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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Remember that gorgeous young mom whose husband goes missing and

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Speaker 2: then she runs out while her husband is missing and

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Speaker 2: buys a new bed. I'm talking about the Utah mom

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Gludhel in the last days another bombshell. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Not only did.

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Speaker 2: Utah mom Jennifer Gludhell rush out and buy a brand

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Speaker 2: new mattress after her husband goes missing, she also demanded

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Speaker 2: her dad give for thirteen thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Why that's right.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Gludhill demands thirteen thousand dollars from her dad just

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Speaker 2: days before she allegedly murders her National guardsman husband. We

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Speaker 2: also learned that at this hour there's another courtroom battle

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Speaker 2: brewing over of course, life insurance. But first let's talk

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Speaker 2: about the thirteen thousand dollars demand. This is what we're

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Speaker 2: learning from court documents we've just obtained. A Utah mom

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Speaker 2: texts her dad claiming she needed thousands of dollars in

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Speaker 2: the days just before her husband goes missing. Air Quota

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Speaker 2: air quote quote, I need thirteen thousand dollars by Friday Okay,

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Speaker 2: now we're learning this from a formerly sealed search warrant

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Speaker 2: in court documents. Gladhill sends the message to her dad,

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Speaker 2: Thomas ray Gluedhill, about seventy two hours before investigators think

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Speaker 2: she murdered her husband, Matthew Johnson, a National Guardsman. They

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Speaker 2: also think she murdered him in the master bedroom of

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Speaker 2: their cat Inwood Heights home.

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Speaker 1: Now where is that?

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Speaker 2: That's about ten or twelve miles outside of Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: Hence they buying a new mattress.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before I get into the life insurance brew Haha,

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Speaker 2: what do we know about Thomas ray Glaedhill's disappearance?

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Speaker 3: Trouble is unfolding in the quiet suburbs of Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 3: US National Guard soldier Matthew Johnson hasn't shown up for

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Speaker 3: work and his kids haven't heard from him for days.

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Speaker 3: Where is Matthew Johnson?

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Speaker 4: The day Matthew Johnson is set to return to work,

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Speaker 4: Jennifer Gledhill reports her husband missing. He should have been

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Speaker 4: home from base hours ago, and his phone is going

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Speaker 4: straight to voicemail. As it turns out, Johnson never showed

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Speaker 4: up to work that morning either. Jennifer says she last

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Speaker 4: saw her husband pulling out of the driveway.

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Speaker 2: Neighbors confirm they saw the husband's truck in the driveway.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of evidence in this case, but bottom line,

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Speaker 2: where is this husband?

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Speaker 1: A father, a special ops officer?

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Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now he is still missing again

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Speaker 2: with me an All Star panel. But first I want

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Speaker 2: to go straight out to Jennifer Tokowski joining us investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: This is some ritzy area where he goes missing. Correct,

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Speaker 2: tell me about it.

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Speaker 5: Cottonwood Heights, Utah, is located just about sixteen miles away

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Speaker 5: from Salt Lake City. They lived in an extremely wealthy neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: a million dollar homes. It's very uppity. I mean something

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Speaker 5: where somewhere that you would never expect something like what

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Speaker 5: is unfolding to happen.

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Speaker 2: There is a massive search for the victim in this case.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson. Of course, when you've got a dad with

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Speaker 2: a huge house, note three children, and every picture I

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Speaker 2: see of them, they're all wearing designer clothes, They're driving

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Speaker 2: fancy cars, the whole shebang. Joining me, Raymond Judice, high

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Speaker 2: profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction Raymond. Very often

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Speaker 2: when a guy goes missing like this, you know, they say, well.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go get a loaf of bread, and

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Speaker 1: they never come back. They just start a new life.

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Speaker 2: And this guy is a special ops Okay, he knows

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Speaker 2: how to disappear.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he just got sick of her and paying for

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Speaker 1: that huge If you've seen the house, it's.

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Speaker 2: Huge, and they've got that. He's got the wife, the

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Speaker 2: designer clothes, the fancy cars, the pool, the works, and

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes people just take a power and leave Nancy.

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Speaker 6: Back in the seventies is a book called Run Rabbit Run,

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Speaker 6: and that was exactly the premise. Too much pressure, too

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Speaker 6: many car notes, too much house notes, taxes, insurance, go

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Speaker 6: to work every day, childwood on the weekend, taking the

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Speaker 6: kids to soccer. And this guy just says that's enough, Hey.

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Speaker 7: I'll be back.

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Speaker 6: As you said, I'm going to go to them to

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Speaker 6: the quickie market and get a loaf of bread.

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Speaker 7: And he just keeps running.

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Speaker 6: That's not unusual. It's not unusual on you know, post COVID.

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Speaker 6: I think we all look back on the pressures that

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Speaker 6: were all under to obtain, you know, the brass ring

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Speaker 6: of life, when maybe living simply might be better.

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Speaker 2: You know. Sergeant Gary Young is joining us special guest

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Speaker 2: today out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah. He is a sergeant

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Speaker 2: there in the Cottonwood Heights Police Department.

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Young, I've got so many questions for you.

