WEBVTT - 050424 The Arizona Abortion Ban and the YWCA (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>People on riding with us is we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>Listen we the way. We appreciate it because we are

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<v Speaker 1>talking that talk today. We got some special guests in

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<v Speaker 1>the building Angelo Salazar, she is the Equity Programs director,

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<v Speaker 1>and Marta Rabinowska, Marketing and brand manager for the YWCA.

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<v Speaker 1>We got some heavy hitters in the building and we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about women's autonomy and really how the intersection

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<v Speaker 1>of politics and women's ability to be humans and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what that looks like. So we have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>second half that we're gonna talk about it. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course we could talk about this all day, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely are going to be talking about how bodies

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<v Speaker 1>more I learn about what it is that y w

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<v Speaker 1>we have to really help out. And fortunately we're in

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<v Speaker 1>a position and do a little bit. So let's get

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<v Speaker 1>back to these conversations. So uh, let's discuss you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what I do want to discuss, like the ways that

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<v Speaker 1>women's bodies are policed. And you know, being a man,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been subjected to really anything like that. How

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<v Speaker 1>that might feel. And you know, obviously there's at least

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of the population that knows how that feels.

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<v Speaker 1>But for us, we often feel like we can do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fighting. We should do most of the fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>We are black men, we should do most of the fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are certain battles where allies non Black people

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<v Speaker 1>can be more effective than we can be on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of black people. Right. So I say that to say

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<v Speaker 1>that half of the population will know full well what

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<v Speaker 1>it means to have your rights restricted, to take your

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<v Speaker 1>decisions about what it is that you feel your family

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<v Speaker 1>should look like and your path forward should look like, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Are decided by people you've never met, will never meet,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are imposing these restrictions on you. Right, But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot there's another half of the population that

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<v Speaker 1>has the potential to be really strong allies on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of the people affected by these restrictions. Right. So I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to, you know, take a moment to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe some of the ways that some of the

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<v Speaker 1>restrictions that you're familiar with, and some of the ways

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<v Speaker 1>they impact how you move through time and space, how

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<v Speaker 1>you plan things in the future, how it feels. Because again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something I cannot know. It's never been a

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<v Speaker 1>thing for me. So let's start with you and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come to your next market.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that is it's an interesting dynamic because

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<v Speaker 3>if I choose to have a child because I want

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<v Speaker 3>a child, like I'm gonna have a child, right, If

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<v Speaker 3>I choose and say I don't want to have children

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<v Speaker 3>because of X, Y and Z. Maybe I want I

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<v Speaker 3>love my independence. Maybe I feel like, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>so costly to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a child.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you already have children correct and need to support them.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only that, in some communities, they all also have

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<v Speaker 3>to worry about living. The mortality rate for black mothers

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<v Speaker 3>is increasing minute by minute, and so that's another concern

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<v Speaker 3>that people have. I don't want to have I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to get pregnant because or I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>have a child because I might die on the hospital

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<v Speaker 3>bed having this child.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of concerns.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, we always constantly compare ourselves to our

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<v Speaker 3>male counterparts, because y'all don't have to think about that,

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<v Speaker 3>right you're not the one having a human being grow

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<v Speaker 3>out of your body.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that that ties into why we have

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<v Speaker 3>this issue right now. Why who's dominating politics right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it men versus women? Women are coming out very fast,

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<v Speaker 3>but right now and throughout all of history, it's always

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<v Speaker 3>been male dominated, and so it's easy for them to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get all over your business. Your privacy

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<v Speaker 3>rights no longer are being considered because now I need

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<v Speaker 3>to know whether you're going to have a child, and

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<v Speaker 3>how many weeks are you pregnant? Even a woman doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>even know she's pregnant up until right about that time

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<v Speaker 3>of the fifteen week mark. I think that's what they're

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<v Speaker 3>and other places could be around that time. But at

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, men don't know this, like we don't

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<v Speaker 3>know we're pregnant until we don't see a period. In

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<v Speaker 3>some cases, some people still have a period. So they think, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just pick fifteen weeks and men, do you do

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<v Speaker 3>these male politicians know that? Piece do they know all

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<v Speaker 3>these other things that we have to consider. A woman

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<v Speaker 3>has to consider all of these factors when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to pregnancy, and so that, like I said, it is

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<v Speaker 3>one gender base, one historical base, because who has been

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<v Speaker 3>the majority for this whole time?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, marta real quick We've talked about abortion access, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know that there are some other areas where women's

