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Speaker 1: All right, what a weekend? What a crazy game? Denver

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Speaker 1: only was this a tale of two series, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the first two games look like it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: This game was nuts. I thought Denver came out with

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Speaker 1: a perfect tempo, it was offensive more than defensive, and

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Speaker 1: then the t Wolves just shut them down. Jamal Murray

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Speaker 1: Gordon didn't give you anything, really, Gordon nothing offensively. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting watching it. The Western Conference is so good,

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Speaker 1: watch East, that would be like, Oh, you'd buy whatever

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Speaker 1: package it cost you to buy the superior basketball. I

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Speaker 1: guess my takeaway is a really good basketball team, Minnesota

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Speaker 1: That's kind of my take.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole series had two different faces to it,

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Speaker 3: and either side had the other team dominating, Like and

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Speaker 3: couldn't score. It felt like they were just underneath this

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Speaker 3: four and five where Denver puts up a one twenty

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Speaker 3: it's like nos Reed is slashing, Karl Anthony Towns is slashing,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, one of the biggest issues that had

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Speaker 3: And it was a lot of inconsistency and honestly, what

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Speaker 3: after Game five. They weren't even competitive in those middle

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Speaker 3: put in a deal. Mitchell Robbinson. And if you committed

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Speaker 3: to a guy like Isaiah Hartenstein, you could get a

429
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Speaker 3: lower level, cheaper backup center, and I think they can

430
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Speaker 3: make this type of pivot without having to disrupt the chemistry.

431
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Speaker 3: To your point, I think another thing that would help

432
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Speaker 3: is if you have another shot creator and you are

433
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Speaker 3: a better offensive team in the half court, that alleviates

434
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Speaker 3: some of the I don't need to play every single

435
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Speaker 3: possession like it's the final possession of Game seven of

436
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Speaker 3: the NBA Finals, you know what I mean. Like it

437
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Speaker 3: allows you to kind of ease through the season a

438
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Speaker 3: little bit, take it easier on your bodies, cut minutes down.

439
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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the big one for me, is like

440
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: they need to find a secondary shot creator without tweaking

441
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Speaker 3: the actual core of the team, and if they do so,

442
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 3: they will have the depth to be able to kind

443
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Speaker 3: of like ease their way through the season. But the

444
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Speaker 3: huge I think silver lining in all of this, I

445
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Speaker 3: personally think Jalen Brunson proved this year that he can

446
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Speaker 3: be the best player on a championship team as long

447
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: as his number two is really good. I think his

448
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: number two needs to be really good. But Jalen Brunson,

449
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 3: you can make a case he's the best small guard

450
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Speaker 3: in the league right now. He's been incredible in like

451
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Speaker 3: a big part. He wore down in this series. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 3: but like I thought he was incredible for the most

453
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Speaker 3: part in this playoff.

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Speaker 1: And I also think shot creation. He for a small player,

455
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Speaker 1: gets such great looks. He's so clever, he's so quick. Hell,

456
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Speaker 1: he gets he gets good looks within eight feet. I

457
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Speaker 1: mean he's in he's in the lane open a lot,

458
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Speaker 1: and it's like, that's that's that's the Redwoods. So I

459
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Speaker 1: look at him, and it doesn't happen very often in

460
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Speaker 1: the NBA where somebody develops into a star. It really doesn't.

461
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Speaker 1: I remember Michael Red came into the league and all

462
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Speaker 1: of a sudden you looked up and you're like, who's

463
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Speaker 1: Michael Red. He's an All Stars And then it didn't

464
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Speaker 1: last very long. But generally, if you're like a Chris Middleton,

465
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Speaker 1: you develop into a good two, you know what I mean,

466
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Speaker 1: and that's kind of what you are, and then it's

467
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Speaker 1: quick and then you move back to being maybe a three. No,

468
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Speaker 1: Jalen's a one. I think it's also when you find

469
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Speaker 1: your one, like you find a staff, you know, you

470
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Speaker 1: find a Kobe or whoever it is that you have

471
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Speaker 1: to have players that compliment them. And so like Devindenzo

472
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Speaker 1: is a catch and shoot guy. He doesn't need the

473
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Speaker 1: ball in his hands. It's great. You can't let him go.

