Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: and I'm Serena and we are here with none other
Speaker 1: than Jess from Bachelor and Paradise.
Speaker 2: Just welcome, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm excited, of course. How are you I'm not too bad.
Speaker 1: How are you guys? Good?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: Last time I had you on was Clickbait for Zach Season. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so a lot has happened since then. Let's get into
Speaker 1: going to Bachelor in Paradise. What were you looking for
Speaker 1: in a partner?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I you know, I don't really put myself
Speaker 3: out there, so my going to Boucher in Paradise was
Speaker 3: just kind of like a let me just make myself
Speaker 3: uncomfortable again and like try again and try to find
Speaker 3: my lifelong partner. And to me, my non negotiables are
Speaker 3: just someone not makes me feel like I'm you and
Speaker 3: person in the room, and someone that's very attentive and
Speaker 3: caring and patient because it does take me a while
Speaker 3: to open up. So someone that's not that doesn't see
Speaker 3: that as like a bad thing I would say.
Speaker 4: Before God, Yeah, can I ask what your dating history
Speaker 4: was like prior to going on Zach Season?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've only had two boyfriends and nothing in between,
Speaker 3: so I'm very like tunnel vision person and the last
Speaker 3: my last relationship before Zach season, I thought I was
Speaker 3: going to marry him and it was like the worst
Speaker 3: heartbreak that I've ever been through, and that's why my
Speaker 3: friends signed me up. So I definitely am not that experience.
Speaker 2: So I'm learning as I go.
Speaker 1: That's fair knowing knowing the way Bachelor in Paradise operates.
Speaker 1: Did you prepare yourself at all for potentially being in
Speaker 1: a love triangle.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, because it's like you're like a serial monogamous,
Speaker 4: like your relationship girly is the vibe I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it actually ended up being a fault
Speaker 3: that I was so stuck on not being in a
Speaker 3: love shrigle and I was so afraid of that. My
Speaker 3: biggest thing for myself going into it was to be respectful,
Speaker 3: and I think that in turn, you know, I think
Speaker 3: in Paradise like you have to be selfish, and I
Speaker 3: just like that was like something that I was so
Speaker 3: fearful of and didn't want to do.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you've seen so I feel like a big
Speaker 1: part of the issue is you're very likable and you
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends, a lot of the girls
Speaker 1: are friends with you, and you don't want to stop
Speaker 1: out anyone's toes, and unfortunately, in a place like Paradise,
Speaker 1: you almost have to write.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Joe and I have talked a lot about
Speaker 4: the benefit of being someone like an Eliza or even
Speaker 4: like a Blake that comes down and like it's not
Speaker 4: their entire cast down there, so it's kind of like
Speaker 4: if they want to hop or even like Will, like
Speaker 4: Will was talking to all the girl these day one
Speaker 4: because he's like, I don't care if my stuff on
Speaker 4: these guys toes. I don't even know these guys. Whereas
Speaker 4: like for someone like you, like I was in your shoes,
Speaker 4: like there was quite a few girls for my season,
Speaker 4: it's like if I know so and So's into this guy,
Speaker 4: like I don't want to, you know, put myself in
Speaker 4: between that even if they might be into me. Right,
Speaker 4: is that kind of the dynamic you felt like you were.
Speaker 2: In one hundred percent?
Speaker 3: And I think for me, like obviously the girls, like
Speaker 3: we all talked about who we're hopeful to see and
Speaker 3: like we kind of have like an understanding of like
Speaker 3: you kind of have.
Speaker 2: To do what you have to do.
Speaker 3: But like getting there and being there, I was just
Speaker 3: like I was just really overwhelmed and anxious, and I
Speaker 3: just didn't I think I again, like I was just
Speaker 3: scared to hurt people's feelings and even girls that I
Speaker 3: was just meeting, Like I didn't I just didn't want
Speaker 3: to sit by anyone's toes. And there's there's a lot
Speaker 3: that I'm learning looking back and watching myself for sure.
Speaker 4: Who were the guys that you were interested in meeting
Speaker 4: that you kind of talked about in advance like going
Speaker 4: on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was very hopeful to see Tanner or
Speaker 3: Tyler on the beach, Like those were the two guys
Speaker 3: that I felt like I could see myself with.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm like just.
Speaker 3: Delusional, like keep coming up with like what their personalities
Speaker 3: are like in my mind, like I don't actually know them.
Speaker 3: So I went into it knowing like, Okay, we like
Speaker 3: these guys are attractive and like, but I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about them, so like I need to meet them first.
