WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 8/14: Key Takeaways and Observations from Joint Practices with the Minnesota Vikings 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.840 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.560 Lazar and Alex bart. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.880 Bazar and Lazarren. Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:24.880 by our bar. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.720 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bart Or did you 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.600 have to like control yourself when Tatum walked out to practice? 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:35.560 We'll talk without anything. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:36.400 I want to talk about it. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.240 In the second great question of Drake made by the 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.880 way good football talk listen. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.000 As every once in a while as a team employee, 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:45.720 I have to serve up the softball, all right? 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.240 As about the Duke un c raveries not a softball 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.040 of those guys, haven't. That's the real deal. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.279 Okay, So I want to I want to stick on 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.040 the topic hand Okay. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.600 I don't know how much basketball talk we're gonna get 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.120 into today. It is is Alex Bart in the host 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.920 chair on today's episode of Catch twenty two. Evan Lazar 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.280 in Minnesota for joint practices between the Patriots and Vikings. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.080 So changing it up here a little bit today, We'll 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.000 still have plenty of Patriots content for you over the 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.000 next two hours plus. If you want to call, I 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.880 actually don't have the number in front of me. Evan 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:18.240 you know the. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.120 Number five hundred. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.479 I mean you, I just have burned into my brain 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.679 six one seven seven seven nine zero ninety eight five. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:26.200 Okay. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.440 I don't want to start mixing up numbers there because 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.600 they'll give out the wrong number. Like one of my 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.800 big fears is giving out my personal number on the air. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.399 I've never done. Hope I never do. But if you 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.319 want to join us eight five five Pats five hundred. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.640 I also, I think I have access to the emails here. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:46.319 I do Patriots podcasts at patriots dot com. If you 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.880 want to email in and talk to us, we can 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.360 do some of that as well. But I just kind 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.160 of want to touch base with Evan and get started 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.320 here on the joint practices in Minnesota. The second of 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.559 two just wrapped up, so we'll keep it pretty general. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.840 Between the two. It kind of sounds like it was 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.120 a tale of two days. Patriots won the day on Wednesday, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.280 Vikings came back, had a much better day today. So 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.120 not trying to avoid the conversation of today. I just 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.799 think we purposely are doing this show later in the week, 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.359 later in the day than we usually do, so we 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.240 can look at the picture as a whole. But just 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.679 to catch anybody up who wasn't following along. Evan, your 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.080 quick summation of what today. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.640 Was, Yeah, what you just put it a tale of 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.799 two days. I think that's a really fair way to 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.079 point to put it. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.600 And I think overall, like that's kind of. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.400 Positive, right that the Patriots were able to win a 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.080 day against a team that won fourteen games last year 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.120 and has aspirations for the playoffs once again here in Minnesota. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.040 So I still come out of it overall feeling positive. Now, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.280 with that being said, we have to be honest about 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.080 what we saw out there today, and I don't think 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.160 anybody was too thrilled coming off the practice field with 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:57.080 how the Patriots played today so offensively to me, at 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.520 the more, if you want to look at the glass full, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.040 it's that Drake May seemed to carry himself well and 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:09.640 perform well against a really creative and exotic Brian Flores defense. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.840 I thought he kept his head and saw the field 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.320 pretty well, which is good to see. No turnovers, no 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:20.119 uncharacteristic mental errors from Drake May, So that was good 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.359 to see. But the two big things that we talked 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.880 so much about Alex with this offense are receiver separation 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.040 and pass protection. Right, are they going to be able 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.639 to check those two boxes? And I thought today the 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:35.080 Vikings defense had great coverage, sometimes they had great pass rush, 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.200 and they really were able to control practice. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.320 The one thing about that and something that stood out 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.800 to me and we talked about after the joint practice 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.080 practice with Washington, was I, you know, it was a 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.240 great day. I don't want to take away from what 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.080 that day was because I think that the team had 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:57.240 a really good day. I think overall, the offense looked 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.000 better than what you'd probably see if he went back 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.240 and combed through the film, because I think Drake May 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.160 elevated the situation at times, whether that was fitting the 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.280 ball in the tight windows, throwing guys open, creating windows 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.280 where he was placing the ball, whether that was him 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.800 maneuvering in the pocket and being his own best pass protector. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.640 I felt like that was a theme throughout that day. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.080 And I know I heard you on with Matt McCarthy 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.960 and Mark Dunderrow on the Sports before this. It sounds 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.440 like Drake May did some more that, maybe more so 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.400 on Wednesday than today, but I think between the two 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:27.760 days did some more of that. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.960 In Minnesota, Yeah, I would agree with that, And like 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.000 I said, I thought he just saw the field well 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.880 against a really creative defensive coordinator and a guy that 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.080 even Vrabel talked about more yesterday than today. Just the 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.880 amount of stuff that Brian Flores throws at you the 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.799 front of you know, the multiple fronts and the coverage 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.240 rotations and all the creative stuff that Floras did. So 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.360 the fact that Drake May was mentally able to have 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.240 a grasp on it and stay sharp in that respect 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.320 again was an overwhelming positive. And there weren't couple of 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.560 throws that were close today to Pop Douglas. In particular, 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.800 one that was a drop, a clear drop. One went 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.680 off one of his hands and was maybe a little 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.680 bit in front of him, but I think still could 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.480 have been taught that. If he catches those two passes, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.080 and there are two big plays that we can look 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.600 back on, maybe that makes us feel a little bit 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.680 more optimistic overall about how the day went. But I 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.719 still feel overall on Thursday that we have conversations now 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.880 about pass protection and maybe not as much about receiver separation. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.240 Like the big thing that yesterday brought Alex was that 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.840 the Vikings were getting home with the pass rush on 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.760 both days, But yesterday the Patriots had a couple that's 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.480 called him four or five plays where they were able 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.520 to block it and Drake May was able to hang 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.600 in there, and those were big, big plays down the field, right, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.279 Like I know a lot of people have probably seen 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.880 some of the clips of Trayvon Henderson on the wheel 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.840 route or Matt Collins getting behind the defense, So it 0:05:59.920 --> 0:06:03.040 was almost like two sides that were exchanging haymakers back 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.760 and forth. Whereas today we didn't see as many of 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.280 those punches back by the Patriots offense outside of that 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.680 Kishan Bouti throw at the end of it of practice. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.719 So I feel like maybe today we saw a little 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.080 bit more of the Vikings defense leaning on them. But 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.360 Drake May, again, I think he handled it pretty well. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.320 Yeah, it sounded like, I mean maybe some of those 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.360 yesterday were broken plays, which look, you want them taking 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.080 advantage of defensive breakdowns. There were times last year where 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.880 they didn't even do that, So that's encouraging when the 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.560 offensive line did have its tissues, And it should be 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.039 noted no Jared Wilson today, I unless I missed something 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:42.520 when I was driving here, Evan, I don't know if 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.200 you've seen that. There's no update, right, I know he 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.560 was at practice, he left early, but it wasn't you know, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.520 he didn't clearly get injured. He just left and it 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.560 was Ben Brown in for him. Right, I'm not missing 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.480 any part of that story. Okay, So should be noted 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.880 they didn't have their starting left card today, Morgan Moses. 0:06:59.920 --> 0:07:03.520 I believe practice both days, right, correct? So okay, So 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.440 so still five of five one day four or five 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.039 the other Ben Brown was in their left card today 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.840 when it didn't work for the offensive line, in your mind, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.640 what went wrong? Was it just guys getting powered? Was 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.960 it more of those line games giving them trouble like 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.840 in the game against Washington last week? Like, what what 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.320 were the pros and cons for the offensive line this week? 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:24.119 Yeah? 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.760 I thought yesterday most of the breakdowns that I saw 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.000 on the offensive line were mental of Flora's just spinning 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.800 the dial upfront and getting free runners to the quarterback. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.120 And that's gonna happen. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.880 That those scheme brushes, especially from Flora's, that that's going 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.040 to happen today. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.360 There are probably some more physical. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.880 Like one on one breakdowns, and really looking at the 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.040 left side of that line with Campbell and Ben Brown, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.320 And I do wonder here if Wilson does miss any 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.400 sort of time with whatever he's dealing with, is Ben 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.000 Brown entrenched as the top in tier back up? Because 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.000 that's what we found out today a little bit. You 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.760 know that Ben Brown is currently the top interior. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.240 So I was going to ask you that, like what 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.440 does that mean for Cole Strange? 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:06.240 Right? Like? 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.120 Do we does that hold though? Moving forward? Do they 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.960 give a look to Cole Strange? Do they give a 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.160 look to City sew or Leyden Robinson. I actually think 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.280 Makay Butler has really acclimated himself pretty well, had some 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.320 standout reps in one on one. So is it are 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.000 they set in stone with the five that we've seen 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.280 most of camp and then Ben Brown is that top 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:27.360 interior backup? 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.720 Is that one hundred percent what it's going to be? 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.240 Because I didn't think that Ben Brown had a great 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.320 day today, So maybe that's the spot that they look 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.560 at and maybe they make a change. But overall, you know, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.520 I think a lot of the pressure today was the 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:48.480 Vikings front Dallas Turner Jonathan Grenard certainly had his way 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:49.880 a little bit with Will Campbell. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.400 Those were the things that we were seeing out there. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.960 All right, talk to me about these receivers. It sounds 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.440 like pretty much across the board, the receivers had a 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.120 good week. I didn't see too much about any The 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.600 receiver is not having a great day. The big thing 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.520 to me, my big receiver takeaway from the week, admittedly 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.240 not being there, was that. Mike Vrabel today was asked 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.760 to clarify some comments Todd Downing made on Monday back 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.120 here about with Stefan Diggs. The big thing with him is, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.319 you know, when he doesn't get the ball, still understanding 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.319 he's doing his job when the volume's not there. And 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.520 we can get to that comment itself if you want. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.439 I think Diggs is going to get the ball in 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.959 volume in this offense. We've talked about this. He's probably 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:32.079 gonna be their big sluck guy. But within that answer, 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.920 so Rabel's asked about that comment with he kind of says, yeah, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.680 you know, it's it's really about the process of this 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.360 time of year, not as much as the results you're 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.679 getting open or you're creating such a separation even if 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.520 the ball is not coming your way, and unprompted, he 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.199 brings up Kyle Williams as an example of that. It 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.280 mentions Kyle Williams has been doing a lot of what 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.280 they like, even if the ball's not coming his way, 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.160 And it sounded like, ironically the ball came his way 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.000 more today after Rabel said that. But like I heard 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.640 that as that's just on the TI off his mind, right, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.560 guy who's having a good camp even if the production's 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.960 not there. I need an example, Oh, Kyle Williams. So 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.880 I know some people have questioned where has he been 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.040 at The reports have been kind of quiet. It is 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.200 tough when you watch these practices and we can't go 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.120 back over the film to kind of highlight guys that 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.640 aren't maybe around the football as much. And when you 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.400 know it happened in the game, right the game, we 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.400 had that opportunity. We went back, we looked, we talked 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.679 about it. I called it maybe the best game I've 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.720 ever seen a wide receiver play where he didn't catch 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.600 a ball. So that was my big wide receiver takeaway 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.360 just from the week and all that. What about yours? 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.120 Yeah, So I think it's sort of twofold, Like one 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.720 is the roster conversation who's going to make this team? 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.360 And then the other is just how they actually went 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.000 out there and performed in the practices. So I'll start 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.840 with the performance it was. I thought Diggs yesterday, Look, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.440 this is this is old stomping grounds for him. He 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.960 obviously Minnesota is the team that drafted him, the team 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:58.720 that traded him. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.320 So there's a lot of you know, there's. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.400 A lot of feelings I'm sure for Stefon Diggs when 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.840 he comes back here, both positive and negative. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.080 So he showed out yesterday. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.679 Yesterday was one of the best days of practice that 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.400 Stefon Diggs has had in my mind since the Patriots, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.040 since he got to the Patriots. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.000 So that was really good to see. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:20.839 Bob Douglas had his moments, you know, he had a 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.840 couple of drops or the balls go off as hands 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.119 to day that you know, maybe could have been completions, 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.880 but I thought, again, was getting open a decent amount 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.480 on both days, so that's a positive. And then that 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.880 third spot is really currently a battle between MATC Collins 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.920 and Kayshawn Booty as to who's gonna be that true 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:47.400 outside X receiver for their starting offense. And that dovetails 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.880 into like do they start to have the conversations of 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:55.960 Kyle Williams potentially competing for that role here soon moving forward. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.600 So I thought, like you said, it was a better 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.920 day for Kyle Williams, or shouldnt even say better, it 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.560 was a more noticeable day for Kyle Williams. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:03.920 Today. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.720 He caught two passes from Joshua Dobbs, who, by the way, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:07.280 Dobbs had. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:07.880 A really nice pea. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:08.800 I wanted to get to that. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.000 But he caught two passes from Dobbs in red zone, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.840 one little snag route for a short completion, but a completion, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.319 and then the other was an incut on the goal 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.760 line for a touchdown. And it was ironic or funny 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.280 that Rabel brought that up today. And then Kyle Williams 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.640 flashed a couple of times in eleven on eleven. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.080 So a better day for him. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.400 You know, they were better in sevens than they were 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.320 elevens in terms of the starters. But I did think 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.640 that at times there was some really tight coverage by 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:44.000 the Vikings and the Patriots. You know, top flight receivers struggled, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.319 especially in the red zone periods to get separation. Now, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.560 the last thing I got to mention, because the island 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.480 is expanding for Efton Chisholm. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.040 Okay, why is it an island? Forton Chism? That is 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.120 a cornerback thing. That is a quarterback thing. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.280 The island is expanded, but it's not an island. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.679 He's not a paper. That doesn't make any sense. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.679 People are building houses, people are moving in. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:07.680 There's moving truck. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.480 I'm sorry, I'm not there. I'm not on the in 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.520 on the inside joke, but like you gotta come up 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:12.480 with another analogy. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.960 No, I'm not coming. That's that's the analysess, not a cornerback. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.079 But I have no idea what that has anything to 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.559 do because that's the the island thing is associated with cornerbacks. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.200 It always has been, it always will be. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:26.520 I I mean, I. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.840 This is to This is honestly a Bill Simmons thing, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.240 like Bill Simmons talks about players all the time, like 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.760 he like he's a big, big guy with certain players 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.320 that are under the radar or whatever. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.319 Afton Chisholm. Regardless you want to get mad, I'm calling 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:41.000 it an island. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.200 I'm not saying it. I just think it's analogy. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.360 They're actually they're buying land and then they're building houses. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.000 So if you want some land on ft chishom Island alls, you. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.719 Better start to purchase right now because it's getting a 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.600 little crowded over there. He he was the best receiver 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.520 with the twoes today by a country. Like the second 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:06.320 string defense by Minnesota had his hands full with Defton Chisholm. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.839 Now it's the twos on the twos right, So we're 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.800 not talking about him going up against like a Byron 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.520 Murphy for example, with true starter reps. I don't know 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.199 how we get there because the Digs and Pop Douglas, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.120 who both had really good camps, especially Pop has really 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.080 emerged as a consistent threat. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:24.920 So I don't know how you're getting Chisholm. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.680 You know, maybe they have that Edelment Ammondola thing going 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.000 on right where both of them kind of play in 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.760 passing situations. But I'm getting to the point now where 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.960 with Defton Chisholm that I have a hard time in 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.360 envisioning a scenario where he doesn't make this team. Like 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.200 he's playing his way onto the roster, and it just 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.960 seems like he keeps getting better and better every single day. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.360 You know, we can talk about some of the individual plays. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.480 I thought the best one that he had was a 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.360 corner route in the back pylon of the end zone 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.640 from Joshua Dobbs Or. Not only did he create a 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.520 window or some separation there, but then he also finished 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.080 through some contact at the catch point. So you see 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.080 some physicality or play strength there to be able to 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.520 shield the catchpoint and finish through contact. He'd separated on 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.040 a wheel route that was more schemed open than it 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.640 was like a great route, but still like his understanding 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.000 of concepts and space and all that good stuff has 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:18.680 been present. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.240 He was just he was open. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.120 You know, he was open consistently throughout the entire practice. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.240 And like I said, I don't know how they get 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.640 reps for him with Drake May like who had. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.040 Why do you think he's not running more with the ones? 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.680 Because I think I think that's why. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.760 Like you know, if you're if you're the one, like 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.240 right now you know digs and is forward of that 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.040 Z roll and pops the slot and like are you 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.160 gonna take Like I guess you could take those guys 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.880 off the field sporadically to give Chisholm. You know some 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.880 sprinkled in one reps, right, but it's hard. I think 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.440 it's I don't think that they are in a spot 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.400 yet with him where he's better than those guys. So 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.600 I hear you like, it's in interesting and I would 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.320 love to see it. I would love to see him 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.440 with the ones to maybe get it, just to get 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.160 a look at how he does that's a. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.240 Position, just to get a look. And we were here 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.440 for Jakobe Myers when he was a UDFA and he 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.200 did this and it would like it looked good and 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.280 he was beating the twos, but it didn't really become 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.920 real until suddenly he's out there catching passes from Brady 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.800 and it was Okay, this is the real deal. And look, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.360 Ultimately that wide receiver room did not amount to being much, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.760 but it was crowded. It was crowded, just like this 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.120 one is. So I'm not saying toism's not gonna make 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.240 the team. I think he is. I just like to 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.560 kind of see him start one, see him against the 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.280 top corner, se him against Marcus Jols, right, and just 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.320 start building that chemistry with Drake may. I think that's 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.240 important too. Is seven wide receivers in play for you? 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:45.280 Yeah? 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.080 I think it asked to me because I thought Jayvon 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.200 Baker had another nice day today too, you know, I 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.080 thought he made some plays two the two's like really 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.640 as much as I had concerns about the ones, and 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.240 I know we all really only care about the ones, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.120 but the twos hadn't had a much better day than 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.040 the ones today if you're looking for positives, and Jay 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.840 Von Baker made a couple plays. He's been consistently contributing 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.959 on special teams, and they're making a lot out of 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.679 the fact that he's contributing so much on special teams. 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.800 So that's a big element to that as well. So 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.640 I do think that you're in the conversation now maybe 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.159 keeping seven wide receivers. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:24.800 I'm with you though on Chishlm. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.200 Like I, it's to the point now with Chishm where 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.320 they have to start to think about sprinkling some reps 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:36.680 with Drake May and maybe after this practice today, if 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.840 he has another preseason game like he had against Washington, 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.320 we go back to Foxborough next week and efton Chishlm 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.440 is running with some with the ones, right, I could 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:52.159 see that totally happening. But it's it's been impressive to 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.800 watch his really that Commander's preseason game. I feel like 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.840 the light kind of came on right, he had a 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.840 decent game. He had some in the second half of 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.520 that game, and then this week he's just been Joshua 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.320 Dobbs's go to guy on that second unit. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:09.800 So I could definitely see that. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.640 So it was funny if Abel was asked before practice 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.919 if there could be a battle for the second quarterback job. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.000 He kind of shot it down, Like he didn't entirely 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.760 close the door. He kind of shot it down. But 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.359 I think it was interesting he was asked that and 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.280 then josh Dobbs comes out. I'm not saying like Josh 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.120 jobs hurt it and got motivated, but. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.240 Right, I'm sure in the meeting rooms, Yeah. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.760 Right, exactly, good day for Josh Dobbs, which I think 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:33.520 he kind of needed. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.199 Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:37.639 Yeah. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.400 Else, we're on the Travon Hendr like just Trayvon Henderson. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.240 That's how real is this. He's been awesome this summer. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.159 We've seen player and I don't I'm not wishing this 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.280 on or anything. We've seen players have great summers and 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.280 then not you not one hundred percent translate, but this 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:53.760 one feels pretty real, doesn't it. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:54.719 Uh? 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:59.960 Yeah, under I mean Alex for getting old says, our 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.480 is our eighth training camp. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.000 Well you're seventh because you were back and forth to 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:05.159 New York in twenty eighteen. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:10.639 I was mostly here eighth training camp and the this 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.680 is the best skill player that I've seen them get 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.040 through the draft in my time easily covering this team 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.840 and your boys on on the sports ub today. I 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.879 think it was Don Daro asked me, like, when's the 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.359 last Like since when? 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:25.800 Right? 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.080 Like we know it's it's the best skill player they've 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.359 drafted in the last four or five years, But like 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.960 how far back are we really going? And when you 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.000 start to think about it, like do you have to 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.080 go all the way back to the Grand Crenandez draft, 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:39.280 Like do you have to go that far back? 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:40.240 Like you might? 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.679 I mean, so, the one thing he's special talent, Like 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.119 he's a special like his speed is different, he's physical, 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:53.280 his past protection is unbelievably good. He's I just don't 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.920 really have anything that I look at him as a 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.720 running back besides the fact that he's not you know, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.920 the size of like a Derek Henry right, Like he's 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.120 not a big back, yeah, but for the skill set 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.080 that he has, like that he's he's big enough and 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.800 he's strong enough. I'm just running out of reasons to 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.720 not think that this is real, or I think it's 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.959 just different because he just looks different. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.880 I think so I heard that question, is like impact 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.760 from a rookie as a whole in their rookie year. Ironically, 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.520 my mind went to Jack Jones because he had a 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.520 decent year as a rookie. But I mean, going back 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.640 before that, you talk about impact in his rookie year, 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.960 Sony and not Sony Michelle. Ramandra Stevenson in twenty twenty 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.840 one had a pretty good rookie year. But then you 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.360 go back, like Sony down the stretch that's twenty eighteen, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.120 and then before that, you know, is it if we're 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.960 just doing any rookie I think it's Chandler Jones and 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:47.760 Dante hi Toower. 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:48.760 Yeah. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:53.520 In terms of thinking, yeah, right, I was a skill position. Yeah, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.920 you're you're you're probably going that far back. I mean, 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.000 Sony Michelle had an impact. I would say he had 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.960 a pretty significant impact. It was different because he wasn't 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.560 a big play threat, right, but he had a tremendous 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.280 impact on that team. You can't say he didn't. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.000 Yeah, he had an impact. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.960 For sure, but I would just you mentioned it just there, 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.560 like it's the big plays, right, you know. Even today, 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.720 which wasn't a great day for the offense. You know, 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.000 they were working out of maybe from like the ten 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.920 to twelve yard line, and they opened up a little 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.840 bit of a crease for him on an outside zone 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.679 run and he just exploded through the hole and just 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.439 ran right into the end zone. It was like the 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.040 cleanest run that they probably had over the two days. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.879 And you just see the speed. You know, the wheel 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.680 route's going to get a lot of attention. But there 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.399 was actually a play earlier on a similar kind of 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.719 route where he had a defender on him and he 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.480 was able to go up and get the ball and 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.920 finish through some contact. At his size, he's got ability 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.679 to win at the catch point as well. And then 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.040 the pass protection, like I mentioned before, he had he's 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:00.000 had some ridiculous pass protection reps over the last two days. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.199 He took a guide today that kind of was jumping, 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:05.600 you know, in the air to try to back down 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.639 and Drake may pass and traveon Henderson. They all, you know, 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.280 with offensive lineman, they always say punish jumpers, right if 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.560 the guy's gonna jump in the air, then you should 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.239 get your hands on him and you should throw him 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.399 to the ground one hundred and whatever ninety five pounds. 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:22.120 Travion Henderson takes a linebacker who's jumping in the air 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.359 and just throws him down into the ground, and like 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.520 you're just like, this guy is just he's just really 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:29.200 good at football. 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:30.840 He's just a really good football player. 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.160 Now, it's practice, it's preseason, like all those things aside, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.199 but you can see it, like you can you know 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.840 the difference. And frankly, like we've seen skill players that 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.760 they've drafted early that don't have that kind of juice, 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.160 and we know what that looks like. Probably a little 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.720 bit too much, right, Like, we know what that looks 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.520 like a little bit too much on the flip side 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.560 of this. So when you see a guy like Trevion 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.880 Henderson do what he does, you can tell that it's different. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.440 Anything else on the offense from you from the the 0:22:58.520 --> 0:22:59.840 last couple of days. 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.159 I would you know, the tight end position was a 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.840 little quiet, I thought. 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.120 Yesterday west the top full deck. 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.960 Yeah, so Jack Westover was still in there. 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.520 He's Jack Westover's usage is actually kind of interesting for 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.320 us nerds because he's with the ones, he's running at 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.960 full back, and then they're also still sprinkling in some 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.919 tight end you know, pure tight end reps with the two's, 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.679 so they maybe have a plan or a role in 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:30.160 mind for Jack Westover. I could see that sticking. And 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.440 you know, Hunter Henry didn't practice yesterday. 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:33.760 He was back today. 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.359 Him and Hooper caught some touchdowns in red zone that 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.639 were probably some of the better eleven on eleven plays 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.600 that the Patriots had today, So that that was good 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.760 to see. I go back to the offensive line though, 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:47.280 because it's just such a sticking point. 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:47.600 For this team. 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.040 I just think everything for them offensively starts an end 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:51.680 with the ends. 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:52.240 With the line. 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.800 I think Drake may is gonna be good. I think 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.760 Josh McDaniels is gonna get guys open if they're able 0:23:57.800 --> 0:23:59.919 to block, if they're able to hold up up front. 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.320 McDaniel's gonna scheme it up like he'll get guys separation, 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.000 He'll get guys open. He'll use play action, he'll use picks, 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.720 he'll use stacks and bunches, he'll use motion like, he'll 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.320 do different things to help these receivers get off the 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.800 line of scrimmage and get open. I have no doubt 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.680 about that. I think the questions that you just have 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.600 are really the middle of the line. You know, how 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.680 does that solidify itself? Garrett Bradbury, Jared Wilson or wherever 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:31.080 he's at left guard, and then Campbell? You know Campbell today? 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.640 You know Grenard, Grenard had the advantage. You know, there's 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.600 no doubt about it. You know, some of these sacks 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.800 you don't know right, Like he kind of taps Drake 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:41.280 May on the way by, Like what do you have 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:42.240 sacked him in a game? 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:43.240 Who knows? 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.359 But that's really where I'm at, And it's kind of 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.080 like where I've just been at, I guess, And really 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.480 it's where just keep going in circles with this with 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.560 the offensive line that it's It's just that's the sticking point. 0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:00.000 If they can block consistently, then I think they're gonna 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:01.119 to be a pretty good offense. 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.800 Just real quick on westover to go back. I actually 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.919 talked to Thomas Brown on Monday about him, and he 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:08.520 said one of the things that stood out to him 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.120 is that versatility, the ability to play full back and 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.120 play why and play f tight end. So if you're 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.960 the Patriots, Right, and you want to keep a third 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:18.800 tight end and you want to keep a full back, Well, 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.480 Westover maybe saves you a roster spot because if he 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.240 can do both, well, now, maybe that's where the seventh 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.960 wide receiver comes from, or that's where a tenth offensive 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.320 lineman comes from, or another corner or something like that. 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.840 And look, when you want to go super heavy, right 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.399 and you want three tight ends and the fullback, you 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.040 just put Caden Wallace whoever, up on the line of 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.959 scrimmage and he begins your third tight end. So I 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.639 think Westover's probably and I don't Again, I haven't been 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.920 there this week, so you we're gonna have to fill 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.119 in the blank blank. From the last two days, it 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:50.960 feels like Westover's going to make the team and be 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.679 the fullback. At least that's what it felt like to 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.440 me before they left for Minnesota. 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:58.840 Yeah, I definitely think that that's where we're at now. 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:03.760 The question that I have with Westover is the fullback 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:04.679 not on the roster? 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:05.520 Yeah? 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:09.520 Is there a waiver a guy that gets placed on 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.840 waivers or cut on cutdown day? 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:14.679 Does a team not that they. 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.560 Were going to have a traditional fullback and then they 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.600 got into camp and realized that they kind of wanted 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:22.040 to pivotwa pivot away from a traditional fullback, and you 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.320 could trade for one or just acquire one somehow from 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.840 a different avenue because Westover's had some good blocks. He 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.600 caught a team touchdown from Joshua Dobbs in the one 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.879 minute drill to end practice today. That was a nice moment. 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:40.720 So it's not that he has no plus plays or highlights, 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.040 whatever you want to call it to think about. But 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.440 I don't know if, like I had on my Bengo card, 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.600 that Jack Westover was going to make this team. And 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.439 I don't necessarily think that it's like an Efting Chisholm 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.200 situation where he's really just coming on strong to make 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:55.760 the roster. 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:56.960 So we'll see. 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:01.119 But your point about his versatility is really what it 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.399 is is if he can do that, if he can 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.760 kind of be a jack of all trades, then that 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:06.480 might be enough. 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.240 Again, we'll go We'll go pretty phone and email heavy 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.119 today eight five five, pass, five hundred. I want to 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:12.719 hit on a couple more things from the joint practice. 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.600 I also realized we haven't had a show since the game, 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:15.600 so we should probably talk. 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.280 A little bit about that. That's true. 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.160 I know how tough it is with these joint practices 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:20.840 when they're on two fields at once and he can't 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.360 watch everything, and it sounds like you're watching mostly the offense. 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.520 So all just like like big picture thoughts on the defense. 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.639 It sounded like they had a better day yesterday than today. 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.880 How much did JJ McCarthy suck? Like, what'd you see 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:32.520 from that unit? 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.080 So I wish I could report that JJ McCarthy had 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:37.040 two terrible days. 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.320 No, I'm just kidding, but I you know, we both. 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.159 I know he had won. I know from seeing the reports, 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:41.800 I know he had one. 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.879 Felt about JJ McCarthy he had a good day today 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.200 all by all accounts, And I'm comparing notes with Deuce 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.560 and other people that were watching defense. It wasn't it 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.640 wasn't a lot, right, but everybody that had two people here, 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.320 it felt like they divided and conquered over the last 0:27:58.400 --> 0:27:59.159 couple of days. 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.280 But I would you look at the defense. 