1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Our 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: compatriot Noel is on adventures but will return soon. They 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We are joined as always with our 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: super producer Paul Mission Controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. However, you are not alone, fellow 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists. We are exploring the idea of humanity in 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: one thousand years with a ton of asterix and a 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: dollop of optimism. And we are not diving into this 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: exploration on our lonesome, No, quite the opposite. We are 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: joined by some friends of the show, some personal friends 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: of ours, the host of our peer podcast Hysteria fifty one. 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Check it out if you haven't yet, Everyone, please welcome 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: John go Forth and Rent Hand. Gentlemen. Thank you very much. 18 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: I guys, I told you I shouldn't bring Brent, but 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: you still allowed it. I don't know, um, I begged 20 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: and begged, and you know, just the worst decision was 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: allowing conspiracy about here. We will try to keep him quiet. 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: That's that's true, that's true. Uh conspiracy bot also, thank 23 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: you for coming. Did you notice that Scully seems to 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: really be getting along with conspiracy bought? Yeah, it's weird. 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I know this is an audio podcast. Maybe if they 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: do something that's remotely work appropriate, we'll take a picture 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: and host it. But right now, right now, we're just 28 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: it was just getting him t s A. So we 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 1: need to enjoy himself because the last time we're traveling 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: with him so was like circuits burning. And uh So, guys, 31 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: like most people, we spend a great deal of our 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: time here in the present. Is we record this everyone 33 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I know spends their time. Yeah, we spent a lot 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: of this time thinking about what might or might not 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: happen in the future. And most of the time when 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: we're using these great predictive computers that we refer to 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: as our brains, we're using this um, this imaginative capacity 38 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: to think of what we could call small events, not 39 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: in a diminutive way, just like things that don't really 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: rock the freaking timeline. You know what, it's on your calendar, right, 41 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: stuff that's on account where where am I gonna go 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: for lunch? Um? What are my list of errands? You know, 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: how can I get out of that conference? Call those 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: kind of things? When will our sons supernova? I've got 45 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: that on my calendar. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly because we 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: we have money on that, right, So we all to 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: have a tendency and we could even call it a 48 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: compulsion to wonder about those large events. Let's define it 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: very loosely arbitrarily as, uh, any event that involves a 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: group of people large enough such that members of the 51 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: same group may not know each other and may never meet. 52 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: So this is interesting because for both Hysterian fifty one 53 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: and stuff they want, you know, really for any podcast, uh, 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: that's that's a large scale event because a lot of 55 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 1: us listening now are probably not going to meet each other. 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: WHOA I never thought about it like that, But the 57 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: universe is a gold, lonely place. So so you know, 58 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: we've got examples of these, like what's a what's a 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: large event? Oh, sure, like a huge election. Let's say 60 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: a primary election or a presidential election. The people who 61 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: are actually voting probably aren't going to meet each other. 62 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: You're definitely not going to meet everybody who's voting in 63 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: that election. Yes, the like from impact from not being 64 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: there even to the people who were there. I mean, 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: there were so many people impacted that weren't just in 66 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: those buildings and surrounding communities and such and family members. 67 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: Not all of them all met. And that's a that's 68 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: an excellent example because that's a single event rather than 69 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: something like a war that goes on for years. Well, 70 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: and it's a so that's a large event. And it's 71 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: also it's also a long term event. Right, we're still 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: reeling and and and the effects are felt. Yeah. Yeah. 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: And that's because in addition to defining something as a 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: small or large event, we can also imagine them the 75 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: way you said, Matt, short or long term. So this 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: so nine eleven clearly a long term event, um, but 77 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: a short term, large scale event would be a celebration 78 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: in your city, like, uh, the Bulls win in Chicago, 79 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: because you guys, you guys live in the Windy City, 80 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: and uh, when the Bulls win in Chicago, what do 81 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,119 Speaker 1: people go nuts? Excuse me? We call it the lower fourth. 82 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: Well we haven't seen that for so long. I'm not 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: sure how the but when the Hawks won the cup. Yes, 84 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: when the cups one seven million people I think showed up, 85 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: one of the largest human gatherings in history. Yeah, so 86 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: a long term, small scale event then would be something 87 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: we're like, all right, I got this kid now, I 88 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: gotta send him to college. At some point, I better 89 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: start putting away the scratch, right, And this can take longer, 90 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: but it's not really it might not alter a timeline. 91 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: Today's episode is about a long term, large scale event. 92 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: One of the biggest questions we ever deal with, what's 93 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: going to happen to us? You know, the collective us? Yeah, 94 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: the collective us? What are we? Where are we going? 95 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Not not what's going to happen today or tomorrow, but 96 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: a thousand years from now, and off air, this is 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: this is an idea that we were talking about that 98 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: we had originally. I don't know if we mentioned this 99 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: on Hysteria fifty one. We had originally when we were 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: talking with each other, we're like, all right, yeah, one 101 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: of us will do an episode on humanity in a 102 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: thousand years, and then the other way and then we'll 103 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: do a companion episode about humanity and ten thousand years. 104 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: And we started looking at the research and we were 105 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, Paul, you're gonna have to bleep me on this, 106 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: but we were like, holy ten thousand years. Yeah, I 107 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: mean you could just say whatever you want. You know, 108 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: we're all jellyfish, I know. And even with um So 109 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: we just did an excellent episode. Well I really enjoyed it. 110 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: I thought you guys did was good. Yeah, and YouTube 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: conspiracy and we didn't have episode on the future of 112 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: humanity in one hundred years. And what you guys showed 113 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: us was that there there's quite a lot of stuff 114 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: down the pike that not only is possible, but is 115 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: in a very real sense inevitable. And that's the big 116 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I think that's the big defining difference of you know, 117 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: when we look at these things as what are we 118 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: controlling and what is just gonna happen? That's that's, you know, 119 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: this inevitability that is just we're creaming toward these events 120 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: a lot of times, I think, especially with technology, it 121 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: really is the pebble that starts the avalanche. And but 122 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: once it started, you're not stopping it. Like the progression 123 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: of our processing power isn't going to even though we're 124 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: not following Moore's law, still it is not going to 125 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: stop it's a train with no breaks, right, Yeah, this 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: is this is the part of the show where we 127 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: want to want to let you know that if you 128 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: haven't checked out Hysteria fifty one, please do it. In 129 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to be exploring some things that 130 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: dovetail with the previous episode. So if you want to 131 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: get the full cinema for your ears experience, stop now, 132 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: will wait check out our earlier episode. And uh, for 133 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: you comic book fans, we're referring to this as a 134 00:07:52,520 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: crossover events, a shared universe. I'm Batman, all right, I 135 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: respect that. I respect Um, how far are we crossing over? 136 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: Can I go Marvel? Yeah? Yeah, just stay away from 137 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: image and we'll be fine. Yeah, they're creator owns. Uh, 138 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: it's true. So uh all right, let's get to it. Sure, 139 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: So let's talk about where we humans. Everybody in this room, 140 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: everyone listening is going to end up in a thousand 141 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: years ten generations ostensibly from now. Well to understand that, Matt, 142 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: don't we have to go back to what would it 143 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: be helpful for us to go back to a thousand 144 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: years before now? I guess Okay, cool, thanks for saying that, 145 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: because otherwise that's that's really the only thing we can 146 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: do to to have an understanding. Right, well, let's see 147 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: how far we've come in a thousand years and then 148 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: extrapolate from there. And Brett, earlier in our previous episode, 149 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: you you mentioned the phantom time hypothesis. So you're when 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: we're playing a little bit with history, please right in 151 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: by the way to Hysteria Nation and Us and let 152 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: us know what your take is what actually happened in 153 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: ten nineteens, right, really? Yeah, and you can use the 154 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: Ducha calendar if you want as well. But okay, so 155 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: here's the here's the good news for a lot of people, 156 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: in broad evolutionary terms, just basic biology. One thousand years 157 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: is not a drop in the bucket. It's not. It's 158 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: not it's not an iota of spit. It's not a snap. 159 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: So you're saying it's not enough time to develop gills 160 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Costner