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<v Speaker 1>mobility may have been like kind of artificially restricted or

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise policed. And I know that there's like social factors too,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, what sort of standard of beauty,

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<v Speaker 1>how a person should dress, these sorts of things, and

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<v Speaker 1>by conforming, you have access to different levels in society

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth. So just share a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>that and what those restrictions mean. Because again, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you see me now, the way that I'm dressed. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even have to wear a shirt most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't my son. Yeah, anyway, So yeah, can share

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about about that, because we do want

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<v Speaker 1>to get your thoughts on this one too.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely, I think that's very valid for me myself. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a younger woman, and there are certain things that I

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<v Speaker 4>cannot wear it to the office because I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>it may be deemed inappropriate or you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>wear braids. I don't have to worry about wearing my

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<v Speaker 4>hair natural like some black women do. And I know

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<v Speaker 4>that they've been ostracized in the workplace or they've been,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in some ways penalized for wearing their hair

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<v Speaker 4>natural for example, or wearing their braids in a certain way.

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<v Speaker 4>And I also have to worry about walking on the

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<v Speaker 4>street and what I'm wearing, right, and especially if I'm

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<v Speaker 4>walking around at night, it can be very scary as

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<v Speaker 4>a young woman, especially if you're by yourself. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>not necessarily policing, but it's kind of a self policing

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<v Speaker 4>mentality right of how I have to keep myself safe.

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<v Speaker 1>But all social police scene, i'd probably i mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I'd probably take it a step further because

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard and this is just from my sister, who

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<v Speaker 1>again is one woman, but she's a woman in my

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<v Speaker 1>life and helped shape my view of these things. One time,

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<v Speaker 1>she was going home from school. I shared this with

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<v Speaker 1>you before Q. She's going home from school and she

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<v Speaker 1>called me. She's at Arizona State just going home and

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to the protesters by the way. She's going

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<v Speaker 1>home and she calls me on the phone. I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio at the time. She's just talking talking. I'm like, hey, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to get back to the radio. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to get back to my show. She said, ma'am's is

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<v Speaker 1>just stay on the phone with me. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>show to do. I'm doing a night show. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a show to do. I got to Ramses, stay on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with me. I'm like, what's up? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, Ramses, have you ever had to walk

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<v Speaker 1>to your car at night as a woman? And then

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<v Speaker 1>she proceeded to say even if something did happen to me,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not dressed a certain way, the police won't

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<v Speaker 1>believe me. Right, And so when you talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>social conformity and the policing of how women dress, those

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<v Speaker 1>sort of artificial influences may have something to do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>at least according to that one story I've heard from

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<v Speaker 1>that one woman. I never want to speak for women.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to be an ally.

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<v Speaker 2>So you use the words policing, and that might make

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<v Speaker 2>people just think police, but you, I think everyone that's

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<v Speaker 2>having this conversation with us today mentioned the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>weaponization of religion and indoctor nation by the right to

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<v Speaker 2>justify the controlling policing and kind of dictatorship with regards

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<v Speaker 2>to women, not just with their autonomy and reproductive rights,

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<v Speaker 2>but how much they can weigh how they dress, the

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<v Speaker 2>style of their hair, how they're perceived by others, appropriate,

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<v Speaker 2>what is appropriate without any critical backlash, because you can't

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<v Speaker 2>come back at it. If it's it's God, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>word of God and the will of the Lord, then

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot even critically oppose them being a woman. And

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<v Speaker 2>that that's kind of a way forgive me for backtracking.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke about. You know, women who kind of organize, vote, elect,

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<v Speaker 2>and speak out against their own best interest. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a mental manipulation to use their beliefs, and they're,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, uncritical beliefs. Because we you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you believe in something, especially with regard to religion, it

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<v Speaker 2>almost can't be challenged. Whatever happens and will be is

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<v Speaker 2>the will of God, right, so there's nothing that you

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<v Speaker 2>can say to oppose it. I know how frustrating it

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<v Speaker 2>is for me, and Ramses gets to feel and hear

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<v Speaker 2>my frustration on our show weekly. That's what we is

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<v Speaker 2>when I see people who should be allies who do

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<v Speaker 2>not stand next to and support us. You guys are

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<v Speaker 2>sitting now with two brothers of yours who you can

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<v Speaker 2>educate not just on what you're up against, want to

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<v Speaker 2>more so on how to show up for you. So

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<v Speaker 2>when using the words policing, I don't want people to

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<v Speaker 2>just think that that's the police. That's society at large,

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<v Speaker 2>that's colleagues, friends, family members. So some advice to some

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<v Speaker 2>men who have no idea. Even this man who was

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<v Speaker 2>raised by a single mother with six sisters, still has

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<v Speaker 2>no idea how it feels to live under that type

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<v Speaker 2>of soul social policing by everyone in your position. What

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<v Speaker 2>is that like on a daily and how do we

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<v Speaker 2>show up for you better or more effectively than we

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<v Speaker 2>have already?