Speaker 3: But you know, Blake was not someone that I thought
Speaker 3: but him and I would connect with right away. So
Speaker 3: that was definitely like taken by surprise, and I was
Speaker 3: very excited about it because it was more of like, oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't see this coming, and I actually like that it's,
Speaker 3: you know, something I didn't predict.
Speaker 1: Nice. I want to get more into the the Blake
Speaker 1: the Blake stuff of it all. But Tanner is somebody
Speaker 1: that you were interested also somebody Cat was interested in.
Speaker 1: We see Tanner takes Cat out of a date. You
Speaker 1: and Kat are friends. Did you guys have a conversation
Speaker 1: about Tanner prior to going on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, prior to the show, we both knew that that
Speaker 3: was someone we were both mutually interested in. You know,
Speaker 3: I did my best to not make it a think.
Speaker 3: I just think naturally, like it's just a bummer to
Speaker 3: not be chosen when you're like picturing and imagining what
Speaker 3: it could be like with someone. And so I think
Speaker 3: for me, like it was just like I was just
Speaker 3: bummed and overwhelmed by the fact that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: he took my best friend and it was like almost
Speaker 3: like a turn off for me to want to pursue
Speaker 3: him after that. But you know, he there was nothing,
Speaker 3: no one did anything wrong, Like she I it could
Speaker 3: have been me going on that date, you know.
Speaker 2: So I was never angry with anyone. It was just
Speaker 2: a bummer.
Speaker 1: We we do. I think it was. I think it
Speaker 1: was in the truth box, but I feel like someone
Speaker 1: else on the on this podcast I mentioned that about
Speaker 1: your relationship with Cat, where I think somebody wrote like
Speaker 1: Jess needs to watch out for Kat and if it
Speaker 1: feels like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what they said, it was said, it
Speaker 4: wasn't like as ominous. I think it was like Kat
Speaker 4: is being as good of a friend to Jess as
Speaker 4: she thinks she is, or something along those lines. Do
Speaker 4: you want to provide any like context or what that
Speaker 4: person meant. I feel like it was like shown and
Speaker 4: then just like never ever addressed, Like they just like
Speaker 4: threw that out there. So if you want to speak, well,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: I remembered like that just throwing me off, like it
Speaker 3: was very random. I think at the time a lot
Speaker 3: of people had a lot of anger towards Cat, so
Speaker 3: they were kind of just like finding things to contribute
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 2: I think some.
Speaker 3: People thought maybe that I wasn't going to pursue Tanner
Speaker 3: because of that, so maybe that was their perspective of
Speaker 3: saying that. But it didn't become a thing, Like we
Speaker 3: didn't have a conversation about that. I know Cat's intentions
Speaker 3: and I don't think she's a bad friend.
Speaker 4: So I want to know, so Tanner takes Cat on
Speaker 4: the date you said you were kind of turned off
Speaker 4: by that was your desire to not pursue Tanner anymore
Speaker 4: from your loyalty to Cat? Or was it more like
Speaker 4: if you wanted me, you had the chance, and now
Speaker 4: like you didn't take me in that doors post or
Speaker 4: was it maybe I was a little.
Speaker 2: Bit of both.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, obviously paradise, like you can't get
Speaker 3: your feelings hurt, people are gonna come down and they're
Speaker 3: gonna pick someone from a twenty second conversation. Looking back,
Speaker 3: I understand that, and I'm like very aware of it.
Speaker 3: But in the moment, I think I took it personal
Speaker 3: and it was like, okay, well, like I want my
Speaker 3: man to come down and be like, oh, like I
Speaker 3: like you right away, and you know.
Speaker 4: The con you wanted to have him do, like with
Speaker 4: Davia Dimmer Tanner, like one convo, be like I and.
Speaker 3: To be honest, Like watching it back, it was such
Speaker 3: an awkward conversation, like that was the first time a
Speaker 3: god pulled me so like I didn't know what to
Speaker 3: talk about.
Speaker 2: I remember like looking around a lot, being like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like am I leading this conversation? And like
Speaker 2: what do I ask?
Speaker 3: Like I hadn't Like I like I wasn't prepped for
Speaker 3: and not that you need to be prepped to have
Speaker 3: a conversation, but like I was just like it wasn't
Speaker 3: my best So looking back, I see why he picked
Speaker 3: Kat obviously, like I was so awkward and Cat's amazing, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it wasn't the best conversation. But yes,
Speaker 2: I wanted to be chosen.
Speaker 3: I wanted someone to be like I was so excited
Speaker 3: to meet Jess and I want to like get to
Speaker 3: know Jess.