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Speaker 2: But when we're saying deadbeat dad, I mean I'd be

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Speaker 2: running a one hundred and fifty person arraignment calendar, all felonies,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 1: And there would be a huge throng of people in

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Speaker 1: the hall. Who were they? They would be the.

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Speaker 2: Second wave of defendants coming in for deadbeat Dad. There'll

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Speaker 2: be just as many of them as there were of

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Speaker 2: criminal defendants, criminals, murders, rapists, child molester's, artists, the works,

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Speaker 2: drug lords. I'm like, who are those guys? Are they

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Speaker 2: on the calendar? If so, they need to be in

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Speaker 2: the courtroom. I'm going to bond forfeit them. And they're like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: they're all the deadbeat dads. So when you get a

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Speaker 2: dad that goes missing, my first thought would be dead

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Speaker 2: beat Agree or disagree?

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Speaker 8: Sergeant Yeah, I would, I would. I would think that

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Speaker 8: that would be the easiest explanation. If you know, if

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Speaker 8: someone just disappeared off the radar, you know, are they

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Speaker 8: trying to escape something, are they having a stressful life?

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Speaker 7: Are they going to go commit suicide?

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Speaker 8: You know, who knows what would lead someone to go

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Speaker 8: off the radar and originally on.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Sergeant Gary Young, Wait a minute, suicide, Wait

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Speaker 2: a minute. I find it much more often that the

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Speaker 2: deadbeat dad leaves for his younger girlfriend. Okay, he's going

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Speaker 2: to commit suicide. He's dumping the family and the wife

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Speaker 2: the college funds and the braces and the whole shebang

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Speaker 2: from his thing. That is what I would immediately think.

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Speaker 2: I would immediately think, oh, he's killed himself. Men leave

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Speaker 2: home every day, thousands of them a day, and typically, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, women leave too, but typically the woman is

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Speaker 2: left behind to raise the children, pay the bills, and

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Speaker 2: somehow cobble it all back together again. So in this case,

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Speaker 2: when you first hear he's gone, did you immediately think.

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Speaker 1: Suicide, left the country. What was your immediate thought?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever even consider he just got tired of

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Speaker 8: My original thought was that these has taking a break.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure how much stress he's going under. I

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Speaker 8: thought he was just kind of going off the radar

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Speaker 8: and we'd find him coming back into few days, you know,

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Speaker 8: a week at the most that he would.

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Speaker 7: Be coming back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Sergeant, you do know I'm a crime victim and

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Speaker 2: a former felony prosecutor and a fed before that, I'm

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Speaker 2: on your side.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but here comes the rest of that sentence, taking

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Speaker 1: a break?

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Speaker 2: How what huh? Taking a break from your family? What

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Speaker 2: does take a break mean? Sergeant Gary Young?

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Speaker 8: Well, in your context, I was saying escaping his situation.

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Speaker 8: That's what I referred to as taking a break. I

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Speaker 8: assumed that we would find him, you know, returning back

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Speaker 8: home again. You indicated that he's he's escaping or felony abandonment.

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Speaker 8: There were no indications that he was that type of

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Speaker 8: person he would just abandon his family. Now he's missing.

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Speaker 8: He was reported as missing, and you know, we put

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Speaker 8: out a press at least asking for the public's helped

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Speaker 8: identify him, look for his truck.

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Speaker 7: You know, if anyone has contact with him.

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Speaker 8: To please have him return so we could close out

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Speaker 8: the missing persons and reunite him with his family. To

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Speaker 8: tell you the truth, I didn't think about felling abandonment

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Speaker 8: when we took this call.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad to hear what you just said.

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young is a special guest with us today.

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Speaker 2: He is a sergeant in the Cottonwood Heights PD. So

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Speaker 2: you're telling me he had no history of taking breaks,

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Speaker 2: as you euphemistically put it, No history of that, no

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Speaker 2: history of not supporting his children ever, nothing like that

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Speaker 2: in this guy's history. Matthew Johnson correct, correct, Okay, that

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Speaker 2: puts things in an entirely different light.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: As Cottonwood Heids Police continue their exhaustive search for Matthew Johnson,

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Speaker 4: a call goes out for the public's help in finding

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Speaker 4: not only Matthew Johnson, but his truck. Matthew is just

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Speaker 4: I'm just standing five foot nine, weigh one hundred and

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Speaker 4: seventy eight pounds. He has blue eyes and a shaped head.

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Speaker 4: Johnson drives a maroon dodged fifteen hundred pickup.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what does he need a fifteen hundred, Sergeant Young, Well.

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Speaker 8: We're in a I have a pickup truck myself. We're

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Speaker 8: in we're in the West and pickup trucks are a

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Speaker 8: very good utility vehicle. You can go camping with them,

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Speaker 8: you can drive in luxury. You know, they seat five

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Speaker 8: to six people, and they're pretty decent trucks. And when

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Speaker 8: you think about pickups, the fifteen hundred is the lower

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Speaker 8: end of the pickup class.

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Speaker 7: So I think it's a good family vehicle.

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Speaker 8: It's just what a you know, a strapping young man

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Speaker 8: like Matthew Johnson would drive, would be a pickup truck.

