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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Bazar and Lazarren. Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always

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Speaker 2: by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bart Or did you

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Speaker 1: have to like control yourself when Tatum walked out to practice?

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Speaker 1: We'll talk without anything.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: In the second great question of Drake made by the

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Speaker 1: way good football talk listen.

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Speaker 3: As every once in a while as a team employee,

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Speaker 3: I have to serve up the softball, all right?

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Speaker 1: As about the Duke un c raveries not a softball

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I want to I want to stick on

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much basketball talk we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into today. It is is Alex Bart in the host

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Speaker 1: chair on today's episode of Catch twenty two. Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota for joint practices between the Patriots and Vikings.

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Speaker 1: So changing it up here a little bit today, We'll

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Speaker 1: still have plenty of Patriots content for you over the

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Speaker 1: I also, I think I have access to the emails here.

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Speaker 1: here on the joint practices in Minnesota. The second of

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Speaker 1: two just wrapped up, so we'll keep it pretty general.

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Speaker 1: Between the two. It kind of sounds like it was

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Speaker 1: a tale of two days. Patriots won the day on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Vikings came back, had a much better day today. So

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Speaker 1: not trying to avoid the conversation of today. I just

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Speaker 1: later in the day than we usually do, so we

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Speaker 1: can look at the picture as a whole. But just

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Speaker 1: to catch anybody up who wasn't following along. Evan, your

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Speaker 1: quick summation of what today.

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Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, what you just put it a tale of

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Speaker 3: two days. I think that's a really fair way to

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Speaker 2: And I think overall, like that's kind of.

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Speaker 3: Positive, right that the Patriots were able to win a

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Speaker 3: and has aspirations for the playoffs once again here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: So I still come out of it overall feeling positive. Now,

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Speaker 3: with that being said, we have to be honest about

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Speaker 3: uncharacteristic mental errors from Drake May, So that was good

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Speaker 1: The one thing about that and something that stood out

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Speaker 3: In Minnesota, Yeah, I would agree with that, And like

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Speaker 3: Like the big thing that yesterday brought Alex was that

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Speaker 3: Drake May, again, I think he handled it pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounded like, I mean maybe some of those

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Speaker 1: they didn't have their starting left card today, Morgan Moses.

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Speaker 3: I thought yesterday most of the breakdowns that I saw

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Speaker 3: That those scheme brushes, especially from Flora's, that that's going

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Speaker 2: There are probably some more physical.

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Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you that, like what

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Speaker 2: Is that one hundred percent what it's going to be?

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Speaker 3: Because I didn't think that Ben Brown had a great

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Speaker 2: Those were the things that we were seeing out there.

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Speaker 1: here about with Stefan Diggs. The big thing with him is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when he doesn't get the ball, still understanding

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Speaker 1: I think Diggs is going to get the ball in

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Speaker 1: And it sounded like, ironically the ball came his way

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Speaker 3: So I thought, like you said, it was a better

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Speaker 3: He caught two passes from Joshua Dobbs, who, by the way,

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Speaker 3: You know, they were better in sevens than they were

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Speaker 2: The island is expanded, but it's not an island.

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Speaker 1: He's not a paper. That doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: People are building houses, people are moving in.

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Speaker 3: This is to This is honestly a Bill Simmons thing,

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Speaker 2: Afton Chisholm. Regardless you want to get mad, I'm calling

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. I just think it's analogy.

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Speaker 3: They're actually they're buying land and then they're building houses.

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Speaker 2: So if you want some land on ft chishom Island alls, you.

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Speaker 3: Better start to purchase right now because it's getting a

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how you're getting Chisholm.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe they have that Edelment Ammondola thing going

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Speaker 3: envisioning a scenario where he doesn't make this team. Like

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Speaker 2: You know, we can talk about some of the individual plays.

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Speaker 2: He was just he was open.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was open consistently throughout the entire practice.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, I don't know how they get

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Speaker 1: Position, just to get a look. And we were here

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think it asked to me because I thought Jayvon

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Speaker 3: Von Baker made a couple plays. He's been consistently contributing

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Speaker 2: I'm with you though on Chishlm.

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Speaker 3: Like I, it's to the point now with Chishm where

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Speaker 3: we go back to Foxborough next week and efton Chishlm

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Speaker 2: So I could definitely see that.

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Speaker 1: So it was funny if Abel was asked before practice

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Speaker 1: He kind of shot it down, Like he didn't entirely

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Speaker 1: That's how real is this. He's been awesome this summer.

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Speaker 1: We've seen player and I don't I'm not wishing this

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Speaker 3: I was mostly here eighth training camp and the this

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Speaker 1: just doing any rookie I think it's Chandler Jones and

441
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Speaker 1: Dante hi Toower.

442
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

443
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Speaker 1: In terms of thinking, yeah, right, I was a skill position. Yeah,

444
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: you're you're you're probably going that far back. I mean,

445
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle had an impact. I would say he had

446
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Speaker 1: a pretty significant impact. It was different because he wasn't

447
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: a big play threat, right, but he had a tremendous

448
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: impact on that team. You can't say he didn't.

449
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an impact.

450
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 3: For sure, but I would just you mentioned it just there,

451
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 3: like it's the big plays, right, you know. Even today,

452
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: which wasn't a great day for the offense. You know,

453
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: they were working out of maybe from like the ten

454
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 3: to twelve yard line, and they opened up a little

455
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: bit of a crease for him on an outside zone

456
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 3: run and he just exploded through the hole and just

457
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: ran right into the end zone. It was like the

458
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: cleanest run that they probably had over the two days.

459
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 3: And you just see the speed. You know, the wheel

460
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 3: route's going to get a lot of attention. But there

461
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 3: was actually a play earlier on a similar kind of

462
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 3: route where he had a defender on him and he

463
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 3: was able to go up and get the ball and

464
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Speaker 3: finish through some contact. At his size, he's got ability

465
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Speaker 3: to win at the catch point as well. And then

466
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Speaker 3: the pass protection, like I mentioned before, he had he's

467
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Speaker 3: had some ridiculous pass protection reps over the last two days.

468
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 3: He took a guide today that kind of was jumping,

469
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Speaker 3: you know, in the air to try to back down

470
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Speaker 3: and Drake may pass and traveon Henderson. They all, you know,

471
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: with offensive lineman, they always say punish jumpers, right if

472
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Speaker 3: the guy's gonna jump in the air, then you should

473
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,239
Speaker 3: get your hands on him and you should throw him

474
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Speaker 3: to the ground one hundred and whatever ninety five pounds.

475
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 3: Travion Henderson takes a linebacker who's jumping in the air

476
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 3: and just throws him down into the ground, and like

477
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: you're just like, this guy is just he's just really

478
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 3: good at football.

479
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: He's just a really good football player.

480
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Speaker 3: Now, it's practice, it's preseason, like all those things aside,

481
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 3: but you can see it, like you can you know

482
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: the difference. And frankly, like we've seen skill players that

483
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: they've drafted early that don't have that kind of juice,

484
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 3: and we know what that looks like. Probably a little

485
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: bit too much, right, Like, we know what that looks

486
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: like a little bit too much on the flip side

487
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Speaker 3: of this. So when you see a guy like Trevion

488
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Speaker 3: Henderson do what he does, you can tell that it's different.

489
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Speaker 1: Anything else on the offense from you from the the

490
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Speaker 1: last couple of days.

491
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Speaker 3: I would you know, the tight end position was a

492
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Speaker 3: little quiet, I thought.

493
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Speaker 1: Yesterday west the top full deck.

494
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jack Westover was still in there.

495
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: He's Jack Westover's usage is actually kind of interesting for

496
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Speaker 3: us nerds because he's with the ones, he's running at

497
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Speaker 3: full back, and then they're also still sprinkling in some

498
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: tight end you know, pure tight end reps with the two's,

499
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Speaker 3: so they maybe have a plan or a role in

500
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Speaker 3: mind for Jack Westover. I could see that sticking. And

501
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 3: you know, Hunter Henry didn't practice yesterday.

502
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: He was back today.

503
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: Him and Hooper caught some touchdowns in red zone that

504
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: were probably some of the better eleven on eleven plays

505
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: that the Patriots had today, So that that was good

506
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: to see. I go back to the offensive line though,

507
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: because it's just such a sticking point.

508
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Speaker 2: For this team.

509
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: I just think everything for them offensively starts an end

510
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: with the ends.

511
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: With the line.

512
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Speaker 3: I think Drake may is gonna be good. I think

513
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels is gonna get guys open if they're able

514
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 3: to block, if they're able to hold up up front.

515
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: McDaniel's gonna scheme it up like he'll get guys separation,

516
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: He'll get guys open. He'll use play action, he'll use picks,

517
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: he'll use stacks and bunches, he'll use motion like, he'll

518
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: do different things to help these receivers get off the

519
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and get open. I have no doubt

520
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: about that. I think the questions that you just have

521
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: are really the middle of the line. You know, how

522
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 3: does that solidify itself? Garrett Bradbury, Jared Wilson or wherever

523
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: he's at left guard, and then Campbell? You know Campbell today?

524
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: You know Grenard, Grenard had the advantage. You know, there's

525
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. You know, some of these sacks

526
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: you don't know right, Like he kind of taps Drake

527
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: May on the way by, Like what do you have

528
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: sacked him in a game?

529
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: Who knows?

530
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Speaker 3: But that's really where I'm at, And it's kind of

531
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Speaker 3: like where I've just been at, I guess, And really

532
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 3: it's where just keep going in circles with this with

533
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: the offensive line that it's It's just that's the sticking point.

534
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: If they can block consistently, then I think they're gonna

535
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: to be a pretty good offense.

536
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: Just real quick on westover to go back. I actually

537
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: talked to Thomas Brown on Monday about him, and he

538
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: said one of the things that stood out to him

539
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: is that versatility, the ability to play full back and

540
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: play why and play f tight end. So if you're

541
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Speaker 1: the Patriots, Right, and you want to keep a third

542
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: tight end and you want to keep a full back, Well,

543
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: Westover maybe saves you a roster spot because if he

544
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Speaker 1: can do both, well, now, maybe that's where the seventh

545
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver comes from, or that's where a tenth offensive

546
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: lineman comes from, or another corner or something like that.

547
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: And look, when you want to go super heavy, right

548
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: and you want three tight ends and the fullback, you

549
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: just put Caden Wallace whoever, up on the line of

550
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: scrimmage and he begins your third tight end. So I

551
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Speaker 1: think Westover's probably and I don't Again, I haven't been

552
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Speaker 1: there this week, so you we're gonna have to fill

553
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Speaker 1: in the blank blank. From the last two days, it

554
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: feels like Westover's going to make the team and be

555
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Speaker 1: the fullback. At least that's what it felt like to

556
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Speaker 1: me before they left for Minnesota.

557
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think that that's where we're at now.

558
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: The question that I have with Westover is the fullback

559
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: not on the roster?

560
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

561
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: Is there a waiver a guy that gets placed on

562
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: waivers or cut on cutdown day?

563
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: Does a team not that they.

564
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: Were going to have a traditional fullback and then they

565
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Speaker 3: got into camp and realized that they kind of wanted

566
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: to pivotwa pivot away from a traditional fullback, and you

567
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: could trade for one or just acquire one somehow from

568
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: a different avenue because Westover's had some good blocks. He

569
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Speaker 3: caught a team touchdown from Joshua Dobbs in the one

570
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: minute drill to end practice today. That was a nice moment.

571
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Speaker 3: So it's not that he has no plus plays or highlights,

572
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it to think about. But

573
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Speaker 3: I don't know if, like I had on my Bengo card,

574
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Speaker 3: that Jack Westover was going to make this team. And

575
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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that it's like an Efting Chisholm

576
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: situation where he's really just coming on strong to make

577
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: the roster.

578
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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

579
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Speaker 3: But your point about his versatility is really what it

580
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: is is if he can do that, if he can

581
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: kind of be a jack of all trades, then that

582
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: might be enough.

583
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Again, we'll go We'll go pretty phone and email heavy

584
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: today eight five five, pass, five hundred. I want to

585
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: hit on a couple more things from the joint practice.

586
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: I also realized we haven't had a show since the game,

587
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: so we should probably talk.

588
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: A little bit about that. That's true.

589
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: I know how tough it is with these joint practices

590
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: when they're on two fields at once and he can't

591
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: watch everything, and it sounds like you're watching mostly the offense.

592
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: So all just like like big picture thoughts on the defense.

593
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: It sounded like they had a better day yesterday than today.

594
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: How much did JJ McCarthy suck? Like, what'd you see

595
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: from that unit?

596
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: So I wish I could report that JJ McCarthy had

597
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: two terrible days.

598
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding, but I you know, we both.

599
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: I know he had won. I know from seeing the reports,

600
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: I know he had one.

601
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: Felt about JJ McCarthy he had a good day today

602
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: all by all accounts, And I'm comparing notes with Deuce

603
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: and other people that were watching defense. It wasn't it

604
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot, right, but everybody that had two people here,

605
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: it felt like they divided and conquered over the last

606
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: couple of days.

607
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: But I would you look at the defense.

608
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: I think there was some pressure on McCarthy, which is

609
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: good to hear. You know, Christian Barmore was back out

610
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: there today. Sounded like early on in the practice he

611
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: was able to get some pressures and get in the backfield.

612
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: Yesterday it was Landry and Williams that were sort of

613
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: ups or stars of the day on the defensive side

614
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: of the ball getting in the backfield. So it does

615
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: sound like, even though McCarthy kind of you know, punched

616
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: back today, so to speak, that the defense and the

617
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: pressure had was impactful or noticeable. I think the things

618
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: that defensively that were you know, there are things that

619
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: just stir on my mind and I want to well,

620
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: let's go one at a time, because I think there's

621
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: a lot to unpack. The biggest thing that's on my

622
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: mind right now is how they're going to cover tight ends? Yeah,

623
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Speaker 3: and I don't just mean that who's going to cover

624
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: the tight end? I mean literally how like, what's the

625
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: game plan, what's the scheme, what's the x's and knows

626
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: of how they're going to go about covering tight ends

627
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: in this defense because we knew with Belichick man to

628
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: man defense, they had those tight end stopps, you know,

629
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: the safety hybrids that they would use a lot on

630
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: the tight ends. But in this camp and these joint practices,

631
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: even going back to the one in Foxborough with the

632
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: commanders that you can speak to more with Ertz, like

633
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: Ertz has given them problems last week, and Howkinson has

634
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: given them problems this week. And we all know who's

635
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: coming here week one with the Las Vegas Raiders and

636
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: brought Bowers. So I want to get to ahead of

637
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: ourselves to start talking about week one.

638
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: But how are they going to cover them? What's the

639
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: schematic wrinkles?

640
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: And who is equipped in this defensive back room to

641
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: cover them? Because yesterday they primarily put Jabriel Peppers on TJ.

642
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: Hockinson and that didn't go so well. Today it sounded

643
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: like it was a lot of Marcus Jones on TJ.

644
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: Howkinson and that didn't go particularly well either. So what

645
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: are they doing there?

646
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: So there were two things I want to ask them.

647
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: They both kind of relate to this. What it was

648
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: Carl Davis more involved.