style. The only flaw in One water World, 161 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: it's eara. For some reason, people hated that. They were like, 162 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: that's so convenient, it's so great, you jerk, we forgot 163 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: about that. I got an idea, guys, mad Max on 164 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: a water World. Now, only if we get the guy 165 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: from field of dream. That's really the glue. But yeah, 166 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: this means what does this mean? Like, like, what happens 167 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: if we meet someone? Um putting aside all the interesting 168 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: problems with time travel, we just don't think about it 169 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: to intensive purposes. If you met someone besides you know, 170 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: maybe some some language barriers and in the way they're dressed, 171 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: you wouldn't really know the difference because in the last 172 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: thousand years we haven't changed that much. I mean, kill them, like, 173 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: don't give him a blanket. It would years old and 174 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: looks seventy you know, to be a North Centinel Island situation. Possibly, 175 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: but but yeah, you're you're absolutely right, you've you've nailed 176 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: it in one We would still eat the same food, 177 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: we still need the same range of environmental conditions, and 178 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: if there's a little bit of romance in the air, 179 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: you can reproduce. There's actually a documentary that explores this. 180 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: I think the other member was a little a little 181 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: older than just a thousand years old, but explores how 182 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: that they might operate in modern society. It is called 183 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Encino Man. God. I felt, I've got to learn that 184 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: every time you reference a documentary, it's not so so 185 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: it's interesting. There have been some discernible changes. People like 186 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: Dr Alan Kwan, who works with computational genomics. He he 187 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: has some very specific ones. One of them is kind 188 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: of weird, right, did you you saw this? Yeah, yeah, 189 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the concept of our foreheads changing. They call it the 190 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Manning syndrome Peyton Manning. You guys are just brutal the 191 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: older down. Remember that old insult when people call someone 192 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: uh forehead more like five heads. Pretty soon, if this 193 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: trend is correct, thousand years from now, people will be 194 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: making fun of three heads. If you're if your fourheads too. 195 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: So we also seem to have a trend of growing 196 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: taller as a species, but a lot of that is dicey, 197 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: like can we can we call that straight up evolution 198 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: or is that just our ability to feed ourselves better 199 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: and breed with Scandinavians and yeah, there a tall bunch, 200 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Like oh now we have this, we have this conspiracy 201 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: that there's Scandinavians bastards sing. But the biggest difference between 202 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: that human and you really would be things that are 203 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: a little different. Their societal things, right, medical care, like 204 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: advances in technology that have allowed for communication, Like you said, 205 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: language barriers are going to be differ print um, even 206 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: just over all the beliefs and values of that person 207 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: are going to be vastly different. But I mean, that's 208 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: really it. It doesn't yet. It doesn't mean that they 209 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: have lower or higher cognitive ability, right, It just means 210 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: that their priorities will also widely different. You're very much 211 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, your product of your environment you're surrounding, and 212 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: so that's going to play heavily into that. You might 213 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: show them a car and they think it's magic, but 214 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: that's you're you're so right about it not being their 215 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: cognitive ability. That's why we we we did an episode 216 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: not that long ago and go backley Teppi and and 217 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: and the or the pyramids or whatever, and there's all 218 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: of these anthropologists to say, well, how did they do this? 219 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: How could they possibly figure this out? Because they had 220 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: the same sized brains that we do. That's how they did. 221 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of elbow grease, maybe a few 222 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: decades to figure it out, and you can build stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 223 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: And that's why you know, there's a valid criticism of 224 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: lot of ancient alien theories where it's like, okay, so 225 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: what's more likely? Is it more likely that someone came 226 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: all the way to Earth and built a vague geometric 227 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: shape and then left and didn't didn't you know, they 228 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: don't want you to know why? Or is it likely 229 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: that people were always relatively on the same cognitive scale. 230 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: So this would appear to be good news at first 231 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Blush because this means that for the past thousand years, 232 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: the biggest changes to our species have been cultural and technological. Right, 233 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: even even the clear and excellent example of the diseases 234 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: that we carry and are immune to. Uh, that is 235 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: a technological improvement. We didn't just biologically. Uh. Figure that out, 236 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: and our population is skyrocketed. If we were a product 237 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: at your local grocery store, what what what's the popular 238 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: grocery store in Chicago? Marianna's and Jewel Really Okay, Roger 239 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: Baby is owned by Kroger Fingers. On the hand, I see, 240 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: if we were a product in Marianna's, we'd still have 241 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: the same ingredients, the same great taste, the same oddly 242 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: fragile packaging. It's just easier to find us in more places. 243 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: And we have a great example. We've pulled this up before. Oh, 244 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: the world population at this moment right now, guys, we're 245 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: recording this seven billion, six hundred and eighty eight million, 246 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty four thousand, four hundred and twenty nine. Yeah, 247 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: and that's spinning really fast, really fast. I mean yeah, 248 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: when you look at that clock, it's a staggering thing 249 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: to see. That's how fast people are coming into this world. 250 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: And we always, uh, it's always tempting when we bring 251 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: that up in an episode. It's always tempting to check 252 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: it again at the end and see how many people 253 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: are sixty So that yeah, Um, the premise that most 254 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: of us go with when we're you know, doing and 255 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: engaging in futurism is that where will we put all 256 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: these people? Um, there is some new there's some new 257 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: studies out that are looking at larger societies, maybe not 258 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: the globe as a whole, and saying, actually, we are 259 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: not currently running at replacement rate. So although it's kind 260 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: of like the fact that we are, population is still 261 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: growing is a function of things that happened fifty years ago, 262 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: because those people are still alive and they overpopulated then uh, 263 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: and that if you look a few generations in the future, 264 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: you can actually start to see evening out of because 265 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: this number keeps growing, evening out, or even decline. So 266 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: there's not a consensus in the scientific community that overpopulation 267 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: is going to continue to exponentially explode the way we 268 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: kind of all been fed by like enthusiasan reasoning stuff. 269 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. You don't want to go azamandias on it 270 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: and just wipe out most everybody. Yeah, snappers, you know, 271 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: I would say. The thing that made that guy Thanos 272 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 1: a real villain and the biggest plot hole in that 273 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: film spoiler is he could have just made the universe 274 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: twice as big or just double. You snap it and 275 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: you make it twice as big, you double all of 276 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: the whatever you need, all the resources. I think he 277 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: was just being super emo to be completely but but 278 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: his cosmic Billy corgan this aside the we we can 279 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: say right now also opened a t shop also shot 280 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: where uh, we as a species are making some huge 281 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: waves a multiple fronts, and Matt and I were trying 282 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: to figure out the best way to frame this and 283 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: what we came up with was the good, the bad, 284 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: and the ugly. Right, So there you go. I can't 285 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: do that's great. Indio Morricone, right of good things. We 286 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: get good things when it comes to technology, we're the 287 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: best in the biz because we're the only ones we 288 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: really know, you know, like some higher order mammals can 289 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: make tools, corvids can use sticks or whatever. But as 290 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: far as we know, no non human entity has built 291 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: a computer yet, right yet. But I mean, I'm giving 292 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: it dolphins, but we haven't found them yet, right, right, 293 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: And it's probably built to do something that only dolphins 294 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: would when you get it, it's for dolphin kisses. Right. 295 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: So some of us listening now, we remember a world 296 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: before smartphones. We talked about this in our episode about 297 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: humanity a century from now. We remember times before the internet, 298 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: a world of landlines and paper maps. Somebody would tell 299 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: tell you where to go at a certain time and 300 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: you would have to remember it your self. And um, 301 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: we're also learning more about our own bodies. Genetic research 302 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: is definitely going to help us eradicate some genetic diseases, 303 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: as well as eventually allowing us to tweak some specific 304 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: traits for practical purposes and cosmetic ones. You know what 305 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean. You want you want kids will purple eye? Yeah, 306 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: one of the that you mentioned on the technology side, 307 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: you when we talked about AI and we've all I 308 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: we've all done episodes on AI. It's probably not worth 309 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: diving deep into, but it is worth talking about that. 310 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: We need to be careful as it relates to, you know, 311 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: creating nanobots and things of that nature. UM. I recently 312 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: read are you guys familiar with Nick Bostrom, Swedish philosopher. 