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Speaker 8: That's my deal truck.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering because I thought a Dodge fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred was heavy duty. He is special What exactly does

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Speaker 2: that mean in this scenario?

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Speaker 1: Why was he special ops? What does that entail for him?

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Speaker 8: He received training and I guess he was deployed, you know,

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Speaker 8: several times overseas on the warrant.

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Speaker 2: Terror Sergeant Young question, what did you put in your

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Speaker 2: plate to the public.

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Speaker 8: I asked our local affiliates in the press if they

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Speaker 8: would broadcast out that we're looking for a missing person

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Speaker 8: for Matthew Johnson. I put out his description where he's

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Speaker 8: lasting at the time frame, and then what you know,

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Speaker 8: a recent photo and his picture of his truck, and

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Speaker 8: then asked for the public's assistance. If they've seen him

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Speaker 8: is in contact with them, they will be able to

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Speaker 8: come forward. And we would like to resolve that missing persons,

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Speaker 8: would like to make it a found person case.

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Speaker 7: And so that's the information we put out.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray. Within seventy two hours before

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Gluedhill's husband vanishes into thin air, she texts her

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Speaker 2: dad demanding thirteen thousand dollars. No explanation, just I need

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Speaker 2: thirteen thousand dollars. Okay, But that's not all. A new

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Speaker 2: question surfaces in the Jennifer Glaedhill case. What happens to

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Speaker 2: the husband's life insurance payout? Because Gladhill is the sole

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Speaker 2: beneficiary of a half a million dollar Prudential life insurance

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Speaker 2: policy Matthew took out with her under suspicion of her

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Speaker 2: husband's death. Nobody yet Prudential is asking the court for

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Speaker 2: guidance on who should get the money. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: before we get to the money, can we talk about

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Speaker 2: the missing husband. When was the last time this loving

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Speaker 2: husband and father had been seen live?

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Speaker 9: Listen the last time Matthew Johnson is seen by someone

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Speaker 9: other than Jennifer Gledhill is three days before he's reported

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Speaker 9: missing at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors say they remember

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Speaker 9: seeing Johnson's truck in the driveway. The next day, Johnson's communications,

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Speaker 1: We're hearing a.

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Speaker 2: Lot about the truck. Isn't it true, Sergeant Gary Young,

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Speaker 8: Yes, no, I'm saying, yes, that's how they get to

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Speaker 2: We just saw the same scenario in the case of

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Speaker 1: There was an all out search for.

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Speaker 4: Listen ten days after Matthew Johnson is reported missing. His

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Speaker 4: Neighbors say they last saw the truck on the day

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Speaker 2: Very curious none of his belongings in his truck.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you expect something?

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you look in our minivan, you will

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Speaker 8: There was nothing in there that and indicat that he'd

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Speaker 7: And I have to correct that statement.

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Speaker 8: It was about block and a half, almost two blocks

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Speaker 2: And I'm very curious, Sergeant Young, if it's that close

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Speaker 8: The way it's it's positioned on the roadway. It's a

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Toby Woolson. He's a forensic biologist.

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Speaker 2: He's a bloodstained pattern analyst at No Slow Forensic Consultation,

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Speaker 2: formerly with Miami DADPD. Can I tell you never a

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Speaker 2: lack of business for a forensics expert at Miami Day Okay.

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Speaker 2: You can find him at no Slow Forensic dot com.

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Speaker 2: And he is an author of a book coming out

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Speaker 2: December thirteen, which is on my must read list.

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Speaker 1: I don't say that very often.

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Speaker 2: Toby called handbook a bloodstained pattern analysis.

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Speaker 1: Now that's going to be some good reading.

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Speaker 2: Toby Handbook a blood stained pattern analysis.

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Speaker 1: But what I want to talk to you about right.

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Speaker 2: Now, in light of your experience with the Department's Forensic

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Speaker 2: what would you have expected to.

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Speaker 1: Find in that Dodge fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 10: Well, it depends where the foul play occurred. If it

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Speaker 10: looking for any evidence of biological materials, most likely blood,

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Speaker 10: because it's not normal to find a lot of blood

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Speaker 10: the truck was used for transport, then the bed of

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Speaker 10: the truck becomes the area of high interest because it's

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Speaker 10: easier to put a body in the bed of a

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Speaker 2: That's why it's so critical that forensics check out the bed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're talking about a vehicle to Raymonds,

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Speaker 2: you to Chay, just the importance of a vehicle cannot

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Speaker 2: be emphasized enough.

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Speaker 1: Just let me throw off one example. Top mom Casey Anthony.

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Speaker 2: The mom the grandma opens the door, Okay, Sindy Anthony

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Speaker 2: WHOA and she tells nine one one. It smells like

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Speaker 2: a dead body. Okay, that smell emanating from the trunk

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Speaker 2: I've been to a lot of mercies, you never mistake

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Speaker 1: Ever. So, also in the trunk from which the dead body.