649
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: Today, Yes, the outside?

650
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: How did he look? Does he look healthy? Does he

651
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: look good?

652
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? He looks he looks normal. He looks like Carlton Davis.

653
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't think that his guys were really

654
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: the primary guys honestly, and I don't mean to pick

655
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: on him, but the guy that that really got picked on,

656
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: which kind of is my second thing here, was Marcus Jones.

657
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: You know, Marcus Jones was the one that they were

658
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: really targeting.

659
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: But but one of these things, well, so okay, and

660
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: I want to get back to that. And there's another

661
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: part of this that we need to mention too, obviously

662
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: if you're we'll get to him. Was this because this

663
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: happens with Marcus Jones every once in a while. Did

664
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones struggle because he was out of position and

665
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: he was getting beat on leverage and he wasn't reading

666
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: routes right? Or did Marcus Jones struggle because he's five

667
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: eight and they're asking him the guys to they're asking

668
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: him to cover guys that are six five because the

669
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: second one, okay, so that one doesn't bother me. Just

670
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: and look, I like Marcus Jones. He's a good player,

671
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: and I think he plays with tremendous physicality for his size.

672
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: I do, It's part of what makes I'm a good player.

673
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: There's still a limitation to that in terms of height.

674
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Like I remember when they had him, I think it

675
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: was twenty two. Was it twenty one or twenty two? Well,

676
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: he was in the twenty two drafts, It wouldn't have

677
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: been twenty one. The Bengals came here in like November,

678
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: and they had him covering T Higgins and he was

679
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: on T Higgins for most of the game, but they

680
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: just started throwing T Higgins jump balls and at the

681
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean they both have elite verticals.

682
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: You start at six' five versus started five to, eight

683
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: one guy's gonna. Win so that that doesn't bother me so.

684
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Much Like Marcus jones shouldn't be covering tight. Ends you

685
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be asked to be doing that just size. Wise

686
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: it's not a. Fit Carlton davis could be an. Answer

687
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: the other guy who probably is not an answer here

688
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen this, camp BUT i wonder

689
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: if he was supposed to be a part of the

690
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: answer to that question and it hasn't worked, out Is

691
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: kyle Dugger and for people who have missed, It Kyle

692
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: duggar's running with the twos today With Jabrill peppers, out

693
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: it sounds like he was still with the twos and

694
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: it was Del pettis moving, up if that's. Correct, Devan

695
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: was that the, Case.

696
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that was the.

697
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: Case.

698
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah like With, douger let me be, clear, boy that

699
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: they're Not douger's usage is not reflected of a player

700
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: who's outright. Cut that, Is AND i don't mean to

701
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: pick on the guy because you, Know i'm a fan of.

702
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: His That Anthony jennings is being used like a player

703
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: who's not gonna make the. Team Avery jennings is on

704
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: the scout. Team that's. It he played till the end

705
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: of the preseason. Game, like that's indicative of a player

706
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: who they don't play. On keep picking. AROUND i hope

707
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: they can trade. Him it would really suck to have

708
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: to cut a player that has his talent but he's

709
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: not a fit for the. Defense, FINE i get. It you,

710
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: know maybe you can find him a, Role BUT i get.

711
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: It Kyle duggar is being used like a bubble. Player

712
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: Kyle dugger's being used like a player who's you, know

713
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: if you were to rank the roster one to ninety

714
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: fifty three guys make, it he's probably fifty four to fifty,

715
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: five fifty, six, right so or fit between fifty and fifty,

716
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: six just on or just. Off what complicates it is

717
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: he's on a fourteen million dollar contract that they really

718
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: don't save a lot of money this. Year if they cut,

719
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: him they save, money they trade, him they save money

720
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: for the. Future but you could also cut him after

721
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: this year and still save that. Money so do you

722
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: keep a fourteen million dollar? Woid essentially would be a,

723
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Backup and there are some questions that go into. That

724
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: how would he handle? That you, know what are your other?

725
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Options so JUST i guess putting that all on the.

726
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Table what have you seen For kyle From Kyle, Duggart

727
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: where do you think this? Goes?

728
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: WELL i would just take From Kyle, DUGGART i would

729
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: just Take Michael mike rabel At fay's value here when

730
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: he says it's. Sad his answer yesterday to The dugger, question,

731
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: yeah was that it's mostly, mental, right it's, system it's

732
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: a scheme. Change and even though there's a different coach

733
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: here last, Year Kyle duggar has only ever been in

734
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: The belichick defense since he got. Drafted so when he

735
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: comes in here and now he's in a whole new

736
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: defense and he's learning not to pick on where he

737
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: went to. School But Leonora ryan was probably not running

738
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: AN nfl, defense, Right and so like we're really talking

739
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: About Kyle DUGGER'S nfl experience all being in The belichick,

740
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: playbook and now you put this new defense in which

741
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: is a lot more split, safety it's a lot more quarters.

742
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: Based there is still Manton, man but it's just. Different

743
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: and so the guys that are getting, Run Craig, Woodson Jalen,

744
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: howkins like those guys are pure free.

745
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: Safeties they're. PRIORITY i Think.

746
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: Craig woodson's a pure free safety or more of a,

747
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: TWEENER i, see it's.

748
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: MORE i think he's a pure free.

749
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: Safety SO i think would you put him on tight

750
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: ends Or?

751
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: NO i don't think, so BECAUSE i think the biggest

752
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: issue that they had With hockinson.

753
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: Today, hey and.

754
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: And maybe you KNOW i watched a little bit more

755
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: of it today than, yesterday is that it's not that

756
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: they're guys that there are covering him are getting. Dusted

757
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: it's catch points, stuff, Right And Greig woodson doesn't have

758
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: a great length and armspan, Either so like that's the

759
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: biggest issue is, that you, Know Marcus, jones you mentioned

760
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: the five foot eight. Thing it's not just that he's

761
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: only five foot, eight it's also that his reach just isn't.

762
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: Great so when he gets on the back of a

763
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: tight end and the tight end is just able to

764
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: just box him. Out like it's not even about, elevation

765
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: it's also just about catch, point you, know ability to

766
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: reach into the cookie.

767
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: Jar there and get the ball when he's.

768
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: Targeted SO i just look at this like schematically to

769
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: talk about it From max's nose, Standpoint is it just

770
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: as simple as when you face a really good tight

771
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: end like A hockinson or like A, bowers that you

772
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: have a primary man to man, defender but you also

773
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: are either bracketing, him or you have robber help or

774
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: low hule, help or he's playing off of help to

775
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: the middle of the field so that it's helping him

776
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: take away certain routes and he can just kind of

777
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: focus on covering the seams and covering you know that

778
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: type of. Thing, Right we've seen that in the past With,

779
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: belichick that he would do that against you, know number,

780
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: ones you, know really good. Receivers but then like the

781
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: other side of that is is when they go in

782
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: against an offense that has you, know other playmakers where

783
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: you might not be able to commit all those resources

784
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: to covering a tight, end and then there's really one

785
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: on one matchups with the tight, end, Right, like then

786
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 3: what do you do because, right now Like ERT's last,

787
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: week it was kind Of Kyle, dugger and that's sort

788
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: of what started this whole thing With Kyle. DUGGER i

789
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: think is That ERT's had a lot of connections With

790
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: Jayden daniels in the joint practice with The. Commanders you,

791
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 3: know this, Week conkinson has picked on some guys. Too

792
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: so my, QUESTION i guess to you and just to

793
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: for the sake of, conversation like Because Alex austin get

794
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: into this mix at some, point maybe like that's the

795
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: only other guy THAT i can think, of because you're

796
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: gonna Have Christian gonzalez And Carlton davis as your primary.

797
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: Corners Alex austin's had a nice.

798
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: CAMP i think he's AN nfl. CORNER i think he's

799
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: a third corner in this. League but maybe in order

800
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: to get him on the field and to get some

801
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: size on those tight, ends like maybe you could not fully,

802
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: convert like you can still play some outside, corner but

803
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: maybe in certain game, Plans Alex austen is the guy

804
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: that on third down is covering the tight.

805
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: End, well, look If rabel comes from that That belichick,

806
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: background where we Know bill would look at elite tight

807
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: ends and treat them like wide. Receivers he called them wide.

808
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Receivers so is it you're Calling Alex austin a safeter

809
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: or is it you're calling Brock bauers a wide, receiver

810
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think it might be more of the. Latter and,

811
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: YEAH i MEAN i don't Hate Alex austen as a

812
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: tight end, stopper you, know with. HELP i think with The,

813
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: raiders and we've talked about, this you can probably Use

814
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: Carlton davis because they don't have the wide receiver depth right.

815
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: Now you, know when you play The steelers and they

816
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: HAVE Dk metcalf and why AM i blanking on their

817
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: other outside?

818
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: Guy it's Not George pickens.

819
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: Anymore, NO i know it's. Not that's WHAT i almost.

820
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Said we're we're both playing king on it at the.

821
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: Moment keep. Talking i'll.

822
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: LOOK i almost Said Matthew golden BECAUSE i REMEMBER i

823
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Mocked Matthew golden to, them and that would have been

824
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: a sneaky fun pick if they'd done.

825
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 6: It.

826
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: Yeah so the reason why we can't think of it

827
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: is because it's, like it's not.

828
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: Great they don't really have. Anybody, YEAH i thought they

829
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: had another.

830
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: Guy all, Right Robert WOODS i, Mean i'm A Roman wilson,

831
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: guy but he's more of a.

832
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Whoever whoever they face that has a good tight end

833
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: and two outside, guys, Right like then maybe It's Alex.

834
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: AUSTIN i still don't Hate Carlton davison in that. Role you,

835
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: know has anybody thrown out The Carlton davis that keep

836
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: to leap comp? Yet or AM i the first ye to?

837
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: Do AND i do agree with, that but like if

838
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: they if you play a team AND i know it's

839
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: not every team that's built this, way and and Justin

840
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: jefferson wasn't practicing today but or, Yesterday but like the

841
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: WAY i think about thought about it with This vikings,

842
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 3: Matchup like if you're playing The vikings in a regular

843
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: season game and their offense was fully, healthy you Have

844
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: jefferson And, addison, Right so like you're not going to

845
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: put That dollas Or davis On. Hockinson but how many

846
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: of those teams are they going to? FACE i mean

847
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: in the, division you at least Have, miami, right you.

848
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: Know miami is Different. Miami you can Use Marcus jones

849
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: on the. Outside, yeah that's, Fair so that frees Up

850
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: Carlton davis that's.

851
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: FAIR i, yeah it's JUST i guess it's more like

852
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: it's two. Full it's a blind spot to, ME i

853
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: think in terms of how this scheme handles tight ends in,

854
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: general because we were so accustomed to how they did

855
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: it Under belichick THAT i still don't one hundred percent

856
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: have a great feel for what they want to. Do you, know, practices,

857
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: practice like they're running their base coverages and things like.

858
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: That they're not going to like game PLAN. Tj hockinson

859
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: for a joint. Practice so that's one.

860
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Thing so just real quick to go through. It Like,

861
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: raiders No, dolphins No, steelers No. Panthers, no they don't

862
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: have like they don't have in, McMillan even we don't

863
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: know what he's going to. Be The bills don't have

864
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: to elite outside. Guys they do have a good tight

865
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: BUT i think you Can Carl davis on tight. End There,

866
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: saints No, titans No, brown's No, falcons probably. Not who's

867
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: their guy Opposite london at this.

868
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: Point, Oh Darnell. Mooney he's a good, player.

869
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah but he you can Put Marcus jones On Darnell. Mooney,

870
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah like just for the, Record So, tampa Although. Tampa

871
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: Who's Tampas titan is still, Uh Who's Tampas?

872
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Titan?

873
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: Oh oh, man we're really quizzing ourselves right now on THE.

874
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 1: I, MEAN i know most of. THESE i feel good about.

875
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: It most of THESE i have off the. Time it's

876
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: THE nfc teams that tripped me. Up So tampa has

877
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: the two great outside, guys but they're starting Tight, okay

878
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: It's Kate. AUGHTON i don't know WHY i Thought Kate

879
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: aughton was like older than. That Kate hughton's only twenty,

880
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: six WHILE i thought he'd been there for a few

881
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: years When brady got. THERE i guess not like you're

882
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: not worried About Kate aughton like you're worried about Brock.

883
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: Bauers so that's one where they have the two outside,

884
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: guys but you're not worried about what's going on at tight.

885
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: End The jets know The. Bengals maybe if everybody's healthy

886
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: at that, point because you're gonna Have obviously there are

887
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: two big guys on the, Outside yoshavas and the, slot

888
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: and They're gasiki's been good for this, Solved so, Okay

889
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: november twenty, third you got to come up with a

890
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: plan By thanksgiving, basically and Then Giants. Bills The ravens

891
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: would be another, one and then The jets and The.

892
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Dolphins so you have two games where this kind of

893
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: layout might actually be a problem three if you want

894
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: to count The bucks if you're a big fan Of Kate.

895
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Otten none of those games are Till, november so it

896
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: is something to figure, out like in the short, term,

897
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: Though i'm Not i'm not against putting carl And i'm

898
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: sure we missed one of people yells yell at us

899
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: in the, comments but there's clearly not that, MANY i

900
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: think for a good amount of the. Season if you're

901
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: worried about facing an elite tight, end you can Move

902
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: Carlton davis inside or not, inside but against the tight,

903
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: end and some of those tight ends line up on the.

904
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: Boundary and, yeah when you get To november twenty third

905
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: and you're playing The, Bengals i'm sure we'll talk a

906
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: lot about it on that. Show hopefully by that, point

907
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: Either Kyle duggar's figured out the defense Or Craig woodson

908
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: has shown you some more chops in coverage or. Whatever right,

909
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Something it's a long. Season things. Happen just to put a.

910
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Ball on the, conversation, though what do you think ultimately

911
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: happens With Kyle.

912
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: Dugger, YEAH i don't.

913
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: Know it's it's an expensive, backup, RIGHT i, mean if

914
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 3: that's the role for, him, yeah but it.

915
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: Is but they there's not this massive crunch for roster,

916
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Spots like he still is probably one of the fifty

917
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: three best players on the, team and they have the cap.

918
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: Space SO i.

919
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: Think the biggest Thing they're not a team that's prohibited

920
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: from keeping expensive.

921
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: Backup SO i think that the thing THAT i see

922
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: With Kyle duggart that first of, all just off off

923
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: the top Of Kyle, dugger, Like i'm A Kyle dugger.

924
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: GUY i kind of have been an apologiest for him

925
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: over the last couple of.

926
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: Years he's had highs and high highs and low lows at.

927
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: Times you, know he does give up plays and, coverage

928
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: but when.

929
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: He's at his, best he's makes a handful of just,

930
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: dynamic splast plays on the, ball and that those can

931
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: be really. Valuable you, KNOW i will always go back

932
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: to him jumping that screen against The raiders and just

933
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: walking into the end, Zone like those types of plays

934
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: that he would make or were rare Plays but the

935
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: thing With Kyle, dugger in my, mind is a combination

936
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 3: of is his athleticism sapped by that injury last year

937
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: and he's not all the way back because this was

938
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: an explosive, Athlete like he was a great combine tester coming.