313 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: He's got some really cool interesting stuff on on future 314 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: and I read this thing about the UH. They call 315 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: it the paper clip Maximizer, and it's basically a thought experiment, 316 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: that's all it is. But it's the idea the most 317 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: mundane thing that you could tell an artificial intelligence to 318 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: do could turn out really poorly. UM. So here's a 319 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: quote from him. Suppose we have an AI whose only 320 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: goal is to make as many paper clips as possible. 321 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: The AI will quickly realize that it would be much 322 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: better if there were no humans, because humans might decide 323 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: to switch it off, and their ultimate goal is to 324 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: make as many paper clips as possible. Okay, because because 325 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: a cheery story, and this is generalized AI, so we 326 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: can think big pictures. Also, human bodies contain a lot 327 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: of atoms that could be made into paper clips, reformat 328 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: and turn into paper clips. The future that that AI 329 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: would be trying to gear towards would be one in 330 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: which they were a lot of paper clips, but not 331 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: a lot of humans. And if you like from a 332 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: if you hadn't programmed that robot to value human life 333 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: or to understand empathy, we're talking like that could be 334 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, that leads a street into the bad. Really, 335 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: that's an excellent example. Many of the same, the self 336 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: same technological innovations that are looming on our species horizons 337 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: will probably create new problems as readily as they solve 338 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: existing ones. Like John, your example with the paper clip maximizer, 339 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: aside from being frankly terrifying, is spot on because we 340 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: don't know what this stuff will be like once we 341 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: actually created. To our common knowledge, there is no functioning 342 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: generalized machine consciousness, generalized AI. There's stuff like no offense, 343 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy body, but there's there's stuff that can do specific task. 344 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: We haven't reached the singularity, right, and and that's why 345 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: it's such a broad term, because we don't It's that 346 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: we don't know, and that's why it's so scary for people, 347 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: and it's so inspiring for people, and everyone seem terminator 348 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, And so that's always looming in the back 349 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: of your mind because that that is I guess a 350 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: pop stability. Yeah, and that's a good metaphor. But it 351 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: looks like we have we may well have a terminator situation. 352 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: It just won't look human, it'll be um gray goo. Yes, 353 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: So that this is the thing I wanted to bring up. 354 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: The paper clip problem gets exponentially scarier if it's not 355 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: making paper clips, if it's replicating, if it's just making 356 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: more of itself, right, and if it's a nanoscale technology 357 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: that's just self replicating replicating, that means that the gray 358 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: goo that is inside of our heads that can come 359 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: up with making a nano bot and then getting that 360 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: nano bot to have artificial technology to continue to replicate, 361 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: then creates this thing that occurs out in the physical 362 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: world that is a gray goo that is just an 363 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: entire planet covered in nanobots that have self replicated to 364 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: the point where that's all that's left. It's all that's there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 365 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: And this and if we survive all of this, then 366 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: when the other bad news concerns our bodies and the 367 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: environment in which they live. Genetic research, everybody loves it. 368 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: I think we shout at alt Gatica earlier. It's a 369 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: fantastic film. Watch it again if you've already seen it. Uh. 370 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: Like most most advanced technologies, especially in their earlier days, 371 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: this is going to be controlled by wealthy institutions at 372 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: first because of the um way that society functions right 373 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: now and so before it bleeds into the genes of 374 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: a general population, before like the descendants of Jeff Bezos 375 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: Uh scandalizes his or her family and sleeps with a peasant. Uh. 376 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: This stuff could result in in something and it's most 377 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: extreme that we would call man made speciation. But then 378 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: there's the chance we talked about this for the tin 379 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: Cream with traits and one part of the jenet Co 380 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: could have unintended disastrous consequences. For fiction, a good example 381 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: of this would be the Eloy and the Morlocks from 382 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the Time Machine. Right, you know are did? We have 383 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: the best of intentions and all of a sudden, now 384 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: we're in a moment underneath the ground because we can't 385 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: be on the sunlight just because Crisper ran right, there's 386 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: a ticking time bomb inside of every cell. Very A 387 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: lot of geneticists are like, well, the key to immortality 388 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: could be turning off that time bomb. One of the 389 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: challenges or scary parts of that is there's one type 390 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: of cell today that does not have that time bomb 391 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: in it. It's a cancer cell. Yes, And so you 392 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: you change the makeup of a cell a little too much, 393 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: you become a big tumor all of a sudden, right, right, 394 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: and technically speaking, very technically speaking, there is one immortal 395 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: individual Henrietta lacks at least her cancer right you no, no, Well, 396 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: listen to our episode on and do we do an 397 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: episode or just a we did an episode on immortality 398 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: in the various terribly problematic ways. It's can achieve it. 399 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: It's this crazy messed up thing where this one woman's 400 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: cancer cells were taken as UH samples to be tested, 401 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: right testing, and then all of the like all of 402 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: the other samples that were that existed in this one 403 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: building ended up having Henrietta Laxes cancer cells in those samples. 404 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: And then they started realizing, wait a second, somehow these samples, 405 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: because they were being shipped across the planet to be studied, UH, 406 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: they ended up in all the cancer cells samples, or 407 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: at least the vast majority of them, and they they 408 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: continue to reproduce. Yes, yes, even after being technically immortal, 409 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: but not the kind of immortality you probably yeah, remember, 410 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: But it goes back to our whole um humanity as 411 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: a virus thing spreading across the cosmos from our last episode. 412 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: Isn't that what you want to do? It? You want 413 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: to reproduce, you want to live. You know that you're 414 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: breaking it down to its basis terms. But I mean 415 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: that's the idea. And guess what I was. I needed 416 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: to leave this body. I need to leave this planet, 417 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: you know. And they say we're going to have to 418 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: be an interplanetary species. Well guess what virus is spread? 419 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: We get angry when it's cancer, but we're one on 420 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: board if it's us, right, right, right. So the last 421 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: thing is the climate. Yes, the climate you've heard it before. 422 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: Is the tragedy of commons writ large. Unless we all 423 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: at the same time make some massive changes, the climate 424 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: seems set to inevitably change in some drastic ways. Ocean 425 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: a cidification, temperature changes, deforestation, and so on. I have 426 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: one question. Yes, you guys are familiar with the Cardassian scale. Yes, um, 427 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: we are currently a point seven on the cardassip scale UM. 428 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: They say that a level one civilization UM can control 429 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: all of the energy on their planet, and as a 430 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: function that they can control all of the weather. Everything 431 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: pretty much is happening in their neck of the woods. 432 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: If we achieve level one in the next thousand years, 433 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: don't we also achieve the ability to go, oh well, 434 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: we can just do whatever we need to do the 435 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: atmosphere and make sure that doesn't happen. Yes, the problem 436 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: is getting to that thousand year mark from here. That is, 437 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: you don't let anything that we've already done to ourselves 438 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: before we can get that fair If if life has 439 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: existed on other planets and emerged from a goog from 440 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: a you know, a chemical reaction that occurred because they're 441 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: just happened to be the right molecules on that planet, 442 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: don't you think they do, they go through a very 443 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: similar process of figuring out. Yeah, that like life is 444 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: probably very similar. Of that's the grand equalizers if they're 445 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: smart enough to save themselves, because they all probably come 446 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: up to this party right now, we're very close to 447 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: the tipping point we were talking about, you know, a singularity. 448 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: We're almost to that point now where we need to 449 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: decide that we want to better ourselves or are do 450 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: we want to wipe oursels out? I think that's assuming 451 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: that they're like normal ish whatever we consider like carbon 452 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: based life forms. Um. You know, there's also people that 453 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: speculate that on gas giants, uh, sentient life could develop 454 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: in in a way that we don't even understand. YEA, yeah, no, 455 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: I guess what I just what I mean is uh, 456 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: the fuel, the available fuel that exists on whatever planetary 457 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: body that the the life emerges from, ends up being 458 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: used up to an extent or altered to an extent, 459 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: no matter what it is. That in a thousand years 460 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: from now, if we're going to be able to to 461 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: do the things that we need to do to save 462 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: our our our planet from extinction of whatever might happen. 