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Speaker 2: Smell is emanating is found a hair of baby Kelly,

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Speaker 2: two year old Kelly. Now it's identified through mitochondrial DNA,

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Speaker 2: which you and I know means DNA of the mother. Specifically,

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Speaker 2: that means that hair could only belong to three people,

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Speaker 2: her hair had been died blonde. It was not the

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Speaker 2: This was a pristine hair, no treatment whatsoever, a natural hair,

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Speaker 2: a child's hair. It was Cally's hair. And the trunk

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Speaker 2: that smelt like a dead body. Okay. That is why

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Speaker 2: a vehicle is so important. Agree, disagree, totally agree.

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Speaker 1: And also the positioning.

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Speaker 7: Of the vehicle in the case at bar.

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Speaker 6: That pickup truck is close to the scene of the crime.

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Speaker 6: That means somebody could have driven it there, hidden it,

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Speaker 6: quote unquote, and walked back to the scene of the crime.

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Speaker 7: I would all try might.

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Speaker 2: Just drive it off and burn it, like any self

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Speaker 6: I don't disagree with that, but I also say that

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Speaker 6: pick them up. Chuck, get in parked, and somebody get

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you just said something very telling, Judicay, you

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Speaker 1: So right there, you're saying walk back.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be within walking distance. Why would you

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Another issue? Hey, I'm sure you remember this. Like everybody

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Speaker 2: Tara Grinstead, Oh, my star's beautiful high school teacher just

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Speaker 1: Okay, how did that happen?

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Speaker 2: And the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny town in South Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I remember going through her house with her mother and

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Speaker 2: it looked like a little jewelry box. It was perfectly appointed,

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Speaker 2: But I noticed that her bed in her bedroom was askew.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever met one.

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Speaker 1: Of those people?

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Speaker 2: What do you call, doctor Chlobe Carmichael that everything has

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Speaker 2: to be exactly in the right place?

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Speaker 1: What is that? Anal compulsive? What is that?

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Speaker 11: It's an obsessive pass person and they are often considered

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Speaker 11: anal retentive as well. You just combined the terms though.

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Speaker 2: That's why I have you to correct me. So obsessive compulsive, yes,

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Speaker 2: So in a case like that, when you see something

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Speaker 2: And I looked at her mother and I said, why

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Speaker 2: I've never seen it like that before. Then I found

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Speaker 2: out this Sergeant Gary Young. I found out that Terra

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Speaker 2: Grin said also her coulion, she's an eat nick. She's

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Speaker 2: not crazy. Extended to her car. Have you ever met

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Speaker 2: those people? Their car still smells new after like three years,

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Speaker 1: She was like that with her car.

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Speaker 2: Her car, I believe it was white. There was mud

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Speaker 2: that's not right, that's not right. The seat, the driver's

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Speaker 2: seat was way back. There's no way she could have

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Speaker 1: If with a seat back that far.

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Speaker 2: In this guy's car, Matthew Johnson, Special Ops hebby.

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Speaker 1: Where was his seat when the vehicle.

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Speaker 8: Was located and towed to our evidence processing? It was

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Speaker 8: It was left in the same position as founded and

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Speaker 2: A Dodge fifteen hundred pickup truck hidden in plain sight.

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Speaker 2: A Special Ops dad goes missing. Then we find out

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Speaker 2: Mommy makes a huge where is the missing dad?

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Speaker 1: Who are these people? Listen?

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Speaker 9: Matthew Johnson fifty one and Jennifer Gludhill, forty one, welcome

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Speaker 9: three children, now eleven, seven, and five. During more than

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Speaker 9: worth nearly a million dollars. Matthew Johnson is still active military,

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Speaker 9: serving as a National Guardsman. In the Special Option, in

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we discover you Tah Mom, Jennifer

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Speaker 2: Gladhill not only demanded thousands of dollars from her dad

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Speaker 2: via text just before her husband disappears, that a battle

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Speaker 2: insurance policy. Right now, Prudential is saying, we're just going

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Speaker 2: to give the money to the court and let you

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Speaker 2: figure it all out. They don't want any part of

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Speaker 2: this dogfight. After reading court document, Silarm Prudential agrees that

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Speaker 2: money's got to go somewhere, either Gledhill or the couple's

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Speaker 2: minor children who were not listed as beneficiaries.

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Speaker 1: The company's problem.

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Speaker 2: Is if they pay the wrong party, they could face

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Speaker 2: legal problems later. Like then they have to pay the

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Speaker 2: right party after the wrong party. He's already spent the

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Speaker 2: half a mill They don't want to pay half a

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Speaker 2: million dollars two or three times?

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Speaker 1: Do you blame them?

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Speaker 2: But back to the facts of Thomas's disappearance.

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Speaker 12: Cottonwood Heights pded search for Matthew Johnson, aware of the

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Speaker 12: Gledhill says she is afraid of Johnson, claiming Johnson has

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Speaker 2: Really so, she claims he's been violent toward her in

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Speaker 2: the past, But that is not what a judge said.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 12: Seven weeks after Jennifer Gledhill files for divorce, Gledhill files

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Speaker 12: for a protective order against t Johnson. A temporary order

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Speaker 12: dismisses the order. The judge says the evidence shows Gledhill

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go through a lawyer that has handled plenty

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Speaker 2: of similar disputes, Raymond Judice. What does all of that mean?

