3: We're talking about their body of work as an organization

484
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 3: since they were granted a franchise in the league, Browns

485
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: are worse. Yeah, i mean they've had some i mean

486
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: they got one playoff win. I mean they've had one

487
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: hundred quarterbacks. Yeah. The fact that Houston had those years

488
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: is pretty decent. Jacksonville seems like they're either good or bad.

489
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: There's nothing, there's not much in between.

490
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's that whole stretch like when they

491
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: were drafting four net Ramsey Bortles, they had an unbelievable

492
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 3: stretch of top like six picks. But they also had

493
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: the Coughlin years and the Fred Taylor's and Jimmy Smith's

494
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: and Brunel and they're respectable. Again them were Carolina for

495
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: number one. Caroline's been to a super Bowl.

496
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: Carolina has been to a Super.

497
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: Bowl, and they were fifteen to one with Cam Newton

498
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 3: he won the MVP.

499
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: I think they would probably end up being number one.

500
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Speaker 3: I mean even like Steve Smith and Jordan Gross, like

501
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 3: they've had some dudes. Yeah, I mean not that Jacksonville hasn't,

502
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: but I would say they're one Jacksonville's two probably.

503
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 2: And then Houston. Houston, Houston has one Hall of Famer

504
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 2: in their history, and they could only claim this because

505
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: Ed Reid played there for one year. One year one

506
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 2: they claim him. I'm looking on their Wikipedia page here

507
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: and is Houston Texans Hall of Famer.

508
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: That does not count it even a little bit. He

509
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: was terrible for them too, Yeah, right, I mean, like

510
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: could have been better. His Hall of Fame case have

511
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: been stronger if he didn't play that year.

512
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was still strong.

513
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 3: Oh he was going no matter what.

514
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

515
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: I think Andre Johnson very much belongs and I don't

516
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 3: think the committee agrees with me because he doesn't get

517
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: as far as you'd think.

518
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: The receiver stuff is so tough. I know, it's just ridiculous.

519
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: Like I put him in over like Holt and Bruce

520
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: and some of the guys.

521
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: See, I don't know if I could put him in over.

522
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

523
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 3: I think he's a stud.

524
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, but you know it's.

525
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit of a sucker for the prototypical

526
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: six three two and twenty pounds huge person.

527
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: But I get it, and and but it also what

528
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: what did you do on the field, and you know,

529
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: did you win playoff games that you know, those kind

530
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: of things. I mean, J will go.

531
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about JJ will g Yeah, JJ.

532
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Will definitely go. Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson led to the

533
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: league in receptions twice. He led the league in receiving

534
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: yards twice.

535
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: How many years of you play? I mean, I know

536
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 3: a down year or two with the Colts at the end.

537
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: No, uh yeah, just those two times.

538
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: I remember from a fantasy world. He was never a

539
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: big touchdown guy, him and Julio.

540
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he never got double digits and touchdowns.

541
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: It was always a knock on him for whatever reason. Yeah,

542
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: I would say the best quarterback you ever had was

543
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: probably Matt Schaub, which is okay.

544
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: I mean there's a year here. So in twenty twelve

545
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: he had one hundred and twelve catches, a career high

546
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred and ninety eight yards. He scored four touchdowns.

547
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: I mean, there's real fluky, or maybe he stinks at

548
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: scoring touchdowns. I have a hard time believing that a

549
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: school career.

550
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: The years he led the league in receptions. In two

551
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: thousand and six he had one hundred and three receptions,

552
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: five touchdowns.

553
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: In two thousand first round picking fantasy and kind of

554
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 3: let you down again and not you know.

555
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Okay, we got Bob Labriola here ready to join us,

556
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: but just eight touchdowns and he led the league with

557
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen receptions.

558
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: But I wonder if they have like a ring of

559
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: honor who they do is I'm sure they do.

560
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: They do, and he's in it labs. How you doing

561
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: pretty good?

562
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: Guys? How are you great? We're doing?

563
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: We're doing? Is this a game that you live in

564
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: your fears?

565
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: I live in my fears all the time.

566
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: You are the lord of living in fears. The Duke

567
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: of doom.

568
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: What would be your biggest concern?

569
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: Did we lose labs again? Already? We gotta get labs,

570
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: got to get like a we got to get them

571
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: a better phone system or something here. Something needs to change,

572
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 2: something needs to change. Well, we'll continue with our So

573
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: you've got they have them. They do have a ring

574
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: of arn. They've got two people in their ring. They're

575
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: actually going to induct JJ Watt this weekend before Sunday's game.