Speaker 1: And where were you in Blake at that at that time,
Speaker 1: like where was your relation? What was your relationship stare.
Speaker 2: When Tanner came down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that was like only
Speaker 3: a couple of days in Blake and I were still
Speaker 3: getting to know each other.
Speaker 2: I would say it was still very like almost.
Speaker 3: Surface level because it was so so fresh. So I
Speaker 3: I think I remembered. I don't know if I'm wrong
Speaker 3: if the bonfire was.
Speaker 2: Before or after Tanner.
Speaker 3: I think it was before, so like he said at
Speaker 3: the bonfire, like he was still open and so I
Speaker 3: mean I knew that, like it wouldn't be a bad
Speaker 3: thing if I went on that date because we were
Speaker 3: on the same page about being open.
Speaker 4: Okay, totally, and that makes sense. I want to know,
Speaker 4: how would you describe yourself, Like would you describe yourself
Speaker 4: as a flirt? Do you like to pursue do you
Speaker 4: like guys to pursue you? Because like I agree like
Speaker 4: that comment, like you don't strike me as an awkward individual,
Speaker 4: like having a conversation with you right now, but I
Speaker 4: feel like, yeah, like some of the comments we've seen
Speaker 4: with like Tanner, like it seems like you may be
Speaker 4: like the guy to take the lead. But I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: I really am not that awkward, to be honest, Like
Speaker 2: I'm really not.
Speaker 1: Like this show is LISTENID, We're all we are we
Speaker 1: are when we go on this show, we are all all.
Speaker 4: Like you're talking to like the king of the show.
Speaker 1: I did the show twice. In my first conversation with
Speaker 1: Serena might have been the most awkward.
Speaker 4: It was the most I ever had my lege.
Speaker 1: I told her, I told her, I heard this is
Speaker 1: what I said. I said I heard Toronto is an
Speaker 1: ugly city, but.
Speaker 4: But no, you said, I heard Toronto's ugly on the outside,
Speaker 4: but beautiful on the inside.
Speaker 1: Probably like you, but I don't know what your insides
Speaker 1: look like. That is what I said.
Speaker 3: That was the first thing.
Speaker 4: So don't feel bad about these like little clippets or
Speaker 4: little snippets of if you feel like you look awkward
Speaker 4: like Joe, Joe takes the cake on that one girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I think for me, like I'm and
Speaker 3: I've said this so many times and like honestly, I'm
Speaker 3: proud of it. Like I'm just not a reality TV girl,
Speaker 3: Like I'm just not and I definitely like a guy
Speaker 3: to pursue me and take the lead, especially because in
Speaker 3: general I think that people assume, like taking your time
Speaker 3: to open up means you're awkward, and like that's just
Speaker 3: not the case for me, Like I just I protect
Speaker 3: myself and it picks me a while to get comfortable.
Speaker 3: And once I'm comfortable, like I'm always yapping and I'm
Speaker 3: always like going off or whatever. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: like I just like I like when a guy leads
Speaker 3: the conversation and makes me feel comfortable, and I feel
Speaker 3: like I feel like an opposite attract kind of thing
Speaker 3: is really good for me.
Speaker 4: So did you feel like you've had that with Blake?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Blake is he is not an awkward
Speaker 3: person at all, Like he will laugh at like if
Speaker 3: I say something and I'm embarrassed, Like he just like
Speaker 3: automatically makes me feel better about it. Like he never
Speaker 3: I never felt like I needed to like be careful
Speaker 3: of what I was going to say and like think
Speaker 3: about what I was going to say. Like he was
Speaker 3: very just like attentive and easy to talk to. And
Speaker 3: I feel like that type of personality like Tanner was
Speaker 3: like also a little bit shy and like nervous, and
Speaker 3: I feel like when you put too shy nervous people together,
Speaker 3: it's just like we're like talking about colors. So you know,
Speaker 3: Like it's so I think the personality of like Blake
Speaker 3: and like other people, like that's kind of what I
Speaker 3: gravitate towards more.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like your relationship with Blake was leaning
Speaker 1: more towards the friendship side opposed to the romantic romantic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: At this point.
Speaker 4: Let's says yet to talk about. Like the whole time
Speaker 4: I'm sure, like you know that we know there's more
Speaker 4: to come. No, No, you're good.
Speaker 1: Let's say before before you had opened up about being
Speaker 1: interested in still seeing other people, before that moment, before.
Speaker 4: Truth through Dare, Yeah, let's go there before truth or Dare,
Speaker 4: Where are you guys at? Like on a friendship levels?