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Speaker 2: That is in civil court, not my arena. But I

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Speaker 2: know this. She goes for a tro temporary restraining order,

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Speaker 2: and the judge won't do it.

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Speaker 2: He says, the evidence shows that she is confrontational, not him, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: The standard procedure is that when as someone who feels

441
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Speaker 6: they were abused goes to the courthouse, in a civil

442
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Speaker 6: court clerk's office, they apply for a temporary protective order,

443
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Speaker 6: temporary restraining order, same thing that is all atomatically granted

444
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Speaker 6: right then and there with an emergency hearing set in

445
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Speaker 6: front of a judge as quickly as possible, generally within

446
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Speaker 6: a few days. That is the hearing that we're referencing

447
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Speaker 6: where the judge took evidence from both sides, allegedly reviewed

448
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 6: text messages and some videotape and testimony, and that judge

449
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Speaker 6: found that there wasn't enough evidence to grant a permanent

450
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Speaker 6: protective order restraining order, and he dismissed the temporary restraining

451
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Speaker 6: protective order against.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson you today, have you ever been in court

453
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Speaker 2: and the lawyer for the other side introduced to something

454
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Speaker 2: and you're sitting there going, oh, mustars, that helps.

455
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Speaker 1: Me, and it totally backfires.

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Speaker 2: And that is why you better practice every in court demonstration,

457
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Speaker 2: have every prop have every poster or every piece of evidence.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to say it doesn't fit?

459
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven talking about the SIPs and glove,

460
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Speaker 2: he put it over two.

461
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Speaker 1: Singers and went, Okay, it won't fit. And what were

462
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Speaker 1: they gonna do?

463
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: Chris Darden russell them in court and make it go

464
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: down over his hand that said, never ever play anything

465
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Speaker 2: or bring in evidence that you haven't tested yourself. Because

466
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: when this wife, Jennifer Gladhiel brings in the video to

467
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: show the judge why she should get the house and

468
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: the money and the children in this tro like kick

469
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Speaker 2: Kim out of the house, he goes, Lady, that doesn't

470
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Speaker 2: really help you.

471
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Speaker 4: Listen to this video and text messages are gathered as

472
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: proof in Gldhill's fight for a permanent order. One video

473
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 4: shows Johnson cleaning up glass from a broken family photo.

474
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: His demeanor calm. Court Commissioner Russell Minus denied the permanent order,

475
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: determining there was no abuse. He describes the couple's relationship

476
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: as highly dysfunctional, adding both parties were equally confrontational and

477
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Speaker 4: that Gluhill did not exhibit any fear of Johnson The

478
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Speaker 4: commissioner said, the request for a restraining order appears to

479
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Speaker 4: be a litigation tactic in the pending divorce.

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Speaker 9: Matthew Johnson has been missing five days when Coinwood Hides

481
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Speaker 9: PD gets a call from a friend of Jennifer Gludhill's.

482
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Speaker 9: The friend claims Gluhill called before reporting Matthew missing, giving

483
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Speaker 9: a very different version of events, a.

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Speaker 2: Very different version of events. What she changes her story?

485
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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, she changes the story.

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Speaker 2: And based on that very different version of events, the

487
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Speaker 2: dominoes start falling, yacking, talking, gossiping. Why did she call

488
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Speaker 2: her friend and give a different version of events?

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Speaker 1: What happens next? Listen?

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Speaker 9: Conwood Hights PD execute a search for in at the

491
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Speaker 9: couple's home. Cops confirmed the suspicion that Gludhill replaced the

492
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Speaker 9: mattress in their master bedroom, the new one arriving three

493
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Speaker 9: days after her husband's disappearance.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, your husband goes missing, a new order, a

495
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Speaker 2: new mattress. Doctor Chloe Carmichael, I find that very unusual

496
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Speaker 2: at a time when you need to be scouring the

497
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Speaker 2: whole county trying to find your husband, pouring out her

498
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Speaker 2: credit cards and ATM transactions to try to find him.

499
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Speaker 2: She goes, Wow, I've got a lumpy mattress. That doesn't

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Speaker 2: make sense, doctor Chloe.

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Speaker 11: No, I would agree, Nancy. And moreover, if they had

502
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Speaker 11: a pending divorce, then you know, people are usually thinking

503
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Speaker 11: more about trying to kind of get rid of things,

504
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Speaker 11: not you know, buy new things when there's likely going

505
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Speaker 11: to be a move happening. Also, it sounds like maybe

506
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Speaker 11: what psychologists call impression management, when a person you know,

507
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 11: goes out of their way to try to frame the

508
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 11: other person as as a victim, or rather frame the

509
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Speaker 11: other person as the aggressor and frame themselves as the victim. So,

510
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 11: you know, she's producing these videos and whatnot, but they

511
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 11: don't actually show anything incriminating, and there's a lack of

512
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 11: any real evidence on her part of you know, injuries

513
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Speaker 11: or bruising or anything like that. I also find it

514
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Speaker 11: unusual that she would not tell the police proactively if

515
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Speaker 11: there had been some sort of a conflict. You know,

516
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Speaker 11: if she was calling to make a second report about

517
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Speaker 11: a conflict, why would she not have just told him

518
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Speaker 11: everything she knew to say, Look, we had a fight,

519
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 11: maybe he ran away, Please go try to find him.

