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Speaker 1: no Kevin, damn Van. This isn't a barbecue. This is

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bend, the podcast that may be hosted by

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Speaker 1: a couple of Yankees, but still knows the difference between

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Speaker 1: and I did not know the important distinction between those

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Speaker 1: I'll see any ribs, I don't see any pork shoulder,

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Speaker 1: I don't see any brisket. You're not barbecue and ship,

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Speaker 1: you're just cooking outside. Yankees think Southerners are ignorant, but

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Speaker 1: is that exactly what he said? Because that him, he was,

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Speaker 1: consider consider that a public service announcement for all you

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Speaker 1: if you care about precise language, and we certainly do,

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Speaker 1: make Fourth of July, other than Thanksgiving, it's the most

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Speaker 1: hell of an introduction, and they Emerald Emeralds, the stud man.

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Speaker 1: starts in terms of eating. What's the most overrated fish?

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Speaker 1: Most overrated fish? Ship man? Probably um uh ship I

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Speaker 1: recently did. Um. But so we'll give you one minute.

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Speaker 1: Are there any of those questions you feel like, like

426
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Speaker 1: pick one that you want to sort of tell us

427
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Speaker 1: more about. One of those answers? Yeah, I guess it

428
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, if you could go fishing with

429
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: one person in time or alive or dead, you know,

430
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: like not my kids, not my dad or something silly

431
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like their years. So I think

432
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: I have to go someone dead. It had to be

433
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Speaker 1: like some deep like origins of life answers ship, like

434
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Speaker 1: you know, like the people who were behind the pyramids,

435
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 1: like some Egyptian pharaoh or something. You know, Hey, hey,

436
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: you're onto something. You're onto something with the Egyptians because

437
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: because if you read up in your your fly fishing history,

438
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: supposedly they did originally invent fly fishing. So I think,

439
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: whether you knew it or not, you just dug into

440
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: some super heavy ship right there. That's what I'm saying, dude,

441
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: like pre burning the libraries of Alexander's ship, you know,

442
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: like I want to know knowledge while we go fishing

443
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: some real o g talk. We've asked a lot of

444
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 1: people that question. That is by far the best answer

445
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: we have ever gotten to it ever. So did we

446
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming by for this? This has been

447
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: a really fun covering water and hopefully you'll come back

448
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: on again, man, because this has been a real blast.

449
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: Brad is a ton of fun man. But I'm gonna

450
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: say I was a little offended that he wouldn't answer

451
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: my fast food chicken question, Like I thought that was

452
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: a good question, Like yeah, like you're too good for

453
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: fried chicken. Come on, you eat some Popeye's or KFC,

454
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: like maybe you know, everybody does it. Man, don't be embarrassed.

455
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: But he so kind of redeemed himself with The Simpsons. Yes,

456
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's no question it's the Simpsons all the way.

457
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: That was the only answer that could have been accepted

458
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: in that particular scenario. Simpsons created the genre of over

459
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: the top comedic cartoons. Your show helped me when I

460
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: was going through chemotherapy. My favorite episode was when Homer

461
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: stays home from church. God damnit, he thinks what the Simpsons.

462
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: And while this show absolutely did not invent the genre

463
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: of presenting sometimes silly and sometimes pointing news stories in

464
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: the form of a contest without any actual prizes at stake,

465
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: in order to manufacture a sense of continuity and narrative structure,

466
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Speaker 1: we were the first ones to do it with fishing,

467
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: which means it's time for fish news. Fish news. That

468
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Speaker 1: escalated quickly. All right, I got one shout out today

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Speaker 1: that's going to go out to listener Tim Jariss. So

470
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Speaker 1: remember a while back we talked about how you associate

471
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Speaker 1: certain smells with fishing. Yeah, and I I talked about

472
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: that odd funk in my dad's old Plano tackle boxes. Well,

473
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Speaker 1: after that episode, a lot of you guys wrote in

474
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Speaker 1: to say you know exactly the funk that I'm talking about,

475
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: and and like just how nostalgic it is? Right, So Tim,

476
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Speaker 1: who is a scientist and registered environmental health specialists, also

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Speaker 1: wrote me on Instagram to say, I love that smell. However,

478
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Speaker 1: it is indeed a product of gas is given off

479
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Speaker 1: by the plastic in the lores, and it happens when

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Speaker 1: the tackle box is heated, right, which makes sense because

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Speaker 1: tackle boxes, what do they do? They sit out in

482
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Speaker 1: the sun. We store them in hot garages. Uh, And

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Speaker 1: and Tim's like, yeah, the thing is that gas is

484
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Speaker 1: what we science people call a volatile organic compound. So

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Speaker 1: other things that frequently give off volatile organic compounds include

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Speaker 1: petroleum fuels, hydraulic fluids, paint thinners, and dry cleaning agents.

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Speaker 1: So his point right, as as as nostalgic as the

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Speaker 1: smell might be, maybe don't drape a beach towel over

489
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Speaker 1: your head and huff dad's tackle box for forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: So great tip. Appreciate that with Tim also just wanted

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Speaker 1: to say we've been appreciating the influx of the Instagram

492
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Speaker 1: photos tag Generate Angler and Bent Podcast. We will be

493
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Speaker 1: posting the winner on our Instagram accounts tomorrow morning right

494
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: from our little our little giveaway here, and somebody's gonna

495
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: be rocking a new fish eating fish hoodie and t

496
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: very soon right. Also, keep your ears open because we're

497
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna be announcing an even cooler giveaway next week. And

498
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: if you subscribe to the Fishing Weekly newsletter, you'll hear

499
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: about it first. Anyway, that's it, that's all. That's all

500
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Speaker 1: the housekeeper I got. We'll get on with news here.