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Speaker 1: He's he's really become classic Villanova guy. You know, he's

475
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Speaker 1: between Villanova and the NBA's bounced around. But he's really

476
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Speaker 1: valuable to that team, I thought. And he's by the way,

477
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Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. You know, he's a tough guy,

478
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Speaker 1: like he really fits the culture. That's the guy I

479
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Speaker 1: would really cling to. But you gotta find somebody that's

480
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Speaker 1: a good wing defender we'll put in the minutes, doesn't

481
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Speaker 1: need the ball a ton you know, you're not going

482
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Speaker 1: to get KD. But KD you know if he wasn't,

483
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Speaker 1: he didn't bring other stuff kind of a get the

484
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Speaker 1: ball late in the shot clock score. I do think

485
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Speaker 1: Paul George is fascinating. I just don't know going into

486
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Speaker 1: a new building if Steve Balmer, I mean, I just

487
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Speaker 1: where do you thin? What do you think they do?

488
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Speaker 1: What do you think the Clippers do with with with Paul,

489
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Speaker 1: Because Paul's going to have options.

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Speaker 3: I think that they I think the Clippers end up

491
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Speaker 3: keeping him. But I think I think here's the thing.

492
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of stars available this summer. This is

493
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Speaker 3: setting up to be like an absolutely wild summer because

494
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Speaker 3: one of Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell is going to get traded,

495
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Speaker 3: Trey Young and de Jontay Murray, I would venture to

496
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Speaker 3: guess one of them is going to get traded. I

497
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Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if Brain and Ingram gets traded from

498
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Speaker 3: the Pelicans. Paul George is going to be a guy

499
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Speaker 3: that people are targeting. Michale Bridges from the Nets is

500
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Speaker 3: going to be a guy people are targeting. There will

501
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Speaker 3: be teams that call Phoenix and try to poach one

502
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Speaker 3: of their stars and be like, hey, there's a disappointing season.

503
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Speaker 3: How does all this stuff sound? You know what I mean.

504
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Speaker 3: Lauri Markinen is another guy like if you were looking

505
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Speaker 3: for a guy who could give you twenty five points

506
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: a night and some rebounding support while also being primarily

507
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Speaker 3: a play finisher off the ball, that's a guy like

508
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Speaker 3: if you if you went og and Andobi Lori Markin

509
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Speaker 3: and Isaiah Hartenstein, that's an awesome front.

510
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Speaker 1: Market is a very productive player. I don't know why

511
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: Chicago moved off him. I think he's very productive.

512
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Speaker 3: I know it, so like, yeah, it's one of those

513
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Speaker 3: things where there's just a plethora of options. And so

514
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Speaker 3: one of the things that that does is it's kind

515
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Speaker 3: of different than what we talked about last summer where

516
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Speaker 3: or this last deadline. Remember this last deadline, you and

517
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Speaker 3: I had conversations about how it was kind of like

518
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Speaker 3: a seller's market, like there was very few people looking

519
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: to sell and all these people looking to buy, and

520
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: so it just didn't look like much materialized. This summer

521
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: is going to be the opposite. There's gonna be a

522
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Speaker 3: lot of people looking to sell, and so you might

523
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Speaker 3: be able to get a player of higher quality without

524
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Speaker 3: having to throw a ton of value into it. And

525
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Speaker 3: so I think that there's gonna be options out there.

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Speaker 3: It really depends. The problem with the Lori marketing type

527
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Speaker 3: is again, I do think it would be advantageous to

528
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Speaker 3: make it so that Brunson didn't have to initiate every

529
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Speaker 3: single possession. Yes, it'd be great if there was a

530
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Speaker 3: kde or a Paul George, because with that guy you

531
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Speaker 3: could be like, hey, Brunson can play thirty four minutes

532
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Speaker 3: a night, and we're going to get great offense in

533
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Speaker 3: the other fourteen minutes because we can run it through

534
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Speaker 3: this other guy, or Brunson has a bad matchup in

535
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Speaker 3: this series, so we can go through another angle. Or

536
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Speaker 3: you know, Brunson just took three possessions on in a row.

537
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Speaker 3: Now he's tired. He can go stand in the corner

538
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Speaker 3: and be a spot up shooter while this guy goes

539
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Speaker 3: to work. Like, I do think they'll probably prioritize a

540
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Speaker 3: shot creator. I wonder you know, Brandon Ingram is kind

541
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Speaker 3: of an interesting type of player. The one problem with

542
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: him is like he's had a lot of injury stuff,

543
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Speaker 3: but he's probably going to be the discount option. I mean,

544
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Speaker 3: I'm really curious to see you ends up getting him

545
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: because he's going to be a discount option. But I

546
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: do think they'll go after some kind of upgrade.