520
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 11: So the fact that she's withholding information and then changing

521
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Speaker 11: her story and then possibly making you know, private statements

522
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Speaker 11: to somebody else. She's not appearing like a consistent witness here.

523
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining US, Cottonwood Heights PD. Sergeant Young,

524
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Speaker 2: I remember the horrible moment, and it only lasted about

525
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Speaker 2: five minutes. Max I was in a giant babies or

526
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Speaker 2: us and I turned around and I had my daughter

527
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: was still standing there, but my son was gone. He's

528
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: only two and a half three. I picked her up

529
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: like football and started running, screaming bloody murder to lock

530
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Speaker 2: the front doors and the back doors because my son

531
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Speaker 2: was missing. I didn't think about ordering any mattress in

532
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Speaker 2: that moment. I didn't gather my things that I had

533
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Speaker 2: already put in the cart for them and casually stroll

534
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: up front and start check out. Doctor Chloe was really

535
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Speaker 2: calm in her answer. But I find that crazy odd

536
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Speaker 2: that she, while her husband is missing, orders an nee mattress.

537
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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother.

538
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Speaker 8: You, No, that doesn't bother me because UH been married

539
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 8: for thirty years, and if we make a purchase like

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Speaker 8: a mattress, that's a husband and wife decision, and that

541
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Speaker 8: may take a couple of days or visits because You're

542
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Speaker 8: going to be a couple thousand dollars in a mattress,

543
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Speaker 8: So that would that's not a normal every day or

544
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Speaker 8: for the moment, you know, President's Day mattressself kind of thing.

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Speaker 7: I would think that they had have spoken about her.

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Speaker 8: It wouldn't take place during a crisis such as your

547
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 8: missing husband.

548
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: When you and your coworkers execute a search warrant, Sergeant

549
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: Gary Young, what if anything did you find in the home.

550
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Speaker 8: Ideally we're going to find physical executing a warrant, we

551
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 8: would like to have any evidence of the crime, hopefully

552
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 8: blood or other bodily fluids.

553
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Speaker 7: That would be the ideal situation that we would be

554
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Speaker 7: able to find.

555
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Speaker 2: That. Isn't it true that blood was found on the

556
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: slats beneath the knee mattress and a large bloodstain on

557
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: the carpet below the bed. The room looked as if

558
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Speaker 2: it had been meticulously clean.

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00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Jennifer Gladhill.

560
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Speaker 2: You toll mom whose husband suddenly vanishes into thin air,

561
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Speaker 2: demanding thousands of dollars thirteen thousand dollars to be exact

562
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Speaker 2: from her father within seventy two hours or her husband

563
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: disappearing This is seventy two hours before her husband disappears.

564
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: Now we learn a life insurance policy battle is brewing.

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Speaker 1: This is the deal.

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Speaker 2: If the money's paid to Gledhill and she's convicted, her

567
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: children would be able to make a legal claim to

568
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Speaker 2: get that money themselves, and she would have already spent

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Speaker 2: it on legal fees.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, if.

571
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Speaker 2: It's paid to the children and she's acquitted, then she

572
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: can sue for the money to be returned to her.

573
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Speaker 2: So they're looking right down the wrong end of a

574
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Speaker 2: barrel to the tune of about at one point five

575
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: million dollars. But that's Prudential's problem. My concern is what

576
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: happened to Gledhill's husband. Matthew help me, Toby, explain what

577
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: we're saying.

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Speaker 10: Well, when there's signs of a cleanup, which is the

579
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Speaker 10: bleach and the cleaners, it should be curiosity. Especially in

580
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Speaker 10: a bedroom. You know there's so many things in there

581
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Speaker 10: that will retain evidence. The mattress is nothing more than

582
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 10: a big sponge, so cleaning in that is virtually impossible.

583
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Speaker 10: In my opinion, I've never seen anyone successfully clean a

584
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 10: mattress because you may get it most of it off

585
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 10: the surface, but there's going to be plenty inside, and

586
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 10: then if there's enough blood, sufficient blood that it bleeds

587
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 10: through the mattress and ends up down on the slats

588
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 10: supporting it and the carpet underneath. Again, you're working trying

589
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 10: to clean away something that's very porous, So the slats

590
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 10: usually are wood. They're going to absorb the blood, so

591
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 10: it's going to be difficult to get it out of

592
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Speaker 10: the wood. But the carpet is a bigger factor. I've

593
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 10: found in many of the cases where I've gone looking

594
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 10: for a cleanup, carpeting is where we find it because

595
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Speaker 10: they may clean the surface so that you can't see

596
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Speaker 10: the blood, but there's this pad under the carpet that

597
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 10: actsually a sponge also, and you can just peel a

598
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 10: carpet back fine blood frequently weeks if there's a large

599
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 10: volume weeks after the event that's still wet. So there's

600
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Speaker 10: many places in this setting that would be potentially harboring

601
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 10: blood clean up. The other thing is is that when

602
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 10: people clean up crime scenes, they're not blood experts, and

603
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 10: they clean up what they visually see. They miss the

604
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 10: small stuff. So when I go into process a crime

605
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 10: scene and look for blood. I'm using whatever methodology usually

606
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Speaker 10: visual to lead me to the areas they've missed. So

607
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 10: there's a lot of things here that would have applied.

