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Speaker 1: in Minnesota for joint practices between the Patriots and Vikings.
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Speaker 1: of want to touch base with Evan and get started
Speaker 1: here on the joint practices in Minnesota. The second of
Speaker 1: two just wrapped up, so we'll keep it pretty general.
Speaker 1: Between the two. It kind of sounds like it was
Speaker 1: a tale of two days. Patriots won the day on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Vikings came back, had a much better day today. So
Speaker 1: not trying to avoid the conversation of today. I just
Speaker 1: think we purposely are doing this show later in the week,
Speaker 1: later in the day than we usually do, so we
Speaker 1: can look at the picture as a whole. But just
Speaker 1: to catch anybody up who wasn't following along. Evan, your
Speaker 1: quick summation of what today.
Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, what you just put it a tale of
Speaker 3: two days. I think that's a really fair way to
Speaker 3: point to put it.
Speaker 2: And I think overall, like that's kind of.
Speaker 3: Positive, right that the Patriots were able to win a
Speaker 3: day against a team that won fourteen games last year
Speaker 3: and has aspirations for the playoffs once again here in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: So I still come out of it overall feeling positive. Now,
Speaker 3: with that being said, we have to be honest about
Speaker 3: what we saw out there today, and I don't think
Speaker 3: anybody was too thrilled coming off the practice field with
Speaker 3: how the Patriots played today so offensively to me, at
Speaker 3: the more, if you want to look at the glass full,
Speaker 3: it's that Drake May seemed to carry himself well and
Speaker 3: perform well against a really creative and exotic Brian Flores defense.
Speaker 3: I thought he kept his head and saw the field
Speaker 3: pretty well, which is good to see. No turnovers, no
Speaker 3: uncharacteristic mental errors from Drake May, So that was good
Speaker 3: to see. But the two big things that we talked
Speaker 3: so much about Alex with this offense are receiver separation
Speaker 3: and pass protection. Right, are they going to be able
Speaker 3: to check those two boxes? And I thought today the
Speaker 3: Vikings defense had great coverage, sometimes they had great pass rush,
Speaker 3: and they really were able to control practice.
Speaker 1: The one thing about that and something that stood out
Speaker 1: to me and we talked about after the joint practice
Speaker 1: practice with Washington, was I, you know, it was a
Speaker 1: great day. I don't want to take away from what
Speaker 1: that day was because I think that the team had
Speaker 1: a really good day. I think overall, the offense looked
Speaker 1: better than what you'd probably see if he went back
Speaker 1: and combed through the film, because I think Drake May
Speaker 1: elevated the situation at times, whether that was fitting the
Speaker 1: ball in the tight windows, throwing guys open, creating windows
Speaker 1: where he was placing the ball, whether that was him
Speaker 1: maneuvering in the pocket and being his own best pass protector.
Speaker 1: I felt like that was a theme throughout that day.
Speaker 1: And I know I heard you on with Matt McCarthy
Speaker 1: and Mark Dunderrow on the Sports before this. It sounds
Speaker 1: like Drake May did some more that, maybe more so
Speaker 1: on Wednesday than today, but I think between the two
Speaker 1: days did some more of that.
Speaker 3: In Minnesota, Yeah, I would agree with that, And like
Speaker 3: I said, I thought he just saw the field well
Speaker 3: against a really creative defensive coordinator and a guy that
Speaker 3: even Vrabel talked about more yesterday than today. Just the
Speaker 3: amount of stuff that Brian Flores throws at you the
Speaker 3: front of you know, the multiple fronts and the coverage
Speaker 3: rotations and all the creative stuff that Floras did. So
Speaker 3: the fact that Drake May was mentally able to have
Speaker 3: a grasp on it and stay sharp in that respect
Speaker 3: again was an overwhelming positive. And there weren't couple of
Speaker 3: throws that were close today to Pop Douglas. In particular,
Speaker 3: one that was a drop, a clear drop. One went
Speaker 3: off one of his hands and was maybe a little
Speaker 3: bit in front of him, but I think still could
Speaker 3: have been taught that. If he catches those two passes,
Speaker 3: and there are two big plays that we can look
Speaker 3: back on, maybe that makes us feel a little bit
Speaker 3: more optimistic overall about how the day went. But I
Speaker 3: still feel overall on Thursday that we have conversations now
Speaker 3: about pass protection and maybe not as much about receiver separation.
Speaker 3: Like the big thing that yesterday brought Alex was that
Speaker 3: the Vikings were getting home with the pass rush on
Speaker 3: both days, But yesterday the Patriots had a couple that's
Speaker 3: called him four or five plays where they were able
Speaker 3: to block it and Drake May was able to hang
Speaker 3: in there, and those were big, big plays down the field, right,
Speaker 3: Like I know a lot of people have probably seen
Speaker 3: some of the clips of Trayvon Henderson on the wheel
Speaker 3: route or Matt Collins getting behind the defense, So it
Speaker 3: was almost like two sides that were exchanging haymakers back
Speaker 3: and forth. Whereas today we didn't see as many of
Speaker 3: those punches back by the Patriots offense outside of that
Speaker 3: Kishan Bouti throw at the end of it of practice.
Speaker 3: So I feel like maybe today we saw a little
Speaker 3: bit more of the Vikings defense leaning on them. But
Speaker 3: Drake May, again, I think he handled it pretty well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounded like, I mean maybe some of those
Speaker 1: yesterday were broken plays, which look, you want them taking
Speaker 1: advantage of defensive breakdowns. There were times last year where
Speaker 1: they didn't even do that, So that's encouraging when the
Speaker 1: offensive line did have its tissues, And it should be
Speaker 1: noted no Jared Wilson today, I unless I missed something
Speaker 1: when I was driving here, Evan, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've seen that. There's no update, right, I know he
Speaker 1: was at practice, he left early, but it wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't clearly get injured. He just left and it
Speaker 1: was Ben Brown in for him. Right, I'm not missing
Speaker 1: any part of that story. Okay, So should be noted
Speaker 1: they didn't have their starting left card today, Morgan Moses.
Speaker 1: I believe practice both days, right, correct? So okay, So
Speaker 1: so still five of five one day four or five
Speaker 1: the other Ben Brown was in their left card today
Speaker 1: when it didn't work for the offensive line, in your mind,
Speaker 1: what went wrong? Was it just guys getting powered? Was
Speaker 1: it more of those line games giving them trouble like
Speaker 1: in the game against Washington last week? Like, what what
Speaker 1: were the pros and cons for the offensive line this week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I thought yesterday most of the breakdowns that I saw
Speaker 3: on the offensive line were mental of Flora's just spinning
Speaker 3: the dial upfront and getting free runners to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: And that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: That those scheme brushes, especially from Flora's, that that's going
Speaker 3: to happen today.
Speaker 2: There are probably some more physical.
Speaker 3: Like one on one breakdowns, and really looking at the
Speaker 3: left side of that line with Campbell and Ben Brown,
Speaker 3: And I do wonder here if Wilson does miss any
Speaker 3: sort of time with whatever he's dealing with, is Ben
Speaker 3: Brown entrenched as the top in tier back up? Because
Speaker 3: that's what we found out today a little bit. You
Speaker 3: know that Ben Brown is currently the top interior.
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you that, like what
Speaker 1: does that mean for Cole Strange?
Speaker 2: Right? Like?
Speaker 3: Do we does that hold though? Moving forward? Do they
Speaker 3: give a look to Cole Strange? Do they give a
Speaker 3: look to City sew or Leyden Robinson. I actually think
Speaker 3: Makay Butler has really acclimated himself pretty well, had some
Speaker 3: standout reps in one on one. So is it are
Speaker 3: they set in stone with the five that we've seen
Speaker 3: most of camp and then Ben Brown is that top
Speaker 3: interior backup?
Speaker 2: Is that one hundred percent what it's going to be?
Speaker 3: Because I didn't think that Ben Brown had a great
Speaker 3: day today, So maybe that's the spot that they look
Speaker 3: at and maybe they make a change. But overall, you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the pressure today was the
Speaker 3: Vikings front Dallas Turner Jonathan Grenard certainly had his way
Speaker 3: a little bit with Will Campbell.
Speaker 2: Those were the things that we were seeing out there.
Speaker 1: All right, talk to me about these receivers. It sounds
Speaker 1: like pretty much across the board, the receivers had a
Speaker 1: good week. I didn't see too much about any The
Speaker 1: receiver is not having a great day. The big thing
Speaker 1: to me, my big receiver takeaway from the week, admittedly
Speaker 1: not being there, was that. Mike Vrabel today was asked
Speaker 1: to clarify some comments Todd Downing made on Monday back
Speaker 1: here about with Stefan Diggs. The big thing with him is,
Speaker 1: you know, when he doesn't get the ball, still understanding
Speaker 1: he's doing his job when the volume's not there. And
Speaker 1: we can get to that comment itself if you want.
Speaker 1: I think Diggs is going to get the ball in
Speaker 1: volume in this offense. We've talked about this. He's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be their big sluck guy. But within that answer,
Speaker 1: so Rabel's asked about that comment with he kind of says, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really about the process of this
Speaker 1: time of year, not as much as the results you're
Speaker 1: getting open or you're creating such a separation even if
Speaker 1: the ball is not coming your way, and unprompted, he
Speaker 1: brings up Kyle Williams as an example of that. It
Speaker 1: mentions Kyle Williams has been doing a lot of what
Speaker 1: they like, even if the ball's not coming his way,
Speaker 1: And it sounded like, ironically the ball came his way
Speaker 1: more today after Rabel said that. But like I heard
Speaker 1: that as that's just on the TI off his mind, right,
Speaker 1: guy who's having a good camp even if the production's
Speaker 1: not there. I need an example, Oh, Kyle Williams. So
Speaker 1: I know some people have questioned where has he been
Speaker 1: at The reports have been kind of quiet. It is
Speaker 1: tough when you watch these practices and we can't go
Speaker 1: back over the film to kind of highlight guys that
Speaker 1: aren't maybe around the football as much. And when you
Speaker 1: know it happened in the game, right the game, we
Speaker 1: had that opportunity. We went back, we looked, we talked
Speaker 1: about it. I called it maybe the best game I've
Speaker 1: ever seen a wide receiver play where he didn't catch
Speaker 1: a ball. So that was my big wide receiver takeaway
Speaker 1: just from the week and all that. What about yours?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it's sort of twofold, Like one
Speaker 3: is the roster conversation who's going to make this team?
Speaker 3: And then the other is just how they actually went
Speaker 3: out there and performed in the practices. So I'll start
Speaker 3: with the performance it was. I thought Diggs yesterday, Look,
Speaker 3: this is this is old stomping grounds for him. He
Speaker 3: obviously Minnesota is the team that drafted him, the team
Speaker 3: that traded him.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of you know, there's.
Speaker 3: A lot of feelings I'm sure for Stefon Diggs when
Speaker 3: he comes back here, both positive and negative.
Speaker 2: So he showed out yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yesterday was one of the best days of practice that
Speaker 3: Stefon Diggs has had in my mind since the Patriots,
Speaker 3: since he got to the Patriots.
Speaker 2: So that was really good to see.
Speaker 3: Bob Douglas had his moments, you know, he had a
Speaker 3: couple of drops or the balls go off as hands
Speaker 3: to day that you know, maybe could have been completions,
Speaker 3: but I thought, again, was getting open a decent amount
Speaker 3: on both days, so that's a positive. And then that
Speaker 3: third spot is really currently a battle between MATC Collins
Speaker 3: and Kayshawn Booty as to who's gonna be that true
Speaker 3: outside X receiver for their starting offense. And that dovetails
Speaker 3: into like do they start to have the conversations of
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams potentially competing for that role here soon moving forward.
Speaker 3: So I thought, like you said, it was a better
Speaker 3: day for Kyle Williams, or shouldnt even say better, it
Speaker 3: was a more noticeable day for Kyle Williams.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 3: He caught two passes from Joshua Dobbs, who, by the way,
Speaker 3: Dobbs had.
Speaker 2: A really nice pea.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to that.
Speaker 3: But he caught two passes from Dobbs in red zone,
Speaker 3: one little snag route for a short completion, but a completion,
Speaker 3: and then the other was an incut on the goal
Speaker 3: line for a touchdown. And it was ironic or funny
Speaker 3: that Rabel brought that up today. And then Kyle Williams
Speaker 3: flashed a couple of times in eleven on eleven.
Speaker 2: So a better day for him.
Speaker 3: You know, they were better in sevens than they were
Speaker 3: elevens in terms of the starters. But I did think
Speaker 3: that at times there was some really tight coverage by
Speaker 3: the Vikings and the Patriots. You know, top flight receivers struggled,
Speaker 3: especially in the red zone periods to get separation. Now,
Speaker 3: the last thing I got to mention, because the island
Speaker 3: is expanding for Efton Chisholm.
Speaker 1: Okay, why is it an island? Forton Chism? That is
Speaker 1: a cornerback thing. That is a quarterback thing.
Speaker 2: The island is expanded, but it's not an island.
Speaker 1: He's not a paper. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: People are building houses, people are moving in.
Speaker 2: There's moving truck.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not there. I'm not on the in
Speaker 1: on the inside joke, but like you gotta come up
Speaker 1: with another analogy.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not coming. That's that's the analysess, not a cornerback.
Speaker 1: But I have no idea what that has anything to
Speaker 1: do because that's the the island thing is associated with cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: It always has been, it always will be.
Speaker 2: I I mean, I.
Speaker 3: This is to This is honestly a Bill Simmons thing,
Speaker 3: like Bill Simmons talks about players all the time, like
Speaker 3: he like he's a big, big guy with certain players
Speaker 3: that are under the radar or whatever.
Speaker 2: Afton Chisholm. Regardless you want to get mad, I'm calling
Speaker 2: it an island.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. I just think it's analogy.
Speaker 3: They're actually they're buying land and then they're building houses.
Speaker 2: So if you want some land on ft chishom Island alls, you.
Speaker 3: Better start to purchase right now because it's getting a
Speaker 3: little crowded over there. He he was the best receiver
Speaker 3: with the twoes today by a country. Like the second
Speaker 3: string defense by Minnesota had his hands full with Defton Chisholm.
Speaker 3: Now it's the twos on the twos right, So we're
Speaker 3: not talking about him going up against like a Byron
Speaker 3: Murphy for example, with true starter reps. I don't know
Speaker 3: how we get there because the Digs and Pop Douglas,
Speaker 3: who both had really good camps, especially Pop has really
Speaker 3: emerged as a consistent threat.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you're getting Chisholm.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they have that Edelment Ammondola thing going
Speaker 3: on right where both of them kind of play in
Speaker 3: passing situations. But I'm getting to the point now where
Speaker 3: with Defton Chisholm that I have a hard time in
Speaker 3: envisioning a scenario where he doesn't make this team. Like
Speaker 3: he's playing his way onto the roster, and it just
Speaker 3: seems like he keeps getting better and better every single day.
Speaker 2: You know, we can talk about some of the individual plays.
Speaker 3: I thought the best one that he had was a
Speaker 3: corner route in the back pylon of the end zone
Speaker 3: from Joshua Dobbs Or. Not only did he create a
Speaker 3: window or some separation there, but then he also finished
Speaker 3: through some contact at the catch point. So you see
Speaker 3: some physicality or play strength there to be able to
Speaker 3: shield the catchpoint and finish through contact. He'd separated on
Speaker 3: a wheel route that was more schemed open than it
Speaker 3: was like a great route, but still like his understanding
Speaker 3: of concepts and space and all that good stuff has
Speaker 3: been present.
Speaker 2: He was just he was open.
Speaker 3: You know, he was open consistently throughout the entire practice.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I don't know how they get
Speaker 3: reps for him with Drake May like who had.
Speaker 1: Why do you think he's not running more with the ones?
Speaker 2: Because I think I think that's why.
Speaker 3: Like you know, if you're if you're the one, like
Speaker 3: right now you know digs and is forward of that
Speaker 3: Z roll and pops the slot and like are you
Speaker 3: gonna take Like I guess you could take those guys
Speaker 3: off the field sporadically to give Chisholm. You know some
Speaker 3: sprinkled in one reps, right, but it's hard. I think
Speaker 3: it's I don't think that they are in a spot
Speaker 3: yet with him where he's better than those guys. So
Speaker 3: I hear you like, it's in interesting and I would
Speaker 3: love to see it. I would love to see him
Speaker 3: with the ones to maybe get it, just to get
Speaker 3: a look at how he does that's a.
Speaker 1: Position, just to get a look. And we were here
Speaker 1: for Jakobe Myers when he was a UDFA and he
Speaker 1: did this and it would like it looked good and
Speaker 1: he was beating the twos, but it didn't really become
Speaker 1: real until suddenly he's out there catching passes from Brady
Speaker 1: and it was Okay, this is the real deal. And look,
Speaker 1: Ultimately that wide receiver room did not amount to being much,
Speaker 1: but it was crowded. It was crowded, just like this
Speaker 1: one is. So I'm not saying toism's not gonna make
Speaker 1: the team. I think he is. I just like to
Speaker 1: kind of see him start one, see him against the
Speaker 1: top corner, se him against Marcus Jols, right, and just
Speaker 1: start building that chemistry with Drake may. I think that's
Speaker 1: important too. Is seven wide receivers in play for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it asked to me because I thought Jayvon
Speaker 3: Baker had another nice day today too, you know, I
Speaker 3: thought he made some plays two the two's like really
Speaker 3: as much as I had concerns about the ones, and
Speaker 3: I know we all really only care about the ones,
Speaker 3: but the twos hadn't had a much better day than
Speaker 3: the ones today if you're looking for positives, and Jay
Speaker 3: Von Baker made a couple plays. He's been consistently contributing
Speaker 3: on special teams, and they're making a lot out of
Speaker 3: the fact that he's contributing so much on special teams.