463 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: To be able to explore the cosmos, we're gonna need 464 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: energy and things like that that come from far more 465 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: black holes other dimensions. That these are the things that 466 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: they say that we're going to be playing with if 467 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: we are, you know, to be a a level two 468 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: or something like that. So climate, uh, in and of itself, 469 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: is nothing. Climate is the the VHS that we have 470 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: to to use. Your earlier temple math the VHS. We 471 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: have to keep him work in order until we can 472 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: afford So the last thing we mentioned the good, we 473 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: talked about the bad, the big bads. Now we have 474 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: to talk about the ugly. Just briefly. There's one ugly 475 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: thing you should keep in your mind, folks, as as 476 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: we listen along. The number one ugly thing, the frightening, 477 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: horrifying anti ganesh like elephant in our species collective room 478 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: is put simply this, there is a very high chance 479 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: that we will not make it to the one thousand 480 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: year mark. We we were safe. In our earlier episode 481 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: we said, you know, we're assuming that dothing terrible happens 482 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: to the one hundred year mark. Now we're doing that 483 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: ten times, you know, uh, And it's Stephen hawkins estimation. 484 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: We absolutely are not going to make it unless we 485 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: get off of Earth. Stephen Hawkins not necessarily a curmudgeon, 486 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: but calls him like you Seeson. He he has some 487 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: statements that are pretty much along the lines of, uh, 488 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: screw humans unless they get off Earth. Screw Earth. We 489 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: need to leave it, you know, no disrespect, but it's 490 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: working out. Uh. Aliens are real and screw them to uh, 491 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna get ai and you know what, screw that? 492 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: That's I mean, I'm paraphrasing a little. Yeah, yeah, we 493 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: learned about a lot of that stuff. Did you have 494 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: you guys ever spoken with Josh Clark, who did The 495 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: End of the World from stuff you should know? Know? 496 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: We uh, we really want to. We're gonna have him 497 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: on to talk the Fermi paradox. That's great, that's gonna 498 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: be great. Yeah. So he has a podcast that explores 499 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: all the chuckles that are that are facing us. Oh yeah, 500 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a cavalcade of comedy. Yeah, but we 501 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: we recommend that with all this in mind, we have 502 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: to understand that everything we are about to contemplate about 503 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: human civilization one thousand years from now is inherently optimistic, 504 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: if only because we are assuming that somewhere, somehow, something 505 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: like humanity is still is still partying on in three 506 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. What are we talking about. We'll tell you 507 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor, here's where it gets crazy. 508 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: Humanity one thousand years from now. Welcome to thirty nineteen. 509 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, then hypothetically you have survived 510 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: and out of all the weird trials and travails that 511 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: you have encountered in thirty nineteen. You have decided to 512 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: take a break and listen to a podcast, and you've 513 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: chose this one. So thank you job doing some ancient 514 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: recovery of either technology or I don't know. This is 515 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: a part of an archaeological dig. Yeah, this show is 516 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: actually included in the tests ract. I'm sure it's going 517 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: to go into the Smithsonian at one point in time 518 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: or another, so you know it's true. Yeah, it will 519 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: be like the regional version, you know, like how they're 520 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: ted X talks span X. So let's let's let's let's 521 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: see we we left off thousand years ago. We left 522 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: off with the fact that there are inevitable things that 523 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: will happen in the climate as we knew it from 524 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, right, so we're a thousand years later. A 525 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of water under the bridge, you know, 526 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: a lot of water over there, A lot of water 527 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: over the bridge. Is who he did there, Matt? Can 528 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about what what's happened 529 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: with the climate? Well, odds are humanity continued despite our 530 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: best intentions. We continue to use carbon fuels, carbon based 531 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: poles and other things that put c O two emissions 532 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: out into the atmosphere. Right, because as of twenty nineteen, 533 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: UH CEO two emissions are at an average of three 534 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five parts per million. Sounds really low, right, 535 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: per million sounds really low. But but here's the deal. 536 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: That's increasing and if that gets up just a little 537 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: bit higher to say four hundred and fifty, maybe all 538 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: the way up to six hundred parts per million, and 539 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: that could be really bad because if it reaches that 540 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: level of as an average, and then if in some 541 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: way all CEO two emissions just stop dead, no more, 542 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: no more carbon dioxide is added to the atmosphere. Uh, 543 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: this is what would happen. There would be persistent decreases 544 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: in dry season rainfall that are that are and would 545 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: be comparable to the nineteen thirties depression era, like the 546 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: dust bowl that we've all heard of, that would just exist. 547 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: That would there would be in zones all, yeah, it 548 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: would be. There would be zones of this stuff, this 549 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: terrible situation all across the planet, every everywhere from southern 550 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: Europe to northern Africa, southwestern North America, which already you 551 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: know is not doing great in twenty nineteen. If you 552 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: think about some of the wildfire situations and uh other 553 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: just heat situations. Uh, Southern Africa would be affected, Western Australia. 554 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: Human water supplies, specifically fresh water supplies aquifers, which is 555 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: already suspect right now. Yes, that stuff would decrease much further. Um. Again, 556 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: fires would just be everywhere. If you're one of those 557 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: people who hates being cold, is like your year, Yeah, 558 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: actually several years after and then up until it's your face, 559 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: and all kinds of agriculture is going to be hugely 560 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: affected by this, just be because of the differences in 561 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: rainfall at this point, because of these things. Now, you said, 562 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: if it if all the emission stops, so your meaning 563 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: you're you're you're saying that we take we make progress 564 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: and they all stop. But this these will still be 565 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: the outcomes. Yes, Because it takes that long for a 566 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: large climate change to effect to be effected, essentially a 567 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: thousand years, right, that's one of the main issues. It 568 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: takes forever to the effects will be seen rather quickly, 569 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: and then it takes a long time to fix those 570 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: To put the toothpaste back into the tube. Yes, that 571 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: is to say though or or this is without saying 572 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: that there could be technological advancements up to this point 573 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: where we could cause that CEO to to be out 574 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: of the atmosphere for one reason or another. That's our 575 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: wild card. We're leaning heavy on this one. I don't 576 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: know about you, guys, but I have I've learned most 577 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: recently that climate change isn't actually a real thing. Um you, No, 578 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: it's not a real thing. You saw how cold it 579 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: got in the in in the Midwest this winter. Obviously 580 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: things aren't getting climate change and as we all know, 581 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: plants like CEO two, so this isn't a problem. I 582 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: don't know why we're talking about this. I can't. I can't, 583 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, if I do think, if we 584 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: make it to a thousand years from now, isn't that 585 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: kind of part and parcel with we will have the 586 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: technology to fix this, like the the in between time, 587 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: like you mentioned before, Ben is the challenge. But if 588 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: we make it there unless I guess there's one addendum 589 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: to that, if we get reduced to the place where 590 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: we are, you know, a bunch of tribes running around 591 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: again because we've lost technology because of cataclysmic events, I 592 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: suppose in that case it wouldn't. But assuming we're still 593 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: a relatively normal society, whether it's a global society or 594 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: still split up by then wouldn't we have the heck 595 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: to to affect changer? Hopefully? The question is whether, given 596 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: our tribalistic nature, we would be capable of cooperating on 597 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: a large enough scale to implement it in a meaningful way. 598 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: So maybe some some country or some institute, or increasingly 599 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: what would be likely as some large private institution, a company, 600 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: the Brothers, the Koke Brothers, uh, Nestley, Uni, Lever, Halliburton, 601 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: all the hits, all the good ones. Uh. They they 602 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: have a let's say that they have a way to 603 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: to game the weather in a specific region, or they 604 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: have something like innovative breakthrough the weather dominating Yeah, yeah, yeah, 605 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: and through the wild card and you're fine, right right. 