547
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Speaker 1: And I think the deficiencies with Ingram are okay because

548
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: he's covered by the next You don't think of him

549
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: as a tough guy or a play through injury guy.

550
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: What you think of him as a skinny jeans can

551
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: give you thirty four and any night can be a

552
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: little moody, sometimes kind of disengaged, but the team is

553
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: the most engaged team in the league, so it's like,

554
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, like they always say, if you have a

555
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: strong locker room, you know in any sport you can overcome.

556
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: And the Patriots had Randy Moss is fine, Randy King

557
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: with stuff Ingram can be disengaged. When I when I

558
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: my whole career, even in l when I watched him

559
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: his whole career, I've always felt like I'm not exactly

560
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: sure what's showing up tonight. A little Rashid Wallace. On

561
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: the good nights, you're like, why isn't he Why isn't

562
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Speaker 1: he first team on NBA in our standas, But those

563
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: he has nights where he just doesn't feel like he

564
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: even wants the ball. But the Knicks are so smartly,

565
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: they're so clearly built. It's such a defined culture you

566
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: can handle. A guy who sometimes is a bit disengaged,

567
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: has to be prodded because what they've proven is they

568
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: don't need I feel with Zion's weight and injuries, like

569
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times the Pelicans are like, we need

570
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Speaker 1: Brandon tonight, and sometimes he doesn't show. The Knicks won't

571
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Speaker 1: need him every night. Like the culture is set. New

572
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Orleans was trying to figure their culture out. New York's

573
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: is set and Ingram's it's not going to be built

574
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Speaker 1: a rounding room. That's what I always said with Kad

575
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Speaker 1: and Golden State was perfect. They didn't need him for

576
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Speaker 1: culture and leadership. Hit shots like Brandon could be like

577
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Speaker 1: hitch shots. They could use a finesse player. They've got

578
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: pro wrestlers, you know, they got like fullbacks everywhere. They

579
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: need a wide receiver on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what he is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So with the brandon Ingram thing, to be clear,

582
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: like I think New York will hunt a bigger fish.

583
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Speaker 3: I think they'll look for a KD. They'll look for

584
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Speaker 3: Paul George. But there is a scenario this summer where

585
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: Matt Spiez like, no, I'm not trading him. Sorry, And

586
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Speaker 3: there's a there's a scenario where Seve Falmer's like, I'm

587
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: opening up a new arena. We're not training Paul George.

588
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: That's what I think he'll do exactly. And so if

589
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Speaker 3: that's the case, then brandon Ingram becomes like a fallback option.

590
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: Now here's the thing with Brandon Ingram, which I think

591
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: is super fascinating. I think this shine in a big

592
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: way in two recent instance instances. One when Zion Williamson

593
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: kind of took the keys in two when he played

594
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: on Team USA, it became pretty apparent that Brandon Ingram

595
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: was a guy that kind of needed to have the

596
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: ball in his hands, right, but so specifically with New

597
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: York though, they're looking for that. They need someone so

598
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: that Brunson doesn't have to do everything because de Vincenzo

599
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: can play off the ball, because ogn and O, we

600
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: can play off the ball, because Josh Heart plays off

601
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Speaker 3: the ball. Like everybody on their roster is an off

602
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: ball threat primarily except for Brunson. And so having a

603
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: guy like that, like and you can imagine next to

604
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: Og and Andobi, it's like OG's going to take the

605
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: primary point of attack assignment for wing players, so he

606
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Speaker 3: can primarily focus on being, you know, kind of a

607
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: help defender, which, by the way, Brandon Ingram had an

608
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Speaker 3: awesome season as a help defender for New Orleans this

609
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 3: year because he's got super long arms and he can

610
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: read plays and stuff like that. So he'd be an

611
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: example of a guy that could go with that. I

612
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: think raises their physical profile without messing with the chemistry

613
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: of the team while giving them a secondary ball handler

614
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Speaker 3: while being relatively affordable. I don't think they're going to

615
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Speaker 3: have to pay much. Brandon Ingram's stock is at an

616
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Speaker 3: all time low right now because of the Olympics and

617
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: because he just went into a series fresh off of

618
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Speaker 3: an injury and got his butt kicked by the thunder,

619
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Speaker 3: so he would be an interesting kind of fallback option

620
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Speaker 3: for them.

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Speaker 1: Indiana against Boston, they're so poor defensively. I'll give him credit.