Speaker 2: I think it was like a very like.
Speaker 3: I would say, in the middle of both, like like
Speaker 3: there's not it's not really swinging either direction. You know,
Speaker 3: we were enjoying getting to know each other, and I
Speaker 3: think getting to know each other at like a friendship
Speaker 3: level is really good. And obviously there was like a
Speaker 3: chemistry in there, so there was flirting going on, So
Speaker 3: there was like a bit of romance, but a lot
Speaker 3: of friendship of just like the basic like getting to
Speaker 3: know each other, like where you're from, like what you
Speaker 3: look for. But I mean I was always aware that.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were very open and very had very
Speaker 3: mutual conversations that we like where things are going with
Speaker 3: each other on this beach so far, if someone else
Speaker 3: comes down, we're both open to exploring. So I think
Speaker 3: I always do in the back of my mind. He
Speaker 3: was open so and I was open, So I up
Speaker 3: until that point wasn't all in yet.
Speaker 4: Gosha, And that does give some context for your answer
Speaker 4: about So now we're at Truth or Dare and they
Speaker 4: ask you if Blake's your number one and you kind
Speaker 4: of answer it away. That makes it seem like you're,
Speaker 4: for the first time kind of being like I'm not
Speaker 4: like this is us as viewers getting the first inkling
Speaker 4: of like, oh, they're not locked in on each other
Speaker 4: because you say, yeah, he's my number one on this
Speaker 4: beach right now, which I feel like is kind of
Speaker 4: the same way that you just articulated where your relationship
Speaker 4: was at. Was Blake surprised by that or was that like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we were both on that same way?
Speaker 1: We also see him as viewers we see Blake, it
Speaker 1: seem like he's thrown off by her saying that, ye yes,
Speaker 1: so okay.
Speaker 4: So I guess my question is like, was he thrown
Speaker 4: off and were.
Speaker 1: You shocked that he was?
Speaker 3: If he I think maybe I was very oblivious in
Speaker 3: that moment, like I always try to be honest, and
Speaker 3: so when I got asked that question, watching it back, like,
Speaker 3: I completely agree my response the hesitation wasn't good. I
Speaker 3: don't even remember doing that in that moment. Everything I do, like,
Speaker 3: I try to do it in a very harmless way.
Speaker 3: I was very thrown off when he was upset. You
Speaker 3: see me when he pulls me for a conversation, I
Speaker 3: was like, what's up? Like I had no idea that
Speaker 3: he was upset, and that was like to me at
Speaker 3: the moment, I thought my answer would the same answer
Speaker 3: that he would have had to be honest, gotcha, is.
Speaker 1: There more that he could have been giving to you
Speaker 1: for you to be more committed to him or not
Speaker 1: be waiting for someone else to come on the people?
Speaker 3: That's a very hard question because there was more that
Speaker 3: I could have been doing too. It wasn't There's no
Speaker 3: one to blame for like where we were at that point.
Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of more romantic things
Speaker 3: that we could have done to make both of us
Speaker 3: feel confident in each other. And I think time is
Speaker 3: my biggest enemy on Paradise, and I think I was
Speaker 3: taking my time and I was I didn't really like,
Speaker 3: you don't realize how fast it goes by, and like
Speaker 3: how decisive you need to be, And I think my
Speaker 3: indecisiveness is what was the it was the issue.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, we talk a lot about that how like,
Speaker 4: especially ice is such a short amount of time, and
Speaker 4: like it can be so out of people's comfort zones
Speaker 4: because you kind of have to like push that relationship
Speaker 4: forward constantly, and if you're someone that likes to take
Speaker 4: things slow, then it can feel like kind of like
Speaker 4: fish out of water of like, oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 4: not ready to be at that stage where Eliza.
Speaker 3: And is outside of like in the real world, Like
Speaker 3: that's just how I am, Like I don't jump into things,
Speaker 3: and so I was doing exactly what I would do
Speaker 3: off camera, and that doesn't translate well when you have
Speaker 3: like a clock ticking.
Speaker 1: So yeah, totally okay. So we see Genevieve's Genevieve comes
Speaker 1: down and she asked Blake on a date? How does
Speaker 1: that make you feel?
Speaker 3: You know, at that point, I Blake and I were
Speaker 3: He was giving me space, and I just wanted him
Speaker 3: to be happy, and I wanted I wanted both of
Speaker 3: us to figure out what's going on, what's mis sing.