501
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Speaker 1: Remember this is a competition, Miles and I do not

502
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: know which stories the other guys bringing to the table.

503
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: At the end of it. Fill the engineer, we know him,

504
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: we love him. He will judge one of us. You

505
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: have the advantage of leading off this week, so do

506
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: I get. I get to start out, and I'm gonna

507
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: talk about a fish that doesn't get a lot of attention.

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00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: I'll just we like those, We like those kind of fish. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And if you if you have ever heard of skip

510
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Speaker 1: jack herring, you probably only know about them because they

511
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: make damn good catfish bait. Right, striper striper, striper striper

512
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: like them to landlocked stripers. Oh yeah, their status as

513
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: bait is really the only reason that anglers pay any

514
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: attention to these fish. Right. And as herring go, they're

515
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: pretty big, and they got their name because they have

516
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Speaker 1: a habit of jumping out of the water when they're feeding,

517
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Speaker 1: skip chipping yep. But like when when you see them,

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Speaker 1: if you have seen the most people, when you see them,

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00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: you just see like that's just in the big school

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00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: of silvery baitfish, indistinguishable from all the other schools of

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00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: silvery baitfish. Right. One thing I did learn on reading

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Speaker 1: up on this that some people refer to them as

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Speaker 1: Tennessee tarpin, and that kind of made I've never heard that,

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Speaker 1: You've never heard that I had, neither. Cool. It's like

525
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: Jersey tarpin with American chad exactly. Exactly Pertinent to this

526
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: story is, like I said, skip jack are are pretty

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Speaker 1: big for herring, so that's what make them a favorite

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00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: bait for people who are targeting trophy cats, especially blue cats.

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Speaker 1: A whole skipjack will get the attention of a big

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Speaker 1: blue but it's it's daunting for all the little channel

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Speaker 1: kittens who like to hoover a cut bait. In April,

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00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: Ethan Moss and a buddy went out fishing on the

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Speaker 1: Ohio River in search of big cats. But first they

534
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: needed to catch fresh bait, so they rigged up their

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00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: ultra lights and started fishing for skipjack. Now, Ethan and

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00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: his buddy, like most of us, just don't think much

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00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: about skipjack. But that's where that that was about to

538
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: change for him, and I would like to change everyone's mind,

539
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: because the fact is that these fish are actually far

540
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: more badass than than you know. Skipjack turn into predators

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Speaker 1: when they reach maturity, much like bass. They feed on thread,

542
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: finn shed, gizzard shed, and even other herring. One study

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00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: found that skipjack will go full on cannibalistic when times

544
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: get lean, and they can consume fish almost half their size.

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Speaker 1: Skipjack are native to most of the major rivers along

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Speaker 1: the Gulf, and they're highly migratory. They can go to sea,

547
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: but they don't have to. They do what they want.

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00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: It's up to them. It's their choice exactly. Skipjacker capable

549
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: of completing their entire life cycle without ever leaving a river,

550
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: but they might go to sea. Either way. They're gonna

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00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: move up and down that system to to find good

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00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: spawning habitat and sufficient food. They're all over the place,

553
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: and because they've never been much used to human skipjack

554
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: numbers have remained pretty steady, like they're in good shape.

555
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: But in the Mississippi their room to rome has been

556
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: significantly reduced by dams. The dams have it knocked these

557
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: fish out like they have other migratory species. They've just

558
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: contained them in the lower river. But here's the crazy

559
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: part about that, at least to me, The fact that

560
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: these fish can no longer make their way up to

561
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: the headwaters in Minnesota Wisconsin has spelled disaster for ebony

562
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: shell and elephant ear muscles. Even though the skipjack are fine.

563
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Both of those fresh water muscles are now listed as endangered,

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Speaker 1: and part of the reason is the lack of skipjack

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00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: up in the upper Upper River because in order to

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Speaker 1: reproduce those muscles, they released larva into the current, and

567
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: for those larva to mature, they have to attach themselves

568
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: to the gills of skip jack herring. Once theo and

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Speaker 1: once the damns blocked the passage of skipjacks, the muscles

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00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: lost their their their fish gild nurseries, and their populations

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00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: crashed all this is just to say skipjack are probably

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00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: more interesting than most of us ever realized, and they're

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Speaker 1: certainly more interesting than Ethan Moss and his buddy realized

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Speaker 1: when they got into a good school of them that

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Speaker 1: morning with the intention of catching themselves some good blue

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Speaker 1: cat bait. Moss told a local news outlet quote, we

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Speaker 1: started getting into them pretty good. I had actually got several,

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Speaker 1: and one of them was nineteen and change inches. About

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Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes later, I caught this one. I had

580
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: no clue. I thought he was a white bass or hybrid.

581
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Speaker 1: I flipped him over the wall and the guy fishing

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00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: next to be said, that's a state record, and indeed

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00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: it was. Though mosses from Ohio, he had crossed over

584
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Speaker 1: into West Virginia to go fishing, which was fortuitous because

585
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: Ohio doesn't recognize skipjack records, but West Virginia does. Break

586
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: The fish weighed three point one pounds and taped out

587
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: at nineteen point to one, well short of the world

588
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: record of four pounds, but pretty damn good for like

589
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: a bait by catch. Moss wisely decided to keep and

590
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Speaker 1: register the fish, and all that makes like a fun story,

591
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: right guy, catches bait turns in the state record, blah

592
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: blah blah. He understandably also wants to have it mounted.