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.280 I think there was some pressure on McCarthy, which is 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.800 good to hear. You know, Christian Barmore was back out 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.399 there today. Sounded like early on in the practice he 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.200 was able to get some pressures and get in the backfield. 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.520 Yesterday it was Landry and Williams that were sort of 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.480 ups or stars of the day on the defensive side 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.040 of the ball getting in the backfield. So it does 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.320 sound like, even though McCarthy kind of you know, punched 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.240 back today, so to speak, that the defense and the 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:32.480 pressure had was impactful or noticeable. I think the things 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.520 that defensively that were you know, there are things that 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.280 just stir on my mind and I want to well, 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.160 let's go one at a time, because I think there's 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.360 a lot to unpack. The biggest thing that's on my 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.160 mind right now is how they're going to cover tight ends? Yeah, 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.120 and I don't just mean that who's going to cover 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.640 the tight end? I mean literally how like, what's the 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.880 game plan, what's the scheme, what's the x's and knows 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.080 of how they're going to go about covering tight ends 0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:01.080 in this defense because we knew with Belichick man to 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.160 man defense, they had those tight end stopps, you know, 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.880 the safety hybrids that they would use a lot on 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.960 the tight ends. But in this camp and these joint practices, 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.840 even going back to the one in Foxborough with the 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.080 commanders that you can speak to more with Ertz, like 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.600 Ertz has given them problems last week, and Howkinson has 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.160 given them problems this week. And we all know who's 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.400 coming here week one with the Las Vegas Raiders and 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.240 brought Bowers. So I want to get to ahead of 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.000 ourselves to start talking about week one. 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:33.200 But how are they going to cover them? What's the 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:34.360 schematic wrinkles? 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:39.000 And who is equipped in this defensive back room to 0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:44.000 cover them? Because yesterday they primarily put Jabriel Peppers on TJ. 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.840 Hockinson and that didn't go so well. Today it sounded 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.800 like it was a lot of Marcus Jones on TJ. 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:54.800 Howkinson and that didn't go particularly well either. So what 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:55.680 are they doing there? 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:57.320 So there were two things I want to ask them. 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.720 They both kind of relate to this. What it was 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:01.120 Carl Davis more involved. 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.080 Today, Yes, the outside? 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:05.920 How did he look? Does he look healthy? Does he 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:06.320 look good? 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.160 Yeah? He looks he looks normal. He looks like Carlton Davis. 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.840 You know, I didn't think that his guys were really 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.080 the primary guys honestly, and I don't mean to pick 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.040 on him, but the guy that that really got picked on, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.160 which kind of is my second thing here, was Marcus Jones. 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.400 You know, Marcus Jones was the one that they were 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:23.080 really targeting. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.400 But but one of these things, well, so okay, and 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.080 I want to get back to that. And there's another 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.280 part of this that we need to mention too, obviously 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:35.800 if you're we'll get to him. Was this because this 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.360 happens with Marcus Jones every once in a while. Did 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.360 Marcus Jones struggle because he was out of position and 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.160 he was getting beat on leverage and he wasn't reading 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.840 routes right? Or did Marcus Jones struggle because he's five 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:47.640 eight and they're asking him the guys to they're asking 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:49.880 him to cover guys that are six five because the 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.480 second one, okay, so that one doesn't bother me. Just 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.160 and look, I like Marcus Jones. He's a good player, 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.600 and I think he plays with tremendous physicality for his size. 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.680 I do, It's part of what makes I'm a good player. 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.000 There's still a limitation to that in terms of height. 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.160 Like I remember when they had him, I think it 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.800 was twenty two. Was it twenty one or twenty two? Well, 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:11.240 he was in the twenty two drafts, It wouldn't have 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.920 been twenty one. The Bengals came here in like November, 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.880 and they had him covering T Higgins and he was 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:19.600 on T Higgins for most of the game, but they 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:21.400 just started throwing T Higgins jump balls and at the 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:24.000 end of the day, I mean they both have elite verticals. 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.760 You start at six' five versus started five to, eight 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:31.480 one guy's gonna. Win so that that doesn't bother me so. 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.760 Much Like Marcus jones shouldn't be covering tight. Ends you 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.600 shouldn't be asked to be doing that just size. Wise 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.120 it's not a. Fit Carlton davis could be an. Answer 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.400 the other guy who probably is not an answer here 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.680 based on what we've seen this, camp BUT i wonder 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.240 if he was supposed to be a part of the 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.280 answer to that question and it hasn't worked, out Is 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.880 kyle Dugger and for people who have missed, It Kyle 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.160 duggar's running with the twos today With Jabrill peppers, out 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:58.920 it sounds like he was still with the twos and 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.520 it was Del pettis moving, up if that's. Correct, Devan 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:03.920 was that the, Case. 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:05.040 Yeah, yeah that was the. 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:05.400 Case. 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.600 Yeah like With, douger let me be, clear, boy that 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:12.040 they're Not douger's usage is not reflected of a player 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.520 who's outright. Cut that, Is AND i don't mean to 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:15.880 pick on the guy because you, Know i'm a fan of. 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.640 His That Anthony jennings is being used like a player 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.800 who's not gonna make the. Team Avery jennings is on 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.560 the scout. Team that's. It he played till the end 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.200 of the preseason. Game, like that's indicative of a player 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:26.760 who they don't play. On keep picking. AROUND i hope 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.080 they can trade. Him it would really suck to have 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:30.800 to cut a player that has his talent but he's 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:33.640 not a fit for the. Defense, FINE i get. It you, 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.280 know maybe you can find him a, Role BUT i get. 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.880 It Kyle duggar is being used like a bubble. Player 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.800 Kyle dugger's being used like a player who's you, know 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.480 if you were to rank the roster one to ninety 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.480 fifty three guys make, it he's probably fifty four to fifty, 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:50.160 five fifty, six, right so or fit between fifty and fifty, 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.800 six just on or just. Off what complicates it is 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.360 he's on a fourteen million dollar contract that they really 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.760 don't save a lot of money this. Year if they cut, 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.760 him they save, money they trade, him they save money 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.800 for the. Future but you could also cut him after 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.320 this year and still save that. Money so do you 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.240 keep a fourteen million dollar? Woid essentially would be a, 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.960 Backup and there are some questions that go into. That 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.880 how would he handle? That you, know what are your other? 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.000 Options so JUST i guess putting that all on the. 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.440 Table what have you seen For kyle From Kyle, Duggart 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:24.960 where do you think this? Goes? 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:29.000 WELL i would just take From Kyle, DUGGART i would 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.320 just Take Michael mike rabel At fay's value here when 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:37.000 he says it's. Sad his answer yesterday to The dugger, question, 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.920 yeah was that it's mostly, mental, right it's, system it's 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.400 a scheme. Change and even though there's a different coach 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.280 here last, Year Kyle duggar has only ever been in 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.480 The belichick defense since he got. Drafted so when he 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.640 comes in here and now he's in a whole new 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.320 defense and he's learning not to pick on where he 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.840 went to. School But Leonora ryan was probably not running 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.440 AN nfl, defense, Right and so like we're really talking 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:06.040 About Kyle DUGGER'S nfl experience all being in The belichick, 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.919 playbook and now you put this new defense in which 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.640 is a lot more split, safety it's a lot more quarters. 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:16.440 Based there is still Manton, man but it's just. Different 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.960 and so the guys that are getting, Run Craig, Woodson Jalen, 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.400 howkins like those guys are pure free. 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.280 Safeties they're. PRIORITY i Think. 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.200 Craig woodson's a pure free safety or more of a, 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:28.120 TWEENER i, see it's. 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.399 MORE i think he's a pure free. 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.799 Safety SO i think would you put him on tight 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:33.239 ends Or? 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.480 NO i don't think, so BECAUSE i think the biggest 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.320 issue that they had With hockinson. 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:39.960 Today, hey and. 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:41.600 And maybe you KNOW i watched a little bit more 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:45.000 of it today than, yesterday is that it's not that 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.920 they're guys that there are covering him are getting. Dusted 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.520 it's catch points, stuff, Right And Greig woodson doesn't have 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.680 a great length and armspan, Either so like that's the 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.239 biggest issue is, that you, Know Marcus, jones you mentioned 0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.879 the five foot eight. Thing it's not just that he's 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.560 only five foot, eight it's also that his reach just isn't. 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.920 Great so when he gets on the back of a 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.920 tight end and the tight end is just able to 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.920 just box him. Out like it's not even about, elevation 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:16.040 it's also just about catch, point you, know ability to 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:17.920 reach into the cookie. 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.399 Jar there and get the ball when he's. 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:25.319 Targeted SO i just look at this like schematically to 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:29.440 talk about it From max's nose, Standpoint is it just 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.680 as simple as when you face a really good tight 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.239 end like A hockinson or like A, bowers that you 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.320 have a primary man to man, defender but you also 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.520 are either bracketing, him or you have robber help or 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.319 low hule, help or he's playing off of help to 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.080 the middle of the field so that it's helping him 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.279 take away certain routes and he can just kind of 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.480 focus on covering the seams and covering you know that 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.400 type of. Thing, Right we've seen that in the past With, 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.800 belichick that he would do that against you, know number, 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.799 ones you, know really good. Receivers but then like the 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.840 other side of that is is when they go in 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:08.480 against an offense that has you, know other playmakers where 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.680 you might not be able to commit all those resources 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:16.160 to covering a tight, end and then there's really one 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.640 on one matchups with the tight, end, Right, like then 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:22.959 what do you do because, right now Like ERT's last, 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.000 week it was kind Of Kyle, dugger and that's sort 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.080 of what started this whole thing With Kyle. DUGGER i 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.560 think is That ERT's had a lot of connections With 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.440 Jayden daniels in the joint practice with The. Commanders you, 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.919 know this, Week conkinson has picked on some guys. Too 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.640 so my, QUESTION i guess to you and just to 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.759 for the sake of, conversation like Because Alex austin get 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.440 into this mix at some, point maybe like that's the 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.200 only other guy THAT i can think, of because you're 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.880 gonna Have Christian gonzalez And Carlton davis as your primary. 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.359 Corners Alex austin's had a nice. 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.239 CAMP i think he's AN nfl. CORNER i think he's 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.480 a third corner in this. League but maybe in order 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:03.600 to get him on the field and to get some 0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.520 size on those tight, ends like maybe you could not fully, 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.799 convert like you can still play some outside, corner but 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:14.239 maybe in certain game, Plans Alex austen is the guy 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.040 that on third down is covering the tight. 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.279 End, well, look If rabel comes from that That belichick, 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:23.080 background where we Know bill would look at elite tight 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.480 ends and treat them like wide. Receivers he called them wide. 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:29.680 Receivers so is it you're Calling Alex austin a safeter 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.720 or is it you're calling Brock bauers a wide, receiver 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.879 BECAUSE i think it might be more of the. Latter and, 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.480 YEAH i MEAN i don't Hate Alex austen as a 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.960 tight end, stopper you, know with. HELP i think with The, 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.440 raiders and we've talked about, this you can probably Use 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.520 Carlton davis because they don't have the wide receiver depth right. 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.839 Now you, know when you play The steelers and they 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.719 HAVE Dk metcalf and why AM i blanking on their 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:54.440 other outside? 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.480 Guy it's Not George pickens. 0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:59.360 Anymore, NO i know it's. Not that's WHAT i almost. 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.759 Said we're we're both playing king on it at the. 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:03.719 Moment keep. Talking i'll. 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.000 LOOK i almost Said Matthew golden BECAUSE i REMEMBER i 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:07.880 Mocked Matthew golden to, them and that would have been 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.239 a sneaky fun pick if they'd done. 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:09.359 It. 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.879 Yeah so the reason why we can't think of it 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:12.880 is because it's, like it's not. 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.719 Great they don't really have. Anybody, YEAH i thought they 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:15.360 had another. 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.680 Guy all, Right Robert WOODS i, Mean i'm A Roman wilson, 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:18.520 guy but he's more of a. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.680 Whoever whoever they face that has a good tight end 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.759 and two outside, guys, Right like then maybe It's Alex. 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.040 AUSTIN i still don't Hate Carlton davison in that. Role you, 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.799 know has anybody thrown out The Carlton davis that keep 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.640 to leap comp? Yet or AM i the first ye to? 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.040 Do AND i do agree with, that but like if 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.000 they if you play a team AND i know it's 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.200 not every team that's built this, way and and Justin 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:46.040 jefferson wasn't practicing today but or, Yesterday but like the 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.600 WAY i think about thought about it with This vikings, 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.280 Matchup like if you're playing The vikings in a regular 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.480 season game and their offense was fully, healthy you Have 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.600 jefferson And, addison, Right so like you're not going to 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.640 put That dollas Or davis On. Hockinson but how many 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.279 of those teams are they going to? FACE i mean 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.759 in the, division you at least Have, miami, right you. 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.320 Know miami is Different. Miami you can Use Marcus jones 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.600 on the. Outside, yeah that's, Fair so that frees Up 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.200 Carlton davis that's. 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:19.719 FAIR i, yeah it's JUST i guess it's more like 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.480 it's two. Full it's a blind spot to, ME i 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:26.560 think in terms of how this scheme handles tight ends in, 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.560 general because we were so accustomed to how they did 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.040 it Under belichick THAT i still don't one hundred percent 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.920 have a great feel for what they want to. Do you, know, practices, 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.080 practice like they're running their base coverages and things like. 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.920 That they're not going to like game PLAN. Tj hockinson 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.719 for a joint. Practice so that's one. 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.960 Thing so just real quick to go through. It Like, 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:52.319 raiders No, dolphins No, steelers No. Panthers, no they don't 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.480 have like they don't have in, McMillan even we don't 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.279 know what he's going to. Be The bills don't have 0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.000 to elite outside. Guys they do have a good tight 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.279 BUT i think you Can Carl davis on tight. End There, 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:08.719 saints No, titans No, brown's No, falcons probably. Not who's 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.560 their guy Opposite london at this. 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.759 Point, Oh Darnell. Mooney he's a good, player. 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.520 Yeah but he you can Put Marcus jones On Darnell. Mooney, 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:21.000 Yeah like just for the, Record So, tampa Although. Tampa 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.840 Who's Tampas titan is still, Uh Who's Tampas? 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:24.080 Titan? 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:28.719 Oh oh, man we're really quizzing ourselves right now on THE. 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:30.959 I, MEAN i know most of. THESE i feel good about. 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:32.759 It most of THESE i have off the. Time it's 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.359 THE nfc teams that tripped me. Up So tampa has 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.359 the two great outside, guys but they're starting Tight, okay 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:38.920 It's Kate. AUGHTON i don't know WHY i Thought Kate 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.600 aughton was like older than. That Kate hughton's only twenty, 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.480 six WHILE i thought he'd been there for a few 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.680 years When brady got. THERE i guess not like you're 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.560 not worried About Kate aughton like you're worried about Brock. 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.920 Bauers so that's one where they have the two outside, 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:53.879 guys but you're not worried about what's going on at tight. 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:58.840 End The jets know The. Bengals maybe if everybody's healthy 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.239 at that, point because you're gonna Have obviously there are 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.480 two big guys on the, Outside yoshavas and the, slot 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:10.520 and They're gasiki's been good for this, Solved so, Okay 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:13.640 november twenty, third you got to come up with a 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.720 plan By thanksgiving, basically and Then Giants. Bills The ravens 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.239 would be another, one and then The jets and The. 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.160 Dolphins so you have two games where this kind of 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.359 layout might actually be a problem three if you want 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.080 to count The bucks if you're a big fan Of Kate. 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:34.040 Otten none of those games are Till, november so it 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.120 is something to figure, out like in the short, term, 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.200 Though i'm Not i'm not against putting carl And i'm 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.160 sure we missed one of people yells yell at us 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.440 in the, comments but there's clearly not that, MANY i 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:46.960 think for a good amount of the. Season if you're 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:48.640 worried about facing an elite tight, end you can Move 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.279 Carlton davis inside or not, inside but against the tight, 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.000 end and some of those tight ends line up on the. 