622
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Speaker 1: They showed no signs of mental toughness in the series

623
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Speaker 1: until Game seven. I thought, you know, once Og got

624
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: hurt early and then Brunton, You're like, okay, whatever. They

625
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: don't exhibit a lot of toughness. I really do believe

626
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: if the Knicks were completely healthy, even without Randall, I

627
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: think they could give the Celtics trouble. Like I think

628
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: they would just make them uncomfortable. Like you, they're not

629
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: the most skilled team, but Boston I think can be

630
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: pushed around a little bit and intimidated. I think Indiana

631
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: is it's again. The games will be fun. Offensively, I

632
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: think the games will look like two really talented offensive teams.

633
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Boston's the better. I think there'll be a lot of points.

634
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Speaker 1: That's kind of my take on what You'll have five

635
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: games series Boston and there'll be some one twenty six

636
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: is one thirteens. It'll be fun basketball. I just don't think.

637
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Speaker 1: I don't think Philip. I don't think Indiana can make

638
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: stops if they have to in the series.

639
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: That's my take, Yeah, Indiana.

640
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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I believe Indiana is undefeated at

641
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Speaker 3: home in this postseason run. So, like that's one of

642
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: their big angles is they're this super young, energetic, fast,

643
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: playing in trainsition type of team, and that can be

644
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: a buzzsaw when you go on the road. And uh,

645
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: but like and by the way, we saw Indiana beat

646
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: Boston in the nd season tournament. Now one of the

647
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: couple things there that was before Halliburton heard his hamstring

648
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: and what you saw for the handful of games in

649
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: this series where when you saw Haliburton's upside, that was

650
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: kind of what he was like every night before his

651
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: hamstring injury. Like he was the Steve Nash two point zero.

652
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: He's super fast, he could shoot, he could get into

653
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: the peyton and generate all these high quality shots. So

654
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: like the way I look at it, it's like Indiana

655
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: is a team full of specialists. It's like two great

656
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: play initiators and TJ. McConnell and Tyrese Haliburton, and then

657
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 3: a bunch of play finishers, guys like Miles Turner, Pascal Siakam,

658
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: all these guys, right, Pascal Siakam can play on an

659
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: island a little bit, but like they're they've They're just

660
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: this specialist team, whereas Boston is a team that's got

661
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: like a bunch of stars basically, or fringe stars that

662
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: are like learning how to play together. And so the

663
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: case for Indiana is like Indiana's optimized Boston's note Indiana

664
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: lives in transition. Maybe they just make the whole series

665
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: attract meet, maybe they make a bunch of shots, maybe

666
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: they win. But Boston is like so much better defensively,

667
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: and they do have more talent overall offensively as well,

668
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: Like they're just better on both ends of the floor.

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Speaker 3: So it's hard to find a pathway to victory. I

670
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: just think with Indiana's home court advantage, they'll probably push

671
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: the series to five or six. But I have a

672
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: really hard time believe in Indiana gets a win in

673
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: this one.

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Speaker 1: So Dallas beats Okase and probably one of the top

675
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: two or three games of the year in the NBA.

676
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: It was just an insane matchup with tremendous offensive players,

677
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like this is when it

678
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: was over. I'm like, yeah, this is the way it

679
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: should have ended. Is that the young team took a

680
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: baby step. And whereas Minnesota has some veterans, some Godbert

681
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: and Karl Anthony Towns. You know, okac ready doesn't They're

682
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: all kind of you know, it's kind of kids. They

683
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: could have used probably a thirty three year old guy

684
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: in big moments, you know, they could depend on, and

685
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: it's sort of this is what they were. So I

686
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: think Lahoma City flyes home and thinks this was a

687
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: great season. I think Dallas needed to win it. You know,

688
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I know Lucas great. I've been

689
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: watching the NBA since seventy two. He's one of the

690
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: more gifted, unstoppable offensive players. And it's surprising how many

691
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: great offensive players are unorthodox. They're different, they're weird. You know.

692
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I grew up with George Gervin, you know, you know,

693
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: finger rolls from twelve feet, Moses Malone, a lot of

694
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: these prodigious scores, the skyhook, it ain't jumpers. You know,

695
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: Alex English led the eighties in scoring and couldn't jump

696
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: right like some guys are just they're just scores. Luca

697
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: is so different. He always looks heavy and it's like

698
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: Dirk Novitsky fall away but not as pretty. I will

699
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: give him credit though, to bring in at times a

700
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: ball centric guy with a unique personality Kyrie, and to

701
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: sort of step back on ball usage, play better defense,

702
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: like he's not stubborn like Mellow. To me almost felt stubborn,

703
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: like Luca's got some self awareness Luca's I mean, that's

704
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Speaker 1: my takeaway, is that the most if I was a

705
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: Maverick fan, I'm like our guy kind of looked at

706
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: himself and when I got to be a better defender,

707
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna look great, but I'm gonna put the

708
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: effort in and I'm gonna get the ball out of

709
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: my hands. And it's like that's something. The self awareness

710
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: is something.