593
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: But according to one story I found, this is where

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Speaker 1: the problem comes in. Moss is having trouble finding a

595
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: taxidermist willing and able to mount his fish because no

596
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: one makes body molds for skip jack. So the dudes

597
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: got the record but can't figure out a way to

598
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: get him out made. Oh man, Yeah, that's a deli

599
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: of a pickle, because I know some of like the

600
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: replica places have you can get like a you know,

601
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: flying fish or a bunk or something that goes in

602
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: front of your striper. But that's fascinating. Nobody has this.

603
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look, man, like freeze that thing. It might

604
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: cost you more money, but you poke around enough, you'll

605
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: find somebody who say, send me the fish, and I

606
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: will make the I will, I will make them. But

607
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: how much do you have you come around to loving

608
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: that skip chack? Do you love it enough to have

609
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: the moment? My next question quite simply, Miles Nulty catches

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00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: that fish, You're going through the process to certify it.

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00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: Jo sam Elli isn't exactly like dude. I mean, I

612
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: think it's I think that's cool and all. But hey,

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00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: if somebody said that's a state record, I'd be like, yeah, thanks, Bud,

614
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Like what do you know, Like, who's that guy? Right?

615
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: He's the guy right, he's do the other end of

616
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: the wall. He knows what's up. He's here every day.

617
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I know the process probably isn't quite

618
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: as as heavy as certifying an I g F A record,

619
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Speaker 1: But there's no way I'm going and like for what, Like,

620
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm going through all that trouble to

621
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: certify a shad. I'm just not doing it. Yeah, I don't.

622
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: I was about to say, like, I don't know, having

623
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: a really random record actually might be more fun to

624
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: me than you know, a state record small mouth with

625
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: my name actually on it, But I still don't think

626
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: i'd do it and do it just be fun to

627
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: be like, hey, that that right there? What is that?

628
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: That's a state record? Skip Jack? No dude, no, I

629
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: get that. And but I think it works if if

630
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: like you're just like a goofy dude that like you

631
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: make that your deal, Like I'm just gonna go out

632
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: and catch weird records, like I think that's cooler than

633
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: just accidentally catching the bait and it just happens to be.

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00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: We're not trying to take away anything away like that's

635
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. But I don't know. I wouldn't have

636
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: even thought about it. I wouldn't even thought about it. No,

637
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: I do, I do. I do very much appreciate the

638
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: backstory because I didn't know that much about skip jack Um.

639
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: It's fascinating though, like the American Chad here, they don't

640
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: ever eat, like it's all a reaction by but we

641
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: get Hickory shad too, and them suckers will chase down

642
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: some metal or a spinner like it's it's incredible how

643
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: much more aggressive they are. You can hook and line,

644
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: fly fish whatever and they'll charge something down. They'll chase

645
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: bed around with the American Chad won't. So it sounds

646
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: very similar. So that was that's it's nice to know

647
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: more about the skipjack Um. Only transition I have is, uh,

648
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: you said that they have no value. Maybe maybe some

649
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: people are already eating skipjack and don't know it. I'm

650
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: gonna start. I'm so glad that this is where okay,

651
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: because I have to it to be clear though, while

652
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: this story plays right into our little culinary angle this week.

653
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I did not want to cover it. I did not

654
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: want to do it, but I feel obligated because damn it.

655
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I listened to our listeners like we are your servants, okay,

656
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: and I've been so flooded with links to this that

657
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: I have caved and I will cover the subway tuned debacle. Okay,

658
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: chapter two of one of us has to do it,

659
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: so you know. I'll also add that I understand why

660
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: people are sending this because it certainly ties into past

661
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: stories we've covered about fake seafood, Like we've kind of

662
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: had a little beat going on that, So I I

663
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: get the connection. But I'm gonna take this in like

664
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: a whole other direction, right So for anyone that missed it,

665
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: I gotta start here. Back in January, two ladies from

666
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: California filed a lawsuit against Subway, claiming that they were

667
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: trying to quote capitalize on the premium price consumers are

668
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: willing to pay for tuna of their own accord. These

669
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: two ladies had samples of the subway tuna analyzed and

670
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: said the findings where that there was no trace of

671
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: tuna whatsoever in the tuna, but there was some shadiness

672
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: because apparently nobody could figure out like who they hired

673
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: to do the testing, like nobody named the lab right.

674
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: But while they say there was no tuna, they also

675
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: couldn't say what it was, and they were just kind

676
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: of claiming it was like complete mystery mixture meat made

677
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: up to look like tuna and have the mouth feel

678
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: of tuna. Right. So of course Subway went nuts and

679
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: defended themselves, saying that this is completely baseless. I remember

680
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: a few ago they ran that huge promo deal on

681
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: tuna subs, like it was like half off tuna subs

682
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: to entice people to take his wild call tuna right. Um.

683
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: But eventually the whole thing kind of went quiet. Well,

684
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: it has reared its ugly head once again, and this

685
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: comes from eat this, not that. And now a fresh

686
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: wave of testing is also suggesting Subway tuna is not tuna,

687
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: but once again can't seem to tell us exactly what

688
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: it is. So all this tuna horse ship like seemed

689
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: to go away. A reporter from the New York Times

690
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: was quietly researching it for the last six months, and

691
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: I love this she collected. This is what the story says.