606 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: The question is what what sort of negotiation or arrangement 607 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: would they expect people to enter into in order to 608 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: gain access to that technology. That study about CEO two, 609 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: by the way, is from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 610 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,479 Speaker 1: and according to their study, they're not a super controversial group, 611 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: by the way. Actually, no, uh, Yeah, there's sort of 612 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: the bad Boys of oceanography. They they do say in 613 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: this same study that changes in surface temperature, this is 614 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: a quotation. Rainfall and sea level are largely irreversible for 615 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: more than one thousand years after CEO two, emissions are 616 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: completely stopped. And they if you look at the study, 617 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: they've they've gained it such that they go from the 618 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: average emission now to maybe they say it increases just 619 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: a little bit, and then it all stops, increases towards 620 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: that more reasonable number the matches named max out at 621 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: six million, and then that just stops. The scary thing 622 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: is it's not going to completely stop. Like that's just 623 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: not how things of that scale will be breathing. That's true, 624 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: Like we admit c O two every time we take 625 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: a breath. Classic us damn virus. I'm sorry, I've been 626 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: really off off away from the podcast, off topic here. 627 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: You guys ever get caught in um the overuse of 628 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: a turn of phrase or a figure of speech. Yeah, 629 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: you can't stop using it, Like I've got to stop 630 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: referring to things as classic whatever. The other person just said. 631 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: It's kind of like when I refer to things as 632 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 1: a documentary when they're not really documentaries. But you did 633 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: that so well because I felt that after you had 634 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: had clearly shown us that that was on the way. Yeah. 635 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: The other one is, um, I went through, oh, I 636 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: will die on this hill, which is a melodramatic way 637 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: to reply to anything barring barring you actually being on 638 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: a hill and willing to die over it. Right that 639 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: actually that does not happen yet. So if you're listening 640 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: in right, and let us know what your favorite turn 641 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: of future phrases, assuming you're alive, it's like it's like 642 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: Bill and Ted, you guys literally saved the universe. Well, 643 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: you're in this town, and all of this is just 644 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: to say that in a thousand years, if we don't 645 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: fix this right, it'll look this way. So and the 646 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: other thing that we'll see is sea levels because of this, 647 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: and it's directly related to those CEO two And that's 648 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: also a pretty It doesn't sound as bad initially when 649 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: you say it that if if it happens the same way, 650 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: oceans will rise at an average of I think one 651 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: point two feet or something or what is it, uh, 652 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: one point three to three point two ft. That's that's 653 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: exactly what it is. So like a maximum of a meter. 654 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: But when you think about that, though, yes, bye bye Florida, 655 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, bye bye all these coastal Aitas islands, a 656 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: lot of Micronesia. Then the leaders of those countries, a 657 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: lot of island nations are very well aware of this, 658 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: because even back in nineteen they could see this stuff 659 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: happening and they pled their case to I think we 660 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: used to call the United Nations, which may still be around. 661 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well, speaking of in ten, I 662 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: believe that a piece of the Arctic shelf fell off 663 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: that was the size of Delaware, Jez Delaware on a 664 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: what a wonderfully descriptive size Delaware. That's our new Let's 665 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: just compare things. Toted the picture of Delaware for comparison 666 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: three point six Delawares. That's great, let's do that. So so, yes, 667 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: the ocean will rise, and it will rise by two 668 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: meters if c O two peaks at one thousand parts 669 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: per million, and two meters makes a hell of a difference. 670 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: That's that's where you know the smart money has already 671 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: bought something in land and they're waiting for the beach 672 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: to show up. That beach front property you own in Arkansas, 673 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: right right, right, right right. Uh, this this brings us 674 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: to we're talking about the natural world. This brings us 675 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: to another thing. Even in ten we as a species 676 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: were undergoing what's called a great extinction. Great great extinctions 677 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: are nothing new. This is not the first, this will 678 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: not be the last, but they are brutal to experience. 679 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: In the moment, you know, um, a thousand years Hence, 680 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: we will have already have lost quite a few wild animals. 681 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: Quite if you plan. It's a ton of insects, many 682 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: of which were never discovered before they went extinct. But 683 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: because we're a thousand years in the future now, we 684 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: may also be able to pull a wooly mammoth and 685 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: bring them back. We just don't know where we will 686 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: put them. Well, Ben, you spent so much time trying 687 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: to figure out if you could, you never stopped to 688 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: think if you should. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 689 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: it's true. We look at all these things that they're 690 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: just talking about. The bees are now on the endangered 691 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: species list, and they say, you know, where are we 692 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: without bees? And the politonization I mean hurting very much. So, 693 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: so you better hope that we have that kind of 694 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: technology or wherewithal now to change things. Like you said, 695 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: hard stop, you know, but you know there needs to 696 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: be a lot of hard stops in almost every one 697 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: of these camps for our next thousand years to be 698 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: something that we want to be a part of. Another 699 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: threat to throw into the ring, other than being in 700 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: an extinction moment um, other than where the climate could 701 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: go from a warming perspective, the um we are overdue 702 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: for the next ice age? Oh yeah, and a thousand 703 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: years makes it much more likely. Now. It's a weird 704 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: catch twenty two because they most scientists think that the 705 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: reason hasn't happened again yet is because the global warming 706 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: ourselves by killing ourselves. Yeah. Um, it's like cutting the rope. 707 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: But you're like hanging over a vat of acid, Like 708 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm either going to hang here or I'm going to 709 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 1: fall into the vat of acid. These are not good outcomes. 710 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: But and I am I am not a climatologist. I 711 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: don't know if I told you that guys before we 712 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: started the show. I'm not. You're not like some kind 713 00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: of weather surgeon or what do they call it, climatician um. 714 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: But I have to imagine that the balance there of 715 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: global warming versus the Earth really wants it's next ice 716 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: age um all play in somehow to a cosmic soup 717 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: of not goodness. Yes, yeah, that's that's the thing. That's 718 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: what makes this a tricky topic. If we're talking about 719 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: the planet in one thousand years, it's gonna be around, 720 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's going to be by and large, uh, 721 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: still home to some sort of life. The question is 722 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: whether or not people are still going to be in 723 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: the mix. And for assuming that they are, they're going 724 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: to be radically different from what we know. That that 725 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: that thing we talked about where we could speak, well, 726 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: we could interact with someone from ten nineteen and they 727 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: would look sort of like us. That's probably not the 728 00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: case in thirty nine because of environmental or design or 729 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: reasons either or apps. I would say, I would argue 730 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: largely designer reasons because now we are capable in thirty 731 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: nineteen of impacting, affecting, and steering our own evolution and adaptations. 732 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: Because despite the Great extinction, despite the ups and downs 733 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 1: with the climate or the the ecology in which we live, 734 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: if we're around and civilization hasn't collapsed, we're going to 735 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: be doing amazing science fiction level stuff. Will we be 736 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: close to being a Type two civilization? I don't know. 737 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: Type two has a has a hell of a gap. 738 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's it's Type two, the one where 739 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: you are able to star your tot your star right, 740 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,280 Speaker 1: harness the entire basically, will we have a dicense sphere? Yes, 741 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: or progress to where we don't need one because we've 742 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: come up with some other Maybe we get to type 743 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: one and we say, okay, let's just let's stay here, 744 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,439 Speaker 1: let's franchise out Mars and and maybe you know, yeah, 745 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: if the Martians want to do it, they can. But 746 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: we will have this amazing technology. We will have super 747 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 1: fast computers, perhaps perhaps so so very quick that they 748 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: are no longer computers to us. They are part of us. 749 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, like we mentioned with people becoming um, you know, 750 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: becoming digital versions of themselves. This is this is rife 751 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: for Also a side note, a new era of folklore. 