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Speaker 2: That's what I see. First of all.

712
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Speaker 3: That bit about the scorers being weird is so interesting,

713
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: and I've never thought about that before because as you

714
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: go back, a lot of them are like that, Like

715
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: Jokich is this weird, wide bodied refrigerator. Of a player

716
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: that just shoots all these like kind of funky shots,

717
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: like James Harden is a lefty that is like two

718
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: dimensional and either just will drive left or take a

719
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: step back jump er going right. That's like the only

720
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: two things he does. But no one could guard him

721
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: for like a four year period. I think he was

722
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: completely unstoppable. There's so many of these like kind of

723
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: weird players out there. I wonder if that has to

724
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: do with just the unorthodox nature of guarding those players

725
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: versus the traditional matchups that players see elsewhere around the league.

726
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: But like one of the things that I think k

727
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: Kyrie I think is one of those players that is,

728
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: when he has slotted in the right role, impacts winning

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: like a top fifteen player in the league. But when

730
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: he's outside of that right role, you start to kind

731
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: of see some of his warts. And you know, we

732
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: saw that in Boston when it's like, Okay, he can't

733
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: be the number one, Like he just clearly is incapable

734
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: of doing that. Even in Brooklyn, you know, I by

735
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: the way, that Brooklyn team was pretty good. I think

736
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: that was a turned ankle in a strained hamstring away

737
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: from probably winning the title in twenty twenty one, but again,

738
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: he wasn't playing alongside to do everything forward. That's what's

739
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: unique about the Luca in Lebron experience, because I don't

740
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: think it's a coincidence. Kyrie is playing this incredible defense

741
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: that he's playing this season. This is his best defensive

742
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: season since twenty sixteen, when he hit the game winner

743
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: in Game seven of the NBA Finals and guarded Steph

744
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: the majority of the series. The reason why is on

745
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: that team, because Lebron could take sixty percent of the

746
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: offensive possessions and just eat up all that usage. Kyrie

747
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: was an excellent off ball player. He could spot up

748
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: and space the floor, but then it was like here's

749
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: here's a third of the game, go cook, But this

750
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: rest of the time I got you. Then that allowed

751
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: him to kind of handle all of his energy distribution

752
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: in all of these useful ways. And like Kyrie's had

753
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: some kind of iffy statistical games in this playoff run

754
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: where I thought he was awesome. He had a game

755
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: earlier this series where he took like eight shots, but

756
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: he had like eleven assists and was unbelievable defensively. Like Kyrie,

757
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: I think when he plays alongside a Swiss Army knife

758
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: forward that can really run an offense for the majority

759
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: of a game. He can focus his energy into his

760
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: his elite traits, and he's got some real elite traits.

761
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: And then I think, and this is the one last

762
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: thing I want to say about Dallas, and it's a

763
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: really interesting factor coming into the Minnesota series. Denver can't

764
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: protect the rim. It is their biggest weakness and that

765
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: ended up being an issue. You see Nasried and Carrolltown

766
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: slashing to the rim, Anthony Edward slashing to the rim.

767
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Look at what the Lakers did to them. They eviscerated

768
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: their front line defensively. Minnesota is going into Dallas. Dallas

769
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: is an excellent rim protection team. Derek Lively and Daniel

770
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: Gafford have transformed that defense into like are you talk

771
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: about redwoods? Those dudes underneath the basket can really protect

772
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: the right.

773
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Was a trade deadline move, like, I mean, it's amazing, Yeah,

774
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: it's amazing what you can do with the trade Deavl.

775
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: That was one of the great trade deadline that didn't

776
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: get a ton of press. It didn't get a lot

777
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: of attention.

778
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: To your point, because you had talked about how Oklahoma's

779
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: You said Dallas or Denver Dallas. Excuse me, you said

780
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Dallas needed that series. You're right, it's an absolute catastrophe

781
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: if they lose that serious it's like a complete in

782
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: total catastrophe because they gave up first round draft compensation

783
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: for PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford. So like, now looking

784
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: back at it, it looks it looks genius, But there

785
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: was a lot of state for Dallas in that series.