939
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: Out he was an explosive athlete for the first couple

940
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: of years of his career until last year when he was,

941
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: hurt AND i thought he was gonna come back and

942
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: be the guy that we saw two years, ago, hopefully

943
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: and he just.

944
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: Hasn't he doesn't move as well right? Now? Now is

945
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: that also like long witted, answer but, like is that also? Mental?

946
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: Right is it also that he's not protesting the game

947
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: quick enough because of this this scheme change and the

948
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: difference in the, Defense like that's also possible, Too SO

949
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: i just, wonder you, know you brought Up Anthony. JENNINGS

950
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: i feel a similar way About Jelanni, Tovai like Is kyle?

951
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: Hurt that's IT'S i, know BUT i But i'm also

952
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: just thinking about, like, like is it is A Jelawnie

953
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: devis style.

954
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: LINEBACKER i get what you're, Saying, okay a fit in this?

955
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: Defense like does that does do they have a role

956
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: for that kind of player in this defense.

957
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: As a, backup, probably but it's not a significant.

958
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: ROLE i don't know.

959
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: WHERE i don't know If Kyle dugger is a schematic

960
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: fit in the defense that they want to. Run and

961
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: maybe that's not a this year thing because you can't

962
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: turn over the entire roster in one offseason and you're

963
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: gonna have guys that are going to be holdovers from

964
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: a different.

965
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: Scheme but it just long.

966
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: TERM i look At Kyle dugger and, say maybe this

967
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: just isn't it's not the right defense for.

968
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: Him, YEAH i get trust did roster turnover things? Big

969
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: i've been playing madd and it's hard to get the

970
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: whole roster turned oversquising. ON i Have madden codes by

971
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: the way On, twitter if you want to go check that.

972
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: Out uh real, Quick, Evan i'll you submit to win

973
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: A madden. Code, okay your Favorite and a lot of

974
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: people have not read the directions Because i've gotten quite

975
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: a few answers that say The Malcolm butler interception or

976
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: The James white. Touchdown but if you read the, DIRECTIONS

977
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: i asked for people's Favorite patriots regular season. MEMORY i

978
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: almost did regular season touchdown AND i THOUGHT i thought

979
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: too many people would just Say Campbell. TOMPKINS i wanted

980
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: the wider, gap And i've gotten some good. Ones it's

981
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough. Choice i'm going to decide tomorrow

982
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: because they haven't actually sent. Me they'd send you the

983
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: codes like twenty four hours. Later but favorite regular Season patriots,

984
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: MEMORY i have. MINE i have. TWO i, like one's

985
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: my personal favorite and ONE i just think was like

986
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: my favorite.

987
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Game, okay SO i have.

988
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: Two, okay naturally that's how this show would.

989
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: Go AND i have a difficult time, deciding okay between

990
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: these two BECAUSE i think both of.

991
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 2: Them i'm trying To i'm.

992
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: Not asking you for the best, game like your personal.

993
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: Favorite there's pert. Like So i'll give you one for

994
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: me is the fifty nine to nothing snow game against The,

995
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: titans because that's a whole. Game that's not A I

996
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: i'll count as a. Moment it's kind of Wide i'll

997
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: count as a. Moment that's. Fair the REASON i like

998
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: that game IS i don't remember, why but my parents

999
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: and my brother had something like they were. OUT i

1000
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: used to love it when it, SNOWED i like had

1001
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: the house to. Myself it was a snowy day AND

1002
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: i just sat down and watched The patriots go belt

1003
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: to ask like that was just a that WAS i

1004
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: just had so much fun watching that. Game that's always

1005
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: a fund. Memory and then the the the twenty four

1006
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: point comeback against The, BRONCOS i think was just like,

1007
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Exhilarating like.

1008
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: That was just. ELECTRIC i was at.

1009
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: That you were you were at every game THAT i

1010
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: WISH i was.

1011
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: AT i was at that game sitting on the fifty yard.

1012
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: Line thank you to my.

1013
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: Uncle one other, one, TOO i gotta give you Is

1014
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: David patten's.

1015
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: Cycle, okay SO i have two that stand out for.

1016
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: Me maybe these an't just because of how iconic they

1017
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: are On patriots.

1018
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: Is. Yeah the first one Is Randy moss breaking the

1019
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: record With Tom.

1020
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: Brady and that has been a popular. ANSWER i, mean

1021
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: that's that's gotta be near the. TIME i, mean SO

1022
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: i probably wouldn't have been able to do this prompt

1023
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: if they win That Super, bowl because that would across

1024
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: the board be the. Answer the only reason that's not

1025
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: the greatest regular season moment In patriots history is because

1026
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: of what comes after.

1027
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: It breaking the records simultaneously on one throw and having

1028
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: it be a Vintage, moss you, know Just Tyreek kill

1029
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 3: putting up the peace sign like that is.

1030
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: And let's not forget number. One not only to break

1031
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: both their, records it essentially locked up that game to go.

1032
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: Sixteen and, yeah and they tried the same play the snap.

1033
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: BEFORE i Think brady overthrew them right or something like

1034
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: they missed the times didn't stop, it they missed. It

1035
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: they go back to the huddle AND i think it was,

1036
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: LIKE i forget the, story but Like moss says To

1037
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: brady or someone's, like do it, Again let's do it,

1038
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: again and then they run it back because they wanted that.

1039
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Moment they wanted it to look like. That what's your other?

1040
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: One so my other, ONE i think is that's the

1041
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: biggest moment THAT i can think.

1042
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: Of but this ONE i think is your personal.

1043
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: Favorite, though uh THIS i don't know if it's my personal, favorite,

1044
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: okay but this this, ONE i would, say The moss

1045
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: one is probably my personal. Favorite, Okay but this ONE

1046
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: i think is probably maybe the most, important and that

1047
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: Is Troy brown's walk off touchdown In.

1048
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Miami you know nobody, ELSE i don't, Think and, Look

1049
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: i've been on the. Show i've kind of been looking

1050
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: at them While i'm on the. SHOW i just tweeted

1051
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: this out BEFORE i drove down. HERE i don't Think

1052
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: i've seen a single person say, That so If i'm.

1053
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: Not picking on, anybody we are both young when that.

1054
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: Happened, yeah that might be the age demographic of our.

1055
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: Audience Troy brown's walk off touchdown Against, miami which by the,

1056
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: way is an extremely Underrated Tom brady throw like, That, yeah, yeah.

1057
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: That's a heck of a.

1058
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: Throw and they hadn't won In miami And, eon and

1059
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: it was a moment where that that team clearly stated

1060
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: that they were a different, team, RIGHT i think they

1061
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: were no longer gonna go down To miami and get

1062
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: their butts. Kicked that was back WHEN i think The

1063
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: dolphins the baseball diamonds like on the field and Try

1064
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: brown's running through, it belichick headset thrown up in the

1065
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: air like on the sideline like that was at the

1066
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: at the. Time that Was, HONESTLY i know this is

1067
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: kind of, sad but like that was one of the

1068
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: bigger wins In patriots history at the time.

1069
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: Because they couldn't win The MIAMI i, mean they don't

1070
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: win The. Miami, yeah as.

1071
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: Terms of regular like obviously they, won you, know an

1072
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: eighty five against The dolphins THE Afc championship. Game you,

1073
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 3: know that's a huge one before, that BUT i would

1074
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: say that's one of the biggest regular season wins In

1075
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: patriots history because it's kind of blouses after, That like they're.

1076
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: Just dominant for twenty years from that.

1077
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: Point that was before we expected them to win that

1078
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: game like. That that's back when it was so. SURPRISED

1079
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: i just pulled it up some wild. Ones the first

1080
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: ONE i pulled up The Marcus jones walk off punt

1081
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: return against The.

1082
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: Jets, no that was.

1083
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: Fun that was.

1084
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Fun that Was.

1085
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: Ellis one hundred and eight yard kick return, touchdown a

1086
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: sneaky good. One the Drawn harmon pick on the goal

1087
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: line Against. Pittsburgh, yep The Jesse james caught.

1088
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: It, Game yeah he got. It, yep.

1089
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: Yep twenty four Nothing, broncos The, brady The moss is?

1090
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: There how About moss going up over the three. Defenders

1091
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: that one's. There, yeah but fumble has been a popular.

1092
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: Answer dan connolly kick return is a good one, Anyway

1093
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: those are up. There. Yeah so like if you're Saying

1094
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler's Super bowl, Interception, like you didn't read the,

1095
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: directions so just read the. Directions it's not that hard

1096
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: back joint practices anything. ELSE i think we covered everything

1097
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: from the defense, there, right or DID.

1098
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: I guess the other one THAT i would just say,

1099
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: defensively you? Know, YEAH i think that it kind of

1100
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: goes hand in hand with the tight end take is

1101
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: that nickel?

1102
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Corner and maybe this.

1103
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: Is just reasons he, biased but they've talked so much about,

1104
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: everybody and the organization has talked so much about the big,

1105
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: nickel right and wanting.

1106
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: To have a guy that has some. Side isn't That?

1107
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 2: Austin is It? Austin?

1108
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: PROBABLY i, mean at this point With marcel's, dial you,

1109
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: know out for the, year it's really, no there's not

1110
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: a ton of. Competition BUT i just, wonder you, know

1111
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: If Marcus jones is their type of slot corner And

1112
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: Mark jones is gonna be on the, team, Right and

1113
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 3: don't get me, wrong he's gonna be a primary punt.

1114
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: Returner he's gonna play a corner slot corner a, lot

1115
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: and probably in certain matchups more than. Others BUT i

1116
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 3: still think he's gonna be on the field a. LOT

1117
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: i just wonder, if, like maybe there's a world where It's,

1118
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: Gonzales davis And austin and those are your three guys

1119
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: for all the reasons that we talked about with the

1120
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: tight end, stuff you, know it's kind of all in

1121
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: the same bucket for me in terms of just getting you,

1122
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: know the type of body types that they really would,

1123
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: prefer BECAUSE i don't, Know LIKE i, said maybe it's

1124
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 3: just recency bias And Marcus jones had a tough day

1125
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: today and that's just you know where it. Is but,

1126
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: OVERALL i just wonder about that with them defensively because

1127
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 3: there was just ALL jj McCarthy was doing. Today alps

1128
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: was just putting the ball in a place That Marcus

1129
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: jones simply just could not get to, Right and that's

1130
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: JUST i wonder how much they're going to live with.

1131
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: THAT i think some of that's matchup pace. Too we've

1132
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: talked about, this like when you play The, dolphins you're

1133
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna use More Marcus, jones when you play The,

1134
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: bengals you're probably. Not, LIKE i think he's kind of

1135
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: a matchup Play he's a good matchup, player BUT i

1136
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a matchup player all, right you

1137
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: have to do this. Now for, me it was usually

1138
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: the other way. Around, yes how did the kickers?

1139
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 3: Look so they didn't do a ton of killing, today,

1140
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 3: okay WHICH i, thought WHICH i thought was. WEIRD i

1141
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 3: thought they were going to do more special. Teams actually

1142
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: did punt, today like live, punt which was. INTERESTING i

1143
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: thought The patriots actually had a couple of good, returns

1144
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 3: and Then gibson had a nice kickoff. Return so they

1145
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: did a lot of live punt and live kickoff where

1146
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 3: they were like actually punting and kicking the ball at now.

1147
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: The kickoff involves the kickers like. That Jeremy springer told

1148
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: us last week that's a part of.

1149
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: It, yes, YEAH i would say though Yesterday borgalas handled

1150
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 3: all of the field goals and they did kick six

1151
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: field goals and he was five for six and they

1152
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: gave him multi, Borgals so.

1153
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: Take that for what it's. Worth that was, yeah that

1154
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: that's how that went.

1155
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: Yesterday and then today the special teams periods which they

1156
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: mixed in to give you, know the starters breathers in,

1157
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: between you, know eleven on eleven's they the special teams,

1158
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: periods we were punt and kickoff return instead of field.

1159
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: Goals so there you go real quick. Here before we

1160
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to the, Phones we're gonna go to the.

1161
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: EMAILS i see a bunch of guys lined up eight

1162
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: five to, Five pats five hundred or podcast At patriots dot.

1163
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Com we should touch on it because we haven't done

1164
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: a show since the. Game it feels like it was

1165
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: three weeks ago at this, point but they did play

1166
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: a preseason game since our last. Show just any big

1167
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: picture thoughts coming away from that game that you want

1168
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: to get out?

1169
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: There big picture thoughts do? You just starting with the.

1170
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: OFFENSE i think we all had the same takeaway from that,

1171
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: game which was that the pass offense with the starters wasn't.

1172
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: Great you, know it wasn't exactly what you were hoping to.

1173
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: SEE i, Thought Drake, may you, know we haven't really

1174
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: talked about the strip.

1175
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: Sack you.

1176
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: KNOW i Asked Ashton grant about the read on the strip.

1177
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: Sack he told me That Drake may's eyes were in

1178
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 3: the right. Place SO i Guess i'll Take Ashton grant

1179
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: as a coach on AN nfl, team So i'm going

1180
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: to take his word for. It but the WAY i

1181
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: saw it on the strip, sack AND i know everybody

1182
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: sort of makes, THAT i, guess you, know just everybody

1183
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: makes a lot out to do with the decision to

1184
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: try to throw the ball while he was getting dragged

1185
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: to the, ground which immediately was not a great, decision, Right,

1186
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: LIKE i totally get. That but the WAY i look

1187
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: at it is, like could he have avoided it all? Together, Right,

1188
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: like is there a way you, know feasibly That like

1189
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: we don't even get to that, point, Right. Yeah AND

1190
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: i just look at that play and the commanders like

1191
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: spin the coverage post snap, right they SHOW i want to,

1192
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 3: say they showed one high and then they drop out

1193
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: into too high coverage and he's got slant flat to his,

1194
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: Left Treyvon henderson running releasing into the, flat AND i

1195
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 3: think it Was Kishon boody on the. Slant you don't

1196
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 3: want to throw slant fat into cover. Too it's just

1197
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: not a Good it's not a good concept to throw

1198
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: against that coverage because the the squatting corner on the

1199
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: outside is going to pass the slant off to the

1200
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: inside hook and then he's gonna take the flat Right

1201
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: like they have two defenders on two receivers over, There

1202
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: so you. Don't it's not a great concept to work

1203
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: against too high coverage for that. REASON i, REMEMBER i

1204
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: think it Was games With names With, edelman Like Ernie

1205
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: adams went on a one time and they were talking

1206
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 3: about Facing Peyton, manning and he said that they used

1207
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: to run a lot of quarters Against Peyton manning because

1208
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: All Peyton manning wanted to do his throw slants to

1209
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: Like Dallas clark And stokely and those guys, right so

1210
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: they would play too high and they would take away

1211
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: those slant windows with those those inside. Zones And drake

1212
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: sees that, rotation and he holds the ball because he

1213
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: knows he can't throw the ball into the flat against

1214
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 3: the squatting corner because it's going to be a pick.