752 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: Can you imagine all the urban legends. You will literally 753 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: hear voices in your head. Your ancestors will not have died, 754 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: they will still exist. Yeah you uh, you've got beef 755 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: with your great uncle. He's still around. And now you're 756 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: saying he still around because they captured his consciousness. Okay, 757 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: they it's funny. One of the technologies they're talking about, 758 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: but this could be actually a lot sooner than a 759 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: thousand years. Is just taking enough writings, uh, and enough 760 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: other input about a person and in their life, and 761 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you input all of that and 762 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: you get into augmented or virtual reality and you're sitting 763 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: there having a conversation with Samuel Clemens. You know, it's 764 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: an approximation obviously thereof but but you mean actually talking 765 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: to the person right right, the the the digital for 766 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: the digital essence, the closest we could get perhaps to 767 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 1: a soul at that point. But it gets even weirder 768 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: because we will also like, at this point we're clearly 769 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: in ship of thesis territory, and this means that, you know, 770 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: maybe let's say you have the the digital ghost of 771 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: your great great grandmother says you know what, Brent, I 772 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: remember the Gorpian Wars, and I would love to go 773 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: to that museum with you. Just buy me a body, right, 774 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: because now it's just hardware. Do you know what they 775 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: call him? A sleeve? Was that in an altered carbon? Yes? Yes, ye, yeah, Alright, 776 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: guess let's stop right there for a second and we'll 777 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: come right back afterward. From our sponsor, alright, strap in, 778 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: let's get back in this. The other wild card here 779 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,479 Speaker 1: that could impact every aspect of what we've talked about, 780 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: whether it be how we harness power. Do we have 781 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: the technology to create a dice and sphere? Uh? Do 782 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: we have the technology to save our Earth? To to 783 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: to do all of these things? Would be the interference 784 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: of another society. Extraterrestrials um so interdimensional word? Interdimensional? Sure? 785 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: I We talked about this on our show a lot. 786 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: Whether we believe in aliens? There's two questions always hidden there. 787 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: Do you believe that another form of life exists in 788 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,879 Speaker 1: this universe? Absolutely? The second question, do you think they've 789 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: been here? We are I don't. I don't think that 790 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: they've been here, But I think we are very very 791 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: close to them showing up. Like I think we're getting 792 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: far far enough along to be able to send some 793 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: signals out there, to be able to see things. Um. 794 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: I think we're I think that we're going to get 795 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 1: to a point very soon where they're just gonna show 796 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: up one day. Um. First from Star Trek first, contact 797 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: have our warp drive moment now the if that happens, 798 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: which I think is just as realistic a possibility as 799 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: we can upload our conscious I mean, like it's just 800 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: the showing up, Hey, they're here, because if we do 801 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: acknowledge that they exist, you know, if depending on how 802 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: old they are, their technology they're they are, if they 803 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: are able to reach us from something that we can't 804 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: see right now, chances are their technology is so advanced 805 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: that they could help us, help bring us along. And 806 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: I that would I mentioned wild card, that would be 807 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 1: the ultimate wild card, because they're introducing new technologies to 808 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: us that bring us. I don't think it's the alienation 809 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: thing where they're just as messed up as we are 810 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: and and have the same internal cards and strife and 811 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, because then it's just that doesn't align to me. 812 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 1: How could they have gotten here so quickly with such 813 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: advanced technology just to be as you know then as 814 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: we are. That opens up the whole other, you know, 815 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: line of thinking of if they are that advanced and 816 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: they're going to see that, why do they care? Right right? 817 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,879 Speaker 1: That's the thing. The question then becomes not whether we 818 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: would be capable of recognizing this as sentient life. It 819 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: would be whether it recognizes us as uh mitchokku he 820 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: he was like he was, everyone sees ant hills. When's 821 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 1: the last time you said, ants, here are beads and trinkets, 822 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: take me to your your queen. You know I'm saying that. 823 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: And if you do, the ants don't know you're talking 824 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: to them. Now. Is the ant dumb because it doesn't 825 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,399 Speaker 1: understand English? Or is it Are you dumb because you're 826 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: trying to talk to an ant because I've got the 827 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: magnifying glass out and I'm trying to burn them with 828 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,280 Speaker 1: the sun. Yeah, right, It's just I mean everything gets 829 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: very quickly to the level of stories from the Old Testament, 830 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we can we can 831 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: we can give favor to these ants and they'll say, 832 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: oh food or like oh the other ants that we're 833 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: killing us are mysteriously gone and the land is poisoned. 834 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: I just hope wherever we go, if we're ever in 835 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600 Speaker 1: that position to where we can be the ones who 836 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: out there, we just build pyramids and leave, you know, 837 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a power move, you know what I mean. 838 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 1: I vote we get weird with it. Let's let's let's 839 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: give let's let's give some very basic and wildly arbitrary, 840 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: irrelevant rules, you know what I mean, Like, let's ban 841 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: people from doing let's ban a life form from doing 842 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 1: something very specific with its antenna or and it's got 843 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: to be something they would normally have never thought of doing. Right. 844 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,360 Speaker 1: But you're but you're right, this this span of time, 845 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: this one thousand years, it inherently includes space exploration at 846 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: this point, right, uh, very very soon. As far as 847 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,240 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen went, Elon Musk was planning to have four 848 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 1: ships permanently on a on a circuit to Mars, and 849 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna start sending you think is when that's gonna 850 00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: kick into Yes, So even if that estimate is wild optimistic, 851 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: which it is. But even if even if it's so 852 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:11,400 Speaker 1: wildly optimistic that that doesn't happen until uh, still another 853 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: nine hundred years. So if we're going to if we're 854 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,319 Speaker 1: going to get to space, it is going to be 855 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: within this time span, which makes it one of the 856 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,319 Speaker 1: most important eras in human history. And that goes to 857 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: your your point, John, that will involve us putting out 858 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: so much noise in the universe, even more than we 859 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,959 Speaker 1: already have, and we all read those, you know, those 860 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,760 Speaker 1: kind of bleak dystopian sci fi pieces where we finally 861 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: get a message from space and it's something cryptic like 862 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: they'll hear you and then and that could be That 863 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,280 Speaker 1: could be the thing, because we could also find ourselves 864 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: in a situation we're just speculating. Now, there's not a 865 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: basis on this as a thought experiment. We can find 866 00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,280 Speaker 1: ourselves in a situation where I mean, I would ad ants. 867 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: This is more likely the meeting of biological life form, 868 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: where we find the creations of some other organic life 869 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:14,759 Speaker 1: form and they're really into paper clips. We know that 870 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: Pluto used to be an entire sphere, but it's slowly disintegrating. 871 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: And then we have that calculator. That's the thing, given 872 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: what we understand about travel across these impossibly vast distances. 873 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: Unless there, unless they have a propulsion or transit system 874 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,879 Speaker 1: that redefines our understanding of physics, which they pretty much 875 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: would have to, we would be in one of the 876 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,880 Speaker 1: worst waiting games ever. We would say we know something's coming, 877 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: we know it's not natural. We have four years to Yeah, 878 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: so people are gonna spuild religions around that. I mean 879 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: everything every I mean, mass hysteria, and and a lot, 880 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,480 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of religions that we have 881 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen. I'm I'm riding this dead horse 882 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: to the ground. They they will have also changed such 883 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,959 Speaker 1: that they would they may be widely unrecognizable to people 884 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 1: practice them today. Right. The Catholic Church has soldiered throughout 885 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: the years and may well still exist, but may also 886 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: have a very different set of practices. They've come out 887 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: in years recent and said like if aliens come, it's 888 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 1: it's okay, It's part of God's plan. It's part of 889 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 1: the Bible, you know, all inclusive, bringing on in you know, 890 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: in which you would have been burned for not that 891 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 1: long ago, the same thing that. But Ben, I think 892 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,360 Speaker 1: you you bring up a really good point, but you 893 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: can almost take it to the next level, not just religion, 894 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: but society and species changes so so so continuing along 895 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: the thought experiment. As a society, we're probably a global 896 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 1: society by that point. We probably speak one to two 897 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,760 Speaker 1: languages as a as a group. The rest are dead languages, um, 898 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 1: and we probably you know, one currency for the planet. 899 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, these are just things that are almost inevitable 900 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: over that time period. Um. If that's the case and 901 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: we are an interplanetary species, we're going to have to 902 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: do some of the things that we discussed earlier, some 903 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: gene editing, some edition of cybernetics, things of that nature. 904 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 1: We're going to have to change to live in different environments. 905 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 1: So there's probably going to be a group of people. 906 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 1: They could be living on the ore cloud. Uh there, 907 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,040 Speaker 1: there could there will be a group of people at 908 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: Um living near Proximus and tory Um. All of these 909 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: people will have had to have changed and could be 910 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,400 Speaker 1: gone for long enough periods of time because of how 911 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: long it takes to get there that their heritage there. 912 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: The way they look, they almost would be disassociate themselves 913 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: from the history of man. They are their own thing. 914 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 1: We have created aliens thousand years. Hence we have created aliens. 