692
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: She collected more than sixty inches of to the subs

693
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: they sell. Yeah, so she collected with the sixty inches

694
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: of tuna subs from l A Area subways and had

695
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: them shipped off to a lab, which interestingly, that lab

696
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: asked not to be named either, so we don't know

697
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: what lab that was either. Right. According to their analysis,

698
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: this is a quote, no amplifiable tuna DNA was present

699
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: in the sample, and so we obtain no amplification products

700
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: from the DNA. Therefore we cannot identify the species. The

701
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: spokesman from the lab offered a bit of analysis. There's

702
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: two conclusions, he said. One, it's so heavily processed that

703
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: whatever we could pull out we couldn't make an identification.

704
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: Or we got some and there's just nothing there that's tuna.

705
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: So clearly these people need a masspeck pen, which we've covered.

706
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: I'd love to know if they used one um and

707
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: all that aside. Okay, like that's all well and good,

708
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: but then what the hell is it? Like it has

709
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: to be something. I just want somebody to tell me

710
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: then what it is, Okay, So just I'm gonna quickly

711
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: just skim through a couple other pertinent details. They also

712
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: interviewed Peter Horn, the director of Ending a Legal fishing

713
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: project at the Pugh Charitable Trust, and he said it

714
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: can be tough to identify tuna. He says in the

715
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: defensive subway or quite a lot of these fishmongers. The

716
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: further you get the fish from the bone, the harder

717
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: it is to recognize what that fish is. Another point

718
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: of inter Inside Edition conducted a similar investigation. Their samples

719
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: came from New York City area subways earlier this year,

720
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: and all their lab tests found it all to be tuna.

721
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: They were like, it all came back tuna, no issue.

722
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: Finally yeah, So finally, according to Subway, the ladies that

723
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: started all this have abandoned their original claim that subways

724
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: tuna product contains no tuna. However, they filed an amended

725
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: complaint that now alleges their tuna is not one percent

726
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: tuna and then it is not sustainably caught skip jack

727
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: and yellow fin tuna. Okay, so I'm going to tell

728
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: you right now what a subway tuna hog actually is

729
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: because I know, okay, have you done your own independent

730
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: library search. Yeah, it's delicious, That's what it is. The

731
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: only sandwich I ever get from Subway. It's the only

732
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: sandwich worth getting there. I don't know. If I can't

733
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: argue with you, I totally agree. Right, A little pickles,

734
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: a little halpenos, a little Southwest sauce. Do you want

735
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: that toasted? No? I do not. I do not want

736
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: it toasted. I crave that ship, I crave tuna Subway.

737
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: And you will not be dissuaded by any of these findings.

738
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: Will not be dissuaded by any of these findings. And

739
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: for people who don't understand, you are going, oh really,

740
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: I liken it. It's like it's like Burger's, Right, when

741
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: you want a really good burger, Like you crave a burger,

742
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna make that at home, or you're gonna go

743
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: to that corner bar that makes a badass burger. When

744
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: you want a burger, you don't go to McDonald's. You

745
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: go to McDonald's because you feel like eating McDonald's. Like,

746
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: to me, it's different and sometimes like you just you

747
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: just want the trash, right, Like if I'm craving an

748
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: Italian HOGI I'm not going to Subway going to Bosco's Deli.

749
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: So a couple of thoughts in my opinion, right, right

750
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: out of the gate. If you ever truly assumed or

751
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: believe that the tunas some fifteen year old is slinging

752
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: with an ice cream scoop at the subway inside the

753
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: gas station where it was like high grade wild caught

754
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: yellow fin, Like you're crazy, You're you're nuts, Like that's

755
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: like believing burger King only uses wag you beef, you

756
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's subway, it's not noboo. Um.

757
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: And I mean, god dude, if the tuna is causing

758
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: this kind of stir, god forbid, they analyze the meatballs

759
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: like lord knows what's in those? Right, actually meat the

760
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: tuna is is herring? I don't know. Yeah, And I

761
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: I just have to assume. I have to assume the

762
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: lawsuit is just a pure money grab because like, holy

763
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: hell d you're like who has this kind of time,

764
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Like like you have so little to do, in my opinion,

765
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: and like so little do with money you can go

766
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: all in and fighting about a tuna sandwich. Um. And

767
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I'm convinced. I'm convinced it's more

768
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: publicity stunt than you may be, right, but here's what

769
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: I think. I think. And because if do you remember

770
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: some years ago there was a big blow up in

771
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: the media that like there's plastic in the in the

772
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: bread for subway. Yeah, and again I think that like

773
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: when that got it made a bunch of headlines and

774
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: then people like, well, no, it's not plastic, it's just

775
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: not high quality bread ingredience. And what I think this

776
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: is here's what I think. I think that people who

777
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: consider themselves health conscious look at Subway as their fast food,

778
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: that it's like the healthy with you fast food. And

779
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: so when they actually find out some information that their

780
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: beloved healthy subway actually isn't like the bastion of goodness

781
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: they once thought it was in the anti McDonald's, they're

782
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: personally offended. That's what I think is going on. And

783
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: and that's all well and good, although I mean I

784
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: think that's silly. Like I agree, and I think like

785
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: if you're that person that is like super tuned into

786
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: like where your food comes from and what you're putting

787
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: in your body, like you should not be in the

788
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: subway unless you're just getting the salad with oil and oger,

789
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: Like it's still fast food, man, it's still you know,

790
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: um so I I don't know. I think I think

791
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just like a little bit loony. Um.

792
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: But you know the way I look at it, like

793
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: people eat hot dogs, loneing scrapple, like we eat all

794
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: kinds of mystery meat. I don't really see what the

795
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: difference is. Like whatever is in this tuna isn't causing

796
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: people to get sick or drop dead. They've been serving

797
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: it for decades, and like you said, you could tell

798
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: me it's common carp and gizzard, Chad, I'll still order it.

