1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Happy Saturday. It's Chuck here and I'm here 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: to deliver to you my pick for this week's Selects episode. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: This is from July twenty seventeen. It's the episode how 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Fever Dreams Work. And quite honestly, you guys have picked 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: this one because I don't remember much about it, so 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to listen to it all over again myself, 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: so I hope you do as well. Hope you have 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: a great Saturday and a great weekend. Here we go 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: with How Fever Dreams Work. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. How are you? I'm 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. Jerry's 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: got a salad. Everything's normal, which means it's time. There's 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: stuff you should know. 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: That's right. 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Jerry's got this Shwarma special. She said, oh really, yeah, 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: she loves it. How you doing, good man? Feeling despite 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: myself kind of relaxed. Okay, I'm not feeling feverish. If 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: that's what you're driving at. 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: No, that's not what I was driving at. 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, no I'm not. 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: Do you get fevers a lot. 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: No, not anymore, although I haven't for a long time. Like, 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: I've never been like a fever person. I've probably had 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: like a handful maybe. How many fevers have you had? 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Not a ton since I was a kid. Yeah, not 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: a lot of adult fevers, right, I. 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: Mean I've had like hip hop fever. I've had rock 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: and roll fever. 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, yellow fever. 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 3: I've had a fever for a flavor of a brindle. 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 2: Oh man, me too. 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: What are those? Those aren't even potato chips, are they? 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: They're potato crisps, and those are good. They're mashed together 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 2: potato parts. 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: I don't think I want to know how those are made. 37 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: No, it's like chicken McNuggets. 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: I think a unicorn just poops them out. 39 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: Have you seen unicorn pizza? It's a little much. 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: What is it? 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: There's a restaurant in New York, I'm not quite sure where, 42 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: maybe east Side. They have unicorn pizza. It's like dough, okay, good, start, 43 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: like a nice pastel colored frosting instead of sauce, a 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: mound of cotton candy nerds or pop rocks maybe, oh 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: good lord, and then some other stuff. Supposedly, it tastes 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: kind of good. I'll eat anything that has enough frosting 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: on it. 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: I like frosting, but I'm not into like sugary candies really. 49 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: Oh like nerds and pop rocks and stuff. You know, 50 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: I did brain stuff once. I'm pop rocks and that 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: was interesting. 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, your tongue actually warms the pop rocks to the 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: point where they melt. And since they have CO two 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: trapped inside during the manufacturing process, that CO two suddenly 56 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: is released in a. 57 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 3: Pop so it's just a little bubble of CO two. Yeah, 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: that's gotta be good for you. 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: It's funny. 61 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: My head of roommate in college, like, not many adults 62 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: eat candy, Like people eat chocolate and stuff like that, 63 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: candy bars, but candy candy and an adults. 64 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: Is just a little strange anything. Yeah, do be candy? 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 2: Sure? Like what mentos? Not mint mentos? Like candy mentos? 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: I like those. 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: Well. 68 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I had a roommate that would go to the convenience 69 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: store next and this is college granted, but he still 70 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: eats this stuff, I think, okay, And he would go 71 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: with like fifteen dollars and buy you know, like giant 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: sweet tarts, you know, those big chewable ones, sure, and 73 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: like a fun dip and nerds and just all kinds 74 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: of candy fun dip. 75 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 2: Remember liquam made there's the same thing. I think. 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a sugar sugar. 77 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Right, Like I don't have a foot, but I've got 78 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: my liquim maide, Oh man, can you can? You guys 79 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: out there and podcast Lantel were stalling because we are 80 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: a big time because we happen upon a topic that 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: no one really knows what's what. Yeah, I mean we're 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: talking about fever dreams. We know about fevers, yep, kind 83 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: of know about dreams. Yeah, but apparently no one's really 84 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: gotten to work on figuring out what fever dreams themselves are. 85 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: So it's largely anecdotal. Yeah, so you're gonna have to 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: bear with us. 87 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: We'll leave it. We'll leave that there for now. 88 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess a good place to start is 89 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: by talking about both those things separately and starting with fevers. 90 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: You know, you've always heard ninety eight point six fahrenheit 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: is the normal internal body temperature of human that in 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: ninety two there was a big study that said is 93 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: really ninety eight point two depending on like how old 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: you are, what time of day it is, where you're doing, 95 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: where you if you put it in your butt or 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: in your under your armpit, or in your mouth or in. 