915 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: The most well known to us are probably Martians, but 916 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: the lunar people are pretty weird too. They're like the 917 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: New Florida and well, it's underwater. They had to go somewhere, 918 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: by which imitt awesome and Disney owns it. But but 919 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: the that's that's fantastic though, because now we we may 920 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: have also it's the weird part this. Maybe a thousand 921 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: years is too small margin for this, But what if 922 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: we had a successful call in me on Mars, somehow survived, 923 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,440 Speaker 1: not just survived, but thrived, and then civilization on Earth collapsed, 924 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 1: we entered a dark age. We had legends about Martians, 925 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: but they never screwed up to the extent that we did. 926 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 1: And they decided to come visit us, They're like, Wow, 927 00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: our parents houses trash like that. That would be an 928 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,240 Speaker 1: alien encounter for us. They would be extraterrestrials. Um. But 929 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 1: at this point, we will have had if we're around 930 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 1: at all, we will have had people visiting these places 931 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully living there on a semi permanent basis very quickly. 932 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,919 Speaker 1: And I think you raised this point earlier. But they 933 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: will speciate that or be completely uploaded into some sort 934 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: of cybernetic you know, West World, right, and then then 935 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 1: that negates all of that, you know, So we may have, um, 936 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 1: we may have a situation where everybody on Earth speaks 937 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 1: those one to two languages. That's incredibly likely. But we 938 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,280 Speaker 1: may be in a situation where someone says, Okay, I 939 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 1: have to use my um cybernetic parts to my my 940 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: in the cloud software programming, because I've got to speak 941 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,919 Speaker 1: with this Martia who knows what the hell they're talking about. 942 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: And it becomes even more likely if we play out 943 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: the scenario we discussed earlier where we're using when we 944 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,920 Speaker 1: start with um um self replicating robots getting us to 945 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 1: other places. Uh. And then if we want to go 946 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: there because we we can't survive you know, the five 947 01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,720 Speaker 1: year trip or whatever, we laser shoot our consciousness there. 948 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: They like Mitch Yukako, you mentioned him earlier, Brent, he 949 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,520 Speaker 1: talks about a day where we will be um cosmic 950 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: tourists and so, oh you want to go. You know, 951 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 1: look at this exo planet that is, you know, fifty 952 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 1: light years away. We just we shoot through a laser 953 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: our consciousness there. You've got a robot body waiting there 954 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 1: that you rent for the day, and you go look 955 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: around and see the big volcanoes, and then you shoot 956 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,959 Speaker 1: to the next planet and so on and so forth. 957 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Now taking that a step back, just the ability to 958 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,960 Speaker 1: get there, but and and and shoot a large laser 959 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: beam shoot our consciousness there. If we shoot there and 960 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: the laser, the laser itself could take five years to 961 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: get there, depending on how far away it is. There's 962 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: no time involved to you. You get there and then 963 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, a thousand of your friends, you start a 964 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,560 Speaker 1: new all of a sudden, now we've got a new 965 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,240 Speaker 1: species of robot people, right, and yeah, and we're again 966 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: we're much more likely, based on what we understand about 967 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,880 Speaker 1: sentient life, which is very very little, we're much more 968 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 1: likely to run into technology of some sort that sentient 969 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 1: life created. It's it's the uh, the the jeer kind 970 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 1: of example from Star Trek, right. And what's fascinating about 971 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,360 Speaker 1: that is there's a very important step that we can't 972 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 1: we can't miss. And I know as some of as 973 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 1: we're listening along, we said, well, all right, send your 974 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:56,080 Speaker 1: consciousness through this laser robot people come back to Earth, right, 975 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 1: return these memories to you know, uh Matt or John 976 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 1: on Prime or whatever you call yourselves, to experience that. 977 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: What that means is they're going to have to reverse 978 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: the cloud process. They're going to take the relationship between 979 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: neurons mapped out virtually, and they'll see and see the 980 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 1: difference between that and then have your neurons performed the 981 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 1: same dance so that now you can remember these things 982 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,120 Speaker 1: and all you had to do, was you know, to wait, 983 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 1: switch bodies whatever, repair yourself for five dred to one 984 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 1: thousand years. So it's it's like, you know, it's there's 985 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: some time involved. I just want to know one thing, 986 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 1: how long I need to work to build up that 987 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,919 Speaker 1: kind of time off. That's the that's the question. Yeah, 988 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 1: I'll be I'm gonna put my out of office on 989 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I'll be back in a thousand year d m V. 990 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Still terrible. It's still terrible. It is crazy to you 991 01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 1: imagine that perhaps one day our species will think of 992 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,120 Speaker 1: time on that kind of scale I think we would have. 993 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,880 Speaker 1: We'll have to inevitably or it'll just be an an 994 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,360 Speaker 1: illusory thing. We know that we'll have uh terraforming down 995 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,400 Speaker 1: pat Uh. It will still be it'll be an imperfect science, 996 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,439 Speaker 1: but we'll have a lot better idea of what we're 997 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,760 Speaker 1: working in with and what the scale is. We will 998 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: have finally answered your earlier question, gentlemen, whether it's better 999 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: to use a laser or nuclear weapon on the on 1000 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 1: the polls of mors. Yes, Uh. We'll have new energy sources, 1001 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 1: some of which we're going to have a difficulty comprehending 1002 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 1: in like harnessing interactions and and higher dimensions or different dimensions. 1003 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:51,400 Speaker 1: UM will also have utility fog, which is, yeah, it's 1004 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: like a well it's thought experiment now, but it's like, 1005 01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,280 Speaker 1: so the Philosopher's Stone in alchemy can transform any substance 1006 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: into any other substance, utility cloud utility fog. Rather, it's 1007 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: kind of like a nano tech version of that. You 1008 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,120 Speaker 1: can say, well, I'm I enjoy this domicile, but now 1009 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,800 Speaker 1: I want something a bit more what do they call it? Southwestern? 1010 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 1: And when something with a Pueblo feel, make it so, 1011 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,040 Speaker 1: and then this fog, these nanobots would just rearrange into 1012 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 1: whatever they thought you meant now Hopefully, hopefully it won't 1013 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:35,160 Speaker 1: be as fraught with hilarious error as UM telling your 1014 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Amazon or your Google home in what song you want 1015 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,880 Speaker 1: to hear? Right, It's like it's like a crazy three 1016 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 1: D printer from the future. Yes, yeah, just a living, 1017 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: breathing three D printer. Well, I I just made the 1018 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,960 Speaker 1: UM quite necessary star Trek CONEC Generation reference. Yeah, the 1019 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,440 Speaker 1: better series. Sorry, um, yeah, I know, I just I 1020 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: just hot take just started a war. Yes, Kirker Picard, 1021 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: you decide Um, No, they thank you. Uh they the 1022 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,920 Speaker 1: one thing we haven't talked about with all of this 1023 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,360 Speaker 1: is okay, but what if we do a chief faster 1024 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,440 Speaker 1: than light travel, or what if we do find a 1025 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: way to bend spacetime to where you can you know, 1026 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,400 Speaker 1: warp seven and then we just virus out everywhere. Yeah, 1027 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,520 Speaker 1: thats just in a word, it's going to be baller. Yeah, 1028 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,960 Speaker 1: because like we can, we will be able to finally 1029 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,720 Speaker 1: confirm things that we have wandered about since we were 1030 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,240 Speaker 1: able to wonder about things. Are we rare? Are we 1031 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: alone in the universe? And by the time, by by 1032 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,760 Speaker 1: the by the time we take time out of the equation, 1033 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: which is tricky, but that is the right way to 1034 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,760 Speaker 1: say it in English, then all bets are off. Everything 1035 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 1: has changed. Know, if you are if you are warping 1036 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 1: time and space, then you can visit ten nineteen if 1037 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 1: you so wished to. Right. Um, I don't know if 1038 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 1: people would or if we recognize because now at this 1039 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:21,640 Speaker 1: point in thirty nineteen, people are recognizable to us, but 1040 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:26,680 Speaker 1: we are um, we are early man to them, and 1041 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: we we use our hands to do things. Um, not 1042 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 1: out of some sort of fashion statement, but because we 1043 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,160 Speaker 1: have to still eat the whole of food. Yeah, Now 1044 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,080 Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. So we've talked about this in 1045 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 1: the past. Human beings now we think of ourselves as individuals, 1046 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:49,680 Speaker 1: but we're much closer to cities ourselves, given all the 1047 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: cells that outnumber us, that live inside us. And this 1048 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: trend will continue, and in a thousand years again, if 1049 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: people are still around and nothing super horrific, it can 1050 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:06,040 Speaker 1: existential occurs. We are going to redefine our privacy will 1051 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: be gotten long on. Privacy is a relatively recent notion 1052 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,760 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and that's probably when it started die 1053 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 1: now too, But but by thirty nineteen, privacy will will 1054 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 1: be a weird alien why would you do that concept? 1055 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 1: And the concept of the individual will change as well, 1056 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: because the individual will be just the way our consciousness 1057 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: now is an agglomeration or the sum total of interactions 1058 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,080 Speaker 1: between neurons. We will each individually be a networked node 1059 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:42,600 Speaker 1: of several different things. You won't just have one cloud consciousness, 1060 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 1: You'll have you'll have multiple You'll be a group mind, 1061 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,880 Speaker 1: and at times that group mind might not agree with 1062 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: what you consider you, which is freaky. I mean, it's 1063 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,800 Speaker 1: it's something we've always stated in multiple languages throughout ancient history. 