799
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Those things will probably be more sustainable. If we're talking

800
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: about sustainability, I'd pay extra for it, like carp. Good

801
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: on you something right now. I'll give you a bus sandwich.

802
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: So there you guys. You guys wanted the subway deal. Um,

803
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: I wish we had a promo code. I'll get you

804
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: guys half off a tuna sandwich exactly. The sponsor us. Well,

805
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: maybe after this they will we love you, Subway. I

806
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: think for me, the transition on this has to do

807
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: with something somewhat unnatural, melding into the world of nature.

808
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: It's it's a bad trans good try, it's good try,

809
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: It's fine, we can, we can, we can go on.

810
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna move on. This is not this is

811
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: not a groundbreaking story. This is not going to blow

812
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: any minds, but maybe we'll have some good conversation around it.

813
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've heard of of a painted turtle. Absolutely

814
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: see him all the time. Have you ever heard of

815
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: painting turtles? I can't say I have neither had I

816
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: neither had I until I came across what should be

817
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: an utterly unnecessary headline from CBS Boston that reads, do

818
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: not paint turtle shells. New Hampshire Fish and Game urges.

819
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: The story leads with a photo of a snapping turtle

820
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: whose entire shell has been painted hunter orange, you know,

821
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: for safety the photo. The photo was apparently taken at

822
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: a local pond where someone thought that snapping turtle needed

823
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: to look more like a road construction cone. New Hampshire

824
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Fishing Game actually had to write a post on Facebook

825
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: that I found to be deeply compassionate but also made

826
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: me fearful for the future of our species, not so

827
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: much the turtles. It said, do not paint turtle shells.

828
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: Often this is done with good intentions to make the

829
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: turtle more visible if crossing a roadway, but turtle shells

830
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: are living tissue, and paint toxins can not only get

831
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: into their bloodstream, it can also reduce their ability to

832
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: absorb sunlight and make them more visible to predators. I

833
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: struggled to believe that this was done with good intentions.

834
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: I don't I can't get there. And if it was,

835
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: that person doesn't understand nature or evolution at all. Well, look,

836
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: if just just based on the fact alone that the

837
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: paint is still on the shell, we're gonna assume that

838
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: was crylon. Okay, like not like your kids freaking single

839
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: paints because that would have washed right off, or or

840
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: like you know, Tester's model paint or something like that.

841
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: But it was some serious paint. If you're gonna paint

842
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: a snapping turtle, right, it ain't gonna sit there while

843
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: you brush it. Whoever did just buy the freaking parking

844
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: cone colored crylon and tag that some bitch. It's awful.

845
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: It's awful. It's awful, And and when I read it,

846
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I just assumed that this was just an awful, idiotic,

847
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: random incident. But I was wrong. Oh, turtle painting is

848
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: apparently a thing. Five years ago, Florida experienced a rash

849
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: of tortoise painting incidents all over the state. When painting

850
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: murals on the shells of gopher tortoises started trending, the

851
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Florida Wildlife Commission had to put out a statement saying, quote,

852
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: you should never paint the shells of turtles and gopher tortoises.

853
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: While to you it may seem harmless, painting the shells

854
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: of turtles and tortoises can severely compromise their health. I

855
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: found another article on artists owner dot com begging owners

856
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: of pet tortoises to resist the temptation to be dazzle

857
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: the shells of their beloved pets. The story leads, you

858
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: may have heard, the tortoise shell is made of keraton,

859
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: the same material your fingernails are made of. For some reason,

860
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: many people believe that the similarities between fingernails and tortoiseshells

861
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: means it's perfectly fine to paint their tortoises show with

862
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: nail polish or regular household paint. It is absolutely not

863
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: safe to paint a tortoise shell. This. This is all

864
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: in bold. Painting a tortoises shell poses a lot of

865
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: dangers and can even be fatal. So all right, I

866
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: understand ignorance. These are the same people that bitch about

867
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: subway to them. By the way, Okay, I think you're right.

868
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: I understand ignorance, like I can. I can forgive ignorance.

869
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: They don't know they heard. Oh it's like fingernails. I

870
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: paint my fingernails. Okay, fine, But I don't understand the

871
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: impulse like I wanting to paint pet turtles makes a

872
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: modicum of more sense. I guess like dog owners who

873
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: give their furry friends haircuts. Yeah, they will, or they

874
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: die them. Like somebody has a poodle they diet purple.

875
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: I think that's awful. Like I think that's cruel. I

876
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: don't know. How do you do or stuff in the

877
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: dog into designer vests and clothes and Halloween costumes. That's

878
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: a thing. Okay, so pet turtle maybe, But why do

879
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: you want to paint a wild turtle even if it

880
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: didn't hurt the animals? Like? What are you getting out

881
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: of that? I don't And and to to anybody out

882
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: there who's annoyed, because yes, I realized this is a

883
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: stretch for fish news turtles aren't fish. But I'm so

884
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: baffled by this, and to find out that it's like

885
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: a thing that has gone on for years. I I

886
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: just don't understand and I can't figure out why anyone

887
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: would do that. I could think of one reason. It's

888
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: terrible and it's dumb, and I doubt it was the reason.

889
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: But when you were out here, we were both in fishing,

890
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: comes with hooking the occasional snapping turtle, right so you're

891
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: always trying to figure out, like, is that a snapping

892
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: turtle buzzing around where my bait is? Or is that

893
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: a fish? So like, the only the only dumb excuse

894
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I could see is somebody doing that so that they

895
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: could see them coming. It's like I know where all

896
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: these things are right now. Still not a good reason,

897
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all, But it's I appreciate

898
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: that that. No, that's that's a lot of thinking. You

899
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 1: you came up with a semi plausible reason for why

900
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: this might have happened. So good for you, Good good

901
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: on you there. Yeah, well, uh, there's not a semi

902
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: plausible reason why the thing in my next story happened.