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.879 Boundary and, yeah when you get To november twenty third 0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.040 and you're playing The, Bengals i'm sure we'll talk a 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.200 lot about it on that. Show hopefully by that, point 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.960 Either Kyle duggar's figured out the defense Or Craig woodson 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:09.080 has shown you some more chops in coverage or. Whatever right, 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.279 Something it's a long. Season things. Happen just to put a. 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.160 Ball on the, conversation, though what do you think ultimately 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:15.799 happens With Kyle. 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.239 Dugger, YEAH i don't. 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.920 Know it's it's an expensive, backup, RIGHT i, mean if 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.399 that's the role for, him, yeah but it. 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.840 Is but they there's not this massive crunch for roster, 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.520 Spots like he still is probably one of the fifty 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.960 three best players on the, team and they have the cap. 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.319 Space SO i. 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.400 Think the biggest Thing they're not a team that's prohibited 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:37.400 from keeping expensive. 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:40.640 Backup SO i think that the thing THAT i see 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.680 With Kyle duggart that first of, all just off off 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.000 the top Of Kyle, dugger, Like i'm A Kyle dugger. 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.960 GUY i kind of have been an apologiest for him 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:51.200 over the last couple of. 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:55.520 Years he's had highs and high highs and low lows at. 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.800 Times you, know he does give up plays and, coverage 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:58.719 but when. 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.480 He's at his, best he's makes a handful of just, 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:06.080 dynamic splast plays on the, ball and that those can 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.080 be really. Valuable you, KNOW i will always go back 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:11.880 to him jumping that screen against The raiders and just 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.160 walking into the end, Zone like those types of plays 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.520 that he would make or were rare Plays but the 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:20.120 thing With Kyle, dugger in my, mind is a combination 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:25.720 of is his athleticism sapped by that injury last year 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.360 and he's not all the way back because this was 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.839 an explosive, Athlete like he was a great combine tester coming. 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.719 Out he was an explosive athlete for the first couple 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.320 of years of his career until last year when he was, 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.759 hurt AND i thought he was gonna come back and 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:42.480 be the guy that we saw two years, ago, hopefully 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:43.200 and he just. 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:47.600 Hasn't he doesn't move as well right? Now? Now is 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.800 that also like long witted, answer but, like is that also? Mental? 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.279 Right is it also that he's not protesting the game 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.440 quick enough because of this this scheme change and the 0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:00.200 difference in the, Defense like that's also possible, Too SO 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.880 i just, wonder you, know you brought Up Anthony. JENNINGS 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.759 i feel a similar way About Jelanni, Tovai like Is kyle? 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.480 Hurt that's IT'S i, know BUT i But i'm also 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.400 just thinking about, like, like is it is A Jelawnie 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:14.120 devis style. 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.799 LINEBACKER i get what you're, Saying, okay a fit in this? 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:18.839 Defense like does that does do they have a role 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.040 for that kind of player in this defense. 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:22.880 As a, backup, probably but it's not a significant. 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.040 ROLE i don't know. 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.480 WHERE i don't know If Kyle dugger is a schematic 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:31.480 fit in the defense that they want to. Run and 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.799 maybe that's not a this year thing because you can't 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:38.120 turn over the entire roster in one offseason and you're 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.839 gonna have guys that are going to be holdovers from 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:41.280 a different. 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.040 Scheme but it just long. 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.840 TERM i look At Kyle dugger and, say maybe this 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.800 just isn't it's not the right defense for. 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.359 Him, YEAH i get trust did roster turnover things? Big 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:53.799 i've been playing madd and it's hard to get the 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.200 whole roster turned oversquising. ON i Have madden codes by 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:57.560 the way On, twitter if you want to go check that. 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:01.000 Out uh real, Quick, Evan i'll you submit to win 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.040 A madden. Code, okay your Favorite and a lot of 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.200 people have not read the directions Because i've gotten quite 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:10.800 a few answers that say The Malcolm butler interception or 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.719 The James white. Touchdown but if you read the, DIRECTIONS 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:19.759 i asked for people's Favorite patriots regular season. MEMORY i 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.600 almost did regular season touchdown AND i THOUGHT i thought 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.000 too many people would just Say Campbell. TOMPKINS i wanted 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.560 the wider, gap And i've gotten some good. Ones it's 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.120 gonna be a tough. Choice i'm going to decide tomorrow 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.000 because they haven't actually sent. Me they'd send you the 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:37.120 codes like twenty four hours. Later but favorite regular Season patriots, 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.960 MEMORY i have. MINE i have. TWO i, like one's 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.160 my personal favorite and ONE i just think was like 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:42.680 my favorite. 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.480 Game, okay SO i have. 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.080 Two, okay naturally that's how this show would. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.440 Go AND i have a difficult time, deciding okay between 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.120 these two BECAUSE i think both of. 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.479 Them i'm trying To i'm. 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.239 Not asking you for the best, game like your personal. 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.360 Favorite there's pert. Like So i'll give you one for 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:06.160 me is the fifty nine to nothing snow game against The, 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:10.439 titans because that's a whole. Game that's not A I 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:12.879 i'll count as a. Moment it's kind of Wide i'll 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.200 count as a. Moment that's. Fair the REASON i like 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.520 that game IS i don't remember, why but my parents 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.880 and my brother had something like they were. OUT i 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:22.160 used to love it when it, SNOWED i like had 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.640 the house to. Myself it was a snowy day AND 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:26.799 i just sat down and watched The patriots go belt 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.640 to ask like that was just a that WAS i 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:31.920 just had so much fun watching that. Game that's always 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:36.200 a fund. Memory and then the the the twenty four 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.239 point comeback against The, BRONCOS i think was just like, 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:39.640 Exhilarating like. 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.759 That was just. ELECTRIC i was at. 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:43.400 That you were you were at every game THAT i 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:43.920 WISH i was. 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.680 AT i was at that game sitting on the fifty yard. 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:48.400 Line thank you to my. 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.600 Uncle one other, one, TOO i gotta give you Is 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:52.440 David patten's. 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:56.040 Cycle, okay SO i have two that stand out for. 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:59.120 Me maybe these an't just because of how iconic they 0:46:59.120 --> 0:46:59.800 are On patriots. 0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:04.160 Is. Yeah the first one Is Randy moss breaking the 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:05.040 record With Tom. 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.799 Brady and that has been a popular. ANSWER i, mean 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.560 that's that's gotta be near the. TIME i, mean SO 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.560 i probably wouldn't have been able to do this prompt 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.000 if they win That Super, bowl because that would across 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:18.960 the board be the. Answer the only reason that's not 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.239 the greatest regular season moment In patriots history is because 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:22.959 of what comes after. 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:28.080 It breaking the records simultaneously on one throw and having 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:32.600 it be a Vintage, moss you, know Just Tyreek kill 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.839 putting up the peace sign like that is. 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.040 And let's not forget number. One not only to break 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.799 both their, records it essentially locked up that game to go. 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:45.720 Sixteen and, yeah and they tried the same play the snap. 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.960 BEFORE i Think brady overthrew them right or something like 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.400 they missed the times didn't stop, it they missed. It 0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:53.880 they go back to the huddle AND i think it was, 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:55.560 LIKE i forget the, story but Like moss says To 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:57.600 brady or someone's, like do it, Again let's do it, 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.040 again and then they run it back because they wanted that. 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:01.719 Moment they wanted it to look like. That what's your other? 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:05.120 One so my other, ONE i think is that's the 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:06.480 biggest moment THAT i can think. 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.560 Of but this ONE i think is your personal. 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.960 Favorite, though uh THIS i don't know if it's my personal, favorite, 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:14.360 okay but this this, ONE i would, say The moss 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:16.760 one is probably my personal. Favorite, Okay but this ONE 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:20.440 i think is probably maybe the most, important and that 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:22.440 Is Troy brown's walk off touchdown In. 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:26.319 Miami you know nobody, ELSE i don't, Think and, Look 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:27.799 i've been on the. Show i've kind of been looking 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.240 at them While i'm on the. SHOW i just tweeted 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.080 this out BEFORE i drove down. HERE i don't Think 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:35.800 i've seen a single person say, That so If i'm. 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:38.239 Not picking on, anybody we are both young when that. 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.560 Happened, yeah that might be the age demographic of our. 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:49.000 Audience Troy brown's walk off touchdown Against, miami which by the, 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:54.799 way is an extremely Underrated Tom brady throw like, That, yeah, yeah. 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:55.279 That's a heck of a. 0:48:55.320 --> 0:49:00.799 Throw and they hadn't won In miami And, eon and 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:05.920 it was a moment where that that team clearly stated 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.960 that they were a different, team, RIGHT i think they 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.680 were no longer gonna go down To miami and get 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.000 their butts. Kicked that was back WHEN i think The 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:18.160 dolphins the baseball diamonds like on the field and Try 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:24.120 brown's running through, it belichick headset thrown up in the 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.799 air like on the sideline like that was at the 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.319 at the. Time that Was, HONESTLY i know this is 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:31.920 kind of, sad but like that was one of the 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.560 bigger wins In patriots history at the time. 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.879 Because they couldn't win The MIAMI i, mean they don't 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:38.640 win The. Miami, yeah as. 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.080 Terms of regular like obviously they, won you, know an 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.040 eighty five against The dolphins THE Afc championship. Game you, 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.760 know that's a huge one before, that BUT i would 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.160 say that's one of the biggest regular season wins In 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.400 patriots history because it's kind of blouses after, That like they're. 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.480 Just dominant for twenty years from that. 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:56.799 Point that was before we expected them to win that 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.120 game like. That that's back when it was so. SURPRISED 0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.960 i just pulled it up some wild. Ones the first 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.319 ONE i pulled up The Marcus jones walk off punt 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:04.920 return against The. 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:06.279 Jets, no that was. 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:06.880 Fun that was. 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:07.600 Fun that Was. 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:11.160 Ellis one hundred and eight yard kick return, touchdown a 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.600 sneaky good. One the Drawn harmon pick on the goal 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.840 line Against. Pittsburgh, yep The Jesse james caught. 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:18.560 It, Game yeah he got. It, yep. 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:23.719 Yep twenty four Nothing, broncos The, brady The moss is? 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.600 There how About moss going up over the three. Defenders 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:30.840 that one's. There, yeah but fumble has been a popular. 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:36.640 Answer dan connolly kick return is a good one, Anyway 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:38.399 those are up. There. Yeah so like if you're Saying 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:40.440 Malcolm Butler's Super bowl, Interception, like you didn't read the, 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:42.839 directions so just read the. Directions it's not that hard 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.120 back joint practices anything. ELSE i think we covered everything 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:47.839 from the defense, there, right or DID. 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:51.480 I guess the other one THAT i would just say, 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:56.920 defensively you? Know, YEAH i think that it kind of 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.520 goes hand in hand with the tight end take is 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:00.560 that nickel? 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.960 Corner and maybe this. 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:06.840 Is just reasons he, biased but they've talked so much about, 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:11.040 everybody and the organization has talked so much about the big, 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:12.719 nickel right and wanting. 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:14.680 To have a guy that has some. Side isn't That? 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:17.720 Austin is It? Austin? 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:20.759 PROBABLY i, mean at this point With marcel's, dial you, 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.560 know out for the, year it's really, no there's not 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:25.440 a ton of. Competition BUT i just, wonder you, know 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.279 If Marcus jones is their type of slot corner And 0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:30.200 Mark jones is gonna be on the, team, Right and 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.919 don't get me, wrong he's gonna be a primary punt. 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:37.880 Returner he's gonna play a corner slot corner a, lot 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.840 and probably in certain matchups more than. Others BUT i 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.720 still think he's gonna be on the field a. LOT 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.000 i just wonder, if, like maybe there's a world where It's, 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:50.360 Gonzales davis And austin and those are your three guys 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:52.880 for all the reasons that we talked about with the 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:54.799 tight end, stuff you, know it's kind of all in 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:58.840 the same bucket for me in terms of just getting you, 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.480 know the type of body types that they really would, 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.600 prefer BECAUSE i don't, Know LIKE i, said maybe it's 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.279 just recency bias And Marcus jones had a tough day 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.680 today and that's just you know where it. Is but, 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.160 OVERALL i just wonder about that with them defensively because 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:18.280 there was just ALL jj McCarthy was doing. Today alps 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.840 was just putting the ball in a place That Marcus 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.960 jones simply just could not get to, Right and that's 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.279 JUST i wonder how much they're going to live with. 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.359 THAT i think some of that's matchup pace. Too we've 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:29.799 talked about, this like when you play The, dolphins you're 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:31.920 probably gonna use More Marcus, jones when you play The, 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:35.160 bengals you're probably. Not, LIKE i think he's kind of 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:36.759 a matchup Play he's a good matchup, player BUT i 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.080 think he's kind of a matchup player all, right you 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.120 have to do this. Now for, me it was usually 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.240 the other way. Around, yes how did the kickers? 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.439 Look so they didn't do a ton of killing, today, 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:48.800 okay WHICH i, thought WHICH i thought was. WEIRD i 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:51.080 thought they were going to do more special. Teams actually 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:55.920 did punt, today like live, punt which was. INTERESTING i 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.600 thought The patriots actually had a couple of good, returns 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.359 and Then gibson had a nice kickoff. Return so they 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:06.520 did a lot of live punt and live kickoff where 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.879 they were like actually punting and kicking the ball at now. 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.680 The kickoff involves the kickers like. That Jeremy springer told 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:12.799 us last week that's a part of. 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:17.560 It, yes, YEAH i would say though Yesterday borgalas handled 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:20.399 all of the field goals and they did kick six 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.480 field goals and he was five for six and they 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.239 gave him multi, Borgals so. 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:29.720 Take that for what it's. Worth that was, yeah that 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:30.520 that's how that went. 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.960 Yesterday and then today the special teams periods which they 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.600 mixed in to give you, know the starters breathers in, 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:41.320 between you, know eleven on eleven's they the special teams, 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:45.560 periods we were punt and kickoff return instead of field. 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:50.560 Goals so there you go real quick. Here before we 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:52.000 we're gonna go to the, Phones we're gonna go to the. 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:53.799 EMAILS i see a bunch of guys lined up eight 0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:56.960 five to, Five pats five hundred or podcast At patriots dot. 0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:59.480 Com we should touch on it because we haven't done 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:01.319 a show since the. Game it feels like it was 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.439 three weeks ago at this, point but they did play 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:06.520 a preseason game since our last. Show just any big 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.279 picture thoughts coming away from that game that you want 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:09.680 to get out? 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:14.239 There big picture thoughts do? You just starting with the. 0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:16.680 OFFENSE i think we all had the same takeaway from that, 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:20.520 game which was that the pass offense with the starters wasn't. 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:22.920 Great you, know it wasn't exactly what you were hoping to. 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.680 SEE i, Thought Drake, may you, know we haven't really 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:26.600 talked about the strip. 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:27.600 Sack you. 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:31.680 KNOW i Asked Ashton grant about the read on the strip. 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.239 Sack he told me That Drake may's eyes were in 0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:37.919 the right. Place SO i Guess i'll Take Ashton grant 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.400 as a coach on AN nfl, team So i'm going 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.040 to take his word for. It but the WAY i 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:47.000 saw it on the strip, sack AND i know everybody 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:49.840 sort of makes, THAT i, guess you, know just everybody 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:51.920 makes a lot out to do with the decision to 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.040 try to throw the ball while he was getting dragged 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.000 to the, ground which immediately was not a great, decision, Right, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.600 LIKE i totally get. That but the WAY i look 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.480 at it is, like could he have avoided it all? Together, Right, 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:06.080 like is there a way you, know feasibly That like 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.560 we don't even get to that, point, Right. Yeah AND 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:12.719 i just look at that play and the commanders like 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:16.120 spin the coverage post snap, right they SHOW i want to, 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:19.360 say they showed one high and then they drop out 0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:23.560 into too high coverage and he's got slant flat to his, 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.920 Left Treyvon henderson running releasing into the, flat AND i 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.799 think it Was Kishon boody on the. Slant you don't 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.839 want to throw slant fat into cover. Too it's just 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:36.759 not a Good it's not a good concept to throw 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:41.319 against that coverage because the the squatting corner on the 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.080 outside is going to pass the slant off to the 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.719 inside hook and then he's gonna take the flat Right 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:49.359 like they have two defenders on two receivers over, There 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:51.960 so you. Don't it's not a great concept to work 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:55.960 against too high coverage for that. REASON i, REMEMBER i 0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.200 think it Was games With names With, edelman Like Ernie 0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.680 adams went on a one time and they were talking 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:02.799 about Facing Peyton, manning and he said that they used 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:05.080 to run a lot of quarters Against Peyton manning because 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.200 All Peyton manning wanted to do his throw slants to 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.440 Like Dallas clark And stokely and those guys, right so 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:12.840 they would play too high and they would take away 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:18.520 those slant windows with those those inside. Zones And drake 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:23.040 sees that, rotation and he holds the ball because he 0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:25.200 knows he can't throw the ball into the flat against 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:26.879 the squatting corner because it's going to be a pick. 