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: Your ear or all of them at once. 98 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: That'd be something else. Yeah, it can vary a little bit. 99 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: So I think there's a bit of a slight sliding 100 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: scale to that number. 101 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But I think the key is is 102 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: it's going to be roughly around there. And even if 103 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: you have an average body temperature that's not exactly ninety 104 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: eight point six, let's say you typically tend toward ninety 105 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: seven point. 106 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 3: Five, you run cooler. 107 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, your body temperature still during the average day 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: gonna fluctuate plus or minus about a degree farent hide 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: either way. Yeah. 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: So I looked a little bit into the ninety eight 111 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: point six and the original dude that came up with 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: that was a German physician. 113 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: Named Carl Reinhold August Vondelich. It was good, a good one. 114 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: When eighteen sixty eight he wrote a book, Well he 115 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: did his studies where he had this temperature rod he 116 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: would stick under the armpits of all these people. 117 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: He's like, where do you want exactly? 118 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: And everyone once said, everyone always says, do you know 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: the comedian Rory Scovel? No, he should just check him out. 120 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Okay, he does these weird things, like he'll just do 121 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: his whole routine with a German accent. 122 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: Okay, like for no reason whatsoever. 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: I like the sound of that. 124 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: And he did one about stealing old people, like kidnapping 125 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: old people for the German accent. 126 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: He's from South Carolina, I think. 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: But he's done shows with like a severe Southern accent 128 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: and one just normal accent, and he'll do a German thing. 129 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: He just likes semester with people. 130 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: I guess. So he's great. 131 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: I will check him out. 132 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: Thinks he's one of my favorites. 133 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, eighteen sixty eight he wrote a book called 134 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: after these experiments, called dos Vehauten Eerkin Frauma and kink 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: and Heighten. 136 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 3: That is good and I looked at it. It's funny. 137 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: The real translation I think of that as on the 138 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: temperature in diseases, but if you type it into Google 139 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: Translate comes out as the behavior of the intrinsically warm 140 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: and sick units. 141 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: That's the subtitle. 142 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 143 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, he's a guy that came up in 144 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: ninety eight point six, and that stood for a long time. 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: But that's just so that was just based on his observations, 146 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: his study, and it's stuck. 147 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: It was an average. It wasn't like this is what 148 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: you should be. It was just the average of all 149 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: these people. 150 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: Right, And then one hundred thirty years later we finally 151 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: got around to verifying whether that was actually true or not. 152 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it says in ninety two that they 153 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: said it was ninety eight point two from another study, 154 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: but then everything I still read says ninety eight point six. 155 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: So all right, well, I know what you're talking about, 156 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: though I had heard in the last few years that 157 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: they're like that ninety eight point six Chazz is kind 158 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: of kind of made up. So the point is is 159 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: that your body's going to be roughly somewhere around there, right, 160 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: that's your normal body temperature, yes, and then depending on 161 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: the time of day, it's either going to be a 162 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: little cooler in that or a little warmer than that. 163 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: And our body temperature is regulated by something called the hypothalamus. 164 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: And like I said, depending on the time of day, 165 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: your body temperature is going to fluctuate, and that's tied 166 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: to sleep apparently, so as your body temperature is rising, 167 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: usually in the late afternoon is about where it peaks 168 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: during the day. That's associated with wakefulness. Alertness not necessarily 169 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: just having a high body temperature, but an incline in 170 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: the temperature in your body means you're awake, you're alert, 171 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: you're ready to go, right yeah, ready for action. Once 172 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: it starts to decline, that's associated with drowsiness and it 173 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: hits it's it's trough. Your body temperatures at its lowest 174 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: right about before you wake up, and that's actually associated 175 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: with r EM sleep. Yeah, so there are some stuff 176 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: starting to come out. Just bear with us, everybody. 177 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: We're laying the groundwork. 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: So your body temperature changes, the hypothalamus is directing the 179 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: whole thing, and sleep and wakefulness has something to do. 180 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: It's related to your body temperature changes. All right, good night. 