Speaker 3: I did not think that he would go on that date,
Speaker 3: just because, like you know, when you're being told like
Speaker 3: someone is closed off and they want to pursue you,
Speaker 3: like I just assumed, like, oh, he's not like interested
Speaker 3: in that, but he had every right to do that,
Speaker 3: just like I had every right to explore.
Speaker 2: So I think I was thrown off, but not in
Speaker 2: like an angry way.
Speaker 3: It was just like, oh, this is a twist that
Speaker 3: I did not see coming, and like he deserves to
Speaker 3: do that, like I can't, Like I can't just I
Speaker 3: can't want to do something and not let him do
Speaker 3: that either.
Speaker 1: Him giving you space and telling you I feel like
Speaker 1: you need space from me? Were you happy about that?
Speaker 1: Did you want space from him?
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I really did not know what to do to make
Speaker 3: me like to make a click in my head, like
Speaker 3: are we the best match? Like I just needed to
Speaker 3: figure that out, Like is like Blake is great and
Speaker 3: he's every every girl, Like he's every girl would want
Speaker 3: a Blake, Like he has all these great qualities, but
Speaker 3: like is that something that fits in my life?
Speaker 2: Can I fit in his?
Speaker 3: Like? Are we the best match? So for me, Like,
Speaker 3: I didn't know the best approach to that. So you know,
Speaker 3: when he offered I respect his experience, I respect his maturity,
Speaker 3: So when he offered space, I trusted that that was
Speaker 3: the best approach for us In that moment.
Speaker 4: What were your hesitations with Blake, Because you say you're
Speaker 4: still trying to figure out if you're the best fit
Speaker 4: for each other. What was it that was kind of
Speaker 4: making you question?
Speaker 3: Was that moment like, you know, he we have such
Speaker 3: different lives outside of Paradise. You know, he's he travels
Speaker 3: a lot, he'll be live in different countries, like and
Speaker 3: you know, those are things that you can overcome. I
Speaker 3: just think I was very scared and I didn't want
Speaker 3: to leave in a public relationship just for it not
Speaker 3: to work. So I think for me, I was taking
Speaker 3: it as seriously as possible and being very logical and
Speaker 3: so I was having a lot of internal dialogues and
Speaker 3: myself out and that's where it went wrong. I probably
Speaker 3: should have communicated that a little bit more, and like
Speaker 3: I did that with my friends, I did that with
Speaker 3: you know, other people, but you don't really see that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think for me, it was just like
Speaker 3: can am I good enough to fit in his lifestyle?
Speaker 3: And like can we match where we're at in life?
Speaker 4: I feel like that's totally fair. Like I don't think
Speaker 4: you were really overthinking that necessarily, Like you're talking to
Speaker 4: like I'm from Canada and Joe's from US, so like
Speaker 4: as people that like had to overcome like the different countries,
Speaker 4: Like that is a huge just thing to consider if
Speaker 4: you're going to date someone in a different country than you.
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, yeah, like Blake has
Speaker 4: a very unconventional lifestyle, Like you're probably like, do I
Speaker 4: want to go scuba diving with whales and affing it?
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, Like I've.
Speaker 3: Shared similar interests in like our love for animals and
Speaker 3: like our passion for that, and like that's something that
Speaker 3: I would have.
Speaker 2: I was excited about that time to like join him on.
Speaker 3: But it was like, you know, I'm starting out my career,
Speaker 3: Like do I drop everything and do that or like
Speaker 3: or do I like what? It was just there's so
Speaker 3: many things that I was thinking of, and I was
Speaker 3: just being so logical and like I'm not upset that
Speaker 3: that's my approach. I think I wish I translated that well,
Speaker 3: Like I have a hard time. I get emotional. I cry,
Speaker 3: like I don't like communicate as well as I could.
Speaker 3: And I'm learning and I'm realizing that. But that's where
Speaker 3: I was at in that time, was just trying to
Speaker 3: figure that.
Speaker 1: Out right, Yes, you live in Florida, right, Okay, so
Speaker 1: another guy that also lives in Florida also is a
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift fan.
Speaker 4: A transition that was a really good transition out. I
Speaker 4: was like, where are you going with it?
Speaker 1: So, uh, it just was nothing.
Speaker 2: Was there a great guy?
Speaker 3: And you know, I think we did have a great conversation,
Speaker 3: I think like the first day, but we didn't really
Speaker 3: have any follow up to that, and I was already
Speaker 3: in my own world with Blake and figuring that out,
Speaker 3: Like it just didn't feel like something that I wanted
Speaker 3: to add on to, like the chaos.
Speaker 2: In my mind. And you know, it was really hard
Speaker 2: watching it back.