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.400 Six and he can't throw the slant because there's a 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:32.520 linebacker sitting right in the slant. Window so long when 0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:36.320 it answered to, say like the backside of the concept 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:40.040 was a vertical clear out and Then Pop douglas probably 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:41.920 on an, option had like a little stick or a 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:45.640 little out, route which is a much better concept to 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:49.200 work against that. Coverage SO i looked at it WHEN 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.479 i watched the film and, said is it too much 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:55.400 to ask for him to see that rotation in his 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:59.319 drop and start working the other side of the, field. 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:03.000 And maybe it is Like grant said that it was. 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.640 Right he said that that wasn't the problem on the, 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.160 play And i'll take his word for. It BUT i 0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.920 just knowing WHAT i know About josh mcdaniels's offense and 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:15.560 how pre snap and the reads and like the coverage, 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:18.960 indicator like all that stuff that McDaniels bakes into the, 0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:20.640 OFFENSE i just. 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:25.160 Wonder if, YOU. 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:28.360 I hate to Say, brady but LIKE i just wonder 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:30.720 if like that was supposed to be the situation there 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.920 and he got kind of frozen in time because they 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:35.160 rotated the coverage and he wasn't he didn't get the 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.640 look that he thought he was getting pre. Snap SO 0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.600 i look at that type of, stuff and you, KNOW 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.680 i look at the pass protection obviously that in the 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.000 same way as everybody. Else AND i look at the 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:51.240 practice that we saw today with The vikings better. PRACTICE i, 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:54.520 thought from a reads and mental standpoint From drake may 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.960 than maybe that those fourteen preseason snaps. Were but in, 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:03.720 general LIKE i still have concerns about receiver, separation pass, 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:07.880 protection and overall passing game, execution like could they be 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:08.560 good enough in that? 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:12.560 Area so you broke that down pretty. Well i'll just 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:14.720 say My i'll give you a more niche takeaway from the, 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:18.040 game and like that play whatever it is can't, happen 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.840 whether it's those guys getting, beat whether it's It's Cambellen 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:24.800 wilson getting beat on the. Twist may like even if 0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:27.560 he can't go, backside still taking the sack instead of 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:30.520 trying to throw the ball away right or, right something like. 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:34.880 That my other sneaky big. TAKEAWAY i mean some of 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:36.960 The Trayvon henderson looked, great, right that's one of. Them 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:38.919 Kott williams looked really. Good we kind of talked about. 0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:40.720 That Kiris, TONGA i want to ask you about What 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:44.080 Chairo's tonga did actually In, minnesota because, he you, know 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:47.320 pound for pound compared to what the expectations were coming 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.360 in As Kiros tonga had the best camp of anybody 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:49.520 on The. 0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:51.280 Patriots he's up. 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:55.160 There his ability to to Look he's Not Aaron, donald 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:57.919 but his ability to be a factor on the pass 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:01.160 rush is important because of concerns about their ability to 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:04.640 stop the. Run he's a primary run, player but when 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:08.560 you get into tweet er downs second and, five third and, Two, 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.360 right can he still be out there or not be 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.040 a liability if they throw the. Ball and he's looked 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.840 far from, that far from any potential liability in those 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.280 situations so far in. Camp SO i thought that carried 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.160 over to the. Game i'm actually really excited About. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:24.560 Kyrostanga, yeah, no that's a fair thing to be excited. 0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:27.480 ABOUT i think what's taken me just really by. SURPRISE 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.720 i actually asked him about. IT i think earlier this 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:31.760 week or last. Week all these days are bunning. Together 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.560 his pass rush has just been really, Good like it's 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.440 been much, better much more effective bull. Rusher he's not 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.560 gonna win a lot with like fancy moves and stuff like. 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.280 That he's a comrade at you kind of, guy but you, 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.560 know the bull rush has been much more. Impactful and 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.240 we know on first, down like if you can push 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:52.360 that pocket and you can debt the interior of the 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.680 pocket and not give the quarterback that room to step 0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.440 up into the, pocket like that's. Big that can be really. 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:03.120 Impactful even if he's not technically like you, know glogging 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:05.640 quarterback hits or sacks or whatever the case may. Be 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:08.360 if he's just in the quarterback's lap a lot like 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:11.280 that can be really. Impactful and he talked a little 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.000 bit about sort of his maturation as a pass rusher 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:16.280 and how he's, improved and like he would, said he 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.280 was so focused on he knew he was a big, 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:22.280 dude so he just wanted to go plow straight through 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:25.400 guy right the bull, rush and so he would just 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.040 try to go right at the center of the block 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:30.120 or like right in the middle of his chest and 1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:33.120 just push him. Back and then he's, realized, like, oh 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:36.240 IF i actually get on his edge first AND i 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.760 get kind of outside of him first and then bull 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.920 rush and transition into speed to, power Like i'm he 1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:44.800 can't anchor as well as IF i just go try 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.120 to go right through. Him so it was like one 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:48.840 of those things that he kind of said that he 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:53.320 had like epiphany talking to. SOMEBODY i don't he didn't 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:57.120 necessarily specify, who but he said that he's been like 1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:00.960 picking people's brains about pass rush and like somebody said to, Him, 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:03.840 hey like stop trying to go right through three hundred 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:06.800 and fifteen pound three hundred and twenty pound offensive lineman 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:09.280 and try to get out on the guy's. Edge a 1:01:09.280 --> 1:01:11.440 little bit first and then try to go through him 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:13.320 and all of a, sudden like he comes into camp 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:14.600 and he looks like a pretty good pass. 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:17.240 Rusher so, YEAH i don't know what he said, it 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:18.400 he admitted. It he was, LIKE i don't know what 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:20.920 took so long for me to figure that, out but you, 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:21.400 know You're. 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:23.520 I'm just glad he figured it. Out anything else from 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.720 the game, AGAIN i, know like we usually break the games, down, 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:29.800 Right it was just there's been so much since, THAT 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:31.760 i don't know how much people like and we've both 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:33.360 broken it down. ELSEWHERE i don't know if you have 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:34.520 anything else you wanted to get. 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:38.480 To, no not so, much BUT i like just in 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:41.840 general from you, know coming off these joint, practices BECAUSE 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:44.840 i think the question For saturday is like how much 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:45.840 are the starters going to? 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:47.600 Play, yeah In saturday's. 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:50.320 Game and the difference is is that last week they 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:54.120 only had the one joint, practice so sad the preseason 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:56.840 opener was kind of like a joint, practice you, know 1:01:57.080 --> 1:02:00.760 glorified joint. Practice but at the same, TIME i just 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:03.480 come off the field today and got to, think, like 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:06.600 they don't want to Leave minnesota with this like sort 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.160 of being the taste in the mouth of the, starters, 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:12.520 right was the way that today went because they had 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.920 such a better day yesterday and it was kind, of you, 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:16.400 know one of those things like you said at the 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:18.000 beginning of the, show where it was a tale two. 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.120 Days SO i have to think That rabel's going to 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.640 watch some of this tape from the practice today and, 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:25.919 say we got stuff to work. 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:27.520 On you, know we have a lot to work. 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:30.000 On and next week it's going to be the last 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.640 couple of days The patriots On patriots training camp FOR 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:35.439 us and then The giants preseason game and then that's. 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:37.040 It It's, vegas. 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:40.840 Right SO i do wonder if they sorted to have 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:44.280 the same split as last, week where it's a driver 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.920 to you, know if a first, drive If drake may 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:49.200 marches them right down the field on the opening drive 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.280 of the, game then you pull the starters if it 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:52.920 goes like it did last, week and then you give 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.400 them a second. Series BUT i do think there might 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:58.000 be some value in having some of those guys play 1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:00.800 On saturday after or the way that today. 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:02.480 Went what's the biggest thing you're looking for On? 1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:06.600 SATURDAY i was that's a. 1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:08.280 Good, question BECAUSE i don't know what like the plan 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:11.440 is For minnesota to like with their, starters if anybody's gonna, 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:13.880 play and all that kind of. Stuff BUT i would, 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.800 say like receiver. SEPARATION i was SO i came out 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:23.040 out of yesterday's practice being so optimistic about how open 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:25.760 some of the guys got down the field For Drake, 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.600 may and THEN i just didn't really see that out 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:31.040 there today and that was kind of a. Bummer so 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:34.360 like if they, today you, know yesterday they had guys, 1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:36.640 open and then On saturday they can get guys open 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:39.120 for a couple of. Drives like maybe today was just 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.120 a you, Know minnesota is a good, team, right and 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:44.600 they had a better. Day but that was the biggest 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:47.680 THING i would say THAT i would look, for, is you, 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:50.720 Know Ken drake may find some completions down the field 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:51.800 like he did in practice. 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:56.240 Yesterday, Yeah i'm Gonna i'm just gonna, say however much 1:03:56.280 --> 1:04:00.960 the starters do, play that continuation Of, May wilson And 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:03.160 campbell picking up some of the more complex stuff The 1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:05.920 vikings defense does up. Front, now who knows how much 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.800 you're gonna play If wilson plays at, all you, know 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.280 that's a question as. Well but that's kind of the 1:04:11.280 --> 1:04:12.280 big question for me going in. 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:12.360 Too. 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:14.560 Saturday all, Right i'm sure we'll get to more game 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:16.920 previews with these. Questions we've got a whole bunch of emails, 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:19.120 too but we'll start with. It DID i have to do? 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:20.760 Reads by the, way nobody gave me, READS i have 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:20.880 to do. 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:21.280 Reads. 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:24.480 Probably, yeah if you want to run in the, READS 1:04:24.520 --> 1:04:26.080 i can do the recess we're usually doing when we 1:04:26.120 --> 1:04:28.959 do the. Transition but we'll take one phone call. First 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:34.240 we'll get to. That patty and a go, on get a, Started, Patty, 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:35.320 patty it's, up. 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:37.919 Got. 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:42.880 PATTY i will Put patty on. Hold, patty get back 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:44.840 to your, phone and we'll try you. Again how About 1:04:44.920 --> 1:04:48.040 nate And? Connecticut, Nate, hey. 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:51.840 Guys all you guys Doing hey. Good so my question 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:56.520 for you guys is about Them. Chisholm, obviously he had 1:04:56.560 --> 1:05:02.000 a really good preseason debut last, game and all the, 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:06.680 players Including Josh, Dobbs Mike, rabol they've been pretty they've 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:10.360 been praising him for how well he's. Done do you 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:15.280 think he is a? LOCK i personally think he. Is you, 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:18.640 know just to see his name on the fifty three 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:24.080 cut lists would be a really big. Disappointment He he's 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:27.280 shown some really big flashes and proved. POTENTIAL i just 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:29.800 don't see us cutting. HIM i, REALLY i really think 1:05:29.800 --> 1:05:31.680 we're gonna keep, him AND i really think he's gonna 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:32.440 do well in the. 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:35.919 League thanks, Guys Evan chishom roster. 1:05:36.000 --> 1:05:39.360 Luck i'm not ready to say that. 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:48.680 YET i think That, Diggs, Douglas Holland's, Booty Kyle williams 1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:51.760 are all going to be, here and that that's five 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:54.760 guys THAT i just listed that are all going to be. 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:57.880 Here and until we have a better feel for how 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:01.640 many receivers and like how what their you, know minimums 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:05.720 are at each position Under, rabel it's kind of hard 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:09.040 to say that he's a lock because are they do? 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:12.320 They most teams are probably okay with keeping six if 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:14.760 it's that they're six worth. Keeping but if we're really 1:06:14.800 --> 1:06:18.680 talking about, seven like that's that's an abnormal. Number, yeah 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:22.080 so we have to BE i don't know about, lock 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:24.960 but he's certainly playing his way onto the. 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:27.760 Team he's on pace to be on the. Team LIKE 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:30.320 i think if he has a rough, game rough week next, 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:32.640 week maybe you start talking about practically, again we need 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:36.160 a term for whatever one step below A locke is 1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:40.240 because he's, LIKE i think he's going to be on the, 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.280 team BUT i don't think He's i'm not writing it 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:46.240 in sharpie. Yet LIKE i think ULTIMATELY i think he makes. 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:47.680 Team it's not me saying he's not gonna make a. Team, 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:49.760 ULTIMATELY i think he's going to make the. 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Patriots and we're gonna get a 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:43.479 bunch of comments again That i'm better at the reads 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:43.680 than you. 1:07:43.960 --> 1:07:46.200 See, yeah well, yeah it's because you're a radio. 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:48.240 Guy we'll get to these other. Ones let's grab the. 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:50.439 Phones david New, Hampshire, David. 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:58.440 Hey, guys that's Going hey. Good first of, all it's 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:00.360 been a. While well then listen all the time, though 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:02.960 but you as a you, know AS i said last, 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:04.600 time which was like years, ago though that you, KNOW 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:07.040 i was asked about Khon booty as a part of 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.600 the you Know booty that band. Is that Was i'm. 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:11.440 GLAD i had been happy to see you know him 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:12.920 really perform well so. 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:14.440 Far but my. 1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:17.439 Question For evan would, be you, know there's been a 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:21.120 lot OF i would mixed reporting on the day. Today you, 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:26.640 know some people saying. HORRENDOUS i just was listening to. 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:29.360 You it doesn't really sound like it was necessarily. Horrendous 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:32.679 my take there was from it was that The vikings 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:35.519 are you, know A Super bowl contending team potentially at 1:08:35.520 --> 1:08:38.679 the very, least and if they do it'll be because 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:41.400 they were carried by their defense and their skilled, players 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:45.960 Although Justin jefferson obviously wasn't playing. Today so the fact 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:48.679 that The, patriots who we hope him be a playoff, 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:52.240 team you, know bubble, team didn't you, know beat The 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:55.080 vikings both, days isn't the biggest skill to. Me, always 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:55.439 thank you. 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:55.960 Guys Thanks. 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:58.519 David just to be clear, again we were talking about 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:02.160 the two days as a whole, collectively so that's why 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:04.360 maybe some of it sounded a little more positive than 1:09:04.400 --> 1:09:06.880 the reporting because we only did the show once a, 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:09.600 week so we wanted to kind of combine. Everything But 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:12.760 evan about today, AGAIN i THINK i asked you the 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:14.680 top of the, show but just to be, clear like 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:17.639 your your assessment of today, Specifically. 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:18.839 YEAH i THINK. 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:23.240 I don't want to like get too exaggerated and be, like, 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.920 oh it's you, know it was a, disaster it was 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.200 a train, wreck you, know and use those types of, 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:30.320 words BECAUSE i don't think it was quite. 1:09:30.360 --> 1:09:33.080 That like we we've seen disaster when. 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:36.240 The Philadelphia eagles were At Gilied stadium last, year, right 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:37.680 you wouldn't put it in. 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:39.439 The same conversation as That eagles. 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:42.040 Practice, No AND i was actually talking to somebody about 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:46.200 this after, practice because The eagles practice last year was 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.680 not just the fact that The eagles roster was just 1:09:48.720 --> 1:09:51.360 better across the board than The. Patriots The patriots looked 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:55.640 like a disorganized. Team it was it was non. Competitive, 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:58.519 Yeah like they literally weren't lining up, correctly they were 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:01.120 false starting left and. Right there was million penalties all 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:03.720 over the. Field like they literally could not line, up 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:07.200 snap the ball and get a playoff against The eagles last. 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:08.400 Year that was not. 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:13.920 This this was two teams that are are buttoned up 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:17.000 in well, coached but just one team had the advantage 1:10:17.000 --> 1:10:19.400 over the other. Team so maybe that's, why like my 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:22.280 opinion of it is not quite as like doom and 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:25.479 gloom as some of the other reporting. Is there's no 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:28.040 doubt about it That minnesota won the, day like that's a. 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:31.080 Decision it was a Decisive vikings, Win like there's no 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:34.680 doubt about. That but in order to like really be, 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:37.280 realistically because let's face it, out it's LIKE i think 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:39.880 that we're all really excited About rabel and we're all 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:43.000 really excited about where this team is, headed But rome 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:44.720 wasn't built in a, Day like they're not going to 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:47.880 be able to This vikings team won fourteen games last, 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.280 year and they're they're not going to all of a 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:52.680 sudden flip a switch where they go from being a 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:57.400 four win football team to dominating a fourteen win team 1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:00.240 back to back days and joint. Practices it's it's not, 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:02.840 linear like it's not going to be perfect every single, 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.040 day AND i think that's sort of what we saw to. 