Speaker 3: So that's a big element to that as well. So
Speaker 3: I do think that you're in the conversation now maybe
Speaker 3: keeping seven wide receivers.
Speaker 2: I'm with you though on Chishlm.
Speaker 3: Like I, it's to the point now with Chishm where
Speaker 3: they have to start to think about sprinkling some reps
Speaker 3: with Drake May and maybe after this practice today, if
Speaker 3: he has another preseason game like he had against Washington,
Speaker 3: we go back to Foxborough next week and efton Chishlm
Speaker 3: is running with some with the ones, right, I could
Speaker 3: see that totally happening. But it's it's been impressive to
Speaker 3: watch his really that Commander's preseason game. I feel like
Speaker 3: the light kind of came on right, he had a
Speaker 3: decent game. He had some in the second half of
Speaker 3: that game, and then this week he's just been Joshua
Speaker 3: Dobbs's go to guy on that second unit.
Speaker 2: So I could definitely see that.
Speaker 1: So it was funny if Abel was asked before practice
Speaker 1: if there could be a battle for the second quarterback job.
Speaker 1: He kind of shot it down, Like he didn't entirely
Speaker 1: close the door. He kind of shot it down. But
Speaker 1: I think it was interesting he was asked that and
Speaker 1: then josh Dobbs comes out. I'm not saying like Josh
Speaker 1: jobs hurt it and got motivated, but.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure in the meeting rooms, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, good day for Josh Dobbs, which I think
Speaker 1: he kind of needed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Else, we're on the Travon Hendr like just Trayvon Henderson.
Speaker 1: That's how real is this. He's been awesome this summer.
Speaker 1: We've seen player and I don't I'm not wishing this
Speaker 1: on or anything. We've seen players have great summers and
Speaker 1: then not you not one hundred percent translate, but this
Speaker 1: one feels pretty real, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, under I mean Alex for getting old says, our
Speaker 2: is our eighth training camp.
Speaker 1: Well you're seventh because you were back and forth to
Speaker 1: New York in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: I was mostly here eighth training camp and the this
Speaker 3: is the best skill player that I've seen them get
Speaker 3: through the draft in my time easily covering this team
Speaker 3: and your boys on on the sports ub today. I
Speaker 3: think it was Don Daro asked me, like, when's the
Speaker 3: last Like since when?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Like we know it's it's the best skill player they've
Speaker 3: drafted in the last four or five years, But like
Speaker 3: how far back are we really going? And when you
Speaker 3: start to think about it, like do you have to
Speaker 3: go all the way back to the Grand Crenandez draft,
Speaker 3: Like do you have to go that far back?
Speaker 2: Like you might?
Speaker 3: I mean, so, the one thing he's special talent, Like
Speaker 3: he's a special like his speed is different, he's physical,
Speaker 3: his past protection is unbelievably good. He's I just don't
Speaker 3: really have anything that I look at him as a
Speaker 3: running back besides the fact that he's not you know,
Speaker 3: the size of like a Derek Henry right, Like he's
Speaker 3: not a big back, yeah, but for the skill set
Speaker 3: that he has, like that he's he's big enough and
Speaker 3: he's strong enough. I'm just running out of reasons to
Speaker 3: not think that this is real, or I think it's
Speaker 3: just different because he just looks different.
Speaker 1: I think so I heard that question, is like impact
Speaker 1: from a rookie as a whole in their rookie year. Ironically,
Speaker 1: my mind went to Jack Jones because he had a
Speaker 1: decent year as a rookie. But I mean, going back
Speaker 1: before that, you talk about impact in his rookie year,
Speaker 1: Sony and not Sony Michelle. Ramandra Stevenson in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one had a pretty good rookie year. But then you
Speaker 1: go back, like Sony down the stretch that's twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and then before that, you know, is it if we're
Speaker 1: just doing any rookie I think it's Chandler Jones and
Speaker 1: Dante hi Toower.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In terms of thinking, yeah, right, I was a skill position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're probably going that far back. I mean,
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle had an impact. I would say he had
Speaker 1: a pretty significant impact. It was different because he wasn't
Speaker 1: a big play threat, right, but he had a tremendous
Speaker 1: impact on that team. You can't say he didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an impact.
Speaker 3: For sure, but I would just you mentioned it just there,
Speaker 3: like it's the big plays, right, you know. Even today,
Speaker 3: which wasn't a great day for the offense. You know,
Speaker 3: they were working out of maybe from like the ten
Speaker 3: to twelve yard line, and they opened up a little
Speaker 3: bit of a crease for him on an outside zone
Speaker 3: run and he just exploded through the hole and just
Speaker 3: ran right into the end zone. It was like the
Speaker 3: cleanest run that they probably had over the two days.
Speaker 3: And you just see the speed. You know, the wheel
Speaker 3: route's going to get a lot of attention. But there
Speaker 3: was actually a play earlier on a similar kind of
Speaker 3: route where he had a defender on him and he
Speaker 3: was able to go up and get the ball and
Speaker 3: finish through some contact. At his size, he's got ability
Speaker 3: to win at the catch point as well. And then
Speaker 3: the pass protection, like I mentioned before, he had he's
Speaker 3: had some ridiculous pass protection reps over the last two days.
Speaker 3: He took a guide today that kind of was jumping,
Speaker 3: you know, in the air to try to back down
Speaker 3: and Drake may pass and traveon Henderson. They all, you know,
Speaker 3: with offensive lineman, they always say punish jumpers, right if
Speaker 3: the guy's gonna jump in the air, then you should
Speaker 3: get your hands on him and you should throw him
Speaker 3: to the ground one hundred and whatever ninety five pounds.
Speaker 3: Travion Henderson takes a linebacker who's jumping in the air
Speaker 3: and just throws him down into the ground, and like
Speaker 3: you're just like, this guy is just he's just really
Speaker 3: good at football.
Speaker 2: He's just a really good football player.
Speaker 3: Now, it's practice, it's preseason, like all those things aside,
Speaker 3: but you can see it, like you can you know
Speaker 3: the difference. And frankly, like we've seen skill players that
Speaker 3: they've drafted early that don't have that kind of juice,
Speaker 3: and we know what that looks like. Probably a little
Speaker 3: bit too much, right, Like, we know what that looks
Speaker 3: like a little bit too much on the flip side
Speaker 3: of this. So when you see a guy like Trevion
Speaker 3: Henderson do what he does, you can tell that it's different.
Speaker 1: Anything else on the offense from you from the the
Speaker 1: last couple of days.
Speaker 3: I would you know, the tight end position was a
Speaker 3: little quiet, I thought.
Speaker 1: Yesterday west the top full deck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jack Westover was still in there.
Speaker 3: He's Jack Westover's usage is actually kind of interesting for
Speaker 3: us nerds because he's with the ones, he's running at
Speaker 3: full back, and then they're also still sprinkling in some
Speaker 3: tight end you know, pure tight end reps with the two's,
Speaker 3: so they maybe have a plan or a role in
Speaker 3: mind for Jack Westover. I could see that sticking. And
Speaker 3: you know, Hunter Henry didn't practice yesterday.
Speaker 2: He was back today.
Speaker 3: Him and Hooper caught some touchdowns in red zone that
Speaker 3: were probably some of the better eleven on eleven plays
Speaker 3: that the Patriots had today, So that that was good
Speaker 3: to see. I go back to the offensive line though,
Speaker 3: because it's just such a sticking point.
Speaker 2: For this team.
Speaker 3: I just think everything for them offensively starts an end
Speaker 3: with the ends.
Speaker 2: With the line.
Speaker 3: I think Drake may is gonna be good. I think
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels is gonna get guys open if they're able
Speaker 3: to block, if they're able to hold up up front.
Speaker 3: McDaniel's gonna scheme it up like he'll get guys separation,
Speaker 3: He'll get guys open. He'll use play action, he'll use picks,
Speaker 3: he'll use stacks and bunches, he'll use motion like, he'll
Speaker 3: do different things to help these receivers get off the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and get open. I have no doubt
Speaker 3: about that. I think the questions that you just have
Speaker 3: are really the middle of the line. You know, how
Speaker 3: does that solidify itself? Garrett Bradbury, Jared Wilson or wherever
Speaker 3: he's at left guard, and then Campbell? You know Campbell today?
Speaker 3: You know Grenard, Grenard had the advantage. You know, there's
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. You know, some of these sacks
Speaker 3: you don't know right, Like he kind of taps Drake
Speaker 3: May on the way by, Like what do you have
Speaker 3: sacked him in a game?
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 3: But that's really where I'm at, And it's kind of
Speaker 3: like where I've just been at, I guess, And really
Speaker 3: it's where just keep going in circles with this with
Speaker 3: the offensive line that it's It's just that's the sticking point.
Speaker 3: If they can block consistently, then I think they're gonna
Speaker 3: to be a pretty good offense.
Speaker 1: Just real quick on westover to go back. I actually
Speaker 1: talked to Thomas Brown on Monday about him, and he
Speaker 1: said one of the things that stood out to him
Speaker 1: is that versatility, the ability to play full back and
Speaker 1: play why and play f tight end. So if you're
Speaker 1: the Patriots, Right, and you want to keep a third
Speaker 1: tight end and you want to keep a full back, Well,
Speaker 1: Westover maybe saves you a roster spot because if he
Speaker 1: can do both, well, now, maybe that's where the seventh
Speaker 1: wide receiver comes from, or that's where a tenth offensive
Speaker 1: lineman comes from, or another corner or something like that.
Speaker 1: And look, when you want to go super heavy, right
Speaker 1: and you want three tight ends and the fullback, you
Speaker 1: just put Caden Wallace whoever, up on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and he begins your third tight end. So I
Speaker 1: think Westover's probably and I don't Again, I haven't been
Speaker 1: there this week, so you we're gonna have to fill
Speaker 1: in the blank blank. From the last two days, it
Speaker 1: feels like Westover's going to make the team and be
Speaker 1: the fullback. At least that's what it felt like to
Speaker 1: me before they left for Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think that that's where we're at now.
Speaker 3: The question that I have with Westover is the fullback
Speaker 3: not on the roster?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is there a waiver a guy that gets placed on
Speaker 3: waivers or cut on cutdown day?
Speaker 2: Does a team not that they.
Speaker 3: Were going to have a traditional fullback and then they
Speaker 3: got into camp and realized that they kind of wanted
Speaker 3: to pivotwa pivot away from a traditional fullback, and you
Speaker 3: could trade for one or just acquire one somehow from
Speaker 3: a different avenue because Westover's had some good blocks. He
Speaker 3: caught a team touchdown from Joshua Dobbs in the one
Speaker 3: minute drill to end practice today. That was a nice moment.
Speaker 3: So it's not that he has no plus plays or highlights,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it to think about. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if, like I had on my Bengo card,
Speaker 3: that Jack Westover was going to make this team. And
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that it's like an Efting Chisholm
Speaker 3: situation where he's really just coming on strong to make
Speaker 3: the roster.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: But your point about his versatility is really what it
Speaker 3: is is if he can do that, if he can
Speaker 3: kind of be a jack of all trades, then that
Speaker 3: might be enough.
Speaker 1: Again, we'll go We'll go pretty phone and email heavy
Speaker 1: today eight five five, pass, five hundred. I want to
Speaker 1: hit on a couple more things from the joint practice.
Speaker 1: I also realized we haven't had a show since the game,
Speaker 1: so we should probably talk.
Speaker 2: A little bit about that. That's true.
Speaker 1: I know how tough it is with these joint practices
Speaker 1: when they're on two fields at once and he can't
Speaker 1: watch everything, and it sounds like you're watching mostly the offense.
Speaker 1: So all just like like big picture thoughts on the defense.
Speaker 1: It sounded like they had a better day yesterday than today.
Speaker 1: How much did JJ McCarthy suck? Like, what'd you see
Speaker 1: from that unit?
Speaker 3: So I wish I could report that JJ McCarthy had
Speaker 3: two terrible days.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding, but I you know, we both.
Speaker 1: I know he had won. I know from seeing the reports,
Speaker 1: I know he had one.
Speaker 3: Felt about JJ McCarthy he had a good day today
Speaker 3: all by all accounts, And I'm comparing notes with Deuce
Speaker 3: and other people that were watching defense. It wasn't it
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot, right, but everybody that had two people here,
Speaker 3: it felt like they divided and conquered over the last
Speaker 3: couple of days.
Speaker 2: But I would you look at the defense.
Speaker 3: I think there was some pressure on McCarthy, which is
Speaker 3: good to hear. You know, Christian Barmore was back out
Speaker 3: there today. Sounded like early on in the practice he
Speaker 3: was able to get some pressures and get in the backfield.
Speaker 3: Yesterday it was Landry and Williams that were sort of
Speaker 3: ups or stars of the day on the defensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball getting in the backfield. So it does
Speaker 3: sound like, even though McCarthy kind of you know, punched
Speaker 3: back today, so to speak, that the defense and the
Speaker 3: pressure had was impactful or noticeable. I think the things
Speaker 3: that defensively that were you know, there are things that
Speaker 3: just stir on my mind and I want to well,
Speaker 3: let's go one at a time, because I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot to unpack. The biggest thing that's on my
Speaker 3: mind right now is how they're going to cover tight ends? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I don't just mean that who's going to cover
Speaker 3: the tight end? I mean literally how like, what's the
Speaker 3: game plan, what's the scheme, what's the x's and knows
Speaker 3: of how they're going to go about covering tight ends
Speaker 3: in this defense because we knew with Belichick man to
Speaker 3: man defense, they had those tight end stopps, you know,
Speaker 3: the safety hybrids that they would use a lot on
Speaker 3: the tight ends. But in this camp and these joint practices,
Speaker 3: even going back to the one in Foxborough with the
Speaker 3: commanders that you can speak to more with Ertz, like
Speaker 3: Ertz has given them problems last week, and Howkinson has
Speaker 3: given them problems this week. And we all know who's
Speaker 3: coming here week one with the Las Vegas Raiders and
Speaker 3: brought Bowers. So I want to get to ahead of
Speaker 3: ourselves to start talking about week one.
Speaker 2: But how are they going to cover them? What's the
Speaker 2: schematic wrinkles?
Speaker 3: And who is equipped in this defensive back room to
Speaker 3: cover them? Because yesterday they primarily put Jabriel Peppers on TJ.
Speaker 3: Hockinson and that didn't go so well. Today it sounded
Speaker 3: like it was a lot of Marcus Jones on TJ.
Speaker 3: Howkinson and that didn't go particularly well either. So what
Speaker 3: are they doing there?
Speaker 1: So there were two things I want to ask them.
Speaker 1: They both kind of relate to this. What it was
Speaker 1: Carl Davis more involved.
Speaker 2: Today, Yes, the outside?
Speaker 1: How did he look? Does he look healthy? Does he
Speaker 1: look good?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He looks he looks normal. He looks like Carlton Davis.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't think that his guys were really
Speaker 3: the primary guys honestly, and I don't mean to pick
Speaker 3: on him, but the guy that that really got picked on,
Speaker 3: which kind of is my second thing here, was Marcus Jones.
Speaker 3: You know, Marcus Jones was the one that they were
Speaker 3: really targeting.
Speaker 1: But but one of these things, well, so okay, and
Speaker 1: I want to get back to that. And there's another
Speaker 1: part of this that we need to mention too, obviously
Speaker 1: if you're we'll get to him. Was this because this
Speaker 1: happens with Marcus Jones every once in a while. Did
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones struggle because he was out of position and
Speaker 1: he was getting beat on leverage and he wasn't reading
Speaker 1: routes right? Or did Marcus Jones struggle because he's five
Speaker 1: eight and they're asking him the guys to they're asking
Speaker 1: him to cover guys that are six five because the
Speaker 1: second one, okay, so that one doesn't bother me. Just
Speaker 1: and look, I like Marcus Jones. He's a good player,
Speaker 1: and I think he plays with tremendous physicality for his size.
Speaker 1: I do, It's part of what makes I'm a good player.
Speaker 1: There's still a limitation to that in terms of height.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when they had him, I think it
Speaker 1: was twenty two. Was it twenty one or twenty two? Well,
Speaker 1: he was in the twenty two drafts, It wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been twenty one. The Bengals came here in like November,
Speaker 1: and they had him covering T Higgins and he was
Speaker 1: on T Higgins for most of the game, but they
Speaker 1: just started throwing T Higgins jump balls and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean they both have elite verticals.
Speaker 1: You start at six' five versus started five to, eight
Speaker 1: one guy's gonna. Win so that that doesn't bother me so.
Speaker 1: Much Like Marcus jones shouldn't be covering tight. Ends you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be asked to be doing that just size. Wise
Speaker 1: it's not a. Fit Carlton davis could be an. Answer
Speaker 1: the other guy who probably is not an answer here
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen this, camp BUT i wonder
Speaker 1: if he was supposed to be a part of the
Speaker 1: answer to that question and it hasn't worked, out Is
Speaker 1: kyle Dugger and for people who have missed, It Kyle
Speaker 1: duggar's running with the twos today With Jabrill peppers, out
Speaker 1: it sounds like he was still with the twos and
Speaker 1: it was Del pettis moving, up if that's. Correct, Devan
Speaker 1: was that the, Case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that was the.
Speaker 6: Case.
Speaker 1: Yeah like With, douger let me be, clear, boy that
Speaker 1: they're Not douger's usage is not reflected of a player
Speaker 1: who's outright. Cut that, Is AND i don't mean to
Speaker 1: pick on the guy because you, Know i'm a fan of.