903
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure that it actually happened. But so

904
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: this is a shorty and and I'm sure by now

905
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: many of you have have heard about this one. Um,

906
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's it's just so many I can't

907
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: leave it alone. And we're gonna knock on the damn

908
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: TikTok door two weeks in a row now once again,

909
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: once again, And this comes from Daily dot dot com

910
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: headline fisherman far lines brand new bottle of fireball in

911
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: fish after cutting it open, sparking debate. So we've we've

912
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: covered several stories, some fairly recently about weird things found

913
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: in fish. Not long ago, we talked about lake trout

914
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: with that had somebody found a lego inside a lake trout.

915
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: There were there's one with bits of tire uh inside

916
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: the lake trout, and we we sort of use that

917
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: to get into the discussion of discarding soft plastics. But

918
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: this is next level, right. So in this video, you

919
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: see a couple of dudes at a filet table on

920
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: the back of a large boat and they're cutting up

921
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: some pretty big lin cod. So I'm thinking we're in

922
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: Alaska here, it seems like Alaska. Uh So, so dude

923
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: takes the filet off one side of this this big

924
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: fish feels the now exposed stomach, slices it, and out

925
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: pops a brand spanking new, large unopened bottle of fireball whiskey.

926
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: We're a large one, like a pint, yeah, like one

927
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: talking about a nip here. I'm talking about like not

928
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: not quite the handle, but like the big one. Well,

929
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: hold on, all right, we got we got multiple s

930
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: that we need to clarify. There's there's a little mini bottle. Nope,

931
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: there's the point, Nope, there's the fifth that I'm saying

932
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: it's a five. I'm saying it's a fifth. It's a fifth. Yeah,

933
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: damn right, okay, and so now here right, Look, I

934
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: have very little Lincott experience, So I was I was

935
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: actually chatting about this with our bud and colleagues, Sam Longern,

936
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: because he e fishes for lin cat a lot. And

937
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: he said, it's not outside the realm of possibility that

938
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: a big link cod would eat that, right, I don't know.

939
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: He says that, you know, they're super aggressive, and he

940
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: says over the like they eat all kinds of weird ship.

941
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: So it's not totally implausible that that he would take

942
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: the shot this fish, right, so to speak. Pardon the

943
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: punt um. So, at the time of this recording, the

944
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: video has well over six million views. But here's where

945
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: it falls apart. Right when the guy pulls the bottle out,

946
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: he just smirks a bit and says Jackpott. But it's

947
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: a very fast, muted reaction. I don't know about you,

948
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: but if I pulled a brand new bottle of fireball

949
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: out of a fish like I would have been losing.

950
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: That would have been like holy what what? Holy shit? Right? Meanwhile,

951
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: the onlooker at the filet table barely reacts at all.

952
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: He just smiles. Now. Furthermore, the bottle, it is squeaky

953
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: clean and pristine, and Sam and I both commented that

954
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: there's not a shred of damage to the label, and

955
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: the stomach acid in the lane would have would have

956
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: corroded the label away very quickly. So you put it

957
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: all together, and in my mind, there's no way this

958
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: wasn't staged, unless, of course, it ate the bottle literally

959
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: like two minutes before it ate their bait, which is unlikely.

960
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: So um. I'd also add that I think there is

961
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: a limit to what weird things end up in a

962
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: fishing In this case, while I don't, I don't find

963
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: it hard to believe that that a fish would take

964
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: a shot at a whiskey. I don't know if it

965
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: came Bob and buy or whatever it was doing. Um,

966
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I have a hard time believing

967
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: it would the fish would work that all the way

968
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: into its stomach, Like wouldn't you think it would spit

969
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: it out like a bit of tire or like, I

970
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: don't know, a dish rag or plastic bag or whatever.

971
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: I can see that. I've seen pictures of stripers with

972
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: a piece of wire arm from an umbrella rig poking

973
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: out of their gut um. But I mean this, this

974
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: would have had to have killed the fish if it

975
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: was legit. And and I don't know, like you're not

976
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: digesting that and you're not passing it out the lin

977
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: cod bung hole. So it's just fish have some instincts

978
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: of like I think, what's gonna end up killing them

979
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: if they swallow it? It just you know, anyway, it's

980
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: a very bizarre story. I don't buy it. I don't

981
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: claim to be a link expert. I've never call them,

982
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: but I think they're deep water fish. They are there's

983
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: times fort to stand when they'll come shallower. You can

984
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: find them shallower. But these are giants like these are

985
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: not I will, I will say this. They have a

986
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: mouth big enough to swallow it. I mean, Lincoln got

987
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: a big old mouth. But yeah, they're super deep with

988
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: a full bottle fireball. Would it even sinks, I was

989
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: going to say, would even say so, this thing would

990
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: have to come up and like sip it like a

991
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: dry fly off the surface. And that you've you've, you've

992
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: poked plenty of holes in this to the point where

993
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I already don't believe it. But that, to me is

994
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: just another piece of evidence of implausibility. Yeah, I mean

995
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hardly news, but it's just like we've

996
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: we've also been on the weird stuff and stomachs beats.