608
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Speaker 10: And the replacement of the mattress would be a key

609
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 10: piece of interest, because you know, knowing that you're not

610
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 10: going to get the blood out of that mattress, you

611
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 10: know you've got to replace it. It's just, especially with

612
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 10: the volumes of blood you're talking about here, If there

613
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 10: was enough blood to bleed through and get to the

614
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 10: areas under the mattress, that mattress had to be very.

615
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 12: Saturated Bloodhill's friend recounts to police what Bloohill openly admitted

616
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Speaker 12: the before reporting her husband missing. Gledhill shot Johnson in

617
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 12: the head while he slept, then buried his body in

618
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Speaker 12: a shallow grave. Gledhill revealed the approximate location of the grave,

619
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Speaker 12: telling her friend she's trying to determine next steps.

620
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Speaker 1: Next steps? Is that what it's called?

621
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Speaker 2: Okay, So, Ray, how does her gossiping to her friend

622
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Speaker 2: fit into your scenario? Why does she have to call

623
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Speaker 2: the friend and tell the whole thing and now she's

624
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: trying to figure out next steps?

625
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 6: Well, that certainly shows after death behavior But what the

626
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 6: defensive battered women's syndrome is is everything that leads.

627
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 7: Up to the homicide is a homicide.

628
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 6: But why why is there enough evidence of abuse sufficient

629
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Speaker 6: that a judging jury would say, we understand what she

630
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 6: did her behavior after that. Okay, that's a different argument.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's helpful, Don't get me wrong. You

632
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 6: would rather not have as a defense lawyer that kind

633
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 6: of a text message, and that friend who's going to

634
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 6: testify for the state obviously come into evidence. But you've

635
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 6: got to come up with a defense unless you argue

636
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 6: it was a third party, a burglar, somebody else, or

637
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 6: a lover. And I don't see anything right now that

638
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 6: would support that as your primary defense.

639
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So bottom line, you got to go somewhere. What

640
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: are you going to do.

641
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: You've managed to get your husband's blood all over the

642
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: slats under the bed.

643
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: You're basically busted, unless you.

644
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: Want to blame it on the five year old for

645
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: trying to do a cleanup.

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Speaker 1: Of the carpet.

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00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 2: You heard what Toby Wilson said, when they go under

648
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Speaker 2: that carpet.

649
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: The lord only knows what they're going to find under there.

650
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: But this is not the first time we would see

651
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: a wife meticulously planning a murder. Does the name Corey

652
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: Richins ring a bell also known as moscow mule? Mom?

653
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: Listen?

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Speaker 13: Police find Eric Richins dead on his bedroom floor. According

655
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Speaker 13: to court documents, Richings and his wife, Corey, we're celebrating

656
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 13: a business accomplishment. The night he died, Police say Corey

657
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Speaker 13: claimed she made him Eric a moscow mule, which he

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Speaker 13: drank in the bedroom. They say Corey told authorities that

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Speaker 13: she left to help one of their children and returned

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Speaker 13: to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,

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Speaker 13: that she noticed Eric was called to the touch and

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Speaker 13: called nine to one one.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Emily U, the so called draino wife.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 9: Radiologist Jack Chin says he noticed a chemical taste in

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Speaker 9: his drinks, so he set up a hidden camera in

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Speaker 9: their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife you you

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Speaker 9: allegedly taking dreno from under the sink and pouring it

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Speaker 9: into his lemonade. On three separate instances. A doctor diagnoses

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Speaker 9: Chin with two stomach alsters, gastritis and esophagus inflammation. Hidden

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Speaker 9: video is enough for cops and the forty five year

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Speaker 9: old dermatologists is placed under arrest for trying to poison

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Speaker 9: her husband.

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Speaker 2: And what's so interesting about that case is this woman, who,

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Speaker 2: as I recall, was a doctor herself. As caught on

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Speaker 2: the the husband gets suspicious when his stomach becomes inflamed,

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Speaker 2: and he posts video cams all around the kitchen and

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Speaker 2: the home. You see her on video going over to

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Speaker 2: the kitchen cabinet and reaching in. He wisely set up

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Speaker 2: a camera inside the kitchen cabinet and you see her

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Speaker 2: hand reach in and get the draino and pull it out,

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Speaker 2: and then she doctors his morning drink. Okay, Doctor Chloe Carmichael,

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Speaker 2: joining us clinical psychologist, explain what's happening in these scenarios.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Well, especially with our current situation, I look at

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Speaker 11: what psychologists call grandiosity. So you had ask how it

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Speaker 11: could be that she could think that she could just

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Speaker 11: literally clean this up out of the carpet, and if

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Speaker 11: it is true that indeed she took it into her

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Speaker 11: own hands to just murder her husband, right there, we

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Speaker 11: have an element of grandiosity.