Speaker 1: His That Anthony jennings is being used like a player
Speaker 1: who's not gonna make the. Team Avery jennings is on
Speaker 1: the scout. Team that's. It he played till the end
Speaker 1: of the preseason. Game, like that's indicative of a player
Speaker 1: who they don't play. On keep picking. AROUND i hope
Speaker 1: they can trade. Him it would really suck to have
Speaker 1: to cut a player that has his talent but he's
Speaker 1: not a fit for the. Defense, FINE i get. It you,
Speaker 1: know maybe you can find him a, Role BUT i get.
Speaker 1: It Kyle duggar is being used like a bubble. Player
Speaker 1: Kyle dugger's being used like a player who's you, know
Speaker 1: if you were to rank the roster one to ninety
Speaker 1: fifty three guys make, it he's probably fifty four to fifty,
Speaker 1: five fifty, six, right so or fit between fifty and fifty,
Speaker 1: six just on or just. Off what complicates it is
Speaker 1: he's on a fourteen million dollar contract that they really
Speaker 1: don't save a lot of money this. Year if they cut,
Speaker 1: him they save, money they trade, him they save money
Speaker 1: for the. Future but you could also cut him after
Speaker 1: this year and still save that. Money so do you
Speaker 1: keep a fourteen million dollar? Woid essentially would be a,
Speaker 1: Backup and there are some questions that go into. That
Speaker 1: how would he handle? That you, know what are your other?
Speaker 1: Options so JUST i guess putting that all on the.
Speaker 1: Table what have you seen For kyle From Kyle, Duggart
Speaker 1: where do you think this? Goes?
Speaker 3: WELL i would just take From Kyle, DUGGART i would
Speaker 3: just Take Michael mike rabel At fay's value here when
Speaker 3: he says it's. Sad his answer yesterday to The dugger, question,
Speaker 3: yeah was that it's mostly, mental, right it's, system it's
Speaker 3: a scheme. Change and even though there's a different coach
Speaker 3: here last, Year Kyle duggar has only ever been in
Speaker 3: The belichick defense since he got. Drafted so when he
Speaker 3: comes in here and now he's in a whole new
Speaker 3: defense and he's learning not to pick on where he
Speaker 3: went to. School But Leonora ryan was probably not running
Speaker 3: AN nfl, defense, Right and so like we're really talking
Speaker 3: About Kyle DUGGER'S nfl experience all being in The belichick,
Speaker 3: playbook and now you put this new defense in which
Speaker 3: is a lot more split, safety it's a lot more quarters.
Speaker 3: Based there is still Manton, man but it's just. Different
Speaker 3: and so the guys that are getting, Run Craig, Woodson Jalen,
Speaker 3: howkins like those guys are pure free.
Speaker 2: Safeties they're. PRIORITY i Think.
Speaker 1: Craig woodson's a pure free safety or more of a,
Speaker 1: TWEENER i, see it's.
Speaker 2: MORE i think he's a pure free.
Speaker 1: Safety SO i think would you put him on tight
Speaker 1: ends Or?
Speaker 3: NO i don't think, so BECAUSE i think the biggest
Speaker 3: issue that they had With hockinson.
Speaker 2: Today, hey and.
Speaker 3: And maybe you KNOW i watched a little bit more
Speaker 3: of it today than, yesterday is that it's not that
Speaker 3: they're guys that there are covering him are getting. Dusted
Speaker 3: it's catch points, stuff, Right And Greig woodson doesn't have
Speaker 3: a great length and armspan, Either so like that's the
Speaker 3: biggest issue is, that you, Know Marcus, jones you mentioned
Speaker 3: the five foot eight. Thing it's not just that he's
Speaker 3: only five foot, eight it's also that his reach just isn't.
Speaker 3: Great so when he gets on the back of a
Speaker 3: tight end and the tight end is just able to
Speaker 3: just box him. Out like it's not even about, elevation
Speaker 3: it's also just about catch, point you, know ability to
Speaker 3: reach into the cookie.
Speaker 2: Jar there and get the ball when he's.
Speaker 3: Targeted SO i just look at this like schematically to
Speaker 3: talk about it From max's nose, Standpoint is it just
Speaker 3: as simple as when you face a really good tight
Speaker 3: end like A hockinson or like A, bowers that you
Speaker 3: have a primary man to man, defender but you also
Speaker 3: are either bracketing, him or you have robber help or
Speaker 3: low hule, help or he's playing off of help to
Speaker 3: the middle of the field so that it's helping him
Speaker 3: take away certain routes and he can just kind of
Speaker 3: focus on covering the seams and covering you know that
Speaker 3: type of. Thing, Right we've seen that in the past With,
Speaker 3: belichick that he would do that against you, know number,
Speaker 3: ones you, know really good. Receivers but then like the
Speaker 3: other side of that is is when they go in
Speaker 3: against an offense that has you, know other playmakers where
Speaker 3: you might not be able to commit all those resources
Speaker 3: to covering a tight, end and then there's really one
Speaker 3: on one matchups with the tight, end, Right, like then
Speaker 3: what do you do because, right now Like ERT's last,
Speaker 3: week it was kind Of Kyle, dugger and that's sort
Speaker 3: of what started this whole thing With Kyle. DUGGER i
Speaker 3: think is That ERT's had a lot of connections With
Speaker 3: Jayden daniels in the joint practice with The. Commanders you,
Speaker 3: know this, Week conkinson has picked on some guys. Too
Speaker 3: so my, QUESTION i guess to you and just to
Speaker 3: for the sake of, conversation like Because Alex austin get
Speaker 3: into this mix at some, point maybe like that's the
Speaker 3: only other guy THAT i can think, of because you're
Speaker 3: gonna Have Christian gonzalez And Carlton davis as your primary.
Speaker 2: Corners Alex austin's had a nice.
Speaker 3: CAMP i think he's AN nfl. CORNER i think he's
Speaker 3: a third corner in this. League but maybe in order
Speaker 3: to get him on the field and to get some
Speaker 3: size on those tight, ends like maybe you could not fully,
Speaker 3: convert like you can still play some outside, corner but
Speaker 3: maybe in certain game, Plans Alex austen is the guy
Speaker 3: that on third down is covering the tight.
Speaker 1: End, well, look If rabel comes from that That belichick,
Speaker 1: background where we Know bill would look at elite tight
Speaker 1: ends and treat them like wide. Receivers he called them wide.
Speaker 1: Receivers so is it you're Calling Alex austin a safeter
Speaker 1: or is it you're calling Brock bauers a wide, receiver
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think it might be more of the. Latter and,
Speaker 1: YEAH i MEAN i don't Hate Alex austen as a
Speaker 1: tight end, stopper you, know with. HELP i think with The,
Speaker 1: raiders and we've talked about, this you can probably Use
Speaker 1: Carlton davis because they don't have the wide receiver depth right.
Speaker 1: Now you, know when you play The steelers and they
Speaker 1: HAVE Dk metcalf and why AM i blanking on their
Speaker 1: other outside?
Speaker 3: Guy it's Not George pickens.
Speaker 1: Anymore, NO i know it's. Not that's WHAT i almost.
Speaker 2: Said we're we're both playing king on it at the.
Speaker 2: Moment keep. Talking i'll.
Speaker 1: LOOK i almost Said Matthew golden BECAUSE i REMEMBER i
Speaker 1: Mocked Matthew golden to, them and that would have been
Speaker 1: a sneaky fun pick if they'd done.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 3: Yeah so the reason why we can't think of it
Speaker 3: is because it's, like it's not.
Speaker 1: Great they don't really have. Anybody, YEAH i thought they
Speaker 1: had another.
Speaker 3: Guy all, Right Robert WOODS i, Mean i'm A Roman wilson,
Speaker 3: guy but he's more of a.
Speaker 1: Whoever whoever they face that has a good tight end
Speaker 1: and two outside, guys, Right like then maybe It's Alex.
Speaker 1: AUSTIN i still don't Hate Carlton davison in that. Role you,
Speaker 1: know has anybody thrown out The Carlton davis that keep
Speaker 1: to leap comp? Yet or AM i the first ye to?
Speaker 3: Do AND i do agree with, that but like if
Speaker 3: they if you play a team AND i know it's
Speaker 3: not every team that's built this, way and and Justin
Speaker 3: jefferson wasn't practicing today but or, Yesterday but like the
Speaker 3: WAY i think about thought about it with This vikings,
Speaker 3: Matchup like if you're playing The vikings in a regular
Speaker 3: season game and their offense was fully, healthy you Have
Speaker 3: jefferson And, addison, Right so like you're not going to
Speaker 3: put That dollas Or davis On. Hockinson but how many
Speaker 3: of those teams are they going to? FACE i mean
Speaker 3: in the, division you at least Have, miami, right you.
Speaker 1: Know miami is Different. Miami you can Use Marcus jones
Speaker 1: on the. Outside, yeah that's, Fair so that frees Up
Speaker 1: Carlton davis that's.
Speaker 3: FAIR i, yeah it's JUST i guess it's more like
Speaker 3: it's two. Full it's a blind spot to, ME i
Speaker 3: think in terms of how this scheme handles tight ends in,
Speaker 3: general because we were so accustomed to how they did
Speaker 3: it Under belichick THAT i still don't one hundred percent
Speaker 3: have a great feel for what they want to. Do you, know, practices,
Speaker 3: practice like they're running their base coverages and things like.
Speaker 3: That they're not going to like game PLAN. Tj hockinson
Speaker 3: for a joint. Practice so that's one.
Speaker 1: Thing so just real quick to go through. It Like,
Speaker 1: raiders No, dolphins No, steelers No. Panthers, no they don't
Speaker 1: have like they don't have in, McMillan even we don't
Speaker 1: know what he's going to. Be The bills don't have
Speaker 1: to elite outside. Guys they do have a good tight
Speaker 1: BUT i think you Can Carl davis on tight. End There,
Speaker 1: saints No, titans No, brown's No, falcons probably. Not who's
Speaker 1: their guy Opposite london at this.
Speaker 2: Point, Oh Darnell. Mooney he's a good, player.
Speaker 1: Yeah but he you can Put Marcus jones On Darnell. Mooney,
Speaker 1: Yeah like just for the, Record So, tampa Although. Tampa
Speaker 1: Who's Tampas titan is still, Uh Who's Tampas?
Speaker 2: Titan?
Speaker 3: Oh oh, man we're really quizzing ourselves right now on THE.
Speaker 1: I, MEAN i know most of. THESE i feel good about.
Speaker 1: It most of THESE i have off the. Time it's
Speaker 1: THE nfc teams that tripped me. Up So tampa has
Speaker 1: the two great outside, guys but they're starting Tight, okay
Speaker 1: It's Kate. AUGHTON i don't know WHY i Thought Kate
Speaker 1: aughton was like older than. That Kate hughton's only twenty,
Speaker 1: six WHILE i thought he'd been there for a few
Speaker 1: years When brady got. THERE i guess not like you're
Speaker 1: not worried About Kate aughton like you're worried about Brock.
Speaker 1: Bauers so that's one where they have the two outside,
Speaker 1: guys but you're not worried about what's going on at tight.
Speaker 1: End The jets know The. Bengals maybe if everybody's healthy
Speaker 1: at that, point because you're gonna Have obviously there are
Speaker 1: two big guys on the, Outside yoshavas and the, slot
Speaker 1: and They're gasiki's been good for this, Solved so, Okay
Speaker 1: november twenty, third you got to come up with a
Speaker 1: plan By thanksgiving, basically and Then Giants. Bills The ravens
Speaker 1: would be another, one and then The jets and The.
Speaker 1: Dolphins so you have two games where this kind of
Speaker 1: layout might actually be a problem three if you want
Speaker 1: to count The bucks if you're a big fan Of Kate.
Speaker 1: Otten none of those games are Till, november so it
Speaker 1: is something to figure, out like in the short, term,
Speaker 1: Though i'm Not i'm not against putting carl And i'm
Speaker 1: sure we missed one of people yells yell at us
Speaker 1: in the, comments but there's clearly not that, MANY i
Speaker 1: think for a good amount of the. Season if you're
Speaker 1: worried about facing an elite tight, end you can Move
Speaker 1: Carlton davis inside or not, inside but against the tight,
Speaker 1: end and some of those tight ends line up on the.
Speaker 1: Boundary and, yeah when you get To november twenty third
Speaker 1: and you're playing The, Bengals i'm sure we'll talk a
Speaker 1: lot about it on that. Show hopefully by that, point
Speaker 1: Either Kyle duggar's figured out the defense Or Craig woodson
Speaker 1: has shown you some more chops in coverage or. Whatever right,
Speaker 1: Something it's a long. Season things. Happen just to put a.
Speaker 1: Ball on the, conversation, though what do you think ultimately
Speaker 1: happens With Kyle.
Speaker 2: Dugger, YEAH i don't.
Speaker 3: Know it's it's an expensive, backup, RIGHT i, mean if
Speaker 3: that's the role for, him, yeah but it.
Speaker 1: Is but they there's not this massive crunch for roster,
Speaker 1: Spots like he still is probably one of the fifty
Speaker 1: three best players on the, team and they have the cap.
Speaker 2: Space SO i.
Speaker 1: Think the biggest Thing they're not a team that's prohibited
Speaker 1: from keeping expensive.
Speaker 3: Backup SO i think that the thing THAT i see
Speaker 3: With Kyle duggart that first of, all just off off
Speaker 3: the top Of Kyle, dugger, Like i'm A Kyle dugger.
Speaker 2: GUY i kind of have been an apologiest for him
Speaker 2: over the last couple of.
Speaker 3: Years he's had highs and high highs and low lows at.
Speaker 2: Times you, know he does give up plays and, coverage
Speaker 2: but when.
Speaker 3: He's at his, best he's makes a handful of just,
Speaker 3: dynamic splast plays on the, ball and that those can
Speaker 3: be really. Valuable you, KNOW i will always go back
Speaker 3: to him jumping that screen against The raiders and just
Speaker 3: walking into the end, Zone like those types of plays
Speaker 3: that he would make or were rare Plays but the
Speaker 3: thing With Kyle, dugger in my, mind is a combination
Speaker 3: of is his athleticism sapped by that injury last year
Speaker 3: and he's not all the way back because this was
Speaker 3: an explosive, Athlete like he was a great combine tester coming.
Speaker 3: Out he was an explosive athlete for the first couple
Speaker 3: of years of his career until last year when he was,
Speaker 3: hurt AND i thought he was gonna come back and
Speaker 3: be the guy that we saw two years, ago, hopefully
Speaker 3: and he just.
Speaker 2: Hasn't he doesn't move as well right? Now? Now is
Speaker 2: that also like long witted, answer but, like is that also? Mental?
Speaker 3: Right is it also that he's not protesting the game
Speaker 3: quick enough because of this this scheme change and the
Speaker 3: difference in the, Defense like that's also possible, Too SO
Speaker 3: i just, wonder you, know you brought Up Anthony. JENNINGS
Speaker 3: i feel a similar way About Jelanni, Tovai like Is kyle?
Speaker 3: Hurt that's IT'S i, know BUT i But i'm also
Speaker 3: just thinking about, like, like is it is A Jelawnie
Speaker 3: devis style.
Speaker 1: LINEBACKER i get what you're, Saying, okay a fit in this?
Speaker 3: Defense like does that does do they have a role
Speaker 3: for that kind of player in this defense.
Speaker 1: As a, backup, probably but it's not a significant.
Speaker 2: ROLE i don't know.
Speaker 3: WHERE i don't know If Kyle dugger is a schematic
Speaker 3: fit in the defense that they want to. Run and
Speaker 3: maybe that's not a this year thing because you can't
Speaker 3: turn over the entire roster in one offseason and you're
Speaker 3: gonna have guys that are going to be holdovers from
Speaker 3: a different.
Speaker 2: Scheme but it just long.
Speaker 3: TERM i look At Kyle dugger and, say maybe this
Speaker 3: just isn't it's not the right defense for.
Speaker 1: Him, YEAH i get trust did roster turnover things? Big
Speaker 1: i've been playing madd and it's hard to get the
Speaker 1: whole roster turned oversquising. ON i Have madden codes by
Speaker 1: the way On, twitter if you want to go check that.
Speaker 1: Out uh real, Quick, Evan i'll you submit to win
Speaker 1: A madden. Code, okay your Favorite and a lot of
Speaker 1: people have not read the directions Because i've gotten quite
Speaker 1: a few answers that say The Malcolm butler interception or
Speaker 1: The James white. Touchdown but if you read the, DIRECTIONS
Speaker 1: i asked for people's Favorite patriots regular season. MEMORY i
Speaker 1: almost did regular season touchdown AND i THOUGHT i thought
Speaker 1: too many people would just Say Campbell. TOMPKINS i wanted
Speaker 1: the wider, gap And i've gotten some good. Ones it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough. Choice i'm going to decide tomorrow
Speaker 1: because they haven't actually sent. Me they'd send you the
Speaker 1: codes like twenty four hours. Later but favorite regular Season patriots,
Speaker 1: MEMORY i have. MINE i have. TWO i, like one's
Speaker 1: my personal favorite and ONE i just think was like
Speaker 1: my favorite.
Speaker 2: Game, okay SO i have.
Speaker 1: Two, okay naturally that's how this show would.
Speaker 3: Go AND i have a difficult time, deciding okay between
Speaker 3: these two BECAUSE i think both of.
Speaker 2: Them i'm trying To i'm.
Speaker 1: Not asking you for the best, game like your personal.