1215
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: Six and he can't throw the slant because there's a

1216
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: linebacker sitting right in the slant. Window so long when

1217
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: it answered to, say like the backside of the concept

1218
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: was a vertical clear out and Then Pop douglas probably

1219
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: on an, option had like a little stick or a

1220
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: little out, route which is a much better concept to

1221
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: work against that. Coverage SO i looked at it WHEN

1222
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 3: i watched the film and, said is it too much

1223
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 3: to ask for him to see that rotation in his

1224
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 3: drop and start working the other side of the, field.

1225
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: And maybe it is Like grant said that it was.

1226
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: Right he said that that wasn't the problem on the,

1227
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: play And i'll take his word for. It BUT i

1228
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: just knowing WHAT i know About josh mcdaniels's offense and

1229
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: how pre snap and the reads and like the coverage,

1230
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: indicator like all that stuff that McDaniels bakes into the,

1231
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: OFFENSE i just.

1232
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: Wonder if, YOU.

1233
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: I hate to Say, brady but LIKE i just wonder

1234
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 3: if like that was supposed to be the situation there

1235
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: and he got kind of frozen in time because they

1236
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: rotated the coverage and he wasn't he didn't get the

1237
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 3: look that he thought he was getting pre. Snap SO

1238
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: i look at that type of, stuff and you, KNOW

1239
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: i look at the pass protection obviously that in the

1240
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: same way as everybody. Else AND i look at the

1241
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: practice that we saw today with The vikings better. PRACTICE i,

1242
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: thought from a reads and mental standpoint From drake may

1243
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: than maybe that those fourteen preseason snaps. Were but in,

1244
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: general LIKE i still have concerns about receiver, separation pass,

1245
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: protection and overall passing game, execution like could they be

1246
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: good enough in that?

1247
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Area so you broke that down pretty. Well i'll just

1248
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: say My i'll give you a more niche takeaway from the,

1249
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: game and like that play whatever it is can't, happen

1250
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: whether it's those guys getting, beat whether it's It's Cambellen

1251
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: wilson getting beat on the. Twist may like even if

1252
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: he can't go, backside still taking the sack instead of

1253
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: trying to throw the ball away right or, right something like.

1254
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: That my other sneaky big. TAKEAWAY i mean some of

1255
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: The Trayvon henderson looked, great, right that's one of. Them

1256
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: Kott williams looked really. Good we kind of talked about.

1257
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: That Kiris, TONGA i want to ask you about What

1258
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: Chairo's tonga did actually In, minnesota because, he you, know

1259
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: pound for pound compared to what the expectations were coming

1260
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: in As Kiros tonga had the best camp of anybody

1261
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: on The.

1262
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: Patriots he's up.

1263
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: There his ability to to Look he's Not Aaron, donald

1264
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 1: but his ability to be a factor on the pass

1265
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: rush is important because of concerns about their ability to

1266
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: stop the. Run he's a primary run, player but when

1267
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: you get into tweet er downs second and, five third and, Two,

1268
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: right can he still be out there or not be

1269
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: a liability if they throw the. Ball and he's looked

1270
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: far from, that far from any potential liability in those

1271
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: situations so far in. Camp SO i thought that carried

1272
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: over to the. Game i'm actually really excited About.

1273
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: Kyrostanga, yeah, no that's a fair thing to be excited.

1274
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: ABOUT i think what's taken me just really by. SURPRISE

1275
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: i actually asked him about. IT i think earlier this

1276
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: week or last. Week all these days are bunning. Together

1277
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: his pass rush has just been really, Good like it's

1278
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: been much, better much more effective bull. Rusher he's not

1279
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 3: gonna win a lot with like fancy moves and stuff like.

1280
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: That he's a comrade at you kind of, guy but you,

1281
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: know the bull rush has been much more. Impactful and

1282
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: we know on first, down like if you can push

1283
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: that pocket and you can debt the interior of the

1284
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: pocket and not give the quarterback that room to step

1285
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: up into the, pocket like that's. Big that can be really.

1286
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: Impactful even if he's not technically like you, know glogging

1287
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: quarterback hits or sacks or whatever the case may. Be

1288
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: if he's just in the quarterback's lap a lot like

1289
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: that can be really. Impactful and he talked a little

1290
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: bit about sort of his maturation as a pass rusher

1291
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: and how he's, improved and like he would, said he

1292
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 3: was so focused on he knew he was a big,

1293
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: dude so he just wanted to go plow straight through

1294
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: guy right the bull, rush and so he would just

1295
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: try to go right at the center of the block

1296
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: or like right in the middle of his chest and

1297
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: just push him. Back and then he's, realized, like, oh

1298
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: IF i actually get on his edge first AND i

1299
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: get kind of outside of him first and then bull

1300
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: rush and transition into speed to, power Like i'm he

1301
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: can't anchor as well as IF i just go try

1302
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: to go right through. Him so it was like one

1303
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: of those things that he kind of said that he

1304
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: had like epiphany talking to. SOMEBODY i don't he didn't

1305
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: necessarily specify, who but he said that he's been like

1306
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: picking people's brains about pass rush and like somebody said to, Him,

1307
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: hey like stop trying to go right through three hundred

1308
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: and fifteen pound three hundred and twenty pound offensive lineman

1309
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 3: and try to get out on the guy's. Edge a

1310
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: little bit first and then try to go through him

1311
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: and all of a, sudden like he comes into camp

1312
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: and he looks like a pretty good pass.

1313
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: Rusher so, YEAH i don't know what he said, it

1314
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: he admitted. It he was, LIKE i don't know what

1315
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: took so long for me to figure that, out but you,

1316
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: know You're.

1317
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm just glad he figured it. Out anything else from

1318
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: the game, AGAIN i, know like we usually break the games, down,

1319
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: Right it was just there's been so much since, THAT

1320
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: i don't know how much people like and we've both

1321
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: broken it down. ELSEWHERE i don't know if you have

1322
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: anything else you wanted to get.

1323
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: To, no not so, much BUT i like just in

1324
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: general from you, know coming off these joint, practices BECAUSE

1325
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: i think the question For saturday is like how much

1326
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: are the starters going to?

1327
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: Play, yeah In saturday's.

1328
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: Game and the difference is is that last week they

1329
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 3: only had the one joint, practice so sad the preseason

1330
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: opener was kind of like a joint, practice you, know

1331
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: glorified joint. Practice but at the same, TIME i just

1332
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: come off the field today and got to, think, like

1333
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: they don't want to Leave minnesota with this like sort

1334
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: of being the taste in the mouth of the, starters,

1335
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: right was the way that today went because they had

1336
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: such a better day yesterday and it was kind, of you,

1337
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: know one of those things like you said at the

1338
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: beginning of the, show where it was a tale two.

1339
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: Days SO i have to think That rabel's going to

1340
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: watch some of this tape from the practice today and,

1341
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 3: say we got stuff to work.

1342
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: On you, know we have a lot to work.

1343
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: On and next week it's going to be the last

1344
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: couple of days The patriots On patriots training camp FOR

1345
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 3: us and then The giants preseason game and then that's.

1346
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: It It's, vegas.

1347
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: Right SO i do wonder if they sorted to have

1348
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: the same split as last, week where it's a driver

1349
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: to you, know if a first, drive If drake may

1350
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: marches them right down the field on the opening drive

1351
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 3: of the, game then you pull the starters if it

1352
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: goes like it did last, week and then you give

1353
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: them a second. Series BUT i do think there might

1354
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: be some value in having some of those guys play

1355
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: On saturday after or the way that today.

1356
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: Went what's the biggest thing you're looking for On?

1357
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: SATURDAY i was that's a.

1358
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 3: Good, question BECAUSE i don't know what like the plan

1359
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: is For minnesota to like with their, starters if anybody's gonna,

1360
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 3: play and all that kind of. Stuff BUT i would,

1361
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 3: say like receiver. SEPARATION i was SO i came out

1362
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: out of yesterday's practice being so optimistic about how open

1363
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 3: some of the guys got down the field For Drake,

1364
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 3: may and THEN i just didn't really see that out

1365
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: there today and that was kind of a. Bummer so

1366
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 3: like if they, today you, know yesterday they had guys,

1367
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: open and then On saturday they can get guys open

1368
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: for a couple of. Drives like maybe today was just

1369
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: a you, Know minnesota is a good, team, right and

1370
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 3: they had a better. Day but that was the biggest

1371
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 3: THING i would say THAT i would look, for, is you,

1372
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: Know Ken drake may find some completions down the field

1373
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: like he did in practice.

1374
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Yeah i'm Gonna i'm just gonna, say however much

1375
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: the starters do, play that continuation Of, May wilson And

1376
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: campbell picking up some of the more complex stuff The

1377
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: vikings defense does up. Front, now who knows how much

1378
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna play If wilson plays at, all you, know

1379
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: that's a question as. Well but that's kind of the

1380
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: big question for me going in.

1381
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: Too.

1382
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: Saturday all, Right i'm sure we'll get to more game

1383
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: previews with these. Questions we've got a whole bunch of emails,

1384
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: too but we'll start with. It DID i have to do?

1385
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: Reads by the, way nobody gave me, READS i have

1386
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: to do.

1387
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 5: Reads.

1388
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah if you want to run in the, READS

1389
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: i can do the recess we're usually doing when we

1390
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 1: do the. Transition but we'll take one phone call. First

1391
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: we'll get to. That patty and a go, on get a, Started, Patty,

1392
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: patty it's, up.

1393
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 2: Got.

1394
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: PATTY i will Put patty on. Hold, patty get back

1395
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: to your, phone and we'll try you. Again how About

1396
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: nate And? Connecticut, Nate, hey.

1397
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 4: Guys all you guys Doing hey. Good so my question

1398
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 4: for you guys is about Them. Chisholm, obviously he had

1399
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 4: a really good preseason debut last, game and all the,

1400
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 4: players Including Josh, Dobbs Mike, rabol they've been pretty they've

1401
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 4: been praising him for how well he's. Done do you

1402
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 4: think he is a? LOCK i personally think he. Is you,

1403
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: know just to see his name on the fifty three

1404
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 4: cut lists would be a really big. Disappointment He he's

1405
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 4: shown some really big flashes and proved. POTENTIAL i just

1406
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 4: don't see us cutting. HIM i, REALLY i really think

1407
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: we're gonna keep, him AND i really think he's gonna

1408
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 4: do well in the.

1409
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 1: League thanks, Guys Evan chishom roster.

1410
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: Luck i'm not ready to say that.

1411
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 3: YET i think That, Diggs, Douglas Holland's, Booty Kyle williams

1412
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: are all going to be, here and that that's five

1413
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: guys THAT i just listed that are all going to be.

1414
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: Here and until we have a better feel for how

1415
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 3: many receivers and like how what their you, know minimums

1416
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: are at each position Under, rabel it's kind of hard

1417
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: to say that he's a lock because are they do?

1418
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: They most teams are probably okay with keeping six if

1419
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: it's that they're six worth. Keeping but if we're really

1420
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: talking about, seven like that's that's an abnormal. Number, yeah

1421
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: so we have to BE i don't know about, lock

1422
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: but he's certainly playing his way onto the.

1423
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: Team he's on pace to be on the. Team LIKE

1424
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: i think if he has a rough, game rough week next,

1425
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: week maybe you start talking about practically, again we need

1426
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: a term for whatever one step below A locke is

1427
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: because he's, LIKE i think he's going to be on the,

1428
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: team BUT i don't think He's i'm not writing it

1429
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: in sharpie. Yet LIKE i think ULTIMATELY i think he makes.

1430
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: Team it's not me saying he's not gonna make a. Team,

1431
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: ULTIMATELY i think he's going to make the. Team BUT

1432
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: i do think, again he's not running with the ones as.

1433
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: MUCH i do think, they you, know maybe want to

1434
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: see a little more before they get. There AM i?

1435
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: Reading all these are just highlighted One she had done

1436
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: this for the, show highlighted one of. Them pick. Too all,

1437
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Speaker 1: of The New England. Patriots and we're gonna get a

1448
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 1: bunch of comments again That i'm better at the reads

1449
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: than you.

1450
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: See, yeah well, yeah it's because you're a radio.

1451
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: Guy we'll get to these other. Ones let's grab the.

1452
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: Phones david New, Hampshire, David.

1453
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 6: Hey, guys that's Going hey. Good first of, all it's

1454
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 6: been a. While well then listen all the time, though

1455
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 6: but you as a you, know AS i said last,

1456
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 6: time which was like years, ago though that you, KNOW

1457
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 6: i was asked about Khon booty as a part of

1458
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 6: the you Know booty that band. Is that Was i'm.

1459
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 6: GLAD i had been happy to see you know him

1460
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 6: really perform well so.

1461
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: Far but my.

1462
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 6: Question For evan would, be you, know there's been a

1463
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 6: lot OF i would mixed reporting on the day. Today you,

1464
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 6: know some people saying. HORRENDOUS i just was listening to.

1465
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 6: You it doesn't really sound like it was necessarily. Horrendous

1466
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 6: my take there was from it was that The vikings

1467
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 6: are you, know A Super bowl contending team potentially at

1468
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 6: the very, least and if they do it'll be because

1469
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 6: they were carried by their defense and their skilled, players

1470
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 6: Although Justin jefferson obviously wasn't playing. Today so the fact

1471
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 6: that The, patriots who we hope him be a playoff,

1472
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 6: team you, know bubble, team didn't you, know beat The

1473
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 6: vikings both, days isn't the biggest skill to. Me, always

1474
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 6: thank you.

1475
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: Guys Thanks.

1476
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: David just to be clear, again we were talking about

1477
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: the two days as a whole, collectively so that's why

1478
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: maybe some of it sounded a little more positive than

1479
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: the reporting because we only did the show once a,

1480
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: week so we wanted to kind of combine. Everything But

1481
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: evan about today, AGAIN i THINK i asked you the

1482
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: top of the, show but just to be, clear like

1483
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: your your assessment of today, Specifically.

1484
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 2: YEAH i THINK.

1485
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to like get too exaggerated and be, like,

1486
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: oh it's you, know it was a, disaster it was

1487
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: a train, wreck you, know and use those types of,

1488
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: words BECAUSE i don't think it was quite.

1489
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: That like we we've seen disaster when.

1490
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: The Philadelphia eagles were At Gilied stadium last, year, right

1491
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 3: you wouldn't put it in.

1492
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: The same conversation as That eagles.

1493
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 3: Practice, No AND i was actually talking to somebody about

1494
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 3: this after, practice because The eagles practice last year was

1495
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 3: not just the fact that The eagles roster was just

1496
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 3: better across the board than The. Patriots The patriots looked

1497
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 3: like a disorganized. Team it was it was non. Competitive,

1498
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: Yeah like they literally weren't lining up, correctly they were

1499
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: false starting left and. Right there was million penalties all

1500
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 3: over the. Field like they literally could not line, up

1501
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 3: snap the ball and get a playoff against The eagles last.

1502
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: Year that was not.

1503
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: This this was two teams that are are buttoned up

1504
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 3: in well, coached but just one team had the advantage

1505
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: over the other. Team so maybe that's, why like my

1506
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: opinion of it is not quite as like doom and

1507
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 3: gloom as some of the other reporting. Is there's no

1508
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 3: doubt about it That minnesota won the, day like that's a.