786
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: For the record, I thought Dallas deserved to win. I

787
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: thought they were the better team. Yeah, but again, like

788
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: they have some real rim protection, and that's going to

789
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: be an interesting angle on the Minnesota series because Minnesota

790
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: likes to attack the rim. There's slashing, dribble, penetration, attack

791
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: the rim type of offense, and Dallas is kind of

792
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: built to withstand that. So that'll be a really really

793
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 3: interesting element in the next round.

794
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta talk about this. You know, Jason hoops tonight,

795
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: he watches more film than probably anybody on the internet.

796
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: So I watched Bronnie. I watched Bronnie, and first of all,

797
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: there's the revelation that he's like three inches smaller. So

798
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: now he's going to be a backup point guard. That's

799
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: kind of what he's got to be. So I always

800
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: feel like you got to be about six ' four

801
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: in the NBA to be a two, and then at

802
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: six ' four you got to be pretty tenacious because

803
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna face six six guys a lot. But somebody

804
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: pointed out in the Internet. I apologize for not remembering

805
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: who it was, but they said, Wow, that jumper starts

806
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: really low, really low. You can get away with that

807
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: in high school, AU and probably college, but man, that

808
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: that's a half second. That's a third of a second.

809
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: And I watched Bronni and he's athletic enough, he runs

810
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: the floor. Well, you know he's going to be a

811
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: smart kid. I don't wantry to buy any of the

812
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: intangible stuff, but I looked at that jumper and I thought,

813
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a scout. I'm not going to

814
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: pretend I know. But you've seen it. Is that have

815
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: to be corrected for Bronnie?

816
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: I think it probably does.

817
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: That was actually the video that went around where you

818
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: did the star drill at the draft and the combine

819
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: and he hit nineteen for twenty five. The first thing

820
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: that stood out to me is like that releases a

821
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: little slow, like he was running to the spot and

822
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: then taking his time to load up and knock down

823
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: the shot. And like just compare that for compared, just

824
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: as a juxtaposition, watch a Dante DiVincenzo three as he

825
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: comes flying off a screen like it's a it is

826
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: lightning quick, really says, he gets it into his pocket

827
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: and elevates right. So like here's the thing, though, let's

828
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: not fool ourselves. None of us saw Brownie as a

829
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: lottery pick. He's a project. But he's a project who

830
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: with basketball shoes on, is going to be the better

831
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: part of six to three. He's two hundred and ten

832
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: pounds of solid muscle with strong like yeah, like I

833
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: was considered a strong forward in college and I was

834
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: two twenty five, So like to give you an idea,

835
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 3: he's like big and strong. You know, he's got super

836
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: long arms. He's got like six eight wingspan. He's what

837
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: had the third best vertical leap at the combine, Like

838
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: he is an elite athlete at his position who's got

839
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: good strength and length. So, like, what does he project

840
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: to be in the NBA? Probably, like you said, either

841
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: a backup guard kind of like a ducemicc bride. Duce

842
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: McBride is like kind of the low end, and then

843
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: the high end is like the guy like a Jalen Suggs,

844
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: where maybe he could start and be kind of like

845
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: the point guard or two guard on the team that

846
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: uses forwards to initiate offense, you know, because there's a

847
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: lot of teams out there, kind of like the twenty

848
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: twenty Lakers they started Casey and Danny Green, Like, you

849
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: don't need a point guard if your forwards are stars.

850
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: So like, there are teams out there that could use

851
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: a player like that. My thing is is like he's

852
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: clearly a project, So you're right, he's gonna have to

853
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: get a shot blocked fifteen times in practice until he

854
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: listens to the coach that says like, hey man, we

855
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: got to tweak your release. Let's get in, let's work

856
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: on this. It's gonna be a process. But like, I

857
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: have no problem with him getting his chance. I think

858
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Colin, but I think it's

859
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: absolutely hilarious everyone's focusing on the nepotism angle because it's

860
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: literally as if it hasn't been. Every level of basketball

861
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: is like that. I remember when I when I was

862
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: at the U of A. It'd be like they'd sign

863
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: some five star recruit and they'd bring two of his friends,

864
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: one to be a manager and one would get a

865
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: spot on the team. You know, of course that the

866
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: nassis on antenne Koumpo plays for the Bucks that he

867
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: like barely looks like an NBA player. Sometimes like at

868
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: the end of the day, like this is such an

869
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: ordinary thing in life, and like he's going to get

870
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: his opportunity because of his dad, no doubt. But no

871
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: real coach is going to put him on the floor

872
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: and give him minutes in a meaningful game unless he

873
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: earns it right, and he will have his opportunity to

874
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: earn it. He does have legitimate NBA tools, And that's

875
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: the part that I think it's gloss over too much.