1064 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,720 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm on the fence. I'm of two minds 1065 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,520 Speaker 1: about that. You will be of several hundred. Well, guys, uh, 1066 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,439 Speaker 1: in the end, no matter, you know, all the things 1067 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,440 Speaker 1: we've discussed so far in this this episode, all of 1068 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,880 Speaker 1: us in this room, the four of us, Paul out there, 1069 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,840 Speaker 1: everyone listening in their office right now. They and oh, conspiracy, 1070 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,800 Speaker 1: But I didn't even see you back there. He must 1071 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,040 Speaker 1: be recharging drunk. Oh, that's what it is. They eventually 1072 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,720 Speaker 1: pass out, So all of us, you know, in the end, 1073 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: we're all going to get together in twenty nineteen and 1074 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,559 Speaker 1: decide that our species is going to move forward towards 1075 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,760 Speaker 1: the future. We're gonna steer our planet and our civilization 1076 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:45,680 Speaker 1: in the direction of a utopian thirty nineteen. Yeah, can 1077 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 1: we get some inspiring music under that? I'm totally totally kidding. 1078 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,800 Speaker 1: All of the decisions that could lead to any type 1079 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,559 Speaker 1: of utopian future will be made in corporate borders and 1080 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,840 Speaker 1: in government situation rooms, and the decisions will be based 1081 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,479 Speaker 1: on profits and margins in election cycles. The end, we 1082 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,599 Speaker 1: fizzle out for I mean for some for some point 1083 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,080 Speaker 1: of time. Oh, I wish we had more time. I 1084 01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,840 Speaker 1: find myself. This is unusual for us, Matt, I find 1085 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,920 Speaker 1: myself a little bit more optimistic. I think it probably is. 1086 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: And speaking of John and Brent, Uh, maybe we should 1087 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,599 Speaker 1: maybe we should end on a UM, end on a 1088 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,759 Speaker 1: cooperative new and go around the table. First off, guys, 1089 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on our show on 1090 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,639 Speaker 1: behalf of us and our listeners. Secondly, two questions. Uh, 1091 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,840 Speaker 1: we'll start with you John one, what of the things 1092 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,679 Speaker 1: we've examined today, what do you find most exciting? And 1093 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: to what do you find most terrifying? If you had 1094 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,680 Speaker 1: to choose, let me do a reverse or I think 1095 01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:01,679 Speaker 1: the most terrifying is the idea of moving from where 1096 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 1: we are to that next phase two where we become 1097 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,560 Speaker 1: um a first or second class civilization according to the 1098 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,559 Speaker 1: cartage of scale. I think that the road between here 1099 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 1: and there is littered with a lot of potholes that 1100 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,920 Speaker 1: could that could be UM really really take us off 1101 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: track and could become one of those existential threats, whichever 1102 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,559 Speaker 1: one you want to talk about. I mean, I think 1103 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 1: they're all just as likely as one is just as 1104 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 1: likely as another, you know. UM, That's what that's the 1105 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,680 Speaker 1: most terrifying part, because and and the reason that's the 1106 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,160 Speaker 1: most terrifying is I I'm a pretty big optimist when 1107 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,600 Speaker 1: it comes to these things. I think a lot of 1108 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,320 Speaker 1: negative human behavior is driven by need and necessity. Certainly 1109 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: some people are driven by power, but that power is 1110 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,560 Speaker 1: rooted in the power that other people will give to them. 1111 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 1: And if if the masses are are fairly happy, they're 1112 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,240 Speaker 1: not going to allow a tyrant to run them. And 1113 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,400 Speaker 1: just my one guy's thought. So I think that if 1114 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,479 Speaker 1: we if we are able to get to a thousand 1115 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,840 Speaker 1: years from now and we have made it past these 1116 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: existential threats, I do see a little bit more utopian. 1117 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:17,120 Speaker 1: I think we'll be interacting with other alien species and 1118 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,080 Speaker 1: and I think it will we will be a multiplanetary 1119 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,400 Speaker 1: perhaps multi galaxial if that's not a word. I just 1120 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,679 Speaker 1: made it up, uh species, And I think it could 1121 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,400 Speaker 1: be a really really cool future. We just got to 1122 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,519 Speaker 1: get there. I think that the for me, the thing 1123 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,200 Speaker 1: that is the most exciting is the thought of the 1124 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,400 Speaker 1: exploration what's out there, what we could do. You know, 1125 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,880 Speaker 1: It's one of those things you can just shut your 1126 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,639 Speaker 1: brain off and think, and there's really no wrong answers 1127 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: because we don't know. And that's what's awesome. The scariest 1128 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 1: part of that ties into that too, is I'm still 1129 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: hung up on the whole uploading of our consciousness and 1130 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,960 Speaker 1: what we will be if in a thousand years, for 1131 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,479 Speaker 1: us to be able to do those things, will we 1132 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,280 Speaker 1: still be human? You know? And you know that's what's 1133 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,080 Speaker 1: it mean to be human? You know? I think it's 1134 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,000 Speaker 1: the big question. And and for us to be able 1135 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,360 Speaker 1: to explore the cosmos to go out to survive, we're 1136 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to make a lot of changes, you know, internally, 1137 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,720 Speaker 1: externally physically, and what that does to us is a 1138 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,600 Speaker 1: big question mark to me. Wow. Well, gentlemen, thank you 1139 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show, Thank you for 1140 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,240 Speaker 1: having us. Well, last uh, just why don't you tell 1141 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,800 Speaker 1: everybody a little bit more about Hystery fifty one where 1142 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,360 Speaker 1: they can find you, what they should be listening to 1143 01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,040 Speaker 1: and everything, So if you haven't listened Tohystery fifty one. 1144 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,120 Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of stuff like this, like 1145 01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, UFOs, the unexplained, the unexplored. UM. We do 1146 01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,360 Speaker 1: it a little bit differently in that our third host 1147 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:52,240 Speaker 1: is not knull that'd be weird. Our third host is 1148 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,160 Speaker 1: an angry robot who you see here in the corner 1149 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,080 Speaker 1: named conspiracy Bot, and Brent built him in his lab 1150 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,280 Speaker 1: to help edit and douced the show. Instead, he just 1151 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,160 Speaker 1: get drunks, he just pardon me. Instead, he just gets 1152 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,439 Speaker 1: drunk and threatens to take over the world. Though he's 1153 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,360 Speaker 1: kind of run by like a four eight six computer, 1154 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,320 Speaker 1: so it's not a big threat. Uh, he's not an 1155 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,240 Speaker 1: existential threat. Um. But yeah, and you can find us 1156 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,640 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your podcast, our websites hystereof do 1157 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,639 Speaker 1: one dot com. Yeah, just anywhere on Facebook, Twitter, you know, Instagram, 1158 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 1: smoke signal, we'll get to you. And you have ter 1159 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,519 Speaker 1: Nation ster Nation and yeah, you can search for that 1160 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,479 Speaker 1: on Facebook. That's our discussion group and it's pretty active, 1161 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,160 Speaker 1: so we have a lot of fun in there. You 1162 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,559 Speaker 1: can you can tell us you know that we're wrong 1163 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:40,519 Speaker 1: as you can also occasionally catch one of us matter 1164 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,439 Speaker 1: myself popping in on Hysteria Nation because we are also 1165 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,559 Speaker 1: fans of the show. That's right, and check out just 1166 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,559 Speaker 1: while we're here, everyone listening, check out our Facebook group. 1167 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,680 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Just again, anything you want 1168 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,240 Speaker 1: to talk about on this show, You've got a question 1169 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,320 Speaker 1: for these guys, let's just all have a discussion. Let's 1170 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,479 Speaker 1: talk about the future. Let's talk about how none of 1171 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be good. In my opinion, it's such 1172 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 1: a doubters like what's the future? Oh God, as Matt 1173 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,799 Speaker 1: shakes his fist at the sky, and the inevitable slow 1174 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,759 Speaker 1: grind of what we recognize today as time. We reached 1175 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 1: the end of our episode, but not the end of 1176 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:25,160 Speaker 1: our show. Tune into our next episode, which, without laying 1177 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,439 Speaker 1: any spoilers because we're not quite sure which one we're 1178 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,479 Speaker 1: gonna do yet, is going to be very very very 1179 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:41,400 Speaker 1: very strange, good angel farts, trumpets, nice like slow jazz, numbers, whatever. 1180 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,880 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we'd like to hear from you. 1181 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 1: You are indeed our favorite part of the show. No offense, John, 1182 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,920 Speaker 1: No offense, Brent. Uh. You might be one of those 1183 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: people who says, guys, you did an episode on Facebook. 1184 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,559 Speaker 1: I believe you. I don't want to use social media. 1185 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,080 Speaker 1: Can't I just call you? Yes? You can. We are 1186 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:05,439 Speaker 1: one eight three three st d w y t K. 1187 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,080 Speaker 1: That's s t d w y t K and it 1188 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,400 Speaker 1: also has numbers associated with it. It's an it's an 1189 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Instagram for stuff, but Matt. What if people say I 1190 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,960 Speaker 1: hate social media and using the phone, Well, I wish 1191 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,479 Speaker 1: I could just write an email. Good thing is there 1192 01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,160 Speaker 1: in luck? Exactly? Take a pigeon on that pigeon. Make 1193 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,520 Speaker 1: sure you've got a piece of paper that has sufficient 1194 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, message on there wrapping around that pigeon's leg. 1195 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna want to he's that so it doesn't 1196 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,800 Speaker 1: come off right, You send the pigeon off. Hopefully it 1197 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,280 Speaker 1: knows where it's going, preferably south, and it'll get to us. 1198 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,000 Speaker 1: Oh oh, and also you can email us we are 1199 01:15:41,120 --> 01:16:03,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.