576
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: It's actually a cool kind of thing. They're doing it

577
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: with yea, with TJ there.

578
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: All right, I should have done that before Thursday.

579
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's Andre Johnson, great, Bob McNair, and now

580
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: it's going to be jj Watt.

581
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a little sad.

582
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: It is a little You got three guys and one

583
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: of them is your.

584
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: Only one of them doesn't never took a snap. I'm

585
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 3: sure he's a swell dude, you know, but you kind

586
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: of almost a little obligated.

587
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: But that's what some of these teams do though, where

588
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: they put like everybody goes into their ring of honor,

589
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: like oh, I.

590
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: Know, I mean there are definitely some teams that are.

591
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of where we're all I know

592
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: what it was, Atlanta Falcons Ring of Honor.

593
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I bet they have some.

594
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: Like I was looking at that when we were down there,

595
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Let's

596
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: see here. It is the eleven players in the Falcons

597
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor.

598
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: So like back while you're looking at back to our

599
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: other conversation. The Browns since they've been back, I mean

600
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: Joe Thomas and then it's a stretch. Yeah, the other

601
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: two at least have some dudes.

602
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: Talk to Roddy White. They claim work done, which he played.

603
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: He played there as long as he played in Tampa,

604
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: but it was like five or six years in each place, like.

605
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: I can hear. I'm cool with them claiming Tony Gonzalez. Yeah, no,

606
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean work on because his body of work just

607
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: as a Falcon wouldn't. I mean, he'd be the fifth

608
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: best Steeler running back ever, you know what I mean?

609
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Like Gerald Riggs, good, no, great, Dion Sanders he played

610
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: four years for them though.

611
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: First contract and then they couldn't afford him.

612
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: He's left claudefted him, Clotte hup Frees.

613
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good player. Mike Kenn offensive tackle, Yeah, Jeff

614
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: Van Note Center. Yeah, he looks like he's one hundred

615
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: years old when he was Jesse Tuggle. These guys are

616
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: reaches man, Tommy Nobus, the old school folks will tell

617
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: you he belongs. But I don't know enough about Steve Barkowski.

618
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: Good player, and I mean he's like Kirk Cousins, William Andrews.

619
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: I always like William Andrews as a kid, and that's it.

620
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: He caught balls as a big guy before. That's it.

621
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: And none of them are like, Julio's not there yet,

622
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: not yet, Matt Ryan will go. Yeah, I mean they should.

623
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're I mean, Julio's going the Hall

624
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: of Fame. Matt Ryan's a Ring of Honor type. Dude.

625
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: I would put Tony Gonzalez in if I were them.

626
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: I guess they probably will at some point. But he

627
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: didn't spend all that much time.

628
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I mean, I thought he was

629
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: there five years or so. I mean, he has a

630
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: better case and work done. My only point on that one,

631
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: who else would even be lately?

632
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: It's that's just I was looking at that when we

633
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: were sitting down there before the game. I'm like, oh,

634
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: this is a bad ring of honor.

635
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Michael Vick.

636
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they want to go there yet.

637
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: I don't. He played Ryans.

638
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Gonzales played his final five years.

639
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: Okay, they were good though.

640
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's more, he's a chief.

641
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: He's a chief.

642
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: But that's to me, that's kind of like claiming work

643
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: done but better.

644
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I thought he was more

645
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: of a contributor than more. I mean, work Done, Wark

646
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: Done was a really good player. I'm not getting this

647
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: isn't a knock work done.

648
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: John ran for almost eleven thousand yards.

649
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great career, but I remember worked When

650
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: I think of work Done as a Falcon, it was TJ.

651
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: Duckett Work Done, who were very very very different, and

652
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: Michael Vick was their quarterback, which makes the running backs

653
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: life a thousand times easier, especially back then watch all

654
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: that tape.

655
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: Work Done had five one thousand yard seasons in his

656
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: career with the Falcons. Three of them were with the Falcons.

657
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: Decent, so I mean good, I guess, I mean whatever.

658
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: I but I was the same way you were. I'm

659
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: like work done in the Falcons Ring of honor.

660
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he did more with Tampa. Yeah, how

661
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: many more? I'm just curious how many years did he

662
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Speaker 3: played versus THO.