876
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: He has NBA tools. Let him have his opportunity. Let's

877
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: see what he makes of it.

878
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched them a couple of times at USC.

879
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: He's got hops, he'll defend, he's powerful, a quick jumper,

880
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: runs the floor really well. By the way, the same

881
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: guy who would complain about Bronnie doesn't watch the NBA

882
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: and probably got a job or went to a school

883
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: because his dad got him into college, and his dad

884
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: got into college because his grandpa got him into college.

885
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: It's like, people take a deep breath on this shit.

886
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: It's like politics, the Clintons, the Bushes, the I mean,

887
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: this is the way the world works, like corporate America,

888
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: political America. I mean, how many NFL coaches try to

889
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: squeeze their kid on the staff? You know, Pete Carroll

890
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: was well known squeezed. You know, he wants his kid

891
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: on the staff, and Belichick, by the way, put his

892
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: kid on the staff. I just don't have a problem again,

893
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: Brownie is when you when I watch him talk, when

894
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: I watch the soundbites, he's very grateful for it. This

895
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: isn't some arrogant kid who feels like he's like, yeah,

896
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: I get it, like everybody gets it in the room.

897
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: So it doesn't bother me at all. I want to

898
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: point on this too. So you know, I've said this

899
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: before that the thing that worries me a little bit

900
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: about the NBA, and I saw this. Hockey's always been

901
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: international and has never landed for the TV audience in America.

902
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: Baseball is increasingly over the last twenty international, and it's

903
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: lost its currency it's social currency in America, still very

904
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: popular in person, not on TV. The NBA will have

905
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: some challenges as it moves to some streaming services and

906
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: as it becomes international, but it did get its money. Baseball.

907
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball signed a recent deal with Roku. It

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: made thirty million dollars, I mean a million dollars a team.

909
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: It's an nothing against Roku. It's absolutely an embarrassing contract.

910
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: The NBA is going to get like four billion a

911
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: year or something like that billion a year, five whatever

912
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: it is. And one of the things, the two things

913
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: why the NBA will never become baseball a they know

914
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: how to market. It's a star driven league. Even the

915
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: international guys they're all one word. It's like, you know,

916
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean, just think of how many guys in the NBA.

917
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: It's like Luca, Yannis Jokic. You know, it's like Pele Messe, Ronaldo,

918
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: like that matters, Share Madonna sting music, right, like you know,

919
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: you go if you become a nickname sport. When I

920
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: was a kid growing up, it was that baseball players

921
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: often had like nicknames, and so the international players go

922
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: by one name or a nickname. There's a star ingredient

923
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: that the NBA has. The second thing is the juice

924
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: and energy I am watching these playoff games. These crowds

925
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: are I mean it is. The fans are just you know,

926
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: like they're giving their heart signs in New York. What

927
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: the NBA provides, and we all kind of know this

928
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: is it. A regular season doesn't matter as much. It

929
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: just doesn't. It's okay, the NFL is different scarcity of games,

930
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: But these playoffs, man, I'm telling you, I'm watching these things.

931
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: I can't turn away so like on Friday nights sometimes

932
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: in Saturday, because I know I'm not on the next day.

933
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: I won't sit home and take notes. I won't. I'll

934
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: go to a restaurant. I'll get park next to it.

935
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm in a restaurant in LA and Okac and Dallas

936
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: are playing and people are gasping. La Beach people are going,

937
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: oh my god. I'm like, you don't do that for baseball.

938
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: You just don't do it for baseball. The quality of

939
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: energy and juice in these games. I mean, you're like

940
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: a savant of this stuff, But I tend to view

941
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: stuff almost as a generalist. Does it play to the masses,

942
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Like I stopped talking baseball fifteen years ago. I didn't

943
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: see the juice. I didn't see the stars. One of

944
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: the reasons I talk to NBA. Just watch these crowds,

945
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: watch the energy. Jesus. Every possession Denver and Minnesota, OKC

946
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: Dallas for an hour, every possession matter.

947
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: Like your late third quarter.

948
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, that's a huge three. So

949
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: the NBA gets And I don't know if it's the

950
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: sport that talks more politics or takes more cultural stands.

951
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Some people have a problem with it.