1509
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: Decision it was a Decisive vikings, Win like there's no

1510
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: doubt about. That but in order to like really be,

1511
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: realistically because let's face it, out it's LIKE i think

1512
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 3: that we're all really excited About rabel and we're all

1513
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: really excited about where this team is, headed But rome

1514
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 3: wasn't built in a, Day like they're not going to

1515
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: be able to This vikings team won fourteen games last,

1516
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 3: year and they're they're not going to all of a

1517
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 3: sudden flip a switch where they go from being a

1518
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: four win football team to dominating a fourteen win team

1519
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 3: back to back days and joint. Practices it's it's not,

1520
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 3: linear like it's not going to be perfect every single,

1521
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: day AND i think that's sort of what we saw to.

1522
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: Do so to kind of to the caller's, point, right like,

1523
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: that that's that's sort of WHAT i was. Expecting LIKE

1524
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 3: i did not expect to come here To minnesota and

1525
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 3: have The patriots win both days of. Practice not THAT

1526
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 3: i love the wind practice, thing but, Whatever like it's

1527
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 3: what we.

1528
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: Do SO i wasn't expecting that.

1529
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: TODAY i considered between yesterday and, today did they do better?

1530
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: Worse the same as your expectations coming.

1531
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: IN i, said they met my.

1532
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 3: EXPECTATIONS i think yesterday was definitely better than WHAT i was. Expecting,

1533
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: OFFENSIVELY i thought today was sort of WHAT i was

1534
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: afraid of was going to happen over the course of

1535
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: the two, days where it was Like drake may was,

1536
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: fine but they couldn't pass protect and they couldn't get

1537
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 3: anybody open, right and that was sort of what my expectation,

1538
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: was and so that was what today. Was but over

1539
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: the course of the two, DAYS i would say they

1540
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 3: met them because they were able to have a nice Day.

1541
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i still go back to and it goes back

1542
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: to the commander's, practice like AND i wasn't, There so

1543
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 1: this is just me going off reading, which by the,

1544
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: way like not being there and reading everything On twitter

1545
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: makes me realize how hard it is to cover these

1546
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: and LIKE i want to do my best, now not

1547
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: that you guys aren't doing the best you, can but

1548
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: LIKE i know how hard it, is and like being

1549
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: on the other side of, it making sure LIKE i

1550
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: give as many details When i'm down. There it's EVERYTHING

1551
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: i see about. Today as bad as it, was it

1552
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: doesn't sound Like Drake may was. Bad you, know there

1553
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: were limited. Opportunities but AND i go back to the commander's.

1554
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: Practice AND i said this earlier in the, podcast BUT

1555
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: i thought the commander's practice as good as it, WAS

1556
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: i think if you went back on tape and look through,

1557
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: it there'd probably be more to. Nitpick BUT i Think

1558
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: drake may elevated the situation at. Times and if the

1559
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: blocking wasn't perfect or receivers weren't perfectly. Open he still

1560
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: found ways to make it. Work and it sounds like

1561
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: he maybe did some of that today even when it

1562
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: wasn't great around, Him and that's the most encouraging thing

1563
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: to me because he's gonna need to be able to

1564
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: do that at. Times like we've talked to, out this

1565
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: is not the finished. Roster this is Not Mike rabel's. Vision,

1566
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: ultimately they're on the way to, it, certainly and they

1567
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: made significant, strides but it was never going to get

1568
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: fixed in one. Offseason that was just never. Realistic they've

1569
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: so far exceeded the roster TURNOVER i was expecting because

1570
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: in one, year like you were overturned fifty percent of

1571
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: your roster in one, season that's a. Lot that's an uncharacteristic,

1572
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: amount and they might end up over fifty by the

1573
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: time we get to week one from week eighteen last.

1574
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: Year so, like it's encouraging to. Me as rough as today,

1575
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: was or it was as rough as it sounds. Like,

1576
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: yea AND i didn't see it that you, know there's

1577
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: still that, caveat But drake may you know what he

1578
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: made of it was good and part of. THAT i

1579
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 1: think part of that is his. Confidence confidence it's important

1580
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,840
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1581
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: on your, car, truck, suv or. Minivan you're riding on

1582
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: tires you can Trust bridgestone tires or engineered to give

1583
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: you peace of mind so you can focus on enjoying the.

1584
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: Journey so whether you're on your morning, commute across country road,

1585
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: trip or a Relaxing sunday, Drive Bridgestone hires will be

1586
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,000
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1587
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,599
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1588
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,759
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1589
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1591
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: we can Get patty. Again patty you there this?

1592
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 4: Time i'm here this?

1593
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: Time all, right.

1594
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 2: Guys, Hey.

1595
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 5: So just a couple things and Then, ALEX i got a.

1596
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 5: GRIEVANCE i gotta air out with, you, Buddy, OKAY i.

1597
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 5: Love the first thing IS i was at that fifty

1598
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 5: nine to nothing. Game it was. AWESOME i left it

1599
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 5: halftime because the forecast predicted, rain SO i Bought parkas

1600
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 5: with my best, buddy and our arms were frozen from

1601
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 5: the elbows up by the time halftime rolled. Around the

1602
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 5: second thing Is i'll give you my Favorite patriots. Memory,

1603
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 5: yeah and it was a GAME i was. At it

1604
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 5: was nineteen ninety, six The Hail Mary jacksonville, game not

1605
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: THE afc championship game that, year but The Hail mary

1606
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 5: game was that military's first ever game winning field, goal

1607
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 5: AND i was. THERE i was sitting in the end

1608
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 5: zone where he kicked, it and it was you, know

1609
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 5: it was pretty cool. Experience, So mike grievance with, you

1610
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 5: and this is off, topic maybe maybe not too off,

1611
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 5: topic but remember talking About Stefan diggs coming off THE

1612
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,839
Speaker 5: acl and you rattled off a couple of different players

1613
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 5: that came off came OFF acls and had great, seasons

1614
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 5: and nobody's gonna top ap season one in THE mvp

1615
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 5: and rushing for two thousand. Yards BUT i can't BELIEVE

1616
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 5: i listened To Phil. Perry i'll listened to you and

1617
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 5: a couple other. Guys nobody brought up twenty FOURTEEN bronc

1618
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 5: because he Got he tore THE ceo In december at

1619
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen and came. Back dicky played fifteen games but

1620
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 5: still threw up like eleven hundred yards and twelve touchdowns

1621
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 5: and was a first Team All. Pro and that's. It you,

1622
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 5: know it was a little even You, evan come, on,

1623
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 5: man you're you're both of you. Guys you, guys that's

1624
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 5: your that's your. Wheelhouse. Man i'm surprised neither of you

1625
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 5: threw that name out. There but that's it a little

1626
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 5: light hearted. Grieving but you guys are the. Best i'll

1627
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 5: talk to you next.

1628
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: Week thanks for the, Call. PATTY i remember that as

1629
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: an ankle. INJURY i think was that the off season

1630
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: that where was that the playoffs where he hurt his?

1631
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: ANKLE i just. Played it's an ankle In.

1632
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: The ankle injury was twenty. Eleven like he had ankle

1633
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 2: in The Super.

1634
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: Bowl that was one of The pollard. Moments, yeah, YEAH

1635
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: i don't. KNOW i remember that as an ankle, injury but,

1636
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: no that was AN acl and he came back that

1637
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: year twenty, fourteen and he caught eighty two, passes eleven hundred,

1638
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: yards twelve. Touchdowns it's pretty. Good three touchdowns in the playoffs,

1639
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: too and he's awesome in That Super bowl, obviously so

1640
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: good call. Out that's Spare. Patty let's get some of

1641
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: these Emails jeffrey subject line or jeff And canada's subject.

1642
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: Line concerned for May, oh this is from, yesterday because

1643
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: that says earlier in the, Show paul Said paul's nine.

1644
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: Here So i'm not going to make you answer For.

1645
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: Paul this is connor From Saint. Paul why you should

1646
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: care ABOUT i think these are all From we.

1647
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 2: Can give you some new. Ones CAN i say a?

1648
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: Practice, yeah go, ahead and THEN i THINK i see

1649
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: where catch twenty two.

1650
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 3: Starts, Okay so one more thing about today THAT i

1651
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: think is important to.

1652
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: Mention we talked about it very very.

1653
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: Briefly there's been some like rumblings right about about the

1654
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: backup quarterback spot In Joshua, dobbs AND i know that

1655
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 3: people saw a rough preseason game from, him and then

1656
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 3: yesterday was a rough, Practice and, honestly LIKE i feel

1657
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 3: comfortable saying it was a bad practice Because abel just

1658
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: came out in his press conference and just said it

1659
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 3: how it was About Joshua dobbs yesterday with some of

1660
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: the interceptions that they were he was throwing The today

1661
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 3: was significantly better.

1662
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 2: Day From Joshua.

1663
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 3: Dobbs, like If Drake may had the day That Josh

1664
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 3: dobbs had, today we would be. Flying we would be

1665
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: flying maybe, right we'd have two days in a, Row Drake,

1666
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 3: may you, know really showing well against The vikings, defense we.

1667
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: Would be really. Thrilled so good bounce back day From Joshua.

1668
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 3: Dobbs obviously After chisholm was like a big part of,

1669
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 3: that you know in the, Mix Kyle williams in the,

1670
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: Mix Javon baker in the, Mix Jack westover to end

1671
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 3: practice up the seam in the.

1672
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 2: Mix so it was a much much better.

1673
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 3: Day kind of put some water on that, concern, right

1674
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: a backup, quarterback SO i KNOW i should mention to

1675
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 3: No Ben woolridge for two, Days So Ben.

1676
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: Woolridge so that doesn't sound like that's not a. Competition

1677
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: No Ben woolridge.

1678
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 3: Is And rabel said this, morning you, Know Josh dobbs

1679
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 3: is the backup, quarterback you, know is everything is always

1680
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 3: subject to change with My, vrabel there is always that.

1681
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 3: Caveat but But Josh dobbs is the backup quarterback and

1682
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: that seems to, be, uh that seems to be pretty

1683
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 3: pretty set in.

1684
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: Stone alexander emails In catch twenty two, Questions i'm sure

1685
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: evanist mourning the loss of Brock lampy since but since

1686
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: you guys are a, draft shall storing a name is

1687
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: a possible replacement for next? Year Max bretison fallback From.

1688
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: Michigan Max brettison is very good. Fullback let's see If

1689
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: Jack westover can do it like he's got the profile for.

1690
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: It AND i asked him what makes a good? Fallback

1691
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: first thing he said was. Fearlessness so that's a box

1692
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: checked because we'll, to you, know throw his body in

1693
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: there and getting away met a linebacker in THE a.

1694
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: Gap so let's let's give West over. Chance two more

1695
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: questions he asked for, You, evan have you noticed if

1696
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: McDaniel's and the offensive stuff and the offensive staff have

1697
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: done anything With drake's? Mechanics and is there's a pop?

1698
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: Up and Is jay Von baker this Year's Taekwon? Thornton

1699
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: where is what he's showing in practice going to translate.

1700
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 2: Two questions With drake's. MECHANICS i haven't seen anything. Different

1701
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 2: AND i thought one of the things THAT i liked about.

1702
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 3: The last two days From drake may where it was

1703
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 3: his poise in like his, feet we're not getting he

1704
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: wasn't getting skittish in the, pocket, Right, like he wasn't

1705
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: having those moments of skittishness in the pocket or happy

1706
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 3: feed or anything like.

1707
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: That with the.

1708
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: PRESSURE i, Thought now he's wear the red, jersey so

1709
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 3: you know he's not gonna hit get to get. Hit

1710
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: but STILL i think that was good to. See and

1711
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: his mechanics look pretty much the. Same like the one

1712
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: thing with his mechanics THAT i was always, wondering footwork

1713
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 3: is not really, mechanics. Right footwork is. Footwork throwing mechanics

1714
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 3: is a different. Thing and the one thing THAT i

1715
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 3: was kind of wondering With drake may, is you know

1716
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 3: what they start to work on tightening his throwing, motion

1717
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,919
Speaker 3: because the longer that your throwing motion.

1718
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: Is and the longer that you bring your arm back than.

1719
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 3: Your throwing, motion there's more room for error in terms

1720
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 3: of controlling the football and throwing the ball.

1721
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 2: Accurately and SO.

1722
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: I was wondering if maybe they would try to get

1723
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 3: him to be a little bit quicker and more. Compact

1724
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: BUT i haven't necessarily noticed, that and you, know the

1725
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 3: staff last year kind of thought that was. Overblown is

1726
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 3: a conversation Around drake made during the draft process that

1727
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: they didn't really see eye to eye. With so maybe

1728
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: that's just sort of like a media driven narrative thing

1729
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 3: with his throwing.

1730
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: Motion Javon, baker the real dealer is His.

1731
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: Taekwon So Javon baker more noticeable today in an actual,

1732
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: team you, know an actual eleven on eleven's working With.

1733
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 3: Dobbs but like to, me the push For Javon baker

1734
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 3: has been on special. Teams, yeah like him adding special

1735
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 3: teams into his repertoire is why we're talking about this right.

1736
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 3: Now less so the plays that he's making on the

1737
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: practice field on. Offense so that's different From. Taekwon like

1738
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 3: they Tried taekwon at one hundred and eighty five pounds

1739
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 3: soaking wet.

1740
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 2: Day they Tried taekwon.

1741
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 3: On some special teams things on you, know gunner and

1742
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: all that kind of, stuff and it never really stuck

1743
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 3: because he just didn't have the playstrain for. It So Javon,

1744
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,520
Speaker 3: baker you, know as he tries to work on consistency

1745
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 3: and rounding out his game as a receiver if he's

1746
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 3: going to make the team as a primary special. Teamer

1747
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 3: like that's a different that's a different path to, Me

1748
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 3: like it's a different conversation Than.

1749
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: TAEKWON i agree with you on. That so this email

1750
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,799
Speaker 1: From john Starts Hey Alex hey Bart So Alex barte

1751
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: is one, Person Evan lazar is the. Other just be.

1752
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: Clear could you go into detail on How Will campbell

1753
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: is losing his. REPS i was under the impression his

1754
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: anchor was his best, Trait but to my, eyes he's

1755
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: being pushed back pretty handily on a lot of Reps i've.

1756
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: SEEN i would just, say like getting pushed back and

1757
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: anchor a different anchor is when you get pushed, back

1758
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: can you catch? Yourself and Maybe i'm wrong, There, evan but,

1759
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: yeah that's HOW i think of, it AND i do

1760
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: like when he does get pushed, back he's been much

1761
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: better about. It he wasn't as good at the beginning of.

1762
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,799
Speaker 1: Camp he's been much better Than when he does get pushed,

1763
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: back he catches himself before it gets too.

1764
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 5: Far.

1765
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: YEAH i, actually you, know in the game against The,

1766
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 3: COMMANDERS i thought there were one or two reps where

1767
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 3: he lost you, know first contact and some guys got

1768
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 3: into his chest and were able to get some arm

1769
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 3: extension on, him which is something that with the lank

1770
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 3: stuff is you, know something THAT i just watched closely for,

1771
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 3: right like how often do guys get into his? CHEST

1772
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: i don't THINK i see it the same way. Though in,

1773
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: GENERAL i think the losses that he's had are on his, edges,

1774
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: right like either getting blown by on the outside or

1775
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: those inside moves that we talk so much about With Will.