Speaker 1: I was like, were you shocked? Are you shocked when
Speaker 1: he pulled you?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just all these awkward conversations just always
Speaker 3: get aired for me, and like I think when that happened,
Speaker 3: my first reaction was, why is that conversation with John
Speaker 3: Henry being aired?
Speaker 2: Like come on?
Speaker 3: Like I was just trying to relate to him, and
Speaker 3: so I think that was my first cake when Sean
Speaker 3: pulled me. And I don't even I don't remember if
Speaker 3: I saw him next to me, if I was avoiding
Speaker 3: him or not like I don't remember that. I just
Speaker 3: like I think Sean deserved to pull me and talk
Speaker 3: to me and like figure out if there was a
Speaker 3: connection or not, like it's paradise. But yeah, no, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I don't think there was anything there for me.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. Okay, so now we see Tyler.
Speaker 1: So Blake goes on the date and we see Tyler
Speaker 1: pulls you and you guys have a conversation.
Speaker 4: Wait before we get into that, where are Tyler and
Speaker 4: Mercedes at at this by?
Speaker 3: I think, you know, they have a really great date,
Speaker 3: and I think they were like smittening over each other
Speaker 3: and getting to know each other. And I think it
Speaker 3: was still early stages. That's from like what I remember
Speaker 3: at that time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because those of your it seems like it's
Speaker 4: kind of fizzling out between the two of them, like and.
Speaker 1: We don't see and we don't really see much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we saw their date and it was kind of that.
Speaker 1: So okay, so Tyler pulls you. You guys are on
Speaker 1: the on the bed, and you guys have like a
Speaker 1: little cute interaction. You kind of both are like attracted
Speaker 1: to each other and and you make out, tell I
Speaker 1: guess tell us a little bit more about that whole
Speaker 1: situation and how you feel about Tyler.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he was some when you were interested in
Speaker 4: meeting when he came down. So how did it feel
Speaker 4: when you know Blake's not there? You got some space,
Speaker 4: you had like a bit of a tough morning with
Speaker 4: him going the date, and now Tyler's pulling out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like you finally got the confirmation
Speaker 1: you needed that, like somebody that you were into.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think, well, so Tyler was someone I wanted to
Speaker 3: get to know going into Paradise, and obviously when he
Speaker 3: chose Mercedes, I think for me, like my insecurities were
Speaker 3: showing when these guys were choosing my friends and not me,
Speaker 3: Like it's definitely like anyone in my position would automatically
Speaker 3: take a step back from that. And so when we
Speaker 3: would spend time in a group setting, without even realizing
Speaker 3: and like even trying, I would notice that Tyler and
Speaker 3: I had a lot of similarities. And I also just
Speaker 3: really liked his like bubbly personality. So to me, that
Speaker 3: was like getting me a little bit more interested. And
Speaker 3: when Blake went on that date, it was nice to
Speaker 3: finally have that opportunity to get to know him and
Speaker 3: talk to him one on one because.
Speaker 2: We hadn't really had that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think from what I remembered, it was
Speaker 3: just like a little fun conversation. Wasn't didn't feel very
Speaker 3: like it didn't feel like a lot of pressure. But
Speaker 3: I remembered still feeling a bit guilty having it still.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's from them.
Speaker 1: You felt guilty even though, Yeah, because on another.
Speaker 3: Day, Blake's approach to me was that he you know,
Speaker 3: he made a comment to me that he wanted it
Speaker 3: was nice to feel wanted, and so I think that
Speaker 3: like stuck with me for a bit, and it made
Speaker 3: me question like what am I doing?
Speaker 2: You know, And.
Speaker 3: When someone says that, you automatically are like damn, like
Speaker 3: that sucks, Like I don't ever want to make someone
Speaker 3: feel that way. So it felt just like, am I
Speaker 3: going to make that feeling worse for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I get that, but like if you're are
Speaker 1: going to be selfish in that moment, like, do you
Speaker 1: feel like did you have to go back and think
Speaker 1: like when he did say that, like, you don't really
Speaker 1: make me feel wanted? Was there a part of you
Speaker 1: that thought, well, it's because maybe I don't really want you, like,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm like, did you at least yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like at least think like half you kind
Speaker 1: of have to like go back and like me like
Speaker 1: internally and think like and that's that's a.