952
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't, but I think these playoffs have been remarkable.

953
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean even teams that are lower and skilled, like

954
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: New York can't turn them off.

955
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: First of all, that Roku stat you gave his insane

956
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: because like, didn't the Liberty Fever game get over a

957
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: million dollars just in the in ticket sales from that

958
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: one game? Yes, in Major League Baseball teams are getting

959
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: a million for a contract with Roku. That's that's that

960
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: is flat out embarrassing. There's no other way to look

961
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: at it. Yeah, you know, I was listening to the

962
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: Bill Simmons podcast last week and he had Ethan Strauss

963
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: on and they were talking a little bit about the

964
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: difference between Ethan was trying to make a point. Basically,

965
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: what he was saying is is like, even though NHL

966
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: and baseball and basketball all are like these inventory sports,

967
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: he was saying, the NBA just feels like it's worth more.

968
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

969
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: And one of the big things that I see with

970
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: the NBA that these other leagues don't have is the

971
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: moments Like so, for instance, both of those Boston Denver

972
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: games this year, those were moments like every NBA fan

973
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: was like, this is an NBA Finals preview, We're gonna

974
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: sit down, We're gonna watch this in both games were incredible.

975
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: Some of those Lebron's death battles were insane. Some of

976
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: those lebron kd battles were insane. To your point. Remember

977
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: the Kyrie lefty hook shot to beat Denver at the

978
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: buzzer towards the tail end of season. I was at

979
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 3: a restaurant watching that game. The restaurant went crazy. No

980
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: one's doing that for a d Backs Yankees game on

981
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: a Tuesday, Like, it's just it's it is. There is

982
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: an energy in like a the the NBA has the

983
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: ability to be it can be boring for five straight days,

984
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: but then it can have like a random Friday night

985
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: that is like an instant classic, and that I think

986
00:48:59,239 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: is something unique.

987
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: Well, also, never forget this in baseball, like if Otani

988
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: or Bryce Harper or Dhing in a two hour and

989
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: fifty five minute game, you may see five minutes Atani

990
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: or Bryce Harper. In hockey, you know, if a forward

991
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: places twenty minutes because you're lying, you're only on the

992
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: ice for fifty seconds. In the NBA, Lucas on the

993
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: court for forty three minutes and has the ball every possession,

994
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks and NBA Stars they're on the field, they

995
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: touched the ball. I mean, this is one of the

996
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: things with baseball. They've shortened the game smartly, but what

997
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: they've also done is they've reduced the time for it. Bats.

998
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: You want Bryce Harper like you don't want Bryce Harper ever, Dhing,

999
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: you want Bryce Harper. I mean Bryce Harper going from

1000
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: right field to first base. I see more of Bryce Harper.

1001
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: I want his face. This was taught to me years

1002
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: ago by Glenn Jacobs at ESPN when and I sort

1003
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: of moved off baseball as a topic. He said, and

1004
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: he taught me this. He said, how much is your

1005
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: star on TV. I want to see Shack in his

1006
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: prime on TV, close up ISO cameras all the time,

1007
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: and that's Brady, Brady Gronk, Brady Mahomes, Kelsey, Andy Reid.

1008
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: Your stars are constantly on hockey baseball. They're not. So

1009
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: the NBA has that advantage is that like the quarterback

1010
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I get, I mean Sga, Luka, Kyrie, Sga, Holme, Luca,

1011
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: like four guys just back and forth, back and forth,

1012
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: the occasional lou Dort, you know. I mean, you can

1013
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: have occasional guys that don't stick out. But like I'm

1014
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: watching that thing today and it's just I mean, Jokic,

1015
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: Murray and even Quirky Gobaar, we know him. He's been around.

1016
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: So the NBA's it's it's just I wouldn't talk it.

1017
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're a generalist, I have to talk

1018
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: in headlines on FS one. I wouldn't talk it if

1019
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: it didn't work. I talk NFL, NBA College for well

1020
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: and an occasional moment. So NBA is fine. That's why

1021
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: that's why there's a bidding war right now between NBC

1022
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: and TNT and ESPN, and you know they'll probably all

1023
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: get it all right. Oops tonight, Jason, timph this was

1024
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: just good. What a great day, what a great weekend.

1025
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: I love doing this so much with you and keep

1026
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: crushing it season.

1027
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: To see you next time calling. Hopefully our conference finals

1028
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: live up to the billing.

1029
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Yep, I think they will the volume. Thanks so much

1030
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,080
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