1776
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 3: Campbell today With, GRENARD i thought it was mostly the,

1777
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: outside you. KNOW i wonder like sometimes And i'd have

1778
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 3: to be able to see the, film but like when

1779
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 3: he has somebody in THE b gap next to him

1780
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 3: in the three, Tech, yeah it seems to me like

1781
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 3: he looks to kind of like help inside maybe or

1782
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: is worried about like a pressure coming, right like a

1783
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 3: blitz that he's gonna have to block down, to and

1784
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 3: so like he's a little BIT i do want to say,

1785
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 3: slow but just like he's a little hesitant out of his,

1786
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 3: set right because he's like sort of like cheating a

1787
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 3: little bit to the inside to like help to the three.

1788
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 3: Tech and then maybe like because if a linebacker comes

1789
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: down and, blitzes then he's gonna have to bump over

1790
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: and take the blitzer and take the nearest threat to the,

1791
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 3: quarterback and sometimes like when that, happens like he goes

1792
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: and then set out and like the guy that's rushing

1793
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 3: off his edge has already won the first three steps,

1794
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 3: Right like he's already buy.

1795
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 2: Him so there's that sort of.

1796
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 3: Thing SO i think that, maybe you, know mental processing

1797
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: and stuff like, That but TODAY i would say that

1798
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: was Grid heard mostly got him on his outside, edge

1799
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: and it was more Like campbell just was a little

1800
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 3: bit slow to the punch on the. Outside and if

1801
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 3: you want to be doomsday with, it like if you

1802
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: want to bring up the, length you, know that was

1803
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 3: something that people that had concerns About campbell's sticking at

1804
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 3: tackle was that was he going to be able to

1805
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,879
Speaker 3: reach out to those edge rushers without compromising his, leverage

1806
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 3: and that then we get into the whole thing of

1807
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 3: him giving up the inside and all that. Stuff so

1808
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 3: there was one pressure yesterday Where gernard beat him inside

1809
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 3: and were able actually brought that up in his press,

1810
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 3: conference and then there was a couple today WHERE i

1811
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 3: thought was more to the. Outside the pass protection is

1812
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: still work like a work in, progress like it just.

1813
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: Is it's still work in.

1814
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 3: PROGRESS i don't know If i'm not at the point

1815
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 3: yet WHERE i think that this is like A Will

1816
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: campbell can't play tackle in the, league but it's something

1817
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 3: that is going to have to maybe be. Managed like

1818
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 3: we talked about this outs in the, draft like, yeah

1819
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 3: chips and like helping him over on that side until

1820
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 3: he sort of figures it out like that that's in,

1821
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 3: Play like if you're gonna expect him AND i Know

1822
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 3: Max crosby typically rushes over the right tackle for the most,

1823
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 3: part But Max Crosby week.

1824
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 2: One let's say The raiders say we're.

1825
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: Gonna attack the rookies and we're gonna Put Max crosby

1826
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 3: over the left. Side if you're gonna Expect Will campbell

1827
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 3: at twenty twenty five times in week one to pass

1828
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 3: but Protect Max crosby one on one on an, island

1829
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: AND i think you're setting him up to. FAIL i

1830
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 3: don't think he's he's ready for that quite. Yet so

1831
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to get maybe some creative things about.

1832
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 3: It and in like the one other THING i would

1833
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 3: say About Will Will campbell is actually talking TO, uh

1834
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 3: to our good FRIEND Uh glenn and there AT Nbc

1835
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 3: Sports boston about this and uh or ACTUALLY i think

1836
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 3: it Was.

1837
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 2: Moose i'm, SORRY i get those two guys.

1838
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 3: CONFUSED i hesitate to say this BECAUSE i don't want

1839
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: to be taken the wrong, Way but, LIKE i don't

1840
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 3: think The patriots are going to be in a position

1841
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 3: With Will campbell where they're saying we need to go

1842
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: draft or trade or acquire a left tackle because he

1843
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: can't play the, position like just flat out like he

1844
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 3: can't do it. Right and so next year we're in

1845
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 3: the draft or we're in free agency and like they

1846
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 3: have to pay a tackle because they just Have there's

1847
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,759
Speaker 3: there's no you, know wiggle room. There that being, said

1848
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 3: if like a year from now or two years from,

1849
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 3: now they're in the draft and like A Tristan wharf's

1850
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 3: like falls into their lap right in the draft and

1851
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 3: they're able to draft a left tackle that has prototypical

1852
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,879
Speaker 3: traits of a left tackle and that Moves Will campbell

1853
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 3: inside or Moves Will campbell to the right, side or

1854
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 3: like whatever the case may. BE i don't think that

1855
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 3: that's like the worst possible outcome that could happen from

1856
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 3: that draft. Pick And i'm not saying that that has to.

1857
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 3: Happen i'm just, saying, like that's the way the scenario

1858
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 3: THAT i, See, LIKE i hear a lot of people

1859
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 3: that just think that he's automatically going to have to move.

1860
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 3: INSIDE i don't think that they're going to be so

1861
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 3: desperate to move him inside that it's.

1862
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: AUTOMATIC i don't think that.

1863
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: If we get to the draft next year and there's

1864
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: a good chance that the best player on the board

1865
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: is a left, tackle like clearly the best player on

1866
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: the board's. Conversation it's a conversation like and as it.

1867
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: Should and maybe we have the conversation we decide no

1868
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: trade out or no draft this guy or. Whatever but,

1869
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: LIKE i get what you're. Saying speaking of the, Draft

1870
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: mike In pennsylvania asks how we feel about the linebacker,

1871
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 1: depth that there's any players in the pipeline that look

1872
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: promising for the. Future SO i started kind of really digging.

1873
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: In this week's some some back here And i'm not a.

1874
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: PRACTICE i got three and aamc you really? TWO i

1875
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of people know Who Harold perkins is

1876
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: at this. Point he was supposed to be a top ten,

1877
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: pick got, hurt kind of had a down year when

1878
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: he came. Back he's AT. Lsu his teammate Wit. WEEKS

1879
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: i don't know if you actually watched WHAT i sent

1880
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 1: You evan on Wit, Weeks did you actually watch it

1881
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: a little?

1882
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 2: Bit that's That's, robert.

1883
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: That's robert's, Flint, like, no you don't think?

1884
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 2: So? OKAY i THINK i think he looks a little

1885
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 2: bit more athletic Than.

1886
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Robert he's a verable, linebacker like he is a he

1887
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: is a fit in this. System he's also if you

1888
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: watch The NETFLIX sec, DOCUMENTARY i think he's got like

1889
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: the between the ears part of it set sure and

1890
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: then the other like who is a true. JUNIOR i

1891
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll come out or. Not Kyle lewis From.

1892
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Pitt do you Remember Servasier dennis a couple of years

1893
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: ago was another pit linebackers on The. Bucks, now, yeah

1894
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: the name sounds. Familiar so he's in The Servassier dennis

1895
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: role in the pit. Defense BUT i think he's. Better

1896
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: and he's like six something on the big board right.

1897
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Now that's gonna go way.

1898
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 5: Up but.

1899
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Might sneaky be a good linebacker class next? Year so,

1900
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: uh we've Got i'm gonna go through these a little

1901
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: quicker here BECAUSE i want to get to these calls.

1902
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: Too nick In boston love listening you. Guys catch twenty

1903
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: two definitely is the Best patriots. Discussions, however you guys

1904
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: are gonna look back on Your Will campbell takes over

1905
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: the summer with. Regret it turns out a guy who's

1906
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: three thirty runs a four nine with no dimensional. Limitations

1907
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: an excellent college tape would have been a good. Pick

1908
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: Armond membu lock down The Pro bowl Or Kenny clark

1909
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: won on one in their first preseason game and is

1910
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: having a great, camp but you guys don't want him

1911
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: since he's a right. Tackle where's he? Playing he's playing right? Tackle? Right?

1912
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah forshan who's playing?

1913
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 3: Last AND i don't really Understand Kenny clark's the defensive.

1914
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Tackle so, YEAH i think you may have missed something.

1915
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: There SO i, MEAN i, mean.

1916
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a Dad Jilliams, rashang you, know another

1917
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 3: one of. Theirs He's Kenny clark's a, packer, right, yeah

1918
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 3: like my brain.

1919
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: Is so he mentions, today you, know Beating Will. CAMPBELL

1920
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: i don't know that we're going off of one.

1921
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: Practice, YEAH i, mean, LOOK i said my piece About

1922
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 3: Will Campbell i'm not trying to hide or like shy

1923
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 3: away from the fact that it hasn't always been great.

1924
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 3: NOW I i think it was commendable Of clavon Chase

1925
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 3: on to come out and really defend him, yesterday which he.

1926
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: Did AND i you, KNOW i know it's a teammate

1927
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 3: and like that might not mean anything to, you But

1928
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 3: Clavon chaison basically, SAID i think you guys are all

1929
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 3: being way too, harsh you, Know LIKE i think that

1930
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: he's been way better than what WHAT i keep reading

1931
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 3: and seeing out. There not that he's like necessarily reading,

1932
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 3: us but they pay, attention they see certain, things and,

1933
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 3: uh AND i think that he he kind of came

1934
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 3: To Will campbell's defense And Jonathan GERNARD i think was

1935
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 3: asked about him today after. Practice he spoke with reporters

1936
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:12,879
Speaker 3: post practice and he seemed generally. IMPRESSED i, mean obviously

1937
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 3: he's not gonna come out and, say, yeah you, KNOW

1938
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 3: i torch that. Guy he, stinks, right but he seemed

1939
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 3: pretty impressed With campbell as. Well there's no doubt about

1940
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 3: it that the pass protection stuff is something that we

1941
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 3: have to continue to watch With Will, campbell and it

1942
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 3: remains a question mark with. HIM i JUST i don't

1943
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 3: have the practice, film SO i can't really break it,

1944
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 3: down and there wasn't enough reps in the preseason game

1945
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 3: to really think about, it you, know really be able

1946
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,799
Speaker 3: to examine. IT i think he's one of those guys

1947
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 3: that needs to win with his feet in his, hands

1948
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 3: like that has to be the strength of his. Game are,

1949
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 3: quick you, know sudden punches with his. Hands you know

1950
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 3: that aren't down the middle of the, rusher but you,

1951
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 3: know more towards the peck outside peck with the left

1952
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 3: hand and firm punch and slide your feet right like

1953
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 3: that sort of got to Be Will. Campbell AND i

1954
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 3: think the concern with, it what we've seen is that

1955
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 3: that can be very hit or, miss because if you'd

1956
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 3: missed the punch and you're being aggressive like that and

1957
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 3: you missed the, punch then you're gonna have those, blowbys

1958
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 3: which is what you don't want to. See so for,

1959
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 3: him it's just going to be this balancing act of

1960
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: figuring out how to be consistent within that. Framework AND

1961
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 3: i think that that's been a challenge so far as

1962
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,560
Speaker 3: it is for probably a lot of.

1963
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: Rookies yeah and, again And nick, says keep up the great. Work,

1964
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: thanks we do appreciate. Listening don't mean to pick on

1965
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you like, this but just to be, clear the take

1966
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: at the time WAS i had my, concerns just LIKE

1967
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: i had my concerns About Will, campbell AND i had said,

1968
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: this pick your, poison the guy who maybe doesn't have

1969
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: the ideal physical, building the guy who's never played the position.

1970
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: Before Arm On membu's at right tackle with The. Jets

1971
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: if The patriots had needed a right, TACKLE i would

1972
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: have been fine with Arm On. Membo but we've seen

1973
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: this team try to move tackles from right to left

1974
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: the last few years and hasn't gone. WELL i was

1975
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: kittish about. That i'm fine with that Armand member being

1976
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: a great right tackle doesn't prove us. Wrong if he

1977
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: ends up getting moved to left and is, great, yeah

1978
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: then we have to eat some. Grow BUT i never

1979
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: had any Doubts Armon member could play right, tackle although

1980
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: some people pointed out in the chatty hasn't been great

1981
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: against the. Run BUT i never had Anything Armond member

1982
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: could play right. Tackle that wasn't the. CONVERSATION Uh anthony

1983
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: asked why Not Carlton davis at the tight end? Position

1984
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 1: we talked about. THAT a couple of people sending in

1985
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: their Favorite patriots. Moments Wes welker ninety nine yards Against

1986
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: miami On Monday night. Football that's a good. One oh

1987
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: Seven patriots beat The. Ravens great, game subject line catch twenty. Two,

1988
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: yeah people are sending in now. Moments Uh gronk Removing

1989
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Sergio brown from the. Club that's a good. One, Ye

1990
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: josh And turner. Falls you guys are the best out

1991
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: there right. Now real. Stuff, Appreciate oh you, do thank.

1992
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: You this is gonna be another guy that's, LIKE i

1993
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: love the show and then comes at. Us SO i have,

1994
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: to ye ununfortionunately kind of go after p, one which Again,

1995
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: NICK i never like to. DO i. APOLOGIZE i just

1996
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: want to clarify.

1997
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 6: That.

1998
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: No josh has a question if The pats only keep

1999
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,560
Speaker 1: three running backs and two tight ends as seven receivers of.

2000
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: POSSIBILITY a lot Of pats beat guys are saying. SEVEN

2001
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: i honestly hope they do keep. Seven If Chisman baker

2002
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: proved they're worth. Keeping we kind of talked about, this

2003
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: so just real, QUICK i think they can keep three

2004
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: tight ends and still keep seven. Receivers if if the

2005
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: third is West over and he's also your. FULLBACK i

2006
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: think he can be three running, backs three tight, ends seven.

2007
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: RECEIVERS i think that's in.

2008
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: Play, YEAH i think that makes.

2009
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 3: SENSE i mean three running backs now With larison out

2010
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 3: of the, mix makes it makes the most sense to.

2011
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 3: ME i don't know if any of these on the

2012
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 3: other running, backs ALTHOUGH i Will Shane, watts Like, loki

2013
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 3: had had a day.

2014
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i heard he got blown up today, though.

2015
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 3: Yeah today today it was the other. Way but it

2016
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 3: wasn't really. Him it was more of the blocking in

2017
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 3: front of. Him but there was one player in particular

2018
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 3: that it was just a bad rep and like three

2019
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 3: vikings just came in on he, did you, know unblocked

2020
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 3: on Poor Shane watts and just put, him you, know

2021
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 3: into the.

2022
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Ground but YESTERDAY i thought that he had showed some juice.

2023
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 3: And like a little bit of, wiggle like almost a

2024
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 3: little bit Of Land, larrison LIKE i can see like

2025
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 3: sort of similar.

2026
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Players it's funny because they go From Land larrison was

2027
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: THE fcs leader in all purpose, yards, right, yeah and

2028
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 1: so they lose, him all, right who's THE d two

2029
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: leader in all purpose? Yards And watch was like. THIRD

2030
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: i think but they did, similar very similar college. Profile riley, Asks, hey,

2031
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 1: fellas do you think it's possible to See Baker baker

2032
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: Overtake hollins's spot in the wide receiver room. Order he's

2033
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: strung some nice days weeks, together but of course we

2034
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: have to see what the. ONES i think the two things.