997
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: So I mean a bottle of fireball, that's that's something,

998
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: even though it's nothing actually, even though it's all horseship,

999
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: even though it's all made up, and justin yet another

1000
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: reason or another way that social media is ruining fishing

1001
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: because it's getting people to do idiotic stuff like that

1002
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: in order to get six million views. That's what I'll say, Yes,

1003
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: that is what I'll say to could not agree with

1004
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: you more so, that's what we got. We got skip Jack's,

1005
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: we got fake tuna, we got fireball whiskey. If if

1006
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: Phil is feeling saucy, maybe he wants to go spray

1007
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: painted turtle this week, we'll see who took the victory.

1008
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: And uh, right after that, we've got a regional report

1009
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: for you guys from our favorite South Louisiana non legal

1010
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: charter captain down the road Down. It's been a while,

1011
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we we've heard from Darren

1012
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: and uh, keeping up with this week's culinary theme, We're

1013
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: literally going to see what he's got cooking. Joe, because

1014
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: you brought the heat this week, and because I agree

1015
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: with you that the tuna fish sandwich from Subway is

1016
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: the only thing worth getting there, you're the winner this week.

1017
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: But Miles, I was trying to piece together who might

1018
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: be the culprit of the turtle painting, and I thought

1019
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: back to a viral video from years ago involving a

1020
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: guy who knows a lot about paint and turtles. That's right,

1021
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: it's the Zombie Kid likes turtles Kid. I think he

1022
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: might be someone to look into. So I'm actually gonna

1023
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: give him a call right here. Hi, zombie Kid, when

1024
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: was the last time you were in New Hampshire? Like

1025
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: t yep, we we know. Okay, um, do you know

1026
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: anything about the turtle paintings? Well, that was a waste

1027
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: of time. I don't know what I was expecting. All right, y'all,

1028
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: summer in South Louisiana it's hotter than a two dollar pistol.

1029
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest with you, the fishing down

1030
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: right sucks right now. Normally, me and my boy Joey

1031
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: Campbell would be hitting Little Lake and delacro in the

1032
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: afternoons and loading the box would have limited red fish.

1033
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: Not this year. Could be a lack of shrimp, could

1034
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: be all the high tides. We haven't but whatever it is,

1035
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: my freez is looking kind of slipt. I just got

1036
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: back in my mobile home after some storm damage just

1037
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: past hurricane season and hadn't even had one good fish

1038
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: fry yet, which is a bummer because the little chicken

1039
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: seeing said fried fish is a favorite. I and went

1040
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: out and swiped, I mean, borrow the new fish fryer

1041
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: to show him my cooking skills. Anyway, we're catching a

1042
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: few bass here and there now. The other day I

1043
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: had a dude and one of them sparkly boats. Tell

1044
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: me I'm supposed to be putting them back. I said,

1045
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, how about to put him back in my

1046
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: ice chest where he belongs. I don't care if he's

1047
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: one pound or twenty. He's gonna get cooked down in

1048
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: the red gravy with some rice. I told him the

1049
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: stick is stupid bass tournament where the sun don't shine.

1050
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: I ain't no Kevin, damn Van. We're out here catching

1051
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: these fish to eat. He didn't like that too much.

1052
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: I told him. I said, don't worry. I'll bring your

1053
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: wife a plate when I'm done cooking. I also heard

1054
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: they're catching good offshore, but I don't have the money

1055
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: or the time to get down there. Little Ricky Battaguley

1056
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: is a deck hand on a high dollar boat down

1057
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: to Venice. He told me they caught three tuna, all

1058
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: over two hundred pounds the other day. I told Ricky

1059
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: to stop by and bring me some tuna. He said

1060
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: he can't because the clients they take fishing one all

1061
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: the meat. I said, well, look, tell him I'll trade

1062
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: him some hog meat and a few packs of dis

1063
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: I all right, well, that pretty much wraps it up.

1064
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: I got some cold mill of high Life in a

1065
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: can of Vianna sausage calling my name. And look, you know,

1066
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: anybody looking to get rid of a loamo halla me

1067
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: with all this rain we have in my grass is

1068
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: higher than a giraffe's assid my loonmar took a dump

1069
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: on me a few weeks back. All right, later, I

1070
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: have eaten bass. It's not my favorite fish, but they're

1071
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. I will eat bass again. It's not like

1072
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: my my my prime target, but I'm sure it'll happen.

1073
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: We should have no sacred cows. If you ask me

1074
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: if it's cool to eat while I and crappy, it

1075
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: should be cool to eat bass. But just in general,

1076
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: all fish, bess. I don't care which one blue gill

1077
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: select for the smaller to midsize fish any population. Put

1078
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: the breeders back, just across the board. That's what you do.

1079
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: Why is counsel there? If you're gonna eat him, I've

1080
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: eaten him. Side note, the last time I ate a

1081
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: large math it was gritter with worms, which was kind

1082
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: of a turn off and has no bearing on anything.

1083
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: Any who look to close this one out. I'm gonna

1084
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna switch up end of the line a little bit.