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Speaker 2: Well, he went back to Tampa for his final year,

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Speaker 2: so he played. He played ends up playing six years,

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Speaker 2: six years for Tampa in five years for Atlanta. No

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Speaker 2: more even than I even thought three four or five, No,

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Speaker 2: six years for both.

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Speaker 3: Six for both. Yeah, I guess that's a better case

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Speaker 3: than I originally thought. I'll give the Falcons.

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Speaker 2: He actually had eighty one yards with the Falcons and

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Speaker 2: four nine and eighty six rushing yards with Tampa.

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Speaker 3: So maybe be in both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess there's I guess how.

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Speaker 3: Many people on the planet are in two rings of honor?

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Speaker 3: But that's gonna be a lot.

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Speaker 2: You think, Well, maybe, I mean, maybe it's more now I.

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Speaker 3: Would saying not in the day. Yeah, in the seventies,

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Speaker 3: there weren't. I mean there will be going forward, like

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Speaker 3: Gonzalez will be in both. Don will be in both.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Dion might be in three of them. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I heard I've heard people talking and that

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Speaker 2: just takes me down another rabbit hole here. So we're

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Speaker 2: watching the uh the Colorado game in Vegas and uh,

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Speaker 2: as we're watching the game and they're playing Oregon, and

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Speaker 2: I thought that they would lose, and they bought Colorado

686
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Speaker 2: was in Oregons.

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Speaker 3: They weren't the prospects and recruits yet. Yeah, and they

688
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Speaker 3: got hammered, right, they got hammed.

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Speaker 2: They just got crushed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there were a lot of people around kind of

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, you know, celebrating this. And I gotta

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Speaker 2: admit I was like, okay, like, I don't mind seeing

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Speaker 2: de On getting a little come up ins here. The

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Speaker 2: next day, I see all this stuff on Twitter. Oh,

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Speaker 2: and people trying to say that that was racist. Racism

697
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with it. If you put yourself

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Speaker 2: out there, you talk all the smack that he's talked,

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Speaker 2: and do all the things, it's fantastic. And I get it,

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Speaker 2: he's gotten all the attention in Colorado. But when you

701
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Speaker 2: court that attention, don't be surprised that people are like, oh, okay, well,

702
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: I guess you failed in this one, right, Like you

703
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: put yourself, you build yourself up onto that pedestal. It's

704
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Speaker 2: it's only natural in many cases for the world to

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Speaker 2: want to see you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, like you've gotten too far too fast.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they put the Organs the world the car

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Speaker 2: was put before the horse, and that two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching I'm watching Sunday Night Football or Sunday Football,

710
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: and they're they're doing a commercial for sixty minutes and

711
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Speaker 2: sixty minutes has a sit down interview with Dean Sanders.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, really, they've won two games, he's taken college

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00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: football by storm and got the you got Colorado ranked?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so along those lines, I found it hilarious

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Speaker 3: or where the world is right now? Because Tim Benz

716
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: told me this other night when we did our Wednesday

717
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: night show Kelsey Jerseys. Since the Yeah, they went like

718
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: four hundred percent more purchases since Sunday because Swifties are

719
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: now buying them. You know, like, hey, by what have

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Speaker 3: you one? I don't care. But Dion was kind of

721
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: like in that stratosphere all of a sudden, like transcending sports.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's on sixty minutes, you know, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's a little a little too much too soon there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I get for him, that's great. He's trying to recruit,

725
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: he's trying to get his name out there. He's trying

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Speaker 2: to get Colorado back on the on the my.

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Speaker 3: Son tells me like that Dion does in social media

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Speaker 3: is innovative. I mean it's super smart. I mean you're

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Speaker 3: appealing to people. My son's age sixteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: Back for what he's for what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: But you know it's compared to us writing handwritten notes

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Speaker 3: and sticking them in the mail like we used to know. Johnny,

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Speaker 3: please come to pit.

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Speaker 2: I love Matt.

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Speaker 3: Who is this?

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Speaker 2: Well, we've really gotten off the off there talking about bugs.

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Speaker 2: We could do that. Anyways, we should probably get to

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Speaker 2: another break here. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the drive. Apparently we're not getting labs

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Speaker 2: again today. Somebody from I do Level. I'm really off

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Speaker 2: the rails today. Somebody who's Twitter hander or ex Twitter handle,

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Speaker 2: that's what I could go ex Twitter. Their handle is

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Speaker 2: Boozy mcliver damage hold on.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that maybe Boozy's not gonna be with us much longer.