2035
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: Won there's other players in the way. THERE i Think

2036
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: booty And Kyle williams are in that conversation as. Well and,

2037
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: again as you said, Earlier Evan Javon baker's pushed to the,

2038
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: roster it's not really about what he's doing a wide,

2039
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: Receiver like his potential to develop as a wide receiver's

2040
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: part of, it, Right but he's making the team as a.

2041
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: Gunner like if he wasn't doing what he's doing on special,

2042
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 1: teams you, know maybe we're talking about him for the practice.

2043
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: SQUAD i don't think we are like really disgusting him

2044
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: as this truly rosterble player if he wasn't making the

2045
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: special teams plays he.

2046
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 3: Is, YEAH i, understand AND i understand the take on,

2047
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 3: Maccollins like what is mccollins is a journeyman receiver that

2048
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 3: has really at his best is like a six hundred

2049
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 3: yard you know type of, guy and SO i get

2050
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 3: wanting to give reps to younger guys with the higher.

2051
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 3: Upside LIKE i totally understand the take from a lot of.

2052
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 3: People that being, said all we can, Do alex is

2053
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 3: tell people what is happening at these practices and who

2054
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,440
Speaker 3: are getting the reps with the meetingful, reps uh with

2055
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 3: with the ones and all that good. Stuff and like

2056
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 3: they Mac collins is not McColl's gonna, Play like mc

2057
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 3: collins is gonna have a, role mcallis is gonna. Play

2058
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 3: Mac collins is gonna be involved in this. OFFENSE i

2059
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 3: actually think that he's had some, moments especially in these joint,

2060
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:11,520
Speaker 3: practices where he's looked like one of their more consistent

2061
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 3: threats as a.

2062
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 2: Receiver, TODAY i thought he caught.

2063
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 3: A, little you, know whole shot From Joshua dobbs or

2064
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 3: ref said it was out of, bounds but all of

2065
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 3: us kind of thought it was, inbounds but you, know

2066
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 3: we're not, ref so what do we? Know and you,

2067
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 3: know then yesterday he got behind the defense on that

2068
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 3: busted coverage and had that long.

2069
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 2: Touchdown Like Matt.

2070
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 3: Collins has actually made some plays over the last couple of,

2071
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 3: days and he made a lot of plays against The

2072
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 3: commanders two in that joint practice last.

2073
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 2: Week SO i don't THINK.

2074
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 3: Matc collins is going, anywhere AND i think Mac collins

2075
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: is gonna have a role on this football. Team so

2076
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 3: is there a world where we get to Like, Halloween

2077
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 3: thanksgiving And Kyle williams is all of a sudden like

2078
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 3: the TOP x. Receiver, yeah LIKE i think that's in.

2079
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 3: Play but other than, that, like other Than Kyle, williams

2080
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 3: behind the, scenes continuing to grow and continue continuing to,

2081
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 3: stack you, know positive practices behind the, SCENES i Think

2082
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 3: Matt collins is going to play a.

2083
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Lot so then we have From chris, Mentions, well the

2084
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: subject line IS i just read a score AND i

2085
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be his favorite regular season.

2086
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 1: Moment but he says twenty twenty FIVE Afc Wild card,

2087
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: Game pat's thirty Four steelers. Ten and he, says we're

2088
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 1: going to surprise some people this. YEAR i, mean they

2089
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: beat The steelers thirty four to ten in the wild card.

2090
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: Round they probably had a pretty good season regardless of

2091
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: what happens after that twenty four point winning the. Playoffs

2092
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: so you just sign me up for THAT i had

2093
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: no problem with. That he also. Asks he, says it's

2094
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: exciting that there's so much more competition for roster spots this.

2095
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Year all, right list of? Players do they make the

2096
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: team or?

2097
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 6: Not?

2098
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Ready, Yep i'm. Ready Kendrick, BOURNE i are. INTERESTING i

2099
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: don't you. Know this kills me because you know HOW

2100
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: i feel About Kendrick. Porne now he doesn't look like

2101
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: he's making the tea and he's. HURT i get, that

2102
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: but like you can't make the club from the. Top

2103
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: guys are passing. Him Kendrick, bourne to, me is one

2104
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 1: of the greater wasted potentials of the Modern patriots. Era

2105
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 1: YOU i mean he had that great year in twenty.

2106
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 3: One i'm, SORRY i don't. Mean it's not About Kendrick.

2107
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 3: BOURNE i just LOVE i love the commitment to the.

2108
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 3: TAKE i love.

2109
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: IT i mean will we will never? Know this is my.

2110
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: Point he had a great year twenty. One he gets

2111
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: thrown in the doghouse and The Matt patricia year over

2112
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,959
Speaker 1: stuff he probably should have gotten thrown in the doghouse,

2113
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: for and that whole year was a. Mess comes back

2114
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: in twenty, three starts making. Plays he was good before

2115
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,799
Speaker 1: he got. Hurt remember, that like every time they targeted,

2116
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: him it was a big. Game he was. Good twenty

2117
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: Three bill, O'Brien Bill, obrien twenty, three gets, hurt comes

2118
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 1: back last, year he's coming off the torn acl so

2119
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: he has that recovery. Year and, Look i'll admit he's,

2120
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 1: thirty he's had a knee. Injury it's been it's been

2121
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: four years since that twenty twenty one. Season if they

2122
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: don't just for whatever reason you have a grudge against

2123
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: him in twenty two and he's actually a part of

2124
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,360
Speaker 1: that team now you still have all the stuff With

2125
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Mac jones and. Everything i'm not saying it would have

2126
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: been an eighteen hundred yard. Receiver he could have had

2127
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: a solid career. Here he AND i think he still

2128
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: has like the most catches in the most receiving yards

2129
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: of any wide receiver Post, Brady like he's been their

2130
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: best receiver Post, brady WHICH i know it's not a high,

2131
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: barticlear BUT i remember doing like when we did The

2132
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 1: All Sports up. TEAM i think he's fifth since two

2133
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: thousand and nine on the team in receiving yards or

2134
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 1: catches or something like, that which again maybe is more

2135
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: about the players they've had than. Him he could have

2136
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: had a good career Here and CAN i.

2137
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 3: Say one thing About Kendrick? Borne will take go.

2138
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Ahead so.

2139
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 3: My take On Kendrick bourne is that we both feel

2140
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 3: the same way About Kendrick. Porn maybe he was a

2141
01:40:58,439 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 3: little stronger than, me.

2142
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: BUT, I i, mean you want to talk about real

2143
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: estate on the, ISLAND i have a little more than

2144
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 1: you And Kendrick.

2145
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 3: Bourneland, Yeah Kendrick bourne is AN nfl, receiver right like,

2146
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 3: THAT i feel comfortable saying that he's AN nfl wide.

2147
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 2: Receiver he's a professional, player you, know as a pro.

2148
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 3: Receiver so MY ir take is just, LIKE i don't

2149
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 3: know if there there's playing time for him right now

2150
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 3: Because diggs Pop holland's booty and then you're gonna want

2151
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 3: to try to Get Kyle williams feet way a little bit,

2152
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 3: Too so there's probably not playing time for him right.

2153
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 3: Now but if you place him ON ir designated to

2154
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 3: return on cutdown day and you, know knock on, wood

2155
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 3: but Like god, forbid there's a rash of injuries at wide,

2156
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 3: receiver then you have a guy on injured reserve that's

2157
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 3: AN nfl receiver that can play on.

2158
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 1: Something so you didn't clarify injured reserve designated to. Return,

2159
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 1: yeah LIKE i more, sense that makes a lot more.

2160
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 3: Sense like you can't eat just be like a stash

2161
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 3: player right, now right like, that, YASH i thought you

2162
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 3: meant like injur reserve him now in this.

2163
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 2: Season, No, NO i.

2164
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 3: Mean, like let's, try you, know try to stash him on.

2165
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 3: INJURINES i don't hate, That, YEAH i.

2166
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: Don't, so by the, way, look so the reason THAT

2167
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: i used two thousand and nine is as the cutoff

2168
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: as me And Matt dollff. Did it was supposed to

2169
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: be last year for the fifteenth, anniversary and then too

2170
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 1: much went, on so instead we did it for the sixteenth,

2171
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 1: anniversary which actually was, yesterday was the sixteenth anniversary of

2172
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: the Sports i'm going on the. Air we did The

2173
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: patriots All sports up two thousand and nine and. On

2174
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 1: so keep in mind this is since two thousand and,

2175
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: Nine Kendrick bourne's only been here for four of these,

2176
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: years and he's basically only played two and a half

2177
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,560
Speaker 1: between being in the doghouse in twenty two in THE.

2178
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Acl so since two thousand and, nine receptions among wide

2179
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: receivers isn't. Tight ends wide receivers for The Patriots Julian,

2180
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 1: Edelman Wes, Welker Jacoby, Myers Danny Amandola Kendrick bourne five

2181
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:55,639
Speaker 1: receiving Yards Julian, Edelman Wes, Welker Jacoby, Myers Danny Amandola

2182
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Kendrick bourne. FIVE i think he's a little lower in.

2183
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: Touchdowns he's some Touchdowns Chris hogan And Randy moss jump in,

2184
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: touchdowns even Though moss played like no games in this,

2185
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:10,839
Speaker 1: window Because moss is just, Awesome but like he sneaky

2186
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: had a better career here than people. Think AND i

2187
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: think it could have been better if they had managed

2188
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 1: him right and they. Didn't but that's that's a Whole

2189
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 1: Kendrick borne take from something that was supposed to be

2190
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 1: kind of rapid fire. Exercise so, yeah let's go, Back Kevin,

2191
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 1: BOARD i Are Cole strange.

2192
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 2: Off the.

2193
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: Team Ben brown being the starting left guard today does

2194
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 1: not bode well For Cole. Strange i'm with. You, now

2195
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you, know former first round. Pick they try

2196
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:40,639
Speaker 1: to find a trade, partner BUT i don't think he makes.

2197
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Team Kyle dugger on.

2198
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 3: The, TEAM i think it's the, contract and you, know

2199
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 3: you at least try to play it out and see

2200
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 3: if it's you, know they can get him back on the.

2201
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: Track so part of The Kyle dugger conversation is if

2202
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 1: you move on from who is the backup strong? Safety,

2203
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: right and they can keep an expensive back up If

2204
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: dougger is going to be better than whoever the option,

2205
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: Is i'd rather Keep dougger for the year even if

2206
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: it isn't unless it's going to be a major problem

2207
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: in the locker. Room and there's that, thing, Right but

2208
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: who would you rather have backing it? Back and, Again Jabrill,

2209
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: peppers WHO i like does have some injury. History who

2210
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: would you rather have backing Up Dabrill, Peppers Kyle duggar Del.

2211
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: Pettis so the question.

2212
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,680
Speaker 3: There, though is if you're backing up at safety AND

2213
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 3: i know this is supposed to be wrapping, up and

2214
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 3: we stink at that if you're, back if you're backing up,

2215
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 3: safety like you also are gonna have to play special.

2216
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 1: Team Can Kyle dugger play special?

2217
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 2: Teams honestly you.

2218
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 3: Can't but like If Kyle dugger's issues are like, physical

2219
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 3: like he's like lost.

2220
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 2: His, step you, know like del pettis just on special.

2221
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 3: Teams i'm not Saying delpez a better football player Than Kyle,

2222
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 3: duggar but is there there might be a world where

2223
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 3: he's a better special teamer Than.

2224
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 1: Kyle All, RIGHT i still Think tugger's on the. TEAM

2225
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 1: i Think tuger's on the. Team vaderian low.

2226
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 3: This is an interesting, one probably SOMETHING i could have

2227
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 3: brought up. Earlier, again we're not gonna rap it. This

2228
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 3: this is SOMETHING i can.

2229
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 1: Unpack we got two more calls and there's fifteen minutes.

2230
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: LEFT i think we can get this all.

2231
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 3: In So Vaderian lowe And Marcus bryant were going back

2232
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 3: and forth left, right left right over the last couple

2233
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 3: of days with the second string. Offense So Trade jacobs

2234
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 3: was not getting as many.

2235
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 1: Reps AND i don't think that's a. GUY i don't

2236
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: think it's on the.

2237
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 3: Team so we know That Vadarian Low we've done The

2238
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 3: Vaderian low swing tackle. Thing Vadarian low's a left, tackle

2239
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 3: AND i understand that a lot of people Say Vadarian

2240
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 3: low's left, tackle he's not a very good.

2241
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 2: One, okay, whatever take that piece of it out of.

2242
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 3: It, Right, like we know That Vaderian low is much

2243
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 3: better on the left side than the, Right like the

2244
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 3: pressure rate on the right side when he played the right,

2245
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 3: side AND i think it was twenty three is like

2246
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 3: double the pressure rate he allows in the left.

2247
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 2: Side SO.

2248
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 3: I guess my point is is, like If Marcus bryant

2249
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:57,560
Speaker 3: is good enough to be the top swing, tackle.

2250
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 2: Then Darien lowe on the team.

2251
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 3: As like like the backup will left, Tackle LIKE i, guess.

2252
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 1: Right, right and Then Marcus bryant can just play right

2253
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:11,680
Speaker 1: would probably be.

2254
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 3: Right the question is is, LIKE i guess you know

2255
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 3: you're looking At Will campbell and left, tackle like and

2256
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 3: if you don't feel great About Marcus bryan a rookie

2257
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Replacing Will campbell Will campbell gets, hurt then maybe you

2258
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 3: think That vederian low has a purpose on the roster

2259
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 3: as a pure backup left tackle And Marcus bryant is

2260
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 3: more of a right tackle. BACKUP i GUESS i could

2261
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 3: see them doing that and keeping four and just having

2262
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 3: a backup left in a backup right right and not

2263
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 3: a true swing. Tackle SO i don't. KNOW i don't

2264
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 3: know if we've seen enough About Vaderian low because he's been,

2265
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 3: hurt like it's hard to say maybe he's gotten any

2266
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 3: better or anything like. That BUT i would Say vaderian

2267
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 3: low long way To grandma's. House, THERE i would Say

2268
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 3: Vanderon lowe on the.

2269
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: Team maybe he makes the initial fifty. Three that's a

2270
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: spot WHERE i wonder if maybe they go on waivers

2271
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: and try to find. Somebody so maybe he's on initial

2272
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: fifty three and then they get a waiver claim and

2273
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 1: he's the one that's. Off BUT i STILL i still

2274
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 1: THINK i HAD tbd tackle on my roster. Projection I'm

2275
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm i'm sticking with.

2276
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 5: That.

2277
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 1: Uh and Then Jelinnie, tobai that's so you, hey some

2278
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: TIME i did. THAT i nailed, it by the, way

2279
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: so deal with. It, jilanievai same plan As Kendrick, bourne all,

2280
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: right but if he's, HEALTHY i think he's on.

2281
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 3: The team if he's, healthy and there's no ir path for.