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<v Speaker 4>I can jump in on that one, because things women

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<v Speaker 4>like also are frowned upon. Right. There's no male counterpart

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<v Speaker 4>for what a chick flick is. Right. Action movies and

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<v Speaker 4>adventure movies. They're oh, yeah, The Godfather, Absolutely everybody loves

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<v Speaker 4>that film, right, But we talk about chick flicks and

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, ah, really, oh that's what girls like. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Pumpkin spice lattes also a joke. We're laughing, right, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's proven, like, like they did data and measurements and

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<v Speaker 4>studies and they prove people like pumpkin spice lattes and

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<v Speaker 4>Starbucks makes billions of dollars a year on the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's laughable and why And so I think something

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<v Speaker 4>we can do is take that sh take it back.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, things women like are good. People like women.

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<v Speaker 4>We're half of the like you were saying, we're half

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<v Speaker 4>the population, we're half of the market. That's half of

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<v Speaker 4>the dollars that are raised across the country. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>a laughable thing, So don't laugh at us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, she knew I was going to laugh, and

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<v Speaker 2>she set me up. And as my sister, she should

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<v Speaker 2>be a better ally than she.

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<v Speaker 1>Just did you know. There's something that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>add here to. I was having this conversation earlier today

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<v Speaker 1>with Leanna Taylor, who's on the board of Directors Why Sad,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about chick flicks, and I mentioned to her,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I never really understood that term chick

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<v Speaker 1>flix because men fall in love too. Amen. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least me. If you're a man and you've lived

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<v Speaker 1>your life and you haven't fallen in love, you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it wrong. So so yes, I understand how it is marketed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, coming from someone who the only type of

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<v Speaker 1>movies that don't like are scary movies. Because I like

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<v Speaker 1>to be happy. I like to laugh, so I like

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<v Speaker 1>laughing movies. I like movies that make me think. I

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<v Speaker 1>like love, so I like movies about love, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I never really understood that thing. So just just

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that I wanted to say. Now, listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you brought some notes. Yeah, so why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me? Why don't you educate me and Q

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<v Speaker 1>on some things that we need to know about, and

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<v Speaker 1>in doing so, I think we're going to educate our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So, going back to cues question like how to

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<v Speaker 3>be a bitter ally, we always try to push the

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<v Speaker 3>message message of thinking outside of the norm because we

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<v Speaker 3>we all grew up in society and these social norms.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what we call social norms. Right, We're supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to think and act a certain way. We're not supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to rock the boat. We're not supposed to as a woman,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not supposed to like sports and drink beer and cigars,

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<v Speaker 3>right Like, But what if I do this? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not in the social norms anymore. So when we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about being a better ally, men have to start

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<v Speaker 3>thinking in terms of outside the box as well. What

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<v Speaker 3>is the potential of woman being your ally versus beneath you?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So, all of society, all of history, it's always been

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<v Speaker 3>like this unspoken cast system. Right, you have a man

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<v Speaker 3>at the top, women kind of fall behind, and all

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<v Speaker 3>the messaging, social media, music, news, all that stuff, it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of keeps it going. It keeps feeding our younger

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<v Speaker 3>generation to fall in line and still have the same

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<v Speaker 3>thought process. So as men and you start raising families,

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<v Speaker 3>let's not fall into the social norm your your girl,

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<v Speaker 3>your daughter shouldn't have to go to ballet when she

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<v Speaker 3>wants to be a skateboarder, right, allow her to be

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<v Speaker 3>a skateboarder. So things like that, like think outside the box.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the potential of this female versus your son?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>If your son wants to do ballet, let him do ballet. Ye, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So we always try to say, just try to you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to fall within the social marks. Like we

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<v Speaker 3>can all have our own individual thoughts, our own individual opinions,

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<v Speaker 3>and let's value each other's thoughts and opinions. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the more that we're open to those thoughts and opinions,