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Speaker 3: But thanks for the fall.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Anyways, we're gonna get to a break.

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Speaker 2: game in the AFC North this week as the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Browns host the Baltimore Ravens. And I mentioned this to

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Speaker 2: you yesterday. I don't know if you've given it any

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Speaker 2: more thoughts since if you're a Steelers fan, who do

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Speaker 2: you want to win that game? No?

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Speaker 3: I haven't. I think I want the Ravens to win

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Speaker 3: the game. Uh. That's there's a lot of angles there though,

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Speaker 3: because you beat the Browns head to head, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: which is important in this equation, I think everyone's very

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Speaker 3: much in the race and the division. The I think

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Speaker 3: the Browns are the biggest threat of the division right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like if I had to bet who wins

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Speaker 3: the division, yet they don't ever win the division, do

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, I trust the Ravens

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Speaker 3: to handle the whitewater ahead more than I do the Browns.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, do you have a strong feel for it.

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like if the if the.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind one of them looking awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like I wouldn't midim, but you know

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't mind him both looking off. Oh sure, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but and that could happen too. But I know thus far,

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Speaker 2: I don't I haven't been impressed with Baltimore. I wasn't impressed.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think they'd be very good going into the season.

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Speaker 3: They're getting a little healthier, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: I still that doesn't fix the offense.

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Speaker 3: All right. That's kind of why I wanted them to win, ye,

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Speaker 3: because I don't think they're on their best day as good.

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Speaker 2: They're averaging five point two yards per play right now.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens are, Yeah, but it's so like Lamar has

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Speaker 2: five hundred and seventy passing yards.

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Speaker 3: I think they're leading rushery and he's.

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Speaker 2: Their leading rusher by over fifty yards. I mean, so

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Speaker 2: tell me what's changed here with this Todd Monkin offense.

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Speaker 3: And so they went back to I think he had

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Speaker 3: like fifteen carries or something last week. Yeah, back to

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Speaker 3: Lamar carry us. You know, put everyone on your shoulders.

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00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: Other than than Mark Andrews has thirteen targets in two games,

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Speaker 2: which isn't nearly enough. He's got nine catches for eighty yards.

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Speaker 2: Like everything they throw is short. Yeah, I mean their

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Speaker 2: average what is Lamar's average depth.

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Speaker 3: I still think their defense is the worst of the

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Speaker 3: four units in the in the division.

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Speaker 2: I think so too, although defense.

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Speaker 3: Offense has struggled though they're.

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Speaker 2: Giving up four point two yards or four point one

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Speaker 2: yards per play.

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Speaker 3: It's not bad.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I'm saying that's better than I thought. Huh.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're obviously scheming some things up here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but who did they play off? They played? They

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Speaker 3: lost the Colts. They've played Houston Houston week one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Houston, the Colts and the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: And there aren't a lot of a lot of these

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Speaker 3: teams that are that are and I don't think their

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Speaker 3: defense has played great.

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Speaker 2: No, I think a lot of these teams that are

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Speaker 2: in the top of the defensive standings right now have

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Speaker 2: played the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's certainly helpful. I mean it does

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Speaker 3: help the Browns. It does help you know, Baltimore for sure.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have a strong feeling of it.

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Speaker 3: Be great to see the Browns lose.

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Speaker 2: You know that one of them is going to lose.

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Speaker 2: One of those two teams is going to get delt

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Speaker 2: second loss. I guess in the grand scheme of things,

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Speaker 2: you'd like maybe the Browns to lose one. It's a

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Speaker 2: home game.

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Speaker 3: I will give them two division losses.

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Speaker 2: To their second division loss.

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Speaker 3: Which is a lot at the end of September.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that would be that would be helpful. And

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Speaker 2: the Steelers play the Ravens next week. The Ravens are

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Speaker 2: in a stretcher. This is the first one, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: first of three straight road games for the Ravens, and

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Speaker 2: the third one is in London against.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a buy after right, No, there's no

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Speaker 3: buy after one or something. Yeah, and put up, shut

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Speaker 3: up time for them I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it's a big stretch of them. So they play

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Speaker 2: at Cleveland, at Pittsburgh, at Tennessee, then they come back

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00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: from London with no rest, no extra rest.

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Speaker 3: That Tennessee game, of course they'll be favored. But after

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Speaker 3: a Steeler game, I don't want to play the Titans. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's because they're you know, they're physical. They

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Speaker 3: might not be talented, but their physically and.