2282
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 3: Him but WHEN i look at their, defense even like

2283
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 3: more so Than, Duggar Avony jennings And Jelani tava are

2284
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 3: the two guys THAT i just it's just a they

2285
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 3: look like they don't belong in terms of the scheme.

2286
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,560
Speaker 2: Fit they just like.

2287
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: Own so the difference to me is before he got,

2288
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: hurt TO i was getting run in practice like he

2289
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: was out there With, SPLAINE i think he's. NOT i

2290
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: think they do have a role in My it might

2291
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 1: not be a significant, role or it might include special,

2292
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: teams but LIKE i think he's on the.

2293
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 2: Team, YEAH i can see. THAT i JUST i guess

2294
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:08,759
Speaker 2: with tav.

2295
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 3: He played that they used to call, IT i think

2296
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 3: the fixer or something like. That like he played a

2297
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 3: very specific role in The belichick, defense not last year

2298
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 3: because Of bentley's, injury but two years ago when he was.

2299
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 3: Good he plays such a specific role in the, defense

2300
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 3: and that was a role that he was good at

2301
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 3: when used. Correctly AND i just don't know if that

2302
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 3: role exists. ANYMORE i think what they want to do

2303
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 3: is like how Does splaine be like a true mic

2304
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 3: and then have like a will that flies, around you,

2305
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 3: know playing off the. Splane AND i just don't know

2306
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 3: if that's To. Vie Maybe devi's the Backup, mike but

2307
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 3: we saw now that went last. Year LIKE i feel

2308
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 3: Like Jack gibbons is probably a better backup disployne.

2309
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: Real quick that those are the players in the email

2310
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: also MENTIONED i think The brady statue is. AWESOME i

2311
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 1: think they did a great. JOB i very much enjoyed.

2312
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: IT i will, say if you are planning on go seeing,

2313
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: it try to go see it at. Night it's even

2314
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 1: cooler at. Night that was my one big. Takeaway and

2315
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 1: it's not too. Small it's wearing shoulder. Pads that's why

2316
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 1: it looks like. That look at his head and look

2317
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: at his bicep like it's it's the shoulder pads make

2318
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: at first, glance the shoulder pads make it look, small

2319
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,800
Speaker 1: but like he's wearing shoulder. Pads it's a football. Uniform

2320
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 1: that's why it looks like.

2321
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 3: That so really quickly on The brady, statue because you

2322
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 3: AND i were there for the statue unveiling AND i got.

2323
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 3: It we BOTH i don't want to speak for, you

2324
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 3: but like we both came away with that like feeling

2325
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 3: like we went through like a religious.

2326
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 1: EXPERIENCE i didn't think it was going to be Like

2327
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Dwayne way level, bad BUT i it vastly exceeded my.

2328
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 3: Expectations AND i think that part of it, was you,

2329
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 3: know the ceremony was really.

2330
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: Cool ceremony was.

2331
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 3: Great there was tons of people there in terms of,

2332
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 3: fans but there was also a lot of really cool

2333
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 3: alumni that were there as, Well so that was a

2334
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 3: big piece of. IT i don't want to hear like

2335
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 3: any and this is not team employee speaking like this

2336
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 3: is truly from the, heart LIKE i don't want to

2337
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 3: hear any criticism of that.

2338
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 2: Statue that statue is. Sick like go.

2339
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 3: See it in person and go look at he is

2340
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 3: seventeen feet. Tall and the detail that's on the, statue

2341
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 3: like the from the cleats in the knee brace and

2342
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 3: the quarterback.

2343
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 2: Playbook you know arm.

2344
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 3: Pady, black you know the, EyeBlack the helmet.

2345
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:27,720
Speaker 1: That you have to get up close to see, This

2346
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 1: like some people mentioned that this is something THAT i

2347
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 1: like to do with the. Statue some people mention you

2348
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: can't really see the jersey numbers because of the way

2349
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 1: they carved. It when you go in, person you can see.

2350
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 1: It it's very. Clear it maybe doesn't. Photograph it doesn't

2351
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 1: come across as detailed in, photographs BUT i think they

2352
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 1: didn't make it to be. Photographed they made it to

2353
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 1: be seen in. PERSON i would rather more effort be

2354
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: put into what does this look like when you're standing

2355
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: in front of, it compared to what is it going

2356
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: to look like in. Pictures the.

2357
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 3: POSE i had concerns about the pose because it's not

2358
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 3: an Iconic brady, pose but he's so it's so, Huge,

2359
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 3: yeah and he's so tall that the fist in the,

2360
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 3: air it's it's a very powerful. Pose and what it

2361
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 3: does is like he was a larger than life figure

2362
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 3: IN nfl sports, history and the pose and the height

2363
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,480
Speaker 3: in the in the just sheer size of the statue

2364
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,160
Speaker 3: and makes it larger than.

2365
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 2: Life and That's Tom brady like he. Was he is

2366
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 2: larger than.

2367
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 1: Life all, Right let's let's go to these calls real

2368
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 1: quick before we wrap it. Up maniche In New York,

2369
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: city what's going? On niche? THERE i left him on

2370
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: hold for a. While put him on, Hold try to

2371
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 1: get him back if you, can get back to your.

2372
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 1: Phone get back to your. Phone we'll take after. This

2373
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: when we got to go TO i Know eldridge is, there, Right.

2374
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: Eldred we all do nothing From? Eldred all, right say

2375
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 1: we'll TRY i get on in a. Second what are

2376
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: you Looking we already kind of did. It we did

2377
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 1: it for the. Offense we didn't do it for the.

2378
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: Defense what are you looking for from the? Defense saturday In?

2379
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 2: Minnesota, yeah you.

2380
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 3: Know a lot of things that they harped on, defensively

2381
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 3: up coming off that.

2382
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 2: Game ray bol did was.

2383
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 3: Tackling you, know he mentioned tackling like multiple times when

2384
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 3: he was talking about the, defense and they don't tackle

2385
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 3: to the ground in, practice so it stands to reason

2386
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 3: that they're gonna be a little bit sloppy tackling for

2387
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 3: the first time in a preseason. Game so that's another

2388
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,879
Speaker 3: reason WHY i think that maybe some of the defensive

2389
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 3: starters will, play is because they're not gonna live tackle

2390
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 3: to the ground in, camp so like they're gonna have

2391
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 3: To they're gonna have to get some tackling, reps you,

2392
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 3: know live tackling under their, belt and the only way

2393
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 3: to really do that is to have them play in

2394
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 3: the game if they're not gonna tackle in. Practice so

2395
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 3: that's WHY i wonder if some of those guys are gonna.

2396
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 3: Play it was good to See Carlton davis back out.

2397
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 3: THERE i don't think we'll see him On. Saturday he

2398
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,800
Speaker 3: might be one of the few guys kind of like

2399
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 3: last week where you, know a few veterans here and

2400
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 3: there were held out out of the, game but he

2401
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 3: practiced both.

2402
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 2: Days he was out there fully.

2403
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:09,520
Speaker 3: Participating he had a really funny press conference here yesterday

2404
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 3: where like reporters kept on trying to ask him injury

2405
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 3: questions about himself in different. Ways he just like kept

2406
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 3: on being, Like i'm not going, there you, know like

2407
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,000
Speaker 3: he just kept on making jokes about how we were

2408
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,599
Speaker 3: trying to trap him into talking about what's going.

2409
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 2: On he did admit that there was something physical.

2410
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 3: Going, on but he felt, like you, know if they

2411
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 3: were playing an actual game On, sunday he would be out,

2412
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 3: there but this time of, year it's just more about managing.

2413
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 3: It SO i would harp bono at the defense and

2414
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 3: just stick with What rabel's been saying to, us which

2415
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 3: is just. Tackling you, know they have to be better at,

2416
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:47,679
Speaker 3: tackling and the only way to get better at tackling

2417
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 3: is to practice.

2418
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 2: Tackling and got to do that in the.

2419
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:56,679
Speaker 1: Preseason sous one more time aniche he, there who going,

2420
01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:02,719
Speaker 1: once going? Twice, Nope eldrid going once going.

2421
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 2: Twice that's, tough, Tough that's.

2422
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah LIKE i keep leaving people on hold for that,

2423
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 1: long but that's just what happens on the. SHOW i

2424
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: do have one more email Here rio In. TEXAS i

2425
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 1: want to talk about the future of The. Patriots three

2426
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 1: most important players for this upcoming. Season he Says Drake

2427
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 1: may's number, One Will campbell's number. Two says he thinks

2428
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 1: most people would. Agree, yeah that's. Fair so he has

2429
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: an interesting pick for three there for three, Here Kiris.

2430
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:30,680
Speaker 1: Tonga there's no one else on the team that can

2431
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 1: fill his role as a run stuffing nose tackle with

2432
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 1: some juice in the pass. Rush if he goes, down

2433
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: we could see the run defense falter for a second straight.

2434
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 1: Year so my mind instantly goes To Christian. Sales but

2435
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: to his, point, like, look if they Lose Christian, salz

2436
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: that's a major, blow but you Have Carlton. Davis like

2437
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: the drop off From Carlton davis From Christian zauce To

2438
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: Carlton davis maybe isn't as big as the drop off

2439
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: From Kiris tonga To Jeremiah. FARMS i guess it would

2440
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: be probably the, role, Right SO i still probably Go

2441
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 1: gonzales BECAUSE i just think a lockdown corner is that.

2442
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 1: Important but SO I i would GO i might even

2443
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: Go May Gonzalez campbell BECAUSE i Think may can maybe

2444
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 1: do some things where if the pass protection isn't, perfect

2445
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 1: he can still make. Plays whereas if you Lose, GONZALES

2446
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 1: i think you're gonna lose the ability to do some

2447
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: things you want to do, defensively not, everything but some.

2448
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Things but they do in theory have a replacement For Christian.

2449
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Gonzalez nobody can really replace, him but like there's a

2450
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 1: clear next man. Up they don't really have that With,

2451
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 1: Tonga SO i don't know THAT i have him at.

2452
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 1: Three he probably would be higher on my list than

2453
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 1: most people would think in terms of the most important,

2454
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 1: players especially after the camp he's. Had but it's a

2455
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 1: it's a good point By Rio.

2456
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 2: Evan so is this a long term look or are

2457
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 2: we just talking about?

2458
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:47,879
Speaker 1: It so he says for this upcoming.

2459
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 3: Season so to, me it's Made Campbell Stefon diggs, like

2460
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 3: it's a good. ONE i just for twenty twenty, Five

2461
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:00,120
Speaker 3: Like Safon diggs is not a long term thing. Necessarily

2462
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 3: but it's not just you, know we've done this. Before

2463
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 3: it's not just The Stefan diggs. Himself it's also the

2464
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,760
Speaker 3: hierarchy of the wide receiver room and like how the

2465
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 3: pressure that that puts on guys like Uh Pop douglas

2466
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 3: And Kashawan boody And Kyle, williams like If Sefon diggs

2467
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 3: were to get hurt in this serious, time like we're

2468
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 3: kind of back where we were last year with this

2469
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 3: wide receiver, Room like you have a rookie that you're

2470
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 3: hopeful is going to play, well and you have some

2471
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 3: other younger players that are, promising but you have no,

2472
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 3: Dude like you have no established veteran star. Receiver SO

2473
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 3: i Think diggs is is hugely. IMPORTANT i know that's

2474
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 3: three guys in all on offense and there's no, defense

2475
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 3: and that does feel, weird BUT i would Say diggs

2476
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 3: has got to be in that.

2477
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 1: Game your fantasy. Football, no it's, Fair diggs is up.

2478
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 1: THERE I I i just think with With, POP i

2479
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 1: have faith In Kyle. Williams we talked about What raebel

2480
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 1: said about him, Today LIKE i don't think you're all

2481
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 1: the way back to last. YEAR i also just think

2482
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Like diggs isn't one hundred percent right.

2483
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:07,800
Speaker 1: Away we they there's probably plans in place For diggs

2484
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 1: to get off to a slow. START i would hope not,

2485
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 1: That like not That i'm betting on, it but it's

2486
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: a guy coming off in acl is thirty one years.

2487
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Old LIKE i don't, know do you know What i'm, Saying,

2488
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't mean. It i'm not trying to SAY

2489
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: i don't Think diggs is gonna do. WELL i just

2490
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: think the contingency plan for Losing diggs is stronger than

2491
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 1: the contingency plan for Losing.

2492
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 2: GONZALES i, GUESS i just you. THINK i don't.

2493
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i, guess, WELL i guess With Carlton davis's injury,

2494
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: history MAYBE i don't.

2495
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 3: KNOW i just look at the wide receiver room always

2496
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 3: is that, hierarchy that pecking order of like do you

2497
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 3: have a coverage dictating? Receiver do you not have a dictating? Receiver,

2498
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 3: well the only guy that's gonna that has that potential

2499
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 3: to be truly a coverage dictating receiver.

2500
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 1: Is So diggs has that, potential but he's thirty, one

2501
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 1: he's coming off TORN Acl gonzalz is coming off In

2502
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: All pro, Season and that's kind of What i'm going off, Of, like, yeah,

2503
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: YEAH i think There's diggs has the potential to be,

2504
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 1: three but there's more variance with. HIM i feel very

2505
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: comfortable knowing What i'm getting From.

2506
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 2: Christiannzales yeah that's, fair all?

2507
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 1: Right that that'll do it for this episode To catch twenty.

2508
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: Two thanks everybody for tuning. In we will be back next.

2509
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Week what day next? Week because They, thursday SO.

2510
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 2: I just thought of.

2511
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 3: That the game Is, thursday so we can't Do, thursday

2512
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 3: so we'll probably end up Doing.

2513
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 2: Wednesday are they practicing On?

2514
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 3: TUESDAY i believe, so but there will you, know there

2515
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 3: obviously is no practice On, wednesday the day before the,

2516
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 3: game So i'm just On.

2517
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 1: Tuesday But i'm also traveling On. WEDNESDAY i forgot it to.

2518
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 2: Road so, well we have to figure this.

2519
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 1: Out, yeah this is what we do On Patriots beat,

2520
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 1: Now like the last five minutes of every show is

2521
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 1: planning the next.

2522
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 2: Show, yeah Maybe.

2523
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 1: TUESDAY i actually might not be able to Do wednesday,

2524
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 1: Either so.

2525
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 2: Oh you, got you? Got you're in the big.

2526
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 1: Chair NO i. AM i am calling The old time

2527
01:58:57,720 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 1: baseball game For Steve buckley.

2528
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:00,600
Speaker 2: Again, no there you.

2529
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 1: GO i know it's a. THING i look forward to,

2530
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: it but DA's unless we do in the. MORNING i

2531
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 1: don't know If i'd be able to do, that so Probably.

2532
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 1: Tuesday follow us On, twitter subscribe you know the. Drill

2533
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 1: you'll be notified when it's. Happening evan's usually better at

2534
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: tweeting it out than. Me so until the next one

2535
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:16,520
Speaker 1: For alex finding The glass For Evan, Lazara Alex, bart

2536
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:20,040
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in and we will talk to you next. Time. Bye,

2537
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 1: hey this Is. Deuce thanks for tuning into the. Show

2538
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:26,720
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2540
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2541
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2542
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:35,960
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2543
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