Speaker 3: Good perspective question, I think again, Like in that moment,
Speaker 3: so in my perspective, I have this mature man in
Speaker 3: front of me that is saying that he wants to
Speaker 3: be with me, and so it's like, why would I
Speaker 3: not want to go full force at that, Like I
Speaker 3: would be dumb to miss that, But it's like, am
Speaker 3: I the best match for him? And it's like I
Speaker 3: wanted it so in that moment, I want it to
Speaker 3: be that way very badly because I knew leaving it
Speaker 3: I would regret, like I've only had experience with like
Speaker 3: frat boys and boys that just like ghost to you
Speaker 3: after the first date, you know. So it's just like
Speaker 3: I really wanted Blake to be the one for me,
Speaker 3: and so I didn't want to let that go. And
Speaker 3: I think my indecisiveness was selfish and I see his perspective.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like it wasn't like I like, yes,
Speaker 3: when someone tells you they're all in on you. That
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you feel that too, Like there's other
Speaker 3: factors that that come in. So I think in that moment,
Speaker 3: it was like fifty percent of me was like, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, I feel so selfish and I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm you know, not thinking of him, but like and
Speaker 3: the other perspective was like, well, what has he done
Speaker 3: for me to make me feel like I'm the one
Speaker 3: for him?
Speaker 2: Besides just saying.
Speaker 4: That totally that's a good answer. That makes a lot
Speaker 4: of sense. So then my question, I thought, this is
Speaker 4: where you're going with your question.
Speaker 1: I have one more hard one and then then we'll.
Speaker 4: So when Blake, I looked at it from a different
Speaker 4: perspective because I feel like if I was in your
Speaker 4: shoes and Blake said to me, you don't make me
Speaker 4: feel wanted, I would be like, well, you're going on
Speaker 4: a date with someone else, so I don't really feel
Speaker 4: that wanted today either, Like did you have that kind.
Speaker 3: Of like there was like my mind was going crazy
Speaker 3: because there were so many things happening. It was like
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it suck that you're going on a
Speaker 3: date one of my best friends, but I'm also the
Speaker 3: reason that you're going on a date with one of
Speaker 3: my best friends. But am I because like, if you
Speaker 3: really want to beat me, you wouldn't have said yes.
Speaker 3: But like you know, they're just like this whole list
Speaker 3: of things and it's like there's no right or wrong,
Speaker 3: and like I do either.
Speaker 2: At that point, I was.
Speaker 3: Not angry with Blake, Like that wasn't the emotion that
Speaker 3: I had, because like if I wanted to explore, like
Speaker 3: he should too, and obviously like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: You said that too, and like my.
Speaker 3: Best friends, like you know, I want her to be
Speaker 3: happy and I want her to choose someone she wanted
Speaker 3: to be with. But yeah, in that moment when he
Speaker 3: said that and he was one of a date, like
Speaker 3: I just felt very defeated. It wasn't necessarily anger, it
Speaker 3: was just defeat. It was like I'm a shitty person.
Speaker 3: I feel like what am I doing?
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's got to be hard, especially like when
Speaker 4: you have had this experience with these guys coming down
Speaker 4: that you've been potentially interested in taking your friends on
Speaker 4: a date, and now the guy that you're with is
Speaker 4: taking one of your friends on it or going on
Speaker 4: a date with one of your friends. Like, honestly, that
Speaker 4: would be very hard for me for my confidence and
Speaker 4: just like an a wave of emotions. So I do
Speaker 4: feel like you have come across very genuine and like
Speaker 4: you really care for other people and other people's feelings.
Speaker 4: And I do believe that you guys had a complicated,
Speaker 4: very layered situation for your relationship that you're both doing
Speaker 4: a good job of navigating to the best of your ability.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have one more hard question. So you mentioned
Speaker 1: that you usually, yeah, go for frat boys, or frat
Speaker 1: boys go for you, and then you have this mature,
Speaker 1: go looking guy that wants you. It's like it's kind
Speaker 1: of perfect scenario. But do you feel yourself more in
Speaker 1: love with the idea of someone like Blake opposed to
Speaker 1: maybe him as a person.
Speaker 4: That is a hard question. Wow, Joe, you're really you're
Speaker 4: really heart balling just today, you know.
Speaker 1: Just no, I'm just like, because you didn't. I'm just
Speaker 1: curious because no, No. But I do think it's confusing
Speaker 1: as far as like you have this this new thing
Speaker 1: that you that you've always thought you want it right
Speaker 1: you you want to be in a serious relationship, you
Speaker 1: want to get engaged, you want to get married. You
Speaker 1: want the guy that you meet to be mature, and
Speaker 1: you feel like you have that, but in the same breath,
Speaker 1: there's still a part of you that's like, I'm why
Speaker 1: am I not all in? Right? So I guess that's
Speaker 1: that's where I'm going with you.