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Speaker 2: That game is London, so it's an at but it's

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Speaker 2: they're both traveling. And then they come home again and

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Speaker 2: play the Lions. That's a four game that's a tough

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Speaker 2: four game stretch. Three of those games on the road.

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Speaker 3: So I know we're not talking Bengals, but they have

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Speaker 3: three but look like easy games.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's for them right now.

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Speaker 3: And then they get their by which hopefully Burrow heels

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00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: because then they go to San franz and then they

856
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: host the bill. Yeah you know, so I was just

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Speaker 3: pulling up EPA stuff for the division. By their standards,

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Speaker 3: the Browns d is best. Ravens is slightly ahead of

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Speaker 3: the Steelers, who's slightly ahead of the Bengals just defensively.

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Speaker 3: Of the offenses, they have the Ravens as the only

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Speaker 3: one above average thus far.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I've seen nothing that looks above average.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm looking at this grid right here,

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00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: and they're here. I mean there's a dozen teams ahead

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all sideways past and everyone else is

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Speaker 2: the only The only thing that makes the Ravens offense

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Speaker 2: above average right now is Lamar exactly exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's running, is running, and he's throwing the pretty well.

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Speaker 3: But it's not like they're people.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of sideway stuff. Yeah, here's the Browns

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Speaker 2: schedule this, This is why this is such an interesting

873
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Speaker 2: match up here. So they get the Ravens this week.

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Speaker 2: They're on their bye week in week five.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want that earlier.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty early.

877
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 3: Here's what they face injuries? Do they have to? I

878
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: don't not.

879
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: Chop and Conklin aren't coming.

880
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: Whatever happens this week is Yeah.

881
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: So coming out of the bye, they host San Francisco.

882
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: You mentioned this after Week one, like Sears got wiped

883
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: up by San fran but the other three divisions they Yeah,

884
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: that's so that is on the horizon for all these guys.

885
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: So it's San Francisco at Indianapolis at Seattle. Who then

886
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: they get Arizona at home. Yeah, then they're at Baltimore

887
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: and they get the Steelers. Rematch with the Steelers. Okay,

888
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: so important stretches here for both of those teams.

889
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 3: And I thought Watson played much better of this past week.

890
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: Let's see two weeks in a row. Yeah, I mean

891
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: I thought he threw the ball better and looked more comfortable. Okay,

892
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: but I'll be impressed if I see the second one

893
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: in a row, which could happen.

894
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: I mean they could.

895
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: I mean he's a very talent player.

896
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least was. Yeah, you know, but I just

897
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: this Ravens offense right now is yeah, so lamarcentric that.

898
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: He always has been, you know, which, to me, it

899
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: lends him to more of his greatness than people want

900
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: to give him credit for, especially around here.

901
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

902
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets as much credit as people think,

903
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: or as credit or help as people think.

904
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, So I'm looking at his passing

905
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: stats here. He's turned for six hundred and eight yards.

906
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: M That sound great.

907
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: He has two touchdown passes he's running low. Yeah, yeah,

908
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: he's run for two touchdowns like he's not been like

909
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: I've seen fighting it up. No, Lamar's in the MVP conversation.

910
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't see that. I don't.

911
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: I don't see that either. I mean, he's a good

912
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 2: player and he's under their offense right now. But I

913
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: you know.

914
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he's near the MVP conversation.

915
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: But he's right back to averaging, you know, through he's

916
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: their leading ball carrier. He's got thirty two carries through

917
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: three games. Remember he didn't run much in week one.

918
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: No, he didn't have to. Yeah.

919
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's got thirty two carries for one hundred

920
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: and ninety three yards. He's averaging sixty four yards per game, like.

921
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: Sixty four rushing yards for game.

922
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is he going to make it through the sea yet?

923
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: To wonder? Is he gonna make it Old Habits again?

924
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

925
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just paid him a ton. You know, like

926
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, for example, cut down his running tremendously this year.

927
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 3: And I saw something just the other day about design

928
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 3: Josh Allen runs. They've been like cutting half and they've

929
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: had a huge lead against Washington. Why would you run

930
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: Josh Allen? But he just paid this guy. They're not

931
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: a rookie anymore. You don't want them getting hit over

932
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: and over. You know, I feel like Baltimore has to

933
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: have him get hit over and over to win games.

934
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. I remember in the

935
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: preseason when he was talking about throwing for six thousand yards.