181 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: You take it from here. 182 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, let's take a break because I'm 183 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: not sure where i should go. 184 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. Okay, I was being coy. You 185 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: set the stage very nicely. 186 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: Okay. 187 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: So if your body gets let's say, some bad bacteria 188 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: gets in it, yeah, and your body is alerted, warning 189 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: intruder is coming. Your immune system kicks in the gear 190 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: and art's producing this biochemical material called a pyrogen. 191 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: Okay, this is my new favorite thing the body does. 192 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well you knew that before, right, or 193 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: did you just not know the mechanism. 194 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean I knew humans get fevers, and I knew 195 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: the fever was to kind of like cook out everything. 196 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: I didn't understand the mechanism. I answer your question, Well 197 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: take this part then, oh yeah, kind I yeah. So 198 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: these pyrogens, right, they are these biochemical markers that are 199 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: released by the immune system in the body. Or and 200 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: this is why I love this. There's some bacteria, some 201 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: pathogens that make humans sick that produce pyrogens naturally. So 202 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: when they show up, they just start releasing the me 203 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: and they just give themselves away. 204 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's they're big dummies in that way. 205 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: Right, They're like, hey, where's the party? They kick open 206 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: the door. They're carrying like a pony keg under one arm, 207 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: their gut sticking out. It's just that's that's like that 208 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: kind of bacteria, right, uh huh. So the pyrogens enter 209 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 2: the bloodstream, they travel to the hypothalamus, because remember the 210 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: hypothalamus controls your your body temperature. And this is what 211 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: they do, Chuck, are you ready for what the pyrogens do. 212 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: Yes. 213 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: They go to your hypothalmis and they dampen the heat 214 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: sensing neurons in the hypothalamus and they excite the cold 215 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: sensing neurons in your hypothalmis, and they trick your hypothalamis 216 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: into thinking your body's suddenly gotten very very cold. Yeah, 217 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: so that your hypothalamus turns the temperature up and says, 218 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: don't let any of this heat out. We gotta warm 219 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: back up. It tricks your body, your hypothomis, and in 220 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: creating a fever. 221 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: That's right. 222 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: And they do this because well, they don't do this 223 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: because but what happens from there? They do this because 224 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: they're dumb. But what happens from there is, like you said, 225 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: the fever, what a fever is, and why you want 226 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: that fever for at least a little while. Fever that 227 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: it does, it's it's trying to cook and burn and 228 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: bake that bacteria until it dies. 229 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: Right. 230 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: It is your body's fighting. Like when you hear, you know, 231 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: like your fever broke, that's usually a good sign. That 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: means yeah, right, that your fever did its job and 233 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: it's cooked all that bacteria up, and you're going. 234 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: To be on the men soon. Yeah. So basically that's 235 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: what's happening. And this is the great thing about a fever. 236 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: But you know, fever makes you feel like crap because 237 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: it's a lot of hard work to kill all those things. 238 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: Well it is. There's a lot of your sympathetic nervous 239 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: system is kicked into high gear, which I found out 240 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: is one reason why they say you want to feed 241 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: a cold starve a fever because you don't want to 242 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: introduce digestion because it requires the parasympathetic nervous system right right, 243 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: fight or flight, and you don't want those two things 244 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: going on while your body has a fever. It's just 245 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: a lot of extra work for it. Right. But one 246 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: of the things that is going on when your body 247 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: has a fever, when that temperature rises, it's hard enough 248 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: on your organs, but it's also hard on the level 249 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: just the fact that they're operating outside of their normal 250 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: operating temperature. Yeah, and that makes it very hard on 251 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: them and can actually cook some of the ingredients inside 252 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: your cells. 253 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 254 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's like working in a too hot of 255 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: an environment. It's just never fun for anyone, right, although 256 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: I got some people love that stuff. 257 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're still they might like it, but they 258 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: still aren't working fast. 259 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. 260 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: You know, they might be happy, but they're slow. 261 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: So if you have a fever, what's considered a fever 262 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: now in twenty seventeen, If you're an adult and your 263 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: oral temperature is above one hundred point four, or if 264 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: you're rectal or ear temperature is above one oh one, 265 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: then that's considered a fever. If your kid, good luck 266 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: getting anything besides the rectal temperature because. 