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<v Speaker 3>then we start being a little bit more. How do

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<v Speaker 3>I say, embracing of things changing versus no, it has

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<v Speaker 3>to stay in line. And so going back to we

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about politics. You know, it's fear tactics that

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<v Speaker 3>they use. It's going back to gay mentality. You say

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<v Speaker 3>something against what everybody else is saying. They're gonna look

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<v Speaker 3>at you, they can give you a side eye, they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna you know, hey, you aren't supposed to say that

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<v Speaker 3>how about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's another thing that I feel like you can

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<v Speaker 1>touch on before before we're done for today's episode. Talk

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<v Speaker 1>to us about kind of the intersection of structural racism

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<v Speaker 1>and sexism and how fighting one battle influences the other

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, because this is something that's new

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<v Speaker 1>to me and I kind of work in this space.

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<v Speaker 1>We work in this space now, but you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>being from the YWCA, which is like a legit or

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<v Speaker 1>another we just we just talk on a radio and DJs,

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<v Speaker 1>so you guys actually know this stuff and we're learning.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, talk about that intersection and how that

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<v Speaker 1>overlap is something that people need to be aware of

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that it might inspire the thought of

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<v Speaker 1>not only how and where to get involved, but why.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so when we talk about structural racism, there are

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<v Speaker 3>things that have been put in place for centuries, know

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<v Speaker 3>that part, right, And then you start breaking it down

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<v Speaker 3>to identities, and that's where sexism comes into play. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're we're globally the highest country that incarcerates people, right, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>by far by any country, we probably quadruple any other country.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then so then when you talk about that's a

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<v Speaker 3>piece of structural racism. We got to keep people in mind, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And then you talk about women's rights, so those who

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<v Speaker 3>are women are not uh, I know probably is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be coming off some kind of way, but women

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<v Speaker 3>are not incarcerated as much as men are. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like women, and again going back to all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, have been placed behind or beneath a man.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when you talk about sexism, there's always been

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<v Speaker 3>like this entity versus I'm just a fellow human being.

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<v Speaker 3>You're this entity. And so if you're going to start

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<v Speaker 3>saying things, questioning things, what are we going to do

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<v Speaker 3>to counteract that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know it's I want to use the example

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<v Speaker 3>of the maternal ray because that is a form of

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<v Speaker 3>structural racism and sexism on that and then going back

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<v Speaker 3>to the abortion band too, states that have abortion bands

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<v Speaker 3>also have the highest maternal rates.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that disproportionally affects black and brown women.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, And so who's benefiting from that?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>We want to ask who's benefiting from it? And then

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<v Speaker 3>I know, before we started this conversation, you had mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the same people who are pushing abortion bands are the

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<v Speaker 3>same people that were against getting a vaccination.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>My body, my choice. They said, leave it the Q.

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<v Speaker 1>To make to connect those dots. Well, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I will say is that

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<v Speaker 1>we have an election that's coming up, and I heard

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent State of the Union, and I won't

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<v Speaker 1>say what I won't say, Okay, but our current president

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<v Speaker 1>his name is Joe Biden. That's a fact. Feel how

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<v Speaker 1>you feel. But he did say something in his recent

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<v Speaker 1>State of the Union. In its decision to overturn Roe v. Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court majority wrote, women are not without electoral

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<v Speaker 1>or political power, no kidding. Clearly, those ragging about overturning

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<v Speaker 1>Roe v. Wade have no clue about the power of

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<v Speaker 1>women in America, but they found out when reproductive freedom

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<v Speaker 1>was on the ballot. So we'll leave that one right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to thank you for tuning into this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Civic Cipher once again. I've been your host rams

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<v Speaker 1>this job.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am still Q war indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate that because we need you to keep

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<v Speaker 1>on keeping on.

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<v Speaker 2>Just doing what I can do when I can do it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, man, So listen up. Let's uh, but

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<v Speaker 1>before you go, let's give your social media's if you

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<v Speaker 1>have those, So Angela Sawas are you go first?

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<v Speaker 3>You can find me at Huskatura Instagram or Angela Saul's

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<v Speaker 3>are on LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and Marta, why don't you if you feel comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let people know how to keep up with

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<v Speaker 1>you and your your advocacy.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you can follow White w c A at at

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<v Speaker 4>yew C A A Z on every platform.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no right that's good enough for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course you can follow the show at Civic Cipher

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll leave that one right there until next week, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Peace,