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:07.320 Do so to kind of to the caller's, point, right like, 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:10.920 that that's that's sort of WHAT i was. Expecting LIKE 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:13.599 i did not expect to come here To minnesota and 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:16.040 have The patriots win both days of. Practice not THAT 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.840 i love the wind practice, thing but, Whatever like it's 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:19.080 what we. 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:21.320 Do SO i wasn't expecting that. 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:24.400 TODAY i considered between yesterday and, today did they do better? 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.479 Worse the same as your expectations coming. 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:29.080 IN i, said they met my. 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:32.320 EXPECTATIONS i think yesterday was definitely better than WHAT i was. Expecting, 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:36.400 OFFENSIVELY i thought today was sort of WHAT i was 1:11:36.479 --> 1:11:39.680 afraid of was going to happen over the course of 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:42.840 the two, days where it was Like drake may was, 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:45.439 fine but they couldn't pass protect and they couldn't get 1:11:45.439 --> 1:11:48.680 anybody open, right and that was sort of what my expectation, 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:53.080 was and so that was what today. Was but over 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:54.800 the course of the two, DAYS i would say they 1:11:54.880 --> 1:11:58.360 met them because they were able to have a nice Day. 1:11:58.439 --> 1:12:01.280 YESTERDAY i still go back to and it goes back 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:04.680 to the commander's, practice like AND i wasn't, There so 1:12:04.760 --> 1:12:06.560 this is just me going off reading, which by the, 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:09.360 way like not being there and reading everything On twitter 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:12.439 makes me realize how hard it is to cover these 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:14.120 and LIKE i want to do my best, now not 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:15.720 that you guys aren't doing the best you, can but 1:12:15.760 --> 1:12:17.280 LIKE i know how hard it, is and like being 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:18.960 on the other side of, it making sure LIKE i 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:23.320 give as many details When i'm down. There it's EVERYTHING 1:12:23.360 --> 1:12:24.880 i see about. Today as bad as it, was it 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:27.960 doesn't sound Like Drake may was. Bad you, know there 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:31.559 were limited. Opportunities but AND i go back to the commander's. 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:33.559 Practice AND i said this earlier in the, podcast BUT 1:12:34.600 --> 1:12:36.960 i thought the commander's practice as good as it, WAS 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:40.559 i think if you went back on tape and look through, 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:43.920 it there'd probably be more to. Nitpick BUT i Think 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:46.439 drake may elevated the situation at. Times and if the 1:12:46.439 --> 1:12:49.120 blocking wasn't perfect or receivers weren't perfectly. Open he still 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:51.160 found ways to make it. Work and it sounds like 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:54.120 he maybe did some of that today even when it 1:12:54.280 --> 1:12:57.040 wasn't great around, Him and that's the most encouraging thing 1:12:57.080 --> 1:12:58.439 to me because he's gonna need to be able to 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:00.960 do that at. Times like we've talked to, out this 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:05.080 is not the finished. Roster this is Not Mike rabel's. Vision, 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:08.240 ultimately they're on the way to, it, certainly and they 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.400 made significant, strides but it was never going to get 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:13.280 fixed in one. Offseason that was just never. Realistic they've 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:16.200 so far exceeded the roster TURNOVER i was expecting because 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:19.320 in one, year like you were overturned fifty percent of 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:23.160 your roster in one, season that's a. Lot that's an uncharacteristic, 1:13:23.160 --> 1:13:24.760 amount and they might end up over fifty by the 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:26.559 time we get to week one from week eighteen last. 1:13:26.600 --> 1:13:32.200 Year so, like it's encouraging to. Me as rough as today, 1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:34.280 was or it was as rough as it sounds. Like, 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:36.559 yea AND i didn't see it that you, know there's 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:38.960 still that, caveat But drake may you know what he 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:40.720 made of it was good and part of. THAT i 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:43.799 think part of that is his. Confidence confidence it's important 1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:45.840 to have when you're on the road With bridgestone tires 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:48.400 on your, car, truck, suv or. 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Again patty you there this? 1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:24.000 Time i'm here this? 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:24.639 Time all, right. 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:25.759 Guys, Hey. 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:29.720 So just a couple things and Then, ALEX i got a. 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:32.000 GRIEVANCE i gotta air out with, you, Buddy, OKAY i. 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:35.759 Love the first thing IS i was at that fifty 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:38.040 nine to nothing. Game it was. AWESOME i left it 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:42.080 halftime because the forecast predicted, rain SO i Bought parkas 1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:45.200 with my best, buddy and our arms were frozen from 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:49.040 the elbows up by the time halftime rolled. Around the 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:51.519 second thing Is i'll give you my Favorite patriots. Memory, 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:53.400 yeah and it was a GAME i was. At it 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.600 was nineteen ninety, six The Hail Mary jacksonville, game not 1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:59.320 THE afc championship game that, year but The Hail mary 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:02.360 game was that military's first ever game winning field, goal 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:04.640 AND i was. THERE i was sitting in the end 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:06.640 zone where he kicked, it and it was you, know 1:15:06.720 --> 1:15:10.720 it was pretty cool. Experience, So mike grievance with, you 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:14.120 and this is off, topic maybe maybe not too off, 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:17.760 topic but remember talking About Stefan diggs coming off THE 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:21.839 acl and you rattled off a couple of different players 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:25.400 that came off came OFF acls and had great, seasons 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:29.120 and nobody's gonna top ap season one in THE mvp 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:31.519 and rushing for two thousand. Yards BUT i can't BELIEVE 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:33.559 i listened To Phil. Perry i'll listened to you and 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:37.639 a couple other. Guys nobody brought up twenty FOURTEEN bronc 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:40.439 because he Got he tore THE ceo In december at 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:44.120 twenty thirteen and came. Back dicky played fifteen games but 1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:47.840 still threw up like eleven hundred yards and twelve touchdowns 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:51.040 and was a first Team All. Pro and that's. It you, 1:15:51.040 --> 1:15:53.120 know it was a little even You, evan come, on, 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:57.000 man you're you're both of you. Guys you, guys that's 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.640 your that's your. Wheelhouse. Man i'm surprised neither of you 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:03.040 threw that name out. There but that's it a little 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:05.920 light hearted. Grieving but you guys are the. Best i'll 1:16:05.960 --> 1:16:06.599 talk to you next. 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:10.840 Week thanks for the, Call. PATTY i remember that as 1:16:10.840 --> 1:16:13.599 an ankle. INJURY i think was that the off season 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:15.400 that where was that the playoffs where he hurt his? 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:18.679 ANKLE i just. Played it's an ankle In. 1:16:18.880 --> 1:16:22.320 The ankle injury was twenty. Eleven like he had ankle 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:22.800 in The Super. 1:16:22.800 --> 1:16:29.000 Bowl that was one of The pollard. Moments, yeah, YEAH 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:30.600 i don't. KNOW i remember that as an ankle, injury but, 1:16:30.680 --> 1:16:32.360 no that was AN acl and he came back that 1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:36.880 year twenty, fourteen and he caught eighty two, passes eleven hundred, 1:16:36.920 --> 1:16:40.360 yards twelve. Touchdowns it's pretty. Good three touchdowns in the playoffs, 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:43.040 too and he's awesome in That Super bowl, obviously so 1:16:43.479 --> 1:16:45.559 good call. Out that's Spare. Patty let's get some of 1:16:45.600 --> 1:16:50.400 these Emails jeffrey subject line or jeff And canada's subject. 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:53.679 Line concerned for May, oh this is from, yesterday because 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:56.479 that says earlier in the, Show paul Said paul's nine. 1:16:56.520 --> 1:17:00.479 Here So i'm not going to make you answer For. 1:17:00.560 --> 1:17:05.400 Paul this is connor From Saint. Paul why you should 1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:08.040 care ABOUT i think these are all From we. 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:10.519 Can give you some new. Ones CAN i say a? 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:12.960 Practice, yeah go, ahead and THEN i THINK i see 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:13.760 where catch twenty two. 1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:17.400 Starts, Okay so one more thing about today THAT i 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:18.240 think is important to. 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:20.479 Mention we talked about it very very. 1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:24.880 Briefly there's been some like rumblings right about about the 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:28.360 backup quarterback spot In Joshua, dobbs AND i know that 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:32.160 people saw a rough preseason game from, him and then 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:36.599 yesterday was a rough, Practice and, honestly LIKE i feel 1:17:36.600 --> 1:17:39.559 comfortable saying it was a bad practice Because abel just 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:42.200 came out in his press conference and just said it 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:45.439 how it was About Joshua dobbs yesterday with some of 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:50.000 the interceptions that they were he was throwing The today 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:52.040 was significantly better. 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:53.639 Day From Joshua. 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:55.880 Dobbs, like If Drake may had the day That Josh 1:17:55.920 --> 1:17:59.240 dobbs had, today we would be. Flying we would be 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:02.880 flying maybe, right we'd have two days in a, Row Drake, 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:06.840 may you, know really showing well against The vikings, defense we. 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:10.479 Would be really. Thrilled so good bounce back day From Joshua. 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:13.559 Dobbs obviously After chisholm was like a big part of, 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:15.720 that you know in the, Mix Kyle williams in the, 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:19.160 Mix Javon baker in the, Mix Jack westover to end 1:18:19.160 --> 1:18:20.439 practice up the seam in the. 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:23.519 Mix so it was a much much better. 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:27.599 Day kind of put some water on that, concern, right 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:32.080 a backup, quarterback SO i KNOW i should mention to 1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:35.040 No Ben woolridge for two, Days So Ben. 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:37.479 Woolridge so that doesn't sound like that's not a. Competition 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:38.960 No Ben woolridge. 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.679 Is And rabel said this, morning you, Know Josh dobbs 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:44.679 is the backup, quarterback you, know is everything is always 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:47.840 subject to change with My, vrabel there is always that. 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:51.120 Caveat but But Josh dobbs is the backup quarterback and 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:54.960 that seems to, be, uh that seems to be pretty 1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:55.760 pretty set in. 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:59.559 Stone alexander emails In catch twenty two, Questions i'm sure 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:03.280 evanist mourning the loss of Brock lampy since but since 1:19:03.320 --> 1:19:04.760 you guys are a, draft shall storing a name is 1:19:04.760 --> 1:19:07.400 a possible replacement for next? Year Max bretison fallback From. 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:10.519 Michigan Max brettison is very good. Fullback let's see If 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:14.479 Jack westover can do it like he's got the profile for. 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:18.479 It AND i asked him what makes a good? Fallback 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:21.240 first thing he said was. Fearlessness so that's a box 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:24.080 checked because we'll, to you, know throw his body in 1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:26.040 there and getting away met a linebacker in THE a. 1:19:26.160 --> 1:19:29.680 Gap so let's let's give West over. Chance two more 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:32.040 questions he asked for, You, evan have you noticed if 1:19:32.120 --> 1:19:35.200 McDaniel's and the offensive stuff and the offensive staff have 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:39.639 done anything With drake's? Mechanics and is there's a pop? 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:43.120 Up and Is jay Von baker this Year's Taekwon? Thornton 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:45.880 where is what he's showing in practice going to translate. 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:50.920 Two questions With drake's. MECHANICS i haven't seen anything. Different 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:53.600 AND i thought one of the things THAT i liked about. 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:55.600 The last two days From drake may where it was 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:59.640 his poise in like his, feet we're not getting he 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.120 wasn't getting skittish in the, pocket, Right, like he wasn't 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:05.880 having those moments of skittishness in the pocket or happy 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:06.920 feed or anything like. 1:20:06.960 --> 1:20:07.400 That with the. 1:20:07.439 --> 1:20:10.320 PRESSURE i, Thought now he's wear the red, jersey so 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:12.000 you know he's not gonna hit get to get. Hit 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:14.880 but STILL i think that was good to. See and 1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:17.120 his mechanics look pretty much the. Same like the one 1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:20.120 thing with his mechanics THAT i was always, wondering footwork 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:24.040 is not really, mechanics. Right footwork is. Footwork throwing mechanics 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:26.320 is a different. Thing and the one thing THAT i 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:28.479 was kind of wondering With drake may, is you know 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:32.240 what they start to work on tightening his throwing, motion 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:35.919 because the longer that your throwing motion. 1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:37.840 Is and the longer that you bring your arm back than. 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:41.400 Your throwing, motion there's more room for error in terms 1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:44.240 of controlling the football and throwing the ball. 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:45.680 Accurately and SO. 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:49.320 I was wondering if maybe they would try to get 1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:51.599 him to be a little bit quicker and more. Compact 1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:55.800 BUT i haven't necessarily noticed, that and you, know the 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:58.960 staff last year kind of thought that was. Overblown is 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:01.840 a conversation Around drake made during the draft process that 1:21:01.880 --> 1:21:04.880 they didn't really see eye to eye. With so maybe 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:08.559 that's just sort of like a media driven narrative thing 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:09.719 with his throwing. 1:21:09.760 --> 1:21:11.920 Motion Javon, baker the real dealer is His. 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:17.519 Taekwon So Javon baker more noticeable today in an actual, 1:21:17.600 --> 1:21:20.000 team you, know an actual eleven on eleven's working With. 1:21:20.080 --> 1:21:23.040 Dobbs but like to, me the push For Javon baker 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:25.479 has been on special. Teams, yeah like him adding special 1:21:25.520 --> 1:21:28.920 teams into his repertoire is why we're talking about this right. 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:31.439 Now less so the plays that he's making on the 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:34.880 practice field on. Offense so that's different From. Taekwon like 1:21:34.920 --> 1:21:38.320 they Tried taekwon at one hundred and eighty five pounds 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:38.920 soaking wet. 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:40.760 Day they Tried taekwon. 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:43.360 On some special teams things on you, know gunner and 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.280 all that kind of, stuff and it never really stuck 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:49.320 because he just didn't have the playstrain for. It So Javon, 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:52.520 baker you, know as he tries to work on consistency 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:55.479 and rounding out his game as a receiver if he's 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:58.439 going to make the team as a primary special. Teamer 1:21:58.680 --> 1:22:01.600 like that's a different that's a different path to, Me 1:22:01.800 --> 1:22:03.240 like it's a different conversation Than. 1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:06.120 TAEKWON i agree with you on. That so this email 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:10.799 From john Starts Hey Alex hey Bart So Alex barte 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:13.760 is one, Person Evan lazar is the. Other just be. 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:16.599 Clear could you go into detail on How Will campbell 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:18.880 is losing his. REPS i was under the impression his 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:22.240 anchor was his best, Trait but to my, eyes he's 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:24.519 being pushed back pretty handily on a lot of Reps i've. 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:26.400 SEEN i would just, say like getting pushed back and 1:22:26.479 --> 1:22:29.080 anchor a different anchor is when you get pushed, back 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:32.240 can you catch? Yourself and Maybe i'm wrong, There, evan but, 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:34.920 yeah that's HOW i think of, it AND i do 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:37.320 like when he does get pushed, back he's been much 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:38.880 better about. It he wasn't as good at the beginning of. 1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:40.799 Camp he's been much better Than when he does get pushed, 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:44.280 back he catches himself before it gets too. 1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:44.519 Far. 1:22:45.520 --> 1:22:48.360 YEAH i, actually you, know in the game against The, 1:22:48.439 --> 1:22:51.400 COMMANDERS i thought there were one or two reps where 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:54.320 he lost you, know first contact and some guys got 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:57.240 into his chest and were able to get some arm 1:22:57.280 --> 1:22:59.479 extension on, him which is something that with the lank 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:02.360 stuff is you, know something THAT i just watched closely for, 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:06.040 right like how often do guys get into his? CHEST 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:09.120 i don't THINK i see it the same way. Though in, 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:12.400 GENERAL i think the losses that he's had are on his, edges, 1:23:12.600 --> 1:23:15.040 right like either getting blown by on the outside or 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:17.519 those inside moves that we talk so much about With Will. 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:22.000 Campbell today With, GRENARD i thought it was mostly the, 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:26.439 outside you. KNOW i wonder like sometimes And i'd have 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:29.599 to be able to see the, film but like when 1:23:29.600 --> 1:23:31.920 he has somebody in THE b gap next to him 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:35.519 in the three, Tech, yeah it seems to me like 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:40.080 he looks to kind of like help inside maybe or 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:44.479 is worried about like a pressure coming, right like a 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:48.000 blitz that he's gonna have to block down, to and 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:51.320 so like he's a little BIT i do want to say, 1:23:51.360 --> 1:23:55.080 slow but just like he's a little hesitant out of his, 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:58.120 set right because he's like sort of like cheating a 1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:00.720 little bit to the inside to like help to the three. 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:04.040 Tech and then maybe like because if a linebacker comes 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:06.599 down and, blitzes then he's gonna have to bump over 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:09.200 and take the blitzer and take the nearest threat to the, 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:12.960 quarterback and sometimes like when that, happens like he goes 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:15.280 and then set out and like the guy that's rushing 1:24:15.280 --> 1:24:19.040 off his edge has already won the first three steps, 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:20.200 Right like he's already buy. 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:25.600 Him so there's that sort of. 1:24:25.600 --> 1:24:28.600 Thing SO i think that, maybe you, know mental processing 1:24:28.640 --> 1:24:30.800 and stuff like, That but TODAY i would say that 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:33.880 was Grid heard mostly got him on his outside, edge 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:36.880 and it was more Like campbell just was a little 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:40.519 bit slow to the punch on the. Outside and if 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:44.120 you want to be doomsday with, it like if you 1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:46.200 want to bring up the, length you, know that was 1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:49.960 something that people that had concerns About campbell's sticking at 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.479 tackle was that was he going to be able to 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:56.879 reach out to those edge rushers without compromising his, leverage 1:24:57.800 --> 1:24:59.560 and that then we get into the whole thing of 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:02.519 him giving up the inside and all that. Stuff so 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:06.400 there was one pressure yesterday Where gernard beat him inside 1:25:06.439 --> 1:25:08.280 and were able actually brought that up in his press, 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:11.840 conference and then there was a couple today WHERE i 1:25:11.840 --> 1:25:15.280 thought was more to the. Outside the pass protection is 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.240 still work like a work in, progress like it just. 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:19.800 Is it's still work in. 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:24.719 PROGRESS i don't know If i'm not at the point 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.120 yet WHERE i think that this is like A Will 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:30.880 campbell can't play tackle in the, league but it's something 1:25:30.920 --> 1:25:33.160 that is going to have to maybe be. Managed like 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:35.840 we talked about this outs in the, draft like, yeah 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:38.639 chips and like helping him over on that side until 1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:40.479 he sort of figures it out like that that's in, 1:25:40.600 --> 1:25:43.360 Play like if you're gonna expect him AND i Know 1:25:43.479 --> 1:25:46.960 Max crosby typically rushes over the right tackle for the most, 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:48.760 part But Max Crosby week. 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:50.280 One let's say The raiders say we're. 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:52.479 Gonna attack the rookies and we're gonna Put Max crosby 1:25:52.520 --> 1:25:55.839 over the left. Side if you're gonna Expect Will campbell 1:25:56.280 --> 1:26:00.559 at twenty twenty five times in week one to pass 1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:03.360 but Protect Max crosby one on one on an, island 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:05.280 AND i think you're setting him up to. FAIL i 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:09.160 don't think he's he's ready for that quite. Yet so 1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:12.920 they're gonna have to get maybe some creative things about. 1:26:12.960 --> 1:26:14.599 It and in like the one other THING i would 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:17.719 say About Will Will campbell is actually talking TO, uh 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:22.719 to our good FRIEND Uh glenn and there AT Nbc 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:26.559 Sports boston about this and uh or ACTUALLY i think 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:26.800 it Was. 