267 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: It's just tough. 268 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: You have basically no right. 269 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, which you have as wiggly kids who aren't like, sure, 270 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: stick something in my ear for force second. Yeah, but 271 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: up the up the kazoo. 272 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: There's not really anything they can do about that. 273 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: All they can do is say glavin. 274 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 275 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: So the rectal temperature for a kid above one hundred 276 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: point four, and with adults like you don't have to 277 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: really worry about your fever too much. If it tops 278 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: one hundred and five for you know, any period of time, 279 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: you probably want to do something about that. 280 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: That's what I saw was one hundred and five degree 281 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: farenthype mark was about where you should start to work. 282 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, as an adult, and you're going to feel so awful. 283 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: If your tempera is one oh five, you've probably already 284 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: been to a doctor at that point, let's hope. 285 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: So for kids it's different though. 286 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: If you don't want to let your child get up 287 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: to one o five, that's bad, bad, bad. 288 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: So what is it for kids that you really want 289 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: to start worrying about? 290 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: Did you say, Oh, you know what, I'm not exactly sure. 291 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it probably depends on whether you're a first 292 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: time pairing or this is your second. 293 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it varies with the age. It's like 294 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: zero to eighteen months. It's something. 295 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: And I guess you like what you should do is 296 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: go consult your doctor. 297 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 298 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: But you know, any kind of temperature you should for 299 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: a child, you should kind of be a little more 300 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: alert about. 301 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: Right. But we're not in medical experts here. 302 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: No we're not. And everything we're saying assumes that you 303 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: have healthcare coverage. 304 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: That's right, all right, So that's fever in general. You 305 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: got anything else on that? 306 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? One other thing. The the pyrogen's. 307 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: Piro by the way, it's no mistake. Man, I did 308 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: have some coincidence. 309 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: No, it's not. What is it Latin for fire? Greek 310 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: word for fire? Yeah, Piro eat def Leppard. Right, great song, 311 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: it really is, all right the whole album album. 312 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 313 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. They just mentioned it in Rock of Ages. Yeah, 314 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: it comes up. 315 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: They should have a song called Pyromania wonderful. 316 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: But that's pretty cool. It's like the antithesis of your band, 317 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: your album, and your song all being the same name. 318 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: Like Big Country. Oh I love that song, sure, but 319 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: it's pretty uncreative. But you're basically saying, like, here's our 320 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: basket and we're gonna put every egg we have into it. 321 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: It's the one one thing we came up with. 322 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 323 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: I saw David Spade bit once and he was talking 324 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: about He's complaining it wasn't even comedy. He was just 325 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: complaining that he went and saw a Big Country and 326 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: they didn't play the song Big Country. Now. Yeah. Really, 327 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: He's like, it's the name of your band, It's the 328 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: one song everybody came to see and they play it. 329 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: He's funny too. 330 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: Well. The long, the long and short of it is 331 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: is I totally forgot what the other thing I had 332 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: to say about pirate tins was, so I'll probably think 333 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: of it. Oh, I know what it was pyrogens. As 334 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: your immune system grows in ages and you become a 335 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: grown up, the pyrogens have a little less of an 336 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: effect on you. So where if you're a kid and 337 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: your immune system is young and inexperienced, your fever's gonna 338 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: shoot up quick, and it's going to it's gonna get 339 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: hotter faster. So you do want to stay on top 340 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: of a kid's fever because their immune system is not 341 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: used to pyrogens coming and messing with their hypothalamus, making 342 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 2: adults it is. 343 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll spike much faster. That's a good point. 344 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to think of. 345 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. You need to take that. 346 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: You need to take that rectal temperature way more than 347 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: you're comfortable with. 348 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: I don't recall that ever having been done to me. 349 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: Well, because you don't remember being a baby. No, But my. 350 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: Parents were pretty strict, pretty stern. No. 351 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: And by the time a kid is old enough to 352 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: where you can say like, hey, put this under your tongue, 353 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: or hold still for a minute while I put this 354 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: in your ear. Yeah, but pre that when they're not 355 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: sentient humans, and they're just, you know, crying, whiny little 356 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: sacks of flesh. 