WEBVTT - Ep. 47: Volatile Organic Cherry Hot Dogs 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.560 Maybe don't drape a beach towel over your head and 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.960 ugh dad's tackle box for forty five minutes. The people 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:16.320 who were behind the pyramids like some Egyptian pharaoh or something. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.239 I don't go with that. I told the stick is 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.520 stupid fast tournament where the sun don't shine. I ain't 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.960 no Kevin, damn Van. This isn't a barbecue. This is 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.760 a cookout. I'll see any ribs. I don't see any 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.960 pork shoulder. I don't see any brisket. You're not barbecue 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.440 and ship, you're just cooking outside. Good morning, degenerate anglers. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.239 Welcome to Bend, the podcast that may be hosted by 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.519 a couple of Yankees, but still knows the difference between 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.040 a cookout and a barbecue. I'm Joe Surmelli Miles Maulty, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.239 and I did not know the important distinction between those 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.960 two until until I spent a few years living with 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.800 a buddy from North Carolina that I suggested we should 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.320 have a barbecue. It's a fight people over barbecue. And 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.400 when I came home from the store with you know, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.240 like a pack of buns and started frosting hamburger meat, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.320 he lost his mind. Dude just straight up late and 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.600 he's like, this isn't a barbecue, this is a cookout. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.640 I'll see any ribs, I don't see any pork shoulder, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.880 I don't see any brisket. You're not barbecue and ship, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.160 you're just cooking outside. Yankees think Southerners are ignorant, but 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.320 you mother don't even know the difference between a barbecue 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.720 and a cookout. And I never made that mistake. Again, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.959 is that exactly what he said? Because that him, he was, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:38.280 he was, He's a fiery man right now. Credit to you. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.920 I like, I like your work. I'm a fan of you. Anyway, Look, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.240 consider consider that a public service announcement for all you 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.320 out there planning on dropping some dogs and some patties 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.240 on the grill for an upcoming holiday. Uh, if you, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.520 if you care about precise language, and we certainly do, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.080 that's a cookout, right, And I think cookouts are what 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.800 make Fourth of July, other than Thanksgiving, it's the most 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.760 food centric holiday we celebrate, and it's, if you think 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.840 about it, right, it's the only one where you're expected 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.000 to cook outside. Like you just can't have Fourth of 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:13.240 July meal cooked indoors. It doesn't work it. If it's raining, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.080 just cancel it. Yeah, no, I that's a good point, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.160 because it is absolutely a food holiday, but unlike some 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:24.920 other ones, it's it's like a it's a completely unpretentious holiday, 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.280 right you can you can get away with just dropping 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.560 some tubular meat over a bed of too hot coals 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.040 and burning the ship out of them and then squeeze 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.760 them into a musty Franze's bun with some French mustard 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.480 and no one's gonna complain, Like that's what they expect, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.520 you know what I mean. Or if you want to 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.639 totally up to you, you can start smoking a brisket 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.359 the night before over like your proprietary blend of fruit 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.040 wood and obsessed about a three degree temperature difference, right 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.200 and and then and then turned out, you know, you 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.000 end up with your sliced meat masterpiece and people will 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.120 be like, damn, that's good, hand another beer. They won't 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.320 make a big deal out of it. It's it's the 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.440 food holiday without expectation or judgment exactly. And you just 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.680 hit on why I tend to go the cookout route 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.320 on the fourth and like the core answers, because I 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.519 just want to relax and enjoy myself right, And look, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.919 I love smoking meats. I love smoking briskets as much 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.560 as the next guy. But I tend to do that 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.079 like during the week, like on a random week day 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.960 when there's no pressure, because every time I've gotten psyched 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.680 up on a brisket, like for a party, by the 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.440 time it's done, I'm exhausted because I've been up since 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.520 five in the morning. I'm so tired of looking at it. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.120 I don't feel like eating it anymore. And I've just 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.000 spent the whole freaking day stressing that, like it wouldn't 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.160 be done on time, because if anybody out there does brisket, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.800 you got the briskets stall and you're like, oh god, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.120 the people are coming at six fifteen, push it, foil it. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.000 Oh my god, you just freaking yeah, And everybody's gonna 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:52.400 write me and be like, here's how you don't freak 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.720 out over a brisket. I've read all the ship. Okay, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.520 it's still every time it's stalls up. So I'm just 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.080 I'm down with burgers and dogs, preferably somebody else's house. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.160 If I'm being real honest, you just throwing the nerve 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.560 whistler around a bit, drinking some peepers, and that's my 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.600 kind of Fourth July party. Indeed, it is all about 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.320 having fun and uh and this story I'm about has 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.120 nothing to do with food, but it's probably it is 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.359 about fun. It's probably my favorite Fourth July story, So 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.919 one time you'll appreciate this. Years ago, my buddy and 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.200 I showed up to a fourth party thinking it was 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:26.440 gonna be like, you know, an adults let's get drunk 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.400 and do stupid things kind of party, you know that 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.480 that we were I don't know if we're still in 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.279 our twenties, but we were in that area, that that 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.760 area of life, that era, I should say. So we 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.920 were both wearing American flag speedos when we showed up 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.400 ready to go. But now, a wait, you've now admitted 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.320 this and that you dressed up like Orgasmo and Shoda boys, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.960 so like same by the way, same, How am I 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.480 not surprised? So we showed up in in American flags petos, 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.080 But it turned out that there were actually like a 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.640 bunch of kids, like people have brought their from this party, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.040 and we we tried to play like we played it cool, 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.120 but it was a little awkward, but it got really 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.240 awkward when I had a few beers and then I 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.560 decided to go charge of the slipping slide and it 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:12.880 was one of those It was one of the sliping 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.839 sides with the inflatable pools at the end, you know 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.200 what I'm talking about, and this chance of break in 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.880 your neck. You know, my parents always said, Yeah, I 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.920 hit the wall of that inflatable pool going like full 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.839 speed and it just ruptured. The whole thing just exploded. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.400 So in the end, not only was I the guy 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.360 who showed up wearing clothing that was more or less 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.280 inappropriate for children, I also broke the toy that all 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.920 the kids were like playing and having fun with. And 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.599 I literally made some of them crying. That was my 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.440 worst Fourth of July moment. And and and the parent 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.200 and me like sees the awkward and like the stomach 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.080 turn in that, but at the same time, like, you know, 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.040 that's kids. If you showed up at my house and 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.080 did exactly what you just described, my kids would have 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.400 two were awesome. They wouldn't have cried at all. They 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.000 already think you're awesome. They've met you, Like they don't 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.800 understand that crazy Jounkele Miles has everyone right is an 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.000 American show up to the party in the speeder. They 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.799 think it was great? So what's wrong with those kids? 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.600 They were wrong? Not you, and we are after all, 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.400 we're like, we're celebrating freedom this weekend. That's the whole point. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.479 And um, the other point is you are free to 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.200 make an ass of yourself in public, incorrectly call out 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.600 cookouts and barbecues what I would call them. Whatever you want, 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.159 Grill up the most elaborate or idiotically simple meal you 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.159 can imagine and serve it to your friends, or just 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.400 you could skip all of that and just go fishing. Um, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:33.840 and if you if you do that, I'd like to 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.919 add that you should carry at least one thirteen fishing 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.120 rod in rail with you because they also love freedom 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.040 and fishing that they do. And and on that point, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.680 though it's not the right season for it, did you 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.600 know that several of their ice fishing combos come in red, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.600 white and blue? But I actually was not because I 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.400 haven't done the ice thing with their stuff yet, So 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.920 it's it's I have several and I proudly use their 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.719 Wicked Patriot edition rod with the Freefall Ghost reel on 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.960 the hard Water, which was George Washington's personal setup that 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.160 he used at the Battle of Trenton. At least that's 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.120 what it says on their website. And you know, thirteen 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.520 Fishings website is just known for its historical accuracy and scholarship, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.080 so I believe it doesn't really say I'll re examine 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.440 the Washington crossing the painting it's stuck in there somewhere. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.080 It's it's one of the horses reins or something. Um. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.600 You know, I did not know that, but I am 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.560 aware of the glory that thirteen Fishing pours in all 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.640 their rods and reels. So maybe I'll bring one of 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.400 those patriots out with me if I go. If I 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.720 go fishing on the fourth, not because it's the best 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.160 tool for the job, but because fishing on the fourth 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:41.880 is all about just you know, having a good time. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.840 Amen to that, man, Amen to that. In addition to 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.360 an ice rod or two in the midsummer and a 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.040 cooler full of beverages, I've been known to bring some 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.280 brots and a mini grill. Right if I'm gonna go 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.480 fish on Penn's Day, just just to just to have 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.760 some serious fun. That's that's why I do it. I've 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.480 done that too, though I'm more of a hot dog 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.760 man than a broad worst kind of guy when it 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.400 comes to fishing, but for reasons that I'll explain later 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.720 in this very show. But but if I have any 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.000 actual fishing and advice for Independence Day, it's it's like, man, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.160 this is the weekend to not take what you do 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.720 too seriously and by all means, like, go fish this weekend. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.520 I probably will for a bit somewhere, but but you 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.400 just gotta set your expectations right, Like your favorite like 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.920 area of the back bay is going to be chopped 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.319 to hell by ski boats and jet skis, like retirees 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.199 and pontoon boats are gonna be out putt putting all 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.760 over whatever break you love the troll. You know it's 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.280 gonna be, which may be the worst in my opinion, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.360 just flotillas of tubes just going going down the river, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.240 so so thick that you won't be able to cast 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.040 between them. Um And you know, like most of any 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:49.760 other day of the year, any of those things might 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.680 might send you into a fury, but don't let it 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:56.240 not this weekend. I just I've learned to I try 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.120 to heed my own advice. I do most of the time. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.079 Just smile and wave and just like let it roll off. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.200 Because there there are times for serious fishing um, but 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.160 this it just it really isn't one of them. Don't 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.320 fight the inevitable. If you start getting piste, set down 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.760 the rod, like, kick off your crocs, grab yourself a 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.840 floaty and a couzy wrap beverage and just go with 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.720 the float go in the water with him, go tube 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.680 and kick some kid off a tube and you go 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.719 down with the float Tella. You know that that is 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:28.360 damn good advice, my friend. And I feel like you're 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.040 you're setting me up well because I feel like the 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:34.400 guests we have coming on next just he just is 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.679 that vibe. He embodies the vibe that you described. He's 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.720 a very laid back dude. He's a kind of guy 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.600 that you could you could chill with on a summer 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.840 day and calmly shoot the ship for hours. And unfortunately, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.240 because of the nature of the show, we didn't have hours, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.600 but we we did let the segment run a little 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.240 longer than usual because we we were just having such 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.040 a good time. I'm going in I can hold it. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.959 Joining us today for covering water. We've got the world 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.960 renowned chef host of boneappetites. It's alive and a way 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.480 cooler guy than Emerald Bradley is here. We thanks man 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.720 hell of an introduction, and they Emerald Emeralds, the stud man. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.520 Emeralds a pretty cool guy. Yeah, I know, I still 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.280 think you're cooler. I think we'll see. But look, it's 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.920 it's it's great to have you here. Of course, um, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:34.600 we didn't want you to just drop by because of 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.880 the culinary schools. You are also a very dedicated angler. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.640 And uh, seeing that we both threw up in Jersey, 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.720 we probably spent some time fishing some of the same water. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.920 So I'm curious, like what did growing up around here, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.600 Like what did you mostly do? What was your game 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.360 fishing as a kid Christian? As a kid, it was 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.400 freshwater and then with my dad, you know, getting into 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.040 a little bit of my dad as I get into 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.439 a little bit old, you know, so my my first 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.640 memories of salt water are is m my dad coming 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.760 back like when I was little, and like he literally 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.880 would have like plastic gallon drums and then just like 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.400 and have like thirty bluefish, and you know it's just 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.160 like hardy boat days. Yet boats you know, like you know, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.400 shout out to the nighthawk. I think that was the 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.560 one where n and uh and that and and then 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.520 he would bury him in the garden and we would 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.440 and he would, he would he we would smoke some 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.079 of them, you know. But like my where I'm at now, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.199 callinarily like far surpassed what my dad was doing was 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.080 blue s. Sure, But it's interesting you bring up blue 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.400 fish because one thing I've I've really noticed about your 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.080 fish cookery that I appreciate a lot. You've you've said 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.360 or mentioned that, like you're not a huge fan of 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.360 file aid fish or like that's not your first preference, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.560 and I see you cook a lot of whole fish, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.840 and you're really into steaking, like I've seen you steaking 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.440 blue fish, which is a style that has fallen out 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.360 of favor. Like you just don't see that many dudes 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.000 catching blue fish or mackerel or whatever and just staking 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.640 it out. So like that's kind of inspired me, Like 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.400 I want to try that more