Speaker 1: Favorite there's pert. Like So i'll give you one for
Speaker 1: me is the fifty nine to nothing snow game against The,
Speaker 1: titans because that's a whole. Game that's not A I
Speaker 1: i'll count as a. Moment it's kind of Wide i'll
Speaker 1: count as a. Moment that's. Fair the REASON i like
Speaker 1: that game IS i don't remember, why but my parents
Speaker 1: and my brother had something like they were. OUT i
Speaker 1: used to love it when it, SNOWED i like had
Speaker 1: the house to. Myself it was a snowy day AND
Speaker 1: i just sat down and watched The patriots go belt
Speaker 1: to ask like that was just a that WAS i
Speaker 1: just had so much fun watching that. Game that's always
Speaker 1: a fund. Memory and then the the the twenty four
Speaker 1: point comeback against The, BRONCOS i think was just like,
Speaker 1: Exhilarating like.
Speaker 2: That was just. ELECTRIC i was at.
Speaker 1: That you were you were at every game THAT i
Speaker 1: WISH i was.
Speaker 3: AT i was at that game sitting on the fifty yard.
Speaker 3: Line thank you to my.
Speaker 1: Uncle one other, one, TOO i gotta give you Is
Speaker 1: David patten's.
Speaker 2: Cycle, okay SO i have two that stand out for.
Speaker 3: Me maybe these an't just because of how iconic they
Speaker 3: are On patriots.
Speaker 2: Is. Yeah the first one Is Randy moss breaking the
Speaker 2: record With Tom.
Speaker 1: Brady and that has been a popular. ANSWER i, mean
Speaker 1: that's that's gotta be near the. TIME i, mean SO
Speaker 1: i probably wouldn't have been able to do this prompt
Speaker 1: if they win That Super, bowl because that would across
Speaker 1: the board be the. Answer the only reason that's not
Speaker 1: the greatest regular season moment In patriots history is because
Speaker 1: of what comes after.
Speaker 3: It breaking the records simultaneously on one throw and having
Speaker 3: it be a Vintage, moss you, know Just Tyreek kill
Speaker 3: putting up the peace sign like that is.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget number. One not only to break
Speaker 1: both their, records it essentially locked up that game to go.
Speaker 1: Sixteen and, yeah and they tried the same play the snap.
Speaker 1: BEFORE i Think brady overthrew them right or something like
Speaker 1: they missed the times didn't stop, it they missed. It
Speaker 1: they go back to the huddle AND i think it was,
Speaker 1: LIKE i forget the, story but Like moss says To
Speaker 1: brady or someone's, like do it, Again let's do it,
Speaker 1: again and then they run it back because they wanted that.
Speaker 1: Moment they wanted it to look like. That what's your other?
Speaker 3: One so my other, ONE i think is that's the
Speaker 3: biggest moment THAT i can think.
Speaker 2: Of but this ONE i think is your personal.
Speaker 3: Favorite, though uh THIS i don't know if it's my personal, favorite,
Speaker 3: okay but this this, ONE i would, say The moss
Speaker 3: one is probably my personal. Favorite, Okay but this ONE
Speaker 3: i think is probably maybe the most, important and that
Speaker 3: Is Troy brown's walk off touchdown In.
Speaker 1: Miami you know nobody, ELSE i don't, Think and, Look
Speaker 1: i've been on the. Show i've kind of been looking
Speaker 1: at them While i'm on the. SHOW i just tweeted
Speaker 1: this out BEFORE i drove down. HERE i don't Think
Speaker 1: i've seen a single person say, That so If i'm.
Speaker 2: Not picking on, anybody we are both young when that.
Speaker 3: Happened, yeah that might be the age demographic of our.
Speaker 3: Audience Troy brown's walk off touchdown Against, miami which by the,
Speaker 3: way is an extremely Underrated Tom brady throw like, That, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's a heck of a.
Speaker 3: Throw and they hadn't won In miami And, eon and
Speaker 3: it was a moment where that that team clearly stated
Speaker 3: that they were a different, team, RIGHT i think they
Speaker 3: were no longer gonna go down To miami and get
Speaker 3: their butts. Kicked that was back WHEN i think The
Speaker 3: dolphins the baseball diamonds like on the field and Try
Speaker 3: brown's running through, it belichick headset thrown up in the
Speaker 3: air like on the sideline like that was at the
Speaker 3: at the. Time that Was, HONESTLY i know this is
Speaker 3: kind of, sad but like that was one of the
Speaker 3: bigger wins In patriots history at the time.
Speaker 1: Because they couldn't win The MIAMI i, mean they don't
Speaker 1: win The. Miami, yeah as.
Speaker 3: Terms of regular like obviously they, won you, know an
Speaker 3: eighty five against The dolphins THE Afc championship. Game you,
Speaker 3: know that's a huge one before, that BUT i would
Speaker 3: say that's one of the biggest regular season wins In
Speaker 3: patriots history because it's kind of blouses after, That like they're.
Speaker 2: Just dominant for twenty years from that.
Speaker 1: Point that was before we expected them to win that
Speaker 1: game like. That that's back when it was so. SURPRISED
Speaker 1: i just pulled it up some wild. Ones the first
Speaker 1: ONE i pulled up The Marcus jones walk off punt
Speaker 1: return against The.
Speaker 2: Jets, no that was.
Speaker 1: Fun that was.
Speaker 2: Fun that Was.
Speaker 1: Ellis one hundred and eight yard kick return, touchdown a
Speaker 1: sneaky good. One the Drawn harmon pick on the goal
Speaker 1: line Against. Pittsburgh, yep The Jesse james caught.
Speaker 2: It, Game yeah he got. It, yep.
Speaker 1: Yep twenty four Nothing, broncos The, brady The moss is?
Speaker 1: There how About moss going up over the three. Defenders
Speaker 1: that one's. There, yeah but fumble has been a popular.
Speaker 1: Answer dan connolly kick return is a good one, Anyway
Speaker 1: those are up. There. Yeah so like if you're Saying
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler's Super bowl, Interception, like you didn't read the,
Speaker 1: directions so just read the. Directions it's not that hard
Speaker 1: back joint practices anything. ELSE i think we covered everything
Speaker 1: from the defense, there, right or DID.
Speaker 3: I guess the other one THAT i would just say,
Speaker 3: defensively you? Know, YEAH i think that it kind of
Speaker 3: goes hand in hand with the tight end take is
Speaker 3: that nickel?
Speaker 2: Corner and maybe this.
Speaker 3: Is just reasons he, biased but they've talked so much about,
Speaker 3: everybody and the organization has talked so much about the big,
Speaker 3: nickel right and wanting.
Speaker 2: To have a guy that has some. Side isn't That?
Speaker 2: Austin is It? Austin?
Speaker 3: PROBABLY i, mean at this point With marcel's, dial you,
Speaker 3: know out for the, year it's really, no there's not
Speaker 3: a ton of. Competition BUT i just, wonder you, know
Speaker 3: If Marcus jones is their type of slot corner And
Speaker 3: Mark jones is gonna be on the, team, Right and
Speaker 3: don't get me, wrong he's gonna be a primary punt.
Speaker 3: Returner he's gonna play a corner slot corner a, lot
Speaker 3: and probably in certain matchups more than. Others BUT i
Speaker 3: still think he's gonna be on the field a. LOT
Speaker 3: i just wonder, if, like maybe there's a world where It's,
Speaker 3: Gonzales davis And austin and those are your three guys
Speaker 3: for all the reasons that we talked about with the
Speaker 3: tight end, stuff you, know it's kind of all in
Speaker 3: the same bucket for me in terms of just getting you,
Speaker 3: know the type of body types that they really would,
Speaker 3: prefer BECAUSE i don't, Know LIKE i, said maybe it's
Speaker 3: just recency bias And Marcus jones had a tough day
Speaker 3: today and that's just you know where it. Is but,
Speaker 3: OVERALL i just wonder about that with them defensively because
Speaker 3: there was just ALL jj McCarthy was doing. Today alps
Speaker 3: was just putting the ball in a place That Marcus
Speaker 3: jones simply just could not get to, Right and that's
Speaker 3: JUST i wonder how much they're going to live with.
Speaker 1: THAT i think some of that's matchup pace. Too we've
Speaker 1: talked about, this like when you play The, dolphins you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna use More Marcus, jones when you play The,
Speaker 1: bengals you're probably. Not, LIKE i think he's kind of
Speaker 1: a matchup Play he's a good matchup, player BUT i
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a matchup player all, right you
Speaker 1: have to do this. Now for, me it was usually
Speaker 1: the other way. Around, yes how did the kickers?
Speaker 3: Look so they didn't do a ton of killing, today,
Speaker 3: okay WHICH i, thought WHICH i thought was. WEIRD i
Speaker 3: thought they were going to do more special. Teams actually
Speaker 3: did punt, today like live, punt which was. INTERESTING i
Speaker 3: thought The patriots actually had a couple of good, returns
Speaker 3: and Then gibson had a nice kickoff. Return so they
Speaker 3: did a lot of live punt and live kickoff where
Speaker 3: they were like actually punting and kicking the ball at now.
Speaker 1: The kickoff involves the kickers like. That Jeremy springer told
Speaker 1: us last week that's a part of.
Speaker 3: It, yes, YEAH i would say though Yesterday borgalas handled
Speaker 3: all of the field goals and they did kick six
Speaker 3: field goals and he was five for six and they
Speaker 3: gave him multi, Borgals so.
Speaker 2: Take that for what it's. Worth that was, yeah that
Speaker 2: that's how that went.
Speaker 3: Yesterday and then today the special teams periods which they
Speaker 3: mixed in to give you, know the starters breathers in,
Speaker 3: between you, know eleven on eleven's they the special teams,
Speaker 3: periods we were punt and kickoff return instead of field.
Speaker 1: Goals so there you go real quick. Here before we
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to the, Phones we're gonna go to the.
Speaker 1: EMAILS i see a bunch of guys lined up eight
Speaker 1: five to, Five pats five hundred or podcast At patriots dot.
Speaker 1: Com we should touch on it because we haven't done
Speaker 1: a show since the. Game it feels like it was
Speaker 1: three weeks ago at this, point but they did play
Speaker 1: a preseason game since our last. Show just any big
Speaker 1: picture thoughts coming away from that game that you want
Speaker 1: to get out?
Speaker 2: There big picture thoughts do? You just starting with the.
Speaker 3: OFFENSE i think we all had the same takeaway from that,
Speaker 3: game which was that the pass offense with the starters wasn't.
Speaker 2: Great you, know it wasn't exactly what you were hoping to.
Speaker 3: SEE i, Thought Drake, may you, know we haven't really
Speaker 3: talked about the strip.
Speaker 2: Sack you.
Speaker 3: KNOW i Asked Ashton grant about the read on the strip.
Speaker 3: Sack he told me That Drake may's eyes were in
Speaker 3: the right. Place SO i Guess i'll Take Ashton grant
Speaker 3: as a coach on AN nfl, team So i'm going
Speaker 3: to take his word for. It but the WAY i
Speaker 3: saw it on the strip, sack AND i know everybody
Speaker 3: sort of makes, THAT i, guess you, know just everybody
Speaker 3: makes a lot out to do with the decision to
Speaker 3: try to throw the ball while he was getting dragged
Speaker 3: to the, ground which immediately was not a great, decision, Right,
Speaker 3: LIKE i totally get. That but the WAY i look
Speaker 3: at it is, like could he have avoided it all? Together, Right,
Speaker 3: like is there a way you, know feasibly That like
Speaker 3: we don't even get to that, point, Right. Yeah AND
Speaker 3: i just look at that play and the commanders like
Speaker 3: spin the coverage post snap, right they SHOW i want to,
Speaker 3: say they showed one high and then they drop out
Speaker 3: into too high coverage and he's got slant flat to his,
Speaker 3: Left Treyvon henderson running releasing into the, flat AND i
Speaker 3: think it Was Kishon boody on the. Slant you don't
Speaker 3: want to throw slant fat into cover. Too it's just
Speaker 3: not a Good it's not a good concept to throw
Speaker 3: against that coverage because the the squatting corner on the
Speaker 3: outside is going to pass the slant off to the
Speaker 3: inside hook and then he's gonna take the flat Right
Speaker 3: like they have two defenders on two receivers over, There
Speaker 3: so you. Don't it's not a great concept to work
Speaker 3: against too high coverage for that. REASON i, REMEMBER i
Speaker 3: think it Was games With names With, edelman Like Ernie
Speaker 3: adams went on a one time and they were talking
Speaker 3: about Facing Peyton, manning and he said that they used
Speaker 3: to run a lot of quarters Against Peyton manning because
Speaker 3: All Peyton manning wanted to do his throw slants to
Speaker 3: Like Dallas clark And stokely and those guys, right so
Speaker 3: they would play too high and they would take away
Speaker 3: those slant windows with those those inside. Zones And drake
Speaker 3: sees that, rotation and he holds the ball because he
Speaker 3: knows he can't throw the ball into the flat against
Speaker 3: the squatting corner because it's going to be a pick.
Speaker 3: Six and he can't throw the slant because there's a
Speaker 3: linebacker sitting right in the slant. Window so long when
Speaker 3: it answered to, say like the backside of the concept
Speaker 3: was a vertical clear out and Then Pop douglas probably
Speaker 3: on an, option had like a little stick or a
Speaker 3: little out, route which is a much better concept to
Speaker 3: work against that. Coverage SO i looked at it WHEN
Speaker 3: i watched the film and, said is it too much
Speaker 3: to ask for him to see that rotation in his
Speaker 3: drop and start working the other side of the, field.
Speaker 2: And maybe it is Like grant said that it was.
Speaker 3: Right he said that that wasn't the problem on the,
Speaker 3: play And i'll take his word for. It BUT i
Speaker 3: just knowing WHAT i know About josh mcdaniels's offense and
Speaker 3: how pre snap and the reads and like the coverage,
Speaker 3: indicator like all that stuff that McDaniels bakes into the,
Speaker 3: OFFENSE i just.
Speaker 2: Wonder if, YOU.
Speaker 3: I hate to Say, brady but LIKE i just wonder
Speaker 3: if like that was supposed to be the situation there
Speaker 3: and he got kind of frozen in time because they
Speaker 3: rotated the coverage and he wasn't he didn't get the
Speaker 3: look that he thought he was getting pre. Snap SO
Speaker 3: i look at that type of, stuff and you, KNOW
Speaker 3: i look at the pass protection obviously that in the
Speaker 3: same way as everybody. Else AND i look at the
Speaker 3: practice that we saw today with The vikings better. PRACTICE i,
Speaker 3: thought from a reads and mental standpoint From drake may
Speaker 3: than maybe that those fourteen preseason snaps. Were but in,
Speaker 3: general LIKE i still have concerns about receiver, separation pass,
Speaker 3: protection and overall passing game, execution like could they be
Speaker 3: good enough in that?
Speaker 1: Area so you broke that down pretty. Well i'll just
Speaker 1: say My i'll give you a more niche takeaway from the,
Speaker 1: game and like that play whatever it is can't, happen
Speaker 1: whether it's those guys getting, beat whether it's It's Cambellen
Speaker 1: wilson getting beat on the. Twist may like even if
Speaker 1: he can't go, backside still taking the sack instead of
Speaker 1: trying to throw the ball away right or, right something like.
Speaker 1: That my other sneaky big. TAKEAWAY i mean some of
Speaker 1: The Trayvon henderson looked, great, right that's one of. Them
Speaker 1: Kott williams looked really. Good we kind of talked about.
Speaker 1: That Kiris, TONGA i want to ask you about What
Speaker 1: Chairo's tonga did actually In, minnesota because, he you, know
Speaker 1: pound for pound compared to what the expectations were coming
Speaker 1: in As Kiros tonga had the best camp of anybody
Speaker 1: on The.
Speaker 2: Patriots he's up.
Speaker 1: There his ability to to Look he's Not Aaron, donald
Speaker 1: but his ability to be a factor on the pass
Speaker 1: rush is important because of concerns about their ability to
Speaker 1: stop the. Run he's a primary run, player but when
Speaker 1: you get into tweet er downs second and, five third and, Two,
Speaker 1: right can he still be out there or not be
Speaker 1: a liability if they throw the. Ball and he's looked
Speaker 1: far from, that far from any potential liability in those
Speaker 1: situations so far in. Camp SO i thought that carried
Speaker 1: over to the. Game i'm actually really excited About.
Speaker 3: Kyrostanga, yeah, no that's a fair thing to be excited.
Speaker 3: ABOUT i think what's taken me just really by. SURPRISE
Speaker 3: i actually asked him about. IT i think earlier this
Speaker 3: week or last. Week all these days are bunning. Together
Speaker 3: his pass rush has just been really, Good like it's
Speaker 3: been much, better much more effective bull. Rusher he's not
Speaker 3: gonna win a lot with like fancy moves and stuff like.
Speaker 3: That he's a comrade at you kind of, guy but you,
Speaker 3: know the bull rush has been much more. Impactful and
Speaker 3: we know on first, down like if you can push
Speaker 3: that pocket and you can debt the interior of the
Speaker 3: pocket and not give the quarterback that room to step
Speaker 3: up into the, pocket like that's. Big that can be really.