357 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: I got you. 358 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: You got to stick it right up the butt. Okay, 359 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: Harry's laughing. 360 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: She almost spit out her schwarm of salad. 361 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: Harry's done plenty of that, so she knows. Okay, So 362 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: into dreams. I always think we've done a general show 363 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: on dreams. 364 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: I think we did. Finally, I didn't find it. 365 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: What still, No, I saw lucid dreaming. Can you control 366 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: your dreams? 367 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: That's the same thing, wasn't it. 368 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: I think that was the maybe. Yeah, No, we did. 369 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: One on dreams. 370 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 3: I didn't see it. 371 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: Wow, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Well, 372 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: this contributes to the little by little. 373 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: Someone will know. 374 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: Okay, Jill Hurley, where are you when we need you? 375 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Our stattician Minister of stats? 376 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: Right, all right, Well we'll talk about. 377 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: Dreams a bit here then, even though we've explained this 378 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: in various episodes here and there to some degree, but uh, dreams. 379 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: You know, if you're a psychologist, you really love to 380 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: spend time talking and dissecting dreams, interpreting dreams. 381 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 3: If you're a. 382 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: More into the neurology side of some cis, you don't 383 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: really care about that kind of stuff. In fact, for 384 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: many years they thought it was called activation synthesis hypothesis, 385 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: which was you go to sleep and all these synapses 386 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: are just randomly firing and they don't really add up 387 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: to even a story. You just do that when you 388 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: wake up because you're human. Yeah, but that, I mean, 389 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: that's complete bs. 390 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: Well, you almost get the impression that they came up 391 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: with this and the neurologists came up with it to 392 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: stick out their territory. In response to years of psychoanalysts 393 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: saying this is what dreams are, right, like tapping into 394 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: the collective unconscious or your repressed memories, neuroscience said, no, nothing, Yeah, 395 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: they're just your stupid wet brain going crazy while you sleep. 396 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, which we all know now is not true. 397 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: I saw another one too, what's that threat simulation theory? 398 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: Have you heard of that one? 399 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: No, but that's a great band name. 400 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: Basically, it's you're training to be a ninja while you sleep, 401 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: Like your brain is running threat simulations constantly, so that 402 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: it's like working itself out, like getting more and more 403 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: agile and quick and like like, so you can get 404 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: better at running from a saber tooth tiger, right, if 405 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: you actually encounter it. 406 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: I could see that early on maybe. 407 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: Sure, And there is an evolutionary advantage to it, so 408 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: evolutionarily speaking, it would make sense. The point is it 409 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: that one came along and was like, no, there's obviously 410 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: some reason for dreams, it's not just random. 411 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 412 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: Well, and then maybe I could have seen that early on. 413 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: But then at some point someone around the fire had 414 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: a dream about TikTok's wife and woke up and went, whoa, right, 415 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: there's no saber tooth tiger in that. I'm not sure 416 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: what that meant, but I better not tell tiktook right, 417 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: you know. 418 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: And then they went, what's a rectal thermometer? It hasn't 419 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: even been invented yet. 420 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: So these days they've done actual studies with EEG machines 421 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: and MRI machines, and especially in Italy, these Italian researchers 422 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: basically put people to sleep, not put them to. 423 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: Sleep in a sleeper hole. 424 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: They lay them down in a nice Italian bed, feed 425 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: them some pasta fazoul. 426 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: And get out the rectal thermometer. 427 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: Yep, and they hook them up to all these wires 428 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: and machines and then they will wake them up at 429 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: different points in the night and say, hey, what were 430 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: you dreaming of? We'd like to talk about it and 431 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: study what was going on with these machines. 432 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: Right, And they actually what they found supports the current 433 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: the prevailing theory. I don't think it was their theory. 434 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: I think it was around, but their research supports it 435 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: called affect regulation theory, which is basically that we control 436 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: our emotions or we process our emotions through our dreams. Yeah, 437 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: and these Italians found support for this and that when 438 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: they woke people up and asked them what they were 439 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: dreaming about, the ones who had the best recall were 440 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: the ones who had the most Theta waves in their 441 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: frontal lobes. 