Speaker 4: Your question is does he fit the checklist? But you
Speaker 4: don't find it.
Speaker 3: You know. It's something that I was learning, which is
Speaker 3: you can have a great person in front of you,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are the best
Speaker 3: person for you. And I think for me, like I
Speaker 3: was trying to figure out, like, yes, I have this
Speaker 3: great man in front of me. I knew I could
Speaker 3: hear my mom and my grandma in my ear being
Speaker 3: like obsessed with him and like so excited for me
Speaker 3: to bring him home. But it's like I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people look at this situation and blame my
Speaker 3: age for why I wasn't all in, But I need
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many factors, and like, I'm not
Speaker 3: someone that's just going to date someone to date them,
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to date with the perspective of getting
Speaker 3: married and having a future with that person, and what
Speaker 3: do we like? Yes on paper everything Blake offers is great,
Speaker 3: but like, is that for me?
Speaker 2: And am I for him?
Speaker 3: And so the idea of him him, it's not in
Speaker 3: the idea him itself. He is great, but like, are
Speaker 3: we on the same.
Speaker 2: Page in life? And that's what I was struggling with.
Speaker 2: Is that the answer to your question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. And the reason I asked it,
Speaker 1: And I think that's a very im mature answer. And
Speaker 1: the reason I asked is because I do feel like
Speaker 1: that happens a lot, like in the dating world, where
Speaker 1: it's like you have this checklist, you have what you want,
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily your person, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people end up falling for that because that
Speaker 1: person fits their checklist and then it's and then you
Speaker 1: down the road, it's like, damn, this wasn't this wasn't
Speaker 1: my person?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree with you, But yeah, looking or
Speaker 4: film moment over here, Wow, you're proud of yourself right now,
Speaker 4: aren't you. We're looking forward to seeing more of you
Speaker 4: and Blake and everyone on this beach. It's been a
Speaker 4: really good season and we'll yeah, we're rooting for you, Jass.
Speaker 4: We hope it all turns out. No matter how it
Speaker 4: turns out. We hope that you're happy with it.
Speaker 1: You want to play a little quick We'll play a
Speaker 1: little quick rapid fire questions, and then we'll get you
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 4: It's all fun, easy questions. So doctor pill is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Podcast okay? Are you more of
Speaker 1: an introvert or extrovert?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I think the show would think I'm an introvert, but
Speaker 3: I'm actually an extrovert.
Speaker 1: So cool. What would you What would be your go
Speaker 1: to paradise cocktail.
Speaker 2: Strawberry mohita with whip cream on top.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I love that.
Speaker 1: What is the first thing you would buy if you
Speaker 1: won the lottery?
Speaker 3: I feel like, besides donating to a charity, I would maybe.
Speaker 2: Buy my mom a car.
Speaker 1: What is one item on your bucket list?
Speaker 2: Great white cage?
Speaker 4: Jesus, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I would not want to do that, but I respect it.
Speaker 1: What is your favorite Taylor Swift song?
Speaker 2: New Romantics?
Speaker 1: Do you know that one? If you're not that you're swifty?
Speaker 4: I'm a Taylor Swift fan, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't categorize myself as swifty. I would need to
Speaker 4: do a lot more that mainstream.
Speaker 2: So that's it's that's kind of That's why I like it.
Speaker 1: So what is your favorite dessert?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Maybe ice cream.
Speaker 1: What is the most important item you packed for paradise
Speaker 1: litter litter? What moment from Paradise so far has made
Speaker 1: you laugh the hardest?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I was crying more
Speaker 2: than I was laughing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, how about cringe the hardest ringe?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even remember.
Speaker 3: I maybe maybe just it's like, okay, probably telling boys
Speaker 3: that I'm bloated, Like that was pretty like that?
Speaker 4: So wait, did you make a TikTok about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I feel like I thought that was very fine.
Speaker 2: I like to self deprecate. I always laugh at myself,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, it's fine, it's funny.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, Jess, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and sorry I had to ask you
Speaker 1: tough questions.
Speaker 4: Well, no, what it was good. I feel like it
Speaker 4: gives us and our listeners and the viewers just way
Speaker 4: more insight into the nuances of your relationship.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, appreciate it, and thank you everyone for
Speaker 1: tuning in. And remember all new episodes of Bachelor in
Speaker 1: Paradise here every Thursday on ABC at nine to eighth Central,
Speaker 1: following The Golden Bachelor, or you could stream both shows
Speaker 1: the next day on Hulu.
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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone, and see you next time.
Speaker 3: Bye,