Speaker 3: Impactful even if he's not technically like you, know glogging
Speaker 3: quarterback hits or sacks or whatever the case may. Be
Speaker 3: if he's just in the quarterback's lap a lot like
Speaker 3: that can be really. Impactful and he talked a little
Speaker 3: bit about sort of his maturation as a pass rusher
Speaker 3: and how he's, improved and like he would, said he
Speaker 3: was so focused on he knew he was a big,
Speaker 3: dude so he just wanted to go plow straight through
Speaker 3: guy right the bull, rush and so he would just
Speaker 3: try to go right at the center of the block
Speaker 3: or like right in the middle of his chest and
Speaker 3: just push him. Back and then he's, realized, like, oh
Speaker 3: IF i actually get on his edge first AND i
Speaker 3: get kind of outside of him first and then bull
Speaker 3: rush and transition into speed to, power Like i'm he
Speaker 3: can't anchor as well as IF i just go try
Speaker 3: to go right through. Him so it was like one
Speaker 3: of those things that he kind of said that he
Speaker 3: had like epiphany talking to. SOMEBODY i don't he didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily specify, who but he said that he's been like
Speaker 3: picking people's brains about pass rush and like somebody said to, Him,
Speaker 3: hey like stop trying to go right through three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifteen pound three hundred and twenty pound offensive lineman
Speaker 3: and try to get out on the guy's. Edge a
Speaker 3: little bit first and then try to go through him
Speaker 3: and all of a, sudden like he comes into camp
Speaker 3: and he looks like a pretty good pass.
Speaker 2: Rusher so, YEAH i don't know what he said, it
Speaker 2: he admitted. It he was, LIKE i don't know what
Speaker 2: took so long for me to figure that, out but you,
Speaker 2: know You're.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad he figured it. Out anything else from
Speaker 1: the game, AGAIN i, know like we usually break the games, down,
Speaker 1: Right it was just there's been so much since, THAT
Speaker 1: i don't know how much people like and we've both
Speaker 1: broken it down. ELSEWHERE i don't know if you have
Speaker 1: anything else you wanted to get.
Speaker 3: To, no not so, much BUT i like just in
Speaker 3: general from you, know coming off these joint, practices BECAUSE
Speaker 3: i think the question For saturday is like how much
Speaker 3: are the starters going to?
Speaker 2: Play, yeah In saturday's.
Speaker 3: Game and the difference is is that last week they
Speaker 3: only had the one joint, practice so sad the preseason
Speaker 3: opener was kind of like a joint, practice you, know
Speaker 3: glorified joint. Practice but at the same, TIME i just
Speaker 3: come off the field today and got to, think, like
Speaker 3: they don't want to Leave minnesota with this like sort
Speaker 3: of being the taste in the mouth of the, starters,
Speaker 3: right was the way that today went because they had
Speaker 3: such a better day yesterday and it was kind, of you,
Speaker 3: know one of those things like you said at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the, show where it was a tale two.
Speaker 3: Days SO i have to think That rabel's going to
Speaker 3: watch some of this tape from the practice today and,
Speaker 3: say we got stuff to work.
Speaker 2: On you, know we have a lot to work.
Speaker 3: On and next week it's going to be the last
Speaker 3: couple of days The patriots On patriots training camp FOR
Speaker 3: us and then The giants preseason game and then that's.
Speaker 2: It It's, vegas.
Speaker 3: Right SO i do wonder if they sorted to have
Speaker 3: the same split as last, week where it's a driver
Speaker 3: to you, know if a first, drive If drake may
Speaker 3: marches them right down the field on the opening drive
Speaker 3: of the, game then you pull the starters if it
Speaker 3: goes like it did last, week and then you give
Speaker 3: them a second. Series BUT i do think there might
Speaker 3: be some value in having some of those guys play
Speaker 3: On saturday after or the way that today.
Speaker 1: Went what's the biggest thing you're looking for On?
Speaker 2: SATURDAY i was that's a.
Speaker 3: Good, question BECAUSE i don't know what like the plan
Speaker 3: is For minnesota to like with their, starters if anybody's gonna,
Speaker 3: play and all that kind of. Stuff BUT i would,
Speaker 3: say like receiver. SEPARATION i was SO i came out
Speaker 3: out of yesterday's practice being so optimistic about how open
Speaker 3: some of the guys got down the field For Drake,
Speaker 3: may and THEN i just didn't really see that out
Speaker 3: there today and that was kind of a. Bummer so
Speaker 3: like if they, today you, know yesterday they had guys,
Speaker 3: open and then On saturday they can get guys open
Speaker 3: for a couple of. Drives like maybe today was just
Speaker 3: a you, Know minnesota is a good, team, right and
Speaker 3: they had a better. Day but that was the biggest
Speaker 3: THING i would say THAT i would look, for, is you,
Speaker 3: Know Ken drake may find some completions down the field
Speaker 3: like he did in practice.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Yeah i'm Gonna i'm just gonna, say however much
Speaker 1: the starters do, play that continuation Of, May wilson And
Speaker 1: campbell picking up some of the more complex stuff The
Speaker 1: vikings defense does up. Front, now who knows how much
Speaker 1: you're gonna play If wilson plays at, all you, know
Speaker 1: that's a question as. Well but that's kind of the
Speaker 1: big question for me going in.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 1: Saturday all, Right i'm sure we'll get to more game
Speaker 1: previews with these. Questions we've got a whole bunch of emails,
Speaker 1: too but we'll start with. It DID i have to do?
Speaker 1: Reads by the, way nobody gave me, READS i have
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 5: Reads.
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah if you want to run in the, READS
Speaker 1: i can do the recess we're usually doing when we
Speaker 1: do the. Transition but we'll take one phone call. First
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Speaker 1: nate And? Connecticut, Nate, hey.
Speaker 4: Guys all you guys Doing hey. Good so my question
Speaker 4: for you guys is about Them. Chisholm, obviously he had
Speaker 4: a really good preseason debut last, game and all the,
Speaker 4: players Including Josh, Dobbs Mike, rabol they've been pretty they've
Speaker 4: been praising him for how well he's. Done do you
Speaker 4: think he is a? LOCK i personally think he. Is you,
Speaker 4: know just to see his name on the fifty three
Speaker 4: cut lists would be a really big. Disappointment He he's
Speaker 4: shown some really big flashes and proved. POTENTIAL i just
Speaker 4: don't see us cutting. HIM i, REALLY i really think
Speaker 4: we're gonna keep, him AND i really think he's gonna
Speaker 4: do well in the.
Speaker 1: League thanks, Guys Evan chishom roster.
Speaker 2: Luck i'm not ready to say that.
Speaker 3: YET i think That, Diggs, Douglas Holland's, Booty Kyle williams
Speaker 3: are all going to be, here and that that's five
Speaker 3: guys THAT i just listed that are all going to be.
Speaker 3: Here and until we have a better feel for how
Speaker 3: many receivers and like how what their you, know minimums
Speaker 3: are at each position Under, rabel it's kind of hard
Speaker 3: to say that he's a lock because are they do?
Speaker 3: They most teams are probably okay with keeping six if
Speaker 3: it's that they're six worth. Keeping but if we're really
Speaker 3: talking about, seven like that's that's an abnormal. Number, yeah
Speaker 3: so we have to BE i don't know about, lock
Speaker 3: but he's certainly playing his way onto the.
Speaker 1: Team he's on pace to be on the. Team LIKE
Speaker 1: i think if he has a rough, game rough week next,
Speaker 1: week maybe you start talking about practically, again we need
Speaker 1: a term for whatever one step below A locke is
Speaker 1: because he's, LIKE i think he's going to be on the,
Speaker 1: team BUT i don't think He's i'm not writing it
Speaker 1: in sharpie. Yet LIKE i think ULTIMATELY i think he makes.
Speaker 1: Team it's not me saying he's not gonna make a. Team,
Speaker 1: ULTIMATELY i think he's going to make the. Team BUT
Speaker 1: i do think, again he's not running with the ones as.
Speaker 1: MUCH i do think, they you, know maybe want to
Speaker 1: see a little more before they get. There AM i?
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Speaker 1: Phones david New, Hampshire, David.
Speaker 6: Hey, guys that's Going hey. Good first of, all it's
Speaker 6: been a. While well then listen all the time, though
Speaker 6: but you as a you, know AS i said last,
Speaker 6: time which was like years, ago though that you, KNOW
Speaker 6: i was asked about Khon booty as a part of
Speaker 6: the you Know booty that band. Is that Was i'm.
Speaker 6: GLAD i had been happy to see you know him
Speaker 6: really perform well so.
Speaker 2: Far but my.
Speaker 6: Question For evan would, be you, know there's been a
Speaker 6: lot OF i would mixed reporting on the day. Today you,
Speaker 6: know some people saying. HORRENDOUS i just was listening to.
Speaker 6: You it doesn't really sound like it was necessarily. Horrendous
Speaker 6: my take there was from it was that The vikings
Speaker 6: are you, know A Super bowl contending team potentially at
Speaker 6: the very, least and if they do it'll be because
Speaker 6: they were carried by their defense and their skilled, players
Speaker 6: Although Justin jefferson obviously wasn't playing. Today so the fact
Speaker 6: that The, patriots who we hope him be a playoff,
Speaker 6: team you, know bubble, team didn't you, know beat The
Speaker 6: vikings both, days isn't the biggest skill to. Me, always
Speaker 6: thank you.
Speaker 2: Guys Thanks.
Speaker 1: David just to be clear, again we were talking about
Speaker 1: the two days as a whole, collectively so that's why
Speaker 1: maybe some of it sounded a little more positive than
Speaker 1: the reporting because we only did the show once a,
Speaker 1: week so we wanted to kind of combine. Everything But
Speaker 1: evan about today, AGAIN i THINK i asked you the
Speaker 1: top of the, show but just to be, clear like
Speaker 1: your your assessment of today, Specifically.
Speaker 2: YEAH i THINK.
Speaker 3: I don't want to like get too exaggerated and be, like,
Speaker 3: oh it's you, know it was a, disaster it was
Speaker 3: a train, wreck you, know and use those types of,
Speaker 3: words BECAUSE i don't think it was quite.
Speaker 2: That like we we've seen disaster when.
Speaker 3: The Philadelphia eagles were At Gilied stadium last, year, right
Speaker 3: you wouldn't put it in.
Speaker 1: The same conversation as That eagles.
Speaker 3: Practice, No AND i was actually talking to somebody about
Speaker 3: this after, practice because The eagles practice last year was
Speaker 3: not just the fact that The eagles roster was just
Speaker 3: better across the board than The. Patriots The patriots looked
Speaker 3: like a disorganized. Team it was it was non. Competitive,
Speaker 3: Yeah like they literally weren't lining up, correctly they were
Speaker 3: false starting left and. Right there was million penalties all
Speaker 3: over the. Field like they literally could not line, up
Speaker 3: snap the ball and get a playoff against The eagles last.
Speaker 2: Year that was not.
Speaker 3: This this was two teams that are are buttoned up
Speaker 3: in well, coached but just one team had the advantage
Speaker 3: over the other. Team so maybe that's, why like my
Speaker 3: opinion of it is not quite as like doom and
Speaker 3: gloom as some of the other reporting. Is there's no
Speaker 3: doubt about it That minnesota won the, day like that's a.
Speaker 3: Decision it was a Decisive vikings, Win like there's no
Speaker 3: doubt about. That but in order to like really be,
Speaker 3: realistically because let's face it, out it's LIKE i think
Speaker 3: that we're all really excited About rabel and we're all
Speaker 3: really excited about where this team is, headed But rome
Speaker 3: wasn't built in a, Day like they're not going to
Speaker 3: be able to This vikings team won fourteen games last,
Speaker 3: year and they're they're not going to all of a
Speaker 3: sudden flip a switch where they go from being a
Speaker 3: four win football team to dominating a fourteen win team
Speaker 3: back to back days and joint. Practices it's it's not,
Speaker 3: linear like it's not going to be perfect every single,
Speaker 3: day AND i think that's sort of what we saw to.
Speaker 3: Do so to kind of to the caller's, point, right like,
Speaker 3: that that's that's sort of WHAT i was. Expecting LIKE
Speaker 3: i did not expect to come here To minnesota and
Speaker 3: have The patriots win both days of. Practice not THAT
Speaker 3: i love the wind practice, thing but, Whatever like it's
Speaker 3: what we.
Speaker 2: Do SO i wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 1: TODAY i considered between yesterday and, today did they do better?
Speaker 1: Worse the same as your expectations coming.
Speaker 2: IN i, said they met my.
Speaker 3: EXPECTATIONS i think yesterday was definitely better than WHAT i was. Expecting,
Speaker 3: OFFENSIVELY i thought today was sort of WHAT i was
Speaker 3: afraid of was going to happen over the course of
Speaker 3: the two, days where it was Like drake may was,
Speaker 3: fine but they couldn't pass protect and they couldn't get
Speaker 3: anybody open, right and that was sort of what my expectation,
Speaker 3: was and so that was what today. Was but over
Speaker 3: the course of the two, DAYS i would say they
Speaker 3: met them because they were able to have a nice Day.
Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i still go back to and it goes back
Speaker 1: to the commander's, practice like AND i wasn't, There so
Speaker 1: this is just me going off reading, which by the,
Speaker 1: way like not being there and reading everything On twitter
Speaker 1: makes me realize how hard it is to cover these
Speaker 1: and LIKE i want to do my best, now not
Speaker 1: that you guys aren't doing the best you, can but
Speaker 1: LIKE i know how hard it, is and like being
Speaker 1: on the other side of, it making sure LIKE i
Speaker 1: give as many details When i'm down. There it's EVERYTHING
Speaker 1: i see about. Today as bad as it, was it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound Like Drake may was. Bad you, know there
Speaker 1: were limited. Opportunities but AND i go back to the commander's.
Speaker 1: Practice AND i said this earlier in the, podcast BUT
Speaker 1: i thought the commander's practice as good as it, WAS
Speaker 1: i think if you went back on tape and look through,
Speaker 1: it there'd probably be more to. Nitpick BUT i Think
Speaker 1: drake may elevated the situation at. Times and if the
Speaker 1: blocking wasn't perfect or receivers weren't perfectly. Open he still
Speaker 1: found ways to make it. Work and it sounds like
Speaker 1: he maybe did some of that today even when it
Speaker 1: wasn't great around, Him and that's the most encouraging thing
Speaker 1: to me because he's gonna need to be able to
Speaker 1: do that at. Times like we've talked to, out this
Speaker 1: is not the finished. Roster this is Not Mike rabel's. Vision,
Speaker 1: ultimately they're on the way to, it, certainly and they
Speaker 1: made significant, strides but it was never going to get
Speaker 1: fixed in one. Offseason that was just never. Realistic they've
Speaker 1: so far exceeded the roster TURNOVER i was expecting because
Speaker 1: in one, year like you were overturned fifty percent of
Speaker 1: your roster in one, season that's a. Lot that's an uncharacteristic,
Speaker 1: amount and they might end up over fifty by the
Speaker 1: time we get to week one from week eighteen last.
Speaker 1: Year so, like it's encouraging to. Me as rough as today,
Speaker 1: was or it was as rough as it sounds. Like,
Speaker 1: yea AND i didn't see it that you, know there's
Speaker 1: still that, caveat But drake may you know what he
Speaker 1: made of it was good and part of. THAT i
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Speaker 1: we can Get patty. Again patty you there this?
Speaker 4: Time i'm here this?
Speaker 1: Time all, right.
Speaker 2: Guys, Hey.
Speaker 5: So just a couple things and Then, ALEX i got a.
Speaker 5: GRIEVANCE i gotta air out with, you, Buddy, OKAY i.
Speaker 5: Love the first thing IS i was at that fifty
Speaker 5: nine to nothing. Game it was. AWESOME i left it
Speaker 5: halftime because the forecast predicted, rain SO i Bought parkas
Speaker 5: with my best, buddy and our arms were frozen from
Speaker 5: the elbows up by the time halftime rolled. Around the
Speaker 5: second thing Is i'll give you my Favorite patriots. Memory,
Speaker 5: yeah and it was a GAME i was. At it
Speaker 5: was nineteen ninety, six The Hail Mary jacksonville, game not
Speaker 5: THE afc championship game that, year but The Hail mary
Speaker 5: game was that military's first ever game winning field, goal
Speaker 5: AND i was. THERE i was sitting in the end
Speaker 5: zone where he kicked, it and it was you, know
Speaker 5: it was pretty cool. Experience, So mike grievance with, you
Speaker 5: and this is off, topic maybe maybe not too off,
Speaker 5: topic but remember talking About Stefan diggs coming off THE
Speaker 5: acl and you rattled off a couple of different players
Speaker 5: that came off came OFF acls and had great, seasons
Speaker 5: and nobody's gonna top ap season one in THE mvp
Speaker 5: and rushing for two thousand. Yards BUT i can't BELIEVE
Speaker 5: i listened To Phil. Perry i'll listened to you and
Speaker 5: a couple other. Guys nobody brought up twenty FOURTEEN bronc
Speaker 5: because he Got he tore THE ceo In december at
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen and came. Back dicky played fifteen games but
Speaker 5: still threw up like eleven hundred yards and twelve touchdowns
Speaker 5: and was a first Team All. Pro and that's. It you,
Speaker 5: know it was a little even You, evan come, on,
Speaker 5: man you're you're both of you. Guys you, guys that's
Speaker 5: your that's your. Wheelhouse. Man i'm surprised neither of you
Speaker 5: threw that name out. There but that's it a little
Speaker 5: light hearted. Grieving but you guys are the. Best i'll
Speaker 5: talk to you next.
Speaker 1: Week thanks for the, Call. PATTY i remember that as
Speaker 1: an ankle. INJURY i think was that the off season
Speaker 1: that where was that the playoffs where he hurt his?
Speaker 1: ANKLE i just. Played it's an ankle In.
Speaker 2: The ankle injury was twenty. Eleven like he had ankle
Speaker 2: in The Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl that was one of The pollard. Moments, yeah, YEAH
Speaker 1: i don't. KNOW i remember that as an ankle, injury but,
Speaker 1: no that was AN acl and he came back that
Speaker 1: year twenty, fourteen and he caught eighty two, passes eleven hundred,
Speaker 1: yards twelve. Touchdowns it's pretty. Good three touchdowns in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: too and he's awesome in That Super bowl, obviously so
Speaker 1: good call. Out that's Spare. Patty let's get some of
Speaker 1: these Emails jeffrey subject line or jeff And canada's subject.