442 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: Right, which are slow moving waves. Right. 443 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: Yes, And when you look at an EEG machine, if 444 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: you looked at those dreamers brain waves, it looked like 445 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: the brain waves of somebody who was sitting there forming 446 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: and recalling memories. 447 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: Right. 448 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: So these people said, that's what they're doing. That's what 449 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: all of us are doing. While we're dreaming, we're forming memories. 450 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: We're taking emotions that we've experienced through the day, and 451 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: we're creating memories. Out of them so we can file 452 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: them away. So we're processing our emotions in our dreams. 453 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: That's the point of dreams. That's the current understanding. Yeah. 454 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: And then I mean other parts of the brain that 455 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: have been active all sort of deal with emotion, whether 456 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: it's the amygdala and the hippocampus or the lingual gyrus, 457 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: which I think. 458 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: We just talked about that in another episode. 459 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: I don't recall. 460 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: I can't remember, but. 461 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: They're all areas of the brain that relate to emotion 462 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: and memory, right, and some with visual activity. 463 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: And you know that kind of makes sense. I like 464 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 3: that theory. Yeah. 465 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: And then under that current theory, so that's like the 466 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: explanation for regular dreams. And you can't just have a 467 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: theory for dreams without including nightmares or else your theory's broken. Right, 468 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: So the affect regulation theory considers nightmares. Basically, it's an 469 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: emotion that's being put into the process of being, of 470 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: creating a memory, a false memory, right, a dream memory, 471 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: I guess you put it. But it's a real emotion, right, 472 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: and it's so big it breaks the process, and all 473 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: of a sudden, this process of creating a fake memory, 474 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: a fake experience goes haywire, and now all of a 475 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: sudden you're enduring some terrible, horrifying experience because the emotion 476 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: that was being processed was too big and got out 477 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: of control. And now you have a nightmare ts for you. 478 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we did one night terrors, right. 479 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: We did for sure, all right? And sleep paralysis, we've 480 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: covered it all. 481 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 3: I think I. 482 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: Guess we really haven't done a dreams one. 483 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: All right, So let's take another break. 484 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and finally talk about fever dreams. 485 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: You robbed me of a Saturday night fever reference. I 486 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: just want to go on record as saying. 487 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 3: That I was wrong. 488 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: So Chuck, here's where everything just kind of goes totally 489 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: off the rail. We've talked about fevers, We've talked about nightmares. 490 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: The problem is really understanding both doesn't necessarily amount to 491 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: understanding them together. Right, So, knowing what fevers are, knowing 492 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: what dreams are, it doesn't mean you know what fever 493 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: dreams are. But you can make stuff up if you want. 494 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm boy, I don't even think we even 495 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: said if you've never had a fever dream, you might 496 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: even know we're talking about. Oh yeah, feel kind of 497 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: dumb at this point in the podcast. But a fever 498 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: dream is basically a nightmare on steroids. It's just so 499 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: vivid and so real and scary, right, that happens, you know, 500 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: when you are sick with a fever. 501 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Yes, obviously, so they're fever dreams, right, So they are 502 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,239 Speaker 2: a thing. Yeah, but the scientific literature on them is 503 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: super thin, basically non existent. 504 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: It seemed to get them, if not more, at least 505 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: they stand out more to children, right, And so anecdotally 506 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: people seem to recall having fever dreams more when they 507 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: were kids. Whether or not that's true or just a 508 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: memory is or you know, what do you call it, 509 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: like a memory bias or whatever. 510 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, no one really knows. 511 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I mean we don't really know because. 512 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember the last time I had a fever 513 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: and if I did, whether or not I had a 514 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: fever dream. 515 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever had a fever dream. 516 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: I did when I was a kid. 517 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember having fever dream. 518 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember being sick as a kid and having 519 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: like nightmares when I was sick. 520 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: So like they're noticeably worse than your average nightmare. Yes, really, 521 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: so would you keep waking up from them that I 522 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: don't remember. See, that's that's a big question to me. Well, 523 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: let's talk about the anecdotal theory of what is behind 524 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: fever dreams. Right, Okay, So when your body's undergoing a fever, 525 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: we said that your body's not functioning at its top performance, 526 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: and that includes the brain. The brain itself is an 527 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: extremely special organ if you didn't know already, it's like, 528 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 2: I think two percent of the body's mass, yeah, but 529 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: it requires twenty percent of the bodies energy. 