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:28.519 Moose i'm, SORRY i get those two guys. 1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:34.760 CONFUSED i hesitate to say this BECAUSE i don't want 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:37.080 to be taken the wrong, Way but, LIKE i don't 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:38.880 think The patriots are going to be in a position 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:42.479 With Will campbell where they're saying we need to go 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:45.519 draft or trade or acquire a left tackle because he 1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:48.200 can't play the, position like just flat out like he 1:26:48.240 --> 1:26:51.040 can't do it. Right and so next year we're in 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.280 the draft or we're in free agency and like they 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:56.360 have to pay a tackle because they just Have there's 1:26:56.400 --> 1:27:00.759 there's no you, know wiggle room. There that being, said 1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:02.720 if like a year from now or two years from, 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:06.759 now they're in the draft and like A Tristan wharf's 1:27:06.920 --> 1:27:09.360 like falls into their lap right in the draft and 1:27:09.400 --> 1:27:12.560 they're able to draft a left tackle that has prototypical 1:27:12.600 --> 1:27:16.879 traits of a left tackle and that Moves Will campbell 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:19.559 inside or Moves Will campbell to the right, side or 1:27:19.560 --> 1:27:22.000 like whatever the case may. BE i don't think that 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:24.880 that's like the worst possible outcome that could happen from 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:28.080 that draft. Pick And i'm not saying that that has to. 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:31.040 Happen i'm just, saying, like that's the way the scenario 1:27:31.080 --> 1:27:32.599 THAT i, See, LIKE i hear a lot of people 1:27:32.920 --> 1:27:35.400 that just think that he's automatically going to have to move. 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:37.120 INSIDE i don't think that they're going to be so 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:39.160 desperate to move him inside that it's. 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:41.479 AUTOMATIC i don't think that. 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:45.400 If we get to the draft next year and there's 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:47.320 a good chance that the best player on the board 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:50.360 is a left, tackle like clearly the best player on 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:55.160 the board's. Conversation it's a conversation like and as it. 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.439 Should and maybe we have the conversation we decide no 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.240 trade out or no draft this guy or. Whatever but, 1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:02.800 LIKE i get what you're. Saying speaking of the, Draft 1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:06.680 mike In pennsylvania asks how we feel about the linebacker, 1:28:06.720 --> 1:28:08.680 depth that there's any players in the pipeline that look 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:11.960 promising for the. Future SO i started kind of really digging. 1:28:11.960 --> 1:28:14.040 In this week's some some back here And i'm not a. 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:18.120 PRACTICE i got three and aamc you really? TWO i 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:20.160 think a lot of people know Who Harold perkins is 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:22.439 at this. Point he was supposed to be a top ten, 1:28:22.479 --> 1:28:25.320 pick got, hurt kind of had a down year when 1:28:25.360 --> 1:28:29.120 he came. Back he's AT. Lsu his teammate Wit. WEEKS 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:31.120 i don't know if you actually watched WHAT i sent 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:33.839 You evan on Wit, Weeks did you actually watch it 1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:34.439 a little? 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:36.799 Bit that's That's, robert. 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:41.639 That's robert's, Flint, like, no you don't think? 1:28:41.640 --> 1:28:44.920 So? OKAY i THINK i think he looks a little 1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:45.640 bit more athletic Than. 1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:48.640 Robert he's a verable, linebacker like he is a he 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:51.160 is a fit in this. System he's also if you 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:55.720 watch The NETFLIX sec, DOCUMENTARY i think he's got like 1:28:56.479 --> 1:28:59.479 the between the ears part of it set sure and 1:28:59.520 --> 1:29:01.600 then the other like who is a true. JUNIOR i 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:04.240 don't know if he'll come out or. Not Kyle lewis From. 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:07.120 Pitt do you Remember Servasier dennis a couple of years 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:11.519 ago was another pit linebackers on The. Bucks, now, yeah 1:29:11.560 --> 1:29:14.080 the name sounds. Familiar so he's in The Servassier dennis 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:15.599 role in the pit. Defense BUT i think he's. Better 1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:18.720 and he's like six something on the big board right. 1:29:18.720 --> 1:29:19.720 Now that's gonna go way. 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:20.120 Up but. 1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:24.120 Might sneaky be a good linebacker class next? Year so, 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:27.519 uh we've Got i'm gonna go through these a little 1:29:27.560 --> 1:29:28.920 quicker here BECAUSE i want to get to these calls. 1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:33.599 Too nick In boston love listening you. Guys catch twenty 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:35.840 two definitely is the Best patriots. Discussions, however you guys 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.400 are gonna look back on Your Will campbell takes over 1:29:38.439 --> 1:29:40.840 the summer with. Regret it turns out a guy who's 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:44.040 three thirty runs a four nine with no dimensional. Limitations 1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:47.000 an excellent college tape would have been a good. Pick 1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:49.240 Armond membu lock down The Pro bowl Or Kenny clark 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:51.240 won on one in their first preseason game and is 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:54.040 having a great, camp but you guys don't want him 1:29:54.040 --> 1:29:57.080 since he's a right. Tackle where's he? Playing he's playing right? Tackle? Right? 1:29:58.040 --> 1:29:59.679 Uh, Yeah forshan who's playing? 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:03.320 Last AND i don't really Understand Kenny clark's the defensive. 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:05.880 Tackle so, YEAH i think you may have missed something. 1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:07.559 There SO i, MEAN i, mean. 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:10.240 Maybe it was a Dad Jilliams, rashang you, know another 1:30:10.280 --> 1:30:12.760 one of. Theirs He's Kenny clark's a, packer, right, yeah 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:13.920 like my brain. 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:17.679 Is so he mentions, today you, know Beating Will. CAMPBELL 1:30:17.680 --> 1:30:19.519 i don't know that we're going off of one. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:23.519 Practice, YEAH i, mean, LOOK i said my piece About 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:26.559 Will Campbell i'm not trying to hide or like shy 1:30:26.600 --> 1:30:29.320 away from the fact that it hasn't always been great. 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:34.559 NOW I i think it was commendable Of clavon Chase 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:38.120 on to come out and really defend him, yesterday which he. 1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:39.960 Did AND i you, KNOW i know it's a teammate 1:30:40.000 --> 1:30:41.960 and like that might not mean anything to, you But 1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:45.880 Clavon chaison basically, SAID i think you guys are all 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:47.960 being way too, harsh you, Know LIKE i think that 1:30:48.040 --> 1:30:51.000 he's been way better than what WHAT i keep reading 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:53.840 and seeing out. There not that he's like necessarily reading, 1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:58.320 us but they pay, attention they see certain, things and, 1:30:58.439 --> 1:31:01.240 uh AND i think that he he kind of came 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:04.360 To Will campbell's defense And Jonathan GERNARD i think was 1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:07.680 asked about him today after. Practice he spoke with reporters 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:12.879 post practice and he seemed generally. IMPRESSED i, mean obviously 1:31:12.880 --> 1:31:14.519 he's not gonna come out and, say, yeah you, KNOW 1:31:14.560 --> 1:31:17.519 i torch that. Guy he, stinks, right but he seemed 1:31:17.840 --> 1:31:21.759 pretty impressed With campbell as. Well there's no doubt about 1:31:21.760 --> 1:31:26.880 it that the pass protection stuff is something that we 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:29.960 have to continue to watch With Will, campbell and it 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:34.679 remains a question mark with. HIM i JUST i don't 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:36.840 have the practice, film SO i can't really break it, 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:39.880 down and there wasn't enough reps in the preseason game 1:31:39.920 --> 1:31:43.559 to really think about, it you, know really be able 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:46.799 to examine. IT i think he's one of those guys 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:50.400 that needs to win with his feet in his, hands 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:53.360 like that has to be the strength of his. Game are, 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:57.760 quick you, know sudden punches with his. Hands you know 1:31:57.840 --> 1:32:00.240 that aren't down the middle of the, rusher but you, 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:03.519 know more towards the peck outside peck with the left 1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:06.519 hand and firm punch and slide your feet right like 1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:08.880 that sort of got to Be Will. Campbell AND i 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:12.120 think the concern with, it what we've seen is that 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:15.599 that can be very hit or, miss because if you'd 1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:18.600 missed the punch and you're being aggressive like that and 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:20.840 you missed the, punch then you're gonna have those, blowbys 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:23.200 which is what you don't want to. See so for, 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:25.360 him it's just going to be this balancing act of 1:32:25.439 --> 1:32:30.479 figuring out how to be consistent within that. Framework AND 1:32:30.560 --> 1:32:33.599 i think that that's been a challenge so far as 1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:34.560 it is for probably a lot of. 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:36.840 Rookies yeah and, again And nick, says keep up the great. Work, 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:38.840 thanks we do appreciate. Listening don't mean to pick on 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:41.320 you like, this but just to be, clear the take 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:44.040 at the time WAS i had my, concerns just LIKE 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:46.400 i had my concerns About Will, campbell AND i had said, 1:32:46.400 --> 1:32:49.200 this pick your, poison the guy who maybe doesn't have 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:51.360 the ideal physical, building the guy who's never played the position. 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:54.080 Before Arm On membu's at right tackle with The. Jets 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:56.599 if The patriots had needed a right, TACKLE i would 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:59.240 have been fine with Arm On. Membo but we've seen 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:01.160 this team try to move tackles from right to left 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:03.080 the last few years and hasn't gone. WELL i was 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:05.320 kittish about. That i'm fine with that Armand member being 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:09.400 a great right tackle doesn't prove us. Wrong if he 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:11.200 ends up getting moved to left and is, great, yeah 1:33:11.240 --> 1:33:13.479 then we have to eat some. Grow BUT i never 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:15.960 had any Doubts Armon member could play right, tackle although 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:18.080 some people pointed out in the chatty hasn't been great 1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:21.840 against the. Run BUT i never had Anything Armond member 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:25.840 could play right. Tackle that wasn't the. CONVERSATION Uh anthony 1:33:26.120 --> 1:33:28.280 asked why Not Carlton davis at the tight end? Position 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:31.680 we talked about. THAT a couple of people sending in 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:34.479 their Favorite patriots. Moments Wes welker ninety nine yards Against 1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:38.320 miami On Monday night. Football that's a good. One oh 1:33:38.360 --> 1:33:44.479 Seven patriots beat The. Ravens great, game subject line catch twenty. Two, 1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:47.559 yeah people are sending in now. Moments Uh gronk Removing 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:51.000 Sergio brown from the. Club that's a good. One, Ye 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:53.800 josh And turner. Falls you guys are the best out 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:55.880 there right. Now real. Stuff, Appreciate oh you, do thank. 1:33:55.920 --> 1:33:57.240 You this is gonna be another guy that's, LIKE i 1:33:57.280 --> 1:33:59.760 love the show and then comes at. Us SO i have, 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:02.960 to ye ununfortionunately kind of go after p, one which Again, 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:04.880 NICK i never like to. DO i. APOLOGIZE i just 1:34:04.880 --> 1:34:05.559 want to clarify. 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:05.680 That. 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:08.320 No josh has a question if The pats only keep 1:34:08.360 --> 1:34:10.560 three running backs and two tight ends as seven receivers of. 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:13.200 POSSIBILITY a lot Of pats beat guys are saying. SEVEN 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:15.960 i honestly hope they do keep. Seven If Chisman baker 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:18.200 proved they're worth. Keeping we kind of talked about, this 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:20.599 so just real, QUICK i think they can keep three 1:34:20.640 --> 1:34:23.760 tight ends and still keep seven. Receivers if if the 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:27.240 third is West over and he's also your. FULLBACK i 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:29.240 think he can be three running, backs three tight, ends seven. 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:30.240 RECEIVERS i think that's in. 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:32.240 Play, YEAH i think that makes. 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:35.040 SENSE i mean three running backs now With larison out 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:37.240 of the, mix makes it makes the most sense to. 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:39.080 ME i don't know if any of these on the 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:43.400 other running, backs ALTHOUGH i Will Shane, watts Like, loki 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:44.400 had had a day. 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.600 YESTERDAY i heard he got blown up today, though. 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:50.559 Yeah today today it was the other. Way but it 1:34:50.600 --> 1:34:52.880 wasn't really. Him it was more of the blocking in 1:34:52.920 --> 1:34:55.519 front of. Him but there was one player in particular 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:58.160 that it was just a bad rep and like three 1:34:58.280 --> 1:35:01.760 vikings just came in on he, did you, know unblocked 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:05.120 on Poor Shane watts and just put, him you, know 1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:05.519 into the. 1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:08.960 Ground but YESTERDAY i thought that he had showed some juice. 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:10.240 And like a little bit of, wiggle like almost a 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:12.960 little bit Of Land, larrison LIKE i can see like 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:13.840 sort of similar. 1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:16.680 Players it's funny because they go From Land larrison was 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:19.920 THE fcs leader in all purpose, yards, right, yeah and 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:24.040 so they lose, him all, right who's THE d two 1:35:24.120 --> 1:35:26.160 leader in all purpose? Yards And watch was like. THIRD 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:32.320 i think but they did, similar very similar college. Profile riley, Asks, hey, 1:35:32.320 --> 1:35:34.719 fellas do you think it's possible to See Baker baker 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.760 Overtake hollins's spot in the wide receiver room. Order he's 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:40.720 strung some nice days weeks, together but of course we 1:35:40.760 --> 1:35:43.200 have to see what the. ONES i think the two things. 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:46.400 Won there's other players in the way. THERE i Think 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:49.600 booty And Kyle williams are in that conversation as. Well and, 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:53.360 again as you said, Earlier Evan Javon baker's pushed to the, 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:56.000 roster it's not really about what he's doing a wide, 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:58.960 Receiver like his potential to develop as a wide receiver's 1:35:59.000 --> 1:36:01.360 part of, it, Right but he's making the team as a. 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:05.160 Gunner like if he wasn't doing what he's doing on special, 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:08.719 teams you, know maybe we're talking about him for the practice. 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:12.800 SQUAD i don't think we are like really disgusting him 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:15.320 as this truly rosterble player if he wasn't making the 1:36:15.320 --> 1:36:16.240 special teams plays he. 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:23.160 Is, YEAH i, understand AND i understand the take on, 1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:28.559 Maccollins like what is mccollins is a journeyman receiver that 1:36:29.200 --> 1:36:32.200 has really at his best is like a six hundred 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:35.360 yard you know type of, guy and SO i get 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:37.760 wanting to give reps to younger guys with the higher. 1:36:37.840 --> 1:36:41.680 Upside LIKE i totally understand the take from a lot of. 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:45.080 People that being, said all we can, Do alex is 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:48.240 tell people what is happening at these practices and who 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:51.440 are getting the reps with the meetingful, reps uh with 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:53.960 with the ones and all that good. Stuff and like 1:36:54.040 --> 1:36:57.559 they Mac collins is not McColl's gonna, Play like mc 1:36:57.560 --> 1:37:00.280 collins is gonna have a, role mcallis is gonna. Play 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:02.960 Mac collins is gonna be involved in this. OFFENSE i 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:07.360 actually think that he's had some, moments especially in these joint, 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:11.520 practices where he's looked like one of their more consistent 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:13.240 threats as a. 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:16.679 Receiver, TODAY i thought he caught. 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:20.840 A, little you, know whole shot From Joshua dobbs or 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:23.240 ref said it was out of, bounds but all of 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:25.920 us kind of thought it was, inbounds but you, know 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:28.840 we're not, ref so what do we? Know and you, 1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:31.240 know then yesterday he got behind the defense on that 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:32.720 busted coverage and had that long. 1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:34.599 Touchdown Like Matt. 1:37:34.479 --> 1:37:37.880 Collins has actually made some plays over the last couple of, 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:40.200 days and he made a lot of plays against The 1:37:40.240 --> 1:37:42.639 commanders two in that joint practice last. 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:43.760 Week SO i don't THINK. 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:45.840 Matc collins is going, anywhere AND i think Mac collins 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:48.280 is gonna have a role on this football. Team so 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:52.800 is there a world where we get to Like, Halloween 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:55.439 thanksgiving And Kyle williams is all of a sudden like 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:57.880 the TOP x. Receiver, yeah LIKE i think that's in. 1:37:57.960 --> 1:38:00.439 Play but other than, that, like other Than Kyle, williams 1:38:00.720 --> 1:38:04.200 behind the, scenes continuing to grow and continue continuing to, 1:38:04.240 --> 1:38:08.040 stack you, know positive practices behind the, SCENES i Think 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:09.320 Matt collins is going to play a. 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:14.640 Lot so then we have From chris, Mentions, well the 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:17.479 subject line IS i just read a score AND i 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:19.479 thought it was going to be his favorite regular season. 1:38:19.479 --> 1:38:23.679 Moment but he says twenty twenty FIVE Afc Wild card, 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:27.280 Game pat's thirty Four steelers. Ten and he, says we're 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:31.640 going to surprise some people this. YEAR i, mean they 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:33.360 beat The steelers thirty four to ten in the wild card. 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:35.519 Round they probably had a pretty good season regardless of 1:38:35.600 --> 1:38:38.880 what happens after that twenty four point winning the. Playoffs 1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:41.760 so you just sign me up for THAT i had 1:38:41.760 --> 1:38:45.559 no problem with. That he also. Asks he, says it's 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:48.240 exciting that there's so much more competition for roster spots this. 1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:50.040 Year all, right list of? Players do they make the 1:38:50.080 --> 1:38:50.400 team or? 1:38:50.400 --> 1:38:50.479 Not? 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:57.160 Ready, Yep i'm. Ready Kendrick, BOURNE i are. INTERESTING i 1:38:57.200 --> 1:38:58.960 don't you. Know this kills me because you know HOW 1:38:59.000 --> 1:39:02.200 i feel About Kendrick. Porne now he doesn't look like 1:39:02.240 --> 1:39:03.840 he's making the tea and he's. HURT i get, that 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:06.000 but like you can't make the club from the. Top 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:09.760 guys are passing. Him Kendrick, bourne to, me is one 1:39:09.800 --> 1:39:14.439 of the greater wasted potentials of the Modern patriots. Era 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:19.639 YOU i mean he had that great year in twenty. 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:22.840 One i'm, SORRY i don't. Mean it's not About Kendrick. 1:39:22.880 --> 1:39:25.600 BOURNE i just LOVE i love the commitment to the. 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:26.320 TAKE i love. 1:39:26.360 --> 1:39:28.880 IT i mean will we will never? Know this is my. 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:31.679 Point he had a great year twenty. One he gets 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:33.920 thrown in the doghouse and The Matt patricia year over 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:35.959 stuff he probably should have gotten thrown in the doghouse, 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:39.280 for and that whole year was a. Mess comes back 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:43.479 in twenty, three starts making. Plays he was good before 1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:46.799 he got. Hurt remember, that like every time they targeted, 1:39:46.840 --> 1:39:48.320 him it was a big. Game he was. Good twenty 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:53.439 Three bill, O'Brien Bill, obrien twenty, three gets, hurt comes 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:56.600 back last, year he's coming off the torn acl so 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:58.760 he has that recovery. Year and, Look i'll admit he's, 1:39:58.800 --> 1:40:01.599 thirty he's had a knee. Injury it's been it's been 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:05.000 four years since that twenty twenty one. Season if they 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:09.880 don't just for whatever reason you have a grudge against 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:12.880 him in twenty two and he's actually a part of 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:15.360 that team now you still have all the stuff With 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:16.960 Mac jones and. Everything i'm not saying it would have 1:40:17.000 --> 1:40:20.360 been an eighteen hundred yard. Receiver he could have had 1:40:20.360 --> 1:40:23.519 a solid career. Here he AND i think he still 1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:26.439 has like the most catches in the most receiving yards 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:29.840 of any wide receiver Post, Brady like he's been their 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:31.760 best receiver Post, brady WHICH i know it's not a high, 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:35.800 barticlear BUT i remember doing like when we did The 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:38.679 All Sports up. TEAM i think he's fifth since two 1:40:38.680 --> 1:40:40.760 thousand and nine on the team in receiving yards or 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:43.720 catches or something like, that which again maybe is more 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:47.160 about the players they've had than. Him he could have 1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:50.080 had a good career Here and CAN i. 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:52.120 Say one thing About Kendrick? Borne will take go. 1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:53.360 Ahead so. 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:56.920 My take On Kendrick bourne is that we both feel 1:40:56.920 --> 1:40:58.439 the same way About Kendrick. Porn maybe he was a 1:40:58.439 --> 1:40:59.360 little stronger than, me. 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:01.680 BUT, I i, mean you want to talk about real 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:03.200 estate on the, ISLAND i have a little more than 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:03.679 you And Kendrick. 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:07.280 Bourneland, Yeah Kendrick bourne is AN nfl, receiver right like, 1:41:07.280 --> 1:41:09.639 THAT i feel comfortable saying that he's AN nfl wide. 1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:12.280 Receiver he's a professional, player you, know as a pro. 1:41:12.520 --> 1:41:17.559 Receiver so MY ir take is just, LIKE i don't 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:20.920 know if there there's playing time for him right now 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:25.360 Because diggs Pop holland's booty and then you're gonna want 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:27.920 to try to Get Kyle williams feet way a little bit, 1:41:28.000 --> 1:41:31.040 Too so there's probably not playing time for him right. 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:36.080 Now but if you place him ON ir designated to 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:40.439 return on cutdown day and you, know knock on, wood 1:41:40.520 --> 1:41:43.400 but Like god, forbid there's a rash of injuries at wide, 1:41:43.400 --> 1:41:48.479 receiver then you have a guy on injured reserve that's 1:41:48.520 --> 1:41:50.920 AN nfl receiver that can play on. 