Speaker 1: Line concerned for May, oh this is from, yesterday because
Speaker 1: that says earlier in the, Show paul Said paul's nine.
Speaker 1: Here So i'm not going to make you answer For.
Speaker 1: Paul this is connor From Saint. Paul why you should
Speaker 1: care ABOUT i think these are all From we.
Speaker 2: Can give you some new. Ones CAN i say a?
Speaker 1: Practice, yeah go, ahead and THEN i THINK i see
Speaker 1: where catch twenty two.
Speaker 3: Starts, Okay so one more thing about today THAT i
Speaker 3: think is important to.
Speaker 2: Mention we talked about it very very.
Speaker 3: Briefly there's been some like rumblings right about about the
Speaker 3: backup quarterback spot In Joshua, dobbs AND i know that
Speaker 3: people saw a rough preseason game from, him and then
Speaker 3: yesterday was a rough, Practice and, honestly LIKE i feel
Speaker 3: comfortable saying it was a bad practice Because abel just
Speaker 3: came out in his press conference and just said it
Speaker 3: how it was About Joshua dobbs yesterday with some of
Speaker 3: the interceptions that they were he was throwing The today
Speaker 3: was significantly better.
Speaker 2: Day From Joshua.
Speaker 3: Dobbs, like If Drake may had the day That Josh
Speaker 3: dobbs had, today we would be. Flying we would be
Speaker 3: flying maybe, right we'd have two days in a, Row Drake,
Speaker 3: may you, know really showing well against The vikings, defense we.
Speaker 2: Would be really. Thrilled so good bounce back day From Joshua.
Speaker 3: Dobbs obviously After chisholm was like a big part of,
Speaker 3: that you know in the, Mix Kyle williams in the,
Speaker 3: Mix Javon baker in the, Mix Jack westover to end
Speaker 3: practice up the seam in the.
Speaker 2: Mix so it was a much much better.
Speaker 3: Day kind of put some water on that, concern, right
Speaker 3: a backup, quarterback SO i KNOW i should mention to
Speaker 3: No Ben woolridge for two, Days So Ben.
Speaker 1: Woolridge so that doesn't sound like that's not a. Competition
Speaker 1: No Ben woolridge.
Speaker 3: Is And rabel said this, morning you, Know Josh dobbs
Speaker 3: is the backup, quarterback you, know is everything is always
Speaker 3: subject to change with My, vrabel there is always that.
Speaker 3: Caveat but But Josh dobbs is the backup quarterback and
Speaker 3: that seems to, be, uh that seems to be pretty
Speaker 3: pretty set in.
Speaker 1: Stone alexander emails In catch twenty two, Questions i'm sure
Speaker 1: evanist mourning the loss of Brock lampy since but since
Speaker 1: you guys are a, draft shall storing a name is
Speaker 1: a possible replacement for next? Year Max bretison fallback From.
Speaker 1: Michigan Max brettison is very good. Fullback let's see If
Speaker 1: Jack westover can do it like he's got the profile for.
Speaker 1: It AND i asked him what makes a good? Fallback
Speaker 1: first thing he said was. Fearlessness so that's a box
Speaker 1: checked because we'll, to you, know throw his body in
Speaker 1: there and getting away met a linebacker in THE a.
Speaker 1: Gap so let's let's give West over. Chance two more
Speaker 1: questions he asked for, You, evan have you noticed if
Speaker 1: McDaniel's and the offensive stuff and the offensive staff have
Speaker 1: done anything With drake's? Mechanics and is there's a pop?
Speaker 1: Up and Is jay Von baker this Year's Taekwon? Thornton
Speaker 1: where is what he's showing in practice going to translate.
Speaker 2: Two questions With drake's. MECHANICS i haven't seen anything. Different
Speaker 2: AND i thought one of the things THAT i liked about.
Speaker 3: The last two days From drake may where it was
Speaker 3: his poise in like his, feet we're not getting he
Speaker 3: wasn't getting skittish in the, pocket, Right, like he wasn't
Speaker 3: having those moments of skittishness in the pocket or happy
Speaker 3: feed or anything like.
Speaker 2: That with the.
Speaker 3: PRESSURE i, Thought now he's wear the red, jersey so
Speaker 3: you know he's not gonna hit get to get. Hit
Speaker 3: but STILL i think that was good to. See and
Speaker 3: his mechanics look pretty much the. Same like the one
Speaker 3: thing with his mechanics THAT i was always, wondering footwork
Speaker 3: is not really, mechanics. Right footwork is. Footwork throwing mechanics
Speaker 3: is a different. Thing and the one thing THAT i
Speaker 3: was kind of wondering With drake may, is you know
Speaker 3: what they start to work on tightening his throwing, motion
Speaker 3: because the longer that your throwing motion.
Speaker 2: Is and the longer that you bring your arm back than.
Speaker 3: Your throwing, motion there's more room for error in terms
Speaker 3: of controlling the football and throwing the ball.
Speaker 2: Accurately and SO.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if maybe they would try to get
Speaker 3: him to be a little bit quicker and more. Compact
Speaker 3: BUT i haven't necessarily noticed, that and you, know the
Speaker 3: staff last year kind of thought that was. Overblown is
Speaker 3: a conversation Around drake made during the draft process that
Speaker 3: they didn't really see eye to eye. With so maybe
Speaker 3: that's just sort of like a media driven narrative thing
Speaker 3: with his throwing.
Speaker 1: Motion Javon, baker the real dealer is His.
Speaker 3: Taekwon So Javon baker more noticeable today in an actual,
Speaker 3: team you, know an actual eleven on eleven's working With.
Speaker 3: Dobbs but like to, me the push For Javon baker
Speaker 3: has been on special. Teams, yeah like him adding special
Speaker 3: teams into his repertoire is why we're talking about this right.
Speaker 3: Now less so the plays that he's making on the
Speaker 3: practice field on. Offense so that's different From. Taekwon like
Speaker 3: they Tried taekwon at one hundred and eighty five pounds
Speaker 3: soaking wet.
Speaker 2: Day they Tried taekwon.
Speaker 3: On some special teams things on you, know gunner and
Speaker 3: all that kind of, stuff and it never really stuck
Speaker 3: because he just didn't have the playstrain for. It So Javon,
Speaker 3: baker you, know as he tries to work on consistency
Speaker 3: and rounding out his game as a receiver if he's
Speaker 3: going to make the team as a primary special. Teamer
Speaker 3: like that's a different that's a different path to, Me
Speaker 3: like it's a different conversation Than.
Speaker 1: TAEKWON i agree with you on. That so this email
Speaker 1: From john Starts Hey Alex hey Bart So Alex barte
Speaker 1: is one, Person Evan lazar is the. Other just be.
Speaker 1: Clear could you go into detail on How Will campbell
Speaker 1: is losing his. REPS i was under the impression his
Speaker 1: anchor was his best, Trait but to my, eyes he's
Speaker 1: being pushed back pretty handily on a lot of Reps i've.
Speaker 1: SEEN i would just, say like getting pushed back and
Speaker 1: anchor a different anchor is when you get pushed, back
Speaker 1: can you catch? Yourself and Maybe i'm wrong, There, evan but,
Speaker 1: yeah that's HOW i think of, it AND i do
Speaker 1: like when he does get pushed, back he's been much
Speaker 1: better about. It he wasn't as good at the beginning of.
Speaker 1: Camp he's been much better Than when he does get pushed,
Speaker 1: back he catches himself before it gets too.
Speaker 5: Far.
Speaker 3: YEAH i, actually you, know in the game against The,
Speaker 3: COMMANDERS i thought there were one or two reps where
Speaker 3: he lost you, know first contact and some guys got
Speaker 3: into his chest and were able to get some arm
Speaker 3: extension on, him which is something that with the lank
Speaker 3: stuff is you, know something THAT i just watched closely for,
Speaker 3: right like how often do guys get into his? CHEST
Speaker 3: i don't THINK i see it the same way. Though in,
Speaker 3: GENERAL i think the losses that he's had are on his, edges,
Speaker 3: right like either getting blown by on the outside or
Speaker 3: those inside moves that we talk so much about With Will.
Speaker 3: Campbell today With, GRENARD i thought it was mostly the,
Speaker 3: outside you. KNOW i wonder like sometimes And i'd have
Speaker 3: to be able to see the, film but like when
Speaker 3: he has somebody in THE b gap next to him
Speaker 3: in the three, Tech, yeah it seems to me like
Speaker 3: he looks to kind of like help inside maybe or
Speaker 3: is worried about like a pressure coming, right like a
Speaker 3: blitz that he's gonna have to block down, to and
Speaker 3: so like he's a little BIT i do want to say,
Speaker 3: slow but just like he's a little hesitant out of his,
Speaker 3: set right because he's like sort of like cheating a
Speaker 3: little bit to the inside to like help to the three.
Speaker 3: Tech and then maybe like because if a linebacker comes
Speaker 3: down and, blitzes then he's gonna have to bump over
Speaker 3: and take the blitzer and take the nearest threat to the,
Speaker 3: quarterback and sometimes like when that, happens like he goes
Speaker 3: and then set out and like the guy that's rushing
Speaker 3: off his edge has already won the first three steps,
Speaker 3: Right like he's already buy.
Speaker 2: Him so there's that sort of.
Speaker 3: Thing SO i think that, maybe you, know mental processing
Speaker 3: and stuff like, That but TODAY i would say that
Speaker 3: was Grid heard mostly got him on his outside, edge
Speaker 3: and it was more Like campbell just was a little
Speaker 3: bit slow to the punch on the. Outside and if
Speaker 3: you want to be doomsday with, it like if you
Speaker 3: want to bring up the, length you, know that was
Speaker 3: something that people that had concerns About campbell's sticking at
Speaker 3: tackle was that was he going to be able to
Speaker 3: reach out to those edge rushers without compromising his, leverage
Speaker 3: and that then we get into the whole thing of
Speaker 3: him giving up the inside and all that. Stuff so
Speaker 3: there was one pressure yesterday Where gernard beat him inside
Speaker 3: and were able actually brought that up in his press,
Speaker 3: conference and then there was a couple today WHERE i
Speaker 3: thought was more to the. Outside the pass protection is
Speaker 3: still work like a work in, progress like it just.
Speaker 2: Is it's still work in.
Speaker 3: PROGRESS i don't know If i'm not at the point
Speaker 3: yet WHERE i think that this is like A Will
Speaker 3: campbell can't play tackle in the, league but it's something
Speaker 3: that is going to have to maybe be. Managed like
Speaker 3: we talked about this outs in the, draft like, yeah
Speaker 3: chips and like helping him over on that side until
Speaker 3: he sort of figures it out like that that's in,
Speaker 3: Play like if you're gonna expect him AND i Know
Speaker 3: Max crosby typically rushes over the right tackle for the most,
Speaker 3: part But Max Crosby week.
Speaker 2: One let's say The raiders say we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna attack the rookies and we're gonna Put Max crosby
Speaker 3: over the left. Side if you're gonna Expect Will campbell
Speaker 3: at twenty twenty five times in week one to pass
Speaker 3: but Protect Max crosby one on one on an, island
Speaker 3: AND i think you're setting him up to. FAIL i
Speaker 3: don't think he's he's ready for that quite. Yet so
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to get maybe some creative things about.
Speaker 3: It and in like the one other THING i would
Speaker 3: say About Will Will campbell is actually talking TO, uh
Speaker 3: to our good FRIEND Uh glenn and there AT Nbc
Speaker 3: Sports boston about this and uh or ACTUALLY i think
Speaker 3: it Was.
Speaker 2: Moose i'm, SORRY i get those two guys.
Speaker 3: CONFUSED i hesitate to say this BECAUSE i don't want
Speaker 3: to be taken the wrong, Way but, LIKE i don't
Speaker 3: think The patriots are going to be in a position
Speaker 3: With Will campbell where they're saying we need to go
Speaker 3: draft or trade or acquire a left tackle because he
Speaker 3: can't play the, position like just flat out like he
Speaker 3: can't do it. Right and so next year we're in
Speaker 3: the draft or we're in free agency and like they
Speaker 3: have to pay a tackle because they just Have there's
Speaker 3: there's no you, know wiggle room. There that being, said
Speaker 3: if like a year from now or two years from,
Speaker 3: now they're in the draft and like A Tristan wharf's
Speaker 3: like falls into their lap right in the draft and
Speaker 3: they're able to draft a left tackle that has prototypical
Speaker 3: traits of a left tackle and that Moves Will campbell
Speaker 3: inside or Moves Will campbell to the right, side or
Speaker 3: like whatever the case may. BE i don't think that
Speaker 3: that's like the worst possible outcome that could happen from
Speaker 3: that draft. Pick And i'm not saying that that has to.
Speaker 3: Happen i'm just, saying, like that's the way the scenario
Speaker 3: THAT i, See, LIKE i hear a lot of people
Speaker 3: that just think that he's automatically going to have to move.
Speaker 3: INSIDE i don't think that they're going to be so
Speaker 3: desperate to move him inside that it's.
Speaker 2: AUTOMATIC i don't think that.
Speaker 1: If we get to the draft next year and there's
Speaker 1: a good chance that the best player on the board
Speaker 1: is a left, tackle like clearly the best player on
Speaker 1: the board's. Conversation it's a conversation like and as it.
Speaker 1: Should and maybe we have the conversation we decide no
Speaker 1: trade out or no draft this guy or. Whatever but,
Speaker 1: LIKE i get what you're. Saying speaking of the, Draft
Speaker 1: mike In pennsylvania asks how we feel about the linebacker,
Speaker 1: depth that there's any players in the pipeline that look
Speaker 1: promising for the. Future SO i started kind of really digging.
Speaker 1: In this week's some some back here And i'm not a.
Speaker 1: PRACTICE i got three and aamc you really? TWO i
Speaker 1: think a lot of people know Who Harold perkins is
Speaker 1: at this. Point he was supposed to be a top ten,
Speaker 1: pick got, hurt kind of had a down year when
Speaker 1: he came. Back he's AT. Lsu his teammate Wit. WEEKS
Speaker 1: i don't know if you actually watched WHAT i sent
Speaker 1: You evan on Wit, Weeks did you actually watch it
Speaker 1: a little?
Speaker 2: Bit that's That's, robert.
Speaker 1: That's robert's, Flint, like, no you don't think?
Speaker 2: So? OKAY i THINK i think he looks a little
Speaker 2: bit more athletic Than.
Speaker 1: Robert he's a verable, linebacker like he is a he
Speaker 1: is a fit in this. System he's also if you
Speaker 1: watch The NETFLIX sec, DOCUMENTARY i think he's got like
Speaker 1: the between the ears part of it set sure and
Speaker 1: then the other like who is a true. JUNIOR i
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll come out or. Not Kyle lewis From.
Speaker 1: Pitt do you Remember Servasier dennis a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago was another pit linebackers on The. Bucks, now, yeah
Speaker 1: the name sounds. Familiar so he's in The Servassier dennis
Speaker 1: role in the pit. Defense BUT i think he's. Better
Speaker 1: and he's like six something on the big board right.
Speaker 1: Now that's gonna go way.
Speaker 5: Up but.
Speaker 1: Might sneaky be a good linebacker class next? Year so,
Speaker 1: uh we've Got i'm gonna go through these a little
Speaker 1: quicker here BECAUSE i want to get to these calls.
Speaker 1: Too nick In boston love listening you. Guys catch twenty
Speaker 1: two definitely is the Best patriots. Discussions, however you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna look back on Your Will campbell takes over
Speaker 1: the summer with. Regret it turns out a guy who's
Speaker 1: three thirty runs a four nine with no dimensional. Limitations
Speaker 1: an excellent college tape would have been a good. Pick
Speaker 1: Armond membu lock down The Pro bowl Or Kenny clark
Speaker 1: won on one in their first preseason game and is
Speaker 1: having a great, camp but you guys don't want him
Speaker 1: since he's a right. Tackle where's he? Playing he's playing right? Tackle? Right?
Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah forshan who's playing?
Speaker 3: Last AND i don't really Understand Kenny clark's the defensive.
Speaker 1: Tackle so, YEAH i think you may have missed something.
Speaker 1: There SO i, MEAN i, mean.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a Dad Jilliams, rashang you, know another
Speaker 3: one of. Theirs He's Kenny clark's a, packer, right, yeah
Speaker 3: like my brain.
Speaker 1: Is so he mentions, today you, know Beating Will. CAMPBELL
Speaker 1: i don't know that we're going off of one.
Speaker 3: Practice, YEAH i, mean, LOOK i said my piece About
Speaker 3: Will Campbell i'm not trying to hide or like shy
Speaker 3: away from the fact that it hasn't always been great.
Speaker 3: NOW I i think it was commendable Of clavon Chase
Speaker 3: on to come out and really defend him, yesterday which he.