530 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 531 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: And the neurons compared to regular old dumb cells, they 532 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: burn or they need about between three hundred and twenty 533 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: five hundred times more energy, right than a regular old 534 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: dumb cell in your body. 535 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: Right. 536 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: And so when all these chemical processes, when all of 537 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: this energy is being exploited to power cells, it produces 538 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: the byproduct of heat. 539 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 540 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: So the brain is super sensitive to overheating. Right already, 541 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: it's just under normal circumstances. 542 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's generally taken care of by your body 543 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: likes you know that it's cooled down right and regulated. 544 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: Right. So, if you have a fever and your brain 545 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: is not operating at optimal conditions, but you're asleep, so 546 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 2: it's trying to go through its normal processes. If you 547 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: have a nightmare, it's entirely possible that that nightmare is 548 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: going to be far, far worse because the normal processes 549 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: of broken down, or it's even further possible. Apparently, the 550 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: amygdala is frequently implicated with nightmares because it has to 551 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: do with being terrified or angry or fearful. The amygdala 552 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: might be functioning at an abnormal level. Yeah, and it's 553 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: just basically going haywired while you have a fever. 554 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 555 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: And then the fact that most dreams occur during rim sleep, 556 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: and I think that's when your body is warmest sleep anyway, right. 557 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: That's when see, this is where it all gets kind 558 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: of hinky. During r em sleep, your hypothalamus says I'm done, 559 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: I'm not working right now, so it stops regulating temperature, 560 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 2: which is usually why your body temperature is lowest right 561 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: before you wake up. 562 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: Oh I thought it was highest right before you wake up. 563 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: No, it's highest in the afternoon while you're awake. It's 564 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: lowest right before you wake up. 565 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: I feel like I always wake up hot. 566 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: You I mean, you may be like sleeping with too 567 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 2: many blankets. Your room might be a little. 568 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: Too warmlankets, huh. 569 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: Or maybe it's my stupid you know, schedule of my 570 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: ac I mean it could be you know, it might 571 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: have cut off a couple hours before or something. 572 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 3: Right, it could be right, so fires up after I 573 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: get up. 574 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: Because supposedly, when you are sleeping and you're in ram sleep, 575 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: your hypothalamus is not regulating temperature during that period. So 576 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: if you if you are already hot and remember high 577 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 2: body temperatures associated with wakefulness, Yeah, then maybe you are 578 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 2: waking up more frequently than you normally would, and when 579 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: you wake up in the middle of a dream, you're 580 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: more prone to remember it. If you wake up in 581 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: the middle of a nightmare, it's going to seem even 582 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: worse than one that you had and woke up normally from. 583 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I had a series of not nightmares 584 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: last night, but just sort of anxiety dreams. And I 585 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: don't have any anxiety about anything right now. I think 586 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: it was just after reading all this stuff. Oh yeah, 587 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm just suggestible. 588 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: You had anxiety dreams. 589 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, huh, but not about like nothing specific. 590 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: No, like there's you know, usually if I have anxiety dreams. 591 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm just like, because something's going on in my life, 592 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm anxiously sure. Yeah, but there was just a research 593 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: h I think. So, man, you're dedicated. But they're also 594 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: celebrity dreams because you know I've talked about those before. No, yeah, 595 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: yeah that I have just celebrity dreams all the time. 596 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: But they're just very normal that I'm just like friends 597 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: with celebrity people. 598 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: But they were they anxiety ridden last night? 599 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: Yes, Like I was hanging out with the band Luna. 600 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: Dean ware them of Luna, all right, and there was 601 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: but there was I can't remember exactly what was going on, 602 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: but you know, there was anxiety involved, like I was 603 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: trying to get somewhere and couldn't get there, like the 604 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: typical stupid dream stuff, you know. 605 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: But Dean was in there somehow. 606 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you talked to him today? 607 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't know him, but uh, I think I know 608 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: why they were in there, that's all I'll say. 609 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, wink wink. 610 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: I guess. 