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Speaker 1: And once you've.

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Speaker 11: Done an act like that, or even are preparing to

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Speaker 11: do an act like that, more than likely, unless you're

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Speaker 11: a total psychopath, you would have what psychologists call hot cognition,

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Speaker 11: so you know, your mind is kind of supercharged, and

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Speaker 11: maybe you're not even thinking super clearly, and so that

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Speaker 11: might be why you know, she could do something like

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Speaker 11: that without really thinking it through. But again, I'm looking

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Speaker 11: at the grandiosity possibility, the idea that she would think

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Speaker 11: that she could just you know, make these videos and

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Speaker 11: paint him a certain way and paint herself a certain

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Speaker 11: way and then maybe potentially go murder him and confide

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Speaker 11: in a friend and think it would never come back

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Speaker 11: upon her. There's there's a real egoism there if all

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Speaker 11: of that is true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennifer Scotski joining me, investigative reporter, Jennifer. I'm always

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Speaker 2: amazed that killers will speak to their compadres, their cohorts,

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Speaker 2: not even co defendants, and expect them to keep quiet.

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Speaker 1: That's always been so bizarre to me.

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Speaker 2: That you murder someone, in this case, murdering him in

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Speaker 2: his sleep, so that's not self defense, telling friends about it,

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Speaker 2: expecting them to be in on your secret.

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Speaker 11: Yes, Nancy, it's definitely a case of that would be

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Speaker 11: a great example of grandiosity, that she could do something

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Speaker 11: like murder and then confide in a friend and as

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Speaker 11: you said, expect that the friend would just obey her instructions,

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Speaker 11: you know, to keep this, you know, murder confession quiet Essentially,

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Speaker 11: that would definitely speak to a grandiosity or kind of

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Speaker 11: a fuzzy connection with reality and social norms and what

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Speaker 11: she could expect from people.

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Speaker 1: What about it, dinnerfer Skouski.

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Speaker 5: Now, just to me, just looking at all of this,

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Speaker 5: who it sounds like your classic dumb killer. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it seems that she just didn't think at all. I mean,

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Speaker 5: who buys a new mattress after who goes to their

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Speaker 5: friend and says I did this? Or confidential informant as

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Speaker 5: they're calling this person?

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Speaker 1: Who does that?

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Speaker 5: Nobody with the same normal mind is ever going to

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Speaker 5: think they're going to get away with Mark the way

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Speaker 5: that miss Jennifer has tried to do thus far.

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Speaker 2: And of course I want you to take a look

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Speaker 2: at the classic black widow. Dahlia Dippolito offers a hitman

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Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars to kill her husband. She sets up

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Speaker 2: an alibi for herself in their early morning hours, where

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Speaker 2: she says she's going to the gym. The hitman would

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Speaker 2: go in the home and kill her husband. Unbeknownst to her,

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Speaker 2: of course, she has done a deal with an undercover

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Speaker 2: surveillance officer. This is her when Ellie law enforcement come

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Speaker 2: to tell her her husband is dead. Little do they

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Speaker 2: does she know this is all part of a sting.

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Speaker 1: So watch Dahlia Dipoleted. Watch out, Meryl Street, She's coming

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 7: Is your husband Michael? Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man,

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Speaker 7: he's been chilled. He's been killed, Tod.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we need to get you to state.

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Speaker 7: We need to get.

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Speaker 1: I can't look man. We have to do our job.

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Speaker 8: If you want the finest pillera we need you to

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Speaker 8: calm down.

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Speaker 7: I need you to do with thes okay.

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining us from Cottonwood p D. Where

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Speaker 2: is the search? Where did she allegedly stay she buried

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Speaker 2: her husband?

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Speaker 8: Are still looking for the deceased and we weren't given

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Speaker 8: a specific location. We have put out about twenty five

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Speaker 8: warrants now for cell phones, computer history. We're still following

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Speaker 8: up on all our leads, trying to get the best

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Speaker 8: known location. I mean, be a needle haystack to just

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Speaker 8: randomly go drive around and look for a place. We're

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Speaker 8: still trying to narrow that down, and several leads we've

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Speaker 8: looked into that haven't been very fruitful, and so we're

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Speaker 8: still exploding that electronic information trying to gain a better

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Speaker 8: location on where we should focus our search.

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Speaker 1: And where is Jennifer Gledhill. Now listen.

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Speaker 12: Jennifer Gledhill is arrested outside her home nine days into

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Speaker 12: the search for Matthew Johnson on suspicion of murder and

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Speaker 12: tampering with evidence. The couple's three children have been placed

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Speaker 12: in the care of a relative, as Gledhill has been

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Speaker 12: denied bail. Gledhill will remain in the Salt Lake County

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Speaker 12: Jail due to fears she will further tamper with evidence

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Speaker 12: or flee based on the comments she made to her friend.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything regarding the

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Speaker 2: disappearance of this husband and father, Special Ops Hubby Matthew Johnson,

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Speaker 2: please dial eight zero one eight four zero four thousand,

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Speaker 2: repeat eight zero.

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Speaker 1: One eight four z zero four thousand.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,