Speaker 3: Did AND i you, KNOW i know it's a teammate
Speaker 3: and like that might not mean anything to, you But
Speaker 3: Clavon chaison basically, SAID i think you guys are all
Speaker 3: being way too, harsh you, Know LIKE i think that
Speaker 3: he's been way better than what WHAT i keep reading
Speaker 3: and seeing out. There not that he's like necessarily reading,
Speaker 3: us but they pay, attention they see certain, things and,
Speaker 3: uh AND i think that he he kind of came
Speaker 3: To Will campbell's defense And Jonathan GERNARD i think was
Speaker 3: asked about him today after. Practice he spoke with reporters
Speaker 3: post practice and he seemed generally. IMPRESSED i, mean obviously
Speaker 3: he's not gonna come out and, say, yeah you, KNOW
Speaker 3: i torch that. Guy he, stinks, right but he seemed
Speaker 3: pretty impressed With campbell as. Well there's no doubt about
Speaker 3: it that the pass protection stuff is something that we
Speaker 3: have to continue to watch With Will, campbell and it
Speaker 3: remains a question mark with. HIM i JUST i don't
Speaker 3: have the practice, film SO i can't really break it,
Speaker 3: down and there wasn't enough reps in the preseason game
Speaker 3: to really think about, it you, know really be able
Speaker 3: to examine. IT i think he's one of those guys
Speaker 3: that needs to win with his feet in his, hands
Speaker 3: like that has to be the strength of his. Game are,
Speaker 3: quick you, know sudden punches with his. Hands you know
Speaker 3: that aren't down the middle of the, rusher but you,
Speaker 3: know more towards the peck outside peck with the left
Speaker 3: hand and firm punch and slide your feet right like
Speaker 3: that sort of got to Be Will. Campbell AND i
Speaker 3: think the concern with, it what we've seen is that
Speaker 3: that can be very hit or, miss because if you'd
Speaker 3: missed the punch and you're being aggressive like that and
Speaker 3: you missed the, punch then you're gonna have those, blowbys
Speaker 3: which is what you don't want to. See so for,
Speaker 3: him it's just going to be this balancing act of
Speaker 3: figuring out how to be consistent within that. Framework AND
Speaker 3: i think that that's been a challenge so far as
Speaker 3: it is for probably a lot of.
Speaker 1: Rookies yeah and, again And nick, says keep up the great. Work,
Speaker 1: thanks we do appreciate. Listening don't mean to pick on
Speaker 1: you like, this but just to be, clear the take
Speaker 1: at the time WAS i had my, concerns just LIKE
Speaker 1: i had my concerns About Will, campbell AND i had said,
Speaker 1: this pick your, poison the guy who maybe doesn't have
Speaker 1: the ideal physical, building the guy who's never played the position.
Speaker 1: Before Arm On membu's at right tackle with The. Jets
Speaker 1: if The patriots had needed a right, TACKLE i would
Speaker 1: have been fine with Arm On. Membo but we've seen
Speaker 1: this team try to move tackles from right to left
Speaker 1: the last few years and hasn't gone. WELL i was
Speaker 1: kittish about. That i'm fine with that Armand member being
Speaker 1: a great right tackle doesn't prove us. Wrong if he
Speaker 1: ends up getting moved to left and is, great, yeah
Speaker 1: then we have to eat some. Grow BUT i never
Speaker 1: had any Doubts Armon member could play right, tackle although
Speaker 1: some people pointed out in the chatty hasn't been great
Speaker 1: against the. Run BUT i never had Anything Armond member
Speaker 1: could play right. Tackle that wasn't the. CONVERSATION Uh anthony
Speaker 1: asked why Not Carlton davis at the tight end? Position
Speaker 1: we talked about. THAT a couple of people sending in
Speaker 1: their Favorite patriots. Moments Wes welker ninety nine yards Against
Speaker 1: miami On Monday night. Football that's a good. One oh
Speaker 1: Seven patriots beat The. Ravens great, game subject line catch twenty. Two,
Speaker 1: yeah people are sending in now. Moments Uh gronk Removing
Speaker 1: Sergio brown from the. Club that's a good. One, Ye
Speaker 1: josh And turner. Falls you guys are the best out
Speaker 1: there right. Now real. Stuff, Appreciate oh you, do thank.
Speaker 1: You this is gonna be another guy that's, LIKE i
Speaker 1: love the show and then comes at. Us SO i have,
Speaker 1: to ye ununfortionunately kind of go after p, one which Again,
Speaker 1: NICK i never like to. DO i. APOLOGIZE i just
Speaker 1: want to clarify.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 1: No josh has a question if The pats only keep
Speaker 1: three running backs and two tight ends as seven receivers of.
Speaker 1: POSSIBILITY a lot Of pats beat guys are saying. SEVEN
Speaker 1: i honestly hope they do keep. Seven If Chisman baker
Speaker 1: proved they're worth. Keeping we kind of talked about, this
Speaker 1: so just real, QUICK i think they can keep three
Speaker 1: tight ends and still keep seven. Receivers if if the
Speaker 1: third is West over and he's also your. FULLBACK i
Speaker 1: think he can be three running, backs three tight, ends seven.
Speaker 1: RECEIVERS i think that's in.
Speaker 2: Play, YEAH i think that makes.
Speaker 3: SENSE i mean three running backs now With larison out
Speaker 3: of the, mix makes it makes the most sense to.
Speaker 3: ME i don't know if any of these on the
Speaker 3: other running, backs ALTHOUGH i Will Shane, watts Like, loki
Speaker 3: had had a day.
Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i heard he got blown up today, though.
Speaker 3: Yeah today today it was the other. Way but it
Speaker 3: wasn't really. Him it was more of the blocking in
Speaker 3: front of. Him but there was one player in particular
Speaker 3: that it was just a bad rep and like three
Speaker 3: vikings just came in on he, did you, know unblocked
Speaker 3: on Poor Shane watts and just put, him you, know
Speaker 3: into the.
Speaker 2: Ground but YESTERDAY i thought that he had showed some juice.
Speaker 3: And like a little bit of, wiggle like almost a
Speaker 3: little bit Of Land, larrison LIKE i can see like
Speaker 3: sort of similar.
Speaker 1: Players it's funny because they go From Land larrison was
Speaker 1: THE fcs leader in all purpose, yards, right, yeah and
Speaker 1: so they lose, him all, right who's THE d two
Speaker 1: leader in all purpose? Yards And watch was like. THIRD
Speaker 1: i think but they did, similar very similar college. Profile riley, Asks, hey,
Speaker 1: fellas do you think it's possible to See Baker baker
Speaker 1: Overtake hollins's spot in the wide receiver room. Order he's
Speaker 1: strung some nice days weeks, together but of course we
Speaker 1: have to see what the. ONES i think the two things.
Speaker 1: Won there's other players in the way. THERE i Think
Speaker 1: booty And Kyle williams are in that conversation as. Well and,
Speaker 1: again as you said, Earlier Evan Javon baker's pushed to the,
Speaker 1: roster it's not really about what he's doing a wide,
Speaker 1: Receiver like his potential to develop as a wide receiver's
Speaker 1: part of, it, Right but he's making the team as a.
Speaker 1: Gunner like if he wasn't doing what he's doing on special,
Speaker 1: teams you, know maybe we're talking about him for the practice.
Speaker 1: SQUAD i don't think we are like really disgusting him
Speaker 1: as this truly rosterble player if he wasn't making the
Speaker 1: special teams plays he.
Speaker 3: Is, YEAH i, understand AND i understand the take on,
Speaker 3: Maccollins like what is mccollins is a journeyman receiver that
Speaker 3: has really at his best is like a six hundred
Speaker 3: yard you know type of, guy and SO i get
Speaker 3: wanting to give reps to younger guys with the higher.
Speaker 3: Upside LIKE i totally understand the take from a lot of.
Speaker 3: People that being, said all we can, Do alex is
Speaker 3: tell people what is happening at these practices and who
Speaker 3: are getting the reps with the meetingful, reps uh with
Speaker 3: with the ones and all that good. Stuff and like
Speaker 3: they Mac collins is not McColl's gonna, Play like mc
Speaker 3: collins is gonna have a, role mcallis is gonna. Play
Speaker 3: Mac collins is gonna be involved in this. OFFENSE i
Speaker 3: actually think that he's had some, moments especially in these joint,
Speaker 3: practices where he's looked like one of their more consistent
Speaker 3: threats as a.
Speaker 2: Receiver, TODAY i thought he caught.
Speaker 3: A, little you, know whole shot From Joshua dobbs or
Speaker 3: ref said it was out of, bounds but all of
Speaker 3: us kind of thought it was, inbounds but you, know
Speaker 3: we're not, ref so what do we? Know and you,
Speaker 3: know then yesterday he got behind the defense on that
Speaker 3: busted coverage and had that long.
Speaker 2: Touchdown Like Matt.
Speaker 3: Collins has actually made some plays over the last couple of,
Speaker 3: days and he made a lot of plays against The
Speaker 3: commanders two in that joint practice last.
Speaker 2: Week SO i don't THINK.
Speaker 3: Matc collins is going, anywhere AND i think Mac collins
Speaker 3: is gonna have a role on this football. Team so
Speaker 3: is there a world where we get to Like, Halloween
Speaker 3: thanksgiving And Kyle williams is all of a sudden like
Speaker 3: the TOP x. Receiver, yeah LIKE i think that's in.
Speaker 3: Play but other than, that, like other Than Kyle, williams
Speaker 3: behind the, scenes continuing to grow and continue continuing to,
Speaker 3: stack you, know positive practices behind the, SCENES i Think
Speaker 3: Matt collins is going to play a.
Speaker 1: Lot so then we have From chris, Mentions, well the
Speaker 1: subject line IS i just read a score AND i
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be his favorite regular season.
Speaker 1: Moment but he says twenty twenty FIVE Afc Wild card,
Speaker 1: Game pat's thirty Four steelers. Ten and he, says we're
Speaker 1: going to surprise some people this. YEAR i, mean they
Speaker 1: beat The steelers thirty four to ten in the wild card.
Speaker 1: Round they probably had a pretty good season regardless of
Speaker 1: what happens after that twenty four point winning the. Playoffs
Speaker 1: so you just sign me up for THAT i had
Speaker 1: no problem with. That he also. Asks he, says it's
Speaker 1: exciting that there's so much more competition for roster spots this.
Speaker 1: Year all, right list of? Players do they make the
Speaker 1: team or?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 1: Ready, Yep i'm. Ready Kendrick, BOURNE i are. INTERESTING i
Speaker 1: don't you. Know this kills me because you know HOW
Speaker 1: i feel About Kendrick. Porne now he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he's making the tea and he's. HURT i get, that
Speaker 1: but like you can't make the club from the. Top
Speaker 1: guys are passing. Him Kendrick, bourne to, me is one
Speaker 1: of the greater wasted potentials of the Modern patriots. Era
Speaker 1: YOU i mean he had that great year in twenty.
Speaker 3: One i'm, SORRY i don't. Mean it's not About Kendrick.
Speaker 3: BOURNE i just LOVE i love the commitment to the.
Speaker 3: TAKE i love.
Speaker 1: IT i mean will we will never? Know this is my.
Speaker 1: Point he had a great year twenty. One he gets
Speaker 1: thrown in the doghouse and The Matt patricia year over
Speaker 1: stuff he probably should have gotten thrown in the doghouse,
Speaker 1: for and that whole year was a. Mess comes back
Speaker 1: in twenty, three starts making. Plays he was good before
Speaker 1: he got. Hurt remember, that like every time they targeted,
Speaker 1: him it was a big. Game he was. Good twenty
Speaker 1: Three bill, O'Brien Bill, obrien twenty, three gets, hurt comes
Speaker 1: back last, year he's coming off the torn acl so
Speaker 1: he has that recovery. Year and, Look i'll admit he's,
Speaker 1: thirty he's had a knee. Injury it's been it's been
Speaker 1: four years since that twenty twenty one. Season if they
Speaker 1: don't just for whatever reason you have a grudge against
Speaker 1: him in twenty two and he's actually a part of
Speaker 1: that team now you still have all the stuff With
Speaker 1: Mac jones and. Everything i'm not saying it would have
Speaker 1: been an eighteen hundred yard. Receiver he could have had
Speaker 1: a solid career. Here he AND i think he still
Speaker 1: has like the most catches in the most receiving yards
Speaker 1: of any wide receiver Post, Brady like he's been their
Speaker 1: best receiver Post, brady WHICH i know it's not a high,
Speaker 1: barticlear BUT i remember doing like when we did The
Speaker 1: All Sports up. TEAM i think he's fifth since two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine on the team in receiving yards or
Speaker 1: catches or something like, that which again maybe is more
Speaker 1: about the players they've had than. Him he could have
Speaker 1: had a good career Here and CAN i.
Speaker 3: Say one thing About Kendrick? Borne will take go.
Speaker 2: Ahead so.
Speaker 3: My take On Kendrick bourne is that we both feel
Speaker 3: the same way About Kendrick. Porn maybe he was a
Speaker 3: little stronger than, me.
Speaker 1: BUT, I i, mean you want to talk about real
Speaker 1: estate on the, ISLAND i have a little more than
Speaker 1: you And Kendrick.
Speaker 3: Bourneland, Yeah Kendrick bourne is AN nfl, receiver right like,
Speaker 3: THAT i feel comfortable saying that he's AN nfl wide.
Speaker 2: Receiver he's a professional, player you, know as a pro.
Speaker 3: Receiver so MY ir take is just, LIKE i don't
Speaker 3: know if there there's playing time for him right now
Speaker 3: Because diggs Pop holland's booty and then you're gonna want
Speaker 3: to try to Get Kyle williams feet way a little bit,
Speaker 3: Too so there's probably not playing time for him right.
Speaker 3: Now but if you place him ON ir designated to
Speaker 3: return on cutdown day and you, know knock on, wood
Speaker 3: but Like god, forbid there's a rash of injuries at wide,
Speaker 3: receiver then you have a guy on injured reserve that's
Speaker 3: AN nfl receiver that can play on.
Speaker 1: Something so you didn't clarify injured reserve designated to. Return,
Speaker 1: yeah LIKE i more, sense that makes a lot more.
Speaker 3: Sense like you can't eat just be like a stash
Speaker 3: player right, now right like, that, YASH i thought you
Speaker 3: meant like injur reserve him now in this.
Speaker 2: Season, No, NO i.
Speaker 3: Mean, like let's, try you, know try to stash him on.
Speaker 3: INJURINES i don't hate, That, YEAH i.
Speaker 1: Don't, so by the, way, look so the reason THAT
Speaker 1: i used two thousand and nine is as the cutoff
Speaker 1: as me And Matt dollff. Did it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be last year for the fifteenth, anniversary and then too
Speaker 1: much went, on so instead we did it for the sixteenth,
Speaker 1: anniversary which actually was, yesterday was the sixteenth anniversary of
Speaker 1: the Sports i'm going on the. Air we did The
Speaker 1: patriots All sports up two thousand and nine and. On
Speaker 1: so keep in mind this is since two thousand and,
Speaker 1: Nine Kendrick bourne's only been here for four of these,
Speaker 1: years and he's basically only played two and a half
Speaker 1: between being in the doghouse in twenty two in THE.
Speaker 1: Acl so since two thousand and, nine receptions among wide
Speaker 1: receivers isn't. Tight ends wide receivers for The Patriots Julian,
Speaker 1: Edelman Wes, Welker Jacoby, Myers Danny Amandola Kendrick bourne five
Speaker 1: receiving Yards Julian, Edelman Wes, Welker Jacoby, Myers Danny Amandola
Speaker 1: Kendrick bourne. FIVE i think he's a little lower in.
Speaker 1: Touchdowns he's some Touchdowns Chris hogan And Randy moss jump in,
Speaker 1: touchdowns even Though moss played like no games in this,
Speaker 1: window Because moss is just, Awesome but like he sneaky
Speaker 1: had a better career here than people. Think AND i
Speaker 1: think it could have been better if they had managed
Speaker 1: him right and they. Didn't but that's that's a Whole
Speaker 1: Kendrick borne take from something that was supposed to be
Speaker 1: kind of rapid fire. Exercise so, yeah let's go, Back Kevin,
Speaker 1: BOARD i Are Cole strange.
Speaker 2: Off the.
Speaker 1: Team Ben brown being the starting left guard today does
Speaker 1: not bode well For Cole. Strange i'm with. You, now
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you, know former first round. Pick they try
Speaker 1: to find a trade, partner BUT i don't think he makes.
Speaker 1: Team Kyle dugger on.
Speaker 3: The, TEAM i think it's the, contract and you, know
Speaker 3: you at least try to play it out and see
Speaker 3: if it's you, know they can get him back on the.
Speaker 1: Track so part of The Kyle dugger conversation is if
Speaker 1: you move on from who is the backup strong? Safety,
Speaker 1: right and they can keep an expensive back up If
Speaker 1: dougger is going to be better than whoever the option,
Speaker 1: Is i'd rather Keep dougger for the year even if
Speaker 1: it isn't unless it's going to be a major problem
Speaker 1: in the locker. Room and there's that, thing, Right but
Speaker 1: who would you rather have backing it? Back and, Again Jabrill,
Speaker 1: peppers WHO i like does have some injury. History who
Speaker 1: would you rather have backing Up Dabrill, Peppers Kyle duggar Del.
Speaker 1: Pettis so the question.
Speaker 3: There, though is if you're backing up at safety AND
Speaker 3: i know this is supposed to be wrapping, up and
Speaker 3: we stink at that if you're, back if you're backing up,
Speaker 3: safety like you also are gonna have to play special.
Speaker 1: Team Can Kyle dugger play special?
Speaker 2: Teams honestly you.
Speaker 3: Can't but like If Kyle dugger's issues are like, physical
Speaker 3: like he's like lost.
Speaker 2: His, step you, know like del pettis just on special.
Speaker 3: Teams i'm not Saying delpez a better football player Than Kyle,
Speaker 3: duggar but is there there might be a world where
Speaker 3: he's a better special teamer Than.
Speaker 1: Kyle All, RIGHT i still Think tugger's on the. TEAM
Speaker 1: i Think tuger's on the. Team vaderian low.