611 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: So here's another thing that was our own article I 612 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: thought was interesting, just a little tidbit, was that some 613 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: recreational drugs like methan ecstasy can raise brain temperatures. Right, 614 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: That is one of the reasons they think that it 615 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: kills so many brain cells when you do those drugs. 616 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, supposedly you're not supposed to take ecstasy in warm climates. 617 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, never, I have heard that. 618 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, just norway. Well, there you have it, only it's 619 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: fall barred. 620 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: What else? Is there anything else in here? 621 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: No? Man, I can't believe we stretched this one out 622 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: as far as we did. Alrighty, we never have to 623 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: talk about fever dreams again, Chuck Good. If you want 624 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: to know more about fever dreams, well you might as 625 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: well start at HowStuffWorks dot com. There's nothing wrong with that. 626 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: And you can also just go around and look at 627 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: how sparse the research is on the internet for yourself. 628 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: And if you are a researcher and you know more 629 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: stuff about fever dreams, that you can point us to 630 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: let us know. Yeah. In the meantime, I think I 631 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: said search bars somewhere in there, which means it's time 632 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: for listener mail, you know what. 633 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: I think Another reason the anxiety dreams is because I'm 634 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: barreling through the season of Fargo and the third season. Yeah, 635 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: and the two episodes I watched last night, which I 636 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: believe were if there are ten, I think it was 637 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: eight and nine. We're both just like ratcheted. 638 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: Up with tingin. I'm sure that's what it was, and 639 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: I think that probably had something to do with it. 640 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: That happens to me sometimes I'll be watching something I 641 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: won't realize how on top of me it's gotten, and 642 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like it goes to an 643 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: ad and I'm like really uptight about like this scratching 644 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: dent washing machine sale that's going on somewhere, and I 645 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: don't understand why, and I'm like, oh, wow, that TV 646 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: show really got to me. 647 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Fargo had something to do it. 648 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: I think you may have nailed it. 649 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: All right. 650 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this one garden variety fan mail, which 651 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: we don't read a lot of these, so I'm going 652 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: to dig in. Hey, guys, that's all this is fan maail. 653 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: You guys are doing a great job, always have. It's 654 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: clear that with every episode you take great pains to 655 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: provide the most accurate information you can in the most 656 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: thoughtful way possible. 657 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: How ironic that you would read this on the fever 658 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: Dreams of Us day. 659 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: This has never been more evident to me than in 660 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: the episodes you did on puberty. I know it's been 661 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: a little while since he's came out, but just listen 662 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: to them, and it was touching to see how frequently 663 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: you tried to reassure young listeners what they're experiencing is 664 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: normal and that there was nothing wrong about what was happening. 665 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: To hear two grown men do their best talk to 666 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: young boys and girls about such sensitive material. 667 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: What's a pleasure? 668 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Yes, at times I could practically feel you nervously twitching 669 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: while trying to discuss menstruation in an informative yet reassuring way, 670 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: but it was absolutely charming. Just reaffirm what we've always known. 671 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: You two are just a pair of great dudes. 672 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. Yeah, I like this guy. 673 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: I've only been listening for a few years, but I'm 674 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: a lifetime fan. Now if you're keeping count, like to 675 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: put in a vote for DC for live shows. Josh 676 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: h E d G E E sorry E d G 677 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: E is edge and then ed two l's Edgel Edgel. Sure, yeah, 678 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: Josh Edgel or Edgel? I like Edgel or ed Gil 679 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: L or Edge. 680 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: I think Edgel Edgel sounds like a kid next door. 681 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: Josh Edgel, It's Josh and Josh. You know what, We 682 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: usually come to DC once a year. I don't think 683 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: we're coming this year though. 684 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: No, we probably will be there early ish twenty eighteen. 685 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. DC's always great to us, so what we'll definitely be. 686 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 2: Back yeah soonish yeah. Uh. And you can always fly 687 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: somewhere in the continental United States or Canada. Josh, take 688 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: that Asla Express up to Brooklyn exactly. 689 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 3: It's a pleasure train. 690 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 2: There you go. There's Rechtel thermometers everywhere. Uh. And if 691 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: you want to get in touch with us, you can 692 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: send us both and Jerry an email to Stuff podcast 693 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a 694 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio. 695 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: For more podcasts myheart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 696 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.