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:54.559 Something so you didn't clarify injured reserve designated to. Return, 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:58.519 yeah LIKE i more, sense that makes a lot more. 1:41:58.560 --> 1:42:00.920 Sense like you can't eat just be like a stash 1:42:01.000 --> 1:42:04.479 player right, now right like, that, YASH i thought you 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:06.120 meant like injur reserve him now in this. 1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:07.960 Season, No, NO i. 1:42:07.960 --> 1:42:10.400 Mean, like let's, try you, know try to stash him on. 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:12.519 INJURINES i don't hate, That, YEAH i. 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:14.320 Don't, so by the, way, look so the reason THAT 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:16.200 i used two thousand and nine is as the cutoff 1:42:16.240 --> 1:42:18.080 as me And Matt dollff. Did it was supposed to 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:20.160 be last year for the fifteenth, anniversary and then too 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:22.360 much went, on so instead we did it for the sixteenth, 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:25.519 anniversary which actually was, yesterday was the sixteenth anniversary of 1:42:25.520 --> 1:42:27.280 the Sports i'm going on the. Air we did The 1:42:27.320 --> 1:42:30.120 patriots All sports up two thousand and nine and. On 1:42:30.439 --> 1:42:32.040 so keep in mind this is since two thousand and, 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:34.000 Nine Kendrick bourne's only been here for four of these, 1:42:34.080 --> 1:42:36.960 years and he's basically only played two and a half 1:42:37.520 --> 1:42:39.560 between being in the doghouse in twenty two in THE. 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:43.200 Acl so since two thousand and, nine receptions among wide 1:42:43.200 --> 1:42:46.120 receivers isn't. Tight ends wide receivers for The Patriots Julian, 1:42:46.200 --> 1:42:50.519 Edelman Wes, Welker Jacoby, Myers Danny Amandola Kendrick bourne five 1:42:51.360 --> 1:42:55.639 receiving Yards Julian, Edelman Wes, Welker Jacoby, Myers Danny Amandola 1:42:56.080 --> 1:42:59.040 Kendrick bourne. FIVE i think he's a little lower in. 1:42:59.120 --> 1:43:03.360 Touchdowns he's some Touchdowns Chris hogan And Randy moss jump in, 1:43:03.400 --> 1:43:05.280 touchdowns even Though moss played like no games in this, 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:10.839 window Because moss is just, Awesome but like he sneaky 1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:14.080 had a better career here than people. Think AND i 1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:16.120 think it could have been better if they had managed 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:17.680 him right and they. Didn't but that's that's a Whole 1:43:17.720 --> 1:43:19.720 Kendrick borne take from something that was supposed to be 1:43:19.800 --> 1:43:22.400 kind of rapid fire. Exercise so, yeah let's go, Back Kevin, 1:43:22.479 --> 1:43:24.640 BOARD i Are Cole strange. 1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:27.479 Off the. 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:31.320 Team Ben brown being the starting left guard today does 1:43:31.360 --> 1:43:33.640 not bode well For Cole. Strange i'm with. You, now 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:37.120 maybe maybe you, know former first round. Pick they try 1:43:37.120 --> 1:43:40.639 to find a trade, partner BUT i don't think he makes. 1:43:40.640 --> 1:43:43.080 Team Kyle dugger on. 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:45.559 The, TEAM i think it's the, contract and you, know 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:47.800 you at least try to play it out and see 1:43:47.800 --> 1:43:49.320 if it's you, know they can get him back on the. 1:43:49.360 --> 1:43:52.519 Track so part of The Kyle dugger conversation is if 1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:54.599 you move on from who is the backup strong? Safety, 1:43:55.360 --> 1:43:58.200 right and they can keep an expensive back up If 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:00.280 dougger is going to be better than whoever the option, 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:02.200 Is i'd rather Keep dougger for the year even if 1:44:02.200 --> 1:44:04.439 it isn't unless it's going to be a major problem 1:44:04.479 --> 1:44:06.000 in the locker. Room and there's that, thing, Right but 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:09.360 who would you rather have backing it? Back and, Again Jabrill, 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:12.040 peppers WHO i like does have some injury. History who 1:44:12.040 --> 1:44:14.559 would you rather have backing Up Dabrill, Peppers Kyle duggar Del. 1:44:14.600 --> 1:44:18.240 Pettis so the question. 1:44:18.080 --> 1:44:20.680 There, though is if you're backing up at safety AND 1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:22.120 i know this is supposed to be wrapping, up and 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:24.559 we stink at that if you're, back if you're backing up, 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:27.200 safety like you also are gonna have to play special. 1:44:27.240 --> 1:44:28.559 Team Can Kyle dugger play special? 1:44:28.600 --> 1:44:29.880 Teams honestly you. 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:33.280 Can't but like If Kyle dugger's issues are like, physical 1:44:33.400 --> 1:44:34.840 like he's like lost. 1:44:34.840 --> 1:44:38.599 His, step you, know like del pettis just on special. 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:41.040 Teams i'm not Saying delpez a better football player Than Kyle, 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:44.920 duggar but is there there might be a world where 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:46.080 he's a better special teamer Than. 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:48.639 Kyle All, RIGHT i still Think tugger's on the. TEAM 1:44:48.760 --> 1:44:51.360 i Think tuger's on the. Team vaderian low. 1:44:52.280 --> 1:44:54.439 This is an interesting, one probably SOMETHING i could have 1:44:54.439 --> 1:44:57.840 brought up. Earlier, again we're not gonna rap it. This 1:44:57.840 --> 1:44:58.479 this is SOMETHING i can. 1:44:58.560 --> 1:45:00.800 Unpack we got two more calls and there's fifteen minutes. 1:45:00.840 --> 1:45:02.040 LEFT i think we can get this all. 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:05.840 In So Vaderian lowe And Marcus bryant were going back 1:45:05.880 --> 1:45:08.840 and forth left, right left right over the last couple 1:45:08.880 --> 1:45:12.680 of days with the second string. Offense So Trade jacobs 1:45:12.960 --> 1:45:14.320 was not getting as many. 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:16.840 Reps AND i don't think that's a. GUY i don't 1:45:16.840 --> 1:45:17.320 think it's on the. 1:45:17.320 --> 1:45:23.400 Team so we know That Vadarian Low we've done The 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:26.880 Vaderian low swing tackle. Thing Vadarian low's a left, tackle 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:30.200 AND i understand that a lot of people Say Vadarian 1:45:30.240 --> 1:45:31.559 low's left, tackle he's not a very good. 1:45:31.600 --> 1:45:33.840 One, okay, whatever take that piece of it out of. 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:38.320 It, Right, like we know That Vaderian low is much 1:45:38.360 --> 1:45:40.840 better on the left side than the, Right like the 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:43.360 pressure rate on the right side when he played the right, 1:45:43.400 --> 1:45:45.840 side AND i think it was twenty three is like 1:45:46.000 --> 1:45:48.200 double the pressure rate he allows in the left. 1:45:48.200 --> 1:45:49.280 Side SO. 1:45:51.560 --> 1:45:54.000 I guess my point is is, like If Marcus bryant 1:45:54.040 --> 1:45:57.560 is good enough to be the top swing, tackle. 1:45:59.040 --> 1:46:02.120 Then Darien lowe on the team. 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:06.920 As like like the backup will left, Tackle LIKE i, guess. 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:09.559 Right, right and Then Marcus bryant can just play right 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:11.680 would probably be. 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:15.040 Right the question is is, LIKE i guess you know 1:46:15.600 --> 1:46:17.640 you're looking At Will campbell and left, tackle like and 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:20.200 if you don't feel great About Marcus bryan a rookie 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:23.040 Replacing Will campbell Will campbell gets, hurt then maybe you 1:46:23.080 --> 1:46:26.000 think That vederian low has a purpose on the roster 1:46:26.280 --> 1:46:29.400 as a pure backup left tackle And Marcus bryant is 1:46:29.479 --> 1:46:32.559 more of a right tackle. BACKUP i GUESS i could 1:46:32.560 --> 1:46:35.360 see them doing that and keeping four and just having 1:46:35.360 --> 1:46:37.400 a backup left in a backup right right and not 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:41.400 a true swing. Tackle SO i don't. KNOW i don't 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:43.479 know if we've seen enough About Vaderian low because he's been, 1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:46.840 hurt like it's hard to say maybe he's gotten any 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:49.559 better or anything like. That BUT i would Say vaderian 1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:52.400 low long way To grandma's. House, THERE i would Say 1:46:52.439 --> 1:46:53.240 Vanderon lowe on the. 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:56.840 Team maybe he makes the initial fifty. Three that's a 1:46:56.880 --> 1:46:59.400 spot WHERE i wonder if maybe they go on waivers 1:46:59.560 --> 1:47:02.439 and try to find. Somebody so maybe he's on initial 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:04.320 fifty three and then they get a waiver claim and 1:47:04.360 --> 1:47:07.280 he's the one that's. Off BUT i STILL i still 1:47:07.280 --> 1:47:11.559 THINK i HAD tbd tackle on my roster. Projection I'm 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:12.280 I'm i'm sticking with. 1:47:12.320 --> 1:47:12.400 That. 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:15.960 Uh and Then Jelinnie, tobai that's so you, hey some 1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:17.400 TIME i did. THAT i nailed, it by the, way 1:47:17.560 --> 1:47:25.160 so deal with. It, jilanievai same plan As Kendrick, bourne all, 1:47:25.240 --> 1:47:30.080 right but if he's, HEALTHY i think he's on. 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.840 The team if he's, healthy and there's no ir path for. 1:47:32.960 --> 1:47:38.479 Him but WHEN i look at their, defense even like 1:47:39.040 --> 1:47:43.720 more so Than, Duggar Avony jennings And Jelani tava are 1:47:43.720 --> 1:47:46.840 the two guys THAT i just it's just a they 1:47:46.880 --> 1:47:49.200 look like they don't belong in terms of the scheme. 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:50.560 Fit they just like. 1:47:50.800 --> 1:47:53.360 Own so the difference to me is before he got, 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:56.519 hurt TO i was getting run in practice like he 1:47:56.600 --> 1:47:58.720 was out there With, SPLAINE i think he's. NOT i 1:47:58.720 --> 1:48:00.840 think they do have a role in My it might 1:48:00.880 --> 1:48:04.160 not be a significant, role or it might include special, 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:05.160 teams but LIKE i think he's on the. 1:48:05.200 --> 1:48:08.120 Team, YEAH i can see. THAT i JUST i guess 1:48:08.160 --> 1:48:08.759 with tav. 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:12.639 He played that they used to call, IT i think 1:48:12.680 --> 1:48:14.760 the fixer or something like. That like he played a 1:48:14.880 --> 1:48:18.800 very specific role in The belichick, defense not last year 1:48:18.840 --> 1:48:21.120 because Of bentley's, injury but two years ago when he was. 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:24.599 Good he plays such a specific role in the, defense 1:48:25.320 --> 1:48:27.040 and that was a role that he was good at 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:29.400 when used. Correctly AND i just don't know if that 1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:32.680 role exists. ANYMORE i think what they want to do 1:48:32.800 --> 1:48:34.880 is like how Does splaine be like a true mic 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:37.200 and then have like a will that flies, around you, 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:40.000 know playing off the. Splane AND i just don't know 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:43.439 if that's To. Vie Maybe devi's the Backup, mike but 1:48:43.560 --> 1:48:46.160 we saw now that went last. Year LIKE i feel 1:48:46.200 --> 1:48:50.400 Like Jack gibbons is probably a better backup disployne. 1:48:51.560 --> 1:48:53.160 Real quick that those are the players in the email 1:48:53.160 --> 1:48:55.360 also MENTIONED i think The brady statue is. AWESOME i 1:48:55.360 --> 1:48:57.040 think they did a great. JOB i very much enjoyed. 1:48:57.080 --> 1:48:59.840 IT i will, say if you are planning on go seeing, 1:48:59.840 --> 1:49:01.760 it try to go see it at. Night it's even 1:49:01.760 --> 1:49:03.920 cooler at. Night that was my one big. Takeaway and 1:49:04.040 --> 1:49:06.680 it's not too. Small it's wearing shoulder. Pads that's why 1:49:06.680 --> 1:49:08.559 it looks like. That look at his head and look 1:49:08.600 --> 1:49:11.320 at his bicep like it's it's the shoulder pads make 1:49:12.120 --> 1:49:15.160 at first, glance the shoulder pads make it look, small 1:49:16.240 --> 1:49:18.800 but like he's wearing shoulder. Pads it's a football. Uniform 1:49:18.840 --> 1:49:19.439 that's why it looks like. 1:49:19.479 --> 1:49:22.600 That so really quickly on The brady, statue because you 1:49:22.640 --> 1:49:27.760 AND i were there for the statue unveiling AND i got. 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:29.800 It we BOTH i don't want to speak for, you 1:49:29.840 --> 1:49:31.719 but like we both came away with that like feeling 1:49:31.760 --> 1:49:33.080 like we went through like a religious. 1:49:33.120 --> 1:49:35.080 EXPERIENCE i didn't think it was going to be Like 1:49:35.160 --> 1:49:38.680 Dwayne way level, bad BUT i it vastly exceeded my. 1:49:38.720 --> 1:49:41.320 Expectations AND i think that part of it, was you, 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:42.599 know the ceremony was really. 1:49:42.600 --> 1:49:43.400 Cool ceremony was. 1:49:43.479 --> 1:49:46.400 Great there was tons of people there in terms of, 1:49:46.400 --> 1:49:48.320 fans but there was also a lot of really cool 1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:51.680 alumni that were there as, Well so that was a 1:49:51.720 --> 1:49:54.680 big piece of. IT i don't want to hear like 1:49:54.880 --> 1:49:58.160 any and this is not team employee speaking like this 1:49:58.200 --> 1:50:00.160 is truly from the, heart LIKE i don't want to 1:50:00.160 --> 1:50:01.559 hear any criticism of that. 1:50:01.640 --> 1:50:04.559 Statue that statue is. Sick like go. 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:07.920 See it in person and go look at he is 1:50:08.000 --> 1:50:13.000 seventeen feet. Tall and the detail that's on the, statue 1:50:13.960 --> 1:50:18.240 like the from the cleats in the knee brace and 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:20.240 the quarterback. 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:21.559 Playbook you know arm. 1:50:21.479 --> 1:50:25.920 Pady, black you know the, EyeBlack the helmet. 1:50:25.720 --> 1:50:27.720 That you have to get up close to see, This 1:50:27.960 --> 1:50:31.519 like some people mentioned that this is something THAT i 1:50:31.600 --> 1:50:33.000 like to do with the. Statue some people mention you 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:34.920 can't really see the jersey numbers because of the way 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:37.679 they carved. It when you go in, person you can see. 1:50:37.720 --> 1:50:41.719 It it's very. Clear it maybe doesn't. Photograph it doesn't 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:44.640 come across as detailed in, photographs BUT i think they 1:50:44.960 --> 1:50:47.000 didn't make it to be. Photographed they made it to 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:50.519 be seen in. PERSON i would rather more effort be 1:50:50.600 --> 1:50:52.559 put into what does this look like when you're standing 1:50:52.600 --> 1:50:54.479 in front of, it compared to what is it going 1:50:54.520 --> 1:50:56.479 to look like in. Pictures the. 1:50:57.600 --> 1:51:00.880 POSE i had concerns about the pose because it's not 1:51:00.920 --> 1:51:06.719 an Iconic brady, pose but he's so it's so, Huge, 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:09.920 yeah and he's so tall that the fist in the, 1:51:09.960 --> 1:51:13.760 air it's it's a very powerful. Pose and what it 1:51:13.840 --> 1:51:17.120 does is like he was a larger than life figure 1:51:17.920 --> 1:51:22.639 IN nfl sports, history and the pose and the height 1:51:22.680 --> 1:51:25.480 in the in the just sheer size of the statue 1:51:25.800 --> 1:51:27.160 and makes it larger than. 1:51:27.200 --> 1:51:30.120 Life and That's Tom brady like he. Was he is 1:51:30.200 --> 1:51:30.640 larger than. 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:33.559 Life all, Right let's let's go to these calls real 1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:36.519 quick before we wrap it. Up maniche In New York, 1:51:36.560 --> 1:51:43.800 city what's going? On niche? THERE i left him on 1:51:43.840 --> 1:51:45.840 hold for a. While put him on, Hold try to 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:46.920 get him back if you, can get back to your. 1:51:46.960 --> 1:51:48.479 Phone get back to your. Phone we'll take after. This 1:51:48.520 --> 1:51:51.160 when we got to go TO i Know eldridge is, there, Right. 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:58.920 Eldred we all do nothing From? Eldred all, right say 1:51:59.439 --> 1:52:02.120 we'll TRY i get on in a. Second what are 1:52:02.160 --> 1:52:03.960 you Looking we already kind of did. It we did 1:52:04.000 --> 1:52:05.160 it for the. Offense we didn't do it for the. 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:06.840 Defense what are you looking for from the? Defense saturday In? 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:09.000 Minnesota, yeah you. 1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:11.360 Know a lot of things that they harped on, defensively 1:52:11.400 --> 1:52:12.160 up coming off that. 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:13.559 Game ray bol did was. 1:52:13.600 --> 1:52:16.680 Tackling you, know he mentioned tackling like multiple times when 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:19.280 he was talking about the, defense and they don't tackle 1:52:19.400 --> 1:52:22.400 to the ground in, practice so it stands to reason 1:52:22.439 --> 1:52:25.439 that they're gonna be a little bit sloppy tackling for 1:52:25.479 --> 1:52:28.840 the first time in a preseason. Game so that's another 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:30.879 reason WHY i think that maybe some of the defensive 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:33.840 starters will, play is because they're not gonna live tackle 1:52:33.920 --> 1:52:35.760 to the ground in, camp so like they're gonna have 1:52:35.840 --> 1:52:39.320 To they're gonna have to get some tackling, reps you, 1:52:39.320 --> 1:52:42.160 know live tackling under their, belt and the only way 1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:43.600 to really do that is to have them play in 1:52:43.640 --> 1:52:46.400 the game if they're not gonna tackle in. Practice so 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:49.639 that's WHY i wonder if some of those guys are gonna. 1:52:49.640 --> 1:52:52.400 Play it was good to See Carlton davis back out. 1:52:52.400 --> 1:52:54.720 THERE i don't think we'll see him On. Saturday he 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:56.800 might be one of the few guys kind of like 1:52:56.880 --> 1:52:59.120 last week where you, know a few veterans here and 1:52:59.160 --> 1:53:02.479 there were held out out of the, game but he 1:53:02.600 --> 1:53:03.240 practiced both. 1:53:03.320 --> 1:53:05.400 Days he was out there fully. 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:09.520 Participating he had a really funny press conference here yesterday 1:53:10.200 --> 1:53:14.439 where like reporters kept on trying to ask him injury 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:19.360 questions about himself in different. Ways he just like kept 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:21.160 on being, Like i'm not going, there you, know like 1:53:21.200 --> 1:53:23.000 he just kept on making jokes about how we were 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:25.599 trying to trap him into talking about what's going. 1:53:25.640 --> 1:53:28.040 On he did admit that there was something physical. 1:53:27.680 --> 1:53:30.920 Going, on but he felt, like you, know if they 1:53:30.960 --> 1:53:33.240 were playing an actual game On, sunday he would be out, 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:36.519 there but this time of, year it's just more about managing. 1:53:36.560 --> 1:53:39.840 It SO i would harp bono at the defense and 1:53:40.479 --> 1:53:42.559 just stick with What rabel's been saying to, us which 1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:45.720 is just. Tackling you, know they have to be better at, 1:53:45.720 --> 1:53:47.679 tackling and the only way to get better at tackling 1:53:47.760 --> 1:53:48.400 is to practice. 1:53:48.400 --> 1:53:50.760 Tackling and got to do that in the. 1:53:50.760 --> 1:53:56.679 Preseason sous one more time aniche he, there who going, 1:53:56.720 --> 1:54:02.719 once going? Twice, Nope eldrid going once going. 1:54:02.760 --> 1:54:05.920 Twice that's, tough, Tough that's. 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:08.880 Okay, Yeah LIKE i keep leaving people on hold for that, 1:54:08.920 --> 1:54:10.840 long but that's just what happens on the. SHOW i 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.800 do have one more email Here rio In. TEXAS i 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:15.519 want to talk about the future of The. Patriots three 1:54:15.560 --> 1:54:17.960 most important players for this upcoming. Season he Says Drake 1:54:17.960 --> 1:54:20.920 may's number, One Will campbell's number. Two says he thinks 1:54:20.960 --> 1:54:24.960 most people would. Agree, yeah that's. Fair so he has 1:54:24.960 --> 1:54:28.000 an interesting pick for three there for three, Here Kiris. 1:54:28.160 --> 1:54:30.680 Tonga there's no one else on the team that can 1:54:30.680 --> 1:54:32.680 fill his role as a run stuffing nose tackle with 1:54:32.720 --> 1:54:34.760 some juice in the pass. Rush if he goes, down 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.000 we could see the run defense falter for a second straight. 1:54:37.080 --> 1:54:39.880 Year so my mind instantly goes To Christian. Sales but 1:54:40.560 --> 1:54:43.400 to his, point, like, look if they Lose Christian, salz 1:54:43.440 --> 1:54:46.680 that's a major, blow but you Have Carlton. Davis like 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:49.640 the drop off From Carlton davis From Christian zauce To 1:54:49.640 --> 1:54:52.360 Carlton davis maybe isn't as big as the drop off 1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:56.320 From Kiris tonga To Jeremiah. FARMS i guess it would 1:54:56.320 --> 1:55:00.680 be probably the, role, Right SO i still probably Go 1:55:00.680 --> 1:55:04.080 gonzales BECAUSE i just think a lockdown corner is that. 1:55:04.120 --> 1:55:07.800 Important but SO I i would GO i might even 1:55:07.840 --> 1:55:12.440 Go May Gonzalez campbell BECAUSE i Think may can maybe 1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:16.000 do some things where if the pass protection isn't, perfect 1:55:16.040 --> 1:55:18.880 he can still make. Plays whereas if you Lose, GONZALES 1:55:18.920 --> 1:55:20.360 i think you're gonna lose the ability to do some 1:55:20.440 --> 1:55:22.400 things you want to do, defensively not, everything but some. 1:55:22.480 --> 1:55:25.680 Things but they do in theory have a replacement For Christian. 1:55:25.720 --> 1:55:29.080 Gonzalez nobody can really replace, him but like there's a 1:55:29.120 --> 1:55:31.440 clear next man. Up they don't really have that With, 1:55:31.480 --> 1:55:33.160 Tonga SO i don't know THAT i have him at. 1:55:33.200 --> 1:55:35.600 Three he probably would be higher on my list than 1:55:35.640 --> 1:55:37.560 most people would think in terms of the most important, 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:40.440 players especially after the camp he's. Had but it's a 1:55:40.520 --> 1:55:41.560 it's a good point By Rio. 1:55:41.640 --> 1:55:45.320 Evan so is this a long term look or are 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:45.960 we just talking about? 1:55:45.960 --> 1:55:47.879 It so he says for this upcoming. 1:55:47.960 --> 1:55:54.120 Season so to, me it's Made Campbell Stefon diggs, like 1:55:54.440 --> 1:55:57.520 it's a good. ONE i just for twenty twenty, Five 1:55:57.560 --> 1:56:00.120 Like Safon diggs is not a long term thing. Necessarily 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:03.400 but it's not just you, know we've done this. Before 1:56:03.440 --> 1:56:05.840 it's not just The Stefan diggs. Himself it's also the 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:08.760 hierarchy of the wide receiver room and like how the 1:56:08.840 --> 1:56:13.000 pressure that that puts on guys like Uh Pop douglas 1:56:13.000 --> 1:56:16.200 And Kashawan boody And Kyle, williams like If Sefon diggs 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:19.240 were to get hurt in this serious, time like we're 1:56:19.320 --> 1:56:21.360 kind of back where we were last year with this 1:56:21.400 --> 1:56:23.320 wide receiver, Room like you have a rookie that you're 1:56:23.360 --> 1:56:25.520 hopeful is going to play, well and you have some 1:56:25.560 --> 1:56:28.320 other younger players that are, promising but you have no, 1:56:28.560 --> 1:56:34.360 Dude like you have no established veteran star. Receiver SO 1:56:34.680 --> 1:56:37.120 i Think diggs is is hugely. IMPORTANT i know that's 1:56:37.240 --> 1:56:39.640 three guys in all on offense and there's no, defense 1:56:39.680 --> 1:56:42.920 and that does feel, weird BUT i would Say diggs 1:56:42.960 --> 1:56:43.680 has got to be in that. 1:56:43.680 --> 1:56:48.840 Game your fantasy. Football, no it's, Fair diggs is up. 1:56:48.880 --> 1:56:53.240 THERE I I i just think with With, POP i 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:55.520 have faith In Kyle. Williams we talked about What raebel 1:56:55.560 --> 1:56:57.960 said about him, Today LIKE i don't think you're all 1:56:58.000 --> 1:57:00.640 the way back to last. YEAR i also just think 1:57:00.640 --> 1:57:03.480 there's a chance that Like diggs isn't one hundred percent right. 1:57:03.480 --> 1:57:07.800 Away we they there's probably plans in place For diggs 1:57:07.840 --> 1:57:10.440 to get off to a slow. START i would hope not, 1:57:10.520 --> 1:57:12.480 That like not That i'm betting on, it but it's 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:14.080 a guy coming off in acl is thirty one years. 1:57:14.080 --> 1:57:16.880 Old LIKE i don't, know do you know What i'm, Saying, 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:19.800 LIKE i don't mean. It i'm not trying to SAY 1:57:19.840 --> 1:57:21.400 i don't Think diggs is gonna do. WELL i just 1:57:21.480 --> 1:57:25.720 think the contingency plan for Losing diggs is stronger than 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:27.040 the contingency plan for Losing. 1:57:27.080 --> 1:57:31.080 GONZALES i, GUESS i just you. THINK i don't. 1:57:31.080 --> 1:57:34.640 Know, YEAH i, guess, WELL i guess With Carlton davis's injury, 1:57:34.680 --> 1:57:37.640 history MAYBE i don't. 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:39.680 KNOW i just look at the wide receiver room always 1:57:39.760 --> 1:57:42.760 is that, hierarchy that pecking order of like do you 1:57:42.760 --> 1:57:46.160 have a coverage dictating? Receiver do you not have a dictating? Receiver, 1:57:46.440 --> 1:57:48.800 well the only guy that's gonna that has that potential 1:57:48.840 --> 1:57:51.120 to be truly a coverage dictating receiver. 1:57:50.880 --> 1:57:53.960 Is So diggs has that, potential but he's thirty, one 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:56.440 he's coming off TORN Acl gonzalz is coming off In 1:57:56.520 --> 1:57:59.840 All pro, Season and that's kind of What i'm going off, Of, like, yeah, 1:58:00.240 --> 1:58:03.280 YEAH i think There's diggs has the potential to be, 1:58:03.400 --> 1:58:06.560 three but there's more variance with. HIM i feel very 1:58:06.560 --> 1:58:08.040 comfortable knowing What i'm getting From. 1:58:08.080 --> 1:58:10.200 Christiannzales yeah that's, fair all? 1:58:10.280 --> 1:58:14.080 Right that that'll do it for this episode To catch twenty. 1:58:14.120 --> 1:58:17.720 Two thanks everybody for tuning. In we will be back next. 1:58:17.720 --> 1:58:21.040 Week what day next? Week because They, thursday SO. 1:58:21.680 --> 1:58:22.400 I just thought of. 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:24.760 That the game Is, thursday so we can't Do, thursday 1:58:24.840 --> 1:58:26.400 so we'll probably end up Doing. 1:58:26.640 --> 1:58:28.040 Wednesday are they practicing On? 1:58:28.080 --> 1:58:31.080 TUESDAY i believe, so but there will you, know there 1:58:31.080 --> 1:58:33.400 obviously is no practice On, wednesday the day before the, 1:58:33.400 --> 1:58:35.960 game So i'm just On. 1:58:36.000 --> 1:58:39.680 Tuesday But i'm also traveling On. WEDNESDAY i forgot it to. 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:41.640 Road so, well we have to figure this. 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:45.240 Out, yeah this is what we do On Patriots beat, 1:58:45.280 --> 1:58:46.880 Now like the last five minutes of every show is 1:58:46.880 --> 1:58:47.480 planning the next. 1:58:47.480 --> 1:58:48.720 Show, yeah Maybe. 1:58:48.760 --> 1:58:50.760 TUESDAY i actually might not be able to Do wednesday, 1:58:50.800 --> 1:58:51.880 Either so. 1:58:52.560 --> 1:58:54.400 Oh you, got you? Got you're in the big. 1:58:54.520 --> 1:58:57.680 Chair NO i. AM i am calling The old time 1:58:57.720 --> 1:58:59.000 baseball game For Steve buckley. 1:58:59.240 --> 1:59:00.600 Again, no there you. 1:59:00.640 --> 1:59:02.120 GO i know it's a. THING i look forward to, 1:59:02.120 --> 1:59:03.800 it but DA's unless we do in the. 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