Speaker 3: This is an interesting, one probably SOMETHING i could have
Speaker 3: brought up. Earlier, again we're not gonna rap it. This
Speaker 3: this is SOMETHING i can.
Speaker 1: Unpack we got two more calls and there's fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: LEFT i think we can get this all.
Speaker 3: In So Vaderian lowe And Marcus bryant were going back
Speaker 3: and forth left, right left right over the last couple
Speaker 3: of days with the second string. Offense So Trade jacobs
Speaker 3: was not getting as many.
Speaker 1: Reps AND i don't think that's a. GUY i don't
Speaker 1: think it's on the.
Speaker 3: Team so we know That Vadarian Low we've done The
Speaker 3: Vaderian low swing tackle. Thing Vadarian low's a left, tackle
Speaker 3: AND i understand that a lot of people Say Vadarian
Speaker 3: low's left, tackle he's not a very good.
Speaker 2: One, okay, whatever take that piece of it out of.
Speaker 3: It, Right, like we know That Vaderian low is much
Speaker 3: better on the left side than the, Right like the
Speaker 3: pressure rate on the right side when he played the right,
Speaker 3: side AND i think it was twenty three is like
Speaker 3: double the pressure rate he allows in the left.
Speaker 2: Side SO.
Speaker 3: I guess my point is is, like If Marcus bryant
Speaker 3: is good enough to be the top swing, tackle.
Speaker 2: Then Darien lowe on the team.
Speaker 3: As like like the backup will left, Tackle LIKE i, guess.
Speaker 1: Right, right and Then Marcus bryant can just play right
Speaker 1: would probably be.
Speaker 3: Right the question is is, LIKE i guess you know
Speaker 3: you're looking At Will campbell and left, tackle like and
Speaker 3: if you don't feel great About Marcus bryan a rookie
Speaker 3: Replacing Will campbell Will campbell gets, hurt then maybe you
Speaker 3: think That vederian low has a purpose on the roster
Speaker 3: as a pure backup left tackle And Marcus bryant is
Speaker 3: more of a right tackle. BACKUP i GUESS i could
Speaker 3: see them doing that and keeping four and just having
Speaker 3: a backup left in a backup right right and not
Speaker 3: a true swing. Tackle SO i don't. KNOW i don't
Speaker 3: know if we've seen enough About Vaderian low because he's been,
Speaker 3: hurt like it's hard to say maybe he's gotten any
Speaker 3: better or anything like. That BUT i would Say vaderian
Speaker 3: low long way To grandma's. House, THERE i would Say
Speaker 3: Vanderon lowe on the.
Speaker 1: Team maybe he makes the initial fifty. Three that's a
Speaker 1: spot WHERE i wonder if maybe they go on waivers
Speaker 1: and try to find. Somebody so maybe he's on initial
Speaker 1: fifty three and then they get a waiver claim and
Speaker 1: he's the one that's. Off BUT i STILL i still
Speaker 1: THINK i HAD tbd tackle on my roster. Projection I'm
Speaker 1: I'm i'm sticking with.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: Uh and Then Jelinnie, tobai that's so you, hey some
Speaker 1: TIME i did. THAT i nailed, it by the, way
Speaker 1: so deal with. It, jilanievai same plan As Kendrick, bourne all,
Speaker 1: right but if he's, HEALTHY i think he's on.
Speaker 3: The team if he's, healthy and there's no ir path for.
Speaker 3: Him but WHEN i look at their, defense even like
Speaker 3: more so Than, Duggar Avony jennings And Jelani tava are
Speaker 3: the two guys THAT i just it's just a they
Speaker 3: look like they don't belong in terms of the scheme.
Speaker 2: Fit they just like.
Speaker 1: Own so the difference to me is before he got,
Speaker 1: hurt TO i was getting run in practice like he
Speaker 1: was out there With, SPLAINE i think he's. NOT i
Speaker 1: think they do have a role in My it might
Speaker 1: not be a significant, role or it might include special,
Speaker 1: teams but LIKE i think he's on the.
Speaker 2: Team, YEAH i can see. THAT i JUST i guess
Speaker 2: with tav.
Speaker 3: He played that they used to call, IT i think
Speaker 3: the fixer or something like. That like he played a
Speaker 3: very specific role in The belichick, defense not last year
Speaker 3: because Of bentley's, injury but two years ago when he was.
Speaker 3: Good he plays such a specific role in the, defense
Speaker 3: and that was a role that he was good at
Speaker 3: when used. Correctly AND i just don't know if that
Speaker 3: role exists. ANYMORE i think what they want to do
Speaker 3: is like how Does splaine be like a true mic
Speaker 3: and then have like a will that flies, around you,
Speaker 3: know playing off the. Splane AND i just don't know
Speaker 3: if that's To. Vie Maybe devi's the Backup, mike but
Speaker 3: we saw now that went last. Year LIKE i feel
Speaker 3: Like Jack gibbons is probably a better backup disployne.
Speaker 1: Real quick that those are the players in the email
Speaker 1: also MENTIONED i think The brady statue is. AWESOME i
Speaker 1: think they did a great. JOB i very much enjoyed.
Speaker 1: IT i will, say if you are planning on go seeing,
Speaker 1: it try to go see it at. Night it's even
Speaker 1: cooler at. Night that was my one big. Takeaway and
Speaker 1: it's not too. Small it's wearing shoulder. Pads that's why
Speaker 1: it looks like. That look at his head and look
Speaker 1: at his bicep like it's it's the shoulder pads make
Speaker 1: at first, glance the shoulder pads make it look, small
Speaker 1: but like he's wearing shoulder. Pads it's a football. Uniform
Speaker 1: that's why it looks like.
Speaker 3: That so really quickly on The brady, statue because you
Speaker 3: AND i were there for the statue unveiling AND i got.
Speaker 3: It we BOTH i don't want to speak for, you
Speaker 3: but like we both came away with that like feeling
Speaker 3: like we went through like a religious.
Speaker 1: EXPERIENCE i didn't think it was going to be Like
Speaker 1: Dwayne way level, bad BUT i it vastly exceeded my.
Speaker 3: Expectations AND i think that part of it, was you,
Speaker 3: know the ceremony was really.
Speaker 1: Cool ceremony was.
Speaker 3: Great there was tons of people there in terms of,
Speaker 3: fans but there was also a lot of really cool
Speaker 3: alumni that were there as, Well so that was a
Speaker 3: big piece of. IT i don't want to hear like
Speaker 3: any and this is not team employee speaking like this
Speaker 3: is truly from the, heart LIKE i don't want to
Speaker 3: hear any criticism of that.
Speaker 2: Statue that statue is. Sick like go.
Speaker 3: See it in person and go look at he is
Speaker 3: seventeen feet. Tall and the detail that's on the, statue
Speaker 3: like the from the cleats in the knee brace and
Speaker 3: the quarterback.
Speaker 2: Playbook you know arm.
Speaker 3: Pady, black you know the, EyeBlack the helmet.
Speaker 1: That you have to get up close to see, This
Speaker 1: like some people mentioned that this is something THAT i
Speaker 1: like to do with the. Statue some people mention you
Speaker 1: can't really see the jersey numbers because of the way
Speaker 1: they carved. It when you go in, person you can see.
Speaker 1: It it's very. Clear it maybe doesn't. Photograph it doesn't
Speaker 1: come across as detailed in, photographs BUT i think they
Speaker 1: didn't make it to be. Photographed they made it to
Speaker 1: be seen in. PERSON i would rather more effort be
Speaker 1: put into what does this look like when you're standing
Speaker 1: in front of, it compared to what is it going
Speaker 1: to look like in. Pictures the.
Speaker 3: POSE i had concerns about the pose because it's not
Speaker 3: an Iconic brady, pose but he's so it's so, Huge,
Speaker 3: yeah and he's so tall that the fist in the,
Speaker 3: air it's it's a very powerful. Pose and what it
Speaker 3: does is like he was a larger than life figure
Speaker 3: IN nfl sports, history and the pose and the height
Speaker 3: in the in the just sheer size of the statue
Speaker 3: and makes it larger than.
Speaker 2: Life and That's Tom brady like he. Was he is
Speaker 2: larger than.
Speaker 1: Life all, Right let's let's go to these calls real
Speaker 1: quick before we wrap it. Up maniche In New York,
Speaker 1: city what's going? On niche? THERE i left him on
Speaker 1: hold for a. While put him on, Hold try to
Speaker 1: get him back if you, can get back to your.
Speaker 1: Phone get back to your. Phone we'll take after. This
Speaker 1: when we got to go TO i Know eldridge is, there, Right.
Speaker 1: Eldred we all do nothing From? Eldred all, right say
Speaker 1: we'll TRY i get on in a. Second what are
Speaker 1: you Looking we already kind of did. It we did
Speaker 1: it for the. Offense we didn't do it for the.
Speaker 1: Defense what are you looking for from the? Defense saturday In?
Speaker 2: Minnesota, yeah you.
Speaker 3: Know a lot of things that they harped on, defensively
Speaker 3: up coming off that.
Speaker 2: Game ray bol did was.
Speaker 3: Tackling you, know he mentioned tackling like multiple times when
Speaker 3: he was talking about the, defense and they don't tackle
Speaker 3: to the ground in, practice so it stands to reason
Speaker 3: that they're gonna be a little bit sloppy tackling for
Speaker 3: the first time in a preseason. Game so that's another
Speaker 3: reason WHY i think that maybe some of the defensive
Speaker 3: starters will, play is because they're not gonna live tackle
Speaker 3: to the ground in, camp so like they're gonna have
Speaker 3: To they're gonna have to get some tackling, reps you,
Speaker 3: know live tackling under their, belt and the only way
Speaker 3: to really do that is to have them play in
Speaker 3: the game if they're not gonna tackle in. Practice so
Speaker 3: that's WHY i wonder if some of those guys are gonna.
Speaker 3: Play it was good to See Carlton davis back out.
Speaker 3: THERE i don't think we'll see him On. Saturday he
Speaker 3: might be one of the few guys kind of like
Speaker 3: last week where you, know a few veterans here and
Speaker 3: there were held out out of the, game but he
Speaker 3: practiced both.
Speaker 2: Days he was out there fully.
Speaker 3: Participating he had a really funny press conference here yesterday
Speaker 3: where like reporters kept on trying to ask him injury
Speaker 3: questions about himself in different. Ways he just like kept
Speaker 3: on being, Like i'm not going, there you, know like
Speaker 3: he just kept on making jokes about how we were
Speaker 3: trying to trap him into talking about what's going.
Speaker 2: On he did admit that there was something physical.
Speaker 3: Going, on but he felt, like you, know if they
Speaker 3: were playing an actual game On, sunday he would be out,
Speaker 3: there but this time of, year it's just more about managing.
Speaker 3: It SO i would harp bono at the defense and
Speaker 3: just stick with What rabel's been saying to, us which
Speaker 3: is just. Tackling you, know they have to be better at,
Speaker 3: tackling and the only way to get better at tackling
Speaker 3: is to practice.
Speaker 2: Tackling and got to do that in the.
Speaker 1: Preseason sous one more time aniche he, there who going,
Speaker 1: once going? Twice, Nope eldrid going once going.
Speaker 2: Twice that's, tough, Tough that's.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah LIKE i keep leaving people on hold for that,
Speaker 1: long but that's just what happens on the. SHOW i
Speaker 1: do have one more email Here rio In. TEXAS i
Speaker 1: want to talk about the future of The. Patriots three
Speaker 1: most important players for this upcoming. Season he Says Drake
Speaker 1: may's number, One Will campbell's number. Two says he thinks
Speaker 1: most people would. Agree, yeah that's. Fair so he has
Speaker 1: an interesting pick for three there for three, Here Kiris.
Speaker 1: Tonga there's no one else on the team that can
Speaker 1: fill his role as a run stuffing nose tackle with
Speaker 1: some juice in the pass. Rush if he goes, down
Speaker 1: we could see the run defense falter for a second straight.
Speaker 1: Year so my mind instantly goes To Christian. Sales but
Speaker 1: to his, point, like, look if they Lose Christian, salz
Speaker 1: that's a major, blow but you Have Carlton. Davis like
Speaker 1: the drop off From Carlton davis From Christian zauce To
Speaker 1: Carlton davis maybe isn't as big as the drop off
Speaker 1: From Kiris tonga To Jeremiah. FARMS i guess it would
Speaker 1: be probably the, role, Right SO i still probably Go
Speaker 1: gonzales BECAUSE i just think a lockdown corner is that.
Speaker 1: Important but SO I i would GO i might even
Speaker 1: Go May Gonzalez campbell BECAUSE i Think may can maybe
Speaker 1: do some things where if the pass protection isn't, perfect
Speaker 1: he can still make. Plays whereas if you Lose, GONZALES
Speaker 1: i think you're gonna lose the ability to do some
Speaker 1: things you want to do, defensively not, everything but some.
Speaker 1: Things but they do in theory have a replacement For Christian.
Speaker 1: Gonzalez nobody can really replace, him but like there's a
Speaker 1: clear next man. Up they don't really have that With,
Speaker 1: Tonga SO i don't know THAT i have him at.
Speaker 1: Three he probably would be higher on my list than
Speaker 1: most people would think in terms of the most important,
Speaker 1: players especially after the camp he's. Had but it's a
Speaker 1: it's a good point By Rio.
Speaker 2: Evan so is this a long term look or are
Speaker 2: we just talking about?
Speaker 1: It so he says for this upcoming.
Speaker 3: Season so to, me it's Made Campbell Stefon diggs, like
Speaker 3: it's a good. ONE i just for twenty twenty, Five
Speaker 3: Like Safon diggs is not a long term thing. Necessarily
Speaker 3: but it's not just you, know we've done this. Before
Speaker 3: it's not just The Stefan diggs. Himself it's also the
Speaker 3: hierarchy of the wide receiver room and like how the
Speaker 3: pressure that that puts on guys like Uh Pop douglas
Speaker 3: And Kashawan boody And Kyle, williams like If Sefon diggs
Speaker 3: were to get hurt in this serious, time like we're
Speaker 3: kind of back where we were last year with this
Speaker 3: wide receiver, Room like you have a rookie that you're
Speaker 3: hopeful is going to play, well and you have some
Speaker 3: other younger players that are, promising but you have no,
Speaker 3: Dude like you have no established veteran star. Receiver SO
Speaker 3: i Think diggs is is hugely. IMPORTANT i know that's
Speaker 3: three guys in all on offense and there's no, defense
Speaker 3: and that does feel, weird BUT i would Say diggs
Speaker 3: has got to be in that.
Speaker 1: Game your fantasy. Football, no it's, Fair diggs is up.
Speaker 1: THERE I I i just think with With, POP i
Speaker 1: have faith In Kyle. Williams we talked about What raebel
Speaker 1: said about him, Today LIKE i don't think you're all
Speaker 1: the way back to last. YEAR i also just think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Like diggs isn't one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: Away we they there's probably plans in place For diggs
Speaker 1: to get off to a slow. START i would hope not,
Speaker 1: That like not That i'm betting on, it but it's
Speaker 1: a guy coming off in acl is thirty one years.
Speaker 1: Old LIKE i don't, know do you know What i'm, Saying,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't mean. It i'm not trying to SAY
Speaker 1: i don't Think diggs is gonna do. WELL i just
Speaker 1: think the contingency plan for Losing diggs is stronger than
Speaker 1: the contingency plan for Losing.
Speaker 2: GONZALES i, GUESS i just you. THINK i don't.
Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i, guess, WELL i guess With Carlton davis's injury,
Speaker 1: history MAYBE i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i just look at the wide receiver room always
Speaker 3: is that, hierarchy that pecking order of like do you
Speaker 3: have a coverage dictating? Receiver do you not have a dictating? Receiver,
Speaker 3: well the only guy that's gonna that has that potential
Speaker 3: to be truly a coverage dictating receiver.
Speaker 1: Is So diggs has that, potential but he's thirty, one
Speaker 1: he's coming off TORN Acl gonzalz is coming off In
Speaker 1: All pro, Season and that's kind of What i'm going off, Of, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: YEAH i think There's diggs has the potential to be,
Speaker 1: three but there's more variance with. HIM i feel very
Speaker 1: comfortable knowing What i'm getting From.
Speaker 2: Christiannzales yeah that's, fair all?
Speaker 1: Right that that'll do it for this episode To catch twenty.
Speaker 1: Two thanks everybody for tuning. In we will be back next.
Speaker 1: Week what day next? Week because They, thursday SO.
Speaker 2: I just thought of.
Speaker 3: That the game Is, thursday so we can't Do, thursday
Speaker 3: so we'll probably end up Doing.
Speaker 2: Wednesday are they practicing On?
Speaker 3: TUESDAY i believe, so but there will you, know there
Speaker 3: obviously is no practice On, wednesday the day before the,
Speaker 3: game So i'm just On.
Speaker 1: Tuesday But i'm also traveling On. WEDNESDAY i forgot it to.
Speaker 2: Road so, well we have to figure this.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah this is what we do On Patriots beat,
Speaker 1: Now like the last five minutes of every show is
Speaker 1: planning the next.
Speaker 2: Show, yeah Maybe.
Speaker 1: TUESDAY i actually might not be able to Do wednesday,
Speaker 1: Either so.
Speaker 2: Oh you, got you? Got you're in the big.
Speaker 1: Chair NO i. AM i am calling The old time
Speaker 1: baseball game For Steve buckley.
Speaker 2: Again, no there you.
Speaker 1: GO i know it's a. THING i look forward to,
Speaker 1: it but DA's unless we do in the. MORNING i
Speaker 1: don't know If i'd be able to do, that so Probably.
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