936
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: At the current pace that he is at, he would

937
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: need to play about Oh, I don't know, one hundred

938
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: football games to get there.

939
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, if they'd this today, I think Kirk Cousin's on

940
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: pace will throw for seventy two hundred yards. Yeah, I

941
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: mean something, something that's unattainable, but just out of this world.

942
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of my point with the whole You know,

943
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: it's not about putting up a bunch of yards, it's

944
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: about winning the games. Yeah, they're zero to three and

945
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: he's throwing for all these yards. Oh, the games are

946
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: entertaining a hell right, he's throwing the ball all over

947
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: the yard. They can't win, Yeah.

948
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: That's all they got.

949
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: You do have to balance entertainment with winning. Entertainment doesn't

950
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: matter because you can entertain the hell out of people,

951
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: but if you don't win, you're not going to be

952
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: around very long.

953
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he may even get traded at the trade headline

954
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: or something, you know, when they're one and six or whatever.

955
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, if you were the Jets, would you

956
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: at least call the Vikings?

957
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: And I just don't know how you can pay him,

958
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: And that's the prodgers, that's the problem. But you'd only

959
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 3: his contracts up after the year. Yeah, so you would

960
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: have to pay him his weekly salary.

961
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: It's fully guaranted, but it's fully guaranteed. So he's getting

962
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: that money and I.

963
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: Don't know how they make that work or not. But

964
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: the nice thing is then he leaves after the year,

965
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a third round compick for him.

966
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Big whoop? I mean, because you're going to give up

967
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: more than that to get him, would you though, If

968
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm the Vikings, I'm like, yeah, I'll give him up

969
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: if you want to give me a first round pick.

970
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if we've talked about this, but

971
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: now that Rogers, remember the Packers were either getting the first.

972
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: Or second, it's a second now, so you don't have

973
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: a two next year, so he can't give up a two.

974
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: But legally by NFL roles, can I trade the one?

975
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because he's I mean, he's he's he's on injured reserve.

976
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: He's not playing another game.

977
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: They that trade is over. Yeah, okay, okay, because.

978
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: He's already he had to play like seventy five percent

979
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: of the snap. He's already missed. He's probably already missed

980
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: enough snaps that he can't.

981
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he can't come to that anyway. Yeah, okay,

982
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: so you can and trade your one you don't have

983
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 3: a two?

984
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm not interested. If if I'm the Vikings,

985
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to trade away or quarterback

986
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: for a third round pick. They could do the same

987
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: thing and just let him leave and get the third rounder.

988
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: There's nothing, you know, you're not really gaining any I don't.

989
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: Think I can give up a one for him though,

990
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: from the.

991
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: Jet need I need multiple picks or player.

992
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: I need to I'll give you the one you give

993
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: me cousins and your three something like that, because you

994
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: know everyone knows you're running them right and if the

995
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: Vikes aren't gonna geting for him anyway. The problem with

996
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: them the Vikes, though, is be nice if you had

997
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: a second or third round young.

998
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Guy like they don't have, right, they don't have that.

999
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just are just creating bad culture. I think

1000
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson's ruled about that.

1001
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, all of a sudden, Justin Jefferson goes, well,

1002
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here anymore.

1003
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 3: Not that he's as good as Cousins, but I would

1004
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: think there's a better chance, like Tannehill ends.

1005
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: Up with the Jets, that's the one that, yeah.

1006
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: You know, and then they don't win anything more.

1007
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes it any better either, right.

1008
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, what'd you really accomplish? You know, your line

1009
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: is still terrible and you win seven games instead of five? Yeah,

1010
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: don't they gonna do something though? They can't keep trotting

1011
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: Wilson out.

1012
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: They can't. And that's that's the thing, you know, when

1013
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: when you know, yes, Kenny Picktt struggled in week one,

1014
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: he wasn't, you know, he had some struggles in week two,

1015
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: started looking better in week three. Again, you come back

1016
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: to the they're eight and two in the last ten games.

1017
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: He started like Wilson never wins a game ever ever.

1018
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it just doesn't you know, he makes it

1019
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: so bad that you can't win the game.

1020
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: You can't win the game.

1021
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't make the big mistake. Don't make the

1022
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: big mistake.

1023
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I most think you put Simeon in

1024
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: as soon as he's ready.

1025
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get to another break. He is the

1026
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lelly. You're listening to the

1027
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: driver here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna take a

1028
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: break here and when we come back, time for the

1029
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: Fantasy Football Focus. We'll do that right after this