1085
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: Remember earlier I foreshadowed hot dogs at the top of

1086
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: the show. Indeed, I do you You made a bold

1087
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: statement there your preference over brots at at least one fishing. Yes,

1088
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 1: they are, and that's partially because they can play double

1089
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: duty when you're after a favorite fish for the fryer. Well,

1090
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: that's not allowed enough. Burt Channel catfish, like all catfish

1091
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: or scent feeders, everyone pretty much knows that they'll home

1092
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: right in on a fresh chunk of shad or chicken

1093
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: livers or fresh shrimp. Of course, there are some catfish

1094
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: anglers that will tell you rotten shrimp or shad or

1095
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: chicken liver works even better. Fresh verse older and nasty

1096
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: or is something catfish guys love to debate, But they

1097
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: also love to debate mixes, mashups, and recipes of less

1098
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: obvious or less natural bait choices. Playing on the fish's

1099
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: ability to sniff out a meal has led people to

1100
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: insist that bar soap a killer channel cat bait. And

1101
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not talking crazy, Okay, I actually found

1102
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: a whole article about it. You won't be successful with

1103
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: that thirty dollar bar of doctor squats you used to

1104
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: polish your ash cheeks, though, no, no. According to the

1105
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: cat pros, the cheaper the soap the better, like real

1106
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: man bar soap, like zest or dial or Irish spring,

1107
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: all the chemically ones that make you smell like the

1108
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: health and beauty aisle of a dollar store. Cut them

1109
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: into one inch cube, stick a cube on a hook,

1110
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: and apparently the cats come running. I've also heard guys

1111
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: swear by soaking your bait and w D forty. Granted,

1112
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: neither of those things sounds very environmentally friendly, but I'm

1113
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: sure they create one hell of a scent trail. I've

1114
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: heard channel cat guys swear by chicken soaked in pickle brine,

1115
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: chewed bubblegum, plato, bananas, and blackberries. But if there's one

1116
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: channel cat bait that seems to pop up time and

1117
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: time again, it's hot dogs. And not just any hot dogs.

1118
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about hot dogs marinated in a sweet and

1119
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: savory bath of cherry kool aid and arloc powder. I

1120
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: first heard about this many years ago while working on

1121
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: a story for Field and Stream, and at the time

1122
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't much into channel cat fishing. It wasn't until

1123
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: years later, when I had little kids, that I put

1124
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: the wisdom to use. I wanted to take my daughter

1125
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: fishing for cats, but it was a spur of the

1126
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: moment decision, and I didn't really have any good bait.

1127
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: But I did have hot dogs, cherry kool aid, and

1128
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: garlic powder, and even after only a couple of hours

1129
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: in the marinade, we were on a channel cat within

1130
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: five minutes of sending out that first chunk of dog.

1131
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: Google catfish plus hot dog and you'll hit on this

1132
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: recipe without even needing a scroll. And sometimes the kool

1133
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: aid is swapped for jello, but either way, the mixture

1134
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: hits channel cats in every olfactory sensor it has. It

1135
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: smells sweet, it smells pungent, and it smells like meat,

1136
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: although maybe less so than it used to. But I'll

1137
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: get to that in just a sec. I tried to

1138
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: research the history of hot dog used for catfish, which

1139
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: took me to weird places, but there's really no clear picture,

1140
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: just speculation that at some point in history, somebody ran

1141
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: out of their preferred channel cat bait during a lakeside

1142
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: picnic or barbecue and a hot dog was simply handy.

1143
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: Hot Dogs as we know them have been in American

1144
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: since eighteen seventy and powdered kool aid has been around

1145
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: since nine when some genius put them together as Anybody's Guest.

1146
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: But it's worth noting that many online articles suggest that

1147
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: when buying hot dogs for catfish, you don't get the

1148
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: fancy ones. Okay, getting your hot dogs might require another

1149
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: trip to the Dollar General for something other than soap. Yes,

1150
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: it would make sense to spend as little money as

1151
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: possible on something you're only gonna use his bait, but

1152
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: there could actually be more to it. Cat gurus claim

1153
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: the cut rate dogs catch more fish. To quote one

1154
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: article I read, get the cheap and nasty ones usually

1155
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: avoided by humans because you see, hot dogs, along with

1156
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: Deli meat, have some of the highest concentrations of nitrates

1157
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: and meat by products of anything we eat, or at

1158
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: least they did for decades until the world got healthier.

1159
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: Today's name brand dog producers tout the lack of nightrates

1160
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: and by products, but it's all that junk that makes

1161
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: the mystery meet more aromatic and attractive to the cats.

1162
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: This is probably why I've also heard that Slim Jim's

1163
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: spam and Vienna sausage worked like charms too. So bottom line,

1164
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: next time you're cleaning out the fridge and dig up

1165
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: that zip lock with two Rando dogs swimming in the

1166
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: thickened dog water. You know the one I'm I'm talking

1167
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 1: about from that barbecue a month ago that required six

1168
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: dogs instead of the eight in the package. Don't throw

1169
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: that away. You pour in a packet of cool aid

1170
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: and a little garlic powder, and that's great eats for

1171
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: a channel cat and without, My friends are Fourth of

1172
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: July cookout is winding down as you stumble around trying

1173
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: to remember where you left your bag and your couzy

1174
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: and your keys. Uh, please just ignore the grown man

1175
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: sleeping the kiddie pool while wearing a patriotic loincloth. Remember

1176
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: that brad Leone maybe a badass chef, but he's dead

1177
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: wrong about pork roll. Be advised that redfish and black

1178
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: bass are all the same in South Louisiana. And never

1179
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: throw out your old hot dogs. Just mail them on

1180
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: over to Joe Bringham. Okay, bring it, no cool necessary,

1181
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: Just stick him in a fed X envelope. All good advice. Also,

1182
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: please send your bar nominations, salbin items, awkward photos, fish

1183
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: news suggestions, and poorly edited drunken ramblings to Bent at

1184
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com. Yes, do that, because I

1185
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: read every one of them and also keep tagging Bent

1186
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: podcast and Degenerate Angler on the Graham. I will probably

1187
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: miss most of those, but Joe is all over them,

1188
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: I promise, and finally be safe out there this weekend

1189
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: and prepare for the crowds. Either do some yoga breathing

1190
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: and practice your meditation, or just do what I do

1191
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: and make everyone a double