this season, Like you 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.880 just don't see that very much. Yeah, it's great. I mean, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.040 like the only steaks you really see, I mean, I 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.880 guess like a swordfish steak or or sometimes you'll see 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.079 like a salmon steak, right, but like blue fish is 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.520 perfect and like you know, before we even get into 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.360 like steaks, like no matter what fish it is, it's 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.920 all for me. The biggest difference in you know, making 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.440 it a junk fish or just a bluefish or some 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.320 whatever is how you know, if you treat it, if 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:28.920 you pull it up on the deck and it beats, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.760 you know, it beats itself up and it gets thrown 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.000 in the bucket, and you know it's just you treat 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.240 it like garbage. The meat is gonna come out that way, 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.960 so like killing it quick, bleeding it out, getting that 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.480 blood out as fast as possible, you know, it really 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:46.280 just it elevates that whole culinary experience, which is which 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.640 is just awesome. But yeah, but you have to answer 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.280 your question. The steaks you're pilating. I mean, it makes sense, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.200 and that's what you want to do for something like 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.080 the application of the dish that you're trying to find. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.640 But like I'm just tired of do just like throwing 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.520 rack in the water, you know what I mean, and 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.839 packing it with a knife, leaving you know, uh, three 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.760 quarters of an inch on up by the collar and 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.760 just like you know, just the body itself. I mean, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.240 I know, crabs eat it, whatever, Everything eats everything, you know, ocean, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.240 you know, the earth returns itself. But like, make stock 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.160 out of it if you're gonna play it, because man, 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.480 it's just it's it's so easy and it's just so satisfying. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.199 We talked about that recently, sort of not being lazy 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.320 and like I actually did that not long ago, like 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.440 bringing tall racks home, like making the effort to fish stock. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.360 You know. Yeah, Man, when I go, I'll bring a 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.640 little like depending on the knife I have, but I'll 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.080 bring a little hatchet or something that you're getting some 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.000 of them bigger fish to snap the spine real quick. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.880 You can fold it up right, wrap it up in 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.720 a garbage bag and put it in the cooler, go home, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:52.240 you know, you know, ten fifteen pounds whatever of the 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.360 best fish making stock, bones and heads, you could you 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.560 know forever. Yeah, And this is a topic, but I 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.240 gotta turned to it because I think one of the 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.840 things you mentioned, it's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.840 with fish that people don't think they like, right, because 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.520 if if they bring in a blue fish, whether it's 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.959 a blue fish or a white fish, or a freshwater drum. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.880 I don't care what your trash fish is for your 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.240 area if you people don't treat them the same way 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:17.839 as the fish that they think they love, Like they 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.680 treat their walleye really well, but that fresh drum just 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.800 gonna beat the ship out of it, and then that 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.120 ends up reinforcing their idea that it tastes like shit. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.000 So it's amazing how that goes. Those things you have 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.760 reverence for you treat well, funny, they taste good. The 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.600 ones you don't, they taste like ship. Yeah, I mean, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.640 yeah exactly. I think we'll said, man, I think the 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.960 you know, the perfect example, like is the bluefish or 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.440 something right where it's like I don't like blue fish. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.000 It's it's oily and mushy, and it's usually because of 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.840 like how you just described it, where it was just 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.400 kind of beat up and like, yeah, of course a 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.000 fish like that is going to go to hell if 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.000 you if you let it. When I was a kid, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.360 if you didn't have a cool if they just sell 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.400 you a dollar burlap bag, people just fell burlap bags 0:14:58.440 --> 0:14:59.760 tied to the rail and like they just put a 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.640 whole or lap bag a giant losing their trunk. Even 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.680 as a kid, I'm like, what do you do with that? 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.880 You know, Yeah, that's gonna be great. Yeah. But so 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.120 before we get started here on covering water, just just 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.560 a couple of the things I understand that you've you've 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.840 semi recently just like fully thrust yourself into the fly 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.760 fishing world. That's kind of news for you, exactly. Yeah, 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.080 So for about the past two years or so, um 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.320 just kind of picked it up. It all started with 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.240 a little trip with Yetti down to South Carolina and 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.680 Charleston and we're going out for red fish with a 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.760 couple of with a couple of folks and storm came 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.400 in the night before. It kind of blew it out, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.880 and you know, we were with some We're with some pros, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.800 you know, folks that knew how to get into into 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.360 the fish there, and no one cat anything. But I 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:45.000 picked up the hook. No I'm not a single fish 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.440 and and uh, you know, we have folks were flowing 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.680 and flowing in from Montana and Texas and ship you know, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.440 like some of the best stays five and no one 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.920 go ahead and uh, but that's fishing, right. So what 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.560 I did catches that you know that like love for 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.200 the as of the fly. Yeah, so well you also 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.240 you also did a much bigger thing, very recently, big thing. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.360 You took a big step in your angling. Tell us 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.440 what you did. Oh yeah, I caught himself a Grady 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:17.040 White man got you got boat, a boat, first time boat. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.120 And uh, you know my response was congrats and sorry, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.400 because that's what you say when somebody buys a boat. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.640 But it's a sleep great man, I think so, you know, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.840 I think it's gonna be super manageable. Um. It was 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.000 like it was kind of one of those things where 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.640 it's like I didn't need this boat right now, but 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.200 like it was if it made it to the market, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.240 it was gonna be gone. And you know it was 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.680 it was. It was a movie man. It was this 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.640 old guy who he had a boat that he fished 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.160 on and ran far and stuff, and then he had 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.920 this boat, the Grady White that he just puttered around. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.640 He went to the went to the bars and the 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.480 restaurants with his old lady, you know, and that was 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:02.520 just like his little no hours serve every year covered gorgeous. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.640 Yeah man, best of luck with that. So so we'll 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.800 get into covering water here and just this how this 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.200 is how we play. So Covering Water is our Q 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.600 and A session where for two minutes, we're gonna put 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.640 two minutes on the clock and we're just gonna rapid 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.680 fire questions at you. And the whole idea here is 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.600 to get through as many as we can in two minutes, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.320 which means you don't really have a whole lot of 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.280 time to think about your answer. But at the end 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.720 we promised to give you one minute to like back 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.360 pedal or expand on any answer that you're like, Man, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.400 that might have been a career ender or something I'm 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.600 good at avoiding. So let's uh, let's hit it, man, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.439 I'm gonna put two minutes on the clock. Miles I 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.320 will go first. Brad, are you ready to play? I'm ready, coach, Okay, 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.240 al right, here we go Covering Water with Brad. Leone 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:50.760 starts in terms of eating. What's the most overrated fish? 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:56.560 Most overrated fish? Ship man? Probably um uh ship I 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:01.000 don't know, no, none of them. Okay, what's the one 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:05.679 fish your most proud of having caught? Hell of it 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.880 up in Alaska? Just because it was you know, it's 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.520 far away and ship it was pretty cool? Popeye's or 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:16.639 KFC neither. Okay, all right, all right, can you explain 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.720 to me why does so many people like to eat 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:24.560 farmed trout because they're accessible and you know, I think 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.320 a wild trout usually gets a bad reputation for keeping 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.840 and the harder to catch. And I think, uh, I 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.120 think a good farm ranged If that's the thing, right, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.639 I think it's um, I support it. Okay. The best 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:45.479 boat snack is bananas. If you could go fishing with 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.719 one person living or dead, who would that be? Living 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:54.639 or dead? Sure? Uh, I don't know. I have to 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.400 come back to that one. That's a tough one. That's 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.479 that's a tough one. Okay. If you could only ever 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.920 target one species of fish here on app which would 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:09.520 it be? Maybe like, um, like mackerel? Interesting answer? Okay, 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:15.600 the Simpsons Family Guy or south Park? Oh they're both 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.840 really they're all great, man. I think I mean south 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.199 Park so well? Right, and then fine, I might have 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:25.240 to go Simpsons just as the classic because it's so good. Okay, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.080 you're from New Jersey, so I have to ask officially, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.919 is it pork Roll or Taylor Ham? It should be 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:36.359 Taylor Ham. Okay, but you're agreeing it's not. No, I know, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.560 I know, I'm sorry that came out wrong. I always 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.400 call it Taylor Ham pork roll is like some knockoff 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.680 ship that comes out right. I'm not Trent. I don't 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:49.159 know which which is the greater sin, under salting or 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:53.679 over salting over because over is unedible. If it's under, 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.159 I can still eat it. I'm just like, they come on, 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.960 what makes you feel more manly? Newdly catfish? Are working 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:06.080 on an Alaskan crab boat. More manly probably the crab boat. Okay, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.879 you got time for one more moss? Do you drink 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